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Re: vo speaking a different language

2021-01-05 Thread Lorie McCloud

well, I've had a lot of trouble with that page in standard mode or I wouldjn't 
have bothered with screen reader mode.

> On Jan 5, 2021, at 5:23 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> ∥That is weird. Also, I generally find that screen reader modes on web pages 
> are less cessable than the standard page.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 5, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Sounds like your VoiceOver Voice is set to Automatically Select based on 
>> Language.
>> You can change this by going to, VO + CMD + Shift, and pressing any arrow 
>> key, to open the Voice adjustment menu.  Then use left or right arrow to 
>> select Voice, then down arrow to change voice selection.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 5, 2021, at 14:35, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I just had the strangest experience ever! on the site for my apartment 
>> complex I went up to submit a service request. it said "press option 1 to 
>> enter screen reader mode." so I did that whereupon vo began to speak French 
>> or at least that's what it sounds like. I could understand if it was 
>> Spanish. this is Texas after all all the links were in that language. it 
>> read other things in the Alex voice. any idea what would make that happen? I 
>> didn't see any language choices although I suppose there could have been 
>> some.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: vo speaking a different language

2021-01-05 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn

∥That is weird. Also, I generally find that screen reader modes on web pages 
are less cessable than the standard page.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 5, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like your VoiceOver Voice is set to Automatically Select based on 
> Language.
> You can change this by going to, VO + CMD + Shift, and pressing any arrow 
> key, to open the Voice adjustment menu.  Then use left or right arrow to 
> select Voice, then down arrow to change voice selection.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jan 5, 2021, at 14:35, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I just had the strangest experience ever! on the site for my apartment 
> complex I went up to submit a service request. it said "press option 1 to 
> enter screen reader mode." so I did that whereupon vo began to speak French 
> or at least that's what it sounds like. I could understand if it was Spanish. 
> this is Texas after all all the links were in that language. it read other 
> things in the Alex voice. any idea what would make that happen? I didn't see 
> any language choices although I suppose there could have been some.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: vo speaking a different language

2021-01-05 Thread Brad Snyder

Sounds like your VoiceOver Voice is set to Automatically Select based on 
Language.
You can change this by going to, VO + CMD + Shift, and pressing any arrow key, 
to open the Voice adjustment menu.  Then use left or right arrow to select 
Voice, then down arrow to change voice selection.

HTH.

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On Jan 5, 2021, at 14:35, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I just had the strangest experience ever! on the site for my apartment complex 
I went up to submit a service request. it said "press option 1 to enter screen 
reader mode." so I did that whereupon vo began to speak French or at least 
that's what it sounds like. I could understand if it was Spanish. this is Texas 
after all all the links were in that language. it read other things in the Alex 
voice. any idea what would make that happen? I didn't see any language choices 
although I suppose there could have been some.

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Notes on Access to Login Applications Table

2021-01-05 Thread Steve Matzura


Time for a bug report?


On 1/5/2021 2:02 PM, John Panarese wrote:
  Yes, the shortcut works, but VO doesn’t indicate that the command 
changes the view for some reason.



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On Jan 5, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Brad Snyder > wrote:


Shortcut keys work to select view options just like in a regular 
Finder window.


- Brad -


On Jan 5, 2021, at 10:32, Dave Carlson > wrote:


What about the shortcut Command+3 to use column view?

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On Jan 5, 2021, at 6:59 AM, John Panarese > wrote:


I just went through your steps. I can switch to column view by way of 
a popup menu. It will show the current view being used such as icon, 
but if you VO-space on it and then VO-down arrow, you can change it 
to columns.


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On Jan 5, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Steve Matzura > wrote:


I finally got around to adding the three applications I like to have 
running as soon as my machine starts--Clock Chimes, VOCR, and 
SoundNotes. I opened System Preferences and immediately went to the 
Users and Groups button, then to the login applications table, 
unlocked it by clicking the lock button and entering the login 
password for my account, and pressed the Add button. What's supposed 
to happen next is you're supposed to find the application you want 
to add to this table in the usual manner--navigate to it--and press 
a second Add button. That's the way it worked in everything up to at 
least Mojave, as I remember. Now, in Big Sur, when you get to the 
point where you are to choose the application to add, it's no longer 
shown in a list or column view; it's now shown as an icon collection 
in column view, and I could not figure a way to change it. Moving 
through it with arrow keys does not speak the newly focused item. 
The only way I could figure to actually hear the thing on which the 
system was focused was to press VO-Down Arrow. Once I found what I 
wanted to add (after having to press a Back button to get to the top 
level of the Applications folder first), the rest was nicely 
accessible-TAB to and activate the second Add button. Has anyone 
else encountered this, and if so, how did you get around it? In 
particular, how did you change the icon collection view from column 
to list?


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Re: Notes on Access to Login Applications Table

2021-01-05 Thread Steve Matzura


That was the first thing I tried. Nothing happened.


On 1/5/2021 10:32 AM, Brad Snyder wrote:
What about using CMD + 3, to change to Column view, or CMD + 2, to 
change to List view?


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On Jan 5, 2021, at 08:59, John Panarese > wrote:


 I just went through your steps. I can switch to column view by way of 
a popup menu. It will show the current view being used such as icon, 
but if you VO-space on it and then VO-down arrow, you can change it to 
columns.


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On Jan 5, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Steve Matzura > wrote:


I finally got around to adding the three applications I like to have 
running as soon as my machine starts--Clock Chimes, VOCR, and 
SoundNotes. I opened System Preferences and immediately went to the 
Users and Groups button, then to the login applications table, 
unlocked it by clicking the lock button and entering the login 
password for my account, and pressed the Add button. What's supposed 
to happen next is you're supposed to find the application you want to 
add to this table in the usual manner--navigate to it--and press a 
second Add button. That's the way it worked in everything up to at 
least Mojave, as I remember. Now, in Big Sur, when you get to the 
point where you are to choose the application to add, it's no longer 
shown in a list or column view; it's now shown as an icon collection 
in column view, and I could not figure a way to change it. Moving 
through it with arrow keys does not speak the newly focused item. The 
only way I could figure to actually hear the thing on which the 
system was focused was to press VO-Down Arrow. Once I found what I 
wanted to add (after having to press a Back button to get to the top 
level of the Applications folder first), the rest was nicely 
accessible-TAB to and activate the second Add button. Has anyone else 
encountered this, and if so, how did you get around it? In 
particular, how did you change the icon collection view from column 
to list?


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vo speaking a different language

2021-01-05 Thread Lorie McCloud

I just had the strangest experience ever! on the site for my apartment complex 
I went up to submit a service request. it said "press option 1 to enter screen 
reader mode." so I did that whereupon vo began to speak French or at least 
that's what it sounds like. I could understand if it was Spanish. this is Texas 
after all all the links were in that language. it read other things in the Alex 
voice. any idea what would make that happen? I didn't see any language choices 
although I suppose there could have been some.

thanks.
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Re: Can't turn off the screen curtain on iPhone

2021-01-05 Thread Jason Judy

I also tried the bluetooth keyboard. F11 or VO + shift + s will not disable the 
screen curtain.

I was able to disable the screen curtain using a braille device. But right now, 
I'm concerned that the iPhone will not response to three finger gestures - i.e. 
toggle speech, screen curtain, etc.

I may consider having the iPhone reformatted if the issue is not resolved.

Sent from Jace's iPhone

> On Jan 5, 2021, at 7:31 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
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> Do you have a Bluetooth keyboard? F11 is a toggle fort curtain. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 4, 2021, at 10:11 PM, Jason Judy  wrote:
>> 
>> Nothing changed after I turned off and back on VoiceOver. So far VoiceOver 
>> would speak the row and column number if I tried any gesture with three 
>> fingers. In the editing mode, it would announce what the font size is set at.
>> 
>> Jace
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Jace's iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:44 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
> On 1/4/21 4:58 PM, Jason Judy wrote:
 The screen curtain on the iPhone apparently was turned on after the 
 software update. It will not turn the screen curtain off after performing 
 the triple tap with three fingers gesture.
>>> 
>>> What happens if you turn off VoiceOver, then re-enable it?
>>> 
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Re: Notes on Access to Login Applications Table

2021-01-05 Thread Brad Snyder

Also my experience.

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On Jan 5, 2021, at 13:02, John Panarese  wrote:

  Yes, the shortcut works, but VO doesn’t indicate that the command changes the 
view for some reason.


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> On Jan 5, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> Shortcut keys work to select view options just like in a regular Finder 
> window.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jan 5, 2021, at 10:32, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
> 
> What about the shortcut Command+3 to use column view?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Oregonian, Pioneer, Musician, Engineer, and Farfar
> 
> On Jan 5, 2021, at 6:59 AM, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
> I just went through your steps. I can switch to column view by way of a popup 
> menu. It will show the current view being used such as icon, but if you 
> VO-space on it and then VO-down arrow, you can change it to columns.
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
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>> On Jan 5, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Steve Matzura > > wrote:
>> 
>> I finally got around to adding the three applications I like to have running 
>> as soon as my machine starts--Clock Chimes, VOCR, and SoundNotes. I opened 
>> System Preferences and immediately went to the Users and Groups button, then 
>> to the login applications table, unlocked it by clicking the lock button and 
>> entering the login password for my account, and pressed the Add button. 
>> What's supposed to happen next is you're supposed to find the application 
>> you want to add to this table in the usual manner--navigate to it--and press 
>> a second Add button. That's the way it worked in everything up to at least 
>> Mojave, as I remember. Now, in Big Sur, when you get to the point where you 
>> are to choose the application to add, it's no longer shown in a list or 
>> column view; it's now shown as an icon collection in column view, and I 
>> could not figure a way to change it. Moving through it with arrow keys does 
>> not speak the newly focused item. The only way I could figure to actually 
>> hear the thing on which the system was focused was to press VO-Down Arrow. 
>> Once I found what I wanted to add (after having to press a Back button to 
>> get to the top level of the Applications folder first), the rest was nicely 
>> accessible-TAB to and activate the second Add button. Has anyone else 
>> encountered this, and if so, how did you get around it? In particular, how 
>> did you change the icon collection view from column to list?
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Re: Notes on Access to Login Applications Table

2021-01-05 Thread John Panarese

  Yes, the shortcut works, but VO doesn’t indicate that the command changes the 
view for some reason.


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> On Jan 5, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Shortcut keys work to select view options just like in a regular Finder 
> window.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jan 5, 2021, at 10:32, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
> 
> What about the shortcut Command+3 to use column view?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Oregonian, Pioneer, Musician, Engineer, and Farfar
> 
> On Jan 5, 2021, at 6:59 AM, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
> I just went through your steps. I can switch to column view by way of a popup 
> menu. It will show the current view being used such as icon, but if you 
> VO-space on it and then VO-down arrow, you can change it to columns.
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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>> On Jan 5, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Steve Matzura > > wrote:
>> 
>> I finally got around to adding the three applications I like to have running 
>> as soon as my machine starts--Clock Chimes, VOCR, and SoundNotes. I opened 
>> System Preferences and immediately went to the Users and Groups button, then 
>> to the login applications table, unlocked it by clicking the lock button and 
>> entering the login password for my account, and pressed the Add button. 
>> What's supposed to happen next is you're supposed to find the application 
>> you want to add to this table in the usual manner--navigate to it--and press 
>> a second Add button. That's the way it worked in everything up to at least 
>> Mojave, as I remember. Now, in Big Sur, when you get to the point where you 
>> are to choose the application to add, it's no longer shown in a list or 
>> column view; it's now shown as an icon collection in column view, and I 
>> could not figure a way to change it. Moving through it with arrow keys does 
>> not speak the newly focused item. The only way I could figure to actually 
>> hear the thing on which the system was focused was to press VO-Down Arrow. 
>> Once I found what I wanted to add (after having to press a Back button to 
>> get to the top level of the Applications folder first), the rest was nicely 
>> accessible-TAB to and activate the second Add button. Has anyone else 
>> encountered this, and if so, how did you get around it? In particular, how 
>> did you change the icon collection view from column to list?
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Re: Notes on Access to Login Applications Table

2021-01-05 Thread Brad Snyder

Shortcut keys work to select view options just like in a regular Finder window.

- Brad -


On Jan 5, 2021, at 10:32, Dave Carlson  wrote:

What about the shortcut Command+3 to use column view?

Dave Carlson
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On Jan 5, 2021, at 6:59 AM, John Panarese  wrote:

I just went through your steps. I can switch to column view by way of a popup 
menu. It will show the current view being used such as icon, but if you 
VO-space on it and then VO-down arrow, you can change it to columns.

Take Care

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> On Jan 5, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> I finally got around to adding the three applications I like to have running 
> as soon as my machine starts--Clock Chimes, VOCR, and SoundNotes. I opened 
> System Preferences and immediately went to the Users and Groups button, then 
> to the login applications table, unlocked it by clicking the lock button and 
> entering the login password for my account, and pressed the Add button. 
> What's supposed to happen next is you're supposed to find the application you 
> want to add to this table in the usual manner--navigate to it--and press a 
> second Add button. That's the way it worked in everything up to at least 
> Mojave, as I remember. Now, in Big Sur, when you get to the point where you 
> are to choose the application to add, it's no longer shown in a list or 
> column view; it's now shown as an icon collection in column view, and I could 
> not figure a way to change it. Moving through it with arrow keys does not 
> speak the newly focused item. The only way I could figure to actually hear 
> the thing on which the system was focused was to press VO-Down Arrow. Once I 
> found what I wanted to add (after having to press a Back button to get to the 
> top level of the Applications folder first), the rest was nicely 
> accessible-TAB to and activate the second Add button. Has anyone else 
> encountered this, and if so, how did you get around it? In particular, how 
> did you change the icon collection view from column to list?
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Re: Is mail chimp accessible?

2021-01-05 Thread Caitlyn Furness

I suggest convert kit versus mail chimp.  I had massive problems with mail 
chimp from the marketing side.

HTH,
Cait


> On Jan 5, 2021, at 7:52 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> Accessible for whom? The recipient of emails sent by mailchimphas a
> better chance of recieving an accessible message than with some other
> mass marketing email platforms. At least Mailchimp tries to actively
> encourage its users to support accessibility in their messages as per
> this style guide:
> 
> https://styleguide.mailchimp.com/writing-for-accessibility/
> 
> 
> Or, do you mean for the mailchimp account administrator? Or some other
> role in the process?
> 
> Best,
> 
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>> 
>> Does anyone have info about mail chimp and voiceover accessibility?
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Jean
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Re: Notes on Access to Login Applications Table

2021-01-05 Thread Dave Carlson

What about the shortcut Command+3 to use column view?

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On Jan 5, 2021, at 6:59 AM, John Panarese  wrote:

 I just went through your steps. I can switch to column view by way of a popup 
menu. It will show the current view being used such as icon, but if you 
VO-space on it and then VO-down arrow, you can change it to columns.

Take Care

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> On Jan 5, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> I finally got around to adding the three applications I like to have running 
> as soon as my machine starts--Clock Chimes, VOCR, and SoundNotes. I opened 
> System Preferences and immediately went to the Users and Groups button, then 
> to the login applications table, unlocked it by clicking the lock button and 
> entering the login password for my account, and pressed the Add button. 
> What's supposed to happen next is you're supposed to find the application you 
> want to add to this table in the usual manner--navigate to it--and press a 
> second Add button. That's the way it worked in everything up to at least 
> Mojave, as I remember. Now, in Big Sur, when you get to the point where you 
> are to choose the application to add, it's no longer shown in a list or 
> column view; it's now shown as an icon collection in column view, and I could 
> not figure a way to change it. Moving through it with arrow keys does not 
> speak the newly focused item. The only way I could figure to actually hear 
> the thing on which the system was focused was to press VO-Down Arrow. Once I 
> found what I wanted to add (after having to press a Back button to get to the 
> top level of the Applications folder first), the rest was nicely 
> accessible-TAB to and activate the second Add button. Has anyone else 
> encountered this, and if so, how did you get around it? In particular, how 
> did you change the icon collection view from column to list?
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Re: Notes on Access to Login Applications Table

2021-01-05 Thread Brad Snyder

What about using CMD + 3, to change to Column view, or CMD + 2, to change to 
List view?

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On Jan 5, 2021, at 08:59, John Panarese  wrote:

 I just went through your steps. I can switch to column view by way of a popup 
menu. It will show the current view being used such as icon, but if you 
VO-space on it and then VO-down arrow, you can change it to columns.

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> On Jan 5, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> I finally got around to adding the three applications I like to have running 
> as soon as my machine starts--Clock Chimes, VOCR, and SoundNotes. I opened 
> System Preferences and immediately went to the Users and Groups button, then 
> to the login applications table, unlocked it by clicking the lock button and 
> entering the login password for my account, and pressed the Add button. 
> What's supposed to happen next is you're supposed to find the application you 
> want to add to this table in the usual manner--navigate to it--and press a 
> second Add button. That's the way it worked in everything up to at least 
> Mojave, as I remember. Now, in Big Sur, when you get to the point where you 
> are to choose the application to add, it's no longer shown in a list or 
> column view; it's now shown as an icon collection in column view, and I could 
> not figure a way to change it. Moving through it with arrow keys does not 
> speak the newly focused item. The only way I could figure to actually hear 
> the thing on which the system was focused was to press VO-Down Arrow. Once I 
> found what I wanted to add (after having to press a Back button to get to the 
> top level of the Applications folder first), the rest was nicely 
> accessible-TAB to and activate the second Add button. Has anyone else 
> encountered this, and if so, how did you get around it? In particular, how 
> did you change the icon collection view from column to list?
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Re: Notes on Access to Login Applications Table

2021-01-05 Thread Steve Matzura

Thanks, John. How did you access that pop-up menu? I didn't find any 
such controls there.



On 1/5/2021 9:59 AM, John Panarese wrote:

   I just went through your steps. I can switch to column view by way of a 
popup menu. It will show the current view being used such as icon, but if you 
VO-space on it and then VO-down arrow, you can change it to columns.

Take Care

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On Jan 5, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

I finally got around to adding the three applications I like to have running as 
soon as my machine starts--Clock Chimes, VOCR, and SoundNotes. I opened System 
Preferences and immediately went to the Users and Groups button, then to the 
login applications table, unlocked it by clicking the lock button and entering 
the login password for my account, and pressed the Add button. What's supposed 
to happen next is you're supposed to find the application you want to add to 
this table in the usual manner--navigate to it--and press a second Add button. 
That's the way it worked in everything up to at least Mojave, as I remember. 
Now, in Big Sur, when you get to the point where you are to choose the 
application to add, it's no longer shown in a list or column view; it's now 
shown as an icon collection in column view, and I could not figure a way to 
change it. Moving through it with arrow keys does not speak the newly focused 
item. The only way I could figure to actually hear the thing on which the 
system was focused was to press VO-Down Arrow. Once I found what I wanted to 
add (after having to press a Back button to get to the top level of the 
Applications folder first), the rest was nicely accessible-TAB to and activate 
the second Add button. Has anyone else encountered this, and if so, how did you 
get around it? In particular, how did you change the icon collection view from 
column to list?

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Re: Notes on Access to Login Applications Table

2021-01-05 Thread John Panarese

  I just went through your steps. I can switch to column view by way of a popup 
menu. It will show the current view being used such as icon, but if you 
VO-space on it and then VO-down arrow, you can change it to columns.

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> On Jan 5, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> I finally got around to adding the three applications I like to have running 
> as soon as my machine starts--Clock Chimes, VOCR, and SoundNotes. I opened 
> System Preferences and immediately went to the Users and Groups button, then 
> to the login applications table, unlocked it by clicking the lock button and 
> entering the login password for my account, and pressed the Add button. 
> What's supposed to happen next is you're supposed to find the application you 
> want to add to this table in the usual manner--navigate to it--and press a 
> second Add button. That's the way it worked in everything up to at least 
> Mojave, as I remember. Now, in Big Sur, when you get to the point where you 
> are to choose the application to add, it's no longer shown in a list or 
> column view; it's now shown as an icon collection in column view, and I could 
> not figure a way to change it. Moving through it with arrow keys does not 
> speak the newly focused item. The only way I could figure to actually hear 
> the thing on which the system was focused was to press VO-Down Arrow. Once I 
> found what I wanted to add (after having to press a Back button to get to the 
> top level of the Applications folder first), the rest was nicely 
> accessible-TAB to and activate the second Add button. Has anyone else 
> encountered this, and if so, how did you get around it? In particular, how 
> did you change the icon collection view from column to list?
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Notes on Access to Login Applications Table

2021-01-05 Thread Steve Matzura

I finally got around to adding the three applications I like to have 
running as soon as my machine starts--Clock Chimes, VOCR, and 
SoundNotes. I opened System Preferences and immediately went to the 
Users and Groups button, then to the login applications table, unlocked 
it by clicking the lock button and entering the login password for my 
account, and pressed the Add button. What's supposed to happen next is 
you're supposed to find the application you want to add to this table in 
the usual manner--navigate to it--and press a second Add button. That's 
the way it worked in everything up to at least Mojave, as I remember. 
Now, in Big Sur, when you get to the point where you are to choose the 
application to add, it's no longer shown in a list or column view; it's 
now shown as an icon collection in column view, and I could not figure a 
way to change it. Moving through it with arrow keys does not speak the 
newly focused item. The only way I could figure to actually hear the 
thing on which the system was focused was to press VO-Down Arrow. Once I 
found what I wanted to add (after having to press a Back button to get 
to the top level of the Applications folder first), the rest was nicely 
accessible-TAB to and activate the second Add button. Has anyone else 
encountered this, and if so, how did you get around it? In particular, 
how did you change the icon collection view from column to list?


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Re: Is mail chimp accessible?

2021-01-05 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

Accessible for whom? The recipient of emails sent by mailchimphas a
better chance of recieving an accessible message than with some other
mass marketing email platforms. At least Mailchimp tries to actively
encourage its users to support accessibility in their messages as per
this style guide:

https://styleguide.mailchimp.com/writing-for-accessibility/


Or, do you mean for the mailchimp account administrator? Or some other
role in the process?

Best,

Janina

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> Does anyone have info about mail chimp and voiceover accessibility?
> Thanks in advance,
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Re: Can't turn off the screen curtain on iPhone

2021-01-05 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn

Do you have a Bluetooth keyboard? F11 is a toggle fort curtain. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 4, 2021, at 10:11 PM, Jason Judy  wrote:
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> Nothing changed after I turned off and back on VoiceOver. So far VoiceOver 
> would speak the row and column number if I tried any gesture with three 
> fingers. In the editing mode, it would announce what the font size is set at.
> 
> Jace
> 
> 
> Sent from Jace's iPhone
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>> On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:44 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
 On 1/4/21 4:58 PM, Jason Judy wrote:
>>> The screen curtain on the iPhone apparently was turned on after the 
>>> software update. It will not turn the screen curtain off after performing 
>>> the triple tap with three fingers gesture.
>> 
>> What happens if you turn off VoiceOver, then re-enable it?
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Re: Home Pod Mini tomorrow.

2021-01-05 Thread 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries

I got my Home Pod Mini set up yesterday.

I thought that Siri would be more functional as I asked her to read my emails 
as she can’t do it on the Home Pod mini but it can be done on the I Phone.

I like the quality of the music.  Excellent for phone calls and Face Time.  She 
does drop the network connection though so I just restart it or turn it off and 
on at the mains.  Does that happen for anyone else?  I changed my wifi settings 
so I’m hoping it will be OK.

Kawal.

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> Oh, that's cool! Thanks Joseph, I'd never heard of that.
> Cheers,
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>> On Jan 4, 2021, at 3:26 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
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>> It's kind of hit and miss but you can also tap your Iphone on the mini and 
>> it will automatically  transfer your audio to it from your phone which is 
>> neat.  
>> 
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>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> I’m receiving my Home Pod Mini tomorrow so I have a few questions.
>>> 
>>> 1.  If you have your I phone in the room with you and you say Hey Siri, 
>>> what will respond, both devices or all devices that use hey Siri?  How can 
>>> you get one device to respond?  Or is that not possible?
>>> 
>>> 2.  Can you get home pod mini to play BBC radio stations?
>>> 
>>> 3.  Can you get Siri to play your audible books?
>>> 
>>> I bought a new Alexa dot 4 just in case I can’t listen to audible books on 
>>> the go.
>>> 
>>> So it’s two speakers in the same place but I am looking forward to amazing 
>>> music (as I understand that the Home Pod mini plays great music sound).
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
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