Re: How to delete an e-mail address from dropdown in To field of Mac Mail

[Kevin Gibbs]

Brad,

Did all that.  It worked to a point.  The old address is deleted from that 
window.  However, when I go about typing a new e-mail, I see both the new and 
old e-mail addresses because I have several old e-mails which were sent to that 
old address before it was hacked and changed.  So, I guess I just have to be 
aware.  I have tested this successfully with a misspelled e-mail address where 
I don’t have any e-mails sent there to.  In that case, all worked perfectly.  
So, just have to be careful.  Drag.

> On May 19, 2021, at 12:23 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> You can delete your friend’s old email address from the Previous Recipients 
> list.
> To access this list, do the following:
> 1.  While in the Mac’s mail app, go to the Menu Bar > Windows, and arrow down 
> to Previous Recipients, and press Enter.
> 2.  Once in the Previous Recipients dialogue, VoiceOver focus should be in a 
> Search edit field, where you can type the first few letters of your friend’s 
> old email address.
> 3.  Now, press the Tab key, or VO + Right Arrow to the list of Search 
> results, where you should find your friend’s old email address, and maybe 
> other search results.
> 4.  When you have located the address you wish to remove from the list, press 
> the Delete key.
> 
> That’s it.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 19, 2021, at 00:01, Kevin Gibbs  > wrote:
> 
> I just received a message from a friend who said her old e-mail address was 
> hacked and to use a new one.  As a test, I typed her name into the To field 
> of Mac Mail on my Mac mini running 10.12.6.  the new e-mail address appeared 
> as the first option.  But the old address was immediately below it.  I know I 
> can listen to the e-mail address being read to make sure I choose the correct 
> one.  But I would prefer to hose the dead e-mail from my options.  There are 
> several such cases where dead or misspelled e-mail address appear as options 
> and I’d like to remove them from this dropdown but have no idea how or 
> whether it can be done.  
> 
> Ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> kevin
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Re: How to delete an e-mail address from dropdown in To field of Mac Mail

[Brad Snyder]

You can delete your friend’s old email address from the Previous Recipients 
list.
To access this list, do the following:
1.  While in the Mac’s mail app, go to the Menu Bar > Windows, and arrow down 
to Previous Recipients, and press Enter.
2.  Once in the Previous Recipients dialogue, VoiceOver focus should be in a 
Search edit field, where you can type the first few letters of your friend’s 
old email address.
3.  Now, press the Tab key, or VO + Right Arrow to the list of Search results, 
where you should find your friend’s old email address, and maybe other search 
results.
4.  When you have located the address you wish to remove from the list, press 
the Delete key.

That’s it.

- Brad -


On May 19, 2021, at 00:01, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:

I just received a message from a friend who said her old e-mail address was 
hacked and to use a new one.  As a test, I typed her name into the To field of 
Mac Mail on my Mac mini running 10.12.6.  the new e-mail address appeared as 
the first option.  But the old address was immediately below it.  I know I can 
listen to the e-mail address being read to make sure I choose the correct one.  
But I would prefer to hose the dead e-mail from my options.  There are several 
such cases where dead or misspelled e-mail address appear as options and I’d 
like to remove them from this dropdown but have no idea how or whether it can 
be done.  

Ideas?

Thanks,
kevin

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Re: How to delete an e-mail address from dropdown in To field of Mac Mail

[Kevin Gibbs]

Figured out how to delete previous recipient.  Unfortunately, that deletion 
doesn't work if you ever sent an e-mail to the address you want gone.  too 
bad.
On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 12:01:23 AM UTC-5 Kevin Gibbs wrote:

> I just received a message from a friend who said her old e-mail address 
> was hacked and to use a new one. As a test, I typed her name into the To 
> field of Mac Mail on my Mac mini running 10.12.6. the new e-mail address 
> appeared as the first option. But the old address was immediately below it. 
> I know I can listen to the e-mail address being read to make sure I choose 
> the correct one. But I would prefer to hose the dead e-mail from my 
> options. There are several such cases where dead or misspelled e-mail 
> address appear as options and I’d like to remove them from this dropdown 
> but have no idea how or whether it can be done. 
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> kevin
>
>

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How to delete an e-mail address from dropdown in To field of Mac Mail

[Kevin Gibbs]

I just received a message from a friend who said her old e-mail address was 
hacked and to use a new one.  As a test, I typed her name into the To field of 
Mac Mail on my Mac mini running 10.12.6.  the new e-mail address appeared as 
the first option.  But the old address was immediately below it.  I know I can 
listen to the e-mail address being read to make sure I choose the correct one.  
But I would prefer to hose the dead e-mail from my options.  There are several 
such cases where dead or misspelled e-mail address appear as options and I’d 
like to remove them from this dropdown but have no idea how or whether it can 
be done.  

Ideas?

Thanks,
kevin

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Re: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

On 18/5/21 1:02 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Yeah. I have used it for years, but maybe I’ll just disable it.
I suppose it depends on your security needs. There's too much personal 
information on mine that could be misused by fraudsters or other 
organized criminals to take the risk of not encrypting it. Also, it's a 
laptop, as will be its replacement. I know how much I'd regret it if 
someone stole the machine and started taking advantage of personal 
details for identity theft or other malevolent purposes.


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Re: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Just want to say thanks Brad and Harry for trying to help. I’ve looked in 
system prefs, I’ve disabled File Vault, and still no VO at startup, and no 
sounds in Mail. So I guess tomorrow I’ll call Apple Accessibility.
Cheers,
Donna

> On May 18, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Here is what you need to do to set up VO to start at the logon screen:
> 1.  Go to System Preferences > Users & Groups.
> 2.  In the, "Users, groups and login options" List” table, select, “Login 
> Options”, from the table.
> 3.  You should select the lock so you can make changes, in order to continue.
> 4.  Navigate to the "Accessibility Options” button, and press VO + Space to 
> activate.
> 5.  Now, select the accessibility features you would like to enable at login, 
> and select the Apply button.
> 
> That should do it.
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 18, 2021, at 10:23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> On new MBA, VO does not come on at start up.  I can bring up the recovery 
> system voice in order to log in, but I would like VO to start at log in like 
> it has in the past.  I’ve looked in VO utility and system prefs, but don’t 
> see a setting that would address this. Any ideas?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: I don't seem to have a deleted messages or Trash mailbox for iCloud on New Mac.

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, John. I may be making some headway. lol
Cheers,
Donna


> On May 18, 2021, at 3:41 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>   There should only be one column in the Mailbox table. There should be 
> account headings for each series of mailboxes where you can use VO-backslash 
> to collapse or expand the mailbox group. You might find additional areas as 
> well based on your setup.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On May 18, 2021, at 4:11 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve always thought mail in Big Sur is unnecessarily 
>> convoluted. I have two columns that list mailboxes. Neither seems to let me 
>> collapse or expand accounts.  One column is labeled Mailboxes, so I assume 
>> it is the mailbox list. The other column, which also has names of mailboxes, 
>> doesn’t seem to have a label. 
>> 
>> I don’t know if any of this makes sense, but if you could give me some 
>> direction on how to collapse some of this, I would really appreciate it.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2021, at 2:54 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You might have to collapse accounts. Remember that in the mailbox table, 
>>> you can expand or collapse the mailboxes.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
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>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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>>> 
 On May 18, 2021, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 OK, somehow I got them back, but now I have a kabillion mailboxes..  It 
 looks like one of everything is showing for each account.  How do I get it 
 back to the view I had before, where everything was streamlined, but with 
 the ability to monitor trash and junk mailboxes when necessary? Yikes!
 Donna
 
> On May 18, 2021, at 1:18 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
> Go to your mailbox table and interact. Go up to where it says, Favorites. 
> There should be an, Add, button there. You might have to interact again, 
> but VO-space on the, Add, button. The dropdown menu should give you the 
> ability to add back the missing mailboxes.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On May 18, 2021, at 2:00 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> These mailboxes just don’t seem to have been created, despite the fact 
>> that I have deleted messages. The messages I’ve deleted seem to have 
>> just vanished, despite the fact that my mail prefs were set not to erase 
>> deleted messages for a month.  Anyone have any idea what’s up?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: I don't seem to have a deleted messages or Trash mailbox for iCloud on New Mac.

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Karen,

Thanks for the suggestion.  That isn’t the problem, but I may be having some 
success. Fingers crossed!
Thanks for the suggestion.
Cheers,
Donna

> On May 18, 2021, at 4:57 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> Just wondering, but were those mailboxes part of the user account you spoke 
> of deleting earlier?
> If so, might that be why you cannot recover those older mailboxes, the user 
> account is gone?
> Just a question from  the peanut gallery,
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 18 May 2021, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> 
>> Ok, I followed these steps and made all of my mailboxes disappear.  I have 
>> no idea how, and I don't seem to be able to get them back. Now what?
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2021, at 1:18 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Go to your mailbox table and interact. Go up to where it says, Favorites. 
>>> There should be an, Add, button there. You might have to interact again, 
>>> but VO-space on the, Add, button. The dropdown menu should give you the 
>>> ability to add back the missing mailboxes.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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>>> 
 On May 18, 2021, at 2:00 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 These mailboxes just don’t seem to have been created, despite the fact 
 that I have deleted messages. The messages I’ve deleted seem to have just 
 vanished, despite the fact that my mail prefs were set not to erase 
 deleted messages for a month.  Anyone have any idea what’s up?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: I don't seem to have a deleted messages or Trash mailbox for iCloud on New Mac.

[Karen Lewellen]

Donna,
Just wondering, but were those mailboxes part of the user account you 
spoke of deleting earlier?
If so, might that be why you cannot recover those older mailboxes, the 
user account is gone?

Just a question from  the peanut gallery,
Karen



On Tue, 18 May 2021, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi Jonathan,

Ok, I followed these steps and made all of my mailboxes disappear.  I have no 
idea how, and I don't seem to be able to get them back. Now what?
Donna



On May 18, 2021, at 1:18 PM, John Panarese  wrote:

  Go to your mailbox table and interact. Go up to where it says, Favorites. 
There should be an, Add, button there. You might have to interact again, but 
VO-space on the, Add, button. The dropdown menu should give you the ability to 
add back the missing mailboxes.


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On May 18, 2021, at 2:00 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

These mailboxes just don’t seem to have been created, despite the fact that I 
have deleted messages. The messages I’ve deleted seem to have just vanished, 
despite the fact that my mail prefs were set not to erase deleted messages for 
a month.  Anyone have any idea what’s up?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: I don't seem to have a deleted messages or Trash mailbox for iCloud on New Mac.

[John Panarese]

   There should only be one column in the Mailbox table. There should be 
account headings for each series of mailboxes where you can use VO-backslash to 
collapse or expand the mailbox group. You might find additional areas as well 
based on your setup.


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> On May 18, 2021, at 4:11 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve always thought mail in Big Sur is unnecessarily 
> convoluted. I have two columns that list mailboxes. Neither seems to let me 
> collapse or expand accounts.  One column is labeled Mailboxes, so I assume it 
> is the mailbox list. The other column, which also has names of mailboxes, 
> doesn’t seem to have a label. 
> 
> I don’t know if any of this makes sense, but if you could give me some 
> direction on how to collapse some of this, I would really appreciate it.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On May 18, 2021, at 2:54 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>> You might have to collapse accounts. Remember that in the mailbox table, you 
>> can expand or collapse the mailboxes.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>>> On May 18, 2021, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, somehow I got them back, but now I have a kabillion mailboxes..  It 
>>> looks like one of everything is showing for each account.  How do I get it 
>>> back to the view I had before, where everything was streamlined, but with 
>>> the ability to monitor trash and junk mailboxes when necessary? Yikes!
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On May 18, 2021, at 1:18 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
 
 Go to your mailbox table and interact. Go up to where it says, Favorites. 
 There should be an, Add, button there. You might have to interact again, 
 but VO-space on the, Add, button. The dropdown menu should give you the 
 ability to add back the missing mailboxes.
 
 
 Take Care
 
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> On May 18, 2021, at 2:00 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> These mailboxes just don’t seem to have been created, despite the fact 
> that I have deleted messages. The messages I’ve deleted seem to have just 
> vanished, despite the fact that my mail prefs were set not to erase 
> deleted messages for a month.  Anyone have any idea what’s up?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: I don't seem to have a deleted messages or Trash mailbox for iCloud on New Mac.

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi John,

Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve always thought mail in Big Sur is unnecessarily 
convoluted. I have two columns that list mailboxes. Neither seems to let me 
collapse or expand accounts.  One column is labeled Mailboxes, so I assume it 
is the mailbox list. The other column, which also has names of mailboxes, 
doesn’t seem to have a label. 

I don’t know if any of this makes sense, but if you could give me some 
direction on how to collapse some of this, I would really appreciate it.
Cheers,
Donna

> On May 18, 2021, at 2:54 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  You might have to collapse accounts. Remember that in the mailbox table, you 
> can expand or collapse the mailboxes.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On May 18, 2021, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, somehow I got them back, but now I have a kabillion mailboxes..  It 
>> looks like one of everything is showing for each account.  How do I get it 
>> back to the view I had before, where everything was streamlined, but with 
>> the ability to monitor trash and junk mailboxes when necessary? Yikes!
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2021, at 1:18 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Go to your mailbox table and interact. Go up to where it says, Favorites. 
>>> There should be an, Add, button there. You might have to interact again, 
>>> but VO-space on the, Add, button. The dropdown menu should give you the 
>>> ability to add back the missing mailboxes.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
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  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 These mailboxes just don’t seem to have been created, despite the fact 
 that I have deleted messages. The messages I’ve deleted seem to have just 
 vanished, despite the fact that my mail prefs were set not to erase 
 deleted messages for a month.  Anyone have any idea what’s up?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: I don't seem to have a deleted messages or Trash mailbox for iCloud on New Mac.

[John Panarese]

  You might have to collapse accounts. Remember that in the mailbox table, you 
can expand or collapse the mailboxes.


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> On May 18, 2021, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK, somehow I got them back, but now I have a kabillion mailboxes..  It looks 
> like one of everything is showing for each account.  How do I get it back to 
> the view I had before, where everything was streamlined, but with the ability 
> to monitor trash and junk mailboxes when necessary? Yikes!
> Donna
> 
>> On May 18, 2021, at 1:18 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>  Go to your mailbox table and interact. Go up to where it says, Favorites. 
>> There should be an, Add, button there. You might have to interact again, but 
>> VO-space on the, Add, button. The dropdown menu should give you the ability 
>> to add back the missing mailboxes.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>>> On May 18, 2021, at 2:00 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> These mailboxes just don’t seem to have been created, despite the fact that 
>>> I have deleted messages. The messages I’ve deleted seem to have just 
>>> vanished, despite the fact that my mail prefs were set not to erase deleted 
>>> messages for a month.  Anyone have any idea what’s up?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: I don't seem to have a deleted messages or Trash mailbox for iCloud on New Mac.

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

OK, somehow I got them back, but now I have a kabillion mailboxes..  It looks 
like one of everything is showing for each account.  How do I get it back to 
the view I had before, where everything was streamlined, but with the ability 
to monitor trash and junk mailboxes when necessary? Yikes!
Donna

> On May 18, 2021, at 1:18 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   Go to your mailbox table and interact. Go up to where it says, Favorites. 
> There should be an, Add, button there. You might have to interact again, but 
> VO-space on the, Add, button. The dropdown menu should give you the ability 
> to add back the missing mailboxes.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On May 18, 2021, at 2:00 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> These mailboxes just don’t seem to have been created, despite the fact that 
>> I have deleted messages. The messages I’ve deleted seem to have just 
>> vanished, despite the fact that my mail prefs were set not to erase deleted 
>> messages for a month.  Anyone have any idea what’s up?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: I don't seem to have a deleted messages or Trash mailbox for iCloud on New Mac.

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jonathan,

Ok, I followed these steps and made all of my mailboxes disappear.  I have no 
idea how, and I don't seem to be able to get them back. Now what?
Donna


> On May 18, 2021, at 1:18 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   Go to your mailbox table and interact. Go up to where it says, Favorites. 
> There should be an, Add, button there. You might have to interact again, but 
> VO-space on the, Add, button. The dropdown menu should give you the ability 
> to add back the missing mailboxes.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On May 18, 2021, at 2:00 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> These mailboxes just don’t seem to have been created, despite the fact that 
>> I have deleted messages. The messages I’ve deleted seem to have just 
>> vanished, despite the fact that my mail prefs were set not to erase deleted 
>> messages for a month.  Anyone have any idea what’s up?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: I don't seem to have a deleted messages or Trash mailbox for iCloud on New Mac.

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   Go to your mailbox table and interact. Go up to where it says, Favorites. 
There should be an, Add, button there. You might have to interact again, but 
VO-space on the, Add, button. The dropdown menu should give you the ability to 
add back the missing mailboxes.


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> These mailboxes just don’t seem to have been created, despite the fact that I 
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> despite the fact that my mail prefs were set not to erase deleted messages 
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> TIA,
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I don't seem to have a deleted messages or Trash mailbox for iCloud on New Mac.

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

These mailboxes just don’t seem to have been created, despite the fact that I 
have deleted messages. The messages I’ve deleted seem to have just vanished, 
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a month.  Anyone have any idea what’s up?
TIA,
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Re: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA

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Yeah. I have used it for years, but maybe I’ll just disable it.
Cheers,
Donna


> On May 18, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Good point.
> I  don't use file vault,  and forget about how it affects voiceover on The 
> logon screen.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On May 18, 2021, at 11:57, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
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> If you have enabled FileVault, if you do set up VoiceOver to come in at 
> login, there is a bug affecting M1 Mac mini at least; VoiceOver does not land 
> in the password box and is unresponsive. You have to turn VoiceOver off and 
> back on again. Apple accessibility is looking for a fix. 
> Harry
> 
>> On 18 May 2021, at 17:40, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Here is what you need to do to set up VO to start at the logon screen:
>> 1.  Go to System Preferences > Users & Groups.
>> 2.  In the, "Users, groups and login options" List” table, select, “Login 
>> Options”, from the table.
>> 3.  You should select the lock so you can make changes, in order to continue.
>> 4.  Navigate to the "Accessibility Options” button, and press VO + Space to 
>> activate.
>> 5.  Now, select the accessibility features you would like to enable at 
>> login, and select the Apply button.
>> 
>> That should do it.
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On May 18, 2021, at 10:23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> On new MBA, VO does not come on at start up.  I can bring up the recovery 
>> system voice in order to log in, but I would like VO to start at log in like 
>> it has in the past.  I’ve looked in VO utility and system prefs, but don’t 
>> see a setting that would address this. Any ideas?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Brad,

I’d gotten as far as number 3. But there is no Accessibility Options button.
Cheers,
Donna



> On May 18, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Here is what you need to do to set up VO to start at the logon screen:
> 1.  Go to System Preferences > Users & Groups.
> 2.  In the, "Users, groups and login options" List” table, select, “Login 
> Options”, from the table.
> 3.  You should select the lock so you can make changes, in order to continue.
> 4.  Navigate to the "Accessibility Options” button, and press VO + Space to 
> activate.
> 5.  Now, select the accessibility features you would like to enable at login, 
> and select the Apply button.
> 
> That should do it.
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 18, 2021, at 10:23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Hi all,
> 
> On new MBA, VO does not come on at start up.  I can bring up the recovery 
> system voice in order to log in, but I would like VO to start at log in like 
> it has in the past.  I’ve looked in VO utility and system prefs, but don’t 
> see a setting that would address this. Any ideas?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA

[Brad Snyder]

Good point.
I  don't use file vault,  and forget about how it affects voiceover on The 
logon screen.

- Brad -

On May 18, 2021, at 11:57, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


If you have enabled FileVault, if you do set up VoiceOver to come in at login, 
there is a bug affecting M1 Mac mini at least; VoiceOver does not land in the 
password box and is unresponsive. You have to turn VoiceOver off and back on 
again. Apple accessibility is looking for a fix. 
Harry

> On 18 May 2021, at 17:40, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Here is what you need to do to set up VO to start at the logon screen:
> 1.  Go to System Preferences > Users & Groups.
> 2.  In the, "Users, groups and login options" List” table, select, “Login 
> Options”, from the table.
> 3.  You should select the lock so you can make changes, in order to continue.
> 4.  Navigate to the "Accessibility Options” button, and press VO + Space to 
> activate.
> 5.  Now, select the accessibility features you would like to enable at login, 
> and select the Apply button.
> 
> That should do it.
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 18, 2021, at 10:23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> On new MBA, VO does not come on at start up.  I can bring up the recovery 
> system voice in order to log in, but I would like VO to start at log in like 
> it has in the past.  I’ve looked in VO utility and system prefs, but don’t 
> see a setting that would address this. Any ideas?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: No Mail sounds on new MBA

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

And how does one do that? I don’t see an option for it in System Prefs.
Donna

> On May 18, 2021, at 11:43 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> I would set your sounds back to their defaults, and see if that restores the 
> Mail sounds.
> 
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> 
> 
> On May 18, 2021, at 10:32, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Hi all,
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> Subject says it all. I have no sounds in Mail, no message sent sound and no 
> New Mail sound. I went into Mail presfs, sounds is checked, I’ve set the 
> crystal sound as the new Mail sound, but still nothing. Any ideas?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

If you have enabled FileVault, if you do set up VoiceOver to come in at login, 
there is a bug affecting M1 Mac mini at least; VoiceOver does not land in the 
password box and is unresponsive. You have to turn VoiceOver off and back on 
again. Apple accessibility is looking for a fix. 
Harry

> On 18 May 2021, at 17:40, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Here is what you need to do to set up VO to start at the logon screen:
> 1.  Go to System Preferences > Users & Groups.
> 2.  In the, "Users, groups and login options" List” table, select, “Login 
> Options”, from the table.
> 3.  You should select the lock so you can make changes, in order to continue.
> 4.  Navigate to the "Accessibility Options” button, and press VO + Space to 
> activate.
> 5.  Now, select the accessibility features you would like to enable at login, 
> and select the Apply button.
> 
> That should do it.
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 18, 2021, at 10:23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> On new MBA, VO does not come on at start up.  I can bring up the recovery 
> system voice in order to log in, but I would like VO to start at log in like 
> it has in the past.  I’ve looked in VO utility and system prefs, but don’t 
> see a setting that would address this. Any ideas?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: No Mail sounds on new MBA

[Brad Snyder]

I would set your sounds back to their defaults, and see if that restores the 
Mail sounds.

- Brad -


On May 18, 2021, at 10:32, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi all,

Subject says it all. I have no sounds in Mail, no message sent sound and no New 
Mail sound. I went into Mail presfs, sounds is checked, I’ve set the crystal 
sound as the new Mail sound, but still nothing. Any ideas?
TIA,
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Re: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA

[Brad Snyder]

Here is what you need to do to set up VO to start at the logon screen:
1.  Go to System Preferences > Users & Groups.
2.  In the, "Users, groups and login options" List” table, select, “Login 
Options”, from the table.
3.  You should select the lock so you can make changes, in order to continue.
4.  Navigate to the "Accessibility Options” button, and press VO + Space to 
activate.
5.  Now, select the accessibility features you would like to enable at login, 
and select the Apply button.

That should do it.
HTH.

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Hi all,

On new MBA, VO does not come on at start up.  I can bring up the recovery 
system voice in order to log in, but I would like VO to start at log in like it 
has in the past.  I’ve looked in VO utility and system prefs, but don’t see a 
setting that would address this. Any ideas?
TIA,
Donna

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RE: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA

[skipper8218]

Well,
Sometimes, I wait about ten seconds.
If not, command f5 worked.
I just created a user name and password for the Mac and then brought my phone 
to the Mac.
Once I signed into both accounts, everything just works.


-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 11:31 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA

That shouldn’t happen.  At least it never did before.
Donna

> On May 18, 2021, at 10:25 AM,   
> wrote:
> 
> Command f5 doesn't work?
> I have noticed that VoiceOver doesn't start immediately at the login prompt.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 11:23 AM
> To: via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> On new MBA, VO does not come on at start up.  I can bring up the recovery 
> system voice in order to log in, but I would like VO to start at log in like 
> it has in the past.  I’ve looked in VO utility and system prefs, but don’t 
> see a setting that would address this. Any ideas?
> TIA,
> Donna
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No Mail sounds on new MBA

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

Subject says it all. I have no sounds in Mail, no message sent sound and no New 
Mail sound. I went into Mail presfs, sounds is checked, I’ve set the crystal 
sound as the new Mail sound, but still nothing. Any ideas?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

That shouldn’t happen.  At least it never did before.
Donna

> On May 18, 2021, at 10:25 AM,   
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> Command f5 doesn't work?
> I have noticed that VoiceOver doesn't start immediately at the login prompt.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 11:23 AM
> To: via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> On new MBA, VO does not come on at start up.  I can bring up the recovery 
> system voice in order to log in, but I would like VO to start at log in like 
> it has in the past.  I’ve looked in VO utility and system prefs, but don’t 
> see a setting that would address this. Any ideas?
> TIA,
> Donna
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RE: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA

[richring]

I think I'll stick with my old Mac!

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 10:23 AM
To: via MacVisionaries 
Subject: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA

Hi all,

On new MBA, VO does not come on at start up.  I can bring up the recovery 
system voice in order to log in, but I would like VO to start at log in like it 
has in the past.  I’ve looked in VO utility and system prefs, but don’t see a 
setting that would address this. Any ideas?
TIA,
Donna

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RE: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA

[skipper8218]

Command f5 doesn't work?
I have noticed that VoiceOver doesn't start immediately at the login prompt.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 11:23 AM
To: via MacVisionaries 
Subject: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA

Hi all,

On new MBA, VO does not come on at start up.  I can bring up the recovery 
system voice in order to log in, but I would like VO to start at log in like it 
has in the past.  I’ve looked in VO utility and system prefs, but don’t see a 
setting that would address this. Any ideas?
TIA,
Donna

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VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

On new MBA, VO does not come on at start up.  I can bring up the recovery 
system voice in order to log in, but I would like VO to start at log in like it 
has in the past.  I’ve looked in VO utility and system prefs, but don’t see a 
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TIA,
Donna

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Too many import folder being created

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Hi all,

For various reasons, I’m importing my saved mailboxes separately. Trouble is, 
every time I import one, Mail is creating a new import folder. So, I have 
Import with one mailbox in it. Import 2 with one mailbox in it, Import 3, and 
so on. How do I move all these mailboxes into one folder, and then delete the 
extraneous Import folders?
TIA,
Donna

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RE: Update on new Mac

[skipper8218]

Thanks for the update and glad the iCloud migration is working well.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 10:27 AM
To: via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Update on new Mac

Good morning, all,

I’m happy to write with good news.

My new M1 MBA arrived yesterday.  Though I’m not done migrating everything yet, 
all is working well. I actually did migrate data using a newer time machine 
backup, and was greatly relieved when doing that didn’t sabotage Voiceover. But 
I ended up deciding that Brad was right. Even just bringing over files, it 
still brought a bunch of junk with it. So I ended up deleting that user 
account, and just going with the account I’d created when I set up the MBA as a 
new Mac, and migrating everything manually.  Thank goodness for iCloud! :)

This is much more like the Apple experience I’ve come to know and love.
Cheers,
Donna

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Update on new Mac

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Good morning, all,

I’m happy to write with good news.

My new M1 MBA arrived yesterday.  Though I’m not done migrating everything yet, 
all is working well. I actually did migrate data using a newer time machine 
backup, and was greatly relieved when doing that didn’t sabotage Voiceover. But 
I ended up deciding that Brad was right. Even just bringing over files, it 
still brought a bunch of junk with it. So I ended up deleting that user 
account, and just going with the account I’d created when I set up the MBA as a 
new Mac, and migrating everything manually.  Thank goodness for iCloud! :)

This is much more like the Apple experience I’ve come to know and love.
Cheers,
Donna

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