RE: Sharing Current Page?

[Fazil M.]

Actually, when I was thinking about sharing that webpage that I did, I did the 
same way that you have described in your message — Command-l, and command v.

Thanks!

 

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Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2022 9:47 PM
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Are you saying that you press command-i within the email message or on the web 
page you want to share? I would assume that you would have email open as well 
as Safari if you were doing this. is that correct?





On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:56 PM, Jonathan Cohn mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello,

If you want to share via e-mail (at least for me) the keystroke is command-I 
(eye)  will do this. 

Note once mail is launched and you are in the message, there should be a pop-up 
menu asking how you want to share. Choices might include 

FUll web page

PDF

Link 

Reader view 

 

For those sites where Safari has a reader view, it usually default to that.

Also, there is a "share button" in the tool bar of most applications including 
Safari and that there should also be a share sub-menu in the File menu .

 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn







On Feb 3, 2022, at 21:07, Fazil M. <  
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Hi, Group.

How can I share the current page that I am on in Safari?

Thanks!

 

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Re: VO command to make any window expand to its largest size

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Tim,
very interesting. 
I always wondered why a VO user could want to move a window. Would you aggree 
this is only useful if you are partially sighted? Or is there anything I don't 
understand? 
Thanks and all the best
Jürgen 
.

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 03.02.2022 um 23:14 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Further to my previous notes on this, see the following Apple article for 
> specific VO commands related to window manipulation:
> 
> https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/voiceover/mchlp2709/mac
> 
> In looking at these, I don’t believe there is a specific command within 
> VoiceOver itself for what you asked.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 15:05, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Cmd-ctrl-f will put the window into Full Screen.  Alternatively, in some 
>> windows, you’ll find the Close, Minimize and Zoom buttons as the first items 
>> on the screen.  Use VO-FN-left then VO-left to move to the Full Screen, 
>> Zoom, Minimize and Close buttons.  Some windows do not have the Zoom option, 
>> just the Full Screen.  Zoom normally expands/collapses the window between 
>> its current size and as big as it would fit on the screen while still having 
>> the menubar visible.  Full Screen visually takes away the menu bar as well 
>> and uses the entire screen to display the window.  The same cmd-ctrl-f 
>> command will toggle it out of Full Screen mode.
>> 
>> Not sure if this is what you’re looking for, but it may help.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
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>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 14:57, Chuck Reichel  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> I need to make some windows larger or zoomed to their biggest size.
>>> I know that VO tilde and VO shift tilde moves in small increments up or 
>>> down or left or right but I need to make the whole window grow to its 
>>> largest size to access certain menus in my pro tools plugin windows.
>>> What is the command to make any window expand to its largest size please?
>>> Thanks
>>> Chuck
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Re: Sharing Current Page?

[Lorie McCloud]

Are you saying that you press command-i within the email message or on the web 
page you want to share? I would assume that you would have email open as well 
as Safari if you were doing this. is that correct?

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:56 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> If you want to share via e-mail (at least for me) the keystroke is command-I 
> (eye)  will do this. 
> Note once mail is launched and you are in the message, there should be a 
> pop-up menu asking how you want to share. Choices might include 
> FUll web page
> PDF
> Link 
> Reader view 
> 
> For those sites where Safari has a reader view, it usually default to that.
> Also, there is a "share button" in the tool bar of most applications 
> including Safari and that there should also be a share sub-menu in the File 
> menu .
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 21:07, Fazil M. > > wrote:
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>> Hi, Group.
>> How can I share the current page that I am on in Safari?
>> Thanks!
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Re: Adding/Removing Languages?

[Jonathan Cohn]

 You can not remove your primary language. If you want to, then you would need 
to make another language your primary language. 
I did a lot of playing around with language features about the time that MacOS 
12 came out. I can't remember the specific steps, but they might be in the 
archive of this mailing list.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



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> Hi, Group.
> I vaguely remembered that I added Hindi and Arabic to my languages when Mac 
> arrived sometimes ago.
> I think I did something wrong at that time because Mac was reading Arabic 
> reasonably ok yesterday but it did not read Hindi today.
> I was thinking of removing these two languages and adding them again but 
> removing option is dimmed in Voiceover Utility. I could not find Hindi in the 
> language table today. How can I remove and add them again, please?
> Thanks!
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Adding/Removing Languages?

[Fazil M.]

Hi, Group.

I vaguely remembered that I added Hindi and Arabic to my languages when Mac
arrived sometimes ago.

I think I did something wrong at that time because Mac was reading Arabic
reasonably ok yesterday but it did not read Hindi today.

I was thinking of removing these two languages and adding them again but
removing option is dimmed in Voiceover Utility. I could not find Hindi in
the language table today. How can I remove and add them again, please?

Thanks!

 

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Re: Sharing Current Page?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
If you want to share via e-mail (at least for me) the keystroke is command-I 
(eye)  will do this. 
Note once mail is launched and you are in the message, there should be a pop-up 
menu asking how you want to share. Choices might include 
FUll web page
PDF
Link 
Reader view 

For those sites where Safari has a reader view, it usually default to that.
Also, there is a "share button" in the tool bar of most applications including 
Safari and that there should also be a share sub-menu in the File menu .
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Feb 3, 2022, at 21:07, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> How can I share the current page that I am on in Safari?
> Thanks!
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Re: Sharing Current Page?

[Lorie McCloud]

there might be but if so I don't know what it is. 

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 8:54 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> Thanks much! I did just that last time but I thought that was a dirty quick 
> way, there might be a suffisticated one too.
> Thanks again.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2022 6:33 PM
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> when you're on the page you want to share press command-l to open the address 
> bar. vo reads the address of the page you're on. press command-c to copy it. 
> then when you're writing an email or wherever else you're going to share, 
> press command-v to paste it.
> 
> 
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>> How can I share the current page that I am on in Safari?
>> Thanks!
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RE: Why Is Mac Not Reading It? FW: ब्रेकिंग न्यूज़ समाचार, ताजा खबर | News, latest news, breaking news - BBC News हिंदी

[Fazil M.]

Ok, let me look at it.
Thanks again.

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Subject: Re: Why Is Mac Not Reading It? FW: ब्रेकिंग न्यूज़ समाचार, ताजा खबर | 
News, latest news, breaking news - BBC News हिंदी

my mac reads it. it must be a setting some place. maybe in vo utility.

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 8:05 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> This is BBC Hindi website. iPhone is reading it in Hindi just fine, why is 
> Mac not reading it?
> I have added Hindi and Arabic in Voiceover Utility.
> Thanks!
> 
> Subject: ब्रेकिंग न्यूज़ समाचार, ताजा खबर | News, latest news, breaking news 
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> https://www.bbc.com/hindi
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RE: Sharing Current Page?

[Fazil M.]

Thanks much! I did just that last time but I thought that was a dirty quick 
way, there might be a suffisticated one too.

Thanks again.

 

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when you're on the page you want to share press command-l to open the address 
bar. vo reads the address of the page you're on. press command-c to copy it. 
then when you're writing an email or wherever else you're going to share, press 
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Hi, Group.

How can I share the current page that I am on in Safari?

Thanks!

 

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Re: Why Is Mac Not Reading It? FW: ब्रेकिंग न्यूज़ समाचार, ताजा खबर | News, latest news, breaking news - BBC News हिंदी

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my mac reads it. it must be a setting some place. maybe in vo utility.

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 8:05 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> This is BBC Hindi website. iPhone is reading it in Hindi just fine, why is 
> Mac not reading it?
> I have added Hindi and Arabic in Voiceover Utility.
> Thanks!
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Re: Sharing Current Page?

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when you're on the page you want to share press command-l to open the address 
bar. vo reads the address of the page you're on. press command-c to copy it. 
then when you're writing an email or wherever else you're going to share, press 
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> Thanks!
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Sharing Current Page?

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Hi, Group.

How can I share the current page that I am on in Safari?

Thanks!

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[Fazil M.]

Hi, Group.
This is BBC Hindi website. iPhone is reading it in Hindi just fine, why is Mac 
not reading it?
I have added Hindi and Arabic in Voiceover Utility.
Thanks!

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https://www.bbc.com/hindi


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Re: VO command to make any window expand to its largest size

[Chuck Reichel]

Hi Tim,
Thanks so much.
You always go the extra mile to solve the issue. :)
Much appreciated.
 I will try these tomorrow.
Chuck


> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:05 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Cmd-ctrl-f will put the window into Full Screen.  Alternatively, in some 
> windows, you’ll find the Close, Minimize and Zoom buttons as the first items 
> on the screen.  Use VO-FN-left then VO-left to move to the Full Screen, Zoom, 
> Minimize and Close buttons.  Some windows do not have the Zoom option, just 
> the Full Screen.  Zoom normally expands/collapses the window between its 
> current size and as big as it would fit on the screen while still having the 
> menubar visible.  Full Screen visually takes away the menu bar as well and 
> uses the entire screen to display the window.  The same cmd-ctrl-f command 
> will toggle it out of Full Screen mode.
> 
> Not sure if this is what you’re looking for, but it may help.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 14:57, Chuck Reichel > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> I need to make some windows larger or zoomed to their biggest size.
>> I know that VO tilde and VO shift tilde moves in small increments up or down 
>> or left or right but I need to make the whole window grow to its largest 
>> size to access certain menus in my pro tools plugin windows.
>> What is the command to make any window expand to its largest size please?
>> Thanks
>> Chuck
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Re: VO command to make any window expand to its largest size

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Further to my previous notes on this, see the following Apple article for 
specific VO commands related to window manipulation:

https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/voiceover/mchlp2709/mac 


In looking at these, I don’t believe there is a specific command within 
VoiceOver itself for what you asked.

Later…


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> On Feb 3, 2022, at 15:05, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Cmd-ctrl-f will put the window into Full Screen.  Alternatively, in some 
> windows, you’ll find the Close, Minimize and Zoom buttons as the first items 
> on the screen.  Use VO-FN-left then VO-left to move to the Full Screen, Zoom, 
> Minimize and Close buttons.  Some windows do not have the Zoom option, just 
> the Full Screen.  Zoom normally expands/collapses the window between its 
> current size and as big as it would fit on the screen while still having the 
> menubar visible.  Full Screen visually takes away the menu bar as well and 
> uses the entire screen to display the window.  The same cmd-ctrl-f command 
> will toggle it out of Full Screen mode.
> 
> Not sure if this is what you’re looking for, but it may help.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 14:57, Chuck Reichel > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> I need to make some windows larger or zoomed to their biggest size.
>> I know that VO tilde and VO shift tilde moves in small increments up or down 
>> or left or right but I need to make the whole window grow to its largest 
>> size to access certain menus in my pro tools plugin windows.
>> What is the command to make any window expand to its largest size please?
>> Thanks
>> Chuck
>> 
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Re: VO command to make any window expand to its largest size

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Cmd-ctrl-f will put the window into Full Screen.  Alternatively, in some 
windows, you’ll find the Close, Minimize and Zoom buttons as the first items on 
the screen.  Use VO-FN-left then VO-left to move to the Full Screen, Zoom, 
Minimize and Close buttons.  Some windows do not have the Zoom option, just the 
Full Screen.  Zoom normally expands/collapses the window between its current 
size and as big as it would fit on the screen while still having the menubar 
visible.  Full Screen visually takes away the menu bar as well and uses the 
entire screen to display the window.  The same cmd-ctrl-f command will toggle 
it out of Full Screen mode.

Not sure if this is what you’re looking for, but it may help.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 14:57, Chuck Reichel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> I need to make some windows larger or zoomed to their biggest size.
> I know that VO tilde and VO shift tilde moves in small increments up or down 
> or left or right but I need to make the whole window grow to its largest size 
> to access certain menus in my pro tools plugin windows.
> What is the command to make any window expand to its largest size please?
> Thanks
> Chuck
> 
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VO command to make any window expand to its largest size

[Chuck Reichel]

Hi List,
I need to make some windows larger or zoomed to their biggest size.
I know that VO tilde and VO shift tilde moves in small increments up or down or 
left or right but I need to make the whole window grow to its largest size to 
access certain menus in my pro tools plugin windows.
What is the command to make any window expand to its largest size please?
Thanks
Chuck



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Re: Improving music app experience

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I don’t have that issue as I am using an external keyboard.
Just because my hands are quite big I have to use an external one.
/A

> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 21:05 skrev Les Kriegler :
> 
> I would agree with Brad‘s comments here. It is so easy to activate the 
> touchpad. I pay attention to it and it still happens on occasion.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:14 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Correction to my shortcuts:
>> 
>> •cmd-left and cmd-right do the same as using just the left or right arrows.  
>> The difference is that when you add the cmd key, the focus location within 
>> the Music window is not as picky.
>> • to fast-forward or rewind within a song, add the option key to the above.  
>> That is, cmd-option-left or cmd-option-right.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:53, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> When it comes to the Search field, I prefer keyboard shortcuts.  So, to 
>>> search for something, press cmd-f.  This will automatically take you to the 
>>> search field.  After entering your information, press return.  Often, VO 
>>> will auto-jump over to the results.  If it doesn’t, try VO-j.
>>> 
>>> Some other hits for easier navigation and use:
>>> 
>>> • I change the view of my playlists to Song view as I find the columns that 
>>> are created easier to navigate in/through.
>>> • use VO-FN-left or VO-FN-right to quickly move to the first or last item 
>>> in the Music window.  Sometimes, you need to hit the command twice.
>>> • Use VO-cmd-t to quickly get to the sidebar table.
>>> 
>>> Know that there’s tons of keyboard shortcuts in the Music app.  Many of 
>>> these are not commonly found in menus.
>>> 
>>> • space will play/pause the currently selected title.
>>> • left/right arrow will do previous/next song.
>>> • cmd-up or cmd-down will turn up/down the volume.
>>> • press return to start playing when you’re focused on a song you wish to 
>>> play.
>>> • press cmd-right and hold to fast-forward within a song, cmd-left to 
>>> rewind within.
>>> 
>>> Note that the above commands do not require VO keys at all, they are simply 
>>> built-in Music media controls.  Also note that if you’ve moved out of the 
>>> music app, or if you’ve brought VO focus to certain parts of the Music app 
>>> screen, these commands may be unresponsive.  Just bring focus close to 
>>> somewhere where the play button is and they’ll start working again.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:05, Herbie Allen >>> > wrote:
 
 In regards to the  search, if you VO left back to the side bar and 
 interact, you can find the search field again and VO space which should 
 let you write.
 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> The focus in general has gone worse.
> I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
> Regarding the music app I don’t know.
> I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
> The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
> When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to 
> the result.
> And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart 
> it.
> But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
> Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
> /A
> 
>> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>> > >:
>> 
>> I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with 
>> VO. It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and 
>> Monterey did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve 
>> come up with to work around it?
>> 
>> Kristeen
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the 
>>> Mac? Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often 
>>> says not responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever 
>>> focus I might be in.
>>> 
>>> I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage 
>>> my music.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> Traci
>>> 
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Re: Improving music app experience

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Tim,

I am not experienced the cursive jumping in mail either. I will say, however 
that most of the time I use an external keyboard. I happen to be away this week 
and I’m using the Mack keyboard so I’m seeing the bumping of the trackpad 
happen for me. I can deal with it okay is I try to remember to lift my hands. 
Most often though, when it does occur, it happens when I’m going to put my 
hands on the keyboard I bunk the trap pad and it switches focus away from what 
I’m doing. In any event, it is certainly nice to have options and using a 
Bluetooth external keyboard is certainly one of them. Thanks. Best regards,
Les 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 10:35 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’d normally think that it may possibly be my hand hitting the trackpad as 
> well, but the question is then, why does it only happen in Mail, but not when 
> I’m typing in TextEdit, Pages etc.  Again, it’s not all the time, just some 
> inconvenient times :).
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 13:19, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> I have not experienced this issue either. I use an external keyboard. For 
>> that matter other than the music issues, I’ve not   experienced some of the 
>> others mentioned.
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 13:38, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t experience my cursor “jumping” when typing in macOS Monterey.
>>> Could it be that your hand is inadvertently touching the TouchPad when you 
>>> are typing? 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 13:03, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The thing that bugs me about Focus in Monterrey is how the cursor jumps 
>>> around when I’m typing.  I’m always having to edit my emails because the 
>>> cursor jumps to a different place in the message.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 The focus in general has gone worse.
 I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
 Regarding the music app I don’t know.
 I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
 The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
 When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to the 
 result.
 And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart it.
 But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
 Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
 /A
 
> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with 
> VO. It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and 
> Monterey did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve 
> come up with to work around it?
> 
> Kristeen
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the 
>> Mac? Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often 
>> says not responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever 
>> focus I might be in.
>> 
>> I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage 
>> my music.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Traci
>> 
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Re: Improving music app experience

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I’d normally think that it may possibly be my hand hitting the trackpad as 
well, but the question is then, why does it only happen in Mail, but not when 
I’m typing in TextEdit, Pages etc.  Again, it’s not all the time, just some 
inconvenient times :).

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 13:19, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> I have not experienced this issue either. I use an external keyboard. For 
> that matter other than the music issues, I’ve not   experienced some of the 
> others mentioned.
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 13:38, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t experience my cursor “jumping” when typing in macOS Monterey.
>> Could it be that your hand is inadvertently touching the TouchPad when you 
>> are typing? 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 13:03, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The thing that bugs me about Focus in Monterrey is how the cursor jumps 
>> around when I’m typing.  I’m always having to edit my emails because the 
>> cursor jumps to a different place in the message.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> The focus in general has gone worse.
>>> I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
>>> Regarding the music app I don’t know.
>>> I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
>>> The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
>>> When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to the 
>>> result.
>>> And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart it.
>>> But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
>>> Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
>>> /A
>>> 
 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
 
 I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with 
 VO. It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and 
 Monterey did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve come 
 up with to work around it?
 
 Kristeen
 
 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the 
> Mac? Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says 
> not responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus 
> I might be in.
> 
> I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage 
> my music.
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
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Re: Regarding adding a new card in apple wallet.

[Herbie Allen]

I have experienced this issue. I think the problem is that ApplePay is not 
quite like Paypal where the person doesn’t see the payment method you are 
using. I think it just prevents the card info from being on full display. Your 
store may not take that particular card to begin with and that’s why it won’t 
work. This has been my experience.

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 13:11, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> I really don’t understand  this.
> We have something here in Sweden called Klarna bank which you can do payments 
> with.
> I have added a card from them in the apple wallet and can use it with Apple 
> Pay.
> But it seems that Apple Store don’t use that card even if I have pre selected 
> this card.
> Does it take long to register a card in Apple store?
> Thanks bunches!
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Re: Improving music app experience

[Herbie Allen]

I have not experienced this issue either. I use an external keyboard. For that 
matter other than the music issues, I’ve not   experienced some of the others 
mentioned.

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 13:38, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I don’t experience my cursor “jumping” when typing in macOS Monterey.
> Could it be that your hand is inadvertently touching the TouchPad when you 
> are typing? 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 13:03, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> The thing that bugs me about Focus in Monterrey is how the cursor jumps 
> around when I’m typing.  I’m always having to edit my emails because the 
> cursor jumps to a different place in the message.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> The focus in general has gone worse.
>> I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
>> Regarding the music app I don’t know.
>> I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
>> The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
>> When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to the 
>> result.
>> And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart it.
>> But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
>> Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with 
>>> VO. It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and 
>>> Monterey did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve come 
>>> up with to work around it?
>>> 
>>> Kristeen
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the 
 Mac? Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says 
 not responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus I 
 might be in.
 
 I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage my 
 music.
 
 Thank you,
 Traci
 
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Re: Improving music app experience

[Les Kriegler]

I would agree with Brad‘s comments here. It is so easy to activate the 
touchpad. I pay attention to it and it still happens on occasion.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:14 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Correction to my shortcuts:
> 
> •cmd-left and cmd-right do the same as using just the left or right arrows.  
> The difference is that when you add the cmd key, the focus location within 
> the Music window is not as picky.
> • to fast-forward or rewind within a song, add the option key to the above.  
> That is, cmd-option-left or cmd-option-right.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:53, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When it comes to the Search field, I prefer keyboard shortcuts.  So, to 
>> search for something, press cmd-f.  This will automatically take you to the 
>> search field.  After entering your information, press return.  Often, VO 
>> will auto-jump over to the results.  If it doesn’t, try VO-j.
>> 
>> Some other hits for easier navigation and use:
>> 
>> • I change the view of my playlists to Song view as I find the columns that 
>> are created easier to navigate in/through.
>> • use VO-FN-left or VO-FN-right to quickly move to the first or last item in 
>> the Music window.  Sometimes, you need to hit the command twice.
>> • Use VO-cmd-t to quickly get to the sidebar table.
>> 
>> Know that there’s tons of keyboard shortcuts in the Music app.  Many of 
>> these are not commonly found in menus.
>> 
>> • space will play/pause the currently selected title.
>> • left/right arrow will do previous/next song.
>> • cmd-up or cmd-down will turn up/down the volume.
>> • press return to start playing when you’re focused on a song you wish to 
>> play.
>> • press cmd-right and hold to fast-forward within a song, cmd-left to rewind 
>> within.
>> 
>> Note that the above commands do not require VO keys at all, they are simply 
>> built-in Music media controls.  Also note that if you’ve moved out of the 
>> music app, or if you’ve brought VO focus to certain parts of the Music app 
>> screen, these commands may be unresponsive.  Just bring focus close to 
>> somewhere where the play button is and they’ll start working again.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:05, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> In regards to the  search, if you VO left back to the side bar and 
>>> interact, you can find the search field again and VO space which should let 
>>> you write.
>>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 The focus in general has gone worse.
 I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
 Regarding the music app I don’t know.
 I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
 The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
 When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to the 
 result.
 And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart it.
 But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
 Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
 /A
 
> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with 
> VO. It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and 
> Monterey did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve 
> come up with to work around it?
> 
> Kristeen
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the 
>> Mac? Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often 
>> says not responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever 
>> focus I might be in.
>> 
>> I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage 
>> my music.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Traci
>> 
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Re: Improving music app experience

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

For me, it doesn’t jump out of mail, it jumps to a different place in the 
message.
Donna


> On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:41 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> No “jumping” out of Mail while typing here.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 13:16, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This focus when typing problem seems to be primarily a Mail thing.  I don’t 
> have the jumping out of Safari or TextEdit, just Mail.
> 
> Later..
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 12:03, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The thing that bugs me about Focus in Monterrey is how the cursor jumps 
>> around when I’m typing.  I’m always having to edit my emails because the 
>> cursor jumps to a different place in the message.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> The focus in general has gone worse.
>>> I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
>>> Regarding the music app I don’t know.
>>> I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
>>> The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
>>> When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to the 
>>> result.
>>> And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart it.
>>> But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
>>> Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
>>> /A
>>> 
 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
 
 I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with 
 VO. It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and 
 Monterey did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve come 
 up with to work around it?
 
 Kristeen
 
 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the 
> Mac? Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says 
> not responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus 
> I might be in.
> 
> I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage 
> my music.
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
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Re: Improving music app experience

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

It’s possible, but I don’t think so.  I’ve tried to pay special attention to 
making sure that doesn’t happen.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:38 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I don’t experience my cursor “jumping” when typing in macOS Monterey.
> Could it be that your hand is inadvertently touching the TouchPad when you 
> are typing? 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 13:03, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> The thing that bugs me about Focus in Monterrey is how the cursor jumps 
> around when I’m typing.  I’m always having to edit my emails because the 
> cursor jumps to a different place in the message.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> The focus in general has gone worse.
>> I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
>> Regarding the music app I don’t know.
>> I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
>> The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
>> When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to the 
>> result.
>> And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart it.
>> But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
>> Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with 
>>> VO. It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and 
>>> Monterey did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve come 
>>> up with to work around it?
>>> 
>>> Kristeen
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the 
 Mac? Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says 
 not responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus I 
 might be in.
 
 I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage my 
 music.
 
 Thank you,
 Traci
 
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Re: Improving music app experience

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, I would agree with that.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:16 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This focus when typing problem seems to be primarily a Mail thing.  I don’t 
> have the jumping out of Safari or TextEdit, just Mail.
> 
> Later..
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 12:03, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The thing that bugs me about Focus in Monterrey is how the cursor jumps 
>> around when I’m typing.  I’m always having to edit my emails because the 
>> cursor jumps to a different place in the message.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> The focus in general has gone worse.
>>> I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
>>> Regarding the music app I don’t know.
>>> I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
>>> The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
>>> When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to the 
>>> result.
>>> And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart it.
>>> But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
>>> Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
>>> /A
>>> 
 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
 
 I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with 
 VO. It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and 
 Monterey did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve come 
 up with to work around it?
 
 Kristeen
 
 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the 
> Mac? Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says 
> not responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus 
> I might be in.
> 
> I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage 
> my music.
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
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Re: Improving music app experience

[Brad Snyder]

No “jumping” out of Mail while typing here.

- Brad -




On Feb 3, 2022, at 13:16, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

This focus when typing problem seems to be primarily a Mail thing.  I don’t 
have the jumping out of Safari or TextEdit, just Mail.

Later..


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 12:03, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> The thing that bugs me about Focus in Monterrey is how the cursor jumps 
> around when I’m typing.  I’m always having to edit my emails because the 
> cursor jumps to a different place in the message.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> The focus in general has gone worse.
>> I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
>> Regarding the music app I don’t know.
>> I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
>> The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
>> When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to the 
>> result.
>> And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart it.
>> But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
>> Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with 
>>> VO. It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and 
>>> Monterey did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve come 
>>> up with to work around it?
>>> 
>>> Kristeen
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the 
 Mac? Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says 
 not responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus I 
 might be in.
 
 I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage my 
 music.
 
 Thank you,
 Traci
 
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Re: Improving music app experience

[Brad Snyder]

I don’t experience my cursor “jumping” when typing in macOS Monterey.
Could it be that your hand is inadvertently touching the TouchPad when you are 
typing? 

- Brad -




On Feb 3, 2022, at 13:03, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

The thing that bugs me about Focus in Monterrey is how the cursor jumps around 
when I’m typing.  I’m always having to edit my emails because the cursor jumps 
to a different place in the message.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> The focus in general has gone worse.
> I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
> Regarding the music app I don’t know.
> I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
> The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
> When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to the 
> result.
> And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart it.
> But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
> Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
> /A
> 
>> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with VO. 
>> It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and 
>> Monterey did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve come 
>> up with to work around it?
>> 
>> Kristeen
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the Mac? 
>>> Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says not 
>>> responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus I 
>>> might be in.
>>> 
>>> I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage my 
>>> music.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> Traci
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Re: Improving music app experience

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I guess apple accessibility is aware of the issue.
There’s a bunch of things to be fixed now in  both iOS and macOs.
/A

> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 20:03 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> The thing that bugs me about Focus in Monterrey is how the cursor jumps 
> around when I’m typing.  I’m always having to edit my emails because the 
> cursor jumps to a different place in the message.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> The focus in general has gone worse.
>> I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
>> Regarding the music app I don’t know.
>> I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
>> The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
>> When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to the 
>> result.
>> And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart it.
>> But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
>> Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with 
>>> VO. It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and 
>>> Monterey did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve come 
>>> up with to work around it?
>>> 
>>> Kristeen
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the 
 Mac? Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says 
 not responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus I 
 might be in.
 
 I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage my 
 music.
 
 Thank you,
 Traci
 
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Re: Improving music app experience

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

This focus when typing problem seems to be primarily a Mail thing.  I don’t 
have the jumping out of Safari or TextEdit, just Mail.

Later..


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 12:03, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> The thing that bugs me about Focus in Monterrey is how the cursor jumps 
> around when I’m typing.  I’m always having to edit my emails because the 
> cursor jumps to a different place in the message.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> The focus in general has gone worse.
>> I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
>> Regarding the music app I don’t know.
>> I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
>> The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
>> When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to the 
>> result.
>> And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart it.
>> But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
>> Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with 
>>> VO. It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and 
>>> Monterey did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve come 
>>> up with to work around it?
>>> 
>>> Kristeen
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the 
 Mac? Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says 
 not responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus I 
 might be in.
 
 I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage my 
 music.
 
 Thank you,
 Traci
 
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Re: Improving music app experience

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Thanks bunches for that Tim.
I know you can do a web search for all shortcuts but I am a lazy guy sadly.
/A

> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 19:53 skrev 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When it comes to the Search field, I prefer keyboard shortcuts.  So, to 
> search for something, press cmd-f.  This will automatically take you to the 
> search field.  After entering your information, press return.  Often, VO will 
> auto-jump over to the results.  If it doesn’t, try VO-j.
> 
> Some other hits for easier navigation and use:
> 
> • I change the view of my playlists to Song view as I find the columns that 
> are created easier to navigate in/through.
> • use VO-FN-left or VO-FN-right to quickly move to the first or last item in 
> the Music window.  Sometimes, you need to hit the command twice.
> • Use VO-cmd-t to quickly get to the sidebar table.
> 
> Know that there’s tons of keyboard shortcuts in the Music app.  Many of these 
> are not commonly found in menus.
> 
> • space will play/pause the currently selected title.
> • left/right arrow will do previous/next song.
> • cmd-up or cmd-down will turn up/down the volume.
> • press return to start playing when you’re focused on a song you wish to 
> play.
> • press cmd-right and hold to fast-forward within a song, cmd-left to rewind 
> within.
> 
> Note that the above commands do not require VO keys at all, they are simply 
> built-in Music media controls.  Also note that if you’ve moved out of the 
> music app, or if you’ve brought VO focus to certain parts of the Music app 
> screen, these commands may be unresponsive.  Just bring focus close to 
> somewhere where the play button is and they’ll start working again.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:05, Herbie Allen > > wrote:
>> 
>> In regards to the  search, if you VO left back to the side bar and interact, 
>> you can find the search field again and VO space which should let you write.
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> The focus in general has gone worse.
>>> I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
>>> Regarding the music app I don’t know.
>>> I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
>>> The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
>>> When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to the 
>>> result.
>>> And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart it.
>>> But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
>>> Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
>>> /A
>>> 
 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
 
 I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with 
 VO. It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and 
 Monterey did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve come 
 up with to work around it?
 
 Kristeen
 
 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the 
> Mac? Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says 
> not responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus 
> I might be in.
> 
> I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage 
> my music.
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
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Re: Improving music app experience

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Correction to my shortcuts:

•cmd-left and cmd-right do the same as using just the left or right arrows.  
The difference is that when you add the cmd key, the focus location within the 
Music window is not as picky.
• to fast-forward or rewind within a song, add the option key to the above.  
That is, cmd-option-left or cmd-option-right.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:53, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When it comes to the Search field, I prefer keyboard shortcuts.  So, to 
> search for something, press cmd-f.  This will automatically take you to the 
> search field.  After entering your information, press return.  Often, VO will 
> auto-jump over to the results.  If it doesn’t, try VO-j.
> 
> Some other hits for easier navigation and use:
> 
> • I change the view of my playlists to Song view as I find the columns that 
> are created easier to navigate in/through.
> • use VO-FN-left or VO-FN-right to quickly move to the first or last item in 
> the Music window.  Sometimes, you need to hit the command twice.
> • Use VO-cmd-t to quickly get to the sidebar table.
> 
> Know that there’s tons of keyboard shortcuts in the Music app.  Many of these 
> are not commonly found in menus.
> 
> • space will play/pause the currently selected title.
> • left/right arrow will do previous/next song.
> • cmd-up or cmd-down will turn up/down the volume.
> • press return to start playing when you’re focused on a song you wish to 
> play.
> • press cmd-right and hold to fast-forward within a song, cmd-left to rewind 
> within.
> 
> Note that the above commands do not require VO keys at all, they are simply 
> built-in Music media controls.  Also note that if you’ve moved out of the 
> music app, or if you’ve brought VO focus to certain parts of the Music app 
> screen, these commands may be unresponsive.  Just bring focus close to 
> somewhere where the play button is and they’ll start working again.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:05, Herbie Allen > > wrote:
>> 
>> In regards to the  search, if you VO left back to the side bar and interact, 
>> you can find the search field again and VO space which should let you write.
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> The focus in general has gone worse.
>>> I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
>>> Regarding the music app I don’t know.
>>> I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
>>> The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
>>> When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to the 
>>> result.
>>> And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart it.
>>> But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
>>> Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
>>> /A
>>> 
 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
 
 I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with 
 VO. It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and 
 Monterey did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve come 
 up with to work around it?
 
 Kristeen
 
 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the 
> Mac? Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says 
> not responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus 
> I might be in.
> 
> I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage 
> my music.
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
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Regarding adding a new card in apple wallet.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hello!
I really don’t understand  this.
We have something here in Sweden called Klarna bank which you can do payments 
with.
I have added a card from them in the apple wallet and can use it with Apple Pay.
But it seems that Apple Store don’t use that card even if I have pre selected 
this card.
Does it take long to register a card in Apple store?
Thanks bunches!
/A

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Re: Improving music app experience

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

The thing that bugs me about Focus in Monterrey is how the cursor jumps around 
when I’m typing.  I’m always having to edit my emails because the cursor jumps 
to a different place in the message.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> The focus in general has gone worse.
> I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
> Regarding the music app I don’t know.
> I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
> The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
> When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to the 
> result.
> And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart it.
> But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
> Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
> /A
> 
>> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with VO. 
>> It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and 
>> Monterey did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve come 
>> up with to work around it?
>> 
>> Kristeen
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the Mac? 
>>> Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says not 
>>> responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus I 
>>> might be in.
>>> 
>>> I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage my 
>>> music.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> Traci
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Re: Improving music app experience

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

When it comes to the Search field, I prefer keyboard shortcuts.  So, to search 
for something, press cmd-f.  This will automatically take you to the search 
field.  After entering your information, press return.  Often, VO will 
auto-jump over to the results.  If it doesn’t, try VO-j.

Some other hits for easier navigation and use:

• I change the view of my playlists to Song view as I find the columns that are 
created easier to navigate in/through.
• use VO-FN-left or VO-FN-right to quickly move to the first or last item in 
the Music window.  Sometimes, you need to hit the command twice.
• Use VO-cmd-t to quickly get to the sidebar table.

Know that there’s tons of keyboard shortcuts in the Music app.  Many of these 
are not commonly found in menus.

• space will play/pause the currently selected title.
• left/right arrow will do previous/next song.
• cmd-up or cmd-down will turn up/down the volume.
• press return to start playing when you’re focused on a song you wish to play.
• press cmd-right and hold to fast-forward within a song, cmd-left to rewind 
within.

Note that the above commands do not require VO keys at all, they are simply 
built-in Music media controls.  Also note that if you’ve moved out of the music 
app, or if you’ve brought VO focus to certain parts of the Music app screen, 
these commands may be unresponsive.  Just bring focus close to somewhere where 
the play button is and they’ll start working again.

HTH.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:05, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> In regards to the  search, if you VO left back to the side bar and interact, 
> you can find the search field again and VO space which should let you write.
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> The focus in general has gone worse.
>> I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
>> Regarding the music app I don’t know.
>> I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
>> The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
>> When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to the 
>> result.
>> And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart it.
>> But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
>> Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with 
>>> VO. It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and 
>>> Monterey did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve come 
>>> up with to work around it?
>>> 
>>> Kristeen
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the 
 Mac? Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says 
 not responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus I 
 might be in.
 
 I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage my 
 music.
 
 Thank you,
 Traci
 
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Re: Improving music app experience

[Herbie Allen]

In regards to the  search, if you VO left back to the side bar and interact, 
you can find the search field again and VO space which should let you write.

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> The focus in general has gone worse.
> I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
> Regarding the music app I don’t know.
> I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
> The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
> When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to the 
> result.
> And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart it.
> But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
> Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
> /A
> 
>> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with VO. 
>> It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and 
>> Monterey did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve come 
>> up with to work around it?
>> 
>> Kristeen
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the Mac? 
>>> Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says not 
>>> responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus I 
>>> might be in.
>>> 
>>> I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage my 
>>> music.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
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Re: Improving music app experience

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
The focus in general has gone worse.
I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
Regarding the music app I don’t know.
I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to the 
result.
And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart it.
But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
/A

> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with VO. 
> It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and Monterey 
> did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve come up with to 
> work around it?
> 
> Kristeen
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the Mac? 
>> Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says not 
>> responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus I might 
>> be in.
>> 
>> I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage my 
>> music.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Traci
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Re: Free Tutorials on Using Reaper on Mac and Windows

[Kathryn Zodrow]

Hi Cliff. Yes, ProTools is accessible with voiceover. I have not used it for 
podcasts, but you can  definitely use it for creating and mixing audio  tracks 
and creating music. I haven’t used Garage Band in a while, so I’m not sure how 
accessible it is. I would like to use Garage Band again and  Logic. I haven’t 
used Logic before. What software are you using for creating podcasts?
Hope this helps.
Katie


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> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:01 AM, Kliph  wrote:
> 
>  Is pro tools accessible? I thought it was just for mixing and creating 
> music tracks, can you edit audio for podcasts with pro tools?  Is pro tools 
> better than Logic Pro?  Thanks.
> 
> Follow my Podcast and Youtube Channels where you will find a variety of great 
> shows to listen to
> My Christian Show, Sports Talk show, TechTalk show.
> Also our MacOS12, And IOS15 play lists with great step by step tutorials
> You can always Follow us on Twitter or email us with topic ideas that you 
> want to hear
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> 
>>> On Feb 2, 2022, at 3:24 PM, Kathryn Zodrow  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the link for the Reaper tutorials. I’ll check it out. I’ve never 
>>> used the software before, I’m more familiar with ProTools. That’s cool you 
>>> can use it on both Mac and windows. :-)
>>> Katie
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 2, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Okay,
>>> I can’t tell you how many times I’ve done that, smile.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Herbie Allen
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 10:58 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Free Tutorials on Using Reaper on Mac and Windows
>>>  
>>> It’s all good. I was quickly browsing through email and mis-heard my VO.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 2, 2022, at 09:26, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>>>  
>>> It is for Reaper.
>>> Sorry for any confusion.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Herbie Allen
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 10:25 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Free Tutorials on Using Reaper on Mac and Windows
>>>  
>>> Wait, is this something on Reaper or Uber? Confused?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2022, at 20:15, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>>>  
>>> I love it when we can use software on Windows and Mac.
>>> http://www.theglobalvoice.info/reaper/
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Re: Improving music app experience

[Herbie Allen]

I use VO J a lot and that can help, but most of what you are experiencing like 
the not responding are bugs Apple needs to address.

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 10:48, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with VO. 
> It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and Monterey 
> did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve come up with to 
> work around it?
> 
> Kristeen
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the Mac? 
>> Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says not 
>> responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus I might 
>> be in.
>> 
>> I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage my 
>> music.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Traci
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Re: Improving music app experience

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with VO. It 
used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and Monterey did 
nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve come up with to work 
around it?

Kristeen


> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the Mac? 
> Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says not 
> responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus I might 
> be in.
> 
> I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage my 
> music.
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
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Improving music app experience

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all,

Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the Mac? 
Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says not 
responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus I might be 
in.

I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage my 
music.

Thank you,
Traci

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Re: Free Tutorials on Using Reaper on Mac and Windows

[Kliph]

Is pro tools accessible? I thought it was just for mixing and creating music 
tracks, can you edit audio for podcasts with pro tools?  Is pro tools better 
than Logic Pro?  Thanks.

Follow my Podcast 
 and 
Youtube  Channels where 
you will find a variety of great shows to listen to
My Christian Show 
,
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, 
TechTalk show 
.
Also our MacOS12 
, And 
IOS15  
play lists with great step by step tutorials
You can always Follow us on Twitter  or email 
us  with topic ideas that you want to 
hear
Follow the show you like, or the entire channel 
  to 
be entertained on demand!

> On Feb 2, 2022, at 3:24 PM, Kathryn Zodrow  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the link for the Reaper tutorials. I’ll check it out. I’ve never 
> used the software before, I’m more familiar with ProTools. That’s cool you 
> can use it on both Mac and windows. :-)
> Katie
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 2, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Okay,
>> I can’t tell you how many times I’ve done that, smile.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Herbie Allen
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 10:58 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Free Tutorials on Using Reaper on Mac and Windows
>>  
>> It’s all good. I was quickly browsing through email and mis-heard my VO.
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 2, 2022, at 09:26, Rebecca Skipper > > wrote:
>>  
>> It is for Reaper.
>> Sorry for any confusion.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Herbie Allen
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 10:25 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Free Tutorials on Using Reaper on Mac and Windows
>>  
>> Wait, is this something on Reaper or Uber? Confused?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 1, 2022, at 20:15, Rebecca Skipper > > wrote:
>>  
>> I love it when we can use software on Windows and Mac.
>> http://www.theglobalvoice.info/reaper/ 
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