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Re: What is Launchpad?

2022-11-03 Thread Bradford Snyder

If you put your VoiceOver focus on the Launchpad item in the Dock, and then 
open the Shortcut menu, you will get an alphabetical list of all applications 
on your Mac.  You can then select an application from the list, and use either 
VO + Spacebar, or press Enter, to launch the app.

- Brad -

On Nov 3, 2022, at 23:16, Herbie Allen  wrote:

I think it’s a visual control panel for launching apps.

> On Nov 3, 2022, at 20:27, Mohammad Fazil  wrote:
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> group!
> May I know what is Launchpad and what does it do, please?
> thanks!
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Re: What is Launchpad?

2022-11-03 Thread Herbie Allen

I think it’s a visual control panel for launching apps.

> On Nov 3, 2022, at 20:27, Mohammad Fazil  wrote:
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Re: airdrop

2022-11-03 Thread Dave Carlson

I suspect that you are restricted to Apple device dropping to another Apple 
device, both with AirDrop enabled.

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On Nov 3, 2022, at 5:51 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I’m trying to get airdrop to work in Catalina. I pressed command-shift-r and 
got the airdrop menu. Vo says “Collection” and then empty region. How do I tell 
it where to drop things? Also, is it possible to do it with my own computer or 
do I need to do it from device to device? I’m trying to send drops to my 
downloads folder. 

thanks.
Lorie

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What is Launchpad?

2022-11-03 Thread Mohammad Fazil

group!
May I know what is Launchpad and what does it do, please?
thanks!

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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

2022-11-03 Thread Mohammad Fazil

I have done it successfully too! thanks to all who helped us.
Thanks!

On Nov 3, 2022, at 5:39 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I am creating that commander to mute speech as I write.  This is a good review 
for me, but if I say something wrong, I hope someone will set the record 
straight.

Go to VO Utility, VO F8.
Find the categories table and navigate down to commanders.  Once you have 
opened commanders, you will first see numpad, which is selected by default.  
Navigate to the right to keyboard and VO space on it.

Navigate past the Quick Nav commander to the checkbox that says enable keyboard 
commander and make sure it is checked.
The next control is for the key you will use.  I think that right option is the 
default, but the other choices are left option key and both option keys.  This 
is a popup where you VO space, navigate to the choice you want, and VO space.  
Which one you choose depends on whether you will ever need to use any of the 
other keyboard commands that use the left option key.

After this you will find the table that contains all the keyboard commanders 
that exist so far.  The table contains two columns, one for the keystroke 
itself on the left and the other for the command you want to perform with that 
keystroke.  To use the commander, you will type that keystroke along with the 
modifier key you chose for the commander.  For example, if you chose left and 
right option keys, you would be able to press either option key plus the key 
you have assigned.  If you have never looked at this table, it would not hurt 
to just examine it before you add the commander.

Beyond the table is the add button, which you will press to create the 
commander.

Once you press the add button, you will see  two columns.  The first column 
will be blank until you enter a keystroke for your new commander.  The column 
on the right is a menu button, where you will select the action you want the 
commander to perform.  This menu opens to the right, and the commands are 
groups into a number of categories that are worth examining at some point.  In 
this example, you need the speech category, so you will arrow to the right and 
locate this.  Press VO space or enter, I believe either will work.  If the key 
you entered is already in use, you will be warned that the commander could not 
be created and put back into the fields.  The left column for the keystroke 
will be blank, but the action you chose will still be in the right column, and 
you can just write a new key for it.

This is one of those procedures that looks and sounds much more difficult than 
it actually is.  But doing some practice runs is still a very good idea.  The 
list of commands that can be chosen is quite extensive, and it might take a 
while to feel oriented in this very long list.  But first letter navigation can 
be used once you know where to find things.  Again, it is easy, but it is 
better not to create the first one when you are in a big hurry.

Hope there are no mistakes in here.

On Nov 3, 2022, at 2:50 PM, Mohammad Fazil  wrote:

Somebody has sent step-by-step instructions for adding Commander shortcut. I 
have deleted that message by mistake. Could someone, please, sent message to my 
personal email at:

mfa...@outlook.com

Thanks!
On Nov 3, 2022, at 10:58 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Yes, this does often work.
Devin Prater
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On Nov 3, 2022, at 12:43 PM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

When VoiceOver just keeps going on and on, even though you have pressed the 
control key. Try pressing the caps lock key. that should make it hush.
Rob


On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:22 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I wrote to Apple about the problem with not being able to mute speech in 
mailboxes when viewing messages with two or more lines showing.  This is one of 
the situations where using the control key just doesn’t work.  They said they 
had been able to replicate the problem.  In the meantime, I will create the 
commander because I don’t want to go back to not viewing any of the message, 
which was the work-around solution they proposed to me.


On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:24 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Using the control key has always worked for me. Many times when I am carrying 
out a task, I do not always need to hear what VO is saying. Muting speech at 
such times is not an option whereas pausing speech is.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
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On 11/3/2022 9:17 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Yes, I’ve experienced this too.
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com
Https://write.as/devinprater
On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

In my experience it does not always pause what VO is speaking in the moment.
Cheers,
Donna

On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:13 AM, 'E.T.' via

airdrop

2022-11-03 Thread Lorie McCloud

I’m trying to get airdrop to work in Catalina. I pressed command-shift-r and 
got the airdrop menu. Vo says “Collection” and then empty region. How do I tell 
it where to drop things? Also, is it possible to do it with my own computer or 
do I need to do it from device to device? I’m trying to send drops to my 
downloads folder. 

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

2022-11-03 Thread 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries

I am creating that commander to mute speech as I write.  This is a good review 
for me, but if I say something wrong, I hope someone will set the record 
straight.

Go to VO Utility, VO F8.
Find the categories table and navigate down to commanders.  Once you have 
opened commanders, you will first see numpad, which is selected by default.  
Navigate to the right to keyboard and VO space on it.

Navigate past the Quick Nav commander to the checkbox that says enable keyboard 
commander and make sure it is checked.  
The next control is for the key you will use.  I think that right option is the 
default, but the other choices are left option key and both option keys.  This 
is a popup where you VO space, navigate to the choice you want, and VO space.  
Which one you choose depends on whether you will ever need to use any of the 
other keyboard commands that use the left option key. 

After this you will find the table that contains all the keyboard commanders 
that exist so far.  The table contains two columns, one for the keystroke 
itself on the left and the other for the command you want to perform with that 
keystroke.  To use the commander, you will type that keystroke along with the 
modifier key you chose for the commander.  For example, if you chose left and 
right option keys, you would be able to press either option key plus the key 
you have assigned.  If you have never looked at this table, it would not hurt 
to just examine it before you add the commander.

Beyond the table is the add button, which you will press to create the 
commander.

Once you press the add button, you will see  two columns.  The first column 
will be blank until you enter a keystroke for your new commander.  The column 
on the right is a menu button, where you will select the action you want the 
commander to perform.  This menu opens to the right, and the commands are 
groups into a number of categories that are worth examining at some point.  In 
this example, you need the speech category, so you will arrow to the right and 
locate this.  Press VO space or enter, I believe either will work.  If the key 
you entered is already in use, you will be warned that the commander could not 
be created and put back into the fields.  The left column for the keystroke 
will be blank, but the action you chose will still be in the right column, and 
you can just write a new key for it. 

This is one of those procedures that looks and sounds much more difficult than 
it actually is.  But doing some practice runs is still a very good idea.  The 
list of commands that can be chosen is quite extensive, and it might take a 
while to feel oriented in this very long list.  But first letter navigation can 
be used once you know where to find things.  Again, it is easy, but it is 
better not to create the first one when you are in a big hurry.

Hope there are no mistakes in here.

On Nov 3, 2022, at 2:50 PM, Mohammad Fazil  wrote:
> 
> Somebody has sent step-by-step instructions for adding Commander shortcut. I 
> have deleted that message by mistake. Could someone, please, sent message to 
> my personal email at:
> 
> mfa...@outlook.com
> 
> Thanks!
>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 10:58 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, this does often work.
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com
>> 
>> Https://write.as/devinprater
>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 12:43 PM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When VoiceOver just keeps going on and on, even though you have pressed the 
>>> control key. Try pressing the caps lock key. that should make it hush.
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:22 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:

 I wrote to Apple about the problem with not being able to mute speech in 
 mailboxes when viewing messages with two or more lines showing.  This is 
 one of the situations where using the control key just doesn’t work.  They 
 said they had been able to replicate the problem.  In the meantime, I will 
 create the commander because I don’t want to go back to not viewing any of 
 the message, which was the work-around solution they proposed to me.

> On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:24 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Using the control key has always worked for me. Many times when I am 
> carrying out a task, I do not always need to hear what VO is saying. 
> Muting speech at such times is not an option whereas pausing speech is.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 11/3/2022 9:17 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Yes, I’ve experienced this too.
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com
>> Https://write.as/devinprater
>>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:

Re: iOS/iPadOS 16.1

2022-11-03 Thread Scott Davert

Hi E.T. I have recently used iOS 16.1 and the 16.2 beta with a Focus
40 5th generation without any trouble. Have you tried resetting all
settings? I'm not sure if iOS 16 back-ups work under 16.1, but if they
are, why not give it a try? Please let us know how it goes.

Wishing you the best of luck,
Scott

On 11/2/22, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> That might resolve the issue.
> I haven’t  tried this since I am on beta testing so I can’t say.
> /A
>
>> 2 nov. 2022 kl. 18:04 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>> :
>>
>>   My braille display was connected to both devices and working until the
>> above mentioned updates.
>>
>>   Now I wonder if restoring from a backup will reinstall the OS? Or
>> perhaps simply doing the restore will correct the issues. If anyone is
>> using the Focus 40 Blue 5th braille display, opinions will be
>> appreciated.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: Is there any way to set my phone so that the lock button hangs up phone calls?

2022-11-03 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

Lol. Well, glad I’m not the only one.  I just prefer it as a way to end calls, 
because when I two-finger double-tap, my phone starts playing music, which 
isn’t always appropriate if I’m in a quiet or professional environment.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Nov 3, 2022, at 2:54 PM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> It's never worked for me either. Even if I dump VoiceOver, it isn't
> ending the call here. Good thing I don't like to hang up on people I
> guess, though I hardly make phone calls these days anyway.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 11/3/22, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>> Thanks for posting this.  I will report it to Apple Accessibility as well.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2022, at 11:36 PM, Shai  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> This feature has not worked for me since the release of iOS 16. It was
>>> indicated to Apple Accessibility and I was hoping that the feature
>>> would be fixed so that it did work.
>>> This feature does not seem to work for me on either an iPhone10-r or
>>> iPhone13 pro.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/2/22, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
 Interesting.  It was already set to off.  I’ve tried toggling it on and
 off
 again, hopefully that will fix it.  Thanks, Janet.
 Donna
 
 
> On Nov 2, 2022, at 5:07 PM, Janet Ingber 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> Go to Settings/Accessibility/Touch/Prevent Lock to End Call. This is a
> toggle switch.
> Best,
> Janet
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2022, at 5:53 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I know there are people who hate that feature, but I actually want
>> pressing the side button to end a call.  That does not happen on my
>> Phone.  I’ve looked in Settings under physical and Motor, but don’t see
>> a
>> setting there that governs that behavior.  Does anyone know how I can
>> set
>> my phone so that pressing the side button ends a call?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Is there any way to set my phone so that the lock button hangs up phone calls?

2022-11-03 Thread Scott Davert

It's never worked for me either. Even if I dump VoiceOver, it isn't
ending the call here. Good thing I don't like to hang up on people I
guess, though I hardly make phone calls these days anyway.

Scott

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> Thanks for posting this.  I will report it to Apple Accessibility as well.
> Best,
> Donna
>
>> On Nov 2, 2022, at 11:36 PM, Shai  wrote:
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>> Hello,
>> This feature has not worked for me since the release of iOS 16. It was
>> indicated to Apple Accessibility and I was hoping that the feature
>> would be fixed so that it did work.
>> This feature does not seem to work for me on either an iPhone10-r or
>> iPhone13 pro.
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>>
>> On 11/2/22, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> Interesting.  It was already set to off.  I’ve tried toggling it on and
>>> off
>>> again, hopefully that will fix it.  Thanks, Janet.
>>> Donna
>>>
>>>
 On Nov 2, 2022, at 5:07 PM, Janet Ingber 
 wrote:

 Hi Donna,
 Go to Settings/Accessibility/Touch/Prevent Lock to End Call. This is a
 toggle switch.
 Best,
 Janet

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> Hi all,
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> I know there are people who hate that feature, but I actually want
> pressing the side button to end a call.  That does not happen on my
> Phone.  I’ve looked in Settings under physical and Motor, but don’t see
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

2022-11-03 Thread Mohammad Fazil

Somebody has sent step-by-step instructions for adding Commander shortcut. I
have deleted that message by mistake. Could someone, please, sent message to my
personal email at:

mfa...@outlook.com

Thanks!
On Nov 3, 2022, at 10:58 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries
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Yes, this does often work.
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On Nov 3, 2022, at 12:43 PM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries
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When VoiceOver just keeps going on and on, even though you have pressed the
control key. Try pressing the caps lock key. that should make it hush.
Rob

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I wrote to Apple about the problem with not being able to mute speech in
mailboxes when viewing messages with two or more lines showing. This is one of
the situations where using the control key just doesn’t work. They said they
had been able to replicate the problem. In the meantime, I will create the
commander because I don’t want to go back to not viewing any of the message,
which was the work-around solution they proposed to me.

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wrote:

Using the control key has always worked for me. Many times when I am carrying
out a task, I do not always need to hear what VO is saying. Muting speech at
such times is not an option whereas pausing speech is.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/3/2022 9:17 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Yes, I’ve experienced this too.
Devin Prater
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Https://write.as/devinprater
On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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In my experience it does not always pause what VO is speaking in the moment.
Cheers,
Donna

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wrote:

The control key does exactly what is is supposed to do. It "pauses" what
Voiceover is speaking at the moment. It will not pause what VO speaks next.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/3/2022 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Tapping control only works for me some of the time. I frequently have to tap
it more than once. It’s still handy, just not 100% reliable.
Cheers,
Donna
On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:04 AM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
wrote:

Hi,

Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
I have been doing it for years.
I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the escape key.
I will look for my notes on how to do it.
Thanks,
Rob

On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:30 AM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hi, Group.
Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
Thanks!

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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

2022-11-03 Thread 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries

Yes, this does often work.
Devin Prater
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> On Nov 3, 2022, at 12:43 PM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> When VoiceOver just keeps going on and on, even though you have pressed the 
> control key. Try pressing the caps lock key. that should make it hush.
> Rob
> 
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:22 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I wrote to Apple about the problem with not being able to mute speech in 
>> mailboxes when viewing messages with two or more lines showing.  This is one 
>> of the situations where using the control key just doesn’t work.  They said 
>> they had been able to replicate the problem.  In the meantime, I will create 
>> the commander because I don’t want to go back to not viewing any of the 
>> message, which was the work-around solution they proposed to me.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:24 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Using the control key has always worked for me. Many times when I am 
>>> carrying out a task, I do not always need to hear what VO is saying. Muting 
>>> speech at such times is not an option whereas pausing speech is.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 11/3/2022 9:17 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 Yes, I’ve experienced this too.
 Devin Prater
 d.pra...@me.com
 Https://write.as/devinprater
> On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> In my experience it does not always pause what VO is speaking in the 
> moment.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:13 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The control key does exactly what is is supposed to do. It "pauses" what 
>> Voiceover is speaking at the moment. It will not pause what VO speaks 
>> next.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 11/3/2022 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Tapping control only works for me some of the time.  I frequently have 
>>> to tap it more than once.  It’s still handy, just not 100% reliable.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:04 AM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
 But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
 I have been doing it for years.
 I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
 I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the 
 escape key.
 I will look for my notes on how to do it.
 Thanks,
 Rob
 
 
 
> On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:30 AM, Fazil M.  > wrote:
> 
> Hi, Group.
> Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
> I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
> Thanks!
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

2022-11-03 Thread Mohammad Fazil

Thanks much, I found it now. When I press Function Key with F10, it mutes my
speech.
Thanks again.

On Nov 2, 2022, at 10:49 PM, Bradford Snyder wrote:

F10 mutes system volume.
This is not the same as muting VoiceOver speech.

- Brad -

On Nov 3, 2022, at 00:40, Lorie McCloud
mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Brad, I can mute my speech on my Mac with F10 press same key again to unmute.

On Nov 3, 2022, at 12:35 AM, Bradford Snyder
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

No, there is no keyboard command to mute speech.
This can only be done using the trackpad.

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Hi, Group.
Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
Thanks!

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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

2022-11-03 Thread 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries

I wrote to Apple about the problem with not being able to mute speech in 
mailboxes when viewing messages with two or more lines showing.  This is one of 
the situations where using the control key just doesn’t work.  They said they 
had been able to replicate the problem.  In the meantime, I will create the 
commander because I don’t want to go back to not viewing any of the message, 
which was the work-around solution they proposed to me.


> On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:24 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Using the control key has always worked for me. Many times when I am 
> carrying out a task, I do not always need to hear what VO is saying. Muting 
> speech at such times is not an option whereas pausing speech is.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 11/3/2022 9:17 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Yes, I’ve experienced this too.
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com
>> Https://write.as/devinprater
>>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> In my experience it does not always pause what VO is speaking in the moment.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:13 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
  The control key does exactly what is is supposed to do. It "pauses" what 
 Voiceover is speaking at the moment. It will not pause what VO speaks next.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
 will make violent revolution inevitable."
 --John F. Kennedy
 My e-Mail:
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 11/3/2022 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Tapping control only works for me some of the time.  I frequently have to 
> tap it more than once.  It’s still handy, just not 100% reliable.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:04 AM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
>> But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
>> I have been doing it for years.
>> I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
>> I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the 
>> escape key.
>> I will look for my notes on how to do it.
>> Thanks,
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:30 AM, Fazil M. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Group.
>>> Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
>>> I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
>>> Thanks!
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

2022-11-03 Thread Mohammad Fazil

Thanks much! do I have to do something else prior to pressing F10? The reason I 
am asking this is that when I press F10, it gives me an error blip sound.
Thanks again.
On Nov 2, 2022, at 10:41 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

Yes. F10 does this.

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Hi, Group.
Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
Thanks!


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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

2022-11-03 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries

Using the control key has always worked for me. Many times when I am
carrying out a task, I do not always need to hear what VO is saying.
Muting speech at such times is not an option whereas pausing speech is.

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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
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On 11/3/2022 9:17 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Yes, I’ve experienced this too.
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On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
wrote:

In my experience it does not always pause what VO is speaking in the
moment.

Cheers,
Donna

On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:13 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
wrote:

The control key does exactly what is is supposed to do. It "pauses"
what Voiceover is speaking at the moment. It will not pause what VO
speaks next.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

Cheers,
Donna
On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:04 AM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries
> wrote:

Hi,

I will look for my notes on how to do it.
Thanks,
Rob

On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:30 AM, Fazil M. > wrote:

Hi, Group.
Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
Thanks!

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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

2022-11-03 Thread 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries

Yes, I’ve experienced this too.
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> On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> In my experience it does not always pause what VO is speaking in the moment.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:13 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  The control key does exactly what is is supposed to do. It "pauses" what 
>> Voiceover is speaking at the moment. It will not pause what VO speaks next.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 11/3/2022 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Tapping control only works for me some of the time.  I frequently have to 
>>> tap it more than once.  It’s still handy, just not 100% reliable.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:04 AM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
 But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
 I have been doing it for years.
 I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
 I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the escape 
 key.
 I will look for my notes on how to do it.
 Thanks,
 Rob
 
 
 
> On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:30 AM, Fazil M.  > wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
> I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
> Thanks!
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

2022-11-03 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

In my experience it does not always pause what VO is speaking in the moment.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:13 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   The control key does exactly what is is supposed to do. It "pauses" what 
> Voiceover is speaking at the moment. It will not pause what VO speaks next.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 11/3/2022 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Tapping control only works for me some of the time.  I frequently have to 
>> tap it more than once.  It’s still handy, just not 100% reliable.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:04 AM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
>>> But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
>>> I have been doing it for years.
>>> I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
>>> I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the escape 
>>> key.
>>> I will look for my notes on how to do it.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:30 AM, Fazil M. >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi, Group.
 Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
 I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
 Thanks!
 
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

2022-11-03 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries

The control key does exactly what is is supposed to do. It "pauses"
what Voiceover is speaking at the moment. It will not pause what VO
speaks next.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

Cheers,
Donna

On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:04 AM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries
> wrote:

Hi,

I will look for my notes on how to do it.
Thanks,
Rob

On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:30 AM, Fazil M. > wrote:

Hi, Group.
Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
Thanks!

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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

2022-11-03 Thread Dave Carlson

Rob,
Very nice. Thanks for the step-by-step.

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On Nov 3, 2022, at 8:36 AM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
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OK, here are the instructions to add a commander to mute speech.
To setup a commander  to toggle the mute speech for VoiceOver, first open 
voiceover utility with vo f 8 that  is control option f 8.  Next press command 
8 to jump to commanders. 
Next  vo right arrow to the keyboard tab and then press vo space bar on it. 
Next tab to the add button, and hit VO Space. 
Next type the letter you want to use along with the right option key. 
Note, I had to press VO space before I could type in the edit field.
Next vo right arrow to the command menu button and then press space bar on it. 
Next  press the down arrow key to find speech,
 and then press the right arrow to open it. 
Next press down arrow to find Mute  speech toggle and press enter.
Good Luck!
Rob



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> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Hi,
> 
> Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
> But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
> I have been doing it for years.
> I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
> I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the escape 
> key.
> I will look for my notes on how to do it.
> Thanks,
> Rob
> 
>  
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:30 AM, Fazil M. > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Group.
>> Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
>> I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
>> Thanks!
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

2022-11-03 Thread mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries

OK, here are the instructions to add a commander to mute speech.
To setup a commander  to toggle the mute speech for VoiceOver, first open 
voiceover utility with vo f 8 that  is control option f 8.  Next press command 
8 to jump to commanders. 
Next  vo right arrow to the keyboard tab and then press vo space bar on it. 
Next tab to the add button, and hit VO Space. 
Next type the letter you want to use along with the right option key. 
Note, I had to press VO space before I could type in the edit field.
Next vo right arrow to the command menu button and then press space bar on it. 
Next  press the down arrow key to find speech,
 and then press the right arrow to open it. 
Next press down arrow to find Mute  speech toggle and press enter.
Good Luck!
Rob



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>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
> But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
> I have been doing it for years.
> I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
> I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the escape 
> key.
> I will look for my notes on how to do it.
> Thanks,
> Rob
> 
>  
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:30 AM, Fazil M. > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Group.
>> Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
>> I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
>> Thanks!
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

2022-11-03 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

Tapping control only works for me some of the time.  I frequently have to tap 
it more than once.  It’s still handy, just not 100% reliable.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:04 AM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
> But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
> I have been doing it for years.
> I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
> I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the escape 
> key.
> I will look for my notes on how to do it.
> Thanks,
> Rob
> 
>  
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:30 AM, Fazil M. > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Group.
>> Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
>> I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
>> Thanks!
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

2022-11-03 Thread mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries

Hi,

Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
I have been doing it for years.
I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the escape key.
I will look for my notes on how to do it.
Thanks,
Rob

 

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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

2022-11-03 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

On my MBA, pressing F10 mutes sound.  It mutes all sound, so if you’re trying 
to mute speech in order to hear something else, that isn’t a good solution.  
But if you are good with muting all sound, it’s quick and easy.
Cheers,
Donna


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> The only way to do it with the keyboard is to go to the VO utility and check 
> the box under sound. However, the Trackpad method with the three finger 
> double tap is much more efficient for a number of reasons, mainly it’s easy 
> to duplicate to unmute where as the keyboard method, unless you have another 
> way of accessing the screen, you can’t afford to lose focus.
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

2022-11-03 Thread Herbie Allen

The only way to do it with the keyboard is to go to the VO utility and check 
the box under sound. However, the Trackpad method with the three finger double 
tap is much more efficient for a number of reasons, mainly it’s easy to 
duplicate to unmute where as the keyboard method, unless you have another way 
of accessing the screen, you can’t afford to lose focus.

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Re: Is there any way to set my phone so that the lock button hangs up phone calls?

2022-11-03 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

Thanks for posting this.  I will report it to Apple Accessibility as well.
Best,
Donna

> On Nov 2, 2022, at 11:36 PM, Shai  wrote:
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> Hello,
> This feature has not worked for me since the release of iOS 16. It was
> indicated to Apple Accessibility and I was hoping that the feature
> would be fixed so that it did work.
> This feature does not seem to work for me on either an iPhone10-r or
> iPhone13 pro.
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> On 11/2/22, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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>> Interesting.  It was already set to off.  I’ve tried toggling it on and off
>> again, hopefully that will fix it.  Thanks, Janet.
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2022, at 5:07 PM, Janet Ingber  wrote:
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>>> Hi Donna,
>>> Go to Settings/Accessibility/Touch/Prevent Lock to End Call. This is a
>>> toggle switch.
>>> Best,
>>> Janet
>>> 
 On Nov 2, 2022, at 5:53 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I know there are people who hate that feature, but I actually want
 pressing the side button to end a call.  That does not happen on my
 Phone.  I’ve looked in Settings under physical and Motor, but don’t see a
 setting there that governs that behavior.  Does anyone know how I can set
 my phone so that pressing the side button ends a call?
 TIA,
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Re: Mac Classess On YouTube Last November?

2022-11-03 Thread Herbie Allen

I recommend if you are looking for prerecorded classes you check out this link: 
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfB9nnQHxOOMVcyCtInVNjIYXqann5Jf- You 
will find plenty of comprehensive material, not only to get set up with the 
Mac, but a run through of some of the builtin apps like Safari and Mail. It is 
based on Monterey, but that won’t affect anything.

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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

2022-11-03 Thread Bradford Snyder

It mutes everything.
The original question asked specifically, how to mute speech using a keyboard 
instead of the trackpad.
Like I said, using F10 to mute system volume is not the same thing.

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On Nov 3, 2022, at 00:52, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

ok but that effectively mutes speech. probably other things too.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 3, 2022, at 12:50 AM, Bradford Snyder  wrote:

F10 mutes system volume.
This is not the same as muting VoiceOver speech. 

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Brad, I can mute my speech on my Mac with F10 press same key again to unmute.

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> No, there is no keyboard command to mute speech.
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