Re: Recommendations for noise canceling headphones

[Kimberly]

Phil,

The model I have is the quiet comfort 20 which is currently available from 
Amazon for 249 dollars with free shipping for prime members. As I said, they 
are pricey but worth it in my opinion.

I hope this is helpful.


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> On Sep 29, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Kimberly, thanks a lot. I've been looking at the Bose over ear headphones and 
> they're super pricey, and from what I hear not all that reliable. I'd like to 
> get the buds that you're talking about but there are so many models to choose 
> from. Could you please, please, look up the model number for those Bose 
> earbuds that you've been talking about. Thanks.
> 
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> 
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Bose makes some truly excellent noise-cancelling headphones. The ones
>> I have (sorry, I forget the model) are in-the-ear earbuds, but I'm
>> sure any model would give you similar quality. The earbuds have a
>> small switch on the wire that allows you to "open" the earbud to sound
>> if necessary. So if like me you were using the earbuds in
>> noise-cancelling mode while on a plane, you could press this switch
>> and hear any announcements. Then press again and re-engage the
>> noise-cancelling.
>> 
>> Bose are pricy, but for my money they are worth every penny.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/29/16, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Does anybody have any good recommendations for Reliable and effective noise
>>> canceling headphones? I have a couple of kids next-door who love to play
>>> basketball until dusk and I really need some help? Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Travel bluetooth keyboard recommendations?

[Kimberly]

The Amazon basics Bluetooth keyboard is fantastic. It is slim and light but has 
full-size keys and is very easily transported in a backpack. It's also very 
reasonably priced and pears quite easily with the iPhone.

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> On Aug 13, 2016, at 7:24 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> Hi list,
> I'll be going on a short trip in a couple weeks and plan to bring only my 
> iPhone. BSI is great, but for longer messages, I'd like to have something 
> better. What is a good keyboard for use with iOS that can travel well? I'm 
> not the biggest fan of folding keyboards, as the one I've used was cramped 
> and unsteady while typing. I don't want a pocket-sized one, but I do need 
> something that won't take up a ton of room in a backpack and that will stand 
> up to the rigors of travel without losing key caps or having its internals 
> damaged. Obviously, key placement for easy VO control is a huge plus, but 
> with the caps lock option in iOS9 that's not as big of a concern as it used 
> to be.
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Re: Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!

[Kimberly]

Why don't you try downloading them from the audible website to the Mac. 

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> On Jul 17, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
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> what I am wondering is how to get my audible books off my i phone and onto 
> the mac..
> Cait
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 12:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
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>> That's one thing I can't do with Tunekit is split the thing up into mp3's 
>> based on the chapters.
>>  
>> Chris.
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>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Joshua Tubbs
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 12:31 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!
>>> 
>>> I love Inaudible myself. Someone sent it to me for free and it allows for 
>>> folders to be created with chapter splitting and a few formats, including 
>>> Flac. For the record, I do not know where to get the app and I believe it 
>>> is free originally, so I did not pirate it.
>>> HTH.
>>> 
 On Jul 17, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 Have you ever been like me, wishing that you could strip the DRM out of 
 your... ahim, legally? LOL! purchased Audible books, and convert them to 
 an mp3?
  
 Well, for $35, now, you can.  And may I add, this app is totally 100% 
 accessible.
  
 Basically, what it does is, it goes through your ITunes library and finds 
 all audio books, be it Audible, or purchased directly from ITunes.  It 
 then gives you a table, which by the way, you can do a keyword search if 
 you have a lot, you select your books, hit convert, and presto!
  
 This thing supports Flac, Wave, mp3, M4A, and I think maybe 1 or two 
 others for the output formats.
  
 It's gorgeous!  I've been converting all my books to losless flac, so that 
 I could then play them through my Sonos wireless speaker set, as those 
 things support Flac.  Trust me.  It is beautiful!
  
 So, the name of the app is Tunekit Audio Book Converter.
  
 You can learn more about it from
  
 http://www.tunekit.com
  
 They also have an M4V converter, but I've not tried it.
  
 The book converter does have a trial.  It lets you convert the first 3 
 minutes of any book of your hcoice.  After that, you have to register.  
 It's very very very worth it though.
  
 Their download page is at:
  
 http://www.tunekit.com/download
  
 and the direct link to the Book Converter DMG is:
  
 http://www.tuneskit.com/download/AudiobookConvertforMac.dmg
  
 They have a Windows version, but I have no clue of its accessibility, so 
 buyer, beware.
  
 Chris.
 
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Re: Mac book recommendation please

[Kimberly]

The Mac air keyboard is quite good. The keys are full size and have a nice 
firmness when typing.

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> On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Andy  wrote:
> 
> Oh Scott.
>  
> I do need a portable device because I'm going on a 14 day hotel trip later 
> this year to train with my new dog, and I simply could not stand being stuck 
> in a hotel room with nothing.  Also, I'm hoping to have a holiday later this 
> year if I can get the dog out of the way firstly, so again, I need something 
> to keep me in contact with civilasation .  In addition, I think it would be 
> quite nice to go to my local pub and sit there doing my email and other 
> things, so hiring a mac book is no good.
>  
> You recommend a Macbook Air.  Does that have a  tactyle keyboard or is there 
> perhaps something better to consider?
>  
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
>  
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Scott Granados
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Mac book recommendation please
> 
> Hi Andy,
> 
> Depends on what you want to do.  A Macbook Air would be a fine option 
> especially for a secondary machine.  Probably low enough on the cost 
> especially on the second hand market.
> 
> A pro will give you more horse power but if you already have that IMac I 
> think you’re probably in good shape.
> 
> Here’s a whacky idea, what about renting a Macbook Pro for a few days for the 
> training and then going back to your iMac when you’re done.  Less expensive 
> and you don’t end up with hardware you don’t sound like you need.
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Andy  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.
>>  
>> I have just purchased an imac desk-top computer but in order for me to 
>> undergo one-to-one training in my area, I need to buy a second hand portable 
>> device.
>>  
>> Once I have a recomendation, a friend can have a look on Ebay.
>>  
>> I'd like a mac lap-top and if possible, running El Capitan.
>>  
>> My sense of touch is very poor so I need a mac book with a pretty good 
>> keyboard on it.  I could attach the Apple USB keyboard if necessary, but 
>> that's another bit of equipment to carry.
>>  
>> So should I buy a second hand Mac book pro:  a Mac book or something similar?
>>  
>> Your advise would be very welcome as I'm just dying to take up this training 
>> opertunity.
>>  
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
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Re: Converting songs to mp3 with latest iTunes and ElCap.issue with apple music store

[Kimberly]

Stadium Arcadium is available as is The Getaway. Though the offerings do seem 
rather limited. Ah well, they are still available for purchase from iTunes.


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> On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:26 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I can’t find anything of RHCP in apple music,
>  
> Wonder if it’s a thing apple do in case of music content as RHCP do have a 
> few tracks that  have harsh language.
>  
> Oh well I’ll have to get it the old way,
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Sunday, 26 June 2016 11:50 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Converting songs to mp3 with latest iTunes and ElCap.issue with 
> apple music store
>  
> Hi. May be that aren’t signed up to Apple Music because not all artists use 
> all streaming services as a platform to reach their listeners! There are 
> albums that I can’t find on Apple Music and they are available on Googleplay 
> Music. 
> On 24 Jun 2016, at 22:39, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>  
> I’m having a bit of trouble with apple music currently,
> I can’t find the red hot chillie peppers on the apple music store.
>  
> Can anyone in the northern hemisphere find them, I’m wondering if it’s a 
> library block.
>  
> From: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2016 8:42 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Converting songs to mp3 with latest iTunes and ElCap.
>  
> Hmm. I don't seem to be able to reproduce this. I went to playlist and then 
> to Purchased to make sure I had tracks from iTunes and not ripped from my own 
> CDs. I stopped interacting, did VO-right twice to get past the splitter to 
> the scroll area, interacted with that, did a VO-right to move from the header 
> to the table, interacted with that and then just did plain up/down arrows to 
> select a track. After that I did VO-m to go to the menus, right arrow twice 
> to get to File, down about 12 times to convert, right to Create MP3 version 
> and that was it.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/23/16 7:33 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
> Hi, 
> I’m running the latest OS and the latest iTunes and I am no longer able to 
> convert purchased songs to mp3.
> Before, I could highlight a song and do a VO-shift m and convert to mp3. This 
> doesn’t work and if I choose convert from the file menu it is dimmed.
> Any help is appreciated.
>  
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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Re: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, Have Some Dignity

[Kimberly]

Simon,

Are the Bose Bluetooth headphones worth the price? I adore my Bose wired 
headphones, but because Bluetooth sound quality is generally so lacking, I have 
been hesitant to shell out the $$ for the Bose Bluetooth option. So in your 
opinion, are they really all that?

Kimber

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> On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Nope,
> Don't care, I'll go with what happens,
> 
> Have a great set of high quality bose Bluetooth headphones  that will work 
> with what ever apple do.
> 
> But this is an issue that all developers of headphones and associated music 
> products will have to sit down and work out a connector  to replace the 
> current headphone jack.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Sunday, 26 June 2016 10:53 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, 
> Have Some Dignity
> 
> So wait, let me see if I get your point.
> 
> You want the powers to give in, include a head phone jack, you like the 
> article and you’re happy you have Bose bt headphones?  Did you read the 
> article?  ☺  The poster wasn’t exactly supporting the Bluetooth position 
> there.  I’m not trying to be snarky I just don’t understand where you’re 
> going.  In the same response you support the author but you’re using the 
> solution he’s bashing.  What gives or do I just need sleep and am missing the 
> obvious?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/26/16, 4:43 AM, "Simon Fogarty"  behalf of si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Thanks for this, I't has a good ring to it. 
> He's got a lot of points that make good sense, but will the powers listen to 
> us?
> 
> Glad my bose bt headphones work great.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, 26 June 2016 1:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Taking The Headphone Jack Off Phones Is User-Hostile and Stupid, 
> Have Some Dignity
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Here is an interesting article that I thought you'd like to read, the URL to 
> which is located at the end of the text.
> 
> NOTE:  I edited out the 1 profane word that appears in the original text so 
> as to bring this piece in compliance with our list policies.
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Mark
> 
> Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid, Have some 
> dignity By Nilay Patel  on June 21, 2016
> 
> Another day, another rumor that Apple is going to ditch the headphone jack on 
> the next iPhone in favor of sending out audio over Lightning. Or another 
> phone beats Apple to the punch by ditching the headphone jack in favor of 
> passing out audio over USB-C. What exciting times for phones! We're so out of 
> ideas that actively making them shittier and more user-hostile is the only 
> innovation left.
> 
> ditching the headphone jack on phones makes them worse
> 
> Look, I know you're going to tell me that the traditional TRS headphone jack 
> is a billion years old and prone to failure and that life is about progress 
> and whatever else you need to repeat deliriously into your bed of old HTC 
> extUSB dongles and insane magnetic Palm adapters to sleep at night. But just 
> face facts: ditching the headphone jack on phones makes them worse, in 
> extremely obvious ways. Let's count them!
> 
> (Also, here is a list of reasons you might actually prefer Lightning 
> headphones, by my friend Vlad Savov, but let's be clear that my list is the 
> superior one.)
> 
> 1. Digital audio means DRM audio
> 
> Oh look, I won this argument in one shot. For years the entertainment 
> industry has decried what they call the "analog loophole" of headphone jacks, 
> and now we're making their dreams come true by closing it.
> 
> Winter is coming
> 
> Restricting audio output to a purely digital connection means that music 
> publishers and streaming companies can start to insist on digital copyright 
> enforcement mechanisms. We moved our video systems to HDMI and got HDCP, 
> remember? Copyright enforcement technology never stops piracy and always 
> hurts the people who most rely on legal fair use, but you can bet the music 
> industry is going to start cracking down on "unauthorized" playback and 
> recording devices anyway. We deal with DRM when it comes to video because we 
> generally don't rewatch and take TV shows and movies with us, but you will 
> rue the day Apple decided to make the iPhone another 1mm thinner the instant 
> you get a "playback device not supported" message. Winter is coming.
> 
> 2. Wireless headphones and speakers are fine, not great
> 
> I am surrounded by wireless speaker systems. (I work at The Verge, after
> all.) And while they mostly work fine, sometimes they crackle out and 

Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

[Kimberly]

The books are available as text files which can be downloaded. 


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> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kimeer.
>  
> where these books available as text files or Braille?
>  
> I ask because I never took to braille, given my poor sense of touch.
>  
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
> - Original Message -
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:16 AM
> Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
> VO and my new Mac
> 
> Andy,
> 
> There are a couple of books available from the national Braille press that 
> will give you a good starting point. They are written by Janet Ingber and are 
> specific to the operating system you have. I bought the one written for 
> Yosemite and found it very helpful even though I am still running Lion due to 
> the age of my computer. This book was the best resource I found, no lie.
> 
> Kimber
> 
> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
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>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.
>>  
>> I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with Elcapitan and 
>> I'm stuck.
>>  
>> I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any format, to get 
>> me started.
>>  
>> I bought the new computer and jumped ship because I was convinced that there 
>> must be lpoads of training materials available to help me, but 
>> unfortunately, the lovely shine is quickly leaving my new computer.
>>  
>> So I need some form of formate media to help me learn about voice over and 
>> how to get started .
>>  
>> Any information would be absolutely appricieated.
>>  
>> Andy.
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Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

[Kimberly]

Andy,

There are a couple of books available from the national Braille press that will 
give you a good starting point. They are written by Janet Ingber and are 
specific to the operating system you have. I bought the one written for 
Yosemite and found it very helpful even though I am still running Lion due to 
the age of my computer. This book was the best resource I found, no lie.

Kimber

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Andy  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
>  
> I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with Elcapitan and I'm 
> stuck.
>  
> I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any format, to get 
> me started.
>  
> I bought the new computer and jumped ship because I was convinced that there 
> must be lpoads of training materials available to help me, but unfortunately, 
> the lovely shine is quickly leaving my new computer.
>  
> So I need some form of formate media to help me learn about voice over and 
> how to get started .
>  
> Any information would be absolutely appricieated.
>  
> Andy.
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Re: Help needed navigating iTunes on a Mac

[Kimberly]

Thanks for replying but I don't see column browser as an option. Could that be 
because I am not running the most recent version of iTunes?


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> On May 23, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Kimber,
> 
> I run iTunes on El Capitan, and it's the latest version of iTunes, 12.4.
> 
> Firstly, make sure that the category music is selected and the checkbox "my 
> music" is checked too.  Also, the way I look and search for my music is by 
> enabling "music browser".  To show "column browser" or hide it, you need to 
> go to the view menu.  Press vo+m once and vo right arrow till you hear 
> "view".  Then down arrow to till you hear "column browser submenu.  Then 
> right arrow to expand it.  The first item in this submenu should tell you 
> whether the column browser is showing or hidden.  If it says "hide" then it 
> is enabled and should be showing.  Also, in this submenu, you can check the 
> items that you want your column browser to show as columns.  I have checked 
> here genres, composers, and albums.  So my music browser shows in columns 
> these categories.  You can move along these columns and as you do so, the 
> table to the right of your music browser will reflect the music which you 
> focus on in the music browser.  I normally interact with the music browser 
> first, choose what I want to show and then stop interacting with the music 
> browser and vo right arrow to the music table and interact with it to see 
> what's in there.  This takes some getting used to so do experiment with it.  
> I used to get frustrated with the music browser as it takes some learning as 
> to how it responds to your arrow keys.  For instance, in the music browser, 
> if I by mistake select some obscure genre for which I have no music, then my 
> music table to the right will not display any music.  You may not wish to 
> have the genre column at all in which case you can uncheck it in the view 
> menu under column browser submenu.
> 
> Also, remember that as long as you have "my music" checked, you can search 
> for an album or artist by typing their names in the search box if you can 
> remember them correctly.
> 
> I hope this will help a little.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Andrew 
>> On 23 May 2016, at 11:53, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I'm new to the list and pretty much a novice to the Mac though I've
>> had an iPhone for the past four years.
>> 
>> I have an older MacAir running Lion which I want to use to stream
>> content from my iTunes library and Apple music. My problem is I'm
>> unable to locate the particular artist, album or playlist I want to
>> play. I have been able to get content to play, but it seems more by
>> luck than skill. Here's what happens.
>> 
>> I have my iTunes displayed by artist. But when I get into the -- I
>> guess it's the table? -- where the content is shown, all I see is how
>> many albums or songs I have by each artist but not the names of the
>> artists.
>> 
>> If someone could give me some basic steps for navigating around iTunes
>> and accessing my content I would be very grateful.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Kimber
>> 
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Re: Help needed navigating iTunes on a Mac

[Kimberly]

Thanks. I'll definitely check it out.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On May 23, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Kimber,
> 
> You may want to have a look at my Youtube channel, as I did an extremely 
> comprehensive walkthrough recently on ITunes, and how to navigate the music 
> area.
> 
> You'll find the video on my channel, which is at:
> 
> http://youtube.gillandmarketing.com
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Chris.
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> - Original Message - From: "Kimber Gardner" 
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> Subject: Help needed navigating iTunes on a Mac
> 
> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I'm new to the list and pretty much a novice to the Mac though I've
>> had an iPhone for the past four years.
>> 
>> I have an older MacAir running Lion which I want to use to stream
>> content from my iTunes library and Apple music. My problem is I'm
>> unable to locate the particular artist, album or playlist I want to
>> play. I have been able to get content to play, but it seems more by
>> luck than skill. Here's what happens.
>> 
>> I have my iTunes displayed by artist. But when I get into the -- I
>> guess it's the table? -- where the content is shown, all I see is how
>> many albums or songs I have by each artist but not the names of the
>> artists.
>> 
>> If someone could give me some basic steps for navigating around iTunes
>> and accessing my content I would be very grateful.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Kimber
>> 
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Re: Voiceover not working when coming out of sleep mode

[Kimberly thurman]

Yep, me too.  I’m using a 2013 MBA as well.
On Dec 11, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:

 Hello:
 
 I'm experiencing this same issue, or at least a similar one.  For me it seems 
 tied to connecting and disconnecting from AC.  I'm using a 2013 MacBook Air.
 Best,
 Donna
 On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Angelo a.rock...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hi, could you tell us what Mac your using? I know there was a problem with 
 the Mac mini, using a HTMI connection. Mine wants to revert to the headphone 
 jack, but in the voiceover utility I switched it to always use HTMI.
 best 
 Angelo
 a.rock...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey Jim,
 
 Yeah not sure as this just started happening every now and then a month 
 ago, but now it is every day. I was ripping my hair out at first trying to 
 figure out why VO was not working. Luckily I tried the toggle and it came 
 back on, but it gets frustrating having to do it every time I wake my 
 computer.
 On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Wow i've noticed the same thing with Mavericks.  I have to wait at least a 
 minute after coming out of sleep before I can do anything with VO.  I 
 thought it was just a mavericks bug.  Wish they'd fix it.
 Jim
 
 On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey all,
 
 Having a rough go of it with Voiceover. I have noticed this for awhile 
 but now it has gotten really bad. I typically don't shut my computer off 
 just put it into sleep mode, and now when it comes out of sleep mode I 
 have to toggle VO on and off five times to get VO to start working with 
 the VO F5 command. I am still running Mountain Lion, so not a Mavericks 
 bug, any ideas? Thanks,
 
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Re: VMWare questions

[Kimberly thurman]

I did choose the move option, because I read where that was a good idea.  I 
still get no start up music and those notifications that I can’t read under 
Fusion 6, Windows 7, and Mavericks.  Maybe I’ll get my sighted hubby to take a 
look at it and see if anything crazy is going on.
On Dec 6, 2013, at 7:46 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:

 unity view won't affect anything. However, moving the VM from one machine to 
 another can be tricky. when I moved my VM from my iMac to my MBA, I was asked 
 by fusion if I wanted to copy or move the VM. Not knowing what to do, I 
 selected copy. This caused all my keys to be invalidated - windows, MS-office 
 and jaws all had to be re-authorized.  I think if I had chosen move, then 
 fusion would have moved the authorizations along with the vm file, 
 de-activating the old one and activating the new, but as it was, I basically 
 created a clone of the VM, so now I have to windows for the price of one.
 
 P.S. I had to call windows support (accessibility team) for help and they 
 authorized the new windows7  VM even though I didn't pay for another license .
 
 I don't think that answers your question though. Sorry I can't be more help 
 The first thing you need to do I think is to get jaws talking so you can know 
 whats going on. Try narrator while you're at it. and, if fusion asks if this 
 is a new file, and  you want to copy or move it, try the move option.
 
 
 On Dec 6, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Kimberly thurman kkthur...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 I had Fusion running Windows 7 on my MBP under Snow Leopard perfectly.  I 
 was running Fusion 4.  I got a new MBA and installed Fusion 6.  I moved my 
 Virtual Machine file from the MBP to the MBA, which I’ve heard can be done.  
 When I launch Fusion, iI get no Windows start up music, but I think 
 something is going on, because I hear a notification from Jaws and one from 
 Free Download Manager, which I was running in windows.  
 
 I haven’t used Fusion with Windows on the Mac for a while, so I forget which 
 view I should choose?  Does unity have anything to do with it?  Could 
 someone give me an idea about this?  
 
 Thanks in advance for all advice!
 
 Kim
 On Dec 5, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 No, you don’t understand!
 things were working fine for me under mavericks with fusion for a little 
 while.
 
 After a while, though, it seemed like I had to reinstall the OS because I 
 was having problems, but I didn’t do a clean install the first time because 
 the apple person I talked to while back said that wasn’t necessary.  So, I 
 redid my OS and then I had to reinstall fusion.  After I did that, my copy 
 of xp wasn’t acting right.  IE flakes out and crashes, for example.
 
 I have tried win 7 ultimate in hopes that it would be better but I’m having 
 problems with that, too.  I can’t get it to recognize my super drive so I 
 can install window eyes. I might have to double check and make sure vm 
 tools are installed, though-that just came to me.
 
 Windows is basically a big pita for me.  I really wish I didn’t need it and 
 am actively looking for ways to just trash it altogether if i can.
 
 Just me, though.
 
 I hope you get your problem figured out.  Fusion is very useable, once you 
 get it configured.  it just might take you a while.
 
 Good luck!
 Cait
 
 On Dec 5, 2013, at 2:37 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 wow! I'm never upgrading to mavericks!
 
 On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Caitlyn and Maggie 
 caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well, that’s the kicker.. Sometimes I can command tab back into mavericks 
 and sometimes it doesn’t work.
 
 I’m having a devil of a time with my vmware right now.. nothing is 
 working since I had to redo things.  neither my xp machine nor my win 7 
 one are functional for any real use yet, unfortunately.
 Sorry.. was just saying what had worked in the past.
 Cait
 
 On Dec 5, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Bill Holton bill32...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi.
 If you check the box to ignore Mac commands, how do you then leave VM and
 return to Mac OS?  Thanks.
 
 Bill
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Caitlyn furness
 Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:44 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: VMWare questions
 
 Hi alex,
 I'm going to take a crack at some of your questions.
 
 For your problem with vo taking over, and also for some of the key 
 strokes
 not being recognized, you can either turn off vo while in the virtual
 machine or go into the vm prefs and then find the tab called keyboard, I
 think.  In there, there is a check box which tells the vm to ignore all 
 mac
 osx commands. For myself, once I checked that little box, the guest
 operating system acted better!
 
 The volume issue is probably windows volume and you can either turn up 
 your
 mac or go into control panel and turn up the volume in the other OS.
 
 hth

Installing Windows 7 on an MBA using the DVD drive from a Macbook Pro

[Kimberly thurman]

Is this possible?  I don’t have a portable external DVD drive.  Seems as though 
I recall hearing it is possible somewhere.   

Thanks in advance for any help!

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Youtube videos in Safari

[Kimberly thurman]

All of a sudden they don't play.

I've emptied the cash, went to flash under advanced in system preferences and 
deleted that stuff.  I uninstalled and reinstalled Adobe Flash Player.  I've 
repaired permissions, reset Safari, and I think that's all.  

I have a new MBA with ML.  The videos played up until today and now they don't. 
 Somebody please help!!

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Re: downloading mp3 podcasts

[Kimberly thurman]

Stacy, try option enter on the link to listen and see if that works.  hth
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 Hi all,
 I'm running Lion on my white macbook.
 I used to be able to download mp3 podcasts from companies like Hims by 
 pressing option l I think when the file would start playing.
 How do I do this in Lion?
 
 Thanks,
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Re: Youtube videos in Safari

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Hmm, I don't know.  I'll have to check that out.  Would it stay muted even 
after closing and reopening Safari, and even restarting the MBA?  
On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:15 PM, Terje Strømberg terjestrmb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi
 
 Have you accidentally turned on the mute sound adjustable switch? The one in 
 the You Tube player.
 
 Take care
 
 4. okt. 2013 kl. 02:30 skrev Kimberly thurman kkthur...@hotmail.com:
 
 All of a sudden they don't play.
 
 I've emptied the cash, went to flash under advanced in system preferences 
 and deleted that stuff.  I uninstalled and reinstalled Adobe Flash Player.  
 I've repaired permissions, reset Safari, and I think that's all.  
 
 I have a new MBA with ML.  The videos played up until today and now they 
 don't.  Somebody please help!!
 
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Option T for time, Apple Script on new MBA

[Kimberly thurman]

Hello all:

I just got a new Macbook Air, and I cannot remember how to enable Apple Script 
so I can get the time with option T.  Can anyone help?  I would so appreciate 
it.  

Best,

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Re: Option T for time, Apple Script on new MBA

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I had the first step, but couldn't remember what to do after that to save my 
soul.  Thank you so much!!  If you're that smart before coffee, I can't imagine 
afterwards.  haha  Have a wonderful Saturday!!
On Sep 21, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Kim,
 Go into the vo utility and pick the first row in the table, it might be 
 called general or something like that.   this is where you can add a 
 personalized greeting when the computer is turned on.  In this same row is 
 the radio button for use apple scripts.  Make sure this is checked.
 
 Now go down to the commanders row.  Go into that and pick keyboard commander. 
  Make sure that keyboard commander is selected/turned on.  If you look under 
 this, I think the one for time is under there.  If not, there should be an 
 option for you to create it by pressing the keys you want.
 
 I am doing this from memory, so sorry if some things are jumbled..
 Cait, going for coffee now!
 
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 Hello all:
 
 I just got a new Macbook Air, and I cannot remember how to enable Apple 
 Script so I can get the time with option T.  Can anyone help?  I would so 
 appreciate it.  
 
 Best,
 
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Maximizing the screen for the benefit of sighted folks

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Just as the subject line says, how do I do this, especially while in Safari so  
sighted people can watch a youtube video utilizing the entire screen?

I appreciate any and all suggestions!

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Re: facebook on the mac

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I installed this app, and it seems to keep disappearing on me.  It doesn't show 
up when I command/tab through open apps, and I also hear Menu Tab has no 
windows.  What am I doing wrong?  
On Aug 27, 2013, at 12:20 PM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:

 I use the free version of menuTab for Facebook.  It's on the mac app store.
 
 It meets my needs fine.  You can navigate posts via headings.  If you find 
 occasionally you can't vo-space on something, try mouse keys vo-shift-space.
 
 Traci
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 I just use the normal Facebook site with Safari. I definitely find it clunky 
 but it's accessible and has more functionality than the mobile site. The 
 main tricks to using it are tabbing to enter text edit fields and just 
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Re: facebook on the mac

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Oh wow!  Thanks!  that works.  I do  like the app so far, now that I've learned 
how to launch it.  lol
On Aug 28, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Janet Ingber janet.ing...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Kimberly,
 
 This is a quirky app.  To launch it, type Control-F.  That's the hot  key.
 
 Janet
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 I installed this app, and it seems to keep disappearing on me.  It doesn't 
 show up when I command/tab through open apps, and I also hear Menu Tab has 
 no windows.  What am I doing wrong?  
 On Aug 27, 2013, at 12:20 PM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I use the free version of menuTab for Facebook.  It's on the mac app store.
 
 It meets my needs fine.  You can navigate posts via headings.  If you find 
 occasionally you can't vo-space on something, try mouse keys vo-shift-space.
 
 Traci
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 clunky but it's accessible and has more functionality than the mobile 
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Re: Maximizing the screen for the benefit of sighted folks

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Control/command/F makes the Safari page for youtube full screen, but I still 
don't know how to make the actual video filll the screen.  I would imagine 
there is somewhere on the page that has to be interacted with or some such 
thing, but nothing seems to do the trick.
On Aug 28, 2013, at 12:51 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 control command F enters you into full screen mode.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
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 Just as the subject line says, how do I do this, especially while in Safari 
 so  sighted people can watch a youtube video utilizing the entire screen?
 
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Re: Lion?

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Hi Stacie:

I have a 2009 Macbook Pro and previously updated to Lion.  I hated it!  It's 
been a while, so I can't remember just why.  I did eventually update to ML, and 
I do like it.  I seem to recall that the white Macbooks couldn't be updated to 
ML.  Someone else will need to advise about Lion.  

Just because I didn't like it doesn't mean you won't, but I just thought I'd 
throwt that out there.  

All the best,

Kim
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 Hi all,
 I've updated my macbook till my computer says it has no more software updates 
 but appstore says ML isn't compatible with my macbook.
 Is there somewhere I could buy lion Can't find in appstore.
 
 Blessings,
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Re: MacBook Air upgrade options

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Hello all:

I have been running Windows 7 in Fusion along side OSX with 8 gigs of ram on a 
2009 MBP, and it runs very well, even with several apps open in windows and 
OSX.  The ram is certainly the main issue here, but I'm sure all the processor 
speed you can afford will have added benefits.  I'm in the market for an MBA 
soon too, so good luck with your purchase. The SSD will certainly speed things 
up as well.
On Jul 14, 2013, at 1:45 PM, Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Phil,
 
 I have only ever worked with a MacBook Pro running 4gb of ram and with
 a 320 hard drive (not an SSD).  From my experience, the virtual
 machine setup with usable for tiems when you only want to run Windows
 for a few minutes, in somewhat limited situations.  What I have found,
 however, is that after setting up Boot Camp on my computer, I see no
 difference in performance whatsoever.  I have been running my system
 under Windows exclusively over the past week or so for school-related
 things that I need Microsoft Word for, and it is though I were running
 on a PC.  I always found Fusion with Windows and JAWS, or any other
 screen-reader, to be very sluggish, especially if I had other programs
 running in the background, no matter how much I increased available
 memory to the VM through Fusion settings.
 
 Now, this is only my opinion and thoughts, of course.  It very well
 may be that for most people this set up works perfectly fine.  Indeed,
 I made it work for me for around a year or so.  However, for
 day-to-day reliable performance, I found I needed Windows under Boot
 Camp, and again, thank you to all on this list who helped me to
 achieve that.  Your patience was and is very kind and appreciated.
 
 I considered upgrading my RAM, etc. and certainly increased RAM may
 help, but I'm not certain how much.  I know that VoiceOver likes to
 say Busy, busy, busy in programs sometimes, and I remember that I
 have had the same issues with that as someone who had 2 gb of ram.
 But ram is always supposed to be the biggest factor in immediate
 increased performance.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Harry
 
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 I want to be able to run fusion/win7 on a macbook air with as little
 degradation of performance as possible. What would you think would be the
 minimum upgrades necessary to a Macbook Air 13 inch? I assume 8GB memory,
 256 SSD, and a processor upgrade of some kind - what would the list
 recommend for processor?
 
 Also, what advantages do the Macbook Pro have over the Air? is it worth
 considering a Pro over an Air model?
 
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Re: VMWare Fusion DVD arrived with no license key

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Oh well, guess you're not the only one who's a sucker.  Maybe they'll run out 
of the DVD's before they fill my order.  That's crap though.  You're paying for 
what you could download for free from the VMware site.  I'm of a good mind to 
send it back when it gets here, or at least call and tell them this is a rip 
off!
On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:46 PM, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote:

 Well, like a few others here, I took advantage of what seemed to be a too 
 good to be true price for Fusion5 from Dell. $14 (plus shipping brought it 
 up around $22). I just installed it and am told that it is not yet licensed. 
 Neither is There a Product/license key anywhere on the packaging, which 
 consists of a quickstart guide, the DVD in a plain paper sleeve, and a stupid 
 little VMWare Fusion sticker depicting a stick figure man with the word 
 Fusion underneath him (like I'm going to proudly display that sticker 
 somewhere).
 I fear I've been duped! I think what I bought was the perverbial  hard copy 
 backup DVD that vendors try to push on you when buying software through 
 digital download.
  
 yes, I fear we've been duped my fello bargain hunters!
 Already out $22 for the DVD, I now get to shell out an additional $49 or 
 whatever the price is to buy a license key from VMWare on their website.
  
 What a con! Playing on a person's something for nothing fever - it always 
 works
  
  
  
 
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Re: Vmware Fusion Advice Requested

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Les, I orered the Fusion software from Dell as well, and got the same email 
saying it had been delayed.  I wonder if we're going to get an email that 
states they don't actually have it?  I hope not!  It is a good deal.  


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 Well, it is a virtual machine so what's the worst that can happen? Give it a 
 try and you might find it installs just fine. The various VMWare forums seem 
 to say that the main issues are around the Mac to PC integration such as 
 being able to copy/paste between Windows 8 and the Mac. Later you should then 
 be able to upgrade your VM to Fusion 5 when it arrives.
 
 CB
 
 On 6/25/13 3:49 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 Wait until you get 5 as windows 8 may not work on 4 I don't think.
 
 Kawal.
 
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 I ordered and just received a copy of Windows 8 System Builder which I 
 understand I need for a successful installation of Windows with Fusion.  I 
 also ordered Fusion version 5 from Dell, but was notified that there has 
 been a delay and I may not receive this software until July 11.  I have 
 Fusion version 4 which I could install.  I'm wondering if I should wait for 
 version 5 and then do the install followed by the installation of Windows 
 8?  My inclination is to wait even though I'm anxious to set up Windows on 
 our iMac.  Thanks for suggestions on whether to wait or go ahead with an 
 older version of Fusion.
 
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Re: Vmware Fusion Advice Requested

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The date I was given was July 11 as well.  I'll definitely let you know if I 
receive it.  I need to update from 3 to 5.  I recently updated to ML, which 
rendered my Fusion useless, since version 3 does not run in Mountain Lion.
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 Kim, I sure hope we receive it. The day I was given was July 11. So if you 
 receive it, please let me know. I'll post something to the list if I hear 
 something else regarding this order. Thanks.
 Les
 
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 Les, I orered the Fusion software from Dell as well, and got the same email 
 saying it had been delayed.  I wonder if we're going to get an email that 
 states they don't actually have it?  I hope not!  It is a good deal.  
 
 
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 Well, it is a virtual machine so what's the worst that can happen? Give it 
 a try and you might find it installs just fine. The various VMWare forums 
 seem to say that the main issues are around the Mac to PC integration such 
 as being able to copy/paste between Windows 8 and the Mac. Later you should 
 then be able to upgrade your VM to Fusion 5 when it arrives.
 
 CB
 
 On 6/25/13 3:49 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 Wait until you get 5 as windows 8 may not work on 4 I don't think.
 
 Kawal.
 
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 I ordered and just received a copy of Windows 8 System Builder which I 
 understand I need for a successful installation of Windows with Fusion.  
 I also ordered Fusion version 5 from Dell, but was notified that there 
 has been a delay and I may not receive this software until July 11.  I 
 have Fusion version 4 which I could install.  I'm wondering if I should 
 wait for version 5 and then do the install followed by the installation 
 of Windows 8?  My inclination is to wait even though I'm anxious to set 
 up Windows on our iMac.  Thanks for suggestions on whether to wait or go 
 ahead with an older version of Fusion.
 
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Re: VMWare Fusion for $15 (plus shipping)

[Kimberly thurman]

I ordered this.  After I upgraded to ML, my version 3 of Fusion no longer 
worked.  I downloaded version 5 and used a 30-day trial, but just never paid to 
upgrade.  I'm glad I saw this before I paid for the upgrade.  I suppose this 
will come with the codes necessary to authorize Fusion version 5?  

I'm planning to get a new Macbook Air to replace my mid 2009 13 inch MBP some 
time in the future as well, but I do like the option to be able to run windows 
if I want or need to.

I'll be interested to see how everyone gets on with this.

Best,

Kim
On Jun 16, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 Fusion is normally $50 i believe, but Dell has a DVD of the program for only 
 $15! I don't know if this is a sale and, if so, how long it will last, so if 
 you need Fusion (as I do), go grab it now! Here is the link:
 http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=usl=ens=bsdcs=04sku=A6502528dgc=SScid=261927lid=4738769acd=12309177348460817
 
 
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Re: MAC Air opinions?

[Kimberly thurman]

If you ever think you want to run windows in a virtual machine with one of the 
windows screenreaders, I'd spring for the extra ram too.  I upgraded my Macbook 
Pro to 8 gigs and it rocks with several applications open at once and running 
windows along side OSX.
On Mar 6, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote:

 Hi Phil, I'm doing professional software development on a MacBook Air 11 
 inch, with 1.6 GHZ processor, 4 GB 1333 DDR 3 Ram, and 128 GB SSD and it is 
 wonderful!
 
 So the machine you're looking at should more than satisfy your needs!
 
 Have a great day!
 
 Smiles,
 
 Cara :)
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 On Mar 6, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 I'm seriously considering purchasing a MAC Air 11 inch with the only upgrade 
 being a 128 flash drive from the default 64 GB flash drive.
  
 It has:
 1.7 I5 processor
 4GB 1600 MHZ ram
 128GB flash drive
  
 My questions:
 is this sufficient to do basic internet, mail etc plus iWork apps like Pages 
 and Numbers? or, do I need a ram upgrade to 8GB? I'm not looking for a power 
 machine, just something to do basic stuff plus simple word processing and 
 spreadsheet during travel.
  
 the 13 inch has a 1.8 I5 processor with upgrades to I7 series, but I'm not 
 yet convinced that is necessary for my needs.
  
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VMware fusion under ML

[Kimberly thurman]

Hi folks:

I just upgraded to ML, and I was running VMware Fusion  version 3.  I know I 
need version 5.  If  I install  version 5, can I just paste a folder in and not 
have to reinstall Windows 7, Jaws, and all that mess?

If so, where is this folder, and what's its name?

Any information is greatly appreciated!

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Youtube videos do not play anymore in Webkit

[Kimberly thurman]

This has been a recent development.  If I click a youtube video link while in 
Facebook, or anywhere for that matter, I go to the Youtube page, but can't get 
the video to play.  I see no where on the page to make the video play.  I end 
up  launching VMware Fusion and opening the video in Internet Explorer in 
Windows 7.  Highly annoying.  I have the HTML 5 extension and Adobe Flash.  
What else could be wrong?

Thanks in advance!  :)

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Re: Accessible iOS sound editor

[Kimberly thurman]

I'm not Ester, but try pressing option/enter on the link.  HTH
On Jan 16, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

 Hi Esther,
 
 thank you very much for your links below. For a while I have an issue 
 downloading files and you might help me to solve it. I visited the side and 
 found the link applevispodcast36.mp3. I clicked on it and the file opened 
 in Safari. But I wanted to download it. So I tried the context menue by 
 pressing VO + Shift + m but without success. There was no command to download 
 the file in the menue. 
 So, do you know a way to download files from the side? 
 It happens often that I'm not able to download files from the web because it 
 doesn't work through the context menue. Would be great if you could help.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 
 Am 15.01.2013 um 03:47 schrieb Esther mori...@mac.com:
 
 Hello Eric,
 
 Try Hokusai Audio Editor, which is a free app and also universal, so it will 
 work on your iPad without having to be scaled up.  It will also work in 
 either portrait or landscape orientation.  There's an AppleVis podcast on 
 Getting Started With Hokusai, a Free and Fully Accessible Multitrack Audio 
 Editor For iOS as well as the app listing at that site.
 
 Here's the link:
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/getting-started-hokusai-free-and-fully-accessible-multitrack-audio-editor-ios
 
 In case that link wraps, here's a shortened version that should also work:
 http://bit.ly/11vO6jR
 
 And here's the URL for Hokusai at the app store:
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/hokusai-audio-editor/id432079746?mt=8
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Jan 14, 2013, at 16:19, Eric Heil wrote:
 
 Hello everyone
 How are you? I am new to do list, and so far, it seems to me that everybody 
 is very knowledgeable about various Mac, and iOS devices. I was wondering 
 if any of you could recommend an accessible iOS app that is for sound 
 editing. Hopefully, this'll be a native iPad app, so I won't have to worry 
 about portrait versus landscape orientation. Normally, what happens is when 
 app is an iPhone app, there's an option that you used to display it within 
 fullscreen. I find that quite a problem. So, I would appreciate any 
 recommendations. Thank you all for your time and have a great day.
 
 
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Re: mountain lion impressions

[Kimberly thurman]

Mike, did you do a clean install or just the update?  

I upgraded to Lion at one poinnt from SL with my late 2009 Macbook Pro and 
absolutely hated the clunkiness of mail and other things.  I would like to 
upgrade to ML now, but have been hesitant to do  so.  I use VMware Fusion and 
have Windows 7 in a virtual machine that I use from time to time, so I'd have 
to upgrade there and maybe reinstall Windows 7 Jaws, and the whole shabang.  
Doesn't sound like much fun, so I've just been putting it off. :)

Who knows, maybe I'll have extra time during this long, cold winter, and just 
do it and get it over with.  I'm liking what I'm hearing about ML so far.

Kim
On Nov 19, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

 Hey everyone, been meaning to update to mountain lion for a while, and 
 finally had some time to do it this weekend. Over all I'm very impressed. I 
 think the best thing is that the safari busy messages are totally gone and 
 you no longer have to turn voiceover off and back on again to get around 
 this. Personally I think that Apple should provide this fix for earlier 
 operating systems as well since that's a bug, not a feature. Also it does 
 seem to be a bit faster than lion, well worth the update I think.
 
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Re: iPad

[Kimberly thurman]

I got a brand new iPhone 5 delivered last Thursday from Sprint, and triple 
click of the home button did not turn VO on right out of the box.  When  my 
sighted husband got home, the set up screen was up asking what language I would 
like, etc., but no VO with triple  click home.
On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

 Hi Ricardo.
 I have done this test with several devices that sighted have had where they 
 have never turned VoiceOver on or off. It didn't work with theirs either. In 
 this case, some sighted folks had some iPhones there and they tried it on 
 theirs. It didn't work. So, it was recommended that people check it out first 
 before leaving the store to be sure it work and not just assume that it 
 would. 
 
 Now, it could be that some of these stores are messing with the settings 
 because they don't want their customers turning VoiceOver on accidentally. 
 That's the best answer I can give. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 2, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 but I don't understand.  How was this test conducted?  Was it devices just 
 taken out the box or, restored to factory settings and turned on?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Ricardo, apparently that has been changed. AFB sponsored an iPhone workshop 
 at our recent ACB of Texas conference this past weekend. We decided to test 
 this because there was a discussion about tripple click home and whether 
 this standard any more. It didn't work on any of the iPhones we had 
 present, unless it was set up in the VoiceOver utility. I guess too many of 
 our sighted friends using iPhones turned VoiceOver on and couldn't figure 
 out how to get it off. My husband said that at one time there was a link or 
 something on the Apple website that said Turn VoiceOver off. I've noticed 
 that some of these sighted folks panic when they get VoiceOver going. I 
 guess that some of them don't listen to the hints. 
 
 Gigi 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 2, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Nope.
 
 This has been standard since IOS 5.0.  Voiceover and triple press home 
 works out the box.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 1, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 As far as I know, you must first set up the Triple-click Home to 
 Toggle VoiceOver before that functionality will work.  Pressing that 
 out of the box will not turn on VO unless Apple has changed the default 
 lately.  As mentioned earlier, it may be easiest to configure the 
 Universal Access options through iTunes.  Then once VO is on, the 
 Triple-Click toggle can be set.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-09-30, at 8:18 PM, Hank Smith hanksm...@hanksmith.net wrote:
 
 just hit the home button 3 times
 On 9/30/2012 2:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
 Why do all that?  Can they not turn on voiceover by tripple clicking 
 the home key from the initial setup, or if nothing else, turn V O on 
 within ITunes?  If they're blind, it's gonna be a little hard tapping 
 settings/accessibility/voiceover.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Pam Francis ppowell...@aol.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 2:04 AM
 Subject: Re: iPad
 
 
 Hello, I might to also assume that you are a brand-new iOS user if so 
 there is a gentleman on Apple this VIS Apple this.com who works 
 primarily with visually impaired and has done many podcasts dealing 
 with iOS software and how voiceover works. His name is David 
 Woodbridge.  If you go through there podcasts section, you will find 
 your share of podcasts relating to Iowa software done by David 
 Woodbridge also you can find his podcasts in iTunes. I hope this helps.
 
 Pam Francis
 
 On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Try the accessible-ios google group. I can answer your question, 
 though: go to settings, general, accessibility, Voiceover, and turn it 
 on. From there, use the list I emntioned and/or find some primers on 
 applevis.com that might help. Googling specific questions will also 
 help as there are many tutorials and articles out there, plus the 
 official Apple documentation for voiceover.
 On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Beefcakes beefca...@neo.rr.com wrote:
 
 Hi everybody, is there and I've had list for the mine has an iPad one 
 and needs to know how to get voiceover on it going. Thanks so much, 
 John
 
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Re: iPad

[Kimberly thurman]

YOu know, I don't think I did that.  H!
On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Did you check your volume?  I got an iPhone 5 as weel from sprint and, triple 
 press of home did turn on VO, and on that very screen with the different 
 languages.  The volume was turned down almost all the way.  I did a 2 finger 
 flick up, and increased the volume.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 2, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Kimberly thurman kkthur...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 I got a brand new iPhone 5 delivered last Thursday from Sprint, and triple 
 click of the home button did not turn VO on right out of the box.  When  my 
 sighted husband got home, the set up screen was up asking what language I 
 would like, etc., but no VO with triple  click home.
 On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
 
 Hi Ricardo.
 I have done this test with several devices that sighted have had where they 
 have never turned VoiceOver on or off. It didn't work with theirs either. 
 In this case, some sighted folks had some iPhones there and they tried it 
 on theirs. It didn't work. So, it was recommended that people check it out 
 first before leaving the store to be sure it work and not just assume that 
 it would. 
 
 Now, it could be that some of these stores are messing with the settings 
 because they don't want their customers turning VoiceOver on accidentally. 
 That's the best answer I can give. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 2, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 but I don't understand.  How was this test conducted?  Was it devices just 
 taken out the box or, restored to factory settings and turned on?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Ricardo, apparently that has been changed. AFB sponsored an iPhone 
 workshop at our recent ACB of Texas conference this past weekend. We 
 decided to test this because there was a discussion about tripple click 
 home and whether this standard any more. It didn't work on any of the 
 iPhones we had present, unless it was set up in the VoiceOver utility. I 
 guess too many of our sighted friends using iPhones turned VoiceOver on 
 and couldn't figure out how to get it off. My husband said that at one 
 time there was a link or something on the Apple website that said Turn 
 VoiceOver off. I've noticed that some of these sighted folks panic when 
 they get VoiceOver going. I guess that some of them don't listen to the 
 hints. 
 
 Gigi 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 2, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Nope.
 
 This has been standard since IOS 5.0.  Voiceover and triple press home 
 works out the box.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 1, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 As far as I know, you must first set up the Triple-click Home to 
 Toggle VoiceOver before that functionality will work.  Pressing that 
 out of the box will not turn on VO unless Apple has changed the default 
 lately.  As mentioned earlier, it may be easiest to configure the 
 Universal Access options through iTunes.  Then once VO is on, the 
 Triple-Click toggle can be set.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-09-30, at 8:18 PM, Hank Smith hanksm...@hanksmith.net wrote:
 
 just hit the home button 3 times
 On 9/30/2012 2:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
 Why do all that?  Can they not turn on voiceover by tripple clicking 
 the home key from the initial setup, or if nothing else, turn V O on 
 within ITunes?  If they're blind, it's gonna be a little hard tapping 
 settings/accessibility/voiceover.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Pam Francis ppowell...@aol.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 2:04 AM
 Subject: Re: iPad
 
 
 Hello, I might to also assume that you are a brand-new iOS user if so 
 there is a gentleman on Apple this VIS Apple this.com who works 
 primarily with visually impaired and has done many podcasts dealing 
 with iOS software and how voiceover works. His name is David 
 Woodbridge.  If you go through there podcasts section, you will find 
 your share of podcasts relating to Iowa software done by David 
 Woodbridge also you can find his podcasts in iTunes. I hope this 
 helps.
 
 Pam Francis
 
 On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Try the accessible-ios google group. I can answer your question, 
 though: go to settings, general, accessibility, Voiceover, and turn 
 it on. From there, use the list I emntioned and/or find some primers 
 on applevis.com that might help. Googling specific questions will 
 also help as there are many tutorials and articles out

Re: Selecting to End of Line in Safari Edit Fields

[Kimberly thurman]

Make sure quick nav is off.
On Sep 27, 2012, at 4:50 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

 I have no problem.
 
 On Sep 27, 2012, at 4:57 AM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Recently I've noticed that the command shift right arrow and command shift 
 left arrow keystrokes to select to the end of the line and beginning of the 
 line respectively are not working properly in text edit fields in Safari. 
 I've only noticed this since upgrading to Mountain Lion, probably only since 
 the 8.2 upgrade. When I press command shift right arrow from within a text 
 edit field in Safari the VoiceOver curser seems to jump somewhere random on 
 the page. It behaves very strangely. The option shift arrow keystrokes work 
 fine, however.
 
 Is anyone else having this problem? Or is it just me? If it's just me 
 perhaps I should try reinstalling Mountain Lion or something. If other 
 people are having this issue maybe we can report it to Apple accessibility.
 
 Cheers,
 Nic 
 
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Re: Why is iPhone 5 saying ask Sara?

[Kimberly thurman]

Could it be saying ask Siri?
On Sep 25, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Blinkin wrote:

 Hello everyone,
   I finally got home from my business trip and got my iPhone 5 running 
 this morning.
   I don't know if I have missed this topic already or if I am just 
 missing something obvious but every time I touch my screen in a new area or 
 something VO says Ask Sara before reading on to the item.
   I have no idea what this even means. I tried Google and couldn't find 
 anything related to it so any help or ideas are appreciated.
   thanks ya'll and take care!
 
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Re: i.o.s. 6 question?

[Kimberly thurman]

IOS 6 is for iPods, iPhones, and iPads.  Not for Macbook Pros.  I think you  
might be confused about what you installed where.

On Sep 22, 2012, at 10:35 PM, Chenelle Hancock wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 After  installing i.o.s. 6 onto my mack book pro over three days ago. My  
 mack after starting back up would  take forever  to  start up voice over. 
 then it would fade in and out. it sounded choppy when starting back up after 
 powering on the mack? is there something that i can do to fix this problem? 
 has anyone had the same problem as myself, with regards to voice over  
 starting up in a choppy manor?.
 a any help that anyone could give me on this  problem i would most greatly 
 appreciate it.
 sincerely, chenelle
 
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Re: powerpoints

[Kimberly thurman]

Just FYI, in the interest of truthful disclosure, Power Point is accessible 
with windows screenreaders.  *smile*
On Sep 10, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:

 Keynote is the Apple iWorks answer to Microsoft Office PowerPoint. With 
 Powerpoint being totally inaccessible, Keynote is 100% more accessible 
 smile. Keynote can import and export PowerPoint files but, as a secret and 
 proprietary format it is impossible for Keynote to do this perfectly so you 
 might have some variations in positioning, fonts and the like, but all the 
 content should be there roughly as it was in the original PowerPoint.
 
 CB
 
 On 9/9/12 1:56 AM, Chris Bruinenberg wrote:
 i think it was keynote.
 I'm not sure though.
 
 Sent from my Macbook Pro.
 Chris Bruinenberg
 cbrui...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Sep 8, 2012, at 10:54 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey everyone.
 
 What program does well with voiceover again that allows me to read power 
 points?
 
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 Personal Playground
 www.canadianlynx.ca
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Macbook Pro keeps dropping wifi connection

[Kimberly thurman]

Hi folks:

All of a  sudden, today, my MBP, late 2009 model, still running SL, keeps 
dropping its wifi connection.  When I check it in the system menu, VO M twice 
quickly, it says it is still connected to my home network, but Safari or Webkit 
just sits there.  I turn airport  off and then back on and it will work again 
for a few minutes, and then lose connection again.  I got AT Uverse a couple of 
months ago, but it has worked great until today.  Other windows machines on the 
network seem to be keeping their connections just fine.  I told my computer  to 
forget the network and reestablished it, but still the same story.  This is 
hugely frustrating. I'll appreciate any ideas.

Thanks!

Kim

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Re: Macbook Pro keeps dropping wifi connection

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I removed all remembered networks.  I recycled the modem and router.  We'll see 
what happens.  It seems like I can switch about f5 or 6 web pages, and then it 
just drops out.  It still shows as connected in the airport menu and in system 
prefs, but no internet.  Let's pray it stays connected since I did the reboot 
of the router and modem.  Someone had also set a speaker right next to the 
router, which had not been there before.  I moved that too.  

I hope there's nothing wrong with the wifi device in  my MBP.  I know things  
can interfere with the signal, but nothing has really changed around here, 
except for that speaker that I just moved.
On Sep 1, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

 Is your Air trying to connect to another hot spot that's not allowing 
 connectivity?  Have you tried changing the channel of your router?--probably 
 not a solution, as your other machines are connect3ed.  Is it possible for 
 you to hard-wire your Air to the router and see if the behaviors of net apps 
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Re: Macbook Pro keeps dropping wifi connection

[Kimberly thurman]

I found a checkbox that states something like known networks will be joined 
automatically.  I guess a known network is one you've previously joined?  It 
seems to be working just fine since I recycled everything.  I hate connectivity 
issues.  lol 
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 If there is an unsecured network in your area, then your MBP may still try to 
 join it.  There's also a check box somewhere in Airport settings that will 
 stop your MBP from automatically connect to any networks it finds.
 
 
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Re: Macbook Pro keeps dropping wifi connection

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I do appreciate the suggestions.  If nothing else, commiseration helps.  lol  
The problem seems to be at bay for now, so I'm happy.  I'm leaning  toward the 
fact that something was interfering with the signal for some reason.  This is a 
late 2009 MBP that I have used extremely heavily since removing it from the box 
nearly three years ago, so I'm ready for anything to conk at anytime.  *smiles*
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 Yes; they're probably the most frustrating and gut-wrenching of computer 
 issues; knowing there's a big net full of people out there that you can't 
 connect to when you should be able to. :)  Hope it continues to work, and 
 yes, that was the check box I was so incoherently muttering about.  BTW, a 
 person with an Iphone on another list had the same problem with her Iphone 
 and Linksys router; don't think she's solved it yet, and I know it's not the 
 same as an Air, but I thought there might be a commonality.
 
 
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Re: Audio in Safari

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Try tabbing through the  installation interface for Flash.  This may allow you 
to  find the install button.
On Aug 18, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Marc Sutton wrote:

 Hi List,
 It seems that now under Mountain LIon I don't have audio playback of youtube 
 videos and other misc. audio. It may be flash related. Any ideas? I tried to 
 install flash but can't seem to select the install button. Perhaps i am 
 barking up the wrong tree but thought i'd try flash. Any suggestions. Thanks.
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Re: Audio in Safari

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I haven't updated to ML, but it seems as though the space barr by itself may 
have let me activate the install button after tabbing to it.  
On Aug 18, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Marc Sutton wrote:

 Hi,
 I was able to tab to the install button, but pressing enter or doing vo shift 
 space didn't activate the button. Or vo space for that matter. I just heard 
 the system bonk sound for no go.
 Marc
 
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 Try tabbing through the  installation interface for Flash.  This may allow 
 you to  find the install button.
 On Aug 18, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Marc Sutton wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 It seems that now under Mountain LIon I don't have audio playback of 
 youtube videos and other misc. audio. It may be flash related. Any ideas? I 
 tried to install flash but can't seem to select the install button. Perhaps 
 i am barking up the wrong tree but thought i'd try flash. Any suggestions. 
 Thanks.
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Re: Fleksy

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It's free to try, but if you want to do anything with the text you type, you 
must buy it within the app.  It was $4.99 for the last 24 hours, and I don't 
know if that price still stands.  If not on sale, it is $15.
On Aug 17, 2012, at 7:03 PM, wayne coles wrote:

   HELLO I JUST DID A SEARCH FOR FLESKY AND IT CAME UP FREE SO
 COULD THIS BE RIGHT 
 
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Re: what's the story with Menu Tab for Facebook?

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You can also choose internet explorer   8 or 9 to and it works pretty well.  
On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:08 PM, Rachel Feinberg wrote:

 Thanks very much for this, Chris. It works well for the most part! Except for 
 links being all .php, and i found you had to choose firefox for windows, and 
 not the mac version. The number was 11.0.
 Again, I've been wondering how to set this up for awhile, so thanks so much 
 for taking the time to explain it in detail.
  
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 On my mac, I use the FB mobile site.  you have to configure a few things 
 though in Safari to make it work correctly.  Let me outline those things 
 below.  Being I'm an avid mac user, and almost never use my windows box 
 anymore, I figured I could chime in here and help you out.
 
 1.  First of all, make sure you're running the most up to date version of 
 Safari.  Go to your menu bar with vo+M, then open the Apple menu, and 
 proceed by selecting Software Update.
 
 2.  Once you know that you are up to date, open up Safari, and hit 
 command+Comma to open the preferences.
 
 3.  Next, interact with the toolbar using vo+shift+down arrow, and locate 
 the advanced tab, and vo+space on it, then stop interacting with vo+shift+up 
 arrow.
 
 4.  Navigate this screen with vo+right arrow, until you find the checkbox to 
 enable the developer menu in the menu bar.  This might sound really weird, 
 but trust me with this.  It does work, I promise.  If this box isn't checked 
 go ahead and do so with vo+space.
 
 5.  Now close your preferences with command+W.
 
 6.  Now, hit command+L to get to the address bar, and type in
 
 http://m.facebook.com
 
 Beware, there is *no* www at the beginning of this URL.
 
 6.  Once here, we need to configure one thing to get this to work optymally. 
  Go to your menu bar with vo+m.  Once here navigate over to your developer 
 menu.
 
 7.  Once in the developer menu, locate the User Agent sub menu, and expand 
 it.
 
 8.  Inside User agent, hit the letter F, as in foxtrot.  This should land 
 you on Firefox 4.0.  I know again this sounds really cock eyed, but trust 
 me, I swear it works.
 
 9.  Select Firefox 4.0.  This should force the web site to reload.  Once 
 done, have a look.  You'll now find it looks totally totally accessible like 
 it did on the Windows side of things.
 
 Unfortunately, I don't think there is a way to get that to stick.  In other 
 words, each time you load the site, you're going to have to go to the 
 developer menu, user agent, Firefox 4.0 after loading up the web site.
 
 Remember, you do this after, not before, the web page is loaded.
 
 I hope this helps.
 
 If you want to see the resource I found this from, go to
 
 http://www.applevis.com
 
 and do a search for Facebook.
 
 HTH.
 
 Chris.
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 Hello, I am using Friendly for Facebook. I have been looking for a 
 accessible iPhone Facebook app, to no luck. Then I started to look at apps 
 on the Mac, and I dove into Friendly for Facebook, and it is a great app so 
 far.
 
 Ed
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 wrote:
 
 Hi Alex, I don't know why it's not working for you but it works for me. 
 When I press my designated hotkey for it to open, which is control+F, I 
 can see pretty much everything on my Facebook. I even have Growl 
 configured to tell me if there's a new notification. Perhaps you might 
 want to set up a hotkey to open it yourself. Although, I would be 
 interested in finding out if there's a better program than this, I would 
 like to be able to have news feeds from friends and companies that I've 
 liked automatically read out to me.
 
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Not automatically interacting with HTML in Safari or Webkit

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As the subject line says, automatic interaction with the HTML area in these 
browsers doesn't happen anymore for some reason.  Is there a setting somewhere? 
 

Thanks!

Kim

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Re: Not automatically interacting with HTML in Safari or Webkit

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I forgot to add that I'm using SL.
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 As the subject line says, automatic interaction with the HTML area in these 
 browsers doesn't happen anymore for some reason.  Is there a setting 
 somewhere?  
 
 Thanks!
 
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Solved automatic interaction of HTML area in Safari and Webkit

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I did this by performing a reset.  Working great now.

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Need to change email of my subscription to this list

[Kimberly thurman]

Hi folks:

I'm switching to ATT Uverse tomorrow and I need to switch my subscription to 
this and the VIphone list to a new email address.  Does anyone have Raul's 
email address so I  can email him directly to get this done?  

Thanks much!

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Re: Upgrading to lion from snow leopard

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I have a  late 2009 Macbook Pro, which I upgraded to 8 gigs of ram.  I heard 
during the keynote that you can upgrade from SL to ML without needing Lion.  At 
least that's where I think I heard it.  lol
On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:46 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

 Kimberly, how much memory do you have?
 
 On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:31 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
 
 You can upgrade from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion.  I already tried the 
 upgrade from SL to Lion and hated it.  I went back to SL and don't know if 
 I'll give ML a shot or not.
 On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:08 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Who's to say you can update from snow leopard straight to Mountain Lion to 
 start with?
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
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 Why not just wait a few weeks and update to mountain lion? 
 
 Jason LeFevers 
 State of Maryland Registered massage practitioner 
 Call 443-570-8660 or email jasonlefevers.mass...@gmail.com to schedule a 
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 Sent from my iPhone
 
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 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I'm thinking of upgrading to Lion from snow leopard.
 My macbook white from 2009 which I got on sale has one gb of ram is this 
 enough to upgrade to lion and still have good voiceover performance or do 
 I need more ram?
 Can I just download lion from the app store and let it install?
 Thanks,
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Re: Upgrading to lion from snow leopard

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You can upgrade from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion.  I already tried the 
upgrade from SL to Lion and hated it.  I went back to SL and don't know if I'll 
give ML a shot or not.
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 Who's to say you can update from snow leopard straight to Mountain Lion to 
 start with?
 
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 www.appletothecore.info
 
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 Why not just wait a few weeks and update to mountain lion? 
 
 Jason LeFevers 
 State of Maryland Registered massage practitioner 
 Call 443-570-8660 or email jasonlefevers.mass...@gmail.com to schedule a 
 massage today! 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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 Hi,
 I'm thinking of upgrading to Lion from snow leopard.
 My macbook white from 2009 which I got on sale has one gb of ram is this 
 enough to upgrade to lion and still have good voiceover performance or do I 
 need more ram?
 Can I just download lion from the app store and let it install?
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Re: ColorVisor update to Version 1.1

[Kimberly thurman]

Don't waste your money.
On Jun 13, 2012, at 8:53 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

 I have a quick question. I don't have this app yet, so can't test
 this: how does it work in different light? For instance, will it know
 my green shirt from my yellow regardless of whether I am in florecent
 or incandescent light? I don't have an iPhone, and my iPod has no
 flash, so I can't give it a constant light source.
 
 On 6/13/12, Jan Blüher jn.b...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hallo MacVisionaries,
 
 today, a new version of my color identification app ColorVisor has been
 released. It adds the following new features:
 - support for Italian and French,
 - iCloud support for saved colors,
 - in-App user manual,
 - now also available in Norway and New Zealand.
 
 VoiceOver is still supported.
 
 You will find the ColorVisor on the App Store at:
 http://itunes.com/app/ColorVisor
 
 More information can be found on my web site at:
 http://visorApps.com/ColorVisor/
 
 Hints, questions, and requests are very appreciated.
 
 Greetings
 
 Jan
 
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 ColorVisor - The app to identify colors.
 Available on the App Store:
 http://itunes.com/app/ColorVisor
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 visorApps - Accessible apps for iPad  iPhone
 Bayreuther Str. 2
 D-01187 Dresden
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 phone: +49 (0) 351 16053907
 mobile: +49 (0) 176 34926242
 e-mail: jan.blue...@visorapps.com
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Re: ColorVisor update to Version 1.1

[Kimberly thurman]

There's absolutely  nothing different.  With this one, all you get is the 
privilege of spending $5 American, and still do not have a reliable color 
reader.
On Jun 13, 2012, at 8:52 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

 Please tell me what's so different avout this App as other colour apps have 
 not worked.
 
 Kawal.
 
 On 13 Jun 2012, at 01:48 PM, Jan Blüher jn.b...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Hallo MacVisionaries,
 
 today, a new version of my color identification app ColorVisor has been 
 released. It adds the following new features:
 - support for Italian and French,
 - iCloud support for saved colors,
 - in-App user manual,
 - now also available in Norway and New Zealand.
 
 VoiceOver is still supported.
 
 You will find the ColorVisor on the App Store at:
 http://itunes.com/app/ColorVisor
 
 More information can be found on my web site at:
 http://visorApps.com/ColorVisor/
 
 Hints, questions, and requests are very appreciated.
 
 Greetings
 
 Jan
 
 ---
 ColorVisor - The app to identify colors.
 Available on the App Store:
 http://itunes.com/app/ColorVisor
 ---
 Dr. Jan Blüher
 visorApps - Accessible apps for iPad  iPhone
 Bayreuther Str. 2
 D-01187 Dresden
 Germany
 
 phone: +49 (0) 351 16053907
 mobile: +49 (0) 176 34926242
 e-mail: jan.blue...@visorapps.com
 web: http://visorApps.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/#visorApps
 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/VisorApps
 
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Re: Extreme mail weirdness! Am I being spammed? Is it a virus on the Mac?

[Kimberly thurman]

After much googling and endless frustration with emails which just kept 
reappearing after I deleted them  multiple times from my inboxes, I removed all 
my mailboxes and added them again.  This seems to have fixed the problem.  
Thanks for the suggestions.  I still don't know what caused such a  thing to 
happen, but it was extremely irritating.  
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 I note that there *IS* a Stanley Robinson on this list, though I'm not saying 
 he sent them; he may have been hacked, which would maybe account for how he 
 got multiple of your addresses, if he's on multiple lists with you.
 
 
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Extreme mail weirdness! Am I being spammed? Is it a virus on the Mac?

[Kimberly thurman]

Hello listers,

I have an email that keeps coming back in my inboxes no matter how many times I 
delete it.  It seems to replicate itself about 5 or 6 times in 3 of my mail 
boxes.  My ISP addresses, as well as my Hotmail inboxes are effected.  These 
messages are always from May 17 and 18 at various times of the day.  The 
subject line is:  Merritt Line Rocking Bargains and the sender is Stanley 
Robinson.  

I've heard rumblings lately of a Mac virus.  Do I have one and how do I get rid 
of it if I do?  

Thanks much folks, and have a wonderful day wherever you are.

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Re: blindmicemegamall movie vault and illegal file-sharing allegation

[Kimberly thurman]

Christine, I agree with you completely.  There is a screenreader company who  
also provides access to described content as part of their network.  I wonder 
if these offerings were gotten completely on the up and up?  I use the vault 
myself for my own entertainment and nothing more.  I'm not trying to sell it or 
redistribute it in any way.  Every time I enjoy a described  show with one of 
those awesome British accents narrating, I say thank God for the folks across 
the pond who believe visually impaired folks have as much right to described 
content as they can make available.  I, too, would happily purchase content 
were it available, but since it is not, I will continue to utilize this 
described material as long as it remains an option.  I hear the federal 
incarceration facilities are kind of nice ,just in case they decide to lock us 
all up.  We may be needing a good attorney.  *smiles*
On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:

 With all due respect, Scott, laws which disparately impact certain groups or 
 classes of people have been flouted through civil disobedience since the 
 introduction of legal systems, e.g., civil rights, disability rights, 
 employment rights, etc. The United States might not exist were it not for 
 disobeying laws. 
 I am an attorney, and it continues to amaze me how slowly the U.S. is moving 
 to accommodate disability, and how snail-paced the societal shift in 
 attitudes toward us has been.  and it seems that whenever a company like 
 Apple makes great strides in accommodating blindness off the shelf, plenty of 
 other technologies come along and do not bother to incorporate us into their 
 equation. So many educational apps, for example, are not accessible, though 
 they could be, and given the push now to have iPads in classrooms, once again 
 blind, visually impaired, and otherwise print-disabled students will be left 
 out. Apple moves us two steps forward, and progress (for others) moves us 
 three steps back. I should be able to turn on a television, flip a switch, or 
 turn on a transmitter, and get descriptions. I should be able to access books 
 on the Nook or the Kindle, not just iBooks. I cannot express, and I am sure 
 others here agree, the happiness I feel when a new release or best-selling 
 publication is available on iBooks.
 (Incidentally, if a book is available on iBooks and on bookshare.org, I 
 purchase the book. Yet, I have lost quite a lot of money as a published 
 author -- as soon as my book was published, I sent a copy to bookshare.org; 
 it was more important to me to have it available at the same time to the 
 blind and print-disabled. The Authors Guild apparently does not care about 
 such access, despite the fact that they would actually get money from us.)
 
 I would happily go to the movies more and happily purchase audio-described 
 movies through iTunes if they were available. Even movies which are released 
 with audio description are not always sold through movie resellers -- 
 goodness knows I have tried. To date, I have only located The Incredible 
 Hulk, from 2008, which I purchased for my son.
 Even Apple could do more. It could strengthen its requirements for apps. It 
 has provided developers with the means to make their apps VoiceOver 
 accessible, and there are plenty of apps out there which could be so. Only 
 apps that are visual by their very nature should be exempted. But, as usual, 
 profit trumps  people, despite the fact that the disabled community rewards 
 those who remember us with our business. 
 Frankly, I would prefer to purchase the audio-described movies and shows I 
 download from the vault, so that I could watch them with sighted friends and 
 family. I wish I could show a film to a class and not have to ask my para or 
 a student to tell me what is going on. The entertainment industry gets plenty 
 of my money. If they want more, they should remember that I deserve to be 
 able to access their material independently. OK. Topic over. Those of you who 
 wish to continue this off-list are welcome; I've appreciated your 
 correspondence thus far. 
 Christine
 On Apr 28, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
 I am sure commenting on this only adds fuel to the fire, but I did want to 
 point out that as I recall the person that is responsible for this movie 
 vault thing also runs a legit company. I would find it difficult to believe 
 that he has not checked into this because no one would want to put their 
 business assets at risk. If there truly is an investigation then prove it. I 
 get pretty annoyed when people claim something, but cannot or do not provide 
 any reference to back those claims. And for the record I do not condone 
 pirating of any kind and believe that regardless of accessibility issues  
 even blind people must follow the laws.
 
 
 On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:51 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
 
 Naturally, if the moderator deems this discussion verboten, I will refrain 
 

Re: Very odd mail server issue

[Kimberly thurman]

This happens to me using hotmail but not gmail.  I'm still using SL.  I 
upgraded to Lion, but hated it and went back to SL.
On Apr 7, 2012, at 7:58 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:

 Happy holidays to all those celebrating. I am perplexed about something which 
 has been happening almost every time I try to send mail for the first time 
 after a significant inactive period -- say a few hours. I write a message 
 from within Apple mail, and when I send it, a dialog comes in telling me I 
 must enter my password. It has a box to check for keep this password in my 
 keychain which I always check. Then everything is fine for a while. This 
 happens both at work and at home. It started  a few weeks ago for no apparent 
 reason. My settings have not been changed. Any ideas?
 Thanks.
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Re: Another Annoying issue in mail.

[Kimberly thurman]

Ricardo, I did use the classic view, and it was still clunky.  I haven't had 
one busy in mail since I went back to Snow Leopard.  My whole system was just 
clunky under Lion, and maybe it's because I just ran the update and didn't 
install it fresh and then import my stuff, I don't know.  I run Windows 7 in a 
virtual machine under Fusion.  Don't know if that made it more clunky.  

The whole machine just runs so much smoother under Snow Leopard, and I didn't 
see any glaring feature of Lion that makes we want to go running back.  *smiles*
On Feb 28, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 Why didn't you just go back to Mails classic layout then?
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Feb 27, 2012, at 7:56 PM, Kimberly thurman kimthur...@insightbb.com 
 wrote:
 
 I updated to Lion a few weeks ago.  Mail was awful under Lion, which is why 
 I was not terribly upset this weekend when my Macbook Pro crashed completely 
 for the first time ever in the 27 months I've owned it.  I had to erase and 
 reinstall from the Snow Leopard disk that came with the Macbook, and I 
 hadn't run a Time Machine backup since before I installed Lion, so I just 
 restored that backup.  My Macbook runs so much better over all with Snow 
 Leopard than it did in the few weeks I had Lion, and mail works flawlessly.  
 None of that busy stuff.  I just think mail under Lion is plain clunky.  
 On Feb 27, 2012, at 7:30 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote:
 
 I think the better question is, given that we don't have bugs in iPhone 
 mail, why do we have them in Mail on the Mac? :)
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 On Feb 27, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
 Mail is so simple to read using the I phone 4S if you have a bluetooth 
 keyboard for convienience sake to reply with, at least you know you've 
 replied to an e-mail.  Why do we not have bugs in the I phone mail?
 
 Kawal.
 
 On 27 Feb 2012, at 10:09 PM, Goodin, Donna dgoo...@umich.edu wrote:
 
 Hey Kawal,
 
 I'm starting to wonder if my Mac is possessed. lol  I don't have the 
 problem you describe at all.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 On Feb 27, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
 Hello All.
 
 Don't know if any one has noticed since the update of Lion, when ever 
 you open a mail, Voice Over is always reading the person's e-mail 
 address before the message.  I prefer the old way where it just read the 
 message.
 
 Kawal.
 
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Re: the mystery is solved! (was Another Annoying issue in mail)

[Kimberly thurman]

Yeah, I use threaded messages all the time and this did not work right at all 
under Lion.  It would appear messages were from the wrong person all the time.  
Ugh!
On Feb 28, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

 Now, if we can only solve the read by thread issue.  That's the one plegueing 
 me at the moment.  Can't use the right arrow key to expand a thread so I have 
 to use control+tab.  The only way to resolve this is to restart my machine.  
 Pressing enter on a calapsed thread usually crashes my mail.
 
 PS.  Damn, can't type today.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
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 facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
 
 
 
 On Feb 28, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Goodin, Donna wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Whoever posted that having the preview pane open was what was causing the 
 read status not to be spoken was absolutely correct.  This explains why I 
 didn't start seeing this till Saturday, I had had the preview pane turned 
 off, and somehow managed to get it visible again.
 
 Anyway, follow Ricardo's instructions below to disable preview pane, and you 
 will hear the read status spoken.  One note: make sure you perform the mouse 
 click from the track pad.  If you try and do it from the keyboard it won't 
 work.
 
 Glad we've got at least one mail issue solved. :)
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 On Feb 28, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 lol,
 
 Its not that bad.  There is a vertical splitter that separates the messages 
 column group which contains the messages table and the message content area 
 which is the preview pane.  Just make sure your mouse cursor is focused on 
 this vertical splitter and double click with your trackpad or mouse.  If 
 using a trackpad, make sure VO's trackpad commander is off.  
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Feb 28, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Goodin, Donna dgoo...@umich.edu wrote:
 
 Ricardo,
 
 Do you remember how to do this?  I remember doing it when I first got my 
 Mac, and it seemed to involve magical incantations, dancing in a circle 
 around a bonfire under the full moon, etc.  lol  It took me forever to 
 actually do it.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 On Feb 28, 2012, at 8:23 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 you can just close the preview pain so you need to press enter on the 
 message to view it in a different window.  This will then mark the 
 message as read.  Are more accurately, unmark the message as unread.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
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 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Feb 28, 2012, at 2:20 AM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I still find for the fastest and most efficient way to read my e-mail
 is to use mutt on my Linux box.  That's hardly the right answer for a
 Mac users list though.  When I am in Apple's Mail, the only complaint
 I have right now other than general GUI clunkiness, is the problem
 with VO not reading the read/unread status.
 
 I'm quite sure I know why these statuses aren't being read by VO
 however.  Every time you cursor down the list of messages, The
 adjacent window containing the selected message is opened, thus the
 status changes to 'read' and AFAIK, there is no symbol present for VO
 to speak once it is read.  I forgot how to keep the message from being
 opened even in classic view so I went back to the newer presentation
 and if I really want to see the statuses, I just turn VO tracking off
 and then look down the list of messages with VO-arrow keys and this
 way, the messages don't get selected nor opened.  All I need now would
 be a single hot key to bring the application cursor down to where the
 VO cursor is.  We have a command to go the other way but not this way.
 
 I could be mistaken with some of these observations because I'm stil
 one of those new guys.
 
 On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 07:39:07PM -0500, Goodin, Donna wrote:
 It seems like the Mail bugs are a little inconsistent.  I don't have 
 the issue Kawal mentions.  And,  I didn't have the problem with VO not 
 reading the read status, till Saturday, and I have no idea 1, why I 
 didn't have it before, and 2, why it started on Saturday.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 On Feb 27, 2012, at 7:08 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
 Funny, I have not noticed this myself.
 
 On Feb 27, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
 Hello All.
 
 Don't know if any one has noticed since the update of Lion, when ever 
 you open a mail, Voice Over is always reading the person's e-mail 
 address before the message.  I prefer the old way where it just read 
 the message.
 
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Re: Add and remove apps from dock

[Kimberly thurman]

To add to dock, command/shift/T while you're sitting on the name of the 
application in the finder.  
You can remove from dock by pressing VO/shift/M and choosing options, and then 
choose remove from dock.  I don't know a keystroke to remove from doc.  Hope 
this helps!  :)
On Feb 28, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Michael Malarsie wrote:

 I know there is a keyboard shortcut to add and remove program to the dock. 
 ANyone know this off the top of their head?
   I know to add it is someting plus shift plus T but I can't remember 
 anything else. Thanks!
 
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Re: Another Annoying issue in mail.

[Kimberly thurman]

I updated to Lion a few weeks ago.  Mail was awful under Lion, which is why I 
was not terribly upset this weekend when my Macbook Pro crashed completely for 
the first time ever in the 27 months I've owned it.  I had to erase and 
reinstall from the Snow Leopard disk that came with the Macbook, and I hadn't 
run a Time Machine backup since before I installed Lion, so I just restored 
that backup.  My Macbook runs so much better over all with Snow Leopard than it 
did in the few weeks I had Lion, and mail works flawlessly.  None of that busy 
stuff.  I just think mail under Lion is plain clunky.  
On Feb 27, 2012, at 7:30 PM, Goodin, Donna wrote:

 I think the better question is, given that we don't have bugs in iPhone mail, 
 why do we have them in Mail on the Mac? :)
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 On Feb 27, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
 Mail is so simple to read using the I phone 4S if you have a bluetooth 
 keyboard for convienience sake to reply with, at least you know you've 
 replied to an e-mail.  Why do we not have bugs in the I phone mail?
 
 Kawal.
 
 On 27 Feb 2012, at 10:09 PM, Goodin, Donna dgoo...@umich.edu wrote:
 
 Hey Kawal,
 
 I'm starting to wonder if my Mac is possessed. lol  I don't have the 
 problem you describe at all.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 On Feb 27, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
 Hello All.
 
 Don't know if any one has noticed since the update of Lion, when ever you 
 open a mail, Voice Over is always reading the person's e-mail address 
 before the message.  I prefer the old way where it just read the message.
 
 Kawal.
 
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Help with reading mail by thread in Lion. (New Lion user)

[Kimberly thurman]

Hello all:

I just updated my Mac Book Pro to Lion, and am a little baffled by mail.  I 
have mine in threaded by conversation view, but it does not react like it did 
under SN.  I'm trying to figure out how to read all the messages in a 
multimessage thread.  I know there is some setting I should probably change, 
but I have no idea which one.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  

Kim

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Upgrading to Lion and my virtual machine with windows 7 and jaws

[Kimberly thurman]

HI folks:

I still haven't taken the plunge and updated my MBP to Lion.  I have VMware 
Fusion with Windows 7 in a virtual machine with JAWS.  If I do a clean install, 
can I install the virtual machine inside Fusion from a Time machine backup?  If 
not, what do you suggest?  If I just run the upgrade instead do you think I'm 
asking for trouble?  Anybody know of any step by step instructions for doing a 
clean install and installing the backup once the OS has been updated?  

Thanks in advance!

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Re: issue with google chrome

[Kimberly thurman]

I'm having tons of issues with Safari as well, and the last three weeks sounds 
about right.  I haven't updated to Lion yet either.  Seems like several sites I 
visit tend to stall out just about the time I get to the information I need.  
The HTML will close and I'll be dumped into the bookmarks bar.  I interact with 
the HTML again, and same thing when I get to a certain point on the page.  I'm 
going to Windows more and more for web surfing, and I don't like to have to do 
that, but IE is working better than Safari or WebKit at this point.  
On Aug 14, 2011, at 3:11 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:

 oh yeah. the dreaded safari busy problem. I am seeing that a lot more 
 lately. its even happening in the new webkit versions. on top of the safari 
 issues, I also have mail.app behaving in an odd manner. it starts stuttering 
 reading the mail titles and even tries to repeat the same line 3 times in 
 voiceover. its getting so irritating that I give up reading e-mails except in 
 small batches. this particular problem only cropped up in the last 3 weeks. I 
 have done all the usual system corrections (scanning permissions and even the 
 repair disk function). so far, no dice.
 
 please don't ask me to upgrade to lion as I don't have the money nor the 
 supported hardware. I already tried and the installer barfed while starting 
 up. even when I got visual help here to see what the problem was they told me 
 it was not possible to install lion on my system as the cpu was considered 
 too old. I am saving up for a new mac mini i7. until then, I am stuck with 
 whatever I have.
 
 -Eric 
 On Aug 13, 2011, at 11:49 PM, Shen wrote:
 
 I have the same problems with Chrome. But when I was prompted to choose a 
 search engine, I chose the first image button. I figure the choices are 
 probably Google, Yahoo and Bing. I'm quite certain Google is the first 
 choice, and I was right.
 I am able to read an html site, but for some reason, some links don't click. 
 Drop down menus like amazon.com does not work. When I type something in an 
 edit box, apparently it is going into the box, but VoiceOver does not read 
 it back to me.
 I can't use tab navigation the way I do in Safari.
 In Chrome Preferences, I can get past the first tab, which is Basic.
 In my opinion, Chrome is somewhat accessible,but it's not ready to replace 
 Safari.
 I wish there is something that can replace Safari. At this point, I'm ready 
 to go back to Windows and using Firefox with Jaws or Window-Eyes. At least 
 it's not going to say Safari busy.
 
 
 On Aug 13, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
 
 well,
 I wanted to try out google chrome today and couldn't even get past the 
 select a search engine interface. all it presented me with was 3 images and 
 3 unlabeled buttons. also, I couldn't use any of the web item rotor 
 controls and even command Q would not terminate the application. so, unless 
 anyone has some suggestions on how I can use chrome, I guess I am still 
 stuck with safari. 
 
 I really hate the thought of going back to windows after spending a year in 
 OS X. I hated dealing with windows and its arbitrary interface that wasn't 
 very blind friendly (even with NVDA). anyone have any clues for me?
 
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Re: safari question in lion

[Kimberly thurman]

Doesn't command/option/L while in Safari to get to the downloads list work in 
Lion?  I haven't updated yet.  I'm taking the wait and see approach.  :)
On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:05 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:

 To get to the downloads in Safari, go to the Google search box with 
 Cmd-Option-f then VO-Right arrow once and you're on the Downloads button.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
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 hi does anyone know where the download progress is in safari when 
 downloading something
 can't find it
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Re: lion

[Kimberly thurman]

Hello Matt:

If you go into the Apple menu (VO M) and down arrow until you come to App store 
and press enter, you can give it a look yourself.  It works a lot like the 
iTunes store and the App store for the I devices.  It's very similar.

hth
On Jul 7, 2011, at 10:14 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote:

 Hi guys, I promise this is the only time I am going to ask this. How, on the 
 day it comes out, will lion be obtained from the app store? I have only used 
 the ITUnes store, not realy sure about the mac store, so I am a bit confused. 
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Re: Generating Touchtones on the Mac

[Kimberly thurman]

Mark,

I haven't experienced this with Skype, but I have a Magic Jack, and often have 
the same problem.  I think the interference has something to do with the 
internet connecting with the land lines, cell phones, etc.  I experience this 
when talking to people who have cell phones more than land lines, and it seems 
to be worse in the evening, when it is logical that there would be more traffic 
on the internet from my neighborhood.  I have cable internet, by the way.  

Some times I can hang up and have the person call me back and this stops, but 
not always.  Some times I can talk and it's as clear as a bell, and other 
times, not so clear.  
On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:38 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

 another problem I've sometimes had occurs during Skype calls to telephones, 
 or from them.  A few minutes into the conversation, callers report that my 
 audio breaks up and is shot through with a clicking type static which makes 
 it impossible to understand me.  Since I'm using Skype as my main home phone, 
 this is kind of a drag.  Has anyone found a resin for and solution to this?
 
 
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Re: Will It Be Easy To Install Lion?

[Kimberly thurman]

Mike, how about making a podcast of this?  Just a suggestion.  :)
On Jul 6, 2011, at 9:16 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

 We should be able to install it without sighted help, it can be installed as 
 an upgrade, though I plan to make an install disk, erase my hard drive and 
 install from scratch, installing a version of an operating system over the 
 top of another is a recipe for problems.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
 
 Hey all. I know it's been a while since I last wrote. Been busy with a lot 
 of stuff. Anyway I was just wondering, since someone on here said that Lion 
 will be released either this week or next week, will it be easy to install 
 for us visually impaired users?
 
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Re: Sort of bazaar problem with Voiceover Focus

[Kimberly thurman]

I have experienced this behavior on my late 2009 MBP ever since I first began 
using it.  Restarting VO fixes it, so I've never let it concern me too much.
On Jun 28, 2011, at 7:13 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:

 Hi Chris -- I have experienced this a bunch of times recently on my 2010 MBA. 
 I've gotten so used to turning VO off and on several times a day that I 
 hadn't even bothered to try troubleshooting the issue. I don't think I've 
 seen it happen since updating to 10.6.8, but it's only been a few days...
 
 Cheers,
 Bryan
 
 On Jun 28, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
 
 This is really odd.  Even before pulling the 10.6.8 update, I have noticed 
 that quite often enough, If I press vo+M twice to go to my status bar, so I 
 can check my battery, half of the time Voiceover won't move past the first 
 bit of the menu bar.  The only way I've found to deal with that is to 
 restart Voiceover.  I've noted this on my macbook, my friend's macbook and 
 one of my friend's IMacs.  So, this must not be a specific macbook thing 
 just to my unit or 
 
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Re: average ram for a blind user?

[Kimberly thurman]

I have a late 2009 13 inch Macbook Pro with a 2.26 GHZ processor and 8 gigs of 
ram.  I run Windows 7 under Fusion and OSX side by side with Voice Over and 
Jaws 12 both running.  I have had several applications running on both sides at 
once very successfully.  JAWS still crackles and slightly stutters minimally 
and quite randomly.  If you're going to open it up, why not max it out.  I used 
a third part 8 gig ram kit.  I don't remember the brand, but as long as it has 
the same specs, it will do the trick.
On Jun 25, 2011, at 12:24 AM, KliphSharrie wrote:

 Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few 
 basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things.  
 Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no more 
 than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste.  I'm no exburt, 
 but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that the more  
 ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC.  This person seem 
 to think even if you had a fast processor, that spending money on ram was a 
 waste.  Now I will admitt, that apple is a little pricy when it comes to ram, 
 but there are third party sellers out there with compatable memory for just 
 about any system.  Thoughts?  Oh, 1 more thing this person said, that the 
 only way more than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were doing some high 
 quality video or audio editting.  What do you all think or know about these 
 numbers and comments?
 
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RE: iWorks - moving from MS Office

[Kimberly]

One thing I think you can't do is track changes. If you use this function a
lot, as I do, you'll have to have your windows os with ms word to do that.

Kimber


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Subject: Re: iWorks - moving from MS Office


Hello Vince,

I haven't used MS Office, but I know a bit about iWork09. It works very well
apart from handling Tables in Pages. If you wish to put a table in a Pages
document, you have to create it in Numbers, then copy and paste it into
Pages, where you can't see it for what it is. It will just show up as a
highlighted space, but if you copy that space and paste it into a Numbers
document, you'll find the whole table is there.

Apart from that, you can set styles, change colours and font types, and so
on.

There are a couple of VoiceOver On podcasts about iWork09 that might get you
started.

Cheers,

Anne


On Jun 24, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Vince Mistretta wrote:

 Hi,

 I'm contemplating on moving my day-to-day productivity work over to
 the Mac and was wondering from those whom had used MS Office under
 Windows felt about the ease of use of iWorks.

 I've never used Office versions later than 2003 so my experience is
 limited to those related to that and later versions.  I do, however,
 receive documents, spreadsheets and presentations which were created
 under newer versions of Office and do have a need to move out the same
 to others.  How well is this handled??  If I run W7 under VMWare or
 BootCamp, I'd still have to pull in a copy of Office compatible with
 W7 and that's even more cost so just trying to keep my expenses down.
 Otherwise, I'll have to find a Windows based notebook for this work.
 I'm still hoping my next notebook would be a MBP instead of a Windows
 notebook.  Right now, for an investment of $79.00 for iWorks seems
 more economical for my iMac than doing it
 with W7 and Office plus VMWare.  Then, once I get my MBP, purchasing
 it all again (of course I really wouldn't have to since docs and files
 are saved also under native iWorks file types).

 Also, I remember someone asking about an OSX compatible Database
 program to handle databases from Access but don't remember seeing an
 answer.  Has anyone found such a program?


 Thanks,
 Vince

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Re: Vuescan a disappointment for OCR

[Kimberly thurman]

Is it possible your document was upside down?  I made sure mine was right side 
up.  I know that automatic orientation would be a great feature, but it is 
often easy to tell which end of a document is the top by a staple, or possibly 
even having someone orient documents for you before you throw them on the 
scanner.  

I had great results with it, but I was sure the document was right side up and 
followed Ann's list of settings to the letter.
On Jun 13, 2011, at 9:35 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

 Who ever said they got good results with Vuescan OCR, I'd like to know how 
 you set it up.  All I know is this.  With Vuescan 9.45, (the 32 bit version), 
 the following things happen after I set it up according to the instructions.
 
 1.  Text editor refuses to open when the scan is completed.  This did not 
 happen with earlier version.
 
 2.  When I manually opened the file in Text edit, all I get is 
 unreckognizable garbage.  This, from the very same page which yielded very 
 good results with Abby Fine reader.  I believe that if I am not much 
 mistaken, Christer was complaining of the very same issues.
 
 I think they've gone and broken something.
 
 Any thoughts?
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
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Re: Issues with VueScan 9.x

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Ray, Vuscan does now do OCR.  I've had great success with it.  Ann Robertson 
posted settings for this in the last few days and I'll post them at the end of 
this message.  :)

1) Select Input;
1.1) Task: Scan to file;
1.2) Source: Your scanner;
1.3) Media: Text;
1.4) Media size: Auto;
1.5) Preview resolution: 300 dpi;
1.6) Scan resolution: 300 dpi;
2) Select Output;
2.1) Default folder: Folder you have created for this purpose;
2.2) Printed size: Scan size;
2.3) TIFF file: unchecked check box;
2.4) JPEG file: unchecked check box;
2.5) PDF file: unchecked check box;
2.6) OCR text file: checked check box;
2.7) OCR text file name: Name for document being scanned;
2.8) OCR text multi page: check or uncheck as needed;
2.9) Raw file: unchecked check box;
3) Select Prefs;
3.1) Language: Choose your language out of the 29 available;
3.2) Font size (pt): 16;
3.3 Crop units: mm;
3.4) Printed units: mm;
3.5 External viewer: unchecked check box;
3.6) External editor: checked check box;
3.7) Editor: TextEdit.

It creates rtf files that you can then open in Text Edit.  I'm glad I didn't 
shell out $299 for Docuscan Plus.  

On Jun 12, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

 Uh, well, sounds to me like your not running OCR at all.  YOu need to run 
 VUScan and then run OCR with Abby Fine reader or some other OcR app and then 
 save through your OcR app.  VUScan will not do OCR directly.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
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 On Jun 12, 2011, at 6:19 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
 
 Hello there.
 I'm trying to use VueScan to see if it's as good as Abbyy when it comes to 
 ocr and that kind of stuff. I have a problem, though. I can't seem to open 
 textedit and see the results of the scanned documents, even though i have 
 chosen to have textedit as external text editor. Do i have to also start 
 textedit before using VueScan or what should i do?
 Thanks so much.
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Re: Issues with VueScan 9.x

[Kimberly thurman]

I think I purchased it through the Vuscan website, so I don't know.
On Jun 12, 2011, at 9:06 PM, David Tanner wrote:

 Can VUScan be purchased through the app store?
 
 
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 Ray, Vuscan does now do OCR.  I've had great success with it.  Ann Robertson 
 posted settings for this in the last few days and I'll post them at the end 
 of this message.  :)
 
 1) Select Input;
 1.1) Task: Scan to file;
 1.2) Source: Your scanner;
 1.3) Media: Text;
 1.4) Media size: Auto;
 1.5) Preview resolution: 300 dpi;
 1.6) Scan resolution: 300 dpi;
 2) Select Output;
 2.1) Default folder: Folder you have created for this purpose;
 2.2) Printed size: Scan size;
 2.3) TIFF file: unchecked check box;
 2.4) JPEG file: unchecked check box;
 2.5) PDF file: unchecked check box;
 2.6) OCR text file: checked check box;
 2.7) OCR text file name: Name for document being scanned;
 2.8) OCR text multi page: check or uncheck as needed;
 2.9) Raw file: unchecked check box;
 3) Select Prefs;
 3.1) Language: Choose your language out of the 29 available;
 3.2) Font size (pt): 16;
 3.3 Crop units: mm;
 3.4) Printed units: mm;
 3.5 External viewer: unchecked check box;
 3.6) External editor: checked check box;
 3.7) Editor: TextEdit.
 
 It creates rtf files that you can then open in Text Edit.  I'm glad I didn't 
 shell out $299 for Docuscan Plus.
 
 On Jun 12, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 
 Uh, well, sounds to me like your not running OCR at all.  YOu need to run 
 VUScan and then run OCR with Abby Fine reader or some other OcR app and then 
 save through your OcR app.  VUScan will not do OCR directly.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 Facebook:
 facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
 
 
 
 On Jun 12, 2011, at 6:19 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
 
 Hello there.
 I'm trying to use VueScan to see if it's as good as Abbyy when it comes to 
 ocr and that kind of stuff. I have a problem, though. I can't seem to open 
 textedit and see the results of the scanned documents, even though i have 
 chosen to have textedit as external text editor. Do i have to also start 
 textedit before using VueScan or what should i do?
 Thanks so much.
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RE: Buying a mac computer

[Kimberly]

Another point worth noting is if you do decide on the Macbook air, it's
worth it to buy an external numpad as having a nunmpad makes things a bit
easier.

Kimber

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Hi Wendy:
I'll leave the descriptions to others here, other than saying the Macbook
air has no cd/dvd drive, is lighter, and it's hard drive is a solid-state as
opposed to optical.
But you might want to take a look at the Apple site.  Under the Mac heading,
there are good explanations and comparison tools.  There is also some
helpful information about making the switch from pc to mac, as well as
information on accessibility.  If you type switching, or accessibility into
their search box, you'll likely find some good helpful info.

Carolyn

On Jun 9, 2011, at 7:19 AM, Wendy Alling wrote:

 Hello all,

 I'm new to the list and am seriously considering taking the plunge into
the mac world.  Can anyone on list give me some recommendations on
purchasing a mac?  What are the differences in MacBook Pro and MacBook Air?

 Thanks,
 Wendy

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RE: transition from pc to mac

[Kimberly]

This is truly an incredibly helpful post.

I've had my Mac for several months but haven't made the switch from Jaws and
the pc because I find the command structure and especially web navigation
totally not intuitive. But these two suggestions have made me want to give
it another try.

Kim

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This was a marvelously helpful message. I read nothing about either of these
features in the voiceover quickstart, and no one has suggested them. Thank
you so, so much for making me aware of them. I think this will make the Mac
and I better friends in a much more timely manner. (Smile)

Shannon
Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until
three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point
your media player to:
http://mojoradio.us/listen
or
www.mintfm.net

On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

 Joanne,

 for me the podcasts etc do help, but by far the biggest thing that very
few people seem to throw up as the most obviously easy way into Mac usage is
to use QuickNav.

 let me explain, there are a number of ways to use a Mac, unlike with a PC,
where you can really only use the qwerty keyboard.

 A Mac has different commanders as they are referred to, these are ways of
inputting commands or actions to Voice Over to make a desired thing happen,
be it navigation or more.

 you can use your keyboard, with the Voice Over keys, control and options,
with a range of additional keys to activate various commands. You can use
the number pad if your keyboard has one to also do the same, if you have a
track pad you can use that to gesture like you can on an iPHone, iPod Touch
or iPad.

 but the big one for me that is often overlooked is Quick Nav, quick nav
uses the four arrow keys to enable you to quickly navigate around everything
from finder Windows, to apps, to text edit areas to the internet etc.

 firstly you need to know that in certain cases you have to turn quick nav
off and indeed back on again. you enable / disable quick nav using the left
and right arrow keys pressed once at the same time. quite literally left and
right arrow keys press once together.

 you'll hear Voice Over say, Quick Nav on or off.

 once its on, you can use individual presses of the right / left arrow to
move the Voice Over cursor from item to item on the screen...

 inserted little note here, you need to also understand that whilst PC's
screen readers use up and down arrows to move you about, the Mac uses left /
right, and thinking about this, it does make sense, as this is how sighted
folk read.

 so the left / right keys will move item by item, be it a chunk of text on
the internet, or icons on a desktop etc.

 the up / down arrow keys again individually pressed will cycle through the
elements of the item that you are interacting with based on the rotor
setting, the rotor is a dial or rotory styled switch which adjusts the
method of moving through elements in a given thing.

 let me explain, a web-site is made up of headings, links, visited links,
fields, form fields, tables etc. so when you're in Safari the rotor may
have, and you can customise this, headings, tables, links, words and
characters within the rotor. if you want to quickly move between the
headings on a web page you should make sure that the rotor is set to
headings, you cchange the roter setting by pressing together the up and left
arrow keys, or the up and right arrow keys.

 once you're on heading, use the up / down arrow key indivually to jump
between headings since this is what your roter is now set to.

 say you find the heading you are looking for, you can now right arrow
through the content, imagine though you find a word that Voice Over doesn't
quite read right, and you think, what did it say? change the roter to word,
using the up and right or up and left arrows together, now down press until
yu are one word ahead of the word you wish to have spelt, now change the
roter to charicter, press down arrow and the cursor will move charicter by
charicter.

 once done simply change the roter bakc to heading or whatever you wish.

 this is just one example of how the roter works.

 another amazing thing which gets little press is the Item Chooser, which
by pressing control, options, I, will bring up a list of every single item
on any page you are on, be it a finder window or safari window etc.

 this has to be one of my favourite features of Voice Over.

 with this snazy feature you now have a list of every componant on the
screen, say you are on Amazon, and you've got an item up in front of you,
you want to find the add to basket button, but can't.

 press control, options, I, and then type basket, or b, a, s and leave it
at that... the list of items reduces 

Re: Vuescan question

[Kimberly thurman]

Donna, VO/shift/M, down to eject and there you go.  hth
On Jun 8, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

 Hello:
 
 When I installed Vuescan yesterday, it put a volume on my desktop.  I would 
 now like to remove it, but am unable to do so.  Does anyone know how I can 
 remove this?
 TIA,
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Re: a big noisy audible problem

[Kimberly thurman]

Hi Carolyn:

I just went to audible.com, and didn't get any music whatsoever.  I was using 
Webkit, if that makes any difference.  I will look for a phone number for you 
though and get back soon.  Maybe it's got something to do with extensions we do 
or do not have?  Just a wild guess.  :)

On May 26, 2011, at 6:59 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:

 Hi everyone:
 I attempted to click on Audible's website just now and got a dreadful 
 surprise.  There is a blare of noise and music, that appears to perhaps be a 
 promo.  But, at least for me, it renders the whole site unusable.  I can't 
 hear voiceover over the racket.  I'd like to contact them, but can't hear 
 well enough to pull any contact info out of the noise.
 Can anyone confirm my observations or offer any work-around.  This freaked me 
 so badly that I crashed my Mac just to stop the noise.  Any help welcome.
 
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Re: a big noisy audible problem

[Kimberly thurman]

Carolyn, I signed out of Audible, closed Webkit, opened it back up, typed in 
audible.com again, signed in and was unable to reproduce your problem

Their phone number is:  
• 1-888-283-5051, and their hours of operation are until 10 p.m. 
eastern, I think, Monday through Friday, and until 7 p.m. on Saturday.  Hope 
this helps
On May 26, 2011, at 6:59 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:

 Hi everyone:
 I attempted to click on Audible's website just now and got a dreadful 
 surprise.  There is a blare of noise and music, that appears to perhaps be a 
 promo.  But, at least for me, it renders the whole site unusable.  I can't 
 hear voiceover over the racket.  I'd like to contact them, but can't hear 
 well enough to pull any contact info out of the noise.
 Can anyone confirm my observations or offer any work-around.  This freaked me 
 so badly that I crashed my Mac just to stop the noise.  Any help welcome.
 
 Carolyn
 
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Re: Hot Macbook Pro Controlling Fan

[Kimberly thurman]

C.J., thanks for this.  I will give it a look.  :)
On May 23, 2011, at 10:50 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:

 Kimberly,
 
 Since that post, I've figured out some of the answers.  First, 
 SMCFanControler doesn't work with VoiceOver.  But, FanControler version 1.2 
 does.  I'd tried it earlier  couldn't figure where it disappeared too, after 
 the install.  I went back  did some more checking.  Well, long story short, 
 after it's installed it appears, as a button, in the system's preferences.  
 
 You simply click it  then you can set the base RPM for your fans, the low 
 range of temp @ which the fans cut in  the high range @ which they go in to 
 hyper drive.  It's working flawlessly  my machine is already cooler.  I 
 shudder to think @ what temp it has been running.
 
 Apparently, judging from all the posts that I found on the subject.  it's a 
 pretty common problem.  I'm going to do some more research  try running my 
 Mac on the AC power with out the battery installed.  If anyone else has any 
 other thoughts, then please join in.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On May 23, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
 
 My Macbook Pro only gets hot when I run Windows in VMware Fusion while I am 
 also charging it.  Once it gets so hot, speech does tend to stutter.  I have 
 8 gigs of ram and my unit is a late 2009 Macbook Pro 13 inch.  If I just run 
 OSX, my MPB stays as cool as can be.
 On May 23, 2011, at 9:47 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 My Macbook III Pro gets hot.  I'm talk'n hot!  I mean it's Saturday night 
 in Chicago in the Roaring 20's hot.
 
 When it happens, the machine in general  VO in particular just don't 
 function so well.  So, I found a program called SMCFanControler.  
 Unfortunately, when I try to run the application, VO just tells me that 
 SMCFanControler doesn't have any windows.  Anyone else dealing with a hot 
 Mac, a nonfunctioning fan controller problem?  Inquiring minds  burning 
 hot pants want to know!
 
 Thanks for any advice,
 
 CJ
 
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Re: Hot Macbook Pro Controlling Fan

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My Macbook Pro only gets hot when I run Windows in VMware Fusion while I am 
also charging it.  Once it gets so hot, speech does tend to stutter.  I have 8 
gigs of ram and my unit is a late 2009 Macbook Pro 13 inch.  If I just run OSX, 
my MPB stays as cool as can be.
On May 23, 2011, at 9:47 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:

 Hello All,
 
 My Macbook III Pro gets hot.  I'm talk'n hot!  I mean it's Saturday night in 
 Chicago in the Roaring 20's hot.
 
 When it happens, the machine in general  VO in particular just don't 
 function so well.  So, I found a program called SMCFanControler.  
 Unfortunately, when I try to run the application, VO just tells me that 
 SMCFanControler doesn't have any windows.  Anyone else dealing with a hot 
 Mac, a nonfunctioning fan controller problem?  Inquiring minds  burning hot 
 pants want to know!
 
 Thanks for any advice,
 
 CJ
 
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Re: abby fine reader express question

[Kimberly thurman]

Actually, I didn't think it took terribly long to process, but I just don't 
know if I want to drop $299 on it right now.  I just wish there was another 
solution on the Mac that didn't require using to applications to get a scanned 
document, as is the case with needing to use Vuscan and then ABBYY Fine Reader. 
 

Isn't ABBYY Fine Reader $99?  I wasn't successful getting it to work during the 
trial period, but I kind of put it asside and forgot about it.  Now, I'm loathe 
to put down $99 for it, and then find out I still can't get it to work.  

My desktop PC I was using to scan with an old Dell all-in-one and ABBYY Fine 
Reader version 5 has just died, and I don't have a scanning solution at all at 
the moment.  I do have a sighted husband, so it is not terribly urgent.  Guess 
Im just biding my time here.  Maybe Serotech will put Docuscan on sale?  :)
On May 19, 2011, at 10:58 PM, Jenny Wood wrote:

 Personally, I think Docuscan works rather well with a flatbed scanner.  My 
 only hangup with it is the cloud-only issue and the time in which it takes 
 to process a single page.  
 
 --
 
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 Phone:(972) 989-3894
 Email:kc5...@gmail.com
 Facebook/Twitter/Skype:   kc5gni
 
 
 
 
 On May 19, 2011, at 8:50 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:
 
 Ricardo:
 Thanks for the tip.  I didn't realize it would work with a scanner.
 
 
 On May 19, 2011, at 7:16 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 The cloud issue is valid but, you don't need a camera.  My photo smart all 
 in one worked just fine.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 
 
 On May 19, 2011, at 7:34 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:
 
 I haven't yet.  I'm a lousy shot with a camera, and I thought that one 
 needed to use one.:)
 
 And then there's the issue of the cloud for doing the interpreting.  I 
 think it's easy enough for my stuff to get compromised without sending 
 mail to the cloud for perusal.:)
 
 Carolyn
 
 On May 19, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Have you tried docuscan?
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 
 
 On May 19, 2011, at 12:20 AM, carolyn Haas wrote:
 
 Hi Jenny:
 I have a canon mp160, and an hp photosmart d10.  My canon scans far 
 faster than the HP, which surprised me. That was using Openbook.  
 Working with Vuescan was very slow with both scanners I used up my trial 
 of Abbyy before I could do much with it.  But, I hear it's pretty 
 persnickety about which  scanners it will work with.  I'm looking for 
 scan times under 30 seconds, and I sure didn't have that with 
 vuescan.'It's been disappointing to have to go back to that other OS for 
 serious bouts of scanning.:)
 But, so far, that's the most efficient way to get things done.
 Take care
 
 Carolyn
 
 
 On May 18, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Jenny Wood wrote:
 
 Hi Carolyn,
 
 Just out of curiosity, what type of scanner do you have?  I think you 
 may have told me before, but I think I need a refresher. :-)  I will 
 say that as a follow-up to our docuscan discussion, I really started 
 digging further into scanning possibilities for my mac.  I tried a 
 program called Exactscan Pro, which was sort of okay, but I was 
 disappointed with the quality of the recognition.  However, I also 
 downloaded a trial version of Abby Fine Reader, and I actually wound up 
 purchasing it within the first couple of days.  I am very impressed 
 with the recognition, and it works very well with my scanner and 
 scanner software.  My only complaint at all about this program, is 
 simply the fact I have to launch the scanner software separately to 
 begin the scanning process, and that Abby asks you to save the file 
 before reviewing it.  Having said that, it really comes down to an 
 extra button push or two difference from what I might get out of K1000. 
  I have used it intensely since having bought it.  I intend to continue 
 using it even once I get Fusion up and running.  I will use K1000 
 primarily for larger scanning projects, since it will allow me to scan 
 repeatedly without necessarily having to save anything.  As far as 
 going through the daily mail or random papers around the house, Abby 
 does the job perfectly.
 
 --
 
 Jenny Wood
 Phone:  (972) 989-3894
 Email:  kc5...@gmail.com
 Facebook/Twitter/Skype: kc5gni
 
 
 
 
 On May 18, 2011, at 1:52 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:
 
 Hi John:
 That's one reason I haven't made that little investment.  If I'm going 
 to buy that app, I don't want to have to jump through lots of hoops to 
 use it.  I have to say this is one area where accessibility really 
 could use a proberveal kick in the pants--Ok, upgrade.:)
 
 I absolutely hate having to tell people I need to use the PC to scan 
 most conveniently.
 
 Thank you for your input.
 Carolyn
 
 On May 18, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Jon Cohn wrote:
 
 I have done this with TIFF and PostScript files.
 
 Even though I got a copy of Abby (old 

Re: what is up with the Facebook mobile site?

[Kimberly thurman]

Facebook is starting to remind me of my mother-in-law. Every time I visited, 
she had moved the furniture around.  lol

Seriously, Facebook would be a lost cause for me right now if not for the 
windows running in the virtual machine.  It works pretty well on the iPhone 
though.  
On May 20, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Kestrell wrote:

 Facebook changes it's interface pretty regularly: in my experience, about the 
 length of time it takes a blind computer user to become familiar with the 
 previous incarnation of the interface. Actually, my sighted friends complain 
 about these constant changes, also.
 
 Kes
 
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 kimthur...@insightbb.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 9:59 PM
 Subject: Re: what is up with the Facebook mobile site?
 
 
 Ray, I think they're always messing with the mobile site.  It has gotten so 
 bad that I use internet Explorer in-windows in my virtual machine for 
 Facebook now.  I hate too, but I got sick of the Safari busy crap all the 
 time.  I love my Mac, but the web browsing gets on my last nerve now and then.
 On May 19, 2011, at 9:47 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 
 Anybody else noticing changes to the Facebook mobile site?  I mean it's flat 
 rediculous.  I can't do anything in there now.  Every thing says, photo 
 photo photo photo and so on.  can't click on like or comments and can't get 
 to my privicy settings at all.  The regular site is a nightmare. Any 
 suggestions?
 
 OH, I do have the latest version of the nightly build of Web Kit.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
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Re: abby fine reader express question

[Kimberly thurman]

Honestly Jenny, I don't really remember what my issue was with ABBYY Fine 
Reader.  I was under the impression you needed to scan with Vuscan, and then 
open the file in ABBYY Fine Reader to do the OCR on it.  Is this correct?
On May 20, 2011, at 9:07 PM, Jenny Wood wrote:

 Yes, Abby Fine Reader is $99.  Hmmm, what type of problem were you having 
 with it?  I am assuming you already have the correct driver and software 
 installed for your scanner?  And you're right, it would be ideal to have 
 access to a program that would allow you to scan, recognize and read all in 
 one.  Unfortunately, other than Docuscan, I don't know of any such program 
 just yet.  I have been rather impressed with the scan quality of Abby so far 
 though. :-) 
 
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 On May 20, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
 
 Actually, I didn't think it took terribly long to process, but I just don't 
 know if I want to drop $299 on it right now.  I just wish there was another 
 solution on the Mac that didn't require using to applications to get a 
 scanned document, as is the case with needing to use Vuscan and then ABBYY 
 Fine Reader.  
 
 Isn't ABBYY Fine Reader $99?  I wasn't successful getting it to work during 
 the trial period, but I kind of put it asside and forgot about it.  Now, I'm 
 loathe to put down $99 for it, and then find out I still can't get it to 
 work.  
 
 My desktop PC I was using to scan with an old Dell all-in-one and ABBYY Fine 
 Reader version 5 has just died, and I don't have a scanning solution at all 
 at the moment.  I do have a sighted husband, so it is not terribly urgent.  
 Guess Im just biding my time here.  Maybe Serotech will put Docuscan on 
 sale?  :)
 On May 19, 2011, at 10:58 PM, Jenny Wood wrote:
 
 Personally, I think Docuscan works rather well with a flatbed scanner.  My 
 only hangup with it is the cloud-only issue and the time in which it takes 
 to process a single page.  
 
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 Phone:  (972) 989-3894
 Email:  kc5...@gmail.com
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 On May 19, 2011, at 8:50 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:
 
 Ricardo:
 Thanks for the tip.  I didn't realize it would work with a scanner.
 
 
 On May 19, 2011, at 7:16 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 The cloud issue is valid but, you don't need a camera.  My photo smart 
 all in one worked just fine.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 
 
 On May 19, 2011, at 7:34 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:
 
 I haven't yet.  I'm a lousy shot with a camera, and I thought that one 
 needed to use one.:)
 
 And then there's the issue of the cloud for doing the interpreting.  I 
 think it's easy enough for my stuff to get compromised without sending 
 mail to the cloud for perusal.:)
 
 Carolyn
 
 On May 19, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Have you tried docuscan?
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 
 
 On May 19, 2011, at 12:20 AM, carolyn Haas wrote:
 
 Hi Jenny:
 I have a canon mp160, and an hp photosmart d10.  My canon scans far 
 faster than the HP, which surprised me. That was using Openbook.  
 Working with Vuescan was very slow with both scanners I used up my 
 trial of Abbyy before I could do much with it.  But, I hear it's 
 pretty persnickety about which  scanners it will work with.  I'm 
 looking for scan times under 30 seconds, and I sure didn't have that 
 with vuescan.'It's been disappointing to have to go back to that other 
 OS for serious bouts of scanning.:)
 But, so far, that's the most efficient way to get things done.
 Take care
 
 Carolyn
 
 
 On May 18, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Jenny Wood wrote:
 
 Hi Carolyn,
 
 Just out of curiosity, what type of scanner do you have?  I think you 
 may have told me before, but I think I need a refresher. :-)  I will 
 say that as a follow-up to our docuscan discussion, I really started 
 digging further into scanning possibilities for my mac.  I tried a 
 program called Exactscan Pro, which was sort of okay, but I was 
 disappointed with the quality of the recognition.  However, I also 
 downloaded a trial version of Abby Fine Reader, and I actually wound 
 up purchasing it within the first couple of days.  I am very 
 impressed with the recognition, and it works very well with my 
 scanner and scanner software.  My only complaint at all about this 
 program, is simply the fact I have to launch the scanner software 
 separately to begin the scanning process, and that Abby asks you to 
 save the file before reviewing it.  Having said that, it really comes 
 down to an extra button push or two difference from what I might get 
 out of K1000.  I have used it intensely since having bought it.  I 
 intend to continue using it even once I get Fusion up and running.  I 
 will use K1000 primarily

Re: abby fine reader express question

[Kimberly thurman]

My Cannon Canoscan 220 worked great too.  I haven't shelled out the $299 yet.  
I keep hoping for a less expensive solution.  My demo of ABBYY Fine Reader 
Express ran out before I could get it going, so I don't know how well it works. 
 Vuscan works well though, as the driver software with the scanner didn't seem 
to be VO compatible.  
On May 19, 2011, at 9:16 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 The cloud issue is valid but, you don't need a camera.  My photo smart all in 
 one worked just fine.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 
 
 On May 19, 2011, at 7:34 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:
 
 I haven't yet.  I'm a lousy shot with a camera, and I thought that one 
 needed to use one.:)
 
 And then there's the issue of the cloud for doing the interpreting.  I think 
 it's easy enough for my stuff to get compromised without sending mail to the 
 cloud for perusal.:)
 
 Carolyn
 
 On May 19, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Have you tried docuscan?
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 
 
 On May 19, 2011, at 12:20 AM, carolyn Haas wrote:
 
 Hi Jenny:
 I have a canon mp160, and an hp photosmart d10.  My canon scans far faster 
 than the HP, which surprised me. That was using Openbook.  Working with 
 Vuescan was very slow with both scanners I used up my trial of Abbyy 
 before I could do much with it.  But, I hear it's pretty persnickety about 
 which  scanners it will work with.  I'm looking for scan times under 30 
 seconds, and I sure didn't have that with vuescan.'It's been disappointing 
 to have to go back to that other OS for serious bouts of scanning.:)
 But, so far, that's the most efficient way to get things done.
 Take care
 
 Carolyn
 
 
 On May 18, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Jenny Wood wrote:
 
 Hi Carolyn,
 
 Just out of curiosity, what type of scanner do you have?  I think you may 
 have told me before, but I think I need a refresher. :-)  I will say that 
 as a follow-up to our docuscan discussion, I really started digging 
 further into scanning possibilities for my mac.  I tried a program called 
 Exactscan Pro, which was sort of okay, but I was disappointed with the 
 quality of the recognition.  However, I also downloaded a trial version 
 of Abby Fine Reader, and I actually wound up purchasing it within the 
 first couple of days.  I am very impressed with the recognition, and it 
 works very well with my scanner and scanner software.  My only complaint 
 at all about this program, is simply the fact I have to launch the 
 scanner software separately to begin the scanning process, and that Abby 
 asks you to save the file before reviewing it.  Having said that, it 
 really comes down to an extra button push or two difference from what I 
 might get out of K1000.  I have used it intensely since having bought it. 
  I intend to continue using it even once I get Fusion up and running.  I 
 will use K1000 primarily for larger scanning projects, since it will 
 allow me to scan repeatedly without necessarily having to save anything.  
 As far as going through the daily mail or random papers around the house, 
 Abby does the job perfectly.
 
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 Email:kc5...@gmail.com
 Facebook/Twitter/Skype:   kc5gni
 
 
 
 
 On May 18, 2011, at 1:52 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:
 
 Hi John:
 That's one reason I haven't made that little investment.  If I'm going 
 to buy that app, I don't want to have to jump through lots of hoops to 
 use it.  I have to say this is one area where accessibility really could 
 use a proberveal kick in the pants--Ok, upgrade.:)
 
 I absolutely hate having to tell people I need to use the PC to scan 
 most conveniently.
 
 Thank you for your input.
 Carolyn
 
 On May 18, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Jon Cohn wrote:
 
 I have done this with TIFF and PostScript files.
 
 Even though I got a copy of Abby (old version) with my scanner, the new 
 Abby does not recognise my Epson Perfection scanner.  
 
 
 On May 18, 2011, at 1:21 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:
 
 Hi:
 I'm debating about purchasing Abbyy for my Mac to access it's ocr 
 capabilities.  I am wondering from someone who uses it whether I can 
 upload an image to it from, for example, an email attachment and have 
 it convert to text.  TIA for any input.
 
 Carolyn
 
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Re: what is up with the Facebook mobile site?

[Kimberly thurman]

Ray, I think they're always messing with the mobile site.  It has gotten so bad 
that I use internet Explorer in-windows in my virtual machine for Facebook now. 
 I hate too, but I got sick of the Safari busy crap all the time.  I love my 
Mac, but the web browsing gets on my last nerve now and then.  
On May 19, 2011, at 9:47 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

 Anybody else noticing changes to the Facebook mobile site?  I mean it's flat 
 rediculous.  I can't do anything in there now.  Every thing says, photo 
 photo photo photo and so on.  can't click on like or comments and can't get 
 to my privicy settings at all.  The regular site is a nightmare.  Any 
 suggestions?
 
 OH, I do have the latest version of the nightly build of Web Kit.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
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Re: Digital Distribution, was Re: macbook pro or macbook air?

[Kimberly thurman]

Our car stereo has a USB port.  I transfer music to a thumb drive, plug it into 
the stereo, and I have 16 gigs of music blasting away.  I'm just waiting for 
the 32 gig USB drives to come down in price a little bit more and I'll have 
twice the amount of music on a tiny little device I can hold in the palm of my 
hand.  

CD's scratch and thumb drives don't.  Keep some CD's and DVD's around for your 
grandchildren, because they won't be using them, and you can show them a little 
piece of forgotten history.
On May 17, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

 Those are products you currently own, have you seen the amount of stereo 
 systems for home  audio, home theatre and car that enable you to drop your 
 ioS device into them?  The likes of Sony and Microsoft are looking at the 
 possibilities of ditching there internal drives and provide content down the 
 wire in their next consoles, this will hopefully cut down on piracy too.  CD 
 car multi changers take up too much space in your car, you can get so much 
 more on a MP3 player and you can even get MP3/IPOD ready alarm clocks too.
 
 you need to move away from the 1990s and join the 21st century.
 On 17 May 2011, at 14:00, brandt wrote:
 
 Ok, let's agree to disagree on this point. I won't even bring up the non 
 computer devices sutch as my CD player on my bedside cabinet, the stereo in 
 the lounge, the PS 3 in my little brothers room, the 2 DVD players in the 
 house, the 2 6 disk CD changers in the 2 cars owned by the family, the 7 
 front loader CD players found in the cars used by the company I work for, 
 and so on and so on. I can keep going for days.
 
 Warm regards,
 
 Brandt Steenkamp
 
 If you like country, oldies and the ocasional modern track, you can tune in 
 to my show, an Eclectic mess every Wednesday afternoon at 3 PM UTC by 
 going to www.TheGlobalVoice.info
 
 Contact me:
 
 Skype: brandt.steenkamp007
 MSN: brandt...@live.com
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 Twitter @brandtsteenkamp
 - Original Message - From: Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 2:53 PM
 Subject: Re: Digital Distribution, was Re: macbook pro or macbook air?
 
 
 Savings are also made by no longer having to provide a laptop or desktop 
 with a internal DVD drive, this results in the device being able to be made 
 smaller and lighter, saving on materials and manufacturing.  Accept it, the 
 spinning disc is dead.
 On 17 May 2011, at 13:27, brandt wrote:
 
 Well, you're still thinking small business. Shipping 5 CDs verses 
 20 USB thumb drives doesn't save on anything. Do the research and find 
 out what it costs to produce 100 thumb drives, pack them in the stupid 
 packaging usually used for thumb drives and shipping them, verses the same 
 for disks, and I'm sorry but your argument is week.  Try again.
 
 Warm regards,
 
 Brandt Steenkamp
 
 If you like country, oldies and the ocasional modern track, you can tune in 
 to my show, an Eclectic mess every Wednesday afternoon at 3 PM UTC by 
 going to www.TheGlobalVoice.info
 
 Contact me:
 
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 Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:54 PM
 Subject: Re: Digital Distribution, was Re: macbook pro or macbook air?
 
 
 As the thumb drive is much smaller than the retail boxers previously used 
 for Mac OS X, money will be saved on packaging as the thumb drive is much 
 smaller, this will also result in more copies being able to be transported 
 at a time, saving on delivery costs too.  So maybe it would be not as 
 expensive as you think.
 
 
 On 17 May 2011, at 12:48, brandt wrote:
 
 True, but look at it from the big corporation's point of view, what's 
 cheeper, 100 copys of whatever OS on CD, or 100 copys of the same 
 OS on thumb drives, or SD cards, or what have you.
 
 Warm regards,
 
 Brandt Steenkamp
 
 If you like country, oldies and the ocasional modern track, you can tune 
 in to my show, an Eclectic mess every Wednesday afternoon at 3 PM UTC by 
 going to www.TheGlobalVoice.info
 
 Contact me:
 
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 MSN: brandt...@live.com
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 Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:22 AM
 Subject: Re: Digital Distribution, was Re: macbook pro or macbook air?
 
 
 Hello Brandt,
 I have two computers on my desk and one has no floppy drive. there's a n 
 occassional need to transfer a single file between the two units. I use a 
 thumbdrive for this.
 I use the same thumbdrive to transfer files between my pc and macbook. So 
 I am already using jthis format..  I don't spend a lot of time debating 
 which format to use. I 

Re: Digital Distribution, was Re: macbook pro or macbook air?

[Kimberly thurman]

User names and passwords are just like locks on doors.  They are really there 
to keep honest men honest.  A thief will always find a way no matter the 
security measures used.  I agree with Ricardo on this one.  CD's and DVD's are 
going the way of the vinyl records and eight track tapes.
On May 16, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

 I have to agree with Ricardo. There are risks no matter what form of commerce 
 you engage in, but digital commerce is generally more secure and efficient. 
 APple would not have gone in this direction if it was not a benefit to them 
 and their customers.
 Sony screwed themselves and in all fairness and as I have always said, any 
 computer connected to a network is subject to being hacked. The issue is 
 really being on top of your systems and always watching for these issues. 
 THis does apply to companies as well as individuals.
 
 On May 16, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 So what?
 
 For most, the convenience will out weigh the risk.  There will always be 
 security risks.  This doesn't stop most of us from using credit cards?  And 
 digital music downloads has already passed CD sales.  So, the writing is 
 already on the wall.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 
 
 On May 16, 2011, at 7:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
 
 Hey. Ricardo said he following statement.
 Yeah but optical drives are going the way of the dinosaur. We have iTunes, 
 amazon, netflix, and other sources to obtain media content. You want an 
 app, just download it from the web or the Mac app store. Don't be surprised 
 in 2 years, if all macbooks follow the air and get rid of their optical 
 drives.
 I don't think digital distribution will take over CD's or DVD's just yet. I 
 know most of you don't play video games, but if you heard it on the radio, 
 you'd know that Sony's Playstation Network has been down for the past 
 month. As it was down, people were concerned about identity thef, because 
 the reason why it was down is because someone hacked into the network. So 
 if you ask me, it'll take more than 2 years for digital distribution to 
 take effect. I wouldn't be surprised if someone hacks into Itunes or the 
 App Store.
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Re: Digital Distribution, was Re: macbook pro or macbook air?

[Kimberly thurman]

USB drives can be used to reinstall operating systems just as CD's and DVD's 
are.
On May 16, 2011, at 12:36 PM, brandt wrote:

 If as you say, optical drives go the way of the Dodo, what will you do if 
 whatever opperating system die? If whare as of now, you can install off of a 
 DVD, what will you do when you don't have that anymore? If your only computer 
 whent crash, you're truely screwed!
 
 Warm regards,
 
 Brandt Steenkamp
 
 If you like country, oldies and the ocasional modern track, you can tune in 
 to my show, an Eclectic mess every Wednesday afternoon at 3 PM UTC by going 
 to www.TheGlobalVoice.info
 
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 - Original Message - From: Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com
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 Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 5:36 PM
 Subject: Re: Digital Distribution, was Re: macbook pro or macbook air?
 
 
 I have to agree with Ricardo. There are risks no matter what form of commerce 
 you engage in, but digital commerce is generally more secure and efficient. 
 APple would not have gone in this direction if it was not a benefit to them 
 and their customers.
 Sony screwed themselves and in all fairness and as I have always said, any 
 computer connected to a network is subject to being hacked. The issue is 
 really being on top of your systems and always watching for these issues. 
 THis does apply to companies as well as individuals.
 
 On May 16, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 So what?
 
 For most, the convenience will out weigh the risk.  There will always be 
 security risks.  This doesn't stop most of us from using credit cards? And 
 digital music downloads has already passed CD sales.  So, the writing is 
 already on the wall.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 
 
 On May 16, 2011, at 7:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
 
 Hey. Ricardo said he following statement.
 Yeah but optical drives are going the way of the dinosaur. We have iTunes, 
 amazon, netflix, and other sources to obtain media content. You want an 
 app, just download it from the web or the Mac app store. Don't be surprised 
 in 2 years, if all macbooks follow the air and get rid of their optical 
 drives.
 I don't think digital distribution will take over CD's or DVD's just yet. I 
 know most of you don't play video games, but if you heard it on the radio, 
 you'd know that Sony's Playstation Network has been down for the past 
 month. As it was down, people were concerned about identity thef, because 
 the reason why it was down is because someone hacked into the network. So 
 if you ask me, it'll take more than 2 years for digital distribution to 
 take effect. I wouldn't be surprised if someone hacks into Itunes or the 
 App Store.
 Shawn
 
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Re: macbook pro or macbook air?

[Kimberly]

On 5/13/11, KliphSharrie skhleirpehctcoens7...@gmail.com wrote:
 Everything boots up fast when it's new and doesn't have much stored on it.

Of course this is true. But the solid state is lightning fast when
compared to a mechanical drive.

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Re: Kindle For Ios4 Accessible? {{]sans}}

[Kimberly thurman]

Sorry, for now, that's the way it is.  The only accessible Kindle app is the 
one for the Windows PC.  hth :)

Kim
On May 13, 2011, at 4:33 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I can read the controls, but not book text. Is this the way it is, or am I 
 missing something? By the way, I set up my Amazon account without a hitch.
 
 TIA,
 Teresa
 
 
 Winging its way from my iPod
 
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Re: Next Chrome with screen reader support

[Kimberly thurman]

I have tried it on a couple of pages with some success, but on the mobile 
Facebook site, while posting on someone's wall, the text I was writing was not 
read, but when I pressed the Post button, the post was added to the person's 
wall with what I had written.  Makes it tough to proofread.  :)
On May 13, 2011, at 10:27 PM, David McLean wrote:

 It works well on some pages but I've found that tables won't read at all.  
 Every page I've tried that has tables shows as 0 rows 0 columns.
 So they have a bit of work to do still.
 On May 12, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Pierre Heim wrote:
 
 http://chrome.blogspot.com/2011/05/fancier-graphics-safer-downloads-and.html
 
 Haven't try it yet...
 
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Re: DocuScan Plus

[Kimberly thurman]

Hello:

I would guess that you have already chosen the app from the app store.  Check 
in your applications folder by going to the finder and using the key 
combination of command/shift/A and then look for Docuscan Plus.  hth
On May 7, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Melanie Clouser wrote:

 Hello:
 
 I can't seem to download DocuScan Plus to my Mac. The free link using the APP 
 Store is dimmed out. I did register and verify my email via DocuScanPlus.com. 
 Do I need to through the process of purchasing the product merely to get the 
 7 days free? Or, could I possibly have something setup wrong in my App Store? 
 Should I be seeing Mac App Store instead of just App Store? When I login into 
 Itunes it says IPhone is selected but I don't even have an IPhone ... not yet 
 anyway. Can anyone help out?
 
 
 Melanie
 
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Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store.

[Kimberly thurman]

David, were your Cannon scanner drivers inaccessible with VO?  I couldn't make 
heads or tails out of them with VO myself, but they have to be running to use 
the scanner.  I have scanned stuff with Vuscan, which I already bought.  I use 
Vuscan for things that do not need OCR.  I'm considering Docuscan Plus.  I 
can't get Fine Reader Express to work for some reason.  I get some dialog 
stating that the Safari version is not compatible or something like that.  Ugh!
On Apr 30, 2011, at 2:39 AM, David Tanner wrote:

 The Canon Lide 210 can be used with the Mac.  You should be able to install 
 them from the CD that came with your scanner.  If not you can also get them 
 from the Canon website.  I have the Canon Lide 200 and just installed it this 
 evening on my MacBook Pro with drivers I downloaded from the Canon website 
 since the ones on my installation cd were to old to be used with Snow Leopard.
 
 The Canon Lide runs really nice with DocuScan Plus.
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Kimberly thurman 
 kimthur...@insightbb.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 6:45 PM
 Subject: Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on 
 the mac app store.
 
 
 I, like others, have tried Docuscan Plus today.  So far, I am impressed, but 
 I don't know if it's to the tune of $299.  I agree the necessity of being 
 connected to the internet in order to use the program is definitely a 
 legitimate caveat.  I don't really know that I want my account numbers and 
 other sensitive information I will likely need to scan residing out there on 
 the cloud.  What's wrong with being able to scan these documents locally?
 
 I suffered the death of an old windows XP desktop computer this past week 
 that I was running Kurzweil 1000 on.  It is an older version that doesn't run 
 on any of my current Windows 7 machines or my Macbook Pro, which is my 
 favorite computer.  I just bought a Cannon Lied 210 and bought Vuscan just to 
 be able to scan photographs and the like, as the drivers that are included 
 with the Cannon scanner are not accessible with VO.
 
 I guess the bottom line for me is do I buy something like ABBYY Fine Reader 
 or do I go with DocuScan Plus?
 
 I'm going to keep trying Docuscan out this week, and make my decision later.
 On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote:
 
 Hi.
 I'd consider paying for DocuScan if it was $100 cheeper. This would account 
 for the licensing of the OCR, and the blindness related features. As a 
 college student with no funding, $100 goes a long way.
 
 On 2011-04-29, at 1:24 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
 WHat do you feel is a fair price? This is a serious question. I have read a 
 number of messages where people have said the cost is to high. SO, what is 
 a fair price? What about the cost of a product like ABBYY Fine Reader at 
 $100. Is that a fair price? How do you equate a fair price based on 
 features?
 
 On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Tony Hernandez wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 I think looking at this price in a positive light just because it's lower 
 is
 what keeps the prices high. It's accepted.
 
 Tony Hernandez
 http://dutyofman.net/
 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
 commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
 work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether
 it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
 Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:48 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now 
 on
 the mac app store.
 
 Be nice if they would toss in the camera for a few dollars more. :) I 
 gather
 with the camera it would be almost $500. I would like to see a demo on the
 Mac actually. THis is certainly a better deal than most other products on
 the market that are geared toward the blind and visually impaired user. Now
 I may also be wrong, but didn't the $299 also give you access to the
 web-based product and something on the iOS platform assuming that becomes
 available?
 
 On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:00 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote:
 
 Hi Kevin
 I made a quick test this morning with my canon lide 100 and it worked.
 Now it is intresting to see if it can make something readable out of
 swedish text. If so I deffently gonna buy this. More simple  solution
 than use vuescan, to abbyy, and to textedit wich works well but very
 much work to get a document scanned.
 Regards Tony
 
 
 2011/4/29, Kevin Reeves li...@kevinreeves.net:
 Hey folks. SO glad to see this is finally available on the mac. One
 question
 comes to mind as I am not as familiar with this product. Does this only
 work
 with cameras like the hover cam, or can I use it with a cheap Canoscan
 25?
 Thanks so much.
 
 Kevin
 On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
 
 Still

Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store.

[Kimberly thurman]

I, like others, have tried Docuscan Plus today.  So far, I am impressed, but I 
don't know if it's to the tune of $299.  I agree the necessity of being 
connected to the internet in order to use the program is definitely a 
legitimate caveat.  I don't really know that I want my account numbers and 
other sensitive information I will likely need to scan residing out there on 
the cloud.  What's wrong with being able to scan these documents locally?  

I suffered the death of an old windows XP desktop computer this past week that 
I was running Kurzweil 1000 on.  It is an older version that doesn't run on any 
of my current Windows 7 machines or my Macbook Pro, which is my favorite 
computer.  I just bought a Cannon Lied 210 and bought Vuscan just to be able to 
scan photographs and the like, as the drivers that are included with the Cannon 
scanner are not accessible with VO.  

I guess the bottom line for me is do I buy something like ABBYY Fine Reader or 
do I go with DocuScan Plus?  

I'm going to keep trying Docuscan out this week, and make my decision later.  
On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote:

 Hi.
 I'd consider paying for DocuScan if it was $100 cheeper. This would account 
 for the licensing of the OCR, and the blindness related features. As a 
 college student with no funding, $100 goes a long way.
 
 On 2011-04-29, at 1:24 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
 WHat do you feel is a fair price? This is a serious question. I have read a 
 number of messages where people have said the cost is to high. SO, what is a 
 fair price? What about the cost of a product like ABBYY Fine Reader at $100. 
 Is that a fair price? How do you equate a fair price based on features?
 
 On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Tony Hernandez wrote:
 
 Hi. 
 
 I think looking at this price in a positive light just because it's lower is
 what keeps the prices high. It's accepted.
 
 Tony Hernandez
 http://dutyofman.net/
 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
 commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
 work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether
 it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
 Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:48 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on
 the mac app store.
 
 Be nice if they would toss in the camera for a few dollars more. :) I gather
 with the camera it would be almost $500. I would like to see a demo on the
 Mac actually. THis is certainly a better deal than most other products on
 the market that are geared toward the blind and visually impaired user. Now
 I may also be wrong, but didn't the $299 also give you access to the
 web-based product and something on the iOS platform assuming that becomes
 available?
 
 On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:00 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote:
 
 Hi Kevin
 I made a quick test this morning with my canon lide 100 and it worked.
 Now it is intresting to see if it can make something readable out of
 swedish text. If so I deffently gonna buy this. More simple  solution
 than use vuescan, to abbyy, and to textedit wich works well but very
 much work to get a document scanned.
 Regards Tony
 
 
 2011/4/29, Kevin Reeves li...@kevinreeves.net:
 Hey folks. SO glad to see this is finally available on the mac. One
 question
 comes to mind as I am not as familiar with this product. Does this only
 work
 with cameras like the hover cam, or can I use it with a cheap Canoscan
 25?
 Thanks so much.
 
 Kevin
 On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
 
 Still cheaper than the other blindness oriented OCR solutions, such as
 K1000, Open Book, Eye-Pal, etc.
 Andy
 
 P. S. I wonder if they are considering doing something for the iPhone.
 
 
 
 I'm pretty good at drinkin beer.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Campbell
 Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:06 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on
 the
 mac app store.
 
 Hello Listers.
 DocuScan is now mac compatible and can be found on the mac app store.
 Don't get too excited though, unless you have $299.00 to burn on it.
 Hope this actually benefits someone.
 the Infuriated Matt Campbell.
 
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Re: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store.

[Kimberly thurman]

I really want to be able to scan and do OCR on my Mac though.  Maybe Fine 
Reader Express is the answer?  I don't know.  :)
On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

 Hi Kimberly. I know this is probably not a popular recommendation for this 
 list, but given that the cost of an upgrade to K1000 to the most current 
 version is, I believe $125, and given that you have a scanner and a machine 
 to run the program on, that would be the cheapest and best solution from the 
 point of view of the utility of the product. Just a thought. 
 You are already familiar with the program. The ocr is improved over the 
 version you have, and you don't have to mess with the cloud or mulliple 
 programs and the hassle that entails. My problem is a little different, in 
 that I don't own a Windows 7 machine and am not interested in messing with 
 Windows 7 and continuing to pay for screen reader upgrades. So I'm hoping 
 that something like docuscan will improve over time to allow local scanning 
 and ocr at least, and possibly to allow for user control of settings as in 
 K1000 or other full featured scanning programs for the general population on 
 the Windows platform. 
 Mary Otten
 motte...@gmail.com
 
 
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Re: First-time download of bookshare book on Mac: how to unzip

[Kimberly thurman]

Hi:

You need a program called the Unarchiver.  I'm sure if you do a Google search, 
you'll come up with it.  It's free and works great!  :)

Once you have this program, you can VO/shift/M on the zipped folder, arrow to 
open with, enter and the Unarchiver will be one of your choices.  Enter on 
that, and you folder will be unzipped as soon as you enter your password when 
prompted.  hth
On Apr 25, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:

 Hello, all. Just downloaded a book from bookshare; selected it, and tried 
 enter. Also tried VO plus space. Received a decompression failed message. 
 Help!
 Christine
 
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Re: Activating a bookmark in safari

[Kimberly thurman]

Well, you learn something new everyday.  Thanks Ray!  :)
On Apr 23, 2011, at 1:35 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

 Nothing to fix.  to activate the book mark you select, just use command+down 
 arrow.
 
 YOu guys are making much too much work for yourselves.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 Facebook:
 facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
 
 On Apr 22, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote:
 
 Hi Kimberly. Thank you for this. perhaps they will fix it in future 
 releases. 
 
 Tony
 
 On Apr 22, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
 
 I have no idea why, but you have to VO/shift/M and choose open to activate 
 a bookmark.  
 On Apr 22, 2011, at 9:40 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote:
 
 HI everyone. 
 
 I can't seem to get the bookmark to work. I added it, but when I click 
 show all bookmarks in the bookmark menu and navigate to the table 
 containing the bookmarks, then navigate to the bookmark itself, nothing I 
 do activates it. VO-Space, up and down arrow together in quicknav mode, 
 enter, or command O won't do anything at all. Would someone tell me the 
 procedure for moving to and activating a bookmark? I'd be very grateful.
 
 Thank you in advance.
 
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