Interesting Ray

[Martin Brown]

Not the fact that you prefer the old smelly hoofs unsheathed Ray, but that
you prefer Amadeus Pro over Sound Forge Pro. I have a friend who has just
recently bought both for his Mac, but have not been in touch to hear his
thoughts. He has been a long-time user of Sound Forge on the PC and has
always claimed that nothing else could touch it for ease of use and a real
professional feel to the finished product on which he has been working. 

I know that Jonathan Mosen is also a big fan of Amadeus Pro on the Mac, and
you only have to listen to the quality of his recordings to know that he
uses only the best. Out of interest Ray, have you a particular field of
interest when it comes to recording or is it just anything and everything?

Finally, do keep that old Mac rocking and rolling until it just won't rock
anymore. Good machine in its youth me thinks, and probably still is.
Take Care.
 Martin  

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RE: It's not good to believe everything you hear

[Martin Brown]

Sorry to hear that Ray. Bit of a bugger as we would say in this part of the 
world. As was said by Tim, I think, in an earlier post, you have a good robust 
device there that should run for years. I shall certainly continue to use this 
little Mini for at least the next two or three years if it continues to play 
ball.

At that time, perhaps, I shall invest in the cheapest off-the shelf portable 
Mac that will fulfil my needs. Being able to read emails and access the web 
covers most, if not all, my needs most of the time.

By the way Ray, are you really barefooted. Could hunt you up an old pair of 
shoes at this end if it would help.
All the best.
Martin   
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 8:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's not good to believe everything you hear

Wow, Martin, I saved your message to my Mac.  There’s a good long article in 
that contribution I know there is.  You really could do it if you wanted to.

I too cannot upgrade to Sierra because this here mid 2009 Mac book pro just 
will not take it.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon 
Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Sep 29, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Martin Brown <mbrown.bro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I quite honestly think that some people don't read their emails before 
> responding. Nowhere in my email did I say that Apple was forcing me to 
> upgrade to Sierra. The point is that I can't do so even if I 
> desperately wanted to without buying a new machine. Indeed, I don't 
> agree with something being forced upon anyone. I feel the reference 
> here is towards Microsoft and Windows 10. Believe me I am no fan of such an 
> approach.
> 
> However, here is an interesting point. I am running a 5-year-old 
> desktop custom built machine. It has 8GB of RAM and a 1TB hard drive. 
> Despite the speck remaining the same in every sense, including the 
> CPU, Windows 10 is much faster than Windows 7 ever was on this machine.
> 
> So, please feel free to lambast Microsoft. Times they deserve it, 
> times they don't. I do not feel protective towards any provider of 
> either goods or services. It is simply a financial transaction between them 
> and myself.
> Long gone is the day when providers cared anything about their 
> customers, and as far as I am concerned, the feeling is mutual.
> 
> Despite that however, I strongly feel that people should pay for the 
> goods and services they receive. This is equally true when the goods 
> are licenced software. There are those who feel it is fine to share 
> such products with friends and family members in breach of very clear 
> guidelines to the contrary, but the less said about that the better. 
> Thank goodness none of my friends subscribe to this list.
> 
> Another responder points out that my Mini is, and will probably 
> continue to function using El Capitan for a long time. I have no doubt 
> of that and I have said as much myself. Macs are built too last. It 
> defeats the purpose however if the hardware cannot be upgraded to 
> match the needs of the software, at least to some degree, without buying a 
> new machine.
> 
>  Here is something in my appalling ignorance that escapes me. I have a 
> friend who bought a Mini at the same time as myself. An off the shelf 
> Mac Mini in late 2009 had a speck of 1GB of RAM and a 128GB hard 
> drive. He decided to double the Ram to 2GB and stay with the same size 
> hard drive. I, on the other hand, decided on 4GB of RAM and a 500GB 
> hard drive. As you can imagine the price difference was significant. 
> Now, here is the point. He is also running El Capitan with absolutely 
> no performance difference to my own machine. Like myself, he cannot 
> upgrade to Sierra, but as we have both light-heartedly laughed, he has 
> only been half as well screwed as I myself have.
> 
> So, do chill out friends. The sun still shines and the world continues 
> to revolve. An almost pathological adherence to any one supplier over 
> another cannot be a good thing. Apple produce a great product with 
> great built-in accessibility. The weakness in their model from a 
> consumer's perspective is that they provide both the hardware and the 
> software. Although this has many benefits, it is not an ideal 
> situation in one crucial area. Namely, it is not financially to their 
> advantage to support hardware beyond a short time frame. Microsoft 
> will be just as bad in this respect now that they have also got into 
> the hardware game. Because of that, under no circumstances, will I 
> purchase any of their

RE: It's not good to believe everything you hear

[Martin Brown]

With all due respect David, you are a good example of those who do not read 
what is written. My 2009 machine is the Mac Mini in question. So, that equals 7 
years old.

My five-year-old machine is a custom built Windows device. So, it was acquired 
in 2012.

I do use both operating systems. Therefore, despite the advice from another 
contributor I have every right to be part of this community. My posts are not 
intended to be taken as a personal attack on any member of the list. There are 
those, however, who seem to take any negativity directed towards Apple and its 
products as an attack on them personally. Ah well, still good to be alive 
despite all that.
Have a good day from a very sunny UK.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 9:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's not good to believe everything you hear

2009 machine in 2016 is a 7 year old machine, not a 5 year old machine.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 30/09/2016, at 02:39, Martin Brown <mbrown.bro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I quite honestly think that some people don't read their emails before 
> responding. Nowhere in my email did I say that Apple was forcing me to 
> upgrade to Sierra. The point is that I can't do so even if I 
> desperately wanted to without buying a new machine. Indeed, I don't 
> agree with something being forced upon anyone. I feel the reference 
> here is towards Microsoft and Windows 10. Believe me I am no fan of such an 
> approach.
> 
> However, here is an interesting point. I am running a 5-year-old 
> desktop custom built machine. It has 8GB of RAM and a 1TB hard drive. 
> Despite the speck remaining the same in every sense, including the 
> CPU, Windows 10 is much faster than Windows 7 ever was on this machine.
> 
> So, please feel free to lambast Microsoft. Times they deserve it, 
> times they don't. I do not feel protective towards any provider of 
> either goods or services. It is simply a financial transaction between them 
> and myself.
> Long gone is the day when providers cared anything about their 
> customers, and as far as I am concerned, the feeling is mutual.
> 
> Despite that however, I strongly feel that people should pay for the 
> goods and services they receive. This is equally true when the goods 
> are licenced software. There are those who feel it is fine to share 
> such products with friends and family members in breach of very clear 
> guidelines to the contrary, but the less said about that the better. 
> Thank goodness none of my friends subscribe to this list.
> 
> Another responder points out that my Mini is, and will probably 
> continue to function using El Capitan for a long time. I have no doubt 
> of that and I have said as much myself. Macs are built too last. It 
> defeats the purpose however if the hardware cannot be upgraded to 
> match the needs of the software, at least to some degree, without buying a 
> new machine.
> 
>  Here is something in my appalling ignorance that escapes me. I have a 
> friend who bought a Mini at the same time as myself. An off the shelf 
> Mac Mini in late 2009 had a speck of 1GB of RAM and a 128GB hard 
> drive. He decided to double the Ram to 2GB and stay with the same size 
> hard drive. I, on the other hand, decided on 4GB of RAM and a 500GB 
> hard drive. As you can imagine the price difference was significant. 
> Now, here is the point. He is also running El Capitan with absolutely 
> no performance difference to my own machine. Like myself, he cannot 
> upgrade to Sierra, but as we have both light-heartedly laughed, he has 
> only been half as well screwed as I myself have.
> 
> So, do chill out friends. The sun still shines and the world continues 
> to revolve. An almost pathological adherence to any one supplier over 
> another cannot be a good thing. Apple produce a great product with 
> great built-in accessibility. The weakness in their model from a 
> consumer's perspective is that they provide both the hardware and the 
> software. Although this has many benefits, it is not an ideal 
> situation in one crucial area. Namely, it is not financially to their 
> advantage to support hardware beyond a short time frame. Microsoft 
> will be just as bad in this respect now that they have also got into 
> the hardware game. Because of that, under no circumstances, will I 
> purchase any of their hardware. They will use the same old flannel to 
> encourage their customers to buy the latest offering so that their 
> well-heeled shareholders can buy a bigger and better yacht than their 
> equally well-heeled neighbou

It's not good to believe everything you hear

[Martin Brown]

I quite honestly think that some people don't read their emails before
responding. Nowhere in my email did I say that Apple was forcing me to
upgrade to Sierra. The point is that I can't do so even if I desperately
wanted to without buying a new machine. Indeed, I don't agree with something
being forced upon anyone. I feel the reference here is towards Microsoft and
Windows 10. Believe me I am no fan of such an approach.

However, here is an interesting point. I am running a 5-year-old desktop
custom built machine. It has 8GB of RAM and a 1TB hard drive. Despite the
speck remaining the same in every sense, including the CPU, Windows 10 is
much faster than Windows 7 ever was on this machine.  

So, please feel free to lambast Microsoft. Times they deserve it, times they
don't. I do not feel protective towards any provider of either goods or
services. It is simply a financial transaction between them and myself.
Long gone is the day when providers cared anything about their customers,
and as far as I am concerned, the feeling is mutual.

Despite that however, I strongly feel that people should pay for the goods
and services they receive. This is equally true when the goods are licenced
software. There are those who feel it is fine to share such products with
friends and family members in breach of very clear guidelines to the
contrary, but the less said about that the better. Thank goodness none of my
friends subscribe to this list.

Another responder points out that my Mini is, and will probably continue to
function using El Capitan for a long time. I have no doubt of that and I
have said as much myself. Macs are built too last. It defeats the purpose
however if the hardware cannot be upgraded to match the needs of the
software, at least to some degree, without buying a new machine.

  Here is something in my appalling ignorance that escapes me. I have a
friend who bought a Mini at the same time as myself. An off the shelf Mac
Mini in late 2009 had a speck of 1GB of RAM and a 128GB hard drive. He
decided to double the Ram to 2GB and stay with the same size hard drive. I,
on the other hand, decided on 4GB of RAM and a 500GB hard drive. As you can
imagine the price difference was significant. Now, here is the point. He is
also running El Capitan with absolutely no performance difference to my own
machine. Like myself, he cannot upgrade to Sierra, but as we have both
light-heartedly laughed, he has only been half as well screwed as I myself
have.

So, do chill out friends. The sun still shines and the world continues to
revolve. An almost pathological adherence to any one supplier over another
cannot be a good thing. Apple produce a great product with great built-in
accessibility. The weakness in their model from a consumer's perspective is
that they provide both the hardware and the software. Although this has many
benefits, it is not an ideal situation in one crucial area. Namely, it is
not financially to their advantage to support hardware beyond a short time
frame. Microsoft will be just as bad in this respect now that they have also
got into the hardware game. Because of that, under no circumstances, will I
purchase any of their hardware. They will use the same old flannel to
encourage their customers to buy the latest offering so that their
well-heeled shareholders can buy a bigger and better yacht than their
equally well-heeled neighbours. I have a rule that I always follow when
assimilating any information coming from a source that has a financial
interest in that information. Don't believe everything they tell you.
Indeed, only believe a small fraction of what they tell you, and you can't
go wrong.
Kind Regards:
Martin   

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Hello Anne

[Martin Brown]

 Yes Anne, I can live quite well with El Capitan. I think the only thing in
Sierra that would have been useful was the removal of the focus bug along
with a few others. Not a show stopper however.

The thing that annoys me is, that Apple have decided to not even give me the
opportunity to try the new operating system for myself. Yes, it might well
have been slower than on the latest and greatest. And, yes I might have had
to go back to El Capitan because of that. Nevertheless, I do not like the
decision taken out of my own hands by others.

As I have said, El Capitan is fine. I am now old enough to have convinced my
ego that contentment is not to be found in the latest offering from the boys
in Silicone Valley. It was my intention to purchase something more portable,
such as the Mac Book Air, in the early part of 2017. However, I shall
instead go down the Ultra Book road running Windows 10. I can buy the said
machine with a good speck of 16GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD drive for a lot
less than anything on offer from Apple. OK, the components may not be the
best that money can buy, but do they have to be in the throw-away world of
today. 

The advice I would offer to anyone buying a Mac is quite simply this,
purchase the lowest, and thus the cheapest, speck that you can get away with
for your needs. Don't even consider extra RAM or more hard disc space in the
hope of prolonging the lifetime of your investment. I understand, but do not
agree with, the market forces that guide a lot of decisions being made by
manufacturers which are not in the best interest of consumers. Having  been
given the operating system free of charge might not be such a good idea
after all. But, then I never thought it was because in such offerings there
is always a hidden cost. 
Take care Anne.
>From grumpy Marty

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Apple kills my little mini with Sierra

[Martin Brown]

I have tried to download Sierra using my 2009 Mac Mini, but was informed
that my device was not compatible. I am somewhat surprised at this because
my Mini has 4GB of ram and a 500GB hard drive.

I say somewhat surprised, but not totally. Perhaps Apple has applied the 7
year rule. Put simply the powers that be feel it is time for me to join
Apple's gravy train and spend some cash in their direction. Not a chance Mr
Cook. I shall run this little baby up to, and beyond, the point where my
smoke alarms start going off.

I often hear the argument that Apple only use the very best components in
their devices. Very good, but what is the point if the device has to go on
the scrap heap half a century before the components might even consider
giving up the ghost. Not a lot in my humble opinion. So much for
conservation and getting the best out of limited resources.
All the best from the last of the Neanderthals somewhere in the UK.



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RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Martin Brown]

Well said Jonathan. You are quite right to stand up and speak your mind on what 
is an important issue for people like yourself who have a hearing impairment. 
This is not something that impacts me personally, but thankfully I have that 
very human trait of being able to put myself in the shoes of those it does. 

Furthermore, I do not have any shares in the monolith we have all come to know 
as 'Apple,' and thus care not one jot for justifiable criticism of a company 
that has grown far too big for its boots. Such entities tend to treat 
individuals, societies and even whole countries and continents with contempt. 
They rather stupidly forget the universal law that nothing can expand for ever.

So Jonathan, keep up the good work and let no one on this list or any other 
intimidate you out of   speaking up for what you believe in.
Best Wishes
Martin  

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 9:17 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone 
seven

hi David, there is certainly some bullying and personal attack that goes on 
here, but sadly that's the nature of a lot of email lists. People think they 
can drown people out because they have nothing better to do than to post 
multiple messages that become increasingly personal as the flaws in their 
argument are exposed. Personal attack is always the resort of those whose 
argument is weak.
What I will say to you though is that as you can see from the list, there are a 
number of us who have been trying to make a difference, hopefully to fend off a 
situation where we have to wait some time before our use case is addressed. I 
hope very much we've succeeded. If not, we keep going.
It was interesting to read a piece yesterday that backed up something I said on 
my own blog earlier this year. I feel sure that Apple has leaked the 
information about the lack of a headphone jack deliberately. They know it's a 
contentious issue, even among those who don't get their entire screen output 
via it as we do. They're hoping that by letting it leak, the majority of the 
anger will have subsided by release time. After all, it's an unusual situation 
where the thing most people are talking about is actually the removal of 
something, not a great new feature.
Apple do miscalculate from time to time and it's possible they have done so 
this time. Even if that proves not to be the case, Apple must obey the law like 
everyone else, and there is legislation like section 255 of the US 
Telecommunications Act that may make legal action possible if Apple makes 
things less accessible for a vulnerable group of users. Each country also has 
its own legislation.
In the end, what people say on this list makes not a scrap of difference and 
I've been focussing my energies on preparing for what I can do if we as blind 
hearing aid wearers can't use VO and charge our devices at the same time. I 
spoke up because I knew that there would be people here who were intimidated by 
some of the dismissive language, and I'm glad it's made you feel like you have 
people who get your needs.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org


On 3/09/2016, at 6:24 AM, David Griffith  > wrote:


I believe this is the arrogrant person  who described me as a troll 
because I tried to represent the issues of hearing impaired issues so I am not 
at all surprised by the ignorance and callousness of this reply to Jonathon.




Heaven help us if this is how members of our community turn of on deaf 
users.




David Griffith

On 02/09/2016 13:35, Scott Granados wrote:


Jonathan, now you’re just writing stuff to read it later, 
that’s just nutty.  You make it like some huge personal assault against the 
great and mighty Jonathan Mosen, please, we’ve seen an adapter is going to 
exist so you have your precious 1960s technology. 
  

In the end, probably 3 people are going to care about this 
issue over all and all 3 are on this list.:)

The average consumer doesn’t care what shape or size plug they 
use as long as when they plug it in the little light goes on and stuff works.



On Sep 1, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Jonathan Mosen 
 > wrote:

Keep fighting the good fight David. This is far too 
important an issue to give up. Our money is as good as anyone else's and we 
must never give up advocating for recognition of our need to be able to use our 
devices with efficiency and privacy while also charging them. If it turns out 
that this need has been met, then it will in part be due 

Accessibility and the Amazon site

[Martin Brown]

I use both the Windows platform and the Mac. I am, however, mostly a Windows
user. In recent times, say over the past year or so, using JAWS and
Window-Eyes with Internet Explorer, I have found the Amazon UK site almost
unusable. Quite recently I decided to give Fire Fox a go and boy what a
difference. It is like comparing day with night. If I need to visit Amazon
now it is once again a pleasure. All too often it is easy to blame the wrong
party for a deterioration in accessibility.

In the case of Windows, Microsoft have a lot to answer for. The Narrator
screen reader has improved, but it is still way short of being what it
should be. Microsoft's Edge may well be 100 per cent HTML5 compatible, but
what about all those sites that are not, and how accessible will they be
using Edge. We will still need a screen reader that digs deep to make those
sites usable for assistive technology users.

When I use Safari to brows the Amazon site, I have always found the DOM mode
to give the best results. All too often those who build a web page, and
those who build the browser feel the need to make change for the sake of
change rather than any improvement in performance. Even sighted people find
it all very frustrating, as quite often such useless changes break what was
working perfectly well.  
Martin

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clickable sorted

[Martin Brown]

I have just discovered that by setting speech verbosity level to low, gets
rid of the annoying 'clickable' prompt from Voiceover. Can always set up an
activity for this particular site, if that setting is too low for an
inexperienced Mac user.
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clickable

[Martin Brown]

I have configured the verbosity level of Voiceover quite a bit to suit my
needs. However, I cannot get rid of an annoying 'clickable' enouncement
when I move to a heading. Perhaps it is not possible to get rid of this, but
would sure be great for the old nervous system if Alex would just read the
content of the heading without telling me it is clickable.
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Thank you Craig

[Martin Brown]

That's  what I was doing wrong in this instance Craig. Forgot to interact. A
big thank you.
Martin

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Did I imagine

[Martin Brown]

Is it my imagination, that there used to be a key stroke to read
continuously using Voiceover. If true, was it 'VO keys plus the letter 'a'.
To stop reading, press the control key, and to start reading again press the
control key again.
I seem to remember that, when reading a newspaper that had each article
marked up as headers for example, when an article of interest was found
Voiceover could be set to read continuously and stopped with the above
commands.
The only command that comes close seems to be VO keys with the letter 'b' to
start reading from the beginning of a document, which is not a lot of use if
one wants to start continuous reading from any other point in a long or
multi headed document.
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RE: Mac Mini and wireless headphones

[Martin Brown]

Thanks Simon, Scott and others for the suggestions as how to solve my problem 
with the wireless headphones. Turns out that the problem was a router hub that 
was causing the interference. Now that I have unplugged the offending little so 
and so, sound heaven has returned to this neck of the woods.
Martin   

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 4:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Mini and wireless headphones

So my guess here is that the interference is 60 cycle hum is that correct, 50 
for you folks across the pond.  Would you say that’s the case?

I’m wondering if the jack size is different enough and or you’re plugging the 
line in and out in the wrong place type of thing.  I’m just trying to think of 
the things that have generated that sort of sound that I’ve done in the past 
and that’s a really simple one that’s caught me up before.  Might be a pin out 
deal as well if the jack you’re using is one of the integrated microphone / 
stereo combos that’s a little bit longer than your standard 8th inch jack.  
Also, some apples have a single line in and out that censes, the censing 
mechanism mightn’t be working, and others have separate.

Hope I didn’t confuse things.


> On Jul 15, 2016, at 7:28 AM, Martin Brown <mbrown.bro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There is indeed Simon. Sadly I get the same interference on all frequencies. 
> My reason for trying these instead of Bluetooth is quite simply to find a use 
> for a very nice and comfortable  pair of headphones. And, equally, my 
> curiosity has been peaked as to why I only get this problem on my Mac Mini.
> Martin
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 10:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Mac Mini and wireless headphones
> 
> Does the base station for the headset have a frequency selector on the base 
> of it?
> 
> 
> 
> Possibly you need to select a new channel for it to work from your mac.
> 
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of William Gallik
> Sent: Friday, 15 July 2016 8:23 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac Mini and wireless headphones
> 
> 
> 
> Pardon me if you've tried this, but why not Hook your Bluetooth earphones up 
> to your Mac Mini directly using the Bluetooth services on the Mac Mini?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 9.3.2)
> 
> 
> On Jul 15, 2016, at 2:56 AM, Martin Brown <mbrown.bro...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:mbrown.bro...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
>   Hi Scott.
>   Connecting my Mac Mini to a base station using the 3.5 headphone jack 
> on the back of the Mini. I suspect that it could be the close proximity of 
> that headphone jack to the USB outputs that could be the problem. If so, not 
> sure how the problem might be got around. Pity, because the headphones are 
> excellent quality with good comfort for prolonged wearing.
>   Martin
>   
>   -Original Message-
>   From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>   Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 5:44 PM
>   To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>   Subject: Re: Mac Mini and wireless headphones
>   
>   How are you connecting the headphones to the Mac?  Via 
> bluetoothdirectly or an adapter.
>   
>   
>   
> 
>   On Jul 14, 2016, at 6:28 AM, Martin Brown 
> <mbrown.bro...@gmail.com <mailto:mbrown.bro...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
>
> 
>   I have tried to use a set of wireless headphones on my Mac 
> Mini, but 
> 
>   get a constant hum in the background. I have tried them on my 
> Windows 
> 
>   machine and my wife has tried them on her iMac, and in both 
> instances 
> 
>   they perform flawlessly. Just wondering if anyone might suggest 
> a 
> 
>   possible cause, and even better, a possible fix.
> 
>   Martin
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RE: Mac Mini and wireless headphones

[Martin Brown]

There is indeed Simon. Sadly I get the same interference on all frequencies. My 
reason for trying these instead of Bluetooth is quite simply to find a use for 
a very nice and comfortable  pair of headphones. And, equally, my curiosity has 
been peaked as to why I only get this problem on my Mac Mini.
Martin

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On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 10:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mac Mini and wireless headphones

Does the base station for the headset have a frequency selector on the base of 
it?

 

Possibly you need to select a new channel for it to work from your mac.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of William Gallik
Sent: Friday, 15 July 2016 8:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Mini and wireless headphones

 

Pardon me if you've tried this, but why not Hook your Bluetooth earphones up to 
your Mac Mini directly using the Bluetooth services on the Mac Mini?

 



- Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 9.3.2)


On Jul 15, 2016, at 2:56 AM, Martin Brown <mbrown.bro...@gmail.com 
<mailto:mbrown.bro...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Scott.
Connecting my Mac Mini to a base station using the 3.5 headphone jack 
on the back of the Mini. I suspect that it could be the close proximity of that 
headphone jack to the USB outputs that could be the problem. If so, not sure 
how the problem might be got around. Pity, because the headphones are excellent 
quality with good comfort for prolonged wearing.
Martin

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<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 5:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Mac Mini and wireless headphones

How are you connecting the headphones to the Mac?  Via 
bluetoothdirectly or an adapter.




On Jul 14, 2016, at 6:28 AM, Martin Brown 
<mbrown.bro...@gmail.com <mailto:mbrown.bro...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I have tried to use a set of wireless headphones on my Mac 
Mini, but 

get a constant hum in the background. I have tried them on my 
Windows 

machine and my wife has tried them on her iMac, and in both 
instances 

they perform flawlessly. Just wondering if anyone might suggest 
a 

possible cause, and even better, a possible fix.

Martin

 

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RE: Mac Mini and wireless headphones

[Martin Brown]

Hi Scott.
Connecting my Mac Mini to a base station using the 3.5 headphone jack on the 
back of the Mini. I suspect that it could be the close proximity of that 
headphone jack to the USB outputs that could be the problem. If so, not sure 
how the problem might be got around. Pity, because the headphones are excellent 
quality with good comfort for prolonged wearing.
Martin

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Subject: Re: Mac Mini and wireless headphones

How are you connecting the headphones to the Mac?  Via bluetoothdirectly or an 
adapter.

> On Jul 14, 2016, at 6:28 AM, Martin Brown <mbrown.bro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have tried to use a set of wireless headphones on my Mac Mini, but 
> get a constant hum in the background. I have tried them on my Windows 
> machine and my wife has tried them on her iMac, and in both instances 
> they perform flawlessly. Just wondering if anyone might suggest a 
> possible cause, and even better, a possible fix.
> Martin
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Mac Mini and wireless headphones

[Martin Brown]

I have tried to use a set of wireless headphones on my Mac Mini, but get a
constant hum in the background. I have tried them on my Windows machine and
my wife has tried them on her iMac, and in both instances they perform
flawlessly. Just wondering if anyone might suggest a possible cause, and
even better, a possible fix.
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For Tim

[Martin Brown]

On your first question Tim, it is pop.
Secondly, When I load mail, it has focus on the inbox of my Gmail account.
I then tab into my list of emails.
If there is an email I wish to read, I press VO plus J to enter the body of
the text. To return to the list of emails again I press VO plus J again. To
move back to my list of mail boxes, I press shift together with the tab key.

As I write this reply, Mail seems to be behaving much better. Bear with me
for a moment and I shall try to explain what I done. As I have said in an
earlier email I have not been on my Mac for quite a while. However during
that time I changed my email provider to Google. Since that time I have been
using Outlook on my Windows machine. Of course, I had made sure to  check
the appropriate check box telling Outlook not to leave a copy of an email on
the server once it had been downloaded. Guess what Tim, might as well not
have bothered. On the Gmail site there is a combo box which must be set to
remove emails once your email client has downloaded it from the site.

Now began the fun. When I set up my new account in Mail over forty thousand
emails landed in my inbox. I began the process of deleting them, but of
course, as fast as I deleted them another copy was downloaded to my inbox.
This is when I went to Gmail and found what was wrong and put matters right.
I think poor old Mail just got totally overwhelmed. Once my mail boxes on
Google had been completely zeroed I then deleted my Gmail account together
with the account from my previous provider. I then created my new account
and was relieved to see that all my mailboxes were empty. So far, Mail is
behaving as it should and is a pleasure to use.

On the point about my issue with focus Tim, I agree totally. It is not a
problem for me to get around this minor issue. However, for my wife it is
rather more of a headache. I do not have to sign in when I boot up my Mac
each time, but she has too. I think this has something to do with iCloud. It
is then that the problem with focus can be a bit of a pain. I have a friend
who has the exact same problem and it is driving him up the wall. Perhaps
you, or someone else on the list, might know how to bypass this login
screen.
Best Wishes:
Martin 

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The Mail App

[Martin Brown]

Hi Scott and others.
My Mac Mini has a 500GB hard drive, of which about 400GB is free disk. In
terms of memory, should again be sufficient with 4GB.

I am sending this email from my Windows machine, as my Mac is still being a
bugger when trying to run the mail app. Had it on this morning, and it went
into a busy mode while doing straight forward tasks, e.g. reading and
deleting messages. In fact, I had to do a force quit to get my machine to
close down. So, as they say, we have a problem Houston. There are a few
things to try yet, but it may well be a case of a clean install.

I can fully understand the list member who feels the Mac is not for him.
>From the moment I switch on my machine I immediately run into what I assume
to be a bug. And, if it is a bug, then it is a long standing one. Namely,
nothing seems to have focus on the desk top. I have found ways around this,
of course, but for someone completely new to the Mac it is both confusing
and very challenging. Not the best introduction to a new operating system.


This is why at times I get disappointed with Voiceover. I am sure that
others have reported such issues to Apple, but nothing seems to get done. If
I was in a position to turn Voiceover off, then such problems, along with
others, would in all likelihood disappear. I am sure new problems would
arise in such a scenario, but as a sighted person I might be in a better
position to deal with them.

My wife is very much an Apple person, as far as mobile devices go, i.e.
phones and tablets. She also has a desk top Mac and gets the same focus
problems that I have mentioned above. She has, in the past, reported bugs on
her iPhone. She no longer bothers as the standard reply was, 'we can't
reproduce your problem. Could you give us more information.' This reply
suggests that the problem is with the user and not the device and its
software.

I have this rather simplistic view of how I might manage, for want of better
words, the Voiceover department of this huge company we have all come to
know as Apple. While sitting at my desk I would turn on my Mac with
Voiceover enabled. The first thing I would notice is, very possibly, that
nothing has focus. As this is not how things should be, I would be inclined
to try to get to the bottom of this. Sometimes solving little things can
solve bigger things as you delve deeper into what might be causing even
bigger and more problematic issues for the user.

Well, there you have it. I am just a very simple minded person.
Kind Regards:
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For the attention of Arnold

[Martin Brown]

Thank you for the information Arnold. And yes, I do have a monitor attached
to my Mac Mini. Indeed, when I first bought this little baby I was of the
opinion that they could run without  one. It almost drove me crazy every
time I went on the web. So, sadly that is not what is causing poor old Alex
to throw his toys out of his pram on this occasion.

I shall give it a go again tomorrow and perhaps, as sometimes is the case
with computers, it might have sorted itself. If not, then I shall do a clean
install when I have a little more time on my hands.
Thank you once again Arnold .
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On a serious note Scott

[Martin Brown]

Hi Scott.
Thankfully I'm not as paranoid as my last post might suggest. Just having a
hard day with the Mail App. No matter what I want to do, I get a lot of
'busy busy' from good old Alex. Perhaps my system just needs a good old
clean install.

On a serious note, it is sad, if true, that those whom we put our trust in
let us down in such an appalling way. But as you say, there are a lot of
good people doing the best they can with the resources at their disposal.

 I have no doubt that the upgrade to Narrator coming next month will not
include a talking installer. Perhaps someday it will. It is a long time
overdue. If there are those who are suppose to have our best interests at
heart, and through their greed have pushed that possibility further down the
road than it should be at this time, well shame on them.
Kind Regards:
Martin

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Interesting Points Scott

[Martin Brown]

As the subject line indicates Scott, a very interesting perspective on what
might well take place behind closed doors. Indeed, this is something I have
heard before from another source. Although it is difficult to believe, I
would rule nothing out when it comes to money and what it can buy. 

As far as I am aware, please correct me if wrong, but isn't the NFB the
National Federation of the Blind. One would think that they would be on our
side in such a matter. However, if what you are saying is true, then they
have been guilty of giving us blindies a right good shafting up the holistic
synthesiser so to speak.

I wonder is there any organisation in the world that corruption isn't the
norm anymore. I suppose not if one looks at politics the world over, and the
way Politicians   are bought by the big multi nationals to pass laws
favourable to their own interests.

We live in a world that is awash with information, and the technology to
gain instant access to that information. The problem is, how much is true
and how much is a steaming pile of brown stuff that evokes the gag response.

I have sometimes thought that organizations for the disabled, in this case
the blind, are little more than a resource to be farmed in as profitable a
way as possible by sighted entrepreneurs. OK Microsoft and others, you are
off the hook for the time being, but don't forget I am keeping my good half
eye on all your dealings with this very profitable resource of humans.

Finally, I do not want the folks on this list to think I am in anyway
paranoid. Please believe me when I say that there are a bunch of
well-dressed individuals who lurk around at the bottom of my garden just
waiting for the chance to have me. Thank goodness for Google's search
engine. The ability to have a quick look up at what a shifty bunch of
buggers are doing at the bottom of one's garden is very comforting.  
Kind Regards:
Martin

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Thank you Tim

[Martin Brown]

Hello Tim.
Thank you for that very constructive email. As I said in my previous post, I
find the folks on this list very knowledgeable and helpful about all things
Mac. On  your suggestion about the tab setting in the advanced window of
Safari, that is, however, already checked.
I am a little surprised to hear that a lot of Mac users prefer the grouping
method over that of DOM. I mostly use the latter of these methods. Indeed, I
find the grouping method of navigating a web site such as Amazon.co.uk a
little more problematic than using the DOM method. However, since my little
rant, I have tried the Grouping method on the Soap Kitchen and have found
that at least to make the site a lot more usable. At least Voiceover didn't
go into a tail spin. On the point about deleting bookmarks...well what can I
say Tim, my own stupidity on that one. It should have been obvious as it is
a similar method on the Windows platform. 

On your points about just how committed Apple is to making continuous
improvements to their screen reader, I sincerely hope you are right. It
would be a shame to let what has already been achieved become only something
recalled in the history books. So far, Microsoft's efforts on behalf of its
disabled customers is pitiful in contrast. I have been informed that on the
second of August 2016 we are to get a substantial upgrade to Narrator, the
Microsoft native screen reader. I just can't wait for that non-event to
happen. The thrill of it all is likely to give me multiple cerebral orgasms
of a sufficient magnitude to make my ears pop big time.
Respectfully Yours:
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For Alex

[Martin Brown]

Let me assure you Alex, and the other fine folks on this list, that no
insult was intended. In fact, I find the vast majority of people extremely
helpful and highly knowledgeable about all aspects of computing, and
especially on the topic of Voiceover.

Regarding NVDA, it must be remembered that the fine people behind this free
screen reader are dedicated to providing a way into computers for those who,
on the one hand can't afford the price of keeping up with the latest
offering from Freedom, and on the other hand there are those who simply
don't agree with paying for something that should be provided by Microsoft.

I used to have a payed licence for Window-Eyes, but now get it free because
of the Microsoft offer. So, Alex, I do not have a problem with a free screen
reader providing it works well for me.

I would love to know the Mac as well as some of the folks on this list do.
Sadly, I get discouraged with the recurring problems of bugs that can be so
time consuming.

I have noticed that others on this list, and when I say others I mean very
knowledgeable others, also find that Apple seem to be less committed to
accessibility now than in the past. The difference between the folks behind
NVDA and those behind the Voiceover project is that one is driven by
compassion while the other is driven by profits.

I would highly recommend NVDA to any user of Windows. Had it been around
when I first started to use a computer I would have had no hesitation in
using it. Indeed, I would have been more than happy to make a donation to
its upkeep. Sadly, my poor old brain just can't learn any more keystrokes.
JAWS, Window-Eyes and Voiceover have just about done for this tired old
piece of hardware running yesterday's software. 
Respectively Yours:
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Disappointed with Voiceover

[Martin Brown]

My first encounter with Voiceover was back in the Snow Leopard days, and boy
was I impressed with the level of commitment by Apple to its screen reader.
It was back then I was enthusiastic about learning as much as I could about
this very different way of accessing a computer. It was quite a struggle
having come from the Windows environment, but I persevered and most of what
I know about interacting with my Mac goes back to those days. Sadly, I feel
it has been down hill as far as building upon what made Voiceover a great
solution to help a blind person do what needs to be done to get the most and
the best out of their Mac.

In the past few years I only drop in occasionally to see if things are
getting better with what used to be a great product only to find that things
are no better, and sometimes even worse. We are now some nine months into
the release of El Capitan, and still there are bugs that should have been
sorted before the software was even out the door. I am not one of those
people who expect everything to always work perfectly from day one. Nor do I
expect that sometimes one has to think outside the box when working with
energised silicone chips, but when doing basic tasks such as deleting a web
site from favourites, the task should be simple and take seconds to perform.
Oh boy, not on this Mac.

And then there's Safari. When it works it's good, but when it doesn't it
would drive a Zen master towards the Prozac shelf. On some sites its fine,
on others it's rickety, while on others it quite simply refuses to work. An
example of the latter is the Soap Kitchen, a company based in the United
Kingdom. It was so bad I was on the verge of pressing the off switch to get
out of the mess. The big problem with the Mac is, if Voiceover is playing up
then you're basically stuffed. On a Windows machine, what one screen reader
doesn't do another might. I know there are very dedicated and able users of
Voiceover on this list who may take offence to an interloper such as myself
for daring to criticise Apple for its efforts. However, I feel if El Capitan
is the best a multibillion company can do for its disabled customers, then
give me Windows any day where I have to pay for a more reliable screen
reader. Free is not always best, and Voiceover is testimony to that.

In the near future, it is rumoured, that Microsoft will provide a screen
reader worthy of that label. I am not holding my breath for that to become a
reality. However, let's assume that Microsoft finally gets a moral
conscience and does what it should have done years ago and enables people
who are blind to access their product out of the box. If it is as bug-ridden
as Voiceover is, then I will still be happy to pay for a better experience.
Despite my best efforts with the Mac, my productivity suffers badly using
Voiceover.

However, all is not lost. After all we will soon be getting a new and
supposedly better operating system from the Gods at Apple. Perhaps I will
give it a go after a nine month period in the hope that Apple has once more
taken its commitment to accessibility back on to a more serious footing. As
with Microsoft, however, I shall not be holding my breath. I have been
reliably informed that asphyxia is not a pleasant way to pop one's clogs.


On a final note, I know and accept that screen readers such as JAWS and
Window-Eyes are not perfect. But I find both way more reliable than
Voiceover. Using either with Internet Explorer, the vast majority of sites
are very manageable. What I want to do with my computer, be it Windows or
Mac, is to just get the job done in as short a time as possible. The last
thing I want to spend my time on is trying to figure out how to get around a
bug that someone with a degree in computer science has created in the first
place. I can't help but wonder how much better accessibility would be today
had the genius that was Steve Jobs still been around to guide a company that
seems to have lost its way.
Martin

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El Capitan

[Martin Brown]

I have just upgraded from Yosemite to El Capitan, and although it is a bit
early to make a judgement on the wisdom of my decision, I have noticed that
a loss of focus does give me some concerns. For example, when I go to the
App Store, I have to do all sorts of gymnastics in order to navigate the
page and get feedback from Voiceover. Plus, when typing in the search field
on said page, Voiceover does not echo back what I am entering even though
the characters are being entered faithfully. Is this an issue that other
list members are having, and if so, is there a good work around.

As mentioned above, I upgraded my system rather than doing a clean install.
I am a very light user of my Mac and therefore felt that such a step was
unnecessary, at least until the next release of the operating system later
this year. I would certainly be interested in what the more experienced
users on this list think before doing a clean install.
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SuperDuper or CCC

[Martin Brown]

I wish to make a bootable  drive of my internal Macintosh HD. Are both
SuperDuper and CCC equally accessible with VoiceOver? And, do the folks on
this list have a preference?
Thank you in advance for any help.
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test, pleas ignore

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Mountain Lion and banking

[Martin Brown]

I have done a clean install of Mountain Lion. Sadly, I no longer seem to be
able to access my bank account on line. Of course, Java is used to give a
secure connection. I used to get a log in page where I entered my password
etc. Now, there is nothing. Has anyone else experienced such a problem, and,
if so, is there a way around it.
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RE: Mountain Lion and banking

[Martin Brown]

Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to answer. At least I'm not alone
in having these difficulties.
Martin  

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eugenia Firth
Sent: 12 December 2012 14:21
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mountain Lion and banking

Hi Martin
My bank is with Bank of America, and so far I have not had any problems
getting on with Mountain lion. I wonder if it would help for you to change
Safari to say that you are using windows. If you want to do that, and you
don't know how, I'll have to go look it up since I can't remember off the
top of my head how to do it.
Regards
Gigi  Just  I wonder if you might try

Sent from my iPhone

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I have done a clean install of Mountain Lion. Sadly, I no longer
seem to be able to access my bank account on line. Of course, Java is used
to give a secure connection. I used to get a log in page where I entered my
password etc. Now, there is nothing. Has anyone else experienced such a
problem, and, if so, is there a way around it.
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RE: Mountain Lion and banking

[Martin Brown]

What do you mean by 'voiceover, Adam'? Not clear on that.
Martin 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Babcock
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Subject: Re: Mountain Lion and banking

Safari preferences-advanced-developer mode checkbox check close Safari
preferences, do voiceover, Adam, right arrow to the developmental, and
select windows under the user agent submenu.

You can now call toll-free:
855-898-2582, extension 7301
To reach me.
Thanks

Check out the new, and improved, radioflathead.com, Voicing the  randomness.
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Hi Martin
My bank is with Bank of America, and so far I have not had any
problems getting on with Mountain lion. I wonder if it would help for you to
change Safari to say that you are using windows. If you want to do that, and
you don't know how, I'll have to go look it up since I can't remember off
the top of my head how to do it.
Regards
Gigi  Just  I wonder if you might try

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I have done a clean install of Mountain Lion. Sadly, I no
longer seem to be able to access my bank account on line. Of course, Java is
used to give a secure connection. I used to get a log in page where I
entered my password etc. Now, there is nothing. Has anyone else experienced
such a problem, and, if so, is there a way around it.
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RE: should I unauthorize my iTunes account

[Martin Brown]

Thanks' once again to all those who have taken the time to answer my
question.
Martin 

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Subject: Re: should I unauthorize my iTunes account

I'm not sure what this is based on, if it's hardware of software specific. I
prefer to deauthorize the computer and authorize it again after the install,
this certainly won't hurt anything.
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 I am giving serious consideration to doing a clean install of Mountain 
 Lion. I am wondering if it would be best or even necessary to unauthorize
my iTunes account before starting the process.
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should I unauthorize my iTunes account

[Martin Brown]

Hello everyone again.
I am giving serious consideration to doing a clean install of Mountain Lion.
I am wondering if it would be best or even necessary to 

unauthorize my iTunes account before starting the process.

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clean install or upgrade?

[Martin Brown]

Hello folks.
At the moment I am running Snow Leopard. I have just purchased Mountain
Lion, but have not installed it as yet. I have created a bootable flash
drive. I am very undecided on weather to go for a clean install or just
install it over Snow Leopard. Any advice from those of you who have taken
both paths would be much appreciated.
My system is in good condition, so I am very tempted to take the easy way
out and install over my existing tried and trusted Snow Leopard. If I do, is
there anything I need to look out for?
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RE: An Idiot's guide to creating playlists in iTunes

[Martin Brown]

Thanks very much for that Teresa. 
Perhaps you could help me a little more. In your response you said to find
my iPod in the sources table and then vo right arrow once and I should be in
a table. When I do that, I simply move down one row to the next item in the
sources table.
I have noted that when focused on my iPod in the sources table, voiceover
informs me that the device is charging and the state of charge. Voiceover
also informs me that the device is collapsed. Am I to assume that this means
that I have no direct access to the device. If so, how do I change this.
Many thanks to all those who have responded to my request for help.
May I just add that ITunes has to be one of the most unintuitive programmes
that I have ever had the misfortune to come across. Why Apple do not allow
users to simply use their devices as external drives remains a mystery to
me.
Martin  

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: 07 October 2011 16:45
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Subject: Re: An Idiot's guide to creating playlists in iTunes

Hello, Martin,

First of all, once you connect your drive, go to Itunes and press command-o
to add items to your library. You can browse in that dialog for your drive.
Import your files. Then, in the sources list, go to recently added. Your
files should be there. Turn cursor tracking off with VO-shift-f3. This will
allow you to move the VO cursor around without moving the system cursor, so
you can select the files you want. Go to a file and press
command-option-control space to tell VO to select it. Keep doing this for
each file you want to copy. Hit command-c to copy, then turn cursor tracking
back on with VO-shift-f3. Once you have your IPod connected, find it in your
sources area. Once you have it, VO right once and there you should find a
table. Press command-v to paste the files you have copied there.

You might have noticed that your Ipod area has some settings available. The
setings here will depend on your Ipod model. These will allow you to sync
your music in various ways. Once you have done the manual method I've
outlined, you might want to try setting these up, so that your Ipod will
sync your music for you. Personally, I do everything manually, but that is
just my own preference.

Hope this helps,
Teresa
On Oct 6, 2011, at 5:22 AM, Martin Brown wrote:

 Everyone,
  
 I would like to create playlists so that I might put specific music into
them in order to use my iPod Touch.  I have a Mac, but I just cannot get to
grips with how to use iTunes and copy music into it from an external drive
in order to make playlists.
  
 Please, please, please, could someone give me an idiot's step-by-step
guide on how to do this?
  
 Many thanks.
  
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An Idiot's guide to creating playlists in iTunes

[Martin Brown]

Everyone,

 

I would like to create playlists so that I might put specific music into
them in order to use my iPod Touch.  I have a Mac, but I just cannot get to
grips with how to use iTunes and copy music into it from an external drive
in order to make playlists.

 

Please, please, please, could someone give me an idiot's step-by-step guide
on how to do this?

 

Many thanks.

 

Martin

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