Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi Cara,
Thank you for replying. Unfortunately I don’t think I can remain on this list. 
I’d like to say thank you to all of those people that helped me with my Mac 
over the last year and a half.  
People would be most welcome to keep in touch off list.
petrus.t...@gmail.com 


> On 3/07/2020, at 06:05, Cara Quinn  wrote:
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> Hi All,
> 
> Firstly, please let me apologize for the delay in writing. My keeping up with 
> each topic these days has been in fits and starts.
> 
> I want to thank a hand full of kind souls who highlighted the recent 
> troubling thread. -And I needed to make sure I read through the thread(s) in 
> entirety before I spoke.
> 
> Regrettably, we have people who have either left this list over the last 
> couple of days or those who feel that that might be appropriate.
> 
> To address at least some of what has happened here, I’d just like to say 
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> This list is also no place for deliberately inflammatory speech. What this 
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> states how they personally feel and is not aimed at anyone, then that sig is 
> allowed. This is free speech.
> 
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> without actually coming right out and saying that message; and using this 
> list as a vehicle to do so, then that is absolutely not allowed here.
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> foster common ground and really help each other move ahead.
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> We are all users of Apple products here with certain needs in our daily usage 
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Petrus Tuerlings]

I’m sorry Phill,
But your Argument would hold more value if you weren’t guilty of the same 
thing. You have the nerve to talk about freedom of speech and the right to have 
what ever signature you want. But you were quite happy to make a perfectly 
decent gentlemen delete his actual name that was spelt out in the  arabic 
alphabet and it offended your sensitive little ears. I know you blocked him but 
you still had to speak your disapproval of someone using their own name 
publicly. And it is his identity  and I know whoo I’d rather be friends with if 
I ever got to meet any one of you. . 

> On 2/07/2020, at 13:01, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> I don’t see how there’s anything bigoted, racist, disrespectful, or 
> insensitive about Ray’s signature. The man is white he’s a Christian and he’s 
> from the south, and he’s tired of being told That all those three things are 
> terrible. And simon, why should ray have to remove his signature when we are 
> exposed to the crap about ancient aliens every day. Frankly I don’t like 
> hearing about aliens as our progenitors, or whatever the hell he believes, 
> but I don’t get my nose all out of joint about it. Nobody has to shut up or 
> wipe their signatures. That’s called free-speech, and that’s One of the main 
> reasons  why we threw the British crown out of the colonies, so we could 
> speak our damn minds. apparently  You all hate free-speech and you love 
> conformity and that’s really too damn bad.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
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> 
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:15 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> What  I  Meant was: Mr.BarefootRay's Signature Represents "Him"
>> &
>> I  Rather Know Where "He" Stands
>> 
>> All that  You Said about Mr.BarefootRay, I  AgreeWith
>> 
>> MyApologies if There was a  MisUnderStanding with MyOPreviousPosting to 
>> ThisThread
>> 
>> 
>> At 02:29 PM 7/1/2020, you wrote:
>>> other than it’s bigoted and racist, and disrespectful and insensitive, no 
>>> there’s not a *thing* wrong with that! *rolling eyes*
>>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Robin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don'tThink:
>>> There's AnyThing Wrong with Mr.BarefootRay's Signature, so He shouldn't Be 
>>> Forced to Change or Alter HisSignature.
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Re: Microsoft outlook on the Mac

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi Simon and Nancy,
I know with the native mail app one needs to press VO space bar once the 
desired person comes up while your arrowing down the list of contacts after 
typing the first couple of letters, pressing enter doesn’t work. Is this 
different with Outlook?


> On 1/07/2020, at 12:58, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Nancy,
> 
> Sorry to hear about your sight situation,
> 
> Try typing the first characters of the person or address you are looking for 
> in to the to field and then arrow down,
> 
> It should list any / all contacts you have made contact with and once you 
> find the one you want, just hit enter.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Nancy Badger' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2020 9:04 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Microsoft outlook on the Mac
> 
> hi everyone,
> I have been partially sighted for the past several years. I have to switch to 
> complete voice over now because of a surgery I cannot see at all. I am using 
> voice over with Microsoft outlook on the Mac. When I type a name into the two 
> column, I can’t figure out how to get to the options. In other words if I 
> type an email to Doe and I want to click on John Doe, how do I do that using 
> voiceover? Also if anyone has a list of keyboard commands for Microsoft 
> outlook I would be very appreciative.
> Thanks so much!
> Nancy
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Executive Director of Counseling
> Old Dominion University
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
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Re: Containers what are they? Was Thanks for help with moving to Dock

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Ah, thanks, I was visualising them one on top of the other, but side by side 
works as well.

> On 30/06/2020, at 09:42, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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>   Containers are groups of elements. more prevalent on the iPad. One example 
> wpuld be seen in settings. On the iPhone it is all one container. On the 
> iPad, it is two containers, the left holding the main groups and the right 
> holds the elements such as General in the left container and all its related 
> options in the right.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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> in the past. What if it were true?
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> On 6/29/2020 2:24 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> I would like to know what are containers used for?  I don’t understand them.
>> Kawal.
>>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 19:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> When I posted my last messages, I was kind of distracted because I was 
>>> trying to monitor more things than my brain could hold. :)  so apologies if 
>>> they seemed a bit short.
>>> 
>>> I wanted to say a more proper thanks to all of you for your input and 
>>> suggestions. I figured out that the reason that the container command 
>>> didn't work yesterday was because I was using a different command. I read 
>>> that the command was dots- 4-7 chord. That did not work for me, but 
>>> Jonathan's suggestion of dot 6-chord worked quite well with containers in 
>>> the rotor.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: Containers what are they? Was Thanks for help with moving to Dock

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Containers are just Apples word for the different sections on your iPad screen. 
So if you open your settings on the iPad, instead of swiping across until you 
find the settings you just opened you can find containers in the rotor and then 
flick down with one finger and it will take you straight to the section on the 
screen for your settings.  So the screen is split and you have all your icons 
at the top and a section opens below that for the settings.

> On 30/06/2020, at 09:24, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> I would like to know what are containers used for?  I don’t understand them.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 19:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> When I posted my last messages, I was kind of distracted because I was 
>> trying to monitor more things than my brain could hold. :)  so apologies if 
>> they seemed a bit short.
>> 
>> I wanted to say a more proper thanks to all of you for your input and 
>> suggestions. I figured out that the reason that the container command didn't 
>> work yesterday was because I was using a different command. I read that the 
>> command was dots- 4-7 chord. That did not work for me, but Jonathan's 
>> suggestion of dot 6-chord worked quite well with containers in the rotor.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

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Yes I do, I just find it easier to type on but then I’m unusual in that respect.

> On 28/06/2020, at 21:01, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Petrus,
>  
> You also find the butterfly keyboard ok as well?
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Sunday, 28 June 2020 10:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
>  
> Yes, I like my MacBook Pro with the Touch Bar. Although the new ones with the 
> physical escape button would be an improvement. It is very easy too 
> accidentally touch the bar and VoiceOver will say escape. Using VoiceOver 
> isn’t so bad as we need to double tap to activate it but I’ve heard that 
> sighted users are accidentally touching the escape key quite a lot. I think 
> that’s why they changed it back to a button.
> 
> 
> On 27/06/2020, at 15:37, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi ET,
> 
> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac book 
> pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
> 
>I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts 
> at $1799.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
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> 
> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as 
> I can get.
> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
> Any ideas on which model to look for.
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Yes, I like my MacBook Pro with the Touch Bar. Although the new ones with the 
physical escape button would be an improvement. It is very easy too 
accidentally touch the bar and VoiceOver will say escape. Using VoiceOver isn’t 
so bad as we need to double tap to activate it but I’ve heard that sighted 
users are accidentally touching the escape key quite a lot. I think that’s why 
they changed it back to a button.

> On 27/06/2020, at 15:37, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi ET,
> 
> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac book 
> pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
> 
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
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> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
> 
>I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts 
> at $1799.
> 
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> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as 
>> I can get.
>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
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Re: Seeing Ai issues?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

It works pretty well for me as well. I’m guessing there could be plenty of 
reasons for different results. The model of phone and the camera on said phone, 
or the lighting conditions or even the steadiness of ones hand.  The only place 
I can’t seem to get it to do what I want is reading the touch screen on the 
oven at work. 

> On 26/06/2020, at 05:59, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> I just had it read a fairly busy screen on my iMac in Short Text mode and it 
> did fine.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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> On Jun 25, 2020, at 11:56 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
>   I just tried it with the short text channel, works fine. Barcodes too.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> Many believe that we have been visited
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> 
> On 6/25/2020 10:41 AM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
>> I’m using short text and its awful now.
>> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > *On Behalf Of *Jessica Moss
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 8:06 AM
>> *To:* 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries > >
>> *Subject:* Re: Seeing Ai issues?
>> I’ve noticed, not really with the short text portion of the app, but the 
>> exact same thing you’re describing with the barcode option.  It seems to be 
>> really quirky when trying to scan for a barcode, then when it finally 
>> detects it, it displays the “text not recognized” message. So at this point, 
>> I either just use the short text option and try to ID the item as best I 
>> can, or if I need directions read to me, I just call an Aira agent and have 
>> them read them to me.
>>On Jun 25, 2020, at 7:47 AM, > 
>>> >> > 
>>> >> wrote:
>>All:
>>Is anyone else having issues with the Seeing ai app? Its horrible
>>for me. The app no longer automatically finds text. I have to
>>manually choose take a picture, as well as it keeps saying nothing
>>is visible.. I’ve even tested on items I’ve read before.
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Re: WWDC Releases

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Same as how you use find your friend, you  need to enable permissions.  And the 
same as  My mate can share his house key with me on my phone if he wants but 
that doesn’t mean someone can steel his phone or my phone and get into his 
house.

> On 24/06/2020, at 14:12, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> So hwo then do you explain being able to share your key with someone else
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
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>  
> I think you will find that the car keys on the phone will work in conjunction 
> with Face ID so I don’t think someone will be able to steal your phone and 
> car. So it would probably be more secure then an actual key or keyless remote 
> that someone could use if it fell out of ones pocket or lost ones handbag. 
> 
> 
> On 23/06/2020, at 20:57, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Ok so having just finished watching the keynote due to not wanting to get up 
> at 5am Nz time,
>  
> I’m rather inpressed with what they are saying is going to be coming out in 
> the new Os  versions,
>  
> I’m going to assume that like in IOS 13 that somethings wont be available 
> until time down the track,
> But ok fine, so long as they get it right this time and don’t have continuous 
> issues in production like they are still having in 13.
>  
> The one big concern I have going forward is only due to my mixed alegance,
> That being that I’m using both Mac OS and windows on my 2013 air via bootcamp,
>  
> And that is that with the new technology for the mac computer line,
> The use of the apple silicon architecture  
> Will I still be able to run windows via bootcamp or will I have to go to a VM 
> product like vm fusion which I have but prefer BC or parallels which I 
> believe is still not accessible to us and doesn’t like jaws if it’s installed 
> to a windows vm!
>  
> What I do see finally happening here with the new architecture is that mac os 
> and IOS / iPad os etc will in a few years be one and the same which they have 
> been working on for a long time now.
>  
> More seamless interaction between devices / platforms and a single app store 
> and app range for all devices.
>  
> I’m also interested to finally get to try a beta on my watch once watch os 14 
> public beta is made available next month,
> Now not something just for the developers out there.
>  
> I’m also now more interested in the airpods pro and having surround sound 
> type features fromm them while in use, that could be very cool for live music 
> situations if concerts are recorded in such formats as dolby atmos etc,
>  
> But the real funny one is you have if in the situation  your car keys on your 
> phone,
>  
> Your phone gets stolen,
> And now will your car also,
>  
> I’m glad I’m not a BMW fan,
>  
> Pall in all I think this sounds like a good release, and the presentation was 
> very well done under the circumstances  , I’m interested to hear / see what 
> other companys do now going forward when it comes to conferences and product 
> releases.
> Apple should be bloody proud of the keynote,
>  
>  
> Just my thoughts 
> SF
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Re: WWDC Releases

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I think you will find that the car keys on the phone will work in conjunction 
with Face ID so I don’t think someone will be able to steal your phone and car. 
So it would probably be more secure then an actual key or keyless remote that 
someone could use if it fell out of ones pocket or lost ones handbag. 

> On 23/06/2020, at 20:57, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Ok so having just finished watching the keynote due to not wanting to get up 
> at 5am Nz time,
>  
> I’m rather inpressed with what they are saying is going to be coming out in 
> the new Os  versions,
>  
> I’m going to assume that like in IOS 13 that somethings wont be available 
> until time down the track,
> But ok fine, so long as they get it right this time and don’t have continuous 
> issues in production like they are still having in 13.
>  
> The one big concern I have going forward is only due to my mixed alegance,
> That being that I’m using both Mac OS and windows on my 2013 air via bootcamp,
>  
> And that is that with the new technology for the mac computer line,
> The use of the apple silicon architecture  
> Will I still be able to run windows via bootcamp or will I have to go to a VM 
> product like vm fusion which I have but prefer BC or parallels which I 
> believe is still not accessible to us and doesn’t like jaws if it’s installed 
> to a windows vm!
>  
> What I do see finally happening here with the new architecture is that mac os 
> and IOS / iPad os etc will in a few years be one and the same which they have 
> been working on for a long time now.
>  
> More seamless interaction between devices / platforms and a single app store 
> and app range for all devices.
>  
> I’m also interested to finally get to try a beta on my watch once watch os 14 
> public beta is made available next month,
> Now not something just for the developers out there.
>  
> I’m also now more interested in the airpods pro and having surround sound 
> type features fromm them while in use, that could be very cool for live music 
> situations if concerts are recorded in such formats as dolby atmos etc,
>  
> But the real funny one is you have if in the situation  your car keys on your 
> phone,
>  
> Your phone gets stolen,
> And now will your car also,
>  
> I’m glad I’m not a BMW fan,
>  
> Pall in all I think this sounds like a good release, and the presentation was 
> very well done under the circumstances  , I’m interested to hear / see what 
> other companys do now going forward when it comes to conferences and product 
> releases.
> Apple should be bloody proud of the keynote,
>  
>  
> Just my thoughts 
> SF
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Re: iOS 13 Continuous Read Borked—Is It Just Me?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Sorry, can’t say I’ve noticed. I’ll have to pay more attention next time I’m 
doing a read all on web content with imbedded links. 

> On 24/06/2020, at 05:46, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> Thanks, great idea. Unfortunately the setting is already set to speak. Also 
> it’s only happening during continuous read; normally it’s behaving exactly as 
> it should. Is it working in continuous read for you also?
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Re: iOS 13 Continuous Read Borked—Is It Just Me?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

This might not help but check in the VoiceOver settings under Verbosity to see 
if in bedded is set to Speak? That might have nothing to do with it but might 
as well check.

> On 23/06/2020, at 00:28, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi crowd.
> 
> It's driving me bonkers. Whenever I do a read all in any web content, VO 
> fails to announce links, even as it patiently points out headings, when I 
> really need it to be the other way around, as it once used to be, not that 
> long ago I am sure. I could reliably listen to articles; now I have to go 
> back and review for links I may have missed.
> 
> Is it really just me, or is there something I failed to do since some iOS 13 
> update or other borked it?
> 
> Your help appreciated. And yes I know I've been absent for a while; needless 
> to say it's just time pressure, but I still receive list traffic.
> 
> Cheers,
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System dialog

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi all,
Simple question that has been asked before and I’ve gone and forgotten it. 
Voiceover is telling me that there is Two System dialogs displayed but I can’t 
remember how to see what they are? I’lll try and save the answer this time so I 
don’t need to ask again.
Thanks in advance
Petrus 
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Re: Messages Handling With iOS 13.5

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Interesting, I’ve never noticed this. I’ve looked in Settings under messages 
but can’t find anything that would change this.

> On 18/06/2020, at 09:58, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   I see this too, and have been for quite some time. I am always put in the 
> text field when I should be in the new conversation.
> 
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> On 6/17/2020 2:42 PM, Pete De Vasto wrote:
>> Hi again,
>> I’m not sure when this started happening, maybe iOS 13.4, but whenever I get 
>> notified that someone has sent me a message, and I go into messages to act 
>> on it, instead of going into the conversation area, I get a list of 
>> predicted responses, like OK, thanks, thank you, and a few more I can’t 
>> remember. I don’t need to see these responses, so is there any way I can 
>> stop this from happening? I hope this is making sense.
>> Thanks,
>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Catalina questions.

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Your Ripped music should be fine, I also have a lot of ripped music and it was 
all still there when I upgraded. Also the books app in Catalina will play audio 
books now as well.

> On 16/06/2020, at 07:25, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> What about your ripped music? Was it all still there? I’m really worried 
> about that, because I bought a lot of CDs that I imported into my music 
> library, and have since sold the CD to  preserve  space
> 
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>> On Jun 15, 2020, at 2:19 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>    Catalina replaces iTunes with 3 new apps. Music, TV, and Podcasts. 
>> Similar to iOS 13.
>> 
>>  Now you access music in the Music and and movies and TV shows in the TV app.
>> 
>>  The only real complaint I have is how Apple handled the iTunes store. There 
>> is no longer an iTunes store app as there is in iOS. I't is somewhat screwy 
>> in the music and TV apps.
>> 
>>  Finder is ok. Use Finder to sync content to your iDevices. Yes there is a 
>> dictation button in most places in Finder, same as iOS.
>> 
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>>> On 6/15/2020 11:59 AM, Pete Nalda wrote:
>>> First question, what does Catalina do with your ripped music in your music 
>>> library? And exactly how different is the user interface overall?  I heard 
>>> the finder was pretty different. I hear there are new dictation features, 
>>> they are more easily accessible. Is this correct? I’m thinking about 
>>> upgrading, because I’m tired of seeing the little number one on my settings 
>>> icon. Plus I want to explore All the new features. Thanks in advance.
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
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Re: iPhone SE 2nd Gen

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Have you been cleaning your phone with anything in particular lately, 
especially since this whole virus thing? As I think some alcohol based cleaning 
products can be quite damaging to the phone.

Sent from Petrus's iPhone

On 12/06/2020, at 15:17, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   My phone has a cover yes but it does not cover any part of the home button. 
I may try to get someone to tak me to an Apple store before I do anything else. 
I do like the 8+. I also may again work with this and try different strategies.

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> On 6/11/2020 7:06 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
> I’m a little surprised that your Touch ID no longer works reliably. I too 
> have an 8+ and haven’t had any problems with it Have you got a cover on your 
> phone that maybe obscuring the finger print sensor? Have you tried resetting 
> your finger prints?
>>> On 12/06/2020, at 13:33, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>>   Has anyone gone from an iPhone 8 or 8+ to the new SE? I have th 8+ on 
>> which Touch ID no longer functions. I like the size of the plus model but 
>> may have to downsize as the other newer models are much more expensive.
>> 
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Re: iPhone SE 2nd Gen

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I’m a little surprised that your Touch ID no longer works reliably. I too have 
an 8+ and haven’t had any problems with it Have you got a cover on your phone 
that maybe obscuring the finger print sensor? Have you tried resetting your 
finger prints? 


> On 12/06/2020, at 13:33, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Has anyone gone from an iPhone 8 or 8+ to the new SE? I have th 8+ on which 
> Touch ID no longer functions. I like the size of the plus model but may have 
> to downsize as the other newer models are much more expensive.
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Re: IOS updates

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Yeah that’s what I was thinking. I’l check her auto lock of the screen tonight 
when she’s home. 

> On 12/06/2020, at 12:04, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I think the difference is that you let your wife's phone go to sleep while 
> you kept your phone stay awake while it downloaded the new software.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I got what your saying but I don’t think that is it. I definitely had 
>> to double tap on the download and install button the same as my wife. And if 
>> it had already been downloaded I would have heard VoiceOver say “One new 
>> item” when I selected my settings. I thought about it and maybe my wife has 
>> her auto lock set at a shorter time then me. I have mine set at 5 minutes  
>> so I’m guessing that my screen wasn’t locked once the download completed and 
>> it started the installation. My wife might have her auto lock set at 2 
>> minutes or something so I might check that tonight when she’s home.  
>> 
>>> On 11/06/2020, at 20:12, Simon A Fogarty >> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi petrus,
>>>  
>>> Chances are that your phone had downloaded the update to it’s cache and 
>>> when you hit install and entered your pin it started installing.
>>>  
>>> As for your wife,
>>> I’d think that was a you had to download the IOs version which required the 
>>> pin but then while it was downloading and you fell asleep
>>> It finished the dl and then required you to hit install an that is when you 
>>> got the Pin request again.
>>>  
>>> Hope that makes sense.
>>>  
>>> Simon f
>>>  
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>>> Sent: Thursday, 11 June 2020 9:38 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: IOS updates
>>>  
>>> Hi all,
>>> I’m a little curious as to IOS updates. Yesterday I updated too 13.5.1 on 
>>> both my wife’s phone an my own. I did mine in the morning. I opened the 
>>> General settings on my phone and selected software update and tapped on 
>>> Download and install. Entered my pass code to verify the update request and 
>>> let it do its thing. Once it was done I entered my pass code again and it 
>>> was all done. I did my wife’s phone last night and did the same thing, once 
>>> I tapped on download and install and entered her pass code it started 
>>> downloading. I fell asleep and woke up about an hour later so I checked it. 
>>> I had to unlock the phone with the pass code again and it was waiting for 
>>> me to tap the install now button. My phone completed the entire process 
>>> without me having to tap the install now   button but my wife’s phone took 
>>> two steps. We both have an 8+ with the same memory and the same age. We got 
>>> them together at the same time. So why would my one complete the download 
>>> and install from start to finish and her one asking to install now after 
>>> downloading it?
>>> Just curious.  
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Re: IOS vertical scrollbars with voiceover

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Once you find the scroll bar you can flick up or down with one finger to adjust 
the percentage value, this should work on the vertical scroll bars or the 
horizontal scroll bars. See if that helps?

> On 12/06/2020, at 09:29, Michael Marshall  wrote:
> 
> hey all,
> Running into a very interesting situation and I don't quite know how to solve 
> it.
> If I'm looking at a page of content in an app such as youtube, after awhile I 
> come to a vertical scroll bar.
> I know I need to somehow activate this to see more content, I have tried 
> interacting with it when it says something like, scrollbar 100% and moving 
> the slider but I still cannot see any more content I know it's there.
> Am I missing something?
> It is really annoying me.
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Re: IOS updates

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Yes, I got what your saying but I don’t think that is it. I definitely had to 
double tap on the download and install button the same as my wife. And if it 
had already been downloaded I would have heard VoiceOver say “One new item” 
when I selected my settings. I thought about it and maybe my wife has her auto 
lock set at a shorter time then me. I have mine set at 5 minutes  so I’m 
guessing that my screen wasn’t locked once the download completed and it 
started the installation. My wife might have her auto lock set at 2 minutes or 
something so I might check that tonight when she’s home.  

> On 11/06/2020, at 20:12, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi petrus,
>  
> Chances are that your phone had downloaded the update to it’s cache and when 
> you hit install and entered your pin it started installing.
>  
> As for your wife,
> I’d think that was a you had to download the IOs version which required the 
> pin but then while it was downloading and you fell asleep
> It finished the dl and then required you to hit install an that is when you 
> got the Pin request again.
>  
> Hope that makes sense.
>  
> Simon f
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Thursday, 11 June 2020 9:38 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: IOS updates
>  
> Hi all,
> I’m a little curious as to IOS updates. Yesterday I updated too 13.5.1 on 
> both my wife’s phone an my own. I did mine in the morning. I opened the 
> General settings on my phone and selected software update and tapped on 
> Download and install. Entered my pass code to verify the update request and 
> let it do its thing. Once it was done I entered my pass code again and it was 
> all done. I did my wife’s phone last night and did the same thing, once I 
> tapped on download and install and entered her pass code it started 
> downloading. I fell asleep and woke up about an hour later so I checked it. I 
> had to unlock the phone with the pass code again and it was waiting for me to 
> tap the install now button. My phone completed the entire process without me 
> having to tap the install now   button but my wife’s phone took two steps. We 
> both have an 8+ with the same memory and the same age. We got them together 
> at the same time. So why would my one complete the download and install from 
> start to finish and her one asking to install now after downloading it?
> Just curious.  
> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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IOS updates

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi all,
I’m a little curious as to IOS updates. Yesterday I updated too 13.5.1 on both 
my wife’s phone an my own. I did mine in the morning. I opened the General 
settings on my phone and selected software update and tapped on Download and 
install. Entered my pass code to verify the update request and let it do its 
thing. Once it was done I entered my pass code again and it was all done. I did 
my wife’s phone last night and did the same thing, once I tapped on download 
and install and entered her pass code it started downloading. I fell asleep and 
woke up about an hour later so I checked it. I had to unlock the phone with the 
pass code again and it was waiting for me to tap the install now button. My 
phone completed the entire process without me having to tap the install now   
button but my wife’s phone took two steps. We both have an 8+ with the same 
memory and the same age. We got them together at the same time. So why would my 
one complete the download and install from start to finish and her one asking 
to install now after downloading it?
Just curious.  
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Re: Seeing Copies of My Email Messages

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Ah, now I don’t see copies of emails to this list from myself but I do on some 
other groups. 

> On 9/06/2020, at 04:49, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Belay this request, please. It appears to work fine on Mac Visionaries. It’s 
> something on my GoogleGroups lists that needs tweaking.
> 
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Re: Asking Siri to play music

[Petrus Tuerlings]

I’ll try that next time, I didn’t play my usual heavy metal at work last night 
as I was orientating someone so I thought I’d be nice to him and play the Bee 
Gees 

> On 29/05/2020, at 19:26, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Say shuffle with your siri request.like
> Hey siri play iron maidan shuffled
>  
>  
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Friday, 29 May 2020 6:36 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Asking Siri to play music
>  
> The one I find amusing is asking it to play a specific Artist or Band. I 
> quite often feel like listening to a particular band but not worried about 
> what album it is so I just ask it to play Iron Maiden, or disturbed or some 
> other band. I have a mix of studio albums and live albums. So it will usually 
> play a studio recorded version of the song followed directly by the live 
> version of the same song. Or the other way round. And it  will do that for 
> every song that has a live version and a studio version.
> 
> 
> On 29/05/2020, at 04:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> There are keywords that help Siri to be more accurate.  Words like “album”, 
> “Playlist”, or just being specific.  So, asking Siri to play Back in Black by 
> AC/DC may have her just play the song, or it might make her play the entire 
> album.  It just depends on how she feels at the moment.  Alternatively, if 
> you specifically ask Siri to “Play the album Back in Black by AC/DC”, then 
> you’re more likely to get the full album.  Guaranteed, if you create a 
> playlist from the album, and ask her to play that specific playlist, then 
> you’ll get what you want.  The oddities really start happening when you ask 
> her to, for example, play the best of Bryan Adams.  If there happens to be an 
> album with the same name, it’s a toss-up whether you’ll get the album, or 
> just whatever Siri, or some other dude thought were the best songs.
>  
> It’s not an exact science, but it’s better than getting up off the couch 
> sometimes.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On May 28, 2020, at 3:48 AM, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Petrus,
>  
> I’ve just tried this with a couple of albums and in different ways,
>  
> Asking siri to play the Joshua tree,
> Siri started playing the album
> Asking to play pink floyds momentary laps of reason
> Started the album playing,
>  
> As did siri play momentary laps of reason without the pink Floyd.
>  
> Hey siri play Back in Black got the song not the album,
>  
> Hey siri play war of the worlds got siri asking which one as she got 5 
> results,
>  
> Including the Jeff wayne war of the world, the new generation
>  
> Not what I thought it would play,
>  
> But when I picked the jeff wayne new generation
> By saying play jeff wayne option,
> I got the 2010  re make of the original jeff wayne war of the worlds but this 
> version has Liam Neason
> Narrating the story,
>  
> This was a stage show in the O2 arrena back in 2010
>  
> It sounds to me like we’re getting mixed results
>  
> I sometimes just say hey siri play music and I get an apple music radio 
> station created from my genres of music
>  
> Just a form of mixes that is created automatically by the apple music system.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Thursday, 28 May 2020 9:00 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Asking Siri to play music
>  
> Hi all,
> Sorry for bringing this up again, but I’ve been playing around with Siri and 
> asking it  to play  music while I was at work. last night I wanted to listen 
> to Ronnie James Dio, this is your Life and Siri told me She couldn’t find it 
> in my music library. So I asked it to play Dio this is your life and it 
> played the title track from the Album but not the entire album. This got me 
> thinking. I remember Anders asking Siri to play British Steel and it told  
> him the same thing. So I think Siri is focusing on individual songs and not 
> Albums.  So this morning I asked Siri to Play the Album Ronnie James Dio this 
> is your life and it played it straight off. Maybe Anders should tr

Re: iPhone X questions.

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Ah, now is this a face mask for covid  19  or Halloween? Or possibly you have a 
new career robbing banks?

> On 28/05/2020, at 22:06, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeah absolutely,
>  
> I ware sunnies all the time and it works with them on
> And my hat when I’m waring it.
>  
> I found it didn’t work with a face mask though.
>  
>  
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Thursday, 28 May 2020 10:31 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone X questions.
>  
> I have an 8+ at the moment, I’m sure my wife and I will get a couple more 
> years out of it. I’m not worried about upgrading to Face ID in the future. I 
> am curious however. Is it smart enough to work out when one is wearing sun 
> glasses or no glasses if one normally wears them and wants to unlock the 
> phone when they haven’t got their glass’s on?
> 
> 
> On 28/05/2020, at 10:21, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> I have an iPhone XS. It took me a day or two to grow used to Face ID. The new 
> gestures used in place of the Home button were straightforward.
> Not surprisingly, performance was vastly better than that of my iPhone 5S, 
> which the 10S replaced.
> On 5/26/20 9:25 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
> Interesting, do you currently own the iPhone X, and if so, could you please 
> give me some pointers on getting started with it?
> 
> 
> On May 26, 2020, at 7:33 PM, Jonathan Cohn  <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> I was just reading a CNet article about  charging today. The general 
> recommendation was to ry and keep your battery between 30-80% charged for 
> maximum battery life. It also mentioned that the quick chargers are designed 
> to push a lot of charge initially and then reduce the charging as the battery 
> gets closer to full. I think they were saying when you don't need the full 
> life of the battery, a 30 minute charge with a quick charger should give you 
> 50% charge.
>  
>Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 26, 2020, at 12:04 PM, Jessica Moss  <mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> I’m looking at possibly upgrading from my iPhone 7+ that I’ve had about 3 
> years, to the iPhone XR, which, to my understanding, has better battery 
> life/camera resolution than the new iPhone SE, which I originally was 
> thinking about getting. For those who have this model, in your opinion, is it 
> better to get a wireless charger for this device, or just have a back up 
> batter charger/juice pack case for it instead?
>  I honestly know nothing about charging a device wirelessly, and it almost 
> sounds like it would actually degrade your battery faster, but would love to 
> hear everyone else’s thoughts.
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Re: Asking Siri to play music

[Petrus Tuerlings]

The one I find amusing is asking it to play a specific Artist or Band. I quite 
often feel like listening to a particular band but not worried about what album 
it is so I just ask it to play Iron Maiden, or disturbed or some other band. I 
have a mix of studio albums and live albums. So it will usually play a studio 
recorded version of the song followed directly by the live version of the same 
song. Or the other way round. And it  will do that for every song that has a 
live version and a studio version.

> On 29/05/2020, at 04:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> There are keywords that help Siri to be more accurate.  Words like “album”, 
> “Playlist”, or just being specific.  So, asking Siri to play Back in Black by 
> AC/DC may have her just play the song, or it might make her play the entire 
> album.  It just depends on how she feels at the moment.  Alternatively, if 
> you specifically ask Siri to “Play the album Back in Black by AC/DC”, then 
> you’re more likely to get the full album.  Guaranteed, if you create a 
> playlist from the album, and ask her to play that specific playlist, then 
> you’ll get what you want.  The oddities really start happening when you ask 
> her to, for example, play the best of Bryan Adams.  If there happens to be an 
> album with the same name, it’s a toss-up whether you’ll get the album, or 
> just whatever Siri, or some other dude thought were the best songs.
> 
> It’s not an exact science, but it’s better than getting up off the couch 
> sometimes.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 28, 2020, at 3:48 AM, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
>  
> I’ve just tried this with a couple of albums and in different ways,
>  
> Asking siri to play the Joshua tree,
> Siri started playing the album
> Asking to play pink floyds momentary laps of reason
> Started the album playing,
>  
> As did siri play momentary laps of reason without the pink Floyd.
>  
> Hey siri play Back in Black got the song not the album,
>  
> Hey siri play war of the worlds got siri asking which one as she got 5 
> results,
>  
> Including the Jeff wayne war of the world, the new generation
>  
> Not what I thought it would play,
>  
> But when I picked the jeff wayne new generation
> By saying play jeff wayne option,
> I got the 2010  re make of the original jeff wayne war of the worlds but this 
> version has Liam Neason
> Narrating the story,
>  
> This was a stage show in the O2 arrena back in 2010
>  
> It sounds to me like we’re getting mixed results
>  
> I sometimes just say hey siri play music and I get an apple music radio 
> station created from my genres of music
>  
> Just a form of mixes that is created automatically by the apple music system.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Thursday, 28 May 2020 9:00 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Asking Siri to play music
>  
> Hi all,
> Sorry for bringing this up again, but I’ve been playing around with Siri and 
> asking it  to play  music while I was at work. last night I wanted to listen 
> to Ronnie James Dio, this is your Life and Siri told me She couldn’t find it 
> in my music library. So I asked it to play Dio this is your life and it 
> played the title track from the Album but not the entire album. This got me 
> thinking. I remember Anders asking Siri to play British Steel and it told  
> him the same thing. So I think Siri is focusing on individual songs and not 
> Albums.  So this morning I asked Siri to Play the Album Ronnie James Dio this 
> is your life and it played it straight off. Maybe Anders should try asking 
> Siri to Play the Album British steel by judas Priest and see if it gets it 
> right. This may not work but I think it’s all in the way you ask Siri 
> sometimes. I tried it on a couple more Albums I have in my Music  Library 
> that hasn’t worked in the past and made sure to start my request to Siri with 
> Play the Album, such and such and it worked every time.   
> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Asking Siri to play music

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Ah, yes it would depend on weather one is subscribed to Apple Music or not as 
well. I’m not subscribed so when I asked it to play Jeff Waynes War of the 
worlds I only got the one result as it is the Album I copied to my music 
library.

> On 28/05/2020, at 21:48, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
>  
> I’ve just tried this with a couple of albums and in different ways,
>  
> Asking siri to play the Joshua tree,
> Siri started playing the album
> Asking to play pink floyds momentary laps of reason
> Started the album playing,
>  
> As did siri play momentary laps of reason without the pink Floyd.
>  
> Hey siri play Back in Black got the song not the album,
>  
> Hey siri play war of the worlds got siri asking which one as she got 5 
> results,
>  
> Including the Jeff wayne war of the world, the new generation
>  
> Not what I thought it would play,
>  
> But when I picked the jeff wayne new generation
> By saying play jeff wayne option,
> I got the 2010  re make of the original jeff wayne war of the worlds but this 
> version has Liam Neason
> Narrating the story,
>  
> This was a stage show in the O2 arrena back in 2010
>  
> It sounds to me like we’re getting mixed results
>  
> I sometimes just say hey siri play music and I get an apple music radio 
> station created from my genres of music
>  
> Just a form of mixes that is created automatically by the apple music system.
>  
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Thursday, 28 May 2020 9:00 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Asking Siri to play music
>  
> Hi all,
> Sorry for bringing this up again, but I’ve been playing around with Siri and 
> asking it  to play  music while I was at work. last night I wanted to listen 
> to Ronnie James Dio, this is your Life and Siri told me She couldn’t find it 
> in my music library. So I asked it to play Dio this is your life and it 
> played the title track from the Album but not the entire album. This got me 
> thinking. I remember Anders asking Siri to play British Steel and it told  
> him the same thing. So I think Siri is focusing on individual songs and not 
> Albums.  So this morning I asked Siri to Play the Album Ronnie James Dio this 
> is your life and it played it straight off. Maybe Anders should try asking 
> Siri to Play the Album British steel by judas Priest and see if it gets it 
> right. This may not work but I think it’s all in the way you ask Siri 
> sometimes. I tried it on a couple more Albums I have in my Music  Library 
> that hasn’t worked in the past and made sure to start my request to Siri with 
> Play the Album, such and such and it worked every time.   
> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: iPhone X questions.

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Thanks, 
Can’t afford an upgrade at the moment but in a couple of years we’ll get the 
latest model with Face ID. Who knows what Apple will come up with by then.

> On 28/05/2020, at 10:37, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Face ID works like a champ. The more you use it, the better it gets. 
> Sunglasses are not a problem. I've even used it with those goofy Aira Horizon 
> glasses. It still works after it gots used to them. Face ID will even work in 
> complete darkness because it emits infrared light.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On May 27, 2020, at 17:30, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> I have an 8+ at the moment, I’m sure my wife and I will get a couple more 
> years out of it. I’m not worried about upgrading to Face ID in the future. I 
> am curious however. Is it smart enough to work out when one is wearing sun 
> glasses or no glasses if one normally wears them and wants to unlock the 
> phone when they haven’t got their glass’s on?
> 
>> On 28/05/2020, at 10:21, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have an iPhone XS. It took me a day or two to grow used to Face ID. The 
>> new gestures used in place of the Home button were straightforward.
>> 
>> Not surprisingly, performance was vastly better than that of my iPhone 5S, 
>> which the 10S replaced.
>> 
>> On 5/26/20 9:25 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>>> Interesting, do you currently own the iPhone X, and if so, could you please 
>>> give me some pointers on getting started with it?
>>> 
>>>> On May 26, 2020, at 7:33 PM, Jonathan Cohn >>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I was just reading a CNet article about  charging today. The general 
>>>> recommendation was to ry and keep your battery between 30-80% charged for 
>>>> maximum battery life. It also mentioned that the quick chargers are 
>>>> designed to push a lot of charge initially and then reduce the charging as 
>>>> the battery gets closer to full. I think they were saying when you don't 
>>>> need the full life of the battery, a 30 minute charge with a quick charger 
>>>> should give you 50% charge.
>>>>  
>>>>Best wishes,
>>>> 
>>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 26, 2020, at 12:04 PM, Jessica Moss >>>> <mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m looking at possibly upgrading from my iPhone 7+ that I’ve had about 3 
>>>>> years, to the iPhone XR, which, to my understanding, has better battery 
>>>>> life/camera resolution than the new iPhone SE, which I originally was 
>>>>> thinking about getting.  For those who have this model, in your opinion, 
>>>>> is it better to get a wireless charger for this device, or just have a 
>>>>> back up batter charger/juice pack case for it instead?
>>>>>  I honestly know nothing about charging a device wirelessly, and it 
>>>>> almost sounds like it would actually degrade your battery faster, but 
>>>>> would love to hear everyone else’s thoughts.
>>>>> 
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Re: iPhone X questions.

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I have an 8+ at the moment, I’m sure my wife and I will get a couple more years 
out of it. I’m not worried about upgrading to Face ID in the future. I am 
curious however. Is it smart enough to work out when one is wearing sun glasses 
or no glasses if one normally wears them and wants to unlock the phone when 
they haven’t got their glass’s on?

> On 28/05/2020, at 10:21, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have an iPhone XS. It took me a day or two to grow used to Face ID. The new 
> gestures used in place of the Home button were straightforward.
> 
> Not surprisingly, performance was vastly better than that of my iPhone 5S, 
> which the 10S replaced.
> 
> On 5/26/20 9:25 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>> Interesting, do you currently own the iPhone X, and if so, could you please 
>> give me some pointers on getting started with it?
>> 
>>> On May 26, 2020, at 7:33 PM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was just reading a CNet article about  charging today. The general 
>>> recommendation was to ry and keep your battery between 30-80% charged for 
>>> maximum battery life. It also mentioned that the quick chargers are 
>>> designed to push a lot of charge initially and then reduce the charging as 
>>> the battery gets closer to full. I think they were saying when you don't 
>>> need the full life of the battery, a 30 minute charge with a quick charger 
>>> should give you 50% charge.
>>>  
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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 I’m looking at possibly upgrading from my iPhone 7+ that I’ve had about 3 
 years, to the iPhone XR, which, to my understanding, has better battery 
 life/camera resolution than the new iPhone SE, which I originally was 
 thinking about getting.  For those who have this model, in your opinion, 
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  I honestly know nothing about charging a device wirelessly, and it almost 
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Re: Getting auto correct to ignore particular words

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Thanks Tim,
I thought I’d give your suggestion a go even before you replied. I wondered 
what would happen if I did VO shift M for the contextual menu and now I know. 
However the Mac already learned the spelling on that word as I typed it and it 
didn’t come up with any corrections this time.  But at least I know for next 
time.
Thanks again,
Petrus 

> On 28/05/2020, at 10:18, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Usually, you can type the word, and if it brings up the suggested 
> corrections, press Escape.  Make sure not to press the space bar or it 
> sometimes just auto-corrects whatever it feels like.  So, once you’ve hit the 
> Escape key, and if you can confirm that it is spelled the way you want it to 
> by arrowing through the word, then use option-shift to highlight the 
> word/name.  Once highlighted, press VO-shift-m to bring up the Contextual 
> menu and tell it to “Learn Spelling”.  That should do it.
> 
> hth.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
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> On May 27, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Sending this directly after my last email to the group as every time I tried 
> to type the word Dio  the auto correct changed it and I had to go back to fix 
> it. This time it just gave me nine suggested corrections. How do I add it to 
> the dictionary so the auto correct will ignore it, as it is an actual name.
> Thanks in advance,
> Petrus
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Getting auto correct to ignore particular words

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Hi all,
Sending this directly after my last email to the group as every time I tried to 
type the word Dio  the auto correct changed it and I had to go back to fix it. 
This time it just gave me nine suggested corrections. How do I add it to the 
dictionary so the auto correct will ignore it, as it is an actual name.
Thanks in advance,
Petrus
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Asking Siri to play music

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Hi all,
Sorry for bringing this up again, but I’ve been playing around with Siri and 
asking it  to play  music while I was at work. last night I wanted to listen to 
Ronnie James Dio, this is your Life and Siri told me She couldn’t find it in my 
music library. So I asked it to play Dio this is your life and it played the 
title track from the Album but not the entire album. This got me thinking. I 
remember Anders asking Siri to play British Steel and it told  him the same 
thing. So I think Siri is focusing on individual songs and not Albums.  So this 
morning I asked Siri to Play the Album Ronnie James Dio this is your life and 
it played it straight off. Maybe Anders should try asking Siri to Play the 
Album British steel by judas Priest and see if it gets it right. This may not 
work but I think it’s all in the way you ask Siri sometimes. I tried it on a 
couple more Albums I have in my Music  Library that hasn’t worked in the past 
and made sure to start my request to Siri with Play the Album, such and such 
and it worked every time.   
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Re: Music shortcut and repeating

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Thanks Tim,
That worked perfectly. This is where my email to Anders ends up on this list 
and I find out I got it wrong.  Hopefully not.

> On 26/05/2020, at 08:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Petrus,
> 
> On the Mac, you can figure out someone’s eMail address by doing the following:
> 
> • navigate to the message.
> • press return on it.
> • VO-left and VO should announce Message Headers.
> • Interact with the Message Headers.
> • VO-right to hear the name of the person.
> • interact with that area.
> • VO-space on the person’s name and a menu should pop-up.
> 
> The first item in that menu is their eMail address.  The second item allows 
> you to copy the eMail address to the clipboard so you can paste it into an 
> eMail.  A few things to note, if VO-space does not bring up the menu, then 
> you may need to interact one more time, or stop interacting one time.  It’s 
> pretty important to be at the right level to bring up the menu.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
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> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> 
> On May 25, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> Thanks, got it all sorted now. I was going to reply to Anders off list with 
> some more song suggestions that are over 10 minutes but haven’t worked out 
> how to find his address yet.
> 
>> On 26/05/2020, at 07:08, Jonathan Cohn > <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> If you used AppleScript to create this shortcut, then there is a “once” 
>> parameter to the “play” method, if you set this to true, it should override 
>> whatever is in the user interface.
>> Of course the JavaScript version of the scripting methods should also accept 
>> this as a parameter, but I haven’t tested especially in a modern system that 
>> has the Music application instead of iTunes.
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 21, 2020, at 9:54 PM, Petrus Tuerlings >> <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have a Siri shortcut set up on my iPhone so I can play a particular track 
>>> from my music collection every morning. I used to say Hey Siri play such 
>>> and such or invoke Siri with the home b button to play the track. It was 
>>> easier then trying to find it in my music collection in the mornings when I 
>>> am half asleep, and I couldn’t get Siri to play it by asking for it as it 
>>> is an Hindi song and Siri had to much trouble understanding me so a 
>>> shortcut was the best solution. However now when I invoke the shortcut it 
>>> will play the track and then repeat it again. This has only happened in the 
>>> last week or so. I can’t remember changing anything in my settings but I 
>>> might have done.
>>> I thought about using the song as an alarm but it is 20 minutes long and 
>>> the alarm stops after 10 minutes.  
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Re: Music shortcut and repeating

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Thanks Tim,
I’ll try that later after I take the dog for her morning walk. I know another 
list I’m on has a reply to sender option link in the email that makes it a bit 
easier. 

> On 26/05/2020, at 08:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> On the Mac, you can figure out someone’s eMail address by doing the following:
> 
> • navigate to the message.
> • press return on it.
> • VO-left and VO should announce Message Headers.
> • Interact with the Message Headers.
> • VO-right to hear the name of the person.
> • interact with that area.
> • VO-space on the person’s name and a menu should pop-up.
> 
> The first item in that menu is their eMail address.  The second item allows 
> you to copy the eMail address to the clipboard so you can paste it into an 
> eMail.  A few things to note, if VO-space does not bring up the menu, then 
> you may need to interact one more time, or stop interacting one time.  It’s 
> pretty important to be at the right level to bring up the menu.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 25, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> Thanks, got it all sorted now. I was going to reply to Anders off list with 
> some more song suggestions that are over 10 minutes but haven’t worked out 
> how to find his address yet.
> 
>> On 26/05/2020, at 07:08, Jonathan Cohn > <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> If you used AppleScript to create this shortcut, then there is a “once” 
>> parameter to the “play” method, if you set this to true, it should override 
>> whatever is in the user interface.
>> Of course the JavaScript version of the scripting methods should also accept 
>> this as a parameter, but I haven’t tested especially in a modern system that 
>> has the Music application instead of iTunes.
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 21, 2020, at 9:54 PM, Petrus Tuerlings >> <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have a Siri shortcut set up on my iPhone so I can play a particular track 
>>> from my music collection every morning. I used to say Hey Siri play such 
>>> and such or invoke Siri with the home b button to play the track. It was 
>>> easier then trying to find it in my music collection in the mornings when I 
>>> am half asleep, and I couldn’t get Siri to play it by asking for it as it 
>>> is an Hindi song and Siri had to much trouble understanding me so a 
>>> shortcut was the best solution. However now when I invoke the shortcut it 
>>> will play the track and then repeat it again. This has only happened in the 
>>> last week or so. I can’t remember changing anything in my settings but I 
>>> might have done.
>>> I thought about using the song as an alarm but it is 20 minutes long and 
>>> the alarm stops after 10 minutes.  
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Re: Music shortcut and repeating

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Hi Jonathan,
Thanks, got it all sorted now. I was going to reply to Anders off list with 
some more song suggestions that are over 10 minutes but haven’t worked out how 
to find his address yet.

> On 26/05/2020, at 07:08, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> If you used AppleScript to create this shortcut, then there is a “once” 
> parameter to the “play” method, if you set this to true, it should override 
> whatever is in the user interface.
> Of course the JavaScript version of the scripting methods should also accept 
> this as a parameter, but I haven’t tested especially in a modern system that 
> has the Music application instead of iTunes.
> Jonathan
> 
> 
>> On May 21, 2020, at 9:54 PM, Petrus Tuerlings > <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I have a Siri shortcut set up on my iPhone so I can play a particular track 
>> from my music collection every morning. I used to say Hey Siri play such and 
>> such or invoke Siri with the home b button to play the track. It was easier 
>> then trying to find it in my music collection in the mornings when I am half 
>> asleep, and I couldn’t get Siri to play it by asking for it as it is an 
>> Hindi song and Siri had to much trouble understanding me so a shortcut was 
>> the best solution. However now when I invoke the shortcut it will play the 
>> track and then repeat it again. This has only happened in the last week or 
>> so. I can’t remember changing anything in my settings but I might have done.
>> I thought about using the song as an alarm but it is 20 minutes long and the 
>> alarm stops after 10 minutes.  
>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: How do I check the time on the mac?

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Hi Anne,
What’s the best way to find all of the other commands one can do with the 
keyboard commander turned on? Now that my brain has court up with the rest of 
you and I’ve worked out that I was being an idiot as I was getting the trackpad 
commander confused with the keyboard commander so now I can check the time with 
the right option key and the letter T, no wonder it wasn’t working for me 
before. 

> On 23/05/2020, at 01:46, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Shirley,
> 
> With the keyboard commander turned on, Option-t gives you the time. In 
> VoiceOver Utility, in the Commanders category, you can choose whether to use 
> the right or left Option key. However, on a laptop, the only sensible choice 
> is the righthand Option key since there is no Control key on that side so the 
> Option key can’t really be used for the VoiceOver keys.
> VO-Shift-k toggles the keyboard commander on and off.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 22 May 2020, at 15:29, Shirley Healy  wrote:
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>> i am looking to know how i check what time it is on my mac? what is the 
>> command to do this?
>> shirley
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Re: Music shortcut and repeating

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I managed to fix the repeating problem. Not sure how I managed to turn it on, 
but once I worked out how to expand the mini player in my music app I found 
that the repeat button was set to all. I double tapped it and it then said 
repeat once, so I double tapped it one more time and it said off. I knew there 
was a repeat button but couldn’t remember how to find it.

> On 23/05/2020, at 18:11, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Now that’s something I hadn’t thought of waking up to.
>  
> The iron maidan that is.
>  
> Classical music I don’t have a lot of
>  I might have to change my alarm music.
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On 
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>  
> Well Rime of the ancient Mariner by Iron Maiden  is 15 minutes long and there 
> are loads of classical tracks out there that are 20 minutes or longer.
> 
> 
> On 22/05/2020, at 22:07, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> What track is 20 minutes long?
>  
> Stair way to heaven is only 10 or so,
>  
> I’m guessing you have looked at the short cut to see if anything has changed?
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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> Subject: Music shortcut and repeating
>  
> Hi all,
> I have a Siri shortcut set up on my iPhone so I can play a particular track 
> from my music collection every morning. I used to say Hey Siri play such and 
> such or invoke Siri with the home b button to play the track. It was easier 
> then trying to find it in my music collection in the mornings when I am half 
> asleep, and I couldn’t get Siri to play it by asking for it as it is an Hindi 
> song and Siri had to much trouble understanding me so a shortcut was the best 
> solution. However now when I invoke the shortcut it will play the track and 
> then repeat it again. This has only happened in the last week or so. I can’t 
> remember changing anything in my settings but I might have done.
> I thought about using the song as an alarm but it is 20 minutes long and the 
> alarm stops after 10 minutes.  
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Re: install catalina or not?

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Yes, if you have any 32 bit apps that you don’t want to lose then your best not 
upgrading. Unless there are 64 bit versions available.

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On 23/05/2020, at 19:51, gerry cook  wrote:

well hi its to do with apps that are 64 bit instead of 32 bit so i’ve heard.  
its your choice. 

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> hello. I would like to know if I should install Catalina or stay with high 
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Re: Convirtió MP3 files

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Yes, if that is the format that the books App uses then I’m looking to convert 
my MP3  books. I have quite a few and I’d like to work out how to do it myself. 
Thanks for the offer, but I’m happy to email you off list with some of the 
titles in case you’re interested in reading them. 

> On 22/05/2020, at 21:55, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Petrus,
>  
> How many books do you have and are you looking to convert them to m4b file 
> types?
>  
> I have windows machines with itunes which will convert mp3 to the m4b formats.
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On 
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> Subject: Re: Convirtió MP3 files 
>  
> Thanks, I’ll check with the boss first before I buy it as she is the holder 
> of the finances in our family sharing account. 
> 
> 
> On 22/05/2020, at 11:25, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Yes, I’m pretty sure that I did pay $9.99 CAD as well.  They may have made it 
> available in the App Store now for easier visibility.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On May 21, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Did you pay for it? As the one in the App Store was $9.99 NZ. I tried doing a 
> google search in Safari but I get totally lost trying to use Safari so gave 
> up.
> 
> 
> On 22/05/2020, at 11:16, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
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> Hi,
>  
> I expect that it’s probably the same one.  Can’t see that someone else would 
> be able to use the exact same name for an app.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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>  
> On May 21, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> I’ll look for it. I did find one in the App Store called audio book builder 2 
>  but not sure if that was the same one.
> 
> 
> On 22/05/2020, at 11:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Hi Petrus,
>  
> I use AudioBook builder.  It is totally accessible.  There are others out 
> there, that’s just the one that I chose to use.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On May 21, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Hi all,
> I know this subject has come up on this list before and not so long ago. But 
> I Wasn’t really paying attention. I know there is an App for  converting MP3 
> files in to the format that the Books App uses on the Mac and iPhone. I’ve 
> got lots of MP3 audio books on my external hard drive that I’d like to 
> convert and import into my books app. Instructions off list on how to use it 
> would be nice as well if one has the time. 
> Thanks in advance,
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Re: How do I check the time on the mac?

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You can also do VO+MM  brings up the menu extras and you can check the time and 
battery level and other things there.

> On 23/05/2020, at 04:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I am not a big Keyboard Commander user, but I have found that it is not a 
> problem using the right Option key on my MacBook Pro keyboard.  It works just 
> as it does on my Mac mini with a full sized keyboard.
> 
> BTW - the correct Keyboard Commander command for checking the time is OPT + 
> T, not OPT by itself.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
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> Hello Shirley,
> 
> With the keyboard commander turned on, Option-t gives you the time. In 
> VoiceOver Utility, in the Commanders category, you can choose whether to use 
> the right or left Option key. However, on a laptop, the only sensible choice 
> is the righthand Option key since there is no Control key on that side so the 
> Option key can’t really be used for the VoiceOver keys.
> VO-Shift-k toggles the keyboard commander on and off.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 22 May 2020, at 15:29, Shirley Healy > > wrote:
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>> i am looking to know how i check what time it is on my mac? what is the 
>> command to do this?
>> shirley
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Re: unintended freezing of iPhone

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Did you install any new Apps around the time this started happening?Have you 
updated too 13.5 yet as this might help as well?

> On 23/05/2020, at 03:40, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I don’t know when it startet but I guess it must have started one or two 
> weeks ago. My iPhone 11 Pro suddenly freezes from time to time for ruffly 5 
> to 10 seconds. After that period of time it works normal again. I restarted 
> the iPhone but no change.
> 
> Has anyone experienced this as well? Is there a way to check the iPhone 
> technically to find out if something is broken inside?
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> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
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Re: Music shortcut and repeating

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Well Rime of the ancient Mariner by Iron Maiden  is 15 minutes long and there 
are loads of classical tracks out there that are 20 minutes or longer.

> On 22/05/2020, at 22:07, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> What track is 20 minutes long?
>  
> Stair way to heaven is only 10 or so,
>  
> I’m guessing you have looked at the short cut to see if anything has changed?
>  
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>  
> Hi all,
> I have a Siri shortcut set up on my iPhone so I can play a particular track 
> from my music collection every morning. I used to say Hey Siri play such and 
> such or invoke Siri with the home b button to play the track. It was easier 
> then trying to find it in my music collection in the mornings when I am half 
> asleep, and I couldn’t get Siri to play it by asking for it as it is an Hindi 
> song and Siri had to much trouble understanding me so a shortcut was the best 
> solution. However now when I invoke the shortcut it will play the track and 
> then repeat it again. This has only happened in the last week or so. I can’t 
> remember changing anything in my settings but I might have done.
> I thought about using the song as an alarm but it is 20 minutes long and the 
> alarm stops after 10 minutes.  
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Music shortcut and repeating

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Hi all,
I have a Siri shortcut set up on my iPhone so I can play a particular track 
from my music collection every morning. I used to say Hey Siri play such and 
such or invoke Siri with the home b button to play the track. It was easier 
then trying to find it in my music collection in the mornings when I am half 
asleep, and I couldn’t get Siri to play it by asking for it as it is an Hindi 
song and Siri had to much trouble understanding me so a shortcut was the best 
solution. However now when I invoke the shortcut it will play the track and 
then repeat it again. This has only happened in the last week or so. I can’t 
remember changing anything in my settings but I might have done.
I thought about using the song as an alarm but it is 20 minutes long and the 
alarm stops after 10 minutes.  
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Re: Convirtió MP3 files

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Thanks, I’ll check with the boss first before I buy it as she is the holder of 
the finances in our family sharing account. 

> On 22/05/2020, at 11:25, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, I’m pretty sure that I did pay $9.99 CAD as well.  They may have made it 
> available in the App Store now for easier visibility.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> 
> On May 21, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Did you pay for it? As the one in the App Store was $9.99 NZ. I tried doing a 
> google search in Safari but I get totally lost trying to use Safari so gave 
> up.
> 
>> On 22/05/2020, at 11:16, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I expect that it’s probably the same one.  Can’t see that someone else would 
>> be able to use the exact same name for an app.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On May 21, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Petrus Tuerlings > <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ll look for it. I did find one in the App Store called audio book builder 
>> 2  but not sure if that was the same one.
>> 
>>> On 22/05/2020, at 11:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Petrus,
>>> 
>>> I use AudioBook builder.  It is totally accessible.  There are others out 
>>> there, that’s just the one that I chose to use.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On May 21, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Petrus Tuerlings >> <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I know this subject has come up on this list before and not so long ago. 
>>> But I Wasn’t really paying attention. I know there is an App for  
>>> converting MP3 files in to the format that the Books App uses on the Mac 
>>> and iPhone. I’ve got lots of MP3 audio books on my external hard drive that 
>>> I’d like to convert and import into my books app. Instructions off list on 
>>> how to use it would be nice as well if one has the time. 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Petrus 
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Re: Convirtió MP3 files

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Did you pay for it? As the one in the App Store was $9.99 NZ. I tried doing a 
google search in Safari but I get totally lost trying to use Safari so gave up.

> On 22/05/2020, at 11:16, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I expect that it’s probably the same one.  Can’t see that someone else would 
> be able to use the exact same name for an app.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 21, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> I’ll look for it. I did find one in the App Store called audio book builder 2 
>  but not sure if that was the same one.
> 
>> On 22/05/2020, at 11:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Petrus,
>> 
>> I use AudioBook builder.  It is totally accessible.  There are others out 
>> there, that’s just the one that I chose to use.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On May 21, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Petrus Tuerlings > <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I know this subject has come up on this list before and not so long ago. But 
>> I Wasn’t really paying attention. I know there is an App for  converting MP3 
>> files in to the format that the Books App uses on the Mac and iPhone. I’ve 
>> got lots of MP3 audio books on my external hard drive that I’d like to 
>> convert and import into my books app. Instructions off list on how to use it 
>> would be nice as well if one has the time. 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Petrus 
>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Convirtió MP3 files

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I’ll look for it. I did find one in the App Store called audio book builder 2  
but not sure if that was the same one.

> On 22/05/2020, at 11:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Petrus,
> 
> I use AudioBook builder.  It is totally accessible.  There are others out 
> there, that’s just the one that I chose to use.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 21, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I know this subject has come up on this list before and not so long ago. But 
> I Wasn’t really paying attention. I know there is an App for  converting MP3 
> files in to the format that the Books App uses on the Mac and iPhone. I’ve 
> got lots of MP3 audio books on my external hard drive that I’d like to 
> convert and import into my books app. Instructions off list on how to use it 
> would be nice as well if one has the time. 
> Thanks in advance,
> Petrus 
> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Convirtió MP3 files

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Hi Tim,
Is that in the App Store or Does one need to go to a web-site for it?
Not sure how that typo happened in the subject line as I’m sure it was correct 
before I sent it. 

> On 22/05/2020, at 11:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> I use AudioBook builder.  It is totally accessible.  There are others out 
> there, that’s just the one that I chose to use.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 21, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I know this subject has come up on this list before and not so long ago. But 
> I Wasn’t really paying attention. I know there is an App for  converting MP3 
> files in to the format that the Books App uses on the Mac and iPhone. I’ve 
> got lots of MP3 audio books on my external hard drive that I’d like to 
> convert and import into my books app. Instructions off list on how to use it 
> would be nice as well if one has the time. 
> Thanks in advance,
> Petrus 
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Convirtió MP3 files

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Hi all,
I know this subject has come up on this list before and not so long ago. But I 
Wasn’t really paying attention. I know there is an App for  converting MP3 
files in to the format that the Books App uses on the Mac and iPhone. I’ve got 
lots of MP3 audio books on my external hard drive that I’d like to convert and 
import into my books app. Instructions off list on how to use it would be nice 
as well if one has the time. 
Thanks in advance,
Petrus 
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Re: How do I use the new COVID-19 tracking feature in IOS 13.5?

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Hi Tim,
I found it under settings, privacy, and bluetooth as well. We have a covid 
tracing app in New Zealand that was released yesterday but it hasn’t got 
bluetooth capability yet. We have been told that it is coming in future 
updates. 

> On 22/05/2020, at 07:53, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Go to Settings, Privacy, Health.  Sorry, forgot to mention the Health part of 
> the equation.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 21, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> You got further than I did, I can't find anything in my Privacy settings 
> about the app.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 21, 2020, at 10:48 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The Learn More dialog doesn't really tell you much. It just talks about how 
>> exposure notification works. It doesn't say anything about what specific 
>> apps you need to install to use the feature. Under the Active App choice: I 
>> see no apps installed. So clearly Apple's COVID app is not an option. this 
>> is really a bust.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 21, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If you go in to Settings, Privacy, you can see the COVID-19 setting. When 
>>> inside this setting there is a Learn More button. It seems that there are 
>>> certain apps that you can allow access of the COVID-19 tracking system too. 
>>> It’s not available in my region, so I’m not totally familiar with the 
>>> details of how it works.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 21, 2020, at 8:21 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I just installed IOS 13.5 so I could use the COVID-19 tracking feature. 
 Problem is, when I go into settings and enable COVID tracking, it tells me 
 that it can't be enabled because I don't have a necessary app installed. 
 So, I went to the app store and downloaded the Apple COVID-19 app. I 
 installed it, and answered the questions, but I'm still getting the 
 message that COVID tracking in settings cannot be enabled. Does anyone 
 know what I need to do to utilize this feature? This is really a big miss 
 by Apple. If they expect people to use this, they needed to let us know 
 what we need to do.
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Re: Burning CDs and cats

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No need to say sorry, I laughed as well, although I didn’t have to burn the cat 
as she didn’t do any harm in the end.

> On 22/05/2020, at 01:41, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, that was funny and I laughed.
> 
>> On 21 May 2020, at 09:33, Simon A Fogarty > <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Did you ask the cat what she did?
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Burning CDs and cats
>>  
>> Hi all,
>> Excuse the rather odd subject of this email, but all will be explained.
>> I was burning a MP3  audio book collection on to a writable DVD for my work 
>> colleague and walked away for a moment. I had a nice little progress 
>> indicator up on the screen telling me the progress. I’m not sure what this 
>> looks like visually but one of my cats thought it looked pretty cool and let 
>> on to my keyboard while I was away. I heard voice over saying something 
>> while I was at the other end of the house so came back to check as the burn 
>> was only about half way through. The cat jumped off the keyboard as I came 
>> back in to the room but she managed to get rid of the progress indicator, 
>> lucky she didn’t stop the burning process. I had no idea how to bring the 
>> progress indicator back  up on the screen? How does one do this? I know I 
>> could have asked this question without the cat detail, but I thought it was 
>> pretty funny. Especially the little blurb noise she made as she ran away 
>> knowing she did something wrong. I wasn’t sure if I could put the. Lid down 
>> on the MacBook while burning a CD? Or I would have done it as the cat does 
>> enjoy the flashing lights and colours on the screen.
>> Thanks,
>> Petrus  
>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Burning CDs and cats

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Thanks Brad,
I’ll keep that in mind if it happens again. The burning process finished 
without a hitch. 

> On 21/05/2020, at 12:31, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> You can try CMD + Accent.  I suspect that your cat put its foot on the 
> trackpad which caused the main Finder window to become active, and the small 
> window with the progress bar to be hidden behind the active window.
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 20, 2020, at 18:19, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Excuse the rather odd subject of this email, but all will be explained.
> I was burning a MP3  audio book collection on to a writable DVD for my work 
> colleague and walked away for a moment. I had a nice little progress 
> indicator up on the screen telling me the progress. I’m not sure what this 
> looks like visually but one of my cats thought it looked pretty cool and let 
> on to my keyboard while I was away. I heard voice over saying something while 
> I was at the other end of the house so came back to check as the burn was 
> only about half way through. The cat jumped off the keyboard as I came back 
> in to the room but she managed to get rid of the progress indicator, lucky 
> she didn’t stop the burning process. I had no idea how to bring the progress 
> indicator back  up on the screen? How does one do this? I know I could have 
> asked this question without the cat detail, but I thought it was pretty 
> funny. Especially the little blurb noise she made as she ran away knowing she 
> did something wrong. I wasn’t sure if I could put the. Lid down on the 
> MacBook while burning a CD? Or I would have done it as the cat does enjoy the 
> flashing lights and colours on the screen.
> Thanks,
> Petrus  
> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Burning CDs and cats

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi all,
Excuse the rather odd subject of this email, but all will be explained.
I was burning a MP3  audio book collection on to a writable DVD for my work 
colleague and walked away for a moment. I had a nice little progress indicator 
up on the screen telling me the progress. I’m not sure what this looks like 
visually but one of my cats thought it looked pretty cool and let on to my 
keyboard while I was away. I heard voice over saying something while I was at 
the other end of the house so came back to check as the burn was only about 
half way through. The cat jumped off the keyboard as I came back in to the room 
but she managed to get rid of the progress indicator, lucky she didn’t stop the 
burning process. I had no idea how to bring the progress indicator back  up on 
the screen? How does one do this? I know I could have asked this question 
without the cat detail, but I thought it was pretty funny. Especially the 
little blurb noise she made as she ran away knowing she did something wrong. I 
wasn’t sure if I could put the. Lid down on the MacBook while burning a CD? Or 
I would have done it as the cat does enjoy the flashing lights and colours on 
the screen.
Thanks,
Petrus  
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Re: What's App on the Mac.

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Well I’ve found it in the Mac App Store but never installed it as I wasn’t sure 
which one to install, as there seemed to be a few with similar names. So I’d be 
interested in an answer to this as well.

> On 19/05/2020, at 08:55, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Has anyone used What’s App on the Mac, does one exist?  Sometimes it would be 
> useful to send and reply to messages using my Mac like I can use the I phone 
> for I Messages as I use What’s App as well.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: Blutooth connectivity and VoiceOver in the car

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Come to think of it, I haven’t really tried since iOS 13 came out so I might 
have to give it another go. Actually I’ll just turn on Voiceover on my wife’s 
phone next time we get into the car to see what happens. 

> On 18/05/2020, at 12:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> As I mentioned in the other thread, we have the 2019 RAV4 Hybrid, and VO 
> voice will remain going through the iPhone and the music and audio book 
> stream will go through the vehicle audio system.  I believe that it is normal 
> to work this way.  Similar to when connecting your iPhone to a Bluetooth 
> speaker in your house, VO usually remains attached to the iPhone and the rest 
> goes out the Bluetooth speaker.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 17, 2020, at 6:24 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Ours is a 2018, not sure if anything has changed in the newer model  but I 
> lose VoiceOver  with bluetooth as well. Unless there is something in the 
> audio settings in the car we can change. But not really that bothered as my 
> wife doesn’t like music or audio books while she is driving as it is too 
> distracting. We’ve done it a few times but she prefers silence. 
> 
>> On 18/05/2020, at 11:55, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> My son has a 2014 Rav 4. I can connect my iPhone to his car using Bluetooth, 
>> and voiceover continues to work normally. You might give this a try.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On May 17, 2020, at 15:26, Petrus Tuerlings > <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, we only have the one USB port on the dash next to the stereo unit. 
>> Unfortunately our Toyota RAV4 does not have Apple car play so I lose 
>> Voiceover as soon as I connect my phone to the car. I can’t even seem to get 
>> VoiceOver to come through the car speakers, but I’m guessing Apple car play 
>> would allow voiceover through the phone while   connected. 
>> 
>>> On 18/05/2020, at 03:51, Bradford Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That would be nice.
>>> We have a 2012 Subaru Outback with only one USB port, which is located in 
>>> the center console compartment.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 17, 2020, at 10:24, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Also, note that not all USB ports specifically connect to the audio system 
>>> in a vehicle.  We have at least five in our machine, and only the one in 
>>> the little cubby thing under the main controls area is actually connected 
>>> to the audio system.  The rest are simply charging ports.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On May 17, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, I think it makes a lot of sense to have a USB port in the 
>>> compartment of the center console.  You can connect a device such as an MP3 
>>> or other player which can be kept in the console, and then controlled by 
>>> the car’s radio.  Much better than plugging the MP3 player into the car 
>>> radio itself and having the wire and the player in the way.  I think this 
>>> is well thought out. 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 17, 2020, at 05:33, Simon A Fogarty >> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Makes a lot of sense,
>>>  
>>> Ask her to look in the centre console and see if there is a USB port in 
>>> there,
>>>  
>>> Strangest place I’ve ever heard of putting a usb port but car manufacturers 
>>> do some dum shit.
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
>>> Sent: Sunday, 17 May 2020 1:58 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Writible CDs and DVDs
>>>  
>>> Absolutely’, met wife and I use bluetooth and our phones

Blutooth connectivity and VoiceOver in the car

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Ours is a 2018, not sure if anything has changed in the newer model  but I lose 
VoiceOver  with bluetooth as well. Unless there is something in the audio 
settings in the car we can change. But not really that bothered as my wife 
doesn’t like music or audio books while she is driving as it is too 
distracting. We’ve done it a few times but she prefers silence. 

> On 18/05/2020, at 11:55, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> My son has a 2014 Rav 4. I can connect my iPhone to his car using Bluetooth, 
> and voiceover continues to work normally. You might give this a try.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On May 17, 2020, at 15:26, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> Yes, we only have the one USB port on the dash next to the stereo unit. 
> Unfortunately our Toyota RAV4 does not have Apple car play so I lose 
> Voiceover as soon as I connect my phone to the car. I can’t even seem to get 
> VoiceOver to come through the car speakers, but I’m guessing Apple car play 
> would allow voiceover through the phone while   connected. 
> 
>> On 18/05/2020, at 03:51, Bradford Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> That would be nice.
>> We have a 2012 Subaru Outback with only one USB port, which is located in 
>> the center console compartment.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 17, 2020, at 10:24, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Also, note that not all USB ports specifically connect to the audio system 
>> in a vehicle.  We have at least five in our machine, and only the one in the 
>> little cubby thing under the main controls area is actually connected to the 
>> audio system.  The rest are simply charging ports.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On May 17, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, I think it makes a lot of sense to have a USB port in the 
>> compartment of the center console.  You can connect a device such as an MP3 
>> or other player which can be kept in the console, and then controlled by the 
>> car’s radio.  Much better than plugging the MP3 player into the car radio 
>> itself and having the wire and the player in the way.  I think this is well 
>> thought out. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 17, 2020, at 05:33, Simon A Fogarty > <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Makes a lot of sense,
>>  
>> Ask her to look in the centre console and see if there is a USB port in 
>> there,
>>  
>> Strangest place I’ve ever heard of putting a usb port but car manufacturers 
>> do some dum shit.
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
>> Sent: Sunday, 17 May 2020 1:58 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Writible CDs and DVDs
>>  
>> Absolutely’, met wife and I use bluetooth and our phones in the car, but as 
>> I’m burning these CDs for a work colleague of mine and she doesn’t think she 
>> has bluetooth or USB in her car I figured CDs were the way to go. She might 
>> have Bluetooth but as she parks about a 1klm away from work so she can get 
>> exercise walking to work I can’t really check her car.  
>> 
>> 
>> On 15/05/2020, at 20:01, Simon A Fogarty > <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Petrus,
>>  
>> I wasn’t sure if you were burning them as mp3 or audio cd’s
>> But yes the mp3 will be fine if the car plays it,
>>  
>> Of course I don’t need to point out that if your car has Bluetooth or an 
>> input jack or even usb you could put the books on your phone or your wifes 
>> and they can play from there.
>>  
>> A lot more books on the phone and less cd’s in the car.
>>  
>> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
>> Sent: Friday, 15 May 2020 8:00 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Writible CDs and DVDs
>>  
>> Hi Simon,
>> I think you missed my original email where I said I was burning MP3  
>> formatted audio books. So the play time is d

Re: Writible CDs and DVDs

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Yes, we only have the one USB port on the dash next to the stereo unit. 
Unfortunately our Toyota RAV4 does not have Apple car play so I lose Voiceover 
as soon as I connect my phone to the car. I can’t even seem to get VoiceOver to 
come through the car speakers, but I’m guessing Apple car play would allow 
voiceover through the phone while   connected. 

> On 18/05/2020, at 03:51, Bradford Snyder  wrote:
> 
> That would be nice.
> We have a 2012 Subaru Outback with only one USB port, which is located in the 
> center console compartment.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On May 17, 2020, at 10:24, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Also, note that not all USB ports specifically connect to the audio system in 
> a vehicle.  We have at least five in our machine, and only the one in the 
> little cubby thing under the main controls area is actually connected to the 
> audio system.  The rest are simply charging ports.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 17, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Brad Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> Actually, I think it makes a lot of sense to have a USB port in the 
> compartment of the center console.  You can connect a device such as an MP3 
> or other player which can be kept in the console, and then controlled by the 
> car’s radio.  Much better than plugging the MP3 player into the car radio 
> itself and having the wire and the player in the way.  I think this is well 
> thought out. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 17, 2020, at 05:33, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> 
> Makes a lot of sense,
>  
> Ask her to look in the centre console and see if there is a USB port in there,
>  
> Strangest place I’ve ever heard of putting a usb port but car manufacturers 
> do some dum shit.
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Sunday, 17 May 2020 1:58 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Writible CDs and DVDs
>  
> Absolutely’, met wife and I use bluetooth and our phones in the car, but as 
> I’m burning these CDs for a work colleague of mine and she doesn’t think she 
> has bluetooth or USB in her car I figured CDs were the way to go. She might 
> have Bluetooth but as she parks about a 1klm away from work so she can get 
> exercise walking to work I can’t really check her car.  
> 
> 
> On 15/05/2020, at 20:01, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Petrus,
>  
> I wasn’t sure if you were burning them as mp3 or audio cd’s
> But yes the mp3 will be fine if the car plays it,
>  
> Of course I don’t need to point out that if your car has Bluetooth or an 
> input jack or even usb you could put the books on your phone or your wifes 
> and they can play from there.
>  
> A lot more books on the phone and less cd’s in the car.
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Friday, 15 May 2020 8:00 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Writible CDs and DVDs
>  
> Hi Simon,
> I think you missed my original email where I said I was burning MP3  
> formatted audio books. So the play time is definitely more then 80minutes. I 
> know the CD player in her car can play MP3 format. In fact the CD I burned 
> the other day equates to about 18 hours play time. One thing, burning MP3  
> files on to a blank CD with the Mac is way easier then on my old windows 
> machine. It took me about five minutes to work out how to do it. 
> 
> 
> 
> On 14/05/2020, at 18:35, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Petrus,
>  
> Yes you can also get DVDs that hold approximately 8.5GB
>  
> Dual layer dvd.
>  
> However if you are wanting to play these books as audio then it’s not the cd 
> capacity but the playing time.
>  
> The cd size worked to I think from memory the 650MB cd was 80 minutes approx. 
> playing time,
>  
> So depending on which way you  want to play the files  might be worth looking 
> at the way you wish to write the data to the disks and dvd’s don’t always 
> play in optical drive players.
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> &

Re: Writible CDs and DVDs

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Absolutely’, met wife and I use bluetooth and our phones in the car, but as I’m 
burning these CDs for a work colleague of mine and she doesn’t think she has 
bluetooth or USB in her car I figured CDs were the way to go. She might have 
Bluetooth but as she parks about a 1klm away from work so she can get exercise 
walking to work I can’t really check her car.  

> On 15/05/2020, at 20:01, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
>  
> I wasn’t sure if you were burning them as mp3 or audio cd’s
> But yes the mp3 will be fine if the car plays it,
>  
> Of course I don’t need to point out that if your car has Bluetooth or an 
> input jack or even usb you could put the books on your phone or your wifes 
> and they can play from there.
>  
> A lot more books on the phone and less cd’s in the car.
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Friday, 15 May 2020 8:00 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Writible CDs and DVDs
>  
> Hi Simon,
> I think you missed my original email where I said I was burning MP3  
> formatted audio books. So the play time is definitely more then 80minutes. I 
> know the CD player in her car can play MP3 format. In fact the CD I burned 
> the other day equates to about 18 hours play time. One thing, burning MP3  
> files on to a blank CD with the Mac is way easier then on my old windows 
> machine. It took me about five minutes to work out how to do it. 
> 
> 
> On 14/05/2020, at 18:35, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Petrus,
>  
> Yes you can also get DVDs that hold approximately 8.5GB
>  
> Dual layer dvd.
>  
> However if you are wanting to play these books as audio then it’s not the cd 
> capacity but the playing time.
>  
> The cd size worked to I think from memory the 650MB cd was 80 minutes approx. 
> playing time,
>  
> So depending on which way you  want to play the files  might be worth looking 
> at the way you wish to write the data to the disks and dvd’s don’t always 
> play in optical drive players.
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2020 9:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Writible CDs and DVDs
>  
> Thanks Tim,
> It tells me that has 6148 bites and if my brain is working correctly which 
> isn’t a guarantee I make that  6.1MB? I’m pretty sure I can buy blank DVDs 
> that can take about 4.6GB  so I’ll look online to order some of those. I was 
> hoping they would be available in the Apple store but I think blank DVDs are 
> to old technology for apple to worry about.  
> 
> 
> 
> On 14/05/2020, at 07:04, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> On a Mac, if you insert the CD into your drive, it should show up on the 
> Desktop as an ejectable item.  Either open the Untitled CD and check in the 
> Status bar for the amount of remaining space (you may need to press cmd-slash 
> to make the Status bar visible), or press cmd-i to Get Info on the CD and the 
> available space will be listed.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
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Re: commands for navigating the web

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Well done for giving Safari a go, I just can’t get my head around it but I will 
teach myself one day. I tend to use Safari on the iPhone as I find this much 
easier. Oh, and I haven’t got a windows computer so can’t use that for the net.
I know one has to interact with safari  when doing things and maybe that is 
where I’m getting confused.

> On 17/05/2020, at 08:55, Shirley Healy  wrote:
> 
> Lol Brad! I loved your end line! I will check out the vo help then! Thanks!
> shirley
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Brad Snyder 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 3:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: commands for navigating the web
>> 
>> Actually, the correct command for navigating by headings is VO + CMD + H..  
>> Navigate by links using VO + CMD + L..
>> You can add the SHIFT key to navigate in reverse order.
>> You can turn on Keyboard Help using VO + K, and then using VO + CMD press 
>> various letters and learn what they do while navigating the web using Safari.
>> You can also turn on QuickNav, and then turn on single key navigation using 
>> VO + Q to navigate using single keys.
>> With QuickNav turned on, you can use numbers to navigate by heading levels.
>> 
>> Check out VO Help for much more information on accessing the web using 
>> Safari and VoiceOver.
>> I much prefer navigating the web on a Mac with VoiceOver than doing so on 
>> Windows using JAWS, but I realize that on this list, I am preaching to the 
>> choir.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 16, 2020, at 05:07, Raymond Foret Jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> Can’t give you all of them but here are some.
>> 
>> Navigate heading by heading, use Vo+H.
>> Click on a link, use VO+space.
>> 
>> Navigate to next text area, N.
>> 
>> For many more commands, use VO+K and in the keyboard help mode, use VO plus 
>> various letter keys to discover what they let you do.  
>> Get out of keyboard help by pressing escape.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>> blind:
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>> 
>>> On May 16, 2020, at 3:44 AM, Shirley Healy >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> how do I navigate the web ona mac? what are the most useful commands, for 
>>> reading the text of websites, going to a link, like moving to it, and is 
>>> the rotar better to use than just navigating the site without it? if so how 
>>> do you turn it on?
>>> shirley
>>> 
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Re: Writible CDs and DVDs

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi Simon,
I think you missed my original email where I said I was burning MP3  formatted 
audio books. So the play time is definitely more then 80minutes. I know the CD 
player in her car can play MP3 format. In fact the CD I burned the other day 
equates to about 18 hours play time. One thing, burning MP3  files on to a 
blank CD with the Mac is way easier then on my old windows machine. It took me 
about five minutes to work out how to do it. 

> On 14/05/2020, at 18:35, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
>  
> Yes you can also get DVDs that hold approximately 8.5GB
>  
> Dual layer dvd.
>  
> However if you are wanting to play these books as audio then it’s not the cd 
> capacity but the playing time.
>  
> The cd size worked to I think from memory the 650MB cd was 80 minutes approx. 
> playing time,
>  
> So depending on which way you  want to play the files  might be worth looking 
> at the way you wish to write the data to the disks and dvd’s don’t always 
> play in optical drive players.
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2020 9:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Writible CDs and DVDs
>  
> Thanks Tim,
> It tells me that has 6148 bites and if my brain is working correctly which 
> isn’t a guarantee I make that  6.1MB? I’m pretty sure I can buy blank DVDs 
> that can take about 4.6GB  so I’ll look online to order some of those. I was 
> hoping they would be available in the Apple store but I think blank DVDs are 
> to old technology for apple to worry about.  
> 
> 
> On 14/05/2020, at 07:04, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> On a Mac, if you insert the CD into your drive, it should show up on the 
> Desktop as an ejectable item.  Either open the Untitled CD and check in the 
> Status bar for the amount of remaining space (you may need to press cmd-slash 
> to make the Status bar visible), or press cmd-i to Get Info on the CD and the 
> available space will be listed.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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Re: Strange issue with the IPHone playing split tracks.

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Sorry, I just took a stab in the dark hoping it would help. I just listen to 
the same song on my phone and it sounded fine.
Hoe you manage to fix it.

> On 14/05/2020, at 10:17, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I’ve noticed recently, that the feature before iOS 13, where you could simply 
> tilt your phone if you were playing a split track and wanted it to play in 
> stereo instead, seems to no longer be in existence.  Perfect example, if I 
> wanted to here “Aquarius” by “the Fifth Dimension,” I can barely hear the 
> lead vocalist, and what I can here sounds far away.  However, if I were to 
> listen to that same track on headphones, I could hear both, but the channels 
> for this track are separate, so I’d end up hearing the lead vocalist in my 
> right ear, and everything else in my left ear. Is there a feature I’m missing 
> as far as fixing this, or is it just something we just have to live with for 
> a while?
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Re: Strange issue with the IPHone playing split tracks.

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Hi Jessica,
Can’t say I’ve noticed this. But did you ever use the QE function on the music 
app? If you go in to your settings on your phone and find the music app 
settings you should find the QE settings in there. It is usually  turned off by 
default but if you turn it on you can adjust your preferences for the type of 
music and other stuff. This may have nothing to do with your issue but it’s 
worth a look. 

> On 14/05/2020, at 10:17, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I’ve noticed recently, that the feature before iOS 13, where you could simply 
> tilt your phone if you were playing a split track and wanted it to play in 
> stereo instead, seems to no longer be in existence.  Perfect example, if I 
> wanted to here “Aquarius” by “the Fifth Dimension,” I can barely hear the 
> lead vocalist, and what I can here sounds far away.  However, if I were to 
> listen to that same track on headphones, I could hear both, but the channels 
> for this track are separate, so I’d end up hearing the lead vocalist in my 
> right ear, and everything else in my left ear. Is there a feature I’m missing 
> as far as fixing this, or is it just something we just have to live with for 
> a while?
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Re: Writible CDs and DVDs

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Hmm, that’s all I could find. Never mind. I’m going to get some more anyway. 
I’m not that worried about it as I’ve had this blank CD for years. I burned 
about 480MB  worth of  audio books on to another blank Disc I had a couple of 
days back and it was the same brand so I’m guessing this one is probably around 
600MB.

> On 14/05/2020, at 09:36, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> That’s rather small.  I’d read a little further down, it should be more like 
> 600 to 800 MB.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 13, 2020, at 3:35 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Tim,
> It tells me that has 6148 bites and if my brain is working correctly which 
> isn’t a guarantee I make that  6.1MB? I’m pretty sure I can buy blank DVDs 
> that can take about 4.6GB  so I’ll look online to order some of those. I was 
> hoping they would be available in the Apple store but I think blank DVDs are 
> to old technology for apple to worry about.  
> 
>> On 14/05/2020, at 07:04, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> On a Mac, if you insert the CD into your drive, it should show up on the 
>> Desktop as an ejectable item.  Either open the Untitled CD and check in the 
>> Status bar for the amount of remaining space (you may need to press 
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Re: Body Cams

[Petrus Tuerlings]

All this discussion on Cains reminds me that I need a new one, nothing as 
exciting as other people tripping over it. Just the elastic is stretched to 
much now and it’s not holding straight any more. I only found this out as my 
guide dog had to go to the vet and I needed to use my cain when I got to work 
the other day.  As I work in an old persons home I don’t like to use it at work 
for the same reasons already mentioned. I’d rather not send the oldies flying. 

> On 14/05/2020, at 08:43, Tim M  wrote:
> 
> Here is one for you. Around 2008 when all the office shooting was going 
> around.
> I was in the break room when they had the New York shooting showing to a full 
> house. I was leaving to go back to work when someone crossed my path. Now I 
> use a telescopiccane, and when it snapped the sound was like a gun going off. 
> I never heard some many people hit the floor. 
> Everyone had a good laugh. I told the guy that broke my cane, “Thanks, Now 
> your my eyes until I leave work. He found someone by the end of day to make 
> shift up a cane sub just to get me home. I told him I had spares and thanks 
> for have the thought to fix what you broke.
>> On May 13, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> What type of sticks do you actually have over the pond?
>> People has fallen over my stick a couple of times and i have crashed into 
>> gates and walls but it never breaks.
>> How did you get home by the way.
>> SOme people seem to think that blindness could be healed with sunglasses.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 13 maj 2020 kl. 16:37 skrev Phil Halton >> >:
>>> 
>>> Simon,  just that happened to me once at a state fair not long ago. The 
>>> woman fell down and it was like watching a slow-motion dream. The cane 
>>> snapped like a breadstick and they just started to waltz away. I said just 
>>> what you did, “how my supposed to get home now“, and the husband said I 
>>> don’t know,  put on your sunglasses. I wasn’t very kind in my response.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 13, 2020, at 2:23 AM, Simon A Fogarty >>> > wrote:
 
 
 Mind you,
 I’m sure I could hit someone around the ankle and they would definitely 
 complain.
  
 And as I use a folding cain,
 I find that when sighted people trip over it from not watching where I am 
 going or they are stepping,
 Not only does my cain break but they tend to fall over to which I say,
 Well that probably hert, and how do I get home due to your clumsiness!?
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 > On Behalf Of Phil Halton
 Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 1:09 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Re: Body Cams
  
 Knocking over old people, stepping on little children, just the other day 
 I went into my local hospital and the greeter was very concerned that my 
 white cane might injure the other people in the hospital. so, I tapped her 
 on her ankle a few times to show her that it didn’t hurt. i’d like to see 
 a project that collects stories from the blind of their dealings with the 
 public. I know I’ve got quite a few.
 
 Sent from my IPhone
  
 
 
 On May 12, 2020, at 8:52 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
 mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Simon,
  
 This is what I was thinking about.
 https://www.letsenvision.com/glasse 
 Any other solutions?
 These may be a bit proprietary!
 Love the clip on idea though.
 Thanks
 Chuck
 "God does not play dice with the universe"
 "Albert Einstein’
  
 On May 12, 2020, at 2:59 AM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
 
 
 Do you mean something like the google glasses?
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 > On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
 Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2020 8:18 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Re: Body Cams
 
 Hi Guys,
 What about those sun glasses that have a camera built in?
 May be I'm missing something but a body camera would require turning your 
 hole body towards the shot?
 What I've been working towards is something like the camera glasses so you 
 can turn your head towards what you want to video and just "shoot"!
 I'm going to use it for  things like cars parked over the side walk!
 People that can't trim there trees back especially when there wet! :) And 
 last but not least try and capture those speeding cars license plate as 
 they go by!
 The head of Sunrise FL code 

Re: Writible CDs and DVDs

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Thanks Tim,
It tells me that has 6148 bites and if my brain is working correctly which 
isn’t a guarantee I make that  6.1MB? I’m pretty sure I can buy blank DVDs that 
can take about 4.6GB  so I’ll look online to order some of those. I was hoping 
they would be available in the Apple store but I think blank DVDs are to old 
technology for apple to worry about.  

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> Hi,
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> Desktop as an ejectable item.  Either open the Untitled CD and check in the 
> Status bar for the amount of remaining space (you may need to press cmd-slash 
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> available space will be listed.
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Re: Writible CDs and DVDs

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Hi,

On a Mac, if you insert the CD into your drive, it should show up on the 
Desktop as an ejectable item.  Either open the Untitled CD and check in the 
Status bar for the amount of remaining space (you may need to press cmd-slash 
to make the Status bar visible), or press cmd-i to Get Info on the CD and the 
available space will be listed.

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Re: Writible CDs and DVDs

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Thanks Tim, 
I’ll check that after my breakfast. I was going to just transfer the books on 
to a USB  stick for her but she doesn’t have USB  in the car as far as she 
knows, although it would be easy enough to find out. But I don’t think she 
knows what a USB port looks like anyway and she understands CDs. I’m 14 years 
her senior and I understand Technology better than she does. 

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Re: iTunes store purchase redownloads.

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You got that right, I couldn’t find my purchased items when. I was looking a 
while ago. It is so much easier on the iPhone. 

> On 14/05/2020, at 05:54, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Apple did not make this easy as usual. On the Mac with the Books app open, 
> you go to the audiobook store, and find the Purchased link way down near the 
> bottom of the web page. From there, the layout is similar to that of the 
> Music and TV apps.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 5/13/2020 8:00 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>> If you know the names of the books, you can search for them in the Book 
>> Store, instead of the price, it should just have a Download button.  If you 
>> don’t remember all the titles, you’ll either need to see if they’re under 
>> the Purchases tab of your account, or search through your receipts. Not the 
>> most pleasant task, but might be the best.
>> Later…
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Re: iTunes store purchase redownloads.

[Petrus Tuerlings]

I should have said to look at the books app on your iPhone, under the reading 
now tab you should find your account right at the top of the screen. Directly 
under the reading now heading.

Sent from Petrus's iPhone

On 13/05/2020, at 20:44, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:


I have looked but not in Catalina
 
I’ve also looked in itunes on my widnows machine but no the purchased downloads 
don’t all show up.
I do if need be have all the itunes purchase receits
But going back through them will take weeks of time to do.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Julie Rattray
Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 8:38 PM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: iTunes store purchase redownloads.
 
Stupid question and I am sure you have looked but you might need to do it on a 
Mac - check your account details and purchases do they not show there? 


On 13 May 2020, at 09:18, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
 
Hi Lists,
 
Over the last 7 or 8 years I’ve purchased a large number of audio books through 
iTunes
 
A lot of what I’ve purchased I’ve lost from my phone and iPod where I keep a 
lot of the books I have.
I’d like to redownload the books I’ve spent a lot of money on but can’t find
 
Does anyone know how I can get these older titles downloaded or at least a list 
of  what I purchased prior to a year ago?
 
Cheers for any thoughts 
 
Simon F
 
 
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Re: iTunes store purchase redownloads.

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi Simon, If you open your Books app on your phone, right near the top is your 
account. Double tap on your account and there should be a list of all your 
purchases?

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On 13/05/2020, at 20:18, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:


Hi Lists,
 
Over the last 7 or 8 years I’ve purchased a large number of audio books through 
iTunes
 
A lot of what I’ve purchased I’ve lost from my phone and iPod where I keep a 
lot of the books I have.
I’d like to redownload the books I’ve spent a lot of money on but can’t find
 
Does anyone know how I can get these older titles downloaded or at least a list 
of  what I purchased prior to a year ago?
 
Cheers for any thoughts
 
Simon F
 
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Writible CDs and DVDs

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi all,
I have a lot of MP3 audio books that I’m going to burn onto CDs for a work 
colleague of mine so they have something to listen to in the car on the way 
home from school now that the little Devils are going back to school next week. 
Oops, did I say that, I meant angels. I am going to by some more writable DVDs 
for this task, but I do have one blank CD left but can’t remember what capacity 
it is and I might be able to burn some books onto it before next week while I’m 
waiting for the new disc’s to arrive. 
So how can I check to see what the capacity of the blank Disc is please?
Thanks,
Petrus 
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Re: How to place a Facetime audio call from an iPad?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Yes, I agree with that one sometimes. I like to play music shuffled on my 
bluetooth speaker at work and if I have wet hands I have to use Siri to ask it 
to play music. If I ask it to play my hard rock or heavy metal collections 
shuffled it does fine, but if I ask it to play alternative shuffled it will 
sometimes tell me that it is playing my entire music collection shuffled.  You 
could always put your favourite albums into a play list and then ask Siri to 
play that play list. 

> On 13/05/2020, at 03:38, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> But tell siri to play some music has there issues.
> At least here in Sweden.
> /A
> 
>> 12 maj 2020 kl. 00:11 skrev Petrus Tuerlings > <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> Yes, I’m the same, don’t use Siri for a lot at all. But there are plenty out 
>> there that use it a lot and even rely on it. And why not, as long as people 
>> are using the tools on the iPhone or iPad that suits their needs and getting 
>> the job done. I wasn’t aiming that comment at you. 
>> 
>>> On 11/05/2020, at 19:40, Simon A Fogarty >> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Petrus,
>>>  
>>> The only thing I use siri for is to make a phone call.
>>>  
>>> Just a siri call xyz.
>>>  
>>> Can’t be bothered trying to use ti for other things.
>>>  
>>> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
>>> Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2020 8:33 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: How to place a Facetime audio call from an iPad?
>>>  
>>> That’s what I like about this list, instructions are normally given in 
>>> manual gestures. I’m on an NZ based iPhone list and a lot of the members on 
>>> there heavily rely on Siri to do most of  their iPhone and iPad functions. 
>>> Not that there is anything wrong in that, the good thing with Apple is it 
>>> gives you lots of options to achieve the same thing. Personally I never 
>>> used Siri when I first got my phone or iPad  as I wanted to learn how to do 
>>> it myself.  But  you could also ask Siri to place the FaceTime call for 
>>> you. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/05/2020, at 02:50, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> After pressing the Add button, enter the phone number that you wish to call 
>>> with FaceTime Audio, then press return on the keyboard.  Go back up to the 
>>> entry field and swipe right past the Add Contact button.  There will be 
>>> buttons for Audio and Video calling.  Double-tap whichever you wish and the 
>>> call should be placed.
>>>  
>>> Later…
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 9, 2020, at 7:09 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Subject line says it all. I Googled this and found something that said you 
>>> click on the plus sign at the top of the screen, which I assume is 
>>> referring to the Add button. But that just adds the contact to call, I 
>>> don’t see an option for Facetime audio. Anyone know how to do this?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: How to place a Facetime audio call from an iPad?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Yes, I’m the same, don’t use Siri for a lot at all. But there are plenty out 
there that use it a lot and even rely on it. And why not, as long as people are 
using the tools on the iPhone or iPad that suits their needs and getting the 
job done. I wasn’t aiming that comment at you. 

> On 11/05/2020, at 19:40, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Petrus,
>  
> The only thing I use siri for is to make a phone call.
>  
> Just a siri call xyz.
>  
> Can’t be bothered trying to use ti for other things.
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2020 8:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How to place a Facetime audio call from an iPad?
>  
> That’s what I like about this list, instructions are normally given in manual 
> gestures. I’m on an NZ based iPhone list and a lot of the members on there 
> heavily rely on Siri to do most of  their iPhone and iPad functions. Not that 
> there is anything wrong in that, the good thing with Apple is it gives you 
> lots of options to achieve the same thing. Personally I never used Siri when 
> I first got my phone or iPad  as I wanted to learn how to do it myself.  But  
> you could also ask Siri to place the FaceTime call for you. 
> 
> 
> On 10/05/2020, at 02:50, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> After pressing the Add button, enter the phone number that you wish to call 
> with FaceTime Audio, then press return on the keyboard.  Go back up to the 
> entry field and swipe right past the Add Contact button.  There will be 
> buttons for Audio and Video calling.  Double-tap whichever you wish and the 
> call should be placed.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> 
> On May 9, 2020, at 7:09 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi all,
> 
> Subject line says it all. I Googled this and found something that said you 
> click on the plus sign at the top of the screen, which I assume is referring 
> to the Add button. But that just adds the contact to call, I don’t see an 
> option for Facetime audio. Anyone know how to do this?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Fwd: [nz_vi_iphone_users] BlindSquare and NaviLens COVID-19 Response information offer

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Thought I’d forward the below message for those that are interested.
> Reply-To: nz_vi_iphone_us...@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
>  
> Just wanting to share some great news from BlindSquare and NaviLens.
> 
>  
> Please see their release below and links to information resources to assist 
> you learn more about their apps.
> 
>  
> If you haven’t used BlindSquare before, or don’t know what NaviLens is, then 
> please read on  for more details.  Please also note that BlindSquare are also 
> providing a limited time free offer. 
> 
> Please feel free to share with others in your community.
> 
>  
> Regards
> 
>  
> Thomas
> 
>  
> Thomas Bryan
> 
> National Technology Advisor
> 
> Blind Low Vision NZ
> 
>  
> P: 04 3802140 ext:2140 | M: +6421436365 | E:tbr...@blindlowvision.org.nz 
> 
>  
> 121 Adelaide Road, Newtown
> 
> Wellington 6021
> 
>  
> 
> Find out why we’ve changed our name 
> 
>  
> COVID-19 Keeping us indoors, with unique opportunities supported 
> byBlindSquare and NaviLens <>.
> 
>  
> May 21st is Global Accessibility Awareness Day, focusing on digital access 
> and inclusion for the more than one billion people with disabilities. 
> 
> Across our globe, the impact of the pandemic is found. Some impacts are led 
> by common sense (avoid exposures, battle all exposures with “be clean” 
> responses), and some by country/local laws restricting travel entirely or by 
> degree.
> 
> BlindSquare  and NaviLens 
>  join to serve on the frontline.
> 
> Being stuck indoors. 
> Has the pandemic created a greater impact for persons who are blind, 
> deafblind, or partially sighted?  Absolutely. These persons now have a 
> heightened need to “be aware” of current locations and planned destinations. 
> They need to know where they are and limit their exposures.
> 
> A new opportunity to experience your environment.  
> BlindSquare  and NaviLens 
> , leaders in improving the lives for those who are 
> blind/deafblind or partially sighted, bring you an opportunity to discover 
> abilities and equip yourself in anticipation of a return to a new normal, and 
> to provide you greater independence, comfort, and location awareness with 
> immediate and long term rewards.
> 
> BlindSquare is the world’s most widely used accessible GPS iOS app developed 
> for persons who are blind, deafblind or partially sighted. Paired with 
> third-party navigation apps, BlindSquare’s self-voicing app delivers detailed 
> points of interest and intersections for safe, reliable travel. Paired with 
> NaviLens, the app that scans proprietary codes to deliver situational 
> information instantly, this duo offers an unmatched experience for users to 
> navigate independently and more importantly in today’s environment, safely.
> 
> While our products have been helpful for our current users, we pondered, why 
> it can’t be great for all during this stress-filled time? We looked for a way 
> to solve this, without cost.
> 
> BlindSquare’s reputation, across its 8 years of service, is replete with 
> personal success stories such as those that extoll the value of travel 
> information for making informed choices and the ability to “simulate” future 
> destinations for adventure.  When using simulation, BlindSquare behaves just 
> as if you’re there! And withNaviLens  on board  
> your device, you have access to their award-winning technology to create 
> personal tags that can be used to “label your world” for such things as 
> cupboard content, prescription bottles, fridge contents (including best 
> before dates!), contents of your bar, contents of your freezer, and more. 
> NaviLens  is enjoyed by thousands.
> 
> So, in co-operation and consultation with many educators and organizations 
> supporting persons who are blind, deafblind, or partially sighted, we have 
> committed to make BlindSquare EVENT (version 
> 4.9967+) and NaviLens  available—free of 
> charge—until November 2020. During this time, free access to BlindSquare 
> EVENT means a full-featured version of BlindSquare for iOS users that is 
> geofenced to the continents of New Zealand, Australia, North America (Canada 
> and the USA), Greenland, Mexico, Spain, Portugal and Japan—well over 25 
> million square miles! Mid November, BlindSquare EVENT will return to 
> Demonstration mode, NaviLens will continue.
> 
> There are no strings attached and no obligations implied by this offering. 
> Our mutual goals are to reduce the impact of the pandemic to you, to provide 
> you with the ability to plan future travel, and to become familiar with the 
> enablement that our solutions provide.
> 
> BlindSquare resources
> 
> Download BlindSquare EVENT 

Re: USB flash drive with my phone.

[Petrus Tuerlings]

I’ve always used dropbox to transfer files to my phone, and if they are on a 
flash drive I just plugged it into my computer and used dropbox. Then it is 
quite easy to get files from dropbox into voice dream.

> On 10/05/2020, at 08:33, Matt  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I think the files app keeps crashing, because it will not let me copy 
> anything.
> 
> What format should the flash drive be in?
> 
> 
> On 5/9/2020 4:17 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Try transferring them with the files app instead. Maybe even transfer them 
>> from the drive to the Reader folder in “on my iPhone” file area.
>> 
>>> On May 9, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi folks.
>>> 
>>>  I've got the camera connection kit, with the drive plugged in to my phone.
>>> 
>>> There are zip audio files on the drive.
>>> 
>>> I want to import these files into voice dream reader.
>>> 
>>> every time i try this, I get document not available.
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Re: How to place a Facetime audio call from an iPad?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

That’s what I like about this list, instructions are normally given in manual 
gestures. I’m on an NZ based iPhone list and a lot of the members on there 
heavily rely on Siri to do most of  their iPhone and iPad functions. Not that 
there is anything wrong in that, the good thing with Apple is it gives you lots 
of options to achieve the same thing. Personally I never used Siri when I first 
got my phone or iPad  as I wanted to learn how to do it myself.  But  you could 
also ask Siri to place the FaceTime call for you. 

> On 10/05/2020, at 02:50, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> After pressing the Add button, enter the phone number that you wish to call 
> with FaceTime Audio, then press return on the keyboard.  Go back up to the 
> entry field and swipe right past the Add Contact button.  There will be 
> buttons for Audio and Video calling.  Double-tap whichever you wish and the 
> call should be placed.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On May 9, 2020, at 7:09 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Subject line says it all. I Googled this and found something that said you 
>> click on the plus sign at the top of the screen, which I assume is referring 
>> to the Add button. But that just adds the contact to call, I don’t see an 
>> option for Facetime audio. Anyone know how to do this?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Giving Apps access and battery life

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi Anders,
What model phone you got again? How long is your battery lasting before you 
need to charge it up again, and what are you using your phone for during the 
day?

> On 7/05/2020, at 23:35, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> There were a few apps that had bluetooth Permission.
> Sdly it didn’t fix my battery issue.
> Guess i have to talk to some apple authorized technission.
> /A
> 
>> 7 maj 2020 kl. 00:10 skrev Petrus Tuerlings > <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> Hi Anders,
>> The other thing I did that I forgot to mention after I turned off bluetooth 
>> access in lazarillo was to reboot my phone by pressing the volume up button 
>> quickly followed by the volume down button and quickly followed by holding 
>> the side button in until the phone started again. Turning it off the regular 
>> way would probably work just as well but I usually get better results if I 
>> do a reboot that way as well from time to time.
>> 
>>> On 5/05/2020, at 23:46, Anders Holmberg >> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Aha! That might help me too.
>>> I have to check apps to see what apps has access to what?
>>> Thanks Petrus for that.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 4 maj 2020 kl. 23:22 skrev Petrus Tuerlings >>> <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I just learned the importance of paying attention too what access Apps ask 
>>>> for. 
>>>> I recommended Lazarillo to Paul last week as I found it quite helpful when 
>>>> we moved into this new neighbourhood a few years ago. But admit I hadn’t 
>>>> used it for a while and when I opened it again it asked to access my 
>>>> location via bluetooth too. make it more accurate, or something like that. 
>>>> I couldn’t quite make the connection in my head between GPS  and bluetooth 
>>>> but I clicked on OK anyway. Then I noticed a huge drop in my battery life 
>>>> on my phone in the preceding days but isn’t make the connection. I was 
>>>> sitting there on Sunday trying to work out why my battery was draining so 
>>>> fast and I even checked my battery health and it was still running at peek 
>>>> performance. Then it hit me, the only change I made recently was with the 
>>>> Lazarillo App, so I went into my settings and found the lazarillo app and 
>>>> checked the settings. Once I turned off the bluetooth access my battery 
>>>> life was back to normal. So I’m going to pay more attention to apps when 
>>>> they ask me to give them access and permissions. 
>>>> Sorry for the rant, 
>>>> Petrus 
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Re: Giving Apps access and battery life

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Thanks Tim,
I’ll stop recommending that method to people unless it is a last resort and 
nothing else is working.

> On 7/05/2020, at 15:44, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> I don’t recommend restarting your iPhone using that method unless your ipHone 
> is unresponsive.  That is more like a forced restart, which can mess with 
> things a little more harshly than the normal shutdown/power up version.  
> Consider it like the Mac, in that normally, if you wish to restart, you go to 
> the Apple menu and select Restart.  When the Mac is unresponsive, you can 
> hold down the power button for about five seconds forcing the Mac to shut 
> down.  The force shutdown can cause open files to get errors and other less 
> desirable results.  Nine times out of ten, nothing bad will come of it, I 
> just don’t think it’s worth the risk.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> 
>> On May 6, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Petrus Tuerlings > <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anders,
>> The other thing I did that I forgot to mention after I turned off bluetooth 
>> access in lazarillo was to reboot my phone by pressing the volume up button 
>> quickly followed by the volume down button and quickly followed by holding 
>> the side button in until the phone started again. Turning it off the regular 
>> way would probably work just as well but I usually get better results if I 
>> do a reboot that way as well from time to time.
>> 
>>> On 5/05/2020, at 23:46, Anders Holmberg >> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Aha! That might help me too.
>>> I have to check apps to see what apps has access to what?
>>> Thanks Petrus for that.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 4 maj 2020 kl. 23:22 skrev Petrus Tuerlings >>> <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I just learned the importance of paying attention too what access Apps ask 
>>>> for. 
>>>> I recommended Lazarillo to Paul last week as I found it quite helpful when 
>>>> we moved into this new neighbourhood a few years ago. But admit I hadn’t 
>>>> used it for a while and when I opened it again it asked to access my 
>>>> location via bluetooth too. make it more accurate, or something like that. 
>>>> I couldn’t quite make the connection in my head between GPS  and bluetooth 
>>>> but I clicked on OK anyway. Then I noticed a huge drop in my battery life 
>>>> on my phone in the preceding days but isn’t make the connection. I was 
>>>> sitting there on Sunday trying to work out why my battery was draining so 
>>>> fast and I even checked my battery health and it was still running at peek 
>>>> performance. Then it hit me, the only change I made recently was with the 
>>>> Lazarillo App, so I went into my settings and found the lazarillo app and 
>>>> checked the settings. Once I turned off the bluetooth access my battery 
>>>> life was back to normal. So I’m going to pay more attention to apps when 
>>>> they ask me to give them access and permissions. 
>>>> Sorry for the rant, 
>>>> Petrus 
>>>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Bluetooth Thermometer?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

I’ll have to have a look later and see what is around. So far I’m getting my 
tempiture every day when I go to work anyway. But they do like to have a laugh 
and put the thing on Fahrenheit just to freak us out from time to time.

> On 7/05/2020, at 21:16, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Petrus,
>  
> Does the blind low vision nz have anything on their list of toys?
>  
> Or Amazon?
> I have thought about getting one but never taken the time to look to deep.
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth Thermometer?
>  
> Hi ET,
> Have you managed to find a bluetooth thermometer yet? I was surprised that 
> there was nothing available in the Apple store given the health situation in 
> the world at the moment. I do have a bluetooth  meet thermometer for cooking, 
> but I’m certainly not going to use that on any part of my person. 
> They do have a contactless  thermometer at my work that reads out  your 
> tempiture out loud when it is pointed at you, but that one isn’t bluetooth 
> and I’m not sure where they got it. 
> 
> 
> On 5/05/2020, at 12:55, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
>   This is s good a time as any to ask about this. Is there a good accurate 
> device that works with the iPhone for monitoring one's temperature? 
> "Accurate" is key here. Thanks.
> 
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Re: Bluetooth Thermometer?

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Interesting that you found one in the Apple store I couldn’t find one in the 
New Zealand Apple store. 

> On 7/05/2020, at 13:11, John JD Denning  wrote:
> 
> I am also looking for one. I thought I asked this question a couple of weeks 
> ago here. I would really prefer something that enters the data directly into 
> Health. But you know at this point if it’s spoke I can enter a couple of 
> numbers manually end of the health app.
> 
> The one that Apple carries in the Apple store is though weddings temporal 
> thermometer. I’ve been out of stock for quite a while. I’m not really 
> impressed with the weddings app. I have a blood pressure monitor. I can use 
> it but there is much of the app that isn’t very voiceover friendly at all. 
> And I tried one of their scales and it was useless for the blind. You had to 
> be able to read the screen on it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 6, 2020, at 18:18, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi ET,
>> Have you managed to find a bluetooth thermometer yet? I was surprised that 
>> there was nothing available in the Apple store given the health situation in 
>> the world at the moment. I do have a bluetooth  meet thermometer for 
>> cooking, but I’m certainly not going to use that on any part of my person. 
>> They do have a contactless  thermometer at my work that reads out  your 
>> tempiture out loud when it is pointed at you, but that one isn’t bluetooth 
>> and I’m not sure where they got it. 
>> 
>>> On 5/05/2020, at 12:55, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   This is s good a time as any to ask about this. Is there a good accurate 
>>> device that works with the iPhone for monitoring one's temperature? 
>>> "Accurate" is key here. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Re: Bluetooth Thermometer?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi ET,
Have you managed to find a bluetooth thermometer yet? I was surprised that 
there was nothing available in the Apple store given the health situation in 
the world at the moment. I do have a bluetooth  meet thermometer for cooking, 
but I’m certainly not going to use that on any part of my person. 
They do have a contactless  thermometer at my work that reads out  your 
tempiture out loud when it is pointed at you, but that one isn’t bluetooth and 
I’m not sure where they got it. 

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>  wrote:
> 
>   This is s good a time as any to ask about this. Is there a good accurate 
> device that works with the iPhone for monitoring one's temperature? 
> "Accurate" is key here. Thanks.
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Re: Giving Apps access and battery life

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Hi Anders,
The other thing I did that I forgot to mention after I turned off bluetooth 
access in lazarillo was to reboot my phone by pressing the volume up button 
quickly followed by the volume down button and quickly followed by holding the 
side button in until the phone started again. Turning it off the regular way 
would probably work just as well but I usually get better results if I do a 
reboot that way as well from time to time.

> On 5/05/2020, at 23:46, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Aha! That might help me too.
> I have to check apps to see what apps has access to what?
> Thanks Petrus for that.
> /A
> 
>> 4 maj 2020 kl. 23:22 skrev Petrus Tuerlings > <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I just learned the importance of paying attention too what access Apps ask 
>> for. 
>> I recommended Lazarillo to Paul last week as I found it quite helpful when 
>> we moved into this new neighbourhood a few years ago. But admit I hadn’t 
>> used it for a while and when I opened it again it asked to access my 
>> location via bluetooth too. make it more accurate, or something like that. I 
>> couldn’t quite make the connection in my head between GPS  and bluetooth but 
>> I clicked on OK anyway. Then I noticed a huge drop in my battery life on my 
>> phone in the preceding days but isn’t make the connection. I was sitting 
>> there on Sunday trying to work out why my battery was draining so fast and I 
>> even checked my battery health and it was still running at peek performance. 
>> Then it hit me, the only change I made recently was with the Lazarillo App, 
>> so I went into my settings and found the lazarillo app and checked the 
>> settings. Once I turned off the bluetooth access my battery life was back to 
>> normal. So I’m going to pay more attention to apps when they ask me to give 
>> them access and permissions. 
>> Sorry for the rant, 
>> Petrus 
>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Sorry, can’t help you with that as I don’t find it a bother at all. In fact I 
think it was rather thoughtful of Ramy to translate his name into English for 
our benefit. 

> On 6/05/2020, at 11:54, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> OK, now how about iOS? I’ve been hearing Remi’s name read out in English and 
> Arabic for a month and I must say it is bothering me. I’ve tried going it to 
> VoiceOver settings and turning off automatic language detection and it did no 
> good. How can this be done on iOS? That’s all I use I never use OS X anymore.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 4:57 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Petrus,
>> 
>> Asking Simon not to make a smart comment is like asking yourself not to 
>> breathe.  Good luck with that :).
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 2:54 PM, Petrus Tuerlings >> <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ramy,
>>> Cool, thanks  for that. I know what the Arabic characters are saying now, 
>>> at least on my iPhone. My Mac ignores them all together, I wouldn’t have 
>>> known that you wrote your name in two alphabets if my iPhone hadn’t have 
>>> read it. So I must have my Mac set to ignore other languages as the voice 
>>> didn’t change with Tims French either.
>>> The one thing about this list that might potentially embarrass me is the 
>>> fact that it is a multi national list with many different countries and 
>>> sometimes I don’t know if I’m replying to a male or female, so I avoid 
>>> making any gender references. 
>>> I’ve had a few people in New Zealand that think I’m female even though 
>>> Petrus is a male name. Although I don’t see any reason why there can’t be 
>>> female Rocks as well.
>>> Oh, and no smart comments on my gender by Simon if he’s reading this.
>>> 
>>>> On 6/05/2020, at 00:28, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
>>>> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>⁩> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Pete and all:
>>>> Yes, I wrote my Name with Arabic and english Caractors,  and i think if 
>>>> you use Automaticaly select by language in the Voice over men, it will 
>>>> stop, or BTW if you use any Voice other than ALex, He or she will not be 
>>>> able to read the Arabic Caractors,
>>>> Hope it did not disturb you and others
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 4, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Pete De Vasto >>>> <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and 
>>>>> I so strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. 
>>>>> Whenever I see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what 
>>>>> it calls Arabic characters, and it takes a bit longer to read through 
>>>>> those messages. I am sure there is very good reason for having these 
>>>>> characters there, and by no means would I want you to eliminate them. 
>>>>> However, I was wondering if others on the list have noticed this 
>>>>> behavior, and if there’s a way I can tell VO to ignore these characters. 
>>>>> My VO punctuation preference is set to “some”, so I guess that means it’s 
>>>>> not considering these to be punctuation. Any thoughts on this?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
>>>>> characters if needed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi Ramy,
Cool, thanks  for that. I know what the Arabic characters are saying now, at 
least on my iPhone. My Mac ignores them all together, I wouldn’t have known 
that you wrote your name in two alphabets if my iPhone hadn’t have read it. So 
I must have my Mac set to ignore other languages as the voice didn’t change 
with Tims French either.
The one thing about this list that might potentially embarrass me is the fact 
that it is a multi national list with many different countries and sometimes I 
don’t know if I’m replying to a male or female, so I avoid making any gender 
references. 
I’ve had a few people in New Zealand that think I’m female even though Petrus 
is a male name. Although I don’t see any reason why there can’t be female Rocks 
as well.
Oh, and no smart comments on my gender by Simon if he’s reading this.

> On 6/05/2020, at 00:28, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com⁩> wrote:
> 
> Hi Pete and all:
> Yes, I wrote my Name with Arabic and english Caractors,  and i think if you 
> use Automaticaly select by language in the Voice over men, it will stop, or 
> BTW if you use any Voice other than ALex, He or she will not be able to read 
> the Arabic Caractors,
> Hope it did not disturb you and others
> 
> 
>> On May 4, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and I 
>> so strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. 
>> Whenever I see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what it 
>> calls Arabic characters, and it takes a bit longer to read through those 
>> messages. I am sure there is very good reason for having these characters 
>> there, and by no means would I want you to eliminate them. However, I was 
>> wondering if others on the list have noticed this behavior, and if there’s a 
>> way I can tell VO to ignore these characters. My VO punctuation preference 
>> is set to “some”, so I guess that means it’s not considering these to be 
>> punctuation. Any thoughts on this?
>> 
>> Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
>> characters if needed.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
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Giving Apps access and battery life

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi all,
I just learned the importance of paying attention too what access Apps ask for. 
I recommended Lazarillo to Paul last week as I found it quite helpful when we 
moved into this new neighbourhood a few years ago. But admit I hadn’t used it 
for a while and when I opened it again it asked to access my location via 
bluetooth too. make it more accurate, or something like that. I couldn’t quite 
make the connection in my head between GPS  and bluetooth but I clicked on OK 
anyway. Then I noticed a huge drop in my battery life on my phone in the 
preceding days but isn’t make the connection. I was sitting there on Sunday 
trying to work out why my battery was draining so fast and I even checked my 
battery health and it was still running at peek performance. Then it hit me, 
the only change I made recently was with the Lazarillo App, so I went into my 
settings and found the lazarillo app and checked the settings. Once I turned 
off the bluetooth access my battery life was back to normal. So I’m going to 
pay more attention to apps when they ask me to give them access and 
permissions. 
Sorry for the rant, 
Petrus 
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Re: Silencing VoiceOver with the control key

[Petrus Tuerlings]

But this brings me back to my original  question. If I press VO +A to do a read 
all I just can not get the control key to work properly. I press it and 
VoiceOver will stop for about two seconds and then start up again. Now I am 
pressing the caps lock key +A to do the read all. I Might try  control option+A 
to do the read all and then see if the control silence key works as it should.

> On 5/05/2020, at 06:37, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When the ctrl key does not work, this is because the VO buffer is busy and 
> the normal ctrl key action is not registered.  I just press the Caps-Lock key 
> and VO instantly quiets.  The only problem with this method is that VO cannot 
> restart from where it left off after pressing this key, but it is stopped.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On May 4, 2020, at 12:21 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That has been my experience too, and I agree, it's very frustrating.
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2020, at 12:10 PM, Greg Wocher >> <mailto:gwoc...@gwocher.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I notice that control does not work very often to silence speech. It does 
>>> not matter what voice I am using. Sometimes when I hit control it will even 
>>> start speaking in a different voice than the one I am using. It is one of 
>>> the most annoying frustrations I have with VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> Greg Wocher
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 4, 2020, at 11:27 AM, Patrick Ford >>> <mailto:xplorer1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, I am using Samantha and the control key does not work for silencing. I 
>>>> thought it was because I had updated to catalina. it used to work just 
>>>> fine but after catalina control key never worked again.
>>>> patrick 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 4, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Pete De Vasto >>>> <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Petrus,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Out of curiosity, what voice are you currently using? I’m using Victoria, 
>>>>> one of the old-time voices that’s been with VO forever, and the control 
>>>>> key does exactly what I expect it to do. Have you tried switching to 
>>>>> either her, or maybe Samantha, just to see what happens?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pete De Vasto
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 4, 2020, at 7:21 AM, Eric Caron >>>>> <mailto:eric.caro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It would be helpful if it worked.  It would be a quick way to stop 
>>>>>> speech in all kinds of situations.  Mostly when my wife wants to tell me 
>>>>>> something and the computer is talking so I can’t hear.  But also when on 
>>>>>> a phone call, or when I want to silence a long unneeded computer ramble. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have learned to restart voice over or turn the volume down but the 
>>>>>> control key is faster and easier. And it has the advantage that a second 
>>>>>> press starts speech where it left off. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I notice just now that if I close my lid and then reopen the control key 
>>>>>> feature no longer works.  I have to restart Voice over.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Unfortunately due to an active cat it is best if I shut my lid often.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  I’ll pay attention to see what else triggers the failure.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Eric Caron 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 4, 2020, at 9:16 AM, Anders Holmberg >>>>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>> It seems to do so on my computer using all english speaking voices but 
>>>>>>> not when i use my swedish voice.
>>>>>>> Not sure why but thats how it is here.
>>>>>>> /A
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 4 maj 2020 kl. 02:57 skrev Petrus Tuerlings >>>>>>> <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>>:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>&

Re: Silencing VoiceOver with the control key

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi Pete,
I’m using Australian Karen, I can try and change it to see if it makes any 
difference. But I have Australian Karen on my wife’s Mac as well and I’ve never 
had this issue on her machine. But then I don’t use it as often so that doesn’t 
mean it won’t happen.
I seem to remember this issue right from day one when a friend came around to 
help me set the machine up and she told me to press the control key to silence 
voice over, but at that point I’d never met a Mac before so I could have been 
pressing the wrong key as well.

> On 5/05/2020, at 02:30, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> Petrus,
> 
> Out of curiosity, what voice are you currently using? I’m using Victoria, one 
> of the old-time voices that’s been with VO forever, and the control key does 
> exactly what I expect it to do. Have you tried switching to either her, or 
> maybe Samantha, just to see what happens?
> 
> Pete De Vasto
> 
>> On May 4, 2020, at 7:21 AM, Eric Caron > <mailto:eric.caro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> It would be helpful if it worked.  It would be a quick way to stop speech in 
>> all kinds of situations.  Mostly when my wife wants to tell me something and 
>> the computer is talking so I can’t hear.  But also when on a phone call, or 
>> when I want to silence a long unneeded computer ramble. 
>> 
>> I have learned to restart voice over or turn the volume down but the control 
>> key is faster and easier. And it has the advantage that a second press 
>> starts speech where it left off. 
>> 
>> I notice just now that if I close my lid and then reopen the control key 
>> feature no longer works.  I have to restart Voice over.  
>> 
>> Unfortunately due to an active cat it is best if I shut my lid often.
>> 
>>  I’ll pay attention to see what else triggers the failure.
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2020, at 9:16 AM, Anders Holmberg >> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> It seems to do so on my computer using all english speaking voices but not 
>>> when i use my swedish voice.
>>> Not sure why but thats how it is here.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 4 maj 2020 kl. 02:57 skrev Petrus Tuerlings >>> <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I know this was discussed a few weeks back but can’t remember if there was 
>>>> a solution?
>>>> If I use the VO+A to read all on an open email and I press the control key 
>>>> to shut Voiceover up because my wife is talking to me, it will shut up for 
>>>> about five seconds and then carry on reading. No matter how many times I 
>>>> press the control key VoiceOver will start reading again after five 
>>>> seconds or so. So I just end up slamming the lid down just to keep it 
>>>> quiet. Suppose I could mute VoiceOver but I thought the control key was 
>>>> the way to do it.
>>>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Silencing VoiceOver with the control key

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Sorry Simon,
I’m a bit confused by your reply?

> On 4/05/2020, at 21:23, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Or your mac,
>  
> They speak words but don’t under stand what the words actually mean.
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Monday, 4 May 2020 2:42 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Silencing VoiceOver with the control key
>  
> Hi Eric,
> I have the advantage of having access to two machines and have only noticed 
> this on my one. I might see if I can get hold of Apple accessibility and see 
> if I can give them remote access to my machine  so they can see what is going 
> on.  .   shame that we haven[’t got Apple stores in New Zealand or I would 
> have gone into store to show them what is happening.. And the retail store I 
> got my Mac from wouldn’t understand VoiceOver anyway.  
> 
> 
> On 4/05/2020, at 14:13, Eric Caron  <mailto:eric.caro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Petrus,
>  
> Yes, I brought this up earlier. 
>  
> For me it works sometimes.  If not working what happens is I 
> press it and Voice over just keeps talking.  I have to restart Voice over and 
> then the Control key will work correctly. Unfortunately it doesn’t last all 
> that long and I’m back to turning voice over off and on again. 
>  
> It is nice when it works. 
>  
> Best of luck.
>  
> Eric Caron 
>  
> 
> 
> On May 3, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> I just tested it again, I can report that I am  most definitely  pressing it 
> once. I’ve always had problems with the control key on this machine, first 
> thing in the morning once I’ve opened my lid and start using the computer it 
> takes about three or four presses of the control key before it silences 
> VoiceOver. Almost like it needs to warm up. But when I test it on my wife’s 
> MacBook it behaves as it should every time. It’s just the control key on my 
> machine that refuses to play nicely.
> 
> 
> On 4/05/2020, at 13:09, alia robinson  <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> it is, works everytime, but you need to just press it once. if you press it 
> again it will resume. you must be pressing it twice.
>  
> On May 3, 2020, at 8:57 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi all,
> I know this was discussed a few weeks back but can’t remember if there was a 
> solution?
> If I use the VO+A to read all on an open email and I press the control key to 
> shut Voiceover up because my wife is talking to me, it will shut up for about 
> five seconds and then carry on reading. No matter how many times I press the 
> control key VoiceOver will start reading again after five seconds or so. So I 
> just end up slamming the lid down just to keep it quiet. Suppose I could mute 
> VoiceOver but I thought the control key was the way to do it.
>  
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Re: Silencing VoiceOver with the control key

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Hi Eric,
I have the advantage of having access to two machines and have only noticed 
this on my one. I might see if I can get hold of Apple accessibility and see if 
I can give them remote access to my machine  so they can see what is going on.  
.   shame that we haven[’t got Apple stores in New Zealand or I would have gone 
into store to show them what is happening.. And the retail store I got my Mac 
from wouldn’t understand VoiceOver anyway.  

> On 4/05/2020, at 14:13, Eric Caron  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
>   Yes, I brought this up earlier. 
> 
>   For me it works sometimes.  If not working what happens is I press it 
> and Voice over just keeps talking.  I have to restart Voice over and then the 
> Control key will work correctly. Unfortunately it doesn’t last all that long 
> and I’m back to turning voice over off and on again. 
> 
> It is nice when it works. 
> 
> Best of luck.
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
> 
>> On May 3, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Petrus Tuerlings > <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just tested it again, I can report that I am  most definitely  pressing it 
>> once. I’ve always had problems with the control key on this machine, first 
>> thing in the morning once I’ve opened my lid and start using the computer it 
>> takes about three or four presses of the control key before it silences 
>> VoiceOver. Almost like it needs to warm up. But when I test it on my wife’s 
>> MacBook it behaves as it should every time. It’s just the control key on my 
>> machine that refuses to play nicely.
>> 
>>> On 4/05/2020, at 13:09, alia robinson >> <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> it is, works everytime, but you need to just press it once. if you press it 
>>> again it will resume. you must be pressing it twice.
>>> 
>>> On May 3, 2020, at 8:57 PM, Petrus Tuerlings >> <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I know this was discussed a few weeks back but can’t remember if there was 
>>> a solution?
>>> If I use the VO+A to read all on an open email and I press the control key 
>>> to shut Voiceover up because my wife is talking to me, it will shut up for 
>>> about five seconds and then carry on reading. No matter how many times I 
>>> press the control key VoiceOver will start reading again after five seconds 
>>> or so. So I just end up slamming the lid down just to keep it quiet. 
>>> Suppose I could mute VoiceOver but I thought the control key was the way to 
>>> do it.
>>> 
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Re: Silencing VoiceOver with the control key

[Petrus Tuerlings]

I just tested it again, I can report that I am  most definitely  pressing it 
once. I’ve always had problems with the control key on this machine, first 
thing in the morning once I’ve opened my lid and start using the computer it 
takes about three or four presses of the control key before it silences 
VoiceOver. Almost like it needs to warm up. But when I test it on my wife’s 
MacBook it behaves as it should every time. It’s just the control key on my 
machine that refuses to play nicely.

> On 4/05/2020, at 13:09, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> it is, works everytime, but you need to just press it once. if you press it 
> again it will resume. you must be pressing it twice.
> 
> On May 3, 2020, at 8:57 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I know this was discussed a few weeks back but can’t remember if there was a 
> solution?
> If I use the VO+A to read all on an open email and I press the control key to 
> shut Voiceover up because my wife is talking to me, it will shut up for about 
> five seconds and then carry on reading. No matter how many times I press the 
> control key VoiceOver will start reading again after five seconds or so. So I 
> just end up slamming the lid down just to keep it quiet. Suppose I could mute 
> VoiceOver but I thought the control key was the way to do it.
> 
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Silencing VoiceOver with the control key

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Hi all,
I know this was discussed a few weeks back but can’t remember if there was a 
solution?
If I use the VO+A to read all on an open email and I press the control key to 
shut Voiceover up because my wife is talking to me, it will shut up for about 
five seconds and then carry on reading. No matter how many times I press the 
control key VoiceOver will start reading again after five seconds or so. So I 
just end up slamming the lid down just to keep it quiet. Suppose I could mute 
VoiceOver but I thought the control key was the way to do it.
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Re: in app purchases

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That means the App itself is free but there are areas or functions in the app 
that you need to pay for. For example if it is a game you can play to a certain 
level and then you need to pay to keep playing it, or you can buy different 
games within the app if it has more then one game available.  Or it can be a 
news App where you can get free content and then you need to pay for more 
interesting stories. And you purchase these things from within the app. So if 
you buy a book in the Apple Books app that is an IN App purchase, even though 
the app is free. 

> On 2/05/2020, at 08:30, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> what does 
> "in app purchases"
> mean? I usually see "free with in app purchases" and have no idea what 
> they're talking about.
> 
> thanks.
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Re: iPhone: strange voiceOver utterance

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I’m thinking this is something to do with notifications, you can always check 
your notification settings. I know I have always speak notifications turned off 
but I can’t remember where I found that setting.

> On 2/05/2020, at 05:41, Chris Moore  wrote:
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> Hello,
> When my iPhone is locked, I occasionally hear voiceOver say something like:
> “showing page 1 of 57”.
> 
> I haven’t done much to investigate but would be glad to discover a way to 
> shut it off.
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Re: GPS Apps

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Good point, that could be it. As long as the bus driver wasn’t drunk. But you 
know what it is like to get up close and personal with a bus. I don’t mind 
living across the road from a cemetery, at least they won’t have parties all 
night. If they did I’d be  keen to go party with them.

> On 1/05/2020, at 09:02, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Petrus,
>  
> I hope those folks in the cematary aren’t there because the bus was late?
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On 
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> Sorry, can’t really help with that one. GPS technology depends on a lot of 
> things. How many GPS  signals your phone is picking up to triangulate your 
> position can effect it and I’ve heard that even cloud cover can effect it .  
> Suppose the orientation of your phone and weather you have it in a pocket or 
> not can effect it too, but I just opened the app as I’m sitting inside at my 
> table and it told me that the cemetery and bus stop is 112m to my south which 
> is correct. And it does get updated quite regularly so it c could just be a 
> bug that will get fixed at some point. You can also open the category filter 
> so you can change what it tells you if you don’t want to know about 
> entertainment places and shops and so on. 
> It’s not to  bad for a free app..
> 
> 
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> Many thanks for the tip on Lazarillo. I took it for a trial run this morning 
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> direction in which I am walking.
> One aspect which puzzles me is that it usually tells me that a named side 
> road is x meters in front of me even when the road in question is just a side 
> road and not a cross road. Occasionally it very helpfully tells me that the 
> side road is to my left or my right. I cannot figure out why it only does 
> this on rare occasions. Any thoughts on this?
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Re: More urgent queries re setting up my Mac and the log-in screen with Voiceover

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Hi,
I’m by no means an expert, well I’m still a beginner. But I thought that if the 
fire volt is disabled then you just have to enter your password and not your 
user name. I can’t remember what Mac you have? I have a Mac book and I just 
close the lid and don’t bother turning the Mac off. But even when I do turn it 
off I only need to enter my password. 

> On 30/04/2020, at 22:51, 'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all 
> 
> Thanks for all the help you’ve given me so far. However, I’m still struggling 
> with my Mac. I turned off Filevault, which went fine. However, when I started 
> my Mac this morning and got to the log-in screen VoiceOver did kick in. But 
> when I entered my username and password it told me that log-in had failed and 
> that my screen was locked. 
> 
> Any ideas how I can sort this out??? All help most greatfully 
> received/appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Eleanor 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 29 Apr 2020, at 22:20, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, once you have got your applications by using shift command A and you’ve 
>> found the application you want then it’s command O to open it. Or you  you 
>> could also use VO D to bring up the Doc and you can find a lot of 
>> Applications in there as well. 
>> 
>>> On 30/04/2020, at 08:26, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It appears to be working as it should.  It sounds like File Vault 2 is 
>>> enabled.  File Vault 2 encrypts your disk so that it is more secure.  After 
>>> shutdown or restart, this basic login will present itself.  So, if it says 
>>> "Username", and if you named your user "Eleanor", or "Eleanor Roberts", 
>>> then simply enter that when the "username" announcement is announced.  
>>> Press return, then "Password" will be announced.  Enter the password and 
>>> press return, wait 30 seconds or so and you're good to go.  If you log out, 
>>> it will present the regular login screen.  This only presents upon shutdown 
>>> or restart.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 14:18, 'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
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>>> Hi all 
>>> 
>>> Really really hoping someone can help with this. I have just had my Mac 
>>> back after having to send it away for repair as it decided to crash/stop 
>>> working completely. They appear to have done a clean install of Katalena. I 
>>> have spent this evening re-setting it up with a friend. However, we are 
>>> really struggling with VoiceOver. We went into system preferences and 
>>> accessibility and enabled VO. We then went into users and groups, log-in 
>>> options and accessibility options, and ticked the box that said about 
>>> enabling VO from the start. However, this does not appear to have worked. 
>>> Every time I now start my Mac VO literally says the word “username” and 
>>> nothing more. It won’t tell me where I’m navigating on the screen or 
>>> anything like that. So I literally can’t enter my password and log in 
>>> myself. So was just wondering if anyone else has had/is having this problem 
>>> with Katalena? Could anyone please send me a set of idiotproof instructions 
>>> as to how I can set up VO properly and fix this problem please??? Any help 
>>> really would be much appreciated, as what’s the point in having a Mac when 
>>> VO won’t even speak to me to enable me to log in!!! 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give. 
>>> 
>>> Eleanor 
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Re: GPS Apps

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I can’t comment on that as I’ve never used Blind squared. 

> On 30/04/2020, at 10:43, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> What’s supposed to be the difference between Lazarillo and blind square?  
> I’ve used both, and from what I can tell, they seem to be vary similar, other 
> than one is a free app, and one is a paid app.
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 6:27 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>> I tried Lazarillo in Spain as I was on holiday and it was hopeless. It was 
>> reporting streets & places in a chaotic way. So I ‘m afraid I’m disappointed 
>> in this app.
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>>> Hello Petrus,
>>> Many thanks for the tip on Lazarillo. I took it for a trial run this 
>>> morning and it worked pretty well.I particularly like it voicing the 
>>> compass direction in which I am walking.
>>> One aspect which puzzles me is that it usually tells me that a named side 
>>> road is x meters in front of me even when the road in question is just a 
>>> side road and not a cross road. Occasionally it very helpfully tells me 
>>> that the side road is to my left or my right. I cannot figure out why it 
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Re: GPS Apps

[Petrus Tuerlings]

It could have been the fault of the App, but it could have been other factors 
as well. It depends on where one is to how accurate the info will be, as GPS  
relies on satellites so the app will try and work with the info it is getting.  
Also if one is in a city the buildings can effect how much signal your phone 
will get from the GPS  satellites and how many are managing to send a signal to 
you between the building. Not sure if changing the location on your phone will 
help either if you are using a GPS  app in another country then the one you 
live in.  The lazarillo app certainly isn’t perfect, but it’s not to bad for a 
free app.  

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> I tried Lazarillo in Spain as I was on holiday and it was hopeless. It was 
> reporting streets & places in a chaotic way. So I ‘m afraid I’m disappointed 
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>> 
>> Hello Petrus,
>> Many thanks for the tip on Lazarillo. I took it for a trial run this morning 
>> and it worked pretty well.I particularly like it voicing the compass 
>> direction in which I am walking.
>> One aspect which puzzles me is that it usually tells me that a named side 
>> road is x meters in front of me even when the road in question is just a 
>> side road and not a cross road. Occasionally it very helpfully tells me that 
>> the side road is to my left or my right. I cannot figure out why it only 
>> does this on rare occasions. Any thoughts on this?
>> Many thanks and best regards … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Urgent query re setting up my Mac and the log-in screen with Voiceover

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Oh, once you have got your applications by using shift command A and you’ve 
found the application you want then it’s command O to open it. Or you  you 
could also use VO D to bring up the Doc and you can find a lot of Applications 
in there as well. 

> On 30/04/2020, at 08:26, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> It appears to be working as it should.  It sounds like File Vault 2 is 
> enabled.  File Vault 2 encrypts your disk so that it is more secure.  After 
> shutdown or restart, this basic login will present itself.  So, if it says 
> "Username", and if you named your user "Eleanor", or "Eleanor Roberts", then 
> simply enter that when the "username" announcement is announced.  Press 
> return, then "Password" will be announced.  Enter the password and press 
> return, wait 30 seconds or so and you're good to go.  If you log out, it will 
> present the regular login screen.  This only presents upon shutdown or 
> restart.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> 
> On Apr 29, 2020, at 14:18, 'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Hi all 
> 
> Really really hoping someone can help with this. I have just had my Mac back 
> after having to send it away for repair as it decided to crash/stop working 
> completely. They appear to have done a clean install of Katalena. I have 
> spent this evening re-setting it up with a friend. However, we are really 
> struggling with VoiceOver. We went into system preferences and accessibility 
> and enabled VO. We then went into users and groups, log-in options and 
> accessibility options, and ticked the box that said about enabling VO from 
> the start. However, this does not appear to have worked. Every time I now 
> start my Mac VO literally says the word “username” and nothing more. It won’t 
> tell me where I’m navigating on the screen or anything like that. So I 
> literally can’t enter my password and log in myself. So was just wondering if 
> anyone else has had/is having this problem with Katalena? Could anyone please 
> send me a set of idiotproof instructions as to how I can set up VO properly 
> and fix this problem please??? Any help really would be much appreciated, as 
> what’s the point in having a Mac when VO won’t even speak to me to enable me 
> to log in!!! 
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give. 
> 
> Eleanor 
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Re: Urgent query re setting up my Mac and the log-in screen with Voiceover

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Shift command A will bring up your Applications. And VO M will bring up the 
menu for your system Preferences and you can also get to the App Store there as 
well, just arrow up and down the menu. VO MM will bring up the Menu extras too. 
 

> On 30/04/2020, at 09:09, 'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all 
> 
> Thanks so much for this info. Had no idea it would have an impact. Will 
> definitely disable Filevault 
> 
> While I’m on, just another question. From the desktop what is the best way to 
> access things like system preferences, the app store, mail, etc using VO?? 
> All the settings etc I had before have all obviously been lost, and it’s been 
> so many years since the Mac was first set up I’ve got no idea/just can’t 
> remember how to do it/get to those areas. 
> 
> Again, any help greatly appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Eleanor 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Apr 2020, at 21:26, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It appears to be working as it should.  It sounds like File Vault 2 is 
>> enabled.  File Vault 2 encrypts your disk so that it is more secure.  After 
>> shutdown or restart, this basic login will present itself.  So, if it says 
>> "Username", and if you named your user "Eleanor", or "Eleanor Roberts", then 
>> simply enter that when the "username" announcement is announced.  Press 
>> return, then "Password" will be announced.  Enter the password and press 
>> return, wait 30 seconds or so and you're good to go.  If you log out, it 
>> will present the regular login screen.  This only presents upon shutdown or 
>> restart.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 14:18, 'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all 
>> 
>> Really really hoping someone can help with this. I have just had my Mac back 
>> after having to send it away for repair as it decided to crash/stop working 
>> completely. They appear to have done a clean install of Katalena. I have 
>> spent this evening re-setting it up with a friend. However, we are really 
>> struggling with VoiceOver. We went into system preferences and accessibility 
>> and enabled VO. We then went into users and groups, log-in options and 
>> accessibility options, and ticked the box that said about enabling VO from 
>> the start. However, this does not appear to have worked. Every time I now 
>> start my Mac VO literally says the word “username” and nothing more. It 
>> won’t tell me where I’m navigating on the screen or anything like that. So I 
>> literally can’t enter my password and log in myself. So was just wondering 
>> if anyone else has had/is having this problem with Katalena? Could anyone 
>> please send me a set of idiotproof instructions as to how I can set up VO 
>> properly and fix this problem please??? Any help really would be much 
>> appreciated, as what’s the point in having a Mac when VO won’t even speak to 
>> me to enable me to log in!!! 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give. 
>> 
>> Eleanor 
>> 
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Re: GPS Apps

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Sorry, can’t really help with that one. GPS technology depends on a lot of 
things. How many GPS  signals your phone is picking up to triangulate your 
position can effect it and I’ve heard that even cloud cover can effect it .  
Suppose the orientation of your phone and weather you have it in a pocket or 
not can effect it too, but I just opened the app as I’m sitting inside at my 
table and it told me that the cemetery and bus stop is 112m to my south which 
is correct. And it does get updated quite regularly so it c could just be a bug 
that will get fixed at some point. You can also open the category filter so you 
can change what it tells you if you don’t want to know about entertainment 
places and shops and so on. 
It’s not to  bad for a free app..

> On 30/04/2020, at 00:27, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello Petrus,
> Many thanks for the tip on Lazarillo. I took it for a trial run this morning 
> and it worked pretty well.I particularly like it voicing the compass 
> direction in which I am walking.
> One aspect which puzzles me is that it usually tells me that a named side 
> road is x meters in front of me even when the road in question is just a side 
> road and not a cross road. Occasionally it very helpfully tells me that the 
> side road is to my left or my right. I cannot figure out why it only does 
> this on rare occasions. Any thoughts on this?
> Many thanks and best regards … Paul Hopewell
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Re: GPS Apps

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Have you tried Lazarillo? I think it is free as well. 

> On 28/04/2020, at 01:26, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello,
> I currently use an obsolete version of the Tom Tom App on my iPhone to 
> navigate on my daily walk. 
> When I press the “help me” button this very helpfully say something like “I 
> am on Kingsway between Merdon Avenue 80 yards and Rufus Close 30 yards”. I 
> find this most useful but as it is an obsolete app it will not run for ever 
> and I need to find an alternative.
> The Apps I have tried like Apple Maps tell me the street name and nearest 
> house number but as our house numbering system in the UK is not always 
> consistent this is not too helpful.
> Does anyone know of a GPS app which is as helpful as the Tom Tom app? Note 
> that I am not really interested in the nearest shops and so on.
> Many thanks … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Encryption which works on both IOS and Mac OS

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Have you got your Touch ID Or Face ID enabled on your phone depending on  your 
device? If you have your phone protected with a pin code and one of the 
aforementioned options  you should be ok. 

> On 28/04/2020, at 00:38, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello,,
> I have some sensitive files which I want to store in an encrypted form on 
> iCloud drive so that I can access them from both my iPhone and iMac. I know 
> that files on iCloud drive are encrypted but my concern is that someone might 
> steal my iPhone and use the Files App to quickly look at iCloud drive and 
> thereby see the sensitive files.
> I would welcome any suggestions.
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