Re: Hot Macbook Pro Controlling Fan

2011-05-24 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Might be useful.  I don't think I need to have it for my 15 inch Mac book pro; 
but, on the other hand, just might be useful to have.  Thanks.


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On May 23, 2011, at 9:50 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:

 Kimberly,
 
 Since that post, I've figured out some of the answers.  First, 
 SMCFanControler doesn't work with VoiceOver.  But, FanControler version 1.2 
 does.  I'd tried it earlier  couldn't figure where it disappeared too, after 
 the install.  I went back  did some more checking.  Well, long story short, 
 after it's installed it appears, as a button, in the system's preferences.  
 
 You simply click it  then you can set the base RPM for your fans, the low 
 range of temp @ which the fans cut in  the high range @ which they go in to 
 hyper drive.  It's working flawlessly  my machine is already cooler.  I 
 shudder to think @ what temp it has been running.
 
 Apparently, judging from all the posts that I found on the subject.  it's a 
 pretty common problem.  I'm going to do some more research  try running my 
 Mac on the AC power with out the battery installed.  If anyone else has any 
 other thoughts, then please join in.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On May 23, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
 
 My Macbook Pro only gets hot when I run Windows in VMware Fusion while I am 
 also charging it.  Once it gets so hot, speech does tend to stutter.  I have 
 8 gigs of ram and my unit is a late 2009 Macbook Pro 13 inch.  If I just run 
 OSX, my MPB stays as cool as can be.
 On May 23, 2011, at 9:47 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 My Macbook III Pro gets hot.  I'm talk'n hot!  I mean it's Saturday night 
 in Chicago in the Roaring 20's hot.
 
 When it happens, the machine in general  VO in particular just don't 
 function so well.  So, I found a program called SMCFanControler.  
 Unfortunately, when I try to run the application, VO just tells me that 
 SMCFanControler doesn't have any windows.  Anyone else dealing with a hot 
 Mac, a nonfunctioning fan controller problem?  Inquiring minds  burning 
 hot pants want to know!
 
 Thanks for any advice,
 
 CJ
 
 P.S. Does anyone smell something burning?
 
 
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Re: Hot Macbook Pro Controlling Fan

2011-05-24 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I also confirm that if I run windows under VM, my Mac gets hot and the fan 
runs.  However, if I only run the Mac then I have a cool Mac.  I have the 13 
inch Macbook Pro purchased last year.

Kawal.
On 24 May 2011, at 03:33, Kimberly thurman wrote:

 My Macbook Pro only gets hot when I run Windows in VMware Fusion while I am 
 also charging it.  Once it gets so hot, speech does tend to stutter.  I have 
 8 gigs of ram and my unit is a late 2009 Macbook Pro 13 inch.  If I just run 
 OSX, my MPB stays as cool as can be.
 On May 23, 2011, at 9:47 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 My Macbook III Pro gets hot.  I'm talk'n hot!  I mean it's Saturday night in 
 Chicago in the Roaring 20's hot.
 
 When it happens, the machine in general  VO in particular just don't 
 function so well.  So, I found a program called SMCFanControler.  
 Unfortunately, when I try to run the application, VO just tells me that 
 SMCFanControler doesn't have any windows.  Anyone else dealing with a hot 
 Mac, a nonfunctioning fan controller problem?  Inquiring minds  burning hot 
 pants want to know!
 
 Thanks for any advice,
 
 CJ
 
 P.S. Does anyone smell something burning?
 
 
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Re: Hot Macbook Pro Controlling Fan

2011-05-24 Thread Zachary Kline
Hot is a relative term.  I still find my mbp the coolest computer overall i've 
ever owned.  I rarely ever notice the fan turning on, it's quiet most all of 
the time.  I've the late 2010 model.
Best,
Zack.
On May 24, 2011, at 5:07 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

 I also confirm that if I run windows under VM, my Mac gets hot and the fan 
 runs.  However, if I only run the Mac then I have a cool Mac.  I have the 13 
 inch Macbook Pro purchased last year.
 
 Kawal.
 On 24 May 2011, at 03:33, Kimberly thurman wrote:
 
 My Macbook Pro only gets hot when I run Windows in VMware Fusion while I am 
 also charging it.  Once it gets so hot, speech does tend to stutter.  I have 
 8 gigs of ram and my unit is a late 2009 Macbook Pro 13 inch.  If I just run 
 OSX, my MPB stays as cool as can be.
 On May 23, 2011, at 9:47 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 My Macbook III Pro gets hot.  I'm talk'n hot!  I mean it's Saturday night 
 in Chicago in the Roaring 20's hot.
 
 When it happens, the machine in general  VO in particular just don't 
 function so well.  So, I found a program called SMCFanControler.  
 Unfortunately, when I try to run the application, VO just tells me that 
 SMCFanControler doesn't have any windows.  Anyone else dealing with a hot 
 Mac, a nonfunctioning fan controller problem?  Inquiring minds  burning 
 hot pants want to know!
 
 Thanks for any advice,
 
 CJ
 
 P.S. Does anyone smell something burning?
 
 
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Re: Hot Macbook Pro Controlling Fan

2011-05-24 Thread Pete Nalda
I have the late 2008 model MBPro and the only time it gets hot on my bare legs 
and the fan comes on, is when I'm streaming flash video or playing with x-plane 
with Zoom turned on.  I though about one of those lap stands but don't know how 
much I really need it.

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Subject: Re: Hot Macbook Pro  Controlling Fan

I also confirm that if I run windows under VM, my Mac gets hot and the fan 
runs.  However, if I only run the Mac then I have a cool Mac.  I have the 13 
inch Macbook Pro purchased last year.

Kawal.
On 24 May 2011, at 03:33, Kimberly thurman wrote:

 My Macbook Pro only gets hot when I run Windows in VMware Fusion while I am 
 also charging it.  Once it gets so hot, speech does tend to stutter.  I have 
 8 gigs of ram and my unit is a late 2009 Macbook Pro 13 inch.  If I just run 
 OSX, my MPB stays as cool as can be.
 On May 23, 2011, at 9:47 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 My Macbook III Pro gets hot.  I'm talk'n hot!  I mean it's Saturday night in 
 Chicago in the Roaring 20's hot.
 
 When it happens, the machine in general  VO in particular just don't 
 function so well.  So, I found a program called SMCFanControler.  
 Unfortunately, when I try to run the application, VO just tells me that 
 SMCFanControler doesn't have any windows.  Anyone else dealing with a hot 
 Mac, a nonfunctioning fan controller problem?  Inquiring minds  burning hot 
 pants want to know!
 
 Thanks for any advice,
 
 CJ
 
 P.S. Does anyone smell something burning?
 
 
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Re: Hot Macbook Pro Controlling Fan

2011-05-24 Thread Ashley Cox
try putting it on a table for a start. if it's getting that hot, send it 
in for  repair, or maybe you've got something wrong with your OS; do a 
hardware check (you'll need sighted help), if all else fails reinstall 
the OS, and if not you've a hardware problem that you really need to get 
sorted.


You can download an app called temperature monitor that will tell you 
the exact temps of the parts in your computer.

ash

On 24/05/2011 02:47, CJ Daniel wrote:

Hello All,

My Macbook III Pro gets hot.  I'm talk'n hot!  I mean it's Saturday night in 
Chicago in the Roaring 20's hot.

When it happens, the machine in general  VO in particular just don't function so 
well.  So, I found a program called SMCFanControler.  Unfortunately, when I try to run 
the application, VO just tells me that SMCFanControler doesn't have any windows.  
Anyone else dealing with a hot Mac, a nonfunctioning fan controller problem?  Inquiring 
minds  burning hot pants want to know!

Thanks for any advice,

CJ

P.S. Does anyone smell something burning?




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Re: Hot Macbook Pro Controlling Fan

2011-05-24 Thread Kimberly thurman
C.J., thanks for this.  I will give it a look.  :)
On May 23, 2011, at 10:50 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:

 Kimberly,
 
 Since that post, I've figured out some of the answers.  First, 
 SMCFanControler doesn't work with VoiceOver.  But, FanControler version 1.2 
 does.  I'd tried it earlier  couldn't figure where it disappeared too, after 
 the install.  I went back  did some more checking.  Well, long story short, 
 after it's installed it appears, as a button, in the system's preferences.  
 
 You simply click it  then you can set the base RPM for your fans, the low 
 range of temp @ which the fans cut in  the high range @ which they go in to 
 hyper drive.  It's working flawlessly  my machine is already cooler.  I 
 shudder to think @ what temp it has been running.
 
 Apparently, judging from all the posts that I found on the subject.  it's a 
 pretty common problem.  I'm going to do some more research  try running my 
 Mac on the AC power with out the battery installed.  If anyone else has any 
 other thoughts, then please join in.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On May 23, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
 
 My Macbook Pro only gets hot when I run Windows in VMware Fusion while I am 
 also charging it.  Once it gets so hot, speech does tend to stutter.  I have 
 8 gigs of ram and my unit is a late 2009 Macbook Pro 13 inch.  If I just run 
 OSX, my MPB stays as cool as can be.
 On May 23, 2011, at 9:47 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 My Macbook III Pro gets hot.  I'm talk'n hot!  I mean it's Saturday night 
 in Chicago in the Roaring 20's hot.
 
 When it happens, the machine in general  VO in particular just don't 
 function so well.  So, I found a program called SMCFanControler.  
 Unfortunately, when I try to run the application, VO just tells me that 
 SMCFanControler doesn't have any windows.  Anyone else dealing with a hot 
 Mac, a nonfunctioning fan controller problem?  Inquiring minds  burning 
 hot pants want to know!
 
 Thanks for any advice,
 
 CJ
 
 P.S. Does anyone smell something burning?
 
 
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Re: Hot Macbook Pro Controlling Fan

2011-05-24 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Yep.  Let me tell yuh, when you look at the teps your GPU is running at, it's 
mighty frightening.  My lwo threshhold is set to 140Degrees f, and that's the 
100% setting on the slider.  My high threshhold is set to 60% which is 
180DegreesF.  The default base RPM setting is 2000, according to a forum I 
looked at.


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barefootedray

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On May 24, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

 C.J., thanks for this.  I will give it a look.  :)
 On May 23, 2011, at 10:50 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Kimberly,
 
 Since that post, I've figured out some of the answers.  First, 
 SMCFanControler doesn't work with VoiceOver.  But, FanControler version 1.2 
 does.  I'd tried it earlier  couldn't figure where it disappeared too, 
 after the install.  I went back  did some more checking.  Well, long story 
 short, after it's installed it appears, as a button, in the system's 
 preferences.  
 
 You simply click it  then you can set the base RPM for your fans, the low 
 range of temp @ which the fans cut in  the high range @ which they go in to 
 hyper drive.  It's working flawlessly  my machine is already cooler.  I 
 shudder to think @ what temp it has been running.
 
 Apparently, judging from all the posts that I found on the subject.  it's a 
 pretty common problem.  I'm going to do some more research  try running my 
 Mac on the AC power with out the battery installed.  If anyone else has any 
 other thoughts, then please join in.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On May 23, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
 
 My Macbook Pro only gets hot when I run Windows in VMware Fusion while I am 
 also charging it.  Once it gets so hot, speech does tend to stutter.  I 
 have 8 gigs of ram and my unit is a late 2009 Macbook Pro 13 inch.  If I 
 just run OSX, my MPB stays as cool as can be.
 On May 23, 2011, at 9:47 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 My Macbook III Pro gets hot.  I'm talk'n hot!  I mean it's Saturday night 
 in Chicago in the Roaring 20's hot.
 
 When it happens, the machine in general  VO in particular just don't 
 function so well.  So, I found a program called SMCFanControler.  
 Unfortunately, when I try to run the application, VO just tells me that 
 SMCFanControler doesn't have any windows.  Anyone else dealing with a hot 
 Mac, a nonfunctioning fan controller problem?  Inquiring minds  burning 
 hot pants want to know!
 
 Thanks for any advice,
 
 CJ
 
 P.S. Does anyone smell something burning?
 
 
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Re: Hot Macbook Pro Controlling Fan

2011-05-24 Thread CJ Daniel
Ray,  

Thanks for sharing those settings.  In all these replies, I've sensed that some 
folks think their fans are only coming on when the machine is hot.  Based on my 
research, my machine  a lot of posts on the subject elsewhere on the net, I'm 
pretty sure that what their perceiving as the fan coming on is actually the fan 
in High Threshold Mode @ really high RPM's.  When in fact, the sound probably 
associated with the laptop's general operations is the fan in normal mode.  


CJ
On May 24, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

 Yep.  Let me tell yuh, when you look at the teps your GPU is running at, it's 
 mighty frightening.  My lwo threshhold is set to 140Degrees f, and that's the 
 100% setting on the slider.  My high threshhold is set to 60% which is 
 180DegreesF.  The default base RPM setting is 2000, according to a forum I 
 looked at.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 Facebook:
 facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
 
 
 
 On May 24, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
 
 C.J., thanks for this.  I will give it a look.  :)
 On May 23, 2011, at 10:50 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Kimberly,
 
 Since that post, I've figured out some of the answers.  First, 
 SMCFanControler doesn't work with VoiceOver.  But, FanControler version 1.2 
 does.  I'd tried it earlier  couldn't figure where it disappeared too, 
 after the install.  I went back  did some more checking.  Well, long story 
 short, after it's installed it appears, as a button, in the system's 
 preferences.  
 
 You simply click it  then you can set the base RPM for your fans, the low 
 range of temp @ which the fans cut in  the high range @ which they go in 
 to hyper drive.  It's working flawlessly  my machine is already cooler.  I 
 shudder to think @ what temp it has been running.
 
 Apparently, judging from all the posts that I found on the subject.  it's a 
 pretty common problem.  I'm going to do some more research  try running my 
 Mac on the AC power with out the battery installed.  If anyone else has any 
 other thoughts, then please join in.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On May 23, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
 
 My Macbook Pro only gets hot when I run Windows in VMware Fusion while I 
 am also charging it.  Once it gets so hot, speech does tend to stutter.  I 
 have 8 gigs of ram and my unit is a late 2009 Macbook Pro 13 inch.  If I 
 just run OSX, my MPB stays as cool as can be.
 On May 23, 2011, at 9:47 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 My Macbook III Pro gets hot.  I'm talk'n hot!  I mean it's Saturday night 
 in Chicago in the Roaring 20's hot.
 
 When it happens, the machine in general  VO in particular just don't 
 function so well.  So, I found a program called SMCFanControler.  
 Unfortunately, when I try to run the application, VO just tells me that 
 SMCFanControler doesn't have any windows.  Anyone else dealing with a hot 
 Mac, a nonfunctioning fan controller problem?  Inquiring minds  burning 
 hot pants want to know!
 
 Thanks for any advice,
 
 CJ
 
 P.S. Does anyone smell something burning?
 
 
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Re: Hot Macbook Pro Controlling Fan

2011-05-24 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Yeah, that was what I sort of gathered too.  Bear in mind the fact that I do 
not remember what the default low and high threshhold settings are.  The forum 
I saw did not seem to reveal those.  Here's what my playing around with the app 
seemed to reveal.

1.  The lower you set the low threshhold, the more likely your fans are to push 
harder to keep your GPU cooler.  That's because the lower threshhold sets the 
trigger temperature at which the fans begin to come out of their base RPM 
settings.  The trade off is that if you set the low threshhold at 100%, the 
fans are more likely to stay at or else very close to the base RPM settings.  
That's because at the low threshhold settings, the fans are triggered to come 
out of their base RPM's becaus that threshhold setting will most always 
override the base RPM settings.  

2.  The high threshhold setting is the setting at which the fans are triggered 
in to their maximum number of possible RPM settings.  This is the setting at 
which the temperature of the GPU is judged to be hot enough to cause this 
trigger point to occur.  If this high threshhold is set all the way down to 0% 
(158DegreesF) the fans will trigger to their maximum RPM settings every single 
time you run an app or a process which pulls on the GPU.  If, for example, you 
cause your GPU to attain a temperature of 159DegreesF, and your high level 
threshhold is set to 0% on the slider, (158DegreesF) the fans will be caused to 
assume their maximum number of RPM's very rapidly.  

In order to determin the best and most sensable settings for your fans 
if using fan control, try the following method:

1.  Launch Fan control.

2.  Launch the app which you know pulls hardest on your GPU.

3.  Within that app, begin the process which you know causes the hardest pull 
on your GPU.

4.  Now, command tap to the Fan control window and carefully monitor the 
temperature progress bar which can be found next to the RPM bars of each of 
your fans.  Note the highest temperature settings for each fan bar; or, if your 
Mac has only one fan, monitor that temperature bar and do so very closely.  
Make note of the highest temperature attained.

5.  Now, do the same for the normal stand by conditions you have when you're 
just letting your Mac sit there or doing some light task which does not pull 
hard on the GPU.

6.  Now, armed with that data, Set your low threshhold to the percentage which 
best matches that stand by temperature.

7.  Now, taking your high temperature data you aquired earlier, set your high 
threshhold to the point of percentage which best matches it.

HTH.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1



On May 24, 2011, at 6:47 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:

 Ray,  
 
 Thanks for sharing those settings.  In all these replies, I've sensed that 
 some folks think their fans are only coming on when the machine is hot.  
 Based on my research, my machine  a lot of posts on the subject elsewhere on 
 the net, I'm pretty sure that what their perceiving as the fan coming on is 
 actually the fan in High Threshold Mode @ really high RPM's.  When in fact, 
 the sound probably associated with the laptop's general operations is the fan 
 in normal mode.  
 
 
 CJ
 On May 24, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 
 Yep.  Let me tell yuh, when you look at the teps your GPU is running at, 
 it's mighty frightening.  My lwo threshhold is set to 140Degrees f, and 
 that's the 100% setting on the slider.  My high threshhold is set to 60% 
 which is 180DegreesF.  The default base RPM setting is 2000, according to a 
 forum I looked at.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 Facebook:
 facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
 
 
 
 On May 24, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
 
 C.J., thanks for this.  I will give it a look.  :)
 On May 23, 2011, at 10:50 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Kimberly,
 
 Since that post, I've figured out some of the answers.  First, 
 SMCFanControler doesn't work with VoiceOver.  But, FanControler version 
 1.2 does.  I'd tried it earlier  couldn't figure where it disappeared 
 too, after the install.  I went back  did some more checking.  Well, long 
 story short, after it's installed it appears, as a button, in the system's 
 preferences.  
 
 You simply click it  then you can set the base RPM for your fans, the low 
 range of temp @ which the fans cut in  the high range @ which they go in 
 to hyper drive.  It's working flawlessly  my machine is already cooler.  
 I shudder to think @ what temp it has been running.
 
 Apparently, judging from all the posts that I found on the subject.  it's 
 a pretty common problem.  I'm going to do some more research  try running 
 my Mac on the AC power with out the battery installed.  If anyone else has 
 any other thoughts, then please join in.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On May 

Re: Hot Macbook Pro Controlling Fan

2011-05-24 Thread Mike Arrigo
My macbook gets a bit warm on the bottom, but never hot, much cooler than the 
PC laptops I've worked with.
On May 24, 2011, at 5:34 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

 Might be useful.  I don't think I need to have it for my 15 inch Mac book 
 pro; but, on the other hand, just might be useful to have.  Thanks.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 Facebook:
 facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
 
 
 
 On May 23, 2011, at 9:50 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Kimberly,
 
 Since that post, I've figured out some of the answers.  First, 
 SMCFanControler doesn't work with VoiceOver.  But, FanControler version 1.2 
 does.  I'd tried it earlier  couldn't figure where it disappeared too, 
 after the install.  I went back  did some more checking.  Well, long story 
 short, after it's installed it appears, as a button, in the system's 
 preferences.  
 
 You simply click it  then you can set the base RPM for your fans, the low 
 range of temp @ which the fans cut in  the high range @ which they go in to 
 hyper drive.  It's working flawlessly  my machine is already cooler.  I 
 shudder to think @ what temp it has been running.
 
 Apparently, judging from all the posts that I found on the subject.  it's a 
 pretty common problem.  I'm going to do some more research  try running my 
 Mac on the AC power with out the battery installed.  If anyone else has any 
 other thoughts, then please join in.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On May 23, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
 
 My Macbook Pro only gets hot when I run Windows in VMware Fusion while I am 
 also charging it.  Once it gets so hot, speech does tend to stutter.  I 
 have 8 gigs of ram and my unit is a late 2009 Macbook Pro 13 inch.  If I 
 just run OSX, my MPB stays as cool as can be.
 On May 23, 2011, at 9:47 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 My Macbook III Pro gets hot.  I'm talk'n hot!  I mean it's Saturday night 
 in Chicago in the Roaring 20's hot.
 
 When it happens, the machine in general  VO in particular just don't 
 function so well.  So, I found a program called SMCFanControler.  
 Unfortunately, when I try to run the application, VO just tells me that 
 SMCFanControler doesn't have any windows.  Anyone else dealing with a hot 
 Mac, a nonfunctioning fan controller problem?  Inquiring minds  burning 
 hot pants want to know!
 
 Thanks for any advice,
 
 CJ
 
 P.S. Does anyone smell something burning?
 
 
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Re: Hot Macbook Pro Controlling Fan

2011-05-24 Thread CJ Daniel
Ray,

That's great!  I hadn't gotten that scientific in my approach, yet.  I have 
started keeping a post, from time to time, that has something that I know I 
will refer to in the future.  I'm going to add this post to that file.

Again, thanks,

CJ


On May 24, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

 Yeah, that was what I sort of gathered too.  Bear in mind the fact that I do 
 not remember what the default low and high threshhold settings are.  The 
 forum I saw did not seem to reveal those.  Here's what my playing around with 
 the app seemed to reveal.
 
 1.  The lower you set the low threshhold, the more likely your fans are to 
 push harder to keep your GPU cooler.  That's because the lower threshhold 
 sets the trigger temperature at which the fans begin to come out of their 
 base RPM settings.  The trade off is that if you set the low threshhold at 
 100%, the fans are more likely to stay at or else very close to the base RPM 
 settings.  That's because at the low threshhold settings, the fans are 
 triggered to come out of their base RPM's becaus that threshhold setting will 
 most always override the base RPM settings.  
 
 2.  The high threshhold setting is the setting at which the fans are 
 triggered in to their maximum number of possible RPM settings.  This is the 
 setting at which the temperature of the GPU is judged to be hot enough to 
 cause this trigger point to occur.  If this high threshhold is set all the 
 way down to 0% (158DegreesF) the fans will trigger to their maximum RPM 
 settings every single time you run an app or a process which pulls on the 
 GPU.  If, for example, you cause your GPU to attain a temperature of 
 159DegreesF, and your high level threshhold is set to 0% on the slider, 
 (158DegreesF) the fans will be caused to assume their maximum number of RPM's 
 very rapidly.  
 
   In order to determin the best and most sensable settings for your fans 
 if using fan control, try the following method:
 
 1.  Launch Fan control.
 
 2.  Launch the app which you know pulls hardest on your GPU.
 
 3.  Within that app, begin the process which you know causes the hardest pull 
 on your GPU.
 
 4.  Now, command tap to the Fan control window and carefully monitor the 
 temperature progress bar which can be found next to the RPM bars of each of 
 your fans.  Note the highest temperature settings for each fan bar; or, if 
 your Mac has only one fan, monitor that temperature bar and do so very 
 closely.  Make note of the highest temperature attained.
 
 5.  Now, do the same for the normal stand by conditions you have when you're 
 just letting your Mac sit there or doing some light task which does not pull 
 hard on the GPU.
 
 6.  Now, armed with that data, Set your low threshhold to the percentage 
 which best matches that stand by temperature.
 
 7.  Now, taking your high temperature data you aquired earlier, set your high 
 threshhold to the point of percentage which best matches it.
 
 HTH.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 Facebook:
 facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
 
 
 
 On May 24, 2011, at 6:47 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Ray,  
 
 Thanks for sharing those settings.  In all these replies, I've sensed that 
 some folks think their fans are only coming on when the machine is hot.  
 Based on my research, my machine  a lot of posts on the subject elsewhere 
 on the net, I'm pretty sure that what their perceiving as the fan coming on 
 is actually the fan in High Threshold Mode @ really high RPM's.  When in 
 fact, the sound probably associated with the laptop's general operations is 
 the fan in normal mode.  
 
 
 CJ
 On May 24, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 
 Yep.  Let me tell yuh, when you look at the teps your GPU is running at, 
 it's mighty frightening.  My lwo threshhold is set to 140Degrees f, and 
 that's the 100% setting on the slider.  My high threshhold is set to 60% 
 which is 180DegreesF.  The default base RPM setting is 2000, according to a 
 forum I looked at.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 Facebook:
 facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
 
 
 
 On May 24, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
 
 C.J., thanks for this.  I will give it a look.  :)
 On May 23, 2011, at 10:50 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Kimberly,
 
 Since that post, I've figured out some of the answers.  First, 
 SMCFanControler doesn't work with VoiceOver.  But, FanControler version 
 1.2 does.  I'd tried it earlier  couldn't figure where it disappeared 
 too, after the install.  I went back  did some more checking.  Well, 
 long story short, after it's installed it appears, as a button, in the 
 system's preferences.  
 
 You simply click it  then you can set the base RPM for your fans, the 
 low range of temp @ which the fans cut in  the high range @ which they 
 go in to hyper drive.  It's working flawlessly  my 

Re: Hot Macbook Pro Controlling Fan

2011-05-24 Thread CJ Daniel
A bit warm on the bottom is okay.  In fact, the entire bottom of the 
single-form-factor metal Macs is designed as a heat release.  In studying this 
subject, I'm finding that this problem is especially related to the Intel Macs 
 particularly the dual core machines.  As Ray mentioned in an earlier post, 
the problem is much more noticeable when applications that really work the CPU 
are being ran.  If you're a typical user, Safari, Mail, word processing  etc, 
then you may never notice the problem.

CJ


On May 24, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

 My macbook gets a bit warm on the bottom, but never hot, much cooler than the 
 PC laptops I've worked with.
 On May 24, 2011, at 5:34 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 
 Might be useful.  I don't think I need to have it for my 15 inch Mac book 
 pro; but, on the other hand, just might be useful to have.  Thanks.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 Facebook:
 facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
 
 
 
 On May 23, 2011, at 9:50 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Kimberly,
 
 Since that post, I've figured out some of the answers.  First, 
 SMCFanControler doesn't work with VoiceOver.  But, FanControler version 1.2 
 does.  I'd tried it earlier  couldn't figure where it disappeared too, 
 after the install.  I went back  did some more checking.  Well, long story 
 short, after it's installed it appears, as a button, in the system's 
 preferences.  
 
 You simply click it  then you can set the base RPM for your fans, the low 
 range of temp @ which the fans cut in  the high range @ which they go in 
 to hyper drive.  It's working flawlessly  my machine is already cooler.  I 
 shudder to think @ what temp it has been running.
 
 Apparently, judging from all the posts that I found on the subject.  it's a 
 pretty common problem.  I'm going to do some more research  try running my 
 Mac on the AC power with out the battery installed.  If anyone else has any 
 other thoughts, then please join in.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On May 23, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
 
 My Macbook Pro only gets hot when I run Windows in VMware Fusion while I 
 am also charging it.  Once it gets so hot, speech does tend to stutter.  I 
 have 8 gigs of ram and my unit is a late 2009 Macbook Pro 13 inch.  If I 
 just run OSX, my MPB stays as cool as can be.
 On May 23, 2011, at 9:47 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 My Macbook III Pro gets hot.  I'm talk'n hot!  I mean it's Saturday night 
 in Chicago in the Roaring 20's hot.
 
 When it happens, the machine in general  VO in particular just don't 
 function so well.  So, I found a program called SMCFanControler.  
 Unfortunately, when I try to run the application, VO just tells me that 
 SMCFanControler doesn't have any windows.  Anyone else dealing with a hot 
 Mac, a nonfunctioning fan controller problem?  Inquiring minds  burning 
 hot pants want to know!
 
 Thanks for any advice,
 
 CJ
 
 P.S. Does anyone smell something burning?
 
 
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Re: Hot Macbook Pro Controlling Fan

2011-05-24 Thread Ray Foret Jr
You might want to add in that the base RPM by default is 2000.  OF course, you 
can set it anywhere in the range you want to, but, if you run on batteries a 
lot, the higher the base RPM, the cooler the GPU but the greater the drain on 
battery.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1



On May 24, 2011, at 9:31 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:

 Ray,
 
 That's great!  I hadn't gotten that scientific in my approach, yet.  I have 
 started keeping a post, from time to time, that has something that I know I 
 will refer to in the future.  I'm going to add this post to that file.
 
 Again, thanks,
 
 CJ
 
 
 On May 24, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 
 Yeah, that was what I sort of gathered too.  Bear in mind the fact that I do 
 not remember what the default low and high threshhold settings are.  The 
 forum I saw did not seem to reveal those.  Here's what my playing around 
 with the app seemed to reveal.
 
 1.  The lower you set the low threshhold, the more likely your fans are to 
 push harder to keep your GPU cooler.  That's because the lower threshhold 
 sets the trigger temperature at which the fans begin to come out of their 
 base RPM settings.  The trade off is that if you set the low threshhold at 
 100%, the fans are more likely to stay at or else very close to the base RPM 
 settings.  That's because at the low threshhold settings, the fans are 
 triggered to come out of their base RPM's becaus that threshhold setting 
 will most always override the base RPM settings.  
 
 2.  The high threshhold setting is the setting at which the fans are 
 triggered in to their maximum number of possible RPM settings.  This is the 
 setting at which the temperature of the GPU is judged to be hot enough to 
 cause this trigger point to occur.  If this high threshhold is set all the 
 way down to 0% (158DegreesF) the fans will trigger to their maximum RPM 
 settings every single time you run an app or a process which pulls on the 
 GPU.  If, for example, you cause your GPU to attain a temperature of 
 159DegreesF, and your high level threshhold is set to 0% on the slider, 
 (158DegreesF) the fans will be caused to assume their maximum number of 
 RPM's very rapidly.  
 
  In order to determin the best and most sensable settings for your fans 
 if using fan control, try the following method:
 
 1.  Launch Fan control.
 
 2.  Launch the app which you know pulls hardest on your GPU.
 
 3.  Within that app, begin the process which you know causes the hardest 
 pull on your GPU.
 
 4.  Now, command tap to the Fan control window and carefully monitor the 
 temperature progress bar which can be found next to the RPM bars of each of 
 your fans.  Note the highest temperature settings for each fan bar; or, if 
 your Mac has only one fan, monitor that temperature bar and do so very 
 closely.  Make note of the highest temperature attained.
 
 5.  Now, do the same for the normal stand by conditions you have when you're 
 just letting your Mac sit there or doing some light task which does not pull 
 hard on the GPU.
 
 6.  Now, armed with that data, Set your low threshhold to the percentage 
 which best matches that stand by temperature.
 
 7.  Now, taking your high temperature data you aquired earlier, set your 
 high threshhold to the point of percentage which best matches it.
 
 HTH.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 Facebook:
 facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
 
 
 
 On May 24, 2011, at 6:47 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Ray,  
 
 Thanks for sharing those settings.  In all these replies, I've sensed that 
 some folks think their fans are only coming on when the machine is hot.  
 Based on my research, my machine  a lot of posts on the subject elsewhere 
 on the net, I'm pretty sure that what their perceiving as the fan coming on 
 is actually the fan in High Threshold Mode @ really high RPM's.  When in 
 fact, the sound probably associated with the laptop's general operations is 
 the fan in normal mode.  
 
 
 CJ
 On May 24, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 
 Yep.  Let me tell yuh, when you look at the teps your GPU is running at, 
 it's mighty frightening.  My lwo threshhold is set to 140Degrees f, and 
 that's the 100% setting on the slider.  My high threshhold is set to 60% 
 which is 180DegreesF.  The default base RPM setting is 2000, according to 
 a forum I looked at.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 Facebook:
 facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
 
 
 
 On May 24, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
 
 C.J., thanks for this.  I will give it a look.  :)
 On May 23, 2011, at 10:50 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Kimberly,
 
 Since that post, I've figured out some of the answers.  First, 
 SMCFanControler doesn't work with VoiceOver.  But, 

Hot Macbook Pro Controlling Fan

2011-05-23 Thread CJ Daniel
Hello All,

My Macbook III Pro gets hot.  I'm talk'n hot!  I mean it's Saturday night in 
Chicago in the Roaring 20's hot.

When it happens, the machine in general  VO in particular just don't function 
so well.  So, I found a program called SMCFanControler.  Unfortunately, when I 
try to run the application, VO just tells me that SMCFanControler doesn't have 
any windows.  Anyone else dealing with a hot Mac, a nonfunctioning fan 
controller problem?  Inquiring minds  burning hot pants want to know!

Thanks for any advice,

CJ

P.S. Does anyone smell something burning?


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Re: Hot Macbook Pro Controlling Fan

2011-05-23 Thread Kimberly thurman
My Macbook Pro only gets hot when I run Windows in VMware Fusion while I am 
also charging it.  Once it gets so hot, speech does tend to stutter.  I have 8 
gigs of ram and my unit is a late 2009 Macbook Pro 13 inch.  If I just run OSX, 
my MPB stays as cool as can be.
On May 23, 2011, at 9:47 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:

 Hello All,
 
 My Macbook III Pro gets hot.  I'm talk'n hot!  I mean it's Saturday night in 
 Chicago in the Roaring 20's hot.
 
 When it happens, the machine in general  VO in particular just don't 
 function so well.  So, I found a program called SMCFanControler.  
 Unfortunately, when I try to run the application, VO just tells me that 
 SMCFanControler doesn't have any windows.  Anyone else dealing with a hot 
 Mac, a nonfunctioning fan controller problem?  Inquiring minds  burning hot 
 pants want to know!
 
 Thanks for any advice,
 
 CJ
 
 P.S. Does anyone smell something burning?
 
 
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Re: Hot Macbook Pro Controlling Fan

2011-05-23 Thread CJ Daniel
Kimberly,

Since that post, I've figured out some of the answers.  First, SMCFanControler 
doesn't work with VoiceOver.  But, FanControler version 1.2 does.  I'd tried it 
earlier  couldn't figure where it disappeared too, after the install.  I went 
back  did some more checking.  Well, long story short, after it's installed it 
appears, as a button, in the system's preferences.  

You simply click it  then you can set the base RPM for your fans, the low 
range of temp @ which the fans cut in  the high range @ which they go in to 
hyper drive.  It's working flawlessly  my machine is already cooler.  I 
shudder to think @ what temp it has been running.

Apparently, judging from all the posts that I found on the subject.  it's a 
pretty common problem.  I'm going to do some more research  try running my Mac 
on the AC power with out the battery installed.  If anyone else has any other 
thoughts, then please join in.

CJ


On May 23, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

 My Macbook Pro only gets hot when I run Windows in VMware Fusion while I am 
 also charging it.  Once it gets so hot, speech does tend to stutter.  I have 
 8 gigs of ram and my unit is a late 2009 Macbook Pro 13 inch.  If I just run 
 OSX, my MPB stays as cool as can be.
 On May 23, 2011, at 9:47 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 My Macbook III Pro gets hot.  I'm talk'n hot!  I mean it's Saturday night in 
 Chicago in the Roaring 20's hot.
 
 When it happens, the machine in general  VO in particular just don't 
 function so well.  So, I found a program called SMCFanControler.  
 Unfortunately, when I try to run the application, VO just tells me that 
 SMCFanControler doesn't have any windows.  Anyone else dealing with a hot 
 Mac, a nonfunctioning fan controller problem?  Inquiring minds  burning hot 
 pants want to know!
 
 Thanks for any advice,
 
 CJ
 
 P.S. Does anyone smell something burning?
 
 
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Re: Hot Macbook Pro Controlling Fan

2011-05-23 Thread Jon Cohn
Sounds like you are working on the symtoms.  If you can hear the fans when the 
computer gets hot then it is doing the right thing in terms of heat control.

Things to look at:
1. Are there any stuck processes. (look in force quit dialog for applications 
that are not responding or in Activity monitor.) 
2. If your computer is a bit old or you work in a dusty or sandy environment it 
might be time to make sure vents and fan areas are clear of debris.  I suggest 
the Apple sTore or a computer vendor.  I also know folks that loved to clean 
their systems with compressed air.

Jon

On May 23, 2011, at 10:33 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

 My Macbook Pro only gets hot when I run Windows in VMware Fusion while I am 
 also charging it.  Once it gets so hot, speech does tend to stutter.  I have 
 8 gigs of ram and my unit is a late 2009 Macbook Pro 13 inch.  If I just run 
 OSX, my MPB stays as cool as can be.
 On May 23, 2011, at 9:47 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 My Macbook III Pro gets hot.  I'm talk'n hot!  I mean it's Saturday night in 
 Chicago in the Roaring 20's hot.
 
 When it happens, the machine in general  VO in particular just don't 
 function so well.  So, I found a program called SMCFanControler.  
 Unfortunately, when I try to run the application, VO just tells me that 
 SMCFanControler doesn't have any windows.  Anyone else dealing with a hot 
 Mac, a nonfunctioning fan controller problem?  Inquiring minds  burning hot 
 pants want to know!
 
 Thanks for any advice,
 
 CJ
 
 P.S. Does anyone smell something burning?
 
 
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Re: Hot Macbook Pro Controlling Fan

2011-05-23 Thread Mike Arrigo
Getting this app to work at first can be difficult, it puts an icon in your 
status menus. Normally, you should be able to press control f8 to go to the 
status menus, and arrow left and right through them. Unfortunately, the mac 
currently has a bug where only apple status menus work. So, you will need to 
use your trackpad or another method to get the mouse pointer to the icon, you 
can find out what is under the mouse by pressing control option f5. Once you 
find the icon, click the mouse on it, from there, the menu and preferences 
window work fine. I have mine set to crank the fans to the max, and once you 
set it one time, when you launch the app in the future, it will use your 
prefered settings.
On May 23, 2011, at 8:47 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:

 Hello All,
 
 My Macbook III Pro gets hot.  I'm talk'n hot!  I mean it's Saturday night in 
 Chicago in the Roaring 20's hot.
 
 When it happens, the machine in general  VO in particular just don't 
 function so well.  So, I found a program called SMCFanControler.  
 Unfortunately, when I try to run the application, VO just tells me that 
 SMCFanControler doesn't have any windows.  Anyone else dealing with a hot 
 Mac, a nonfunctioning fan controller problem?  Inquiring minds  burning hot 
 pants want to know!
 
 Thanks for any advice,
 
 CJ
 
 P.S. Does anyone smell something burning?
 
 
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