Re: Is this really Apple software???
Lol, How do you know VO users who are sufficiently expert weren't beta testers. Just because someone reports a bug in a beta cycle, doesn't mean its going to be fixed. It might not be reproducible by the company or the bug you reported might not be of high priority to them so don't get addressed until after the public release if at all. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 26, 2011, at 3:18 PM, David Taylor wrote: Another good post. I'm experiencing the pitch change with Nuance and have indeed emailed accessibility. Given that 10.7.2 is already seeded, I'm sure 10.7.1 can't be far from hitting us. Frankly, what we need to do is let them know about the VO issues so that hopefully in the future VO users who are sufficiently expert will be involved in the beta testing. Frankly, I'm a Mac user of less than a year and this is the very first time I ever dared upgrade my OS on the day of release, and I don't regret it! I bet all my issues are gone within days! On 26 Jul 2011, at 20:13, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: Hey Larry. It sounds to me like you're expecting a bit too much out of this operating system. Remember, Lion only got released last Wednesday so of course there would be bugs and what not to work out. Now I admit that I haven't used a Mac until last year, but I could imagine how many bugs Snow Leopard had when it first got released. In my mind, Lion isn't any different. As for Voice Over doing freaky pitch changes, I only experience those when using the Nuance voices. I still use Samantha for the rest of my activities but when I check my email I have Alex read them out. I've already sent in that report to Apple Accessibility so I encourage you and whoever else on this list to do the same. In the meantime, be patient. I'm sure a software update is around the corner. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is this really Apple software???
Hi, I remember the cursor bug as well. When you had your mouse cursor set to follow your VO cursor, some funny things would happen. lol Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 26, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: I got snow leppard the day it came out. The one major bug I remember was in safari, when a page loaded, voiceover would start somewhere in the middle of a page. That was fixed in the first update. Other than that, it worked fine. I'm probably going to install lion tonight, but I have a backup of snow leppard, so going back to it would be easy. On Jul 26, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: Hey Larry. It sounds to me like you're expecting a bit too much out of this operating system. Remember, Lion only got released last Wednesday so of course there would be bugs and what not to work out. Now I admit that I haven't used a Mac until last year, but I could imagine how many bugs Snow Leopard had when it first got released. In my mind, Lion isn't any different. As for Voice Over doing freaky pitch changes, I only experience those when using the Nuance voices. I still use Samantha for the rest of my activities but when I check my email I have Alex read them out. I've already sent in that report to Apple Accessibility so I encourage you and whoever else on this list to do the same. In the meantime, be patient. I'm sure a software update is around the corner. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is this really Apple software???
I'm sure a company as clever as Apple would be able to find a way of making sure that they were! Not everybody would want to do it anyway, and how is this any different from ensuring non VO users are sufficiently expert? Come on, we're in the real world with Apple, not the blind world where business and recruitment isn't exactly a strong point! On 27 Jul 2011, at 08:29, Ricardo Walker wrote: Lol, How do you know VO users who are sufficiently expert weren't beta testers. Just because someone reports a bug in a beta cycle, doesn't mean its going to be fixed. It might not be reproducible by the company or the bug you reported might not be of high priority to them so don't get addressed until after the public release if at all. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 26, 2011, at 3:18 PM, David Taylor wrote: Another good post. I'm experiencing the pitch change with Nuance and have indeed emailed accessibility. Given that 10.7.2 is already seeded, I'm sure 10.7.1 can't be far from hitting us. Frankly, what we need to do is let them know about the VO issues so that hopefully in the future VO users who are sufficiently expert will be involved in the beta testing. Frankly, I'm a Mac user of less than a year and this is the very first time I ever dared upgrade my OS on the day of release, and I don't regret it! I bet all my issues are gone within days! On 26 Jul 2011, at 20:13, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: Hey Larry. It sounds to me like you're expecting a bit too much out of this operating system. Remember, Lion only got released last Wednesday so of course there would be bugs and what not to work out. Now I admit that I haven't used a Mac until last year, but I could imagine how many bugs Snow Leopard had when it first got released. In my mind, Lion isn't any different. As for Voice Over doing freaky pitch changes, I only experience those when using the Nuance voices. I still use Samantha for the rest of my activities but when I check my email I have Alex read them out. I've already sent in that report to Apple Accessibility so I encourage you and whoever else on this list to do the same. In the meantime, be patient. I'm sure a software update is around the corner. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is this really Apple software???
What are you talking about? You've completely lost me. I just asked how do you know there weren't people who weren't sufficiently expert in the Mac who just happen to be VO users. Just because you encounter bugs when you get the public release of an application doesn't mean beta testers didn't catch, and report those bugs. Because, when its all said and done, know matter how many beta testers report on a bug, its still up to the engineers to fix them. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 27, 2011, at 3:59 AM, David Taylor wrote: I'm sure a company as clever as Apple would be able to find a way of making sure that they were! Not everybody would want to do it anyway, and how is this any different from ensuring non VO users are sufficiently expert? Come on, we're in the real world with Apple, not the blind world where business and recruitment isn't exactly a strong point! On 27 Jul 2011, at 08:29, Ricardo Walker wrote: Lol, How do you know VO users who are sufficiently expert weren't beta testers. Just because someone reports a bug in a beta cycle, doesn't mean its going to be fixed. It might not be reproducible by the company or the bug you reported might not be of high priority to them so don't get addressed until after the public release if at all. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 26, 2011, at 3:18 PM, David Taylor wrote: Another good post. I'm experiencing the pitch change with Nuance and have indeed emailed accessibility. Given that 10.7.2 is already seeded, I'm sure 10.7.1 can't be far from hitting us. Frankly, what we need to do is let them know about the VO issues so that hopefully in the future VO users who are sufficiently expert will be involved in the beta testing. Frankly, I'm a Mac user of less than a year and this is the very first time I ever dared upgrade my OS on the day of release, and I don't regret it! I bet all my issues are gone within days! On 26 Jul 2011, at 20:13, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: Hey Larry. It sounds to me like you're expecting a bit too much out of this operating system. Remember, Lion only got released last Wednesday so of course there would be bugs and what not to work out. Now I admit that I haven't used a Mac until last year, but I could imagine how many bugs Snow Leopard had when it first got released. In my mind, Lion isn't any different. As for Voice Over doing freaky pitch changes, I only experience those when using the Nuance voices. I still use Samantha for the rest of my activities but when I check my email I have Alex read them out. I've already sent in that report to Apple Accessibility so I encourage you and whoever else on this list to do the same. In the meantime, be patient. I'm sure a software update is around the corner. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Is this really Apple software???
Hi, I'm sure that some of what I'm about to say has already been posted by others on this list. But, in the interests of documenting bugs and seeking solutions that may have been found I want to share some of my experiences with Lion. Honestly, I can't believe that Lion was released in its present state. This along with the continuing problems I have with the software running my Apple TV make me wonder what the heck is happening at Apple headquarters. Apple is known for quality software and products that just work. Lion in my view is an epic failure. I upgraded to Lion last week when it was released and have experienced increasing problems. Some of them include: 1. Voiceover has a bug where for no reason what so ever the voice changes to what sounds like a demonic tone. I may be in the middle of reading something and the voice will change for absolutely no reason and then it changes back. This happens fairly often but I have not yet figured out a cause. 2. Mail has serious bugs. I'm using the new mail view and have noticed that the application freezes and is not responsive when looking at certain types of email. These seem to be emails with graphics such as messages from Amazon.com and Facebook. I am able to read general messages just fine but the heavier graphics seem to kill the program entirely. 3. The zoom feature consistently does not work. I might be able to use it for a while but at some point it just stops functioning entirely. Turning the feature off and on again has no effect. The only solution I've been able to find is logging off and signing on again. 4. I often find it easier to reverse the contrast on screen but this feature will not function when Voiceover is running. I must turn Voiceover off, hit control option command 8 and then turn Voiceover back on again. Yes, I sometimes use both features together. 5. Late on Monday I thought I'd check to see if there were any software updates for Lion in hoes that I might find something. When selecting software update I could not even get the OS to run the application to check. I had to log off and then sign on again. In general I'm experiencing massive slowness and serious issues when using Voiceover and many applications. I'm not using obscure programs either and They are shown to work under Lion. I mean absolutely no criticism at anyone out there who was involved with beta testing this software as it relates to Voiceover but this product has no business being widely available when you take in to consideration past standards and expectations of Apple. This is extremely frustrating to say the least. If anyone has solutions that might help I'm very interested. Perhaps there are some system settings I can change or some maintenance operations that could be run to help with these issues. Perhaps a 3rd party program could be run to help with cleaning things up. Perhaps I need to figure out how to do a clean install? That would be extremely time consuming and I'm not entirely sure how to restore from time Machine but that may be necessary. Should I just put up with all of this until Apple releases a software update? Thanks for any tips or suggestions. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is this really Apple software???
Hello Larry. Wow! It sounds like you are having one heck of a time with Lion after you're upgrade. I'd suggest repairing disk permissions to start. Another thing you might try is to download a mac maintenance tool like onyx to run some of the general mac maintenance tasks. The problems you are having with mail and software update are definitely not happening over here but VoiceOver does definitely have some issues. My suggestion to you would be to contact the Apple accessibility team and let them know about you're findings with zoom, reverse contrast, and VoiceOver. Even if they don't respond, they'll take what you say to heart. Let me know if I can help further. Matthew Campbell. On 2011-07-26, at 10:46 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: Hi, I'm sure that some of what I'm about to say has already been posted by others on this list. But, in the interests of documenting bugs and seeking solutions that may have been found I want to share some of my experiences with Lion. Honestly, I can't believe that Lion was released in its present state. This along with the continuing problems I have with the software running my Apple TV make me wonder what the heck is happening at Apple headquarters. Apple is known for quality software and products that just work. Lion in my view is an epic failure. I upgraded to Lion last week when it was released and have experienced increasing problems. Some of them include: 1. Voiceover has a bug where for no reason what so ever the voice changes to what sounds like a demonic tone. I may be in the middle of reading something and the voice will change for absolutely no reason and then it changes back. This happens fairly often but I have not yet figured out a cause. 2. Mail has serious bugs. I'm using the new mail view and have noticed that the application freezes and is not responsive when looking at certain types of email. These seem to be emails with graphics such as messages from Amazon.com and Facebook. I am able to read general messages just fine but the heavier graphics seem to kill the program entirely. 3. The zoom feature consistently does not work. I might be able to use it for a while but at some point it just stops functioning entirely. Turning the feature off and on again has no effect. The only solution I've been able to find is logging off and signing on again. 4. I often find it easier to reverse the contrast on screen but this feature will not function when Voiceover is running. I must turn Voiceover off, hit control option command 8 and then turn Voiceover back on again. Yes, I sometimes use both features together. 5. Late on Monday I thought I'd check to see if there were any software updates for Lion in hoes that I might find something. When selecting software update I could not even get the OS to run the application to check. I had to log off and then sign on again. In general I'm experiencing massive slowness and serious issues when using Voiceover and many applications. I'm not using obscure programs either and They are shown to work under Lion. I mean absolutely no criticism at anyone out there who was involved with beta testing this software as it relates to Voiceover but this product has no business being widely available when you take in to consideration past standards and expectations of Apple. This is extremely frustrating to say the least. If anyone has solutions that might help I'm very interested. Perhaps there are some system settings I can change or some maintenance operations that could be run to help with these issues. Perhaps a 3rd party program could be run to help with cleaning things up. Perhaps I need to figure out how to do a clean install? That would be extremely time consuming and I'm not entirely sure how to restore from time Machine but that may be necessary. Should I just put up with all of this until Apple releases a software update? Thanks for any tips or suggestions. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is this really Apple software???
While it seems unlikely, I suppose it is possible spotlight is still indexing your files if you don't leave your mac turned on. If you do a command space and then vo+down arrow does it say anything about spotlight helping to find files and that not all results may be include? If so, leave your mac turned on for a few hours and the speed may increase. On Jul 26, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote: Hello Larry. Wow! It sounds like you are having one heck of a time with Lion after you're upgrade. I'd suggest repairing disk permissions to start. Another thing you might try is to download a mac maintenance tool like onyx to run some of the general mac maintenance tasks. The problems you are having with mail and software update are definitely not happening over here but VoiceOver does definitely have some issues. My suggestion to you would be to contact the Apple accessibility team and let them know about you're findings with zoom, reverse contrast, and VoiceOver. Even if they don't respond, they'll take what you say to heart. Let me know if I can help further. Matthew Campbell. On 2011-07-26, at 10:46 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: Hi, I'm sure that some of what I'm about to say has already been posted by others on this list. But, in the interests of documenting bugs and seeking solutions that may have been found I want to share some of my experiences with Lion. Honestly, I can't believe that Lion was released in its present state. This along with the continuing problems I have with the software running my Apple TV make me wonder what the heck is happening at Apple headquarters. Apple is known for quality software and products that just work. Lion in my view is an epic failure. I upgraded to Lion last week when it was released and have experienced increasing problems. Some of them include: 1. Voiceover has a bug where for no reason what so ever the voice changes to what sounds like a demonic tone. I may be in the middle of reading something and the voice will change for absolutely no reason and then it changes back. This happens fairly often but I have not yet figured out a cause. 2. Mail has serious bugs. I'm using the new mail view and have noticed that the application freezes and is not responsive when looking at certain types of email. These seem to be emails with graphics such as messages from Amazon.com and Facebook. I am able to read general messages just fine but the heavier graphics seem to kill the program entirely. 3. The zoom feature consistently does not work. I might be able to use it for a while but at some point it just stops functioning entirely. Turning the feature off and on again has no effect. The only solution I've been able to find is logging off and signing on again. 4. I often find it easier to reverse the contrast on screen but this feature will not function when Voiceover is running. I must turn Voiceover off, hit control option command 8 and then turn Voiceover back on again. Yes, I sometimes use both features together. 5. Late on Monday I thought I'd check to see if there were any software updates for Lion in hoes that I might find something. When selecting software update I could not even get the OS to run the application to check. I had to log off and then sign on again. In general I'm experiencing massive slowness and serious issues when using Voiceover and many applications. I'm not using obscure programs either and They are shown to work under Lion. I mean absolutely no criticism at anyone out there who was involved with beta testing this software as it relates to Voiceover but this product has no business being widely available when you take in to consideration past standards and expectations of Apple. This is extremely frustrating to say the least. If anyone has solutions that might help I'm very interested. Perhaps there are some system settings I can change or some maintenance operations that could be run to help with these issues. Perhaps a 3rd party program could be run to help with cleaning things up. Perhaps I need to figure out how to do a clean install? That would be extremely time consuming and I'm not entirely sure how to restore from time Machine but that may be necessary. Should I just put up with all of this until Apple releases a software update? Thanks for any tips or suggestions. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To
Re: Is this really Apple software???
Hey Larry. It sounds to me like you're expecting a bit too much out of this operating system. Remember, Lion only got released last Wednesday so of course there would be bugs and what not to work out. Now I admit that I haven't used a Mac until last year, but I could imagine how many bugs Snow Leopard had when it first got released. In my mind, Lion isn't any different. As for Voice Over doing freaky pitch changes, I only experience those when using the Nuance voices. I still use Samantha for the rest of my activities but when I check my email I have Alex read them out. I've already sent in that report to Apple Accessibility so I encourage you and whoever else on this list to do the same. In the meantime, be patient. I'm sure a software update is around the corner. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is this really Apple software???
Another good post. I'm experiencing the pitch change with Nuance and have indeed emailed accessibility. Given that 10.7.2 is already seeded, I'm sure 10.7.1 can't be far from hitting us. Frankly, what we need to do is let them know about the VO issues so that hopefully in the future VO users who are sufficiently expert will be involved in the beta testing. Frankly, I'm a Mac user of less than a year and this is the very first time I ever dared upgrade my OS on the day of release, and I don't regret it! I bet all my issues are gone within days! On 26 Jul 2011, at 20:13, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: Hey Larry. It sounds to me like you're expecting a bit too much out of this operating system. Remember, Lion only got released last Wednesday so of course there would be bugs and what not to work out. Now I admit that I haven't used a Mac until last year, but I could imagine how many bugs Snow Leopard had when it first got released. In my mind, Lion isn't any different. As for Voice Over doing freaky pitch changes, I only experience those when using the Nuance voices. I still use Samantha for the rest of my activities but when I check my email I have Alex read them out. I've already sent in that report to Apple Accessibility so I encourage you and whoever else on this list to do the same. In the meantime, be patient. I'm sure a software update is around the corner. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Hello Larry, I have one suggestion and one verification regarding two of your issues. Regarding mail freezing when looking at certain types of messages: DO you have mail set to automatically load remote images? If yes, perhaps you could try turning off that feature unless you really need them to load for some reason. You can toggle this setting in Mail Preferences / Viewing / Display Remote Images in HTML Messages. Incidentally, this is one of the settings that got automatically toggled back on when I upgraded to Lion. Regarding toggling the screen contrast: I am also experiencing this issue. Even pressing VO+Tab to ignore next key press does not help but it does seem as if VO is getting in the way somehow because like you I can toggle this setting if VO is off. For reference, I'm on a late 2010 MBA and Lion was upgraded from SL. HTH, Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is this really Apple software???
You might try doing a clean install of the operating system and see if that makes a difference. Usually, installing a new operating system as an upgrade can cause problems. On Jul 26, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: Hi, I'm sure that some of what I'm about to say has already been posted by others on this list. But, in the interests of documenting bugs and seeking solutions that may have been found I want to share some of my experiences with Lion. Honestly, I can't believe that Lion was released in its present state. This along with the continuing problems I have with the software running my Apple TV make me wonder what the heck is happening at Apple headquarters. Apple is known for quality software and products that just work. Lion in my view is an epic failure. I upgraded to Lion last week when it was released and have experienced increasing problems. Some of them include: 1. Voiceover has a bug where for no reason what so ever the voice changes to what sounds like a demonic tone. I may be in the middle of reading something and the voice will change for absolutely no reason and then it changes back. This happens fairly often but I have not yet figured out a cause. 2. Mail has serious bugs. I'm using the new mail view and have noticed that the application freezes and is not responsive when looking at certain types of email. These seem to be emails with graphics such as messages from Amazon.com and Facebook. I am able to read general messages just fine but the heavier graphics seem to kill the program entirely. 3. The zoom feature consistently does not work. I might be able to use it for a while but at some point it just stops functioning entirely. Turning the feature off and on again has no effect. The only solution I've been able to find is logging off and signing on again. 4. I often find it easier to reverse the contrast on screen but this feature will not function when Voiceover is running. I must turn Voiceover off, hit control option command 8 and then turn Voiceover back on again. Yes, I sometimes use both features together. 5. Late on Monday I thought I'd check to see if there were any software updates for Lion in hoes that I might find something. When selecting software update I could not even get the OS to run the application to check. I had to log off and then sign on again. In general I'm experiencing massive slowness and serious issues when using Voiceover and many applications. I'm not using obscure programs either and They are shown to work under Lion. I mean absolutely no criticism at anyone out there who was involved with beta testing this software as it relates to Voiceover but this product has no business being widely available when you take in to consideration past standards and expectations of Apple. This is extremely frustrating to say the least. If anyone has solutions that might help I'm very interested. Perhaps there are some system settings I can change or some maintenance operations that could be run to help with these issues. Perhaps a 3rd party program could be run to help with cleaning things up. Perhaps I need to figure out how to do a clean install? That would be extremely time consuming and I'm not entirely sure how to restore from time Machine but that may be necessary. Should I just put up with all of this until Apple releases a software update? Thanks for any tips or suggestions. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is this really Apple software???
I got snow leppard the day it came out. The one major bug I remember was in safari, when a page loaded, voiceover would start somewhere in the middle of a page. That was fixed in the first update. Other than that, it worked fine. I'm probably going to install lion tonight, but I have a backup of snow leppard, so going back to it would be easy. On Jul 26, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: Hey Larry. It sounds to me like you're expecting a bit too much out of this operating system. Remember, Lion only got released last Wednesday so of course there would be bugs and what not to work out. Now I admit that I haven't used a Mac until last year, but I could imagine how many bugs Snow Leopard had when it first got released. In my mind, Lion isn't any different. As for Voice Over doing freaky pitch changes, I only experience those when using the Nuance voices. I still use Samantha for the rest of my activities but when I check my email I have Alex read them out. I've already sent in that report to Apple Accessibility so I encourage you and whoever else on this list to do the same. In the meantime, be patient. I'm sure a software update is around the corner. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Is this really Apple software???
I think this makes sense, and respect your viewpoint regarding clean OS installs, but on the other hand, when I asked an apple rep if following their stated installation instructions might be the cause of my issues with Lion, they basicly told me that I did everything right and that installing over SL was the only correct way to install Lion. That's why I'm eagerly awaiting your podcast to find out how to install Lion cleanly. Even so, I'm waiting until at least 1 or 2 updates have been released before I give Lion another chance. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 8:12 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is this really Apple software??? You might try doing a clean install of the operating system and see if that makes a difference. Usually, installing a new operating system as an upgrade can cause problems. On Jul 26, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: Hi, I'm sure that some of what I'm about to say has already been posted by others on this list. But, in the interests of documenting bugs and seeking solutions that may have been found I want to share some of my experiences with Lion. Honestly, I can't believe that Lion was released in its present state. This along with the continuing problems I have with the software running my Apple TV make me wonder what the heck is happening at Apple headquarters. Apple is known for quality software and products that just work. Lion in my view is an epic failure. I upgraded to Lion last week when it was released and have experienced increasing problems. Some of them include: 1. Voiceover has a bug where for no reason what so ever the voice changes to what sounds like a demonic tone. I may be in the middle of reading something and the voice will change for absolutely no reason and then it changes back. This happens fairly often but I have not yet figured out a cause. 2. Mail has serious bugs. I'm using the new mail view and have noticed that the application freezes and is not responsive when looking at certain types of email. These seem to be emails with graphics such as messages from Amazon.com and Facebook. I am able to read general messages just fine but the heavier graphics seem to kill the program entirely. 3. The zoom feature consistently does not work. I might be able to use it for a while but at some point it just stops functioning entirely. Turning the feature off and on again has no effect. The only solution I've been able to find is logging off and signing on again. 4. I often find it easier to reverse the contrast on screen but this feature will not function when Voiceover is running. I must turn Voiceover off, hit control option command 8 and then turn Voiceover back on again. Yes, I sometimes use both features together. 5. Late on Monday I thought I'd check to see if there were any software updates for Lion in hoes that I might find something. When selecting software update I could not even get the OS to run the application to check. I had to log off and then sign on again. In general I'm experiencing massive slowness and serious issues when using Voiceover and many applications. I'm not using obscure programs either and They are shown to work under Lion. I mean absolutely no criticism at anyone out there who was involved with beta testing this software as it relates to Voiceover but this product has no business being widely available when you take in to consideration past standards and expectations of Apple. This is extremely frustrating to say the least. If anyone has solutions that might help I'm very interested. Perhaps there are some system settings I can change or some maintenance operations that could be run to help with these issues. Perhaps a 3rd party program could be run to help with cleaning things up. Perhaps I need to figure out how to do a clean install? That would be extremely time consuming and I'm not entirely sure how to restore from time Machine but that may be necessary. Should I just put up with all of this until Apple releases a software update? Thanks for any tips or suggestions. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you
