Re: Mantis q40.

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

It works via bloothooth with the iPad and iPhone but yes sometimes issues with 
bluetooth and the Mac itself  

> On 21 Apr 2024, at 05:18, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anders, 
> 
> I have a Mantis and love it. The only issue I'm aware of with it and the Mac 
> is that I believe it only works over USB. There was an update a few weeks ago 
> that could have chanered that but I don't think so. 
> 
> Gabe 
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2024, at 8:40 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I am going to get a Mantis q40 and I can finally dig my ergonomic issues I 
>> have had with braille displays and querty keyboards.
>> Just a question.
>> Are there any glitches or issues with the Mac and the mantis?
>> And if so are these issues easy enough to resolve.
>> Bless.
>> /A
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Re: Mantis q40.

[Gabe Griffith]

Hi Anders, 

I have a Mantis and love it. The only issue I'm aware of with it and the Mac is 
that I believe it only works over USB. There was an update a few weeks ago that 
could have chanered that but I don't think so. 

Gabe 


> 
> On Apr 20, 2024, at 8:40 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I am going to get a Mantis q40 and I can finally dig my ergonomic issues I 
> have had with braille displays and querty keyboards.
> Just a question.
> Are there any glitches or issues with the Mac and the mantis?
> And if so are these issues easy enough to resolve.
> Bless.
> /A
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Mantis q40.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I am going to get a Mantis q40 and I can finally dig my ergonomic issues I have 
had with braille displays and querty keyboards.
Just a question.
Are there any glitches or issues with the Mac and the mantis?
And if so are these issues easy enough to resolve.
Bless.
/A

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Mantis Q40 braille display for sale

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

I have obtained permission from Mark to post the following info to the list:

I am putting my Mantis Q40 Braille display up for sale.  For those who don’t 
know, it is a forty-cell display with a qwerty keyboard.  I really like the 
device, and highly recommend it to anyone who is interested in a qwerty 
keyboard and braille with their I-device.  That is what I bought it for, and in 
terms of its performance, I’ve been very satisfied with it.  I’m selling it 
because I’ve developed arthritis in my hands, and using the thumb keys to read 
has become uncomfortable for me.  I’ve had the unit for two years, but it has 
been very lightly used.

I’m asking $1400 plus shipping from Illinois in the US. Please note that the 
unit was shipped with a plastic case that fit around it.  I can no longer find 
that, so it will be shipped only with the charger.  I imagine that you could 
get a replacement case from APH, I just never used it, so I didn’t bother.

If you are interested, please contact me off-list at doniado...@me.com 
<mailto:doniado...@me.com>.
Thanks,
Donna

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Re: Feedback update Mantis Q40

[kliph miller Sr]

>>>> Hi someone replied to me off list, which I am fine with, however I 
>>>>>> didn’t find any text. It was some sort of confidential email link.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> fidmarine1...@gmail.com <mailto:fidmarine1...@gmail.com> If you are this 
>>>>>> person, feel free to send your reply again with text in the body. :) 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Traci
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:01 AM, Anders Holmberg >>>>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>> Yes I am also very interested in this unit.
>>>>>>> I still like my Focus 40 but a display with built-in query keyboard is 
>>>>>>> something I’ve only seen on the Inka display and the Papenmeier 
>>>>>>> displays.
>>>>>>> /A
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 18:57 skrev Traci Duncan >>>>>>> <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>>:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It has been a while since this device has come out. I wondered if 
>>>>>>>> those of you that are using it could update the groups with your 
>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Connectivity, ease of use, switching between phone, tablet, computer, 
>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I’m very interested in the Mantis Q40, but admittedly nervous about 
>>>>>>>> such a large purchase. I own a Focus 14 Blue and purchased that in 
>>>>>>>> 2013.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thank you for any user experience you share.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Traci
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Re: Feedback update Mantis Q40

[joseph hodge]

vice. 
>>>> 
>>>> Is that the difference? The new displays connect to multiple devices, but 
>>>> I need to reestablish the connection?
>>>> 
>>>> Back to the Mantis specifically, could I use the keyboard on my lap?
>>>> 
>>>> As far as I understand, I’d purchase Mantis directly through APH right? 
>>>> I’m not super familiar with them as far as a store goes. Last year I 
>>>> bought some slate & stylus supplies. :) That’s the extent of my consumer 
>>>> experience.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Traci
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 12:45 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> It is  more like a laptop keyboard. However, the keys are a comfortable 
>>>>> size, spacing is comfortable, and the key action is very good. I found it 
>>>>> very easy to type on.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Traci Duncan >>>>> <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The YouTube video I watch said it was like a laptop keyboard. Not large, 
>>>>>> but not a small mobile keyboard. I don’t know the dimensions.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Traci
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Anders Holmberg >>>>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>> Well, thanks but I don’t think I contact the person.
>>>>>>> I just wanted to know if its a full query keyboard or a small laptop 
>>>>>>> one?
>>>>>>> /A
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 20:27 skrev Traci Duncan >>>>>>> <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>>:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi someone replied to me off list, which I am fine with, however I 
>>>>>>>> didn’t find any text. It was some sort of confidential email link.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> fidmarine1...@gmail.com <mailto:fidmarine1...@gmail.com> If you are 
>>>>>>>> this person, feel free to send your reply again with text in the body. 
>>>>>>>> :) 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Traci
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:01 AM, Anders Holmberg >>>>>>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>> Yes I am also very interested in this unit.
>>>>>>>>> I still like my Focus 40 but a display with built-in query keyboard 
>>>>>>>>> is something I’ve only seen on the Inka display and the Papenmeier 
>>>>>>>>> displays.
>>>>>>>>> /A
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 18:57 skrev Traci Duncan >>>>>>>>> <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>>:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It has been a while since this device has come out. I wondered if 
>>>>>>>>>> those of you that are using it could update the groups with your 
>>>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Connectivity, ease of use, switching between phone, tablet, 
>>>>>>>>>> computer, etc.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I’m very interested in the Mantis Q40, but admittedly nervous about 
>>>>>>>>>> such a large purchase. I own a Focus 14 Blue and purchased that in 
>>>>>>>>>> 2013.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for any user experience you share.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Traci
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>> The

Re: Feedback update Mantis Q40

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

i Duncan >>>>>> <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi someone replied to me off list, which I am fine with, however I 
>>>>>>> didn’t find any text. It was some sort of confidential email link.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> fidmarine1...@gmail.com <mailto:fidmarine1...@gmail.com> If you are 
>>>>>>> this person, feel free to send your reply again with text in the body. 
>>>>>>> :) 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Traci
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:01 AM, Anders Holmberg >>>>>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>> Yes I am also very interested in this unit.
>>>>>>>> I still like my Focus 40 but a display with built-in query keyboard is 
>>>>>>>> something I’ve only seen on the Inka display and the Papenmeier 
>>>>>>>> displays.
>>>>>>>> /A
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 18:57 skrev Traci Duncan >>>>>>>> <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>>:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It has been a while since this device has come out. I wondered if 
>>>>>>>>> those of you that are using it could update the groups with your 
>>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Connectivity, ease of use, switching between phone, tablet, computer, 
>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I’m very interested in the Mantis Q40, but admittedly nervous about 
>>>>>>>>> such a large purchase. I own a Focus 14 Blue and purchased that in 
>>>>>>>>> 2013.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thank you for any user experience you share.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Traci
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Re: Feedback update Mantis Q40

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
So this display is for the US only guess?
Then I guess its not for me yet if they don’t make it available in other 
countries with the correct keyboard layout.
/A

> 3 mars 2021 kl. 17:27 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi Tracy,
> 
> That's one drawback to the Mantis. When you switch devices, you have to do it 
> manually from the device. I didn't keep mine, so I don't remember the exact 
> process, and the latest update may have made the process more streamline. 
> Joseph can speak to that better than I.
> 
> Using the keyboard in your lap is, in my opinion, a place where the Mantis 
> truly excels. I loved being able to just put my phone or my iPad on the 
> coffee table, set the Mantis in my lap, and just do everything from there. If 
> you're a qwerty user, that feature alone is truly awesome!
> 
> BTW, the reason I did not keep the mantis was because I wanted a more robust 
> editor. I don't care much about calendars, stopwatch timers, and stuff like 
> that, because I just use my phone for those things. But I do want the option 
> to do editing independently of my i-device. Mostly, the editor on the Mantis 
> is pretty good, but it has some file size limitations that didn't work for 
> me. That said, I'm still very interested in the Mantis, and I suspect that 
> eventually, I will own one.
> 
> The staff at APH are very helpful. I found them to be great to deal with. The 
> user list for the Mantis is full of helpful people, and when I returned my 
> unit, the return was handled promptly, with no questions asked. The one 
> drawback is that at that time--and I think maybe still--the Mantis was 
> back-ordered. So they had my money for a good month(ish) before I got my 
> unit. I imagine that either has changed, or will change, because the back 
> order was due to supply chain issues related to COVID.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Traci Duncan > <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So something I’m still not clear on when comparing older braille displays 
>> and new ones, is the multiple connections. My 4th gen Focus 14 connects to 
>> one device at a time, however it does automatically connect. So, if I am on 
>> my iPhone using it, lock that phone and move over to my iPad, the Focus 
>> works with that device. 
>> 
>> Is that the difference? The new displays connect to multiple devices, but I 
>> need to reestablish the connection?
>> 
>> Back to the Mantis specifically, could I use the keyboard on my lap?
>> 
>> As far as I understand, I’d purchase Mantis directly through APH right? I’m 
>> not super familiar with them as far as a store goes. Last year I bought some 
>> slate & stylus supplies. :) That’s the extent of my consumer experience.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 12:45 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is  more like a laptop keyboard. However, the keys are a comfortable 
>>> size, spacing is comfortable, and the key action is very good. I found it 
>>> very easy to type on.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Traci Duncan >>> <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The YouTube video I watch said it was like a laptop keyboard. Not large, 
>>>> but not a small mobile keyboard. I don’t know the dimensions.
>>>> 
>>>> Traci
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Anders Holmberg >>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> Well, thanks but I don’t think I contact the person.
>>>>> I just wanted to know if its a full query keyboard or a small laptop one?
>>>>> /A
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 20:27 skrev Traci Duncan >>>>> <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi someone replied to me off list, which I am fine with, however I 
>>>>>> didn’t find any text. It was some sort of confidential email link.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> fidmarine1...@gmail.com <mailto:fidmarine1...@gmail.com> If you are this 
>>>>>> person, feel free to send your reply again with text in the body. :) 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Traci
>>>>>> 
&g

Re: Feedback update Mantis Q40

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tracy,

That's one drawback to the Mantis. When you switch devices, you have to do it 
manually from the device. I didn't keep mine, so I don't remember the exact 
process, and the latest update may have made the process more streamline. 
Joseph can speak to that better than I.

Using the keyboard in your lap is, in my opinion, a place where the Mantis 
truly excels. I loved being able to just put my phone or my iPad on the coffee 
table, set the Mantis in my lap, and just do everything from there. If you're a 
qwerty user, that feature alone is truly awesome!

BTW, the reason I did not keep the mantis was because I wanted a more robust 
editor. I don't care much about calendars, stopwatch timers, and stuff like 
that, because I just use my phone for those things. But I do want the option to 
do editing independently of my i-device. Mostly, the editor on the Mantis is 
pretty good, but it has some file size limitations that didn't work for me. 
That said, I'm still very interested in the Mantis, and I suspect that 
eventually, I will own one.

The staff at APH are very helpful. I found them to be great to deal with. The 
user list for the Mantis is full of helpful people, and when I returned my 
unit, the return was handled promptly, with no questions asked. The one 
drawback is that at that time--and I think maybe still--the Mantis was 
back-ordered. So they had my money for a good month(ish) before I got my unit. 
I imagine that either has changed, or will change, because the back order was 
due to supply chain issues related to COVID.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So something I’m still not clear on when comparing older braille displays and 
> new ones, is the multiple connections. My 4th gen Focus 14 connects to one 
> device at a time, however it does automatically connect. So, if I am on my 
> iPhone using it, lock that phone and move over to my iPad, the Focus works 
> with that device. 
> 
> Is that the difference? The new displays connect to multiple devices, but I 
> need to reestablish the connection?
> 
> Back to the Mantis specifically, could I use the keyboard on my lap?
> 
> As far as I understand, I’d purchase Mantis directly through APH right? I’m 
> not super familiar with them as far as a store goes. Last year I bought some 
> slate & stylus supplies. :) That’s the extent of my consumer experience.
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 12:45 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It is  more like a laptop keyboard. However, the keys are a comfortable 
>> size, spacing is comfortable, and the key action is very good. I found it 
>> very easy to type on.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Traci Duncan >> <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The YouTube video I watch said it was like a laptop keyboard. Not large, 
>>> but not a small mobile keyboard. I don’t know the dimensions.
>>> 
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Anders Holmberg >>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> Well, thanks but I don’t think I contact the person.
>>>> I just wanted to know if its a full query keyboard or a small laptop one?
>>>> /A
>>>> 
>>>>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 20:27 skrev Traci Duncan >>>> <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi someone replied to me off list, which I am fine with, however I didn’t 
>>>>> find any text. It was some sort of confidential email link.
>>>>> 
>>>>> fidmarine1...@gmail.com <mailto:fidmarine1...@gmail.com> If you are this 
>>>>> person, feel free to send your reply again with text in the body. :) 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Traci
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:01 AM, Anders Holmberg >>>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> Yes I am also very interested in this unit.
>>>>>> I still like my Focus 40 but a display with built-in query keyboard is 
>>>>>> something I’ve only seen on the Inka display and the Papenmeier displays.
>>>>>> /A
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 18:57 skrev Traci Duncan >>>>>> <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>

Re: Feedback update Mantis Q40

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all,

So something I’m still not clear on when comparing older braille displays and 
new ones, is the multiple connections. My 4th gen Focus 14 connects to one 
device at a time, however it does automatically connect. So, if I am on my 
iPhone using it, lock that phone and move over to my iPad, the Focus works with 
that device. 

Is that the difference? The new displays connect to multiple devices, but I 
need to reestablish the connection?

Back to the Mantis specifically, could I use the keyboard on my lap?

As far as I understand, I’d purchase Mantis directly through APH right? I’m not 
super familiar with them as far as a store goes. Last year I bought some slate 
& stylus supplies. :) That’s the extent of my consumer experience.

Thanks,
Traci


> On Mar 2, 2021, at 12:45 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> It is  more like a laptop keyboard. However, the keys are a comfortable size, 
> spacing is comfortable, and the key action is very good. I found it very easy 
> to type on.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Traci Duncan > <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> The YouTube video I watch said it was like a laptop keyboard. Not large, but 
>> not a small mobile keyboard. I don’t know the dimensions.
>> 
>> Traci
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Anders Holmberg >> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Well, thanks but I don’t think I contact the person.
>>> I just wanted to know if its a full query keyboard or a small laptop one?
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 20:27 skrev Traci Duncan >>> <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi someone replied to me off list, which I am fine with, however I didn’t 
>>>> find any text. It was some sort of confidential email link.
>>>> 
>>>> fidmarine1...@gmail.com <mailto:fidmarine1...@gmail.com> If you are this 
>>>> person, feel free to send your reply again with text in the body. :) 
>>>> 
>>>> Traci
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:01 AM, Anders Holmberg >>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> Yes I am also very interested in this unit.
>>>>> I still like my Focus 40 but a display with built-in query keyboard is 
>>>>> something I’ve only seen on the Inka display and the Papenmeier displays.
>>>>> /A
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 18:57 skrev Traci Duncan >>>>> <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It has been a while since this device has come out. I wondered if those 
>>>>>> of you that are using it could update the groups with your experience.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Connectivity, ease of use, switching between phone, tablet, computer, 
>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’m very interested in the Mantis Q40, but admittedly nervous about such 
>>>>>> a large purchase. I own a Focus 14 Blue and purchased that in 2013.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you for any user experience you share.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Traci
>>>>>> 
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Re: Feedback update Mantis Q40

[joseph hodge]

Full disclosure I work for APH. However I am totally blind myself and I would 
not try to miss lead anyone.

The Mantis for me is a great keyboard. I like that I can switch from my Mac, to 
my Windows, to my iPhone easily all one keyboard. I mention this in my demos 
but I used to work in insurance and having a keyboard and a Braille Display 
drove me nuts because your constantly fiddling where they both are. With this 
its one device. I think the terminal where you connect to IOS and such is 
wonderful. We have had issues with IOS do to the new Hid standard and Apple 
just not getting it right, but these will be worked out shortly.

Thickness its thicker than my MacBook Pro lol. However it goes in my bag fine 
where I would put a laptop.

I like having an editor but the older I get I would be just fine with a dummy 
device only that connects to my devices I need. I don’t need the extras they 
are nice but Bookshare locally I only use for testing because I just use 
Voicedream reader and sync between all my devices.

The one thing and place I think I wouldn’t reccomend the Mantis is travel. I 
mean the Mantis is small and usable on the go, but if your in a taxi cab do you 
see yourself really using a qwerty to type and be productive? If you never use 
a display in this manner then it won't bother you, but if you are someone who 
uses their display a lot on the go you may not like the size.

Me personally I think I could see this sitting on my desk full time or maybe 
take it out to my recliner but I would prefer a skinnier display to take with 
my more powerful devices on the road.

Joe

> On Mar 2, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> It has been a while since this device has come out. I wondered if those of 
> you that are using it could update the groups with your experience.
> 
> Connectivity, ease of use, switching between phone, tablet, computer, etc.
> 
> I’m very interested in the Mantis Q40, but admittedly nervous about such a 
> large purchase. I own a Focus 14 Blue and purchased that in 2013.
> 
> Thank you for any user experience you share.
> 
> Traci
> 
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Re: Feedback update Mantis Q40

[joseph hodge]

Full disclosure I work for APH. However I am totally blind myself and I would 
not try to miss lead anyone.

The Mantis for me is a great keyboard. I like that I can switch from my Mac, to 
my Windows, to my iPhone easily all one keyboard. I mention this in my demos 
but I used to work in insurance and having a keyboard and a Braille Display 
drove me nuts because your constantly fiddling where they both are. With this 
its one device. I think the terminal where you connect to IOS and such is 
wonderful. We have had issues with IOS do to the new Hid standard and Apple 
just not getting it right, but these will be worked out shortly.

Thickness its thicker than my MacBook Pro lol. However it goes in my bag fine 
where I would put a laptop.

I like having an editor but the older I get I would be just fine with a dummy 
device only that connects to my devices I need. I don’t need the extras they 
are nice but Bookshare locally I only use for testing because I just use 
Voicedream reader and sync between all my devices.

The one thing and place I think I wouldn’t reccomend the Mantis is travel. I 
mean the Mantis is small and usable on the go, but if your in a taxi cab do you 
see yourself really using a qwerty to type and be productive? If you never use 
a display in this manner then it won't bother you, but if you are someone who 
uses their display a lot on the go you may not like the size.

Me personally I think I could see this sitting on my desk full time or maybe 
take it out to my recliner but I would prefer a skinnier display to take with 
my more powerful devices on the road.

Joe

> On Mar 2, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> It has been a while since this device has come out. I wondered if those of 
> you that are using it could update the groups with your experience.
> 
> Connectivity, ease of use, switching between phone, tablet, computer, etc.
> 
> I’m very interested in the Mantis Q40, but admittedly nervous about such a 
> large purchase. I own a Focus 14 Blue and purchased that in 2013.
> 
> Thank you for any user experience you share.
> 
> Traci
> 
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Re: Feedback update Mantis Q40

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

It is  more like a laptop keyboard. However, the keys are a comfortable size, 
spacing is comfortable, and the key action is very good. I found it very easy 
to type on.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Mar 2, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> The YouTube video I watch said it was like a laptop keyboard. Not large, but 
> not a small mobile keyboard. I don’t know the dimensions.
> 
> Traci
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Well, thanks but I don’t think I contact the person.
>> I just wanted to know if its a full query keyboard or a small laptop one?
>> /A
>> 
>>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 20:27 skrev Traci Duncan >> <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Hi someone replied to me off list, which I am fine with, however I didn’t 
>>> find any text. It was some sort of confidential email link.
>>> 
>>> fidmarine1...@gmail.com <mailto:fidmarine1...@gmail.com> If you are this 
>>> person, feel free to send your reply again with text in the body. :) 
>>> 
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:01 AM, Anders Holmberg >>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> Yes I am also very interested in this unit.
>>>> I still like my Focus 40 but a display with built-in query keyboard is 
>>>> something I’ve only seen on the Inka display and the Papenmeier displays.
>>>> /A
>>>> 
>>>>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 18:57 skrev Traci Duncan >>>> <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> It has been a while since this device has come out. I wondered if those 
>>>>> of you that are using it could update the groups with your experience.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Connectivity, ease of use, switching between phone, tablet, computer, etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m very interested in the Mantis Q40, but admittedly nervous about such 
>>>>> a large purchase. I own a Focus 14 Blue and purchased that in 2013.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you for any user experience you share.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Traci
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Re: Feedback update Mantis Q40

[Traci Duncan]

The YouTube video I watch said it was like a laptop keyboard. Not large, but 
not a small mobile keyboard. I don’t know the dimensions.

Traci

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 2, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well, thanks but I don’t think I contact the person.
> I just wanted to know if its a full query keyboard or a small laptop one?
> /A
> 
>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 20:27 skrev Traci Duncan :
>> 
>> Hi someone replied to me off list, which I am fine with, however I didn’t 
>> find any text. It was some sort of confidential email link.
>> 
>> fidmarine1...@gmail.com If you are this person, feel free to send your reply 
>> again with text in the body. :) 
>> 
>> Traci
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:01 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Yes I am also very interested in this unit.
>>> I still like my Focus 40 but a display with built-in query keyboard is 
>>> something I’ve only seen on the Inka display and the Papenmeier displays.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 18:57 skrev Traci Duncan :
>>>> 
>>>> It has been a while since this device has come out. I wondered if those of 
>>>> you that are using it could update the groups with your experience.
>>>> 
>>>> Connectivity, ease of use, switching between phone, tablet, computer, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> I’m very interested in the Mantis Q40, but admittedly nervous about such a 
>>>> large purchase. I own a Focus 14 Blue and purchased that in 2013.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for any user experience you share.
>>>> 
>>>> Traci
>>>> 
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Re: Feedback update Mantis Q40

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well, thanks but I don’t think I contact the person.
I just wanted to know if its a full query keyboard or a small laptop one?
/A

> 2 mars 2021 kl. 20:27 skrev Traci Duncan :
> 
> Hi someone replied to me off list, which I am fine with, however I didn’t 
> find any text. It was some sort of confidential email link.
> 
> fidmarine1...@gmail.com <mailto:fidmarine1...@gmail.com> If you are this 
> person, feel free to send your reply again with text in the body. :) 
> 
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:01 AM, Anders Holmberg > <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Yes I am also very interested in this unit.
>> I still like my Focus 40 but a display with built-in query keyboard is 
>> something I’ve only seen on the Inka display and the Papenmeier displays.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 18:57 skrev Traci Duncan >> <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>>:
>>> 
>>> It has been a while since this device has come out. I wondered if those of 
>>> you that are using it could update the groups with your experience.
>>> 
>>> Connectivity, ease of use, switching between phone, tablet, computer, etc.
>>> 
>>> I’m very interested in the Mantis Q40, but admittedly nervous about such a 
>>> large purchase. I own a Focus 14 Blue and purchased that in 2013.
>>> 
>>> Thank you for any user experience you share.
>>> 
>>> Traci
>>> 
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Re: Feedback update Mantis Q40

[Traci Duncan]

Hi someone replied to me off list, which I am fine with, however I didn’t find 
any text. It was some sort of confidential email link.

fidmarine1...@gmail.com <mailto:fidmarine1...@gmail.com> If you are this 
person, feel free to send your reply again with text in the body. :) 

Traci


> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:01 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Yes I am also very interested in this unit.
> I still like my Focus 40 but a display with built-in query keyboard is 
> something I’ve only seen on the Inka display and the Papenmeier displays.
> /A
> 
>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 18:57 skrev Traci Duncan :
>> 
>> It has been a while since this device has come out. I wondered if those of 
>> you that are using it could update the groups with your experience.
>> 
>> Connectivity, ease of use, switching between phone, tablet, computer, etc.
>> 
>> I’m very interested in the Mantis Q40, but admittedly nervous about such a 
>> large purchase. I own a Focus 14 Blue and purchased that in 2013.
>> 
>> Thank you for any user experience you share.
>> 
>> Traci
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Re: Feedback update Mantis Q40

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes I am also very interested in this unit.
I still like my Focus 40 but a display with built-in query keyboard is 
something I’ve only seen on the Inka display and the Papenmeier displays.
/A

> 2 mars 2021 kl. 18:57 skrev Traci Duncan :
> 
> It has been a while since this device has come out. I wondered if those of 
> you that are using it could update the groups with your experience.
> 
> Connectivity, ease of use, switching between phone, tablet, computer, etc.
> 
> I’m very interested in the Mantis Q40, but admittedly nervous about such a 
> large purchase. I own a Focus 14 Blue and purchased that in 2013.
> 
> Thank you for any user experience you share.
> 
> Traci
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Feedback update Mantis Q40

[Traci Duncan]

It has been a while since this device has come out. I wondered if those of you 
that are using it could update the groups with your experience.

Connectivity, ease of use, switching between phone, tablet, computer, etc.

I’m very interested in the Mantis Q40, but admittedly nervous about such a 
large purchase. I own a Focus 14 Blue and purchased that in 2013.

Thank you for any user experience you share.

Traci

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Re: Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Joseph,

I am still not receiving list mail. Could you send me the name of the list 
moderator? Feel free to send it off-list, doniado...@me.com.
Thanks,
Donna


Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 20, 2020, at 7:38 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
> Hi Frank yes there is the address is 
> mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org
> You will receive a message back just respond to it and then you will be 
> subscribed. Sorry for just getting back to you.
> 
>> On Aug 11, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Frank Ventura 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Joe, is there a support e-mail listserv for the manthis and cameleon? If 
>> so what is the subscribe link?
>> Thanks
>> Frank
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of joseph hodge
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 6:34 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>  
>> Hi my name is Joe and I work at APH in quality assurance. To answer your 
>> question no the Orbit writer won’t connect the same way. The reason the 
>> Mantis does and also our Chameleon does is the new hid standard. Thats the 
>> standard Microsoft apple and others worked on. Its still new and I believe 
>> currently were the only one supporting this. I believe the Orbit does on the 
>> Mac but not on the iPhone currently. If I can help in any other way please 
>> let me know.
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Traci,
>> Thanks for the link to the YouTube video. It was interesting that the iPhone 
>> was paired with going to Bluetooth settings and not going into VoiceOver and 
>> Braille settings. I know it’s not documented in the manual, but I do wonder 
>> if that would allow the Orbit Writer as a keyboard to connect? The Mantis is 
>> a keyboard, but of course, it’s a Qwerty, so I don’t know if that makes a 
>> difference. I’m awaiting my unit, so when the Writer comes, I’ll certainly 
>> try to connect a second device and report back.
>> Best Regards,
>>  
>> Les
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Traci Duncan
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:07 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>  
>> Folks interested in the Mantis may like to watch this youTube video by APH.
>>  
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk
>>  
>> Traci
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Donna,
>> I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing 
>> list dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a 
>> braille keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on 
>> the APH mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info 
>> on that is also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like 
>> you, I have heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t 
>> think it’s even out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor for 
>> them said this thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness 
>> convention.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
>> by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[joseph hodge]

Hi Frank yes there is the address is 
mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org 
<mailto:mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org>
You will receive a message back just respond to it and then you will be 
subscribed. Sorry for just getting back to you.

> On Aug 11, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Frank Ventura  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Joe, is there a support e-mail listserv for the manthis and cameleon? If 
> so what is the subscribe link?
> Thanks
> Frank
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of joseph hodge
> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 6:34 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>  
> Hi my name is Joe and I work at APH in quality assurance. To answer your 
> question no the Orbit writer won’t connect the same way. The reason the 
> Mantis does and also our Chameleon does is the new hid standard. Thats the 
> standard Microsoft apple and others worked on. Its still new and I believe 
> currently were the only one supporting this. I believe the Orbit does on the 
> Mac but not on the iPhone currently. If I can help in any other way please 
> let me know.
> 
> 
> On Aug 5, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Les Kriegler  <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Traci,
> Thanks for the link to the YouTube video. It was interesting that the iPhone 
> was paired with going to Bluetooth settings and not going into VoiceOver and 
> Braille settings. I know it’s not documented in the manual, but I do wonder 
> if that would allow the Orbit Writer as a keyboard to connect? The Mantis is 
> a keyboard, but of course, it’s a Qwerty, so I don’t know if that makes a 
> difference. I’m awaiting my unit, so when the Writer comes, I’ll certainly 
> try to connect a second device and report back.
> Best Regards,
>  
> Les
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Traci Duncan
> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:07 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>  
> Folks interested in the Mantis may like to watch this youTube video by APH.
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk>
>  
> Traci
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten  <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Donna,
> I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing 
> list dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a 
> braille keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on the 
> APH mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info on 
> that is also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like you, I 
> have heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t think 
> it’s even out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor for them 
> said this thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness convention.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
> by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
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RE: Mantis Q40?

[Frank Ventura]

Hi Joe, is there a support e-mail listserv for the manthis and cameleon? If so 
what is the subscribe link?
Thanks
Frank

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of joseph hodge
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 6:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?

Hi my name is Joe and I work at APH in quality assurance. To answer your 
question no the Orbit writer won’t connect the same way. The reason the Mantis 
does and also our Chameleon does is the new hid standard. Thats the standard 
Microsoft apple and others worked on. Its still new and I believe currently 
were the only one supporting this. I believe the Orbit does on the Mac but not 
on the iPhone currently. If I can help in any other way please let me know.


On Aug 5, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Les Kriegler 
mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Traci,
Thanks for the link to the YouTube video. It was interesting that the iPhone 
was paired with going to Bluetooth settings and not going into VoiceOver and 
Braille settings. I know it’s not documented in the manual, but I do wonder if 
that would allow the Orbit Writer as a keyboard to connect? The Mantis is a 
keyboard, but of course, it’s a Qwerty, so I don’t know if that makes a 
difference. I’m awaiting my unit, so when the Writer comes, I’ll certainly try 
to connect a second device and report back.
Best Regards,

Les

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Traci Duncan
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?

Folks interested in the Mantis may like to watch this youTube video by APH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk

Traci




On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna,
I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing list 
dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a braille 
keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on the APH 
mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info on that is 
also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like you, I have 
heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t think it’s even 
out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor for them said this 
thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness convention.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone



On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold by 
APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Jason,

I think we are all in the same place re this review. You are saying things that 
have already been said. I only posted it as one other resource for people to 
consider. And, while you and I may find his review and experience to be 
cursory, I do think there's value in reading the perspective of a newcomer to 
this technology, particularly for anyone on this list who may also be in that 
position.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Aug 8, 2020, at 12:31 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> In my experience, finding the shortcomings of a product or service often 
> takes time. Thus I would prefer an opinion that is informed by a longer 
> review period. Most of the details likely to be found in a quick review are 
> probably in the manual or the product specifications anyway. Also, if I read 
> a review that is a year or two old, I have to consider whether any of the 
> issues noted by the reviewer are likely to have been fixed since then - 
> doubly so if the reviewer had access to pre-production versions of a hardware 
> product.
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2020, at 11:54, Scott Davert  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi again Donna.
>> His review was rather quick, and the perspective of someone who is
>> more new to braille, so it's worth having. I waited about a month to
>> use the iPhone SE 2020 before I wrote my review on that. I don't
>> believe in doing too quick of a turn around time on things, 3-4 weeks
>> seems like enough time to spot things that are important that may be
>> missed during a 1 week trial period. There's always that question:
>> what's more important? A quick review that can be done immediatley, or
>> a review that involves more testing but takes longer. I tend to favor
>> the latter, though I certainly can see value in the former. Smiles.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On 8/6/20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 
>>> Agree 100%. Not sure where he got the info about the U2, but yeah, it could
>>> connect to other devices, though the keyboard didn't work as well as one
>>> would wish.
>>> 
>>> Like I said, he's obviously new to AT, but I figured I'd share the review
>>> for anyone who wants to read it. I'm sure yours will be much more
>>> comprehensive,. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Scott Davert 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Donna.
>>>> Thanks for posting the review. I guess that gives the reader an
>>>> overview, but it fails to answer a lot of questions a more advanced
>>>> braille user would ask. Also, the Braille Sense u2 QWERTY could
>>>> connect to an iPhone or other external device, so his assertion that
>>>> it's the first QWERTY braille device to connect to external ones is
>>>> wrong. He has a good point about beginner users of braille using it.
>>>> There's a much less steep learning curve.
>>>> 
>>>> Scott
>>>> 
>>>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>>>> At this time we are not planning on it do to licensing costs. However it
>>>>> is
>>>>> in the bucket for future releases.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do you know if the MLS service will be added to the Mantis Q 40
>>>>>> library?
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> behalf of Scott Davert 
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:38:22 AM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
>>>>>> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
>>>>>> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
>>>>>> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
>>>>>> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
>>>>>> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
>>>>>> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how Q

Re: Mantis Q40?

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

In my experience, finding the shortcomings of a product or service often takes 
time. Thus I would prefer an opinion that is informed by a longer review 
period. Most of the details likely to be found in a quick review are probably 
in the manual or the product specifications anyway. Also, if I read a review 
that is a year or two old, I have to consider whether any of the issues noted 
by the reviewer are likely to have been fixed since then - doubly so if the 
reviewer had access to pre-production versions of a hardware product.

> On Aug 7, 2020, at 11:54, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> Hi again Donna.
> His review was rather quick, and the perspective of someone who is
> more new to braille, so it's worth having. I waited about a month to
> use the iPhone SE 2020 before I wrote my review on that. I don't
> believe in doing too quick of a turn around time on things, 3-4 weeks
> seems like enough time to spot things that are important that may be
> missed during a 1 week trial period. There's always that question:
> what's more important? A quick review that can be done immediatley, or
> a review that involves more testing but takes longer. I tend to favor
> the latter, though I certainly can see value in the former. Smiles.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 8/6/20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> Agree 100%. Not sure where he got the info about the U2, but yeah, it could
>> connect to other devices, though the keyboard didn't work as well as one
>> would wish.
>> 
>> Like I said, he's obviously new to AT, but I figured I'd share the review
>> for anyone who wants to read it. I'm sure yours will be much more
>> comprehensive,. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Scott Davert 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna.
>>> Thanks for posting the review. I guess that gives the reader an
>>> overview, but it fails to answer a lot of questions a more advanced
>>> braille user would ask. Also, the Braille Sense u2 QWERTY could
>>> connect to an iPhone or other external device, so his assertion that
>>> it's the first QWERTY braille device to connect to external ones is
>>> wrong. He has a good point about beginner users of braille using it.
>>> There's a much less steep learning curve.
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>>> At this time we are not planning on it do to licensing costs. However it
>>>> is
>>>> in the bucket for future releases.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you know if the MLS service will be added to the Mantis Q 40
>>>>> library?
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Les
>>>>> 
>>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> on
>>>>> behalf of Scott Davert 
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:38:22 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
>>>>> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
>>>>> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
>>>>> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
>>>>> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
>>>>> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
>>>>> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
>>>>> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
>>>>> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
>>>>> hearing aids.
>>>>> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
>>>>> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
>>>>> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
>>>>> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
>>>>> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just some info,
>>>>> Scott
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Traci,
>

Re: Mantis Q40?

[Scott Davert]

Donna.
I'll post it to the list when it is released next week. It's with the
editor now...

Scott

On 8/7/20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Again, I agree. Would love to see your review.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>> On Aug 7, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Scott Davert 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi again Donna.
>> His review was rather quick, and the perspective of someone who is
>> more new to braille, so it's worth having. I waited about a month to
>> use the iPhone SE 2020 before I wrote my review on that. I don't
>> believe in doing too quick of a turn around time on things, 3-4 weeks
>> seems like enough time to spot things that are important that may be
>> missed during a 1 week trial period. There's always that question:
>> what's more important? A quick review that can be done immediatley, or
>> a review that involves more testing but takes longer. I tend to favor
>> the latter, though I certainly can see value in the former. Smiles.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 8/6/20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi Scott,
>>>
>>> Agree 100%. Not sure where he got the info about the U2, but yeah, it
>>> could
>>> connect to other devices, though the keyboard didn't work as well as one
>>> would wish.
>>>
>>> Like I said, he's obviously new to AT, but I figured I'd share the
>>> review
>>> for anyone who wants to read it. I'm sure yours will be much more
>>> comprehensive,. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Scott Davert 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Donna.
>>>> Thanks for posting the review. I guess that gives the reader an
>>>> overview, but it fails to answer a lot of questions a more advanced
>>>> braille user would ask. Also, the Braille Sense u2 QWERTY could
>>>> connect to an iPhone or other external device, so his assertion that
>>>> it's the first QWERTY braille device to connect to external ones is
>>>> wrong. He has a good point about beginner users of braille using it.
>>>> There's a much less steep learning curve.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>>>> At this time we are not planning on it do to licensing costs. However
>>>>> it
>>>>> is
>>>>> in the bucket for future releases.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Les Kriegler 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you know if the MLS service will be added to the Mantis Q 40
>>>>>> library?
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> behalf of Scott Davert 
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:38:22 AM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
>>>>>> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
>>>>>> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
>>>>>> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
>>>>>> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
>>>>>> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
>>>>>> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm
>>>>>> writing
>>>>>> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> hearing aids.
>>>>>> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
>>>>>> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
>>>>>> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
>>>>>> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
>>>>>> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
>>>

Re: Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Again, I agree. Would love to see your review.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Aug 7, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> Hi again Donna.
> His review was rather quick, and the perspective of someone who is
> more new to braille, so it's worth having. I waited about a month to
> use the iPhone SE 2020 before I wrote my review on that. I don't
> believe in doing too quick of a turn around time on things, 3-4 weeks
> seems like enough time to spot things that are important that may be
> missed during a 1 week trial period. There's always that question:
> what's more important? A quick review that can be done immediatley, or
> a review that involves more testing but takes longer. I tend to favor
> the latter, though I certainly can see value in the former. Smiles.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 8/6/20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> Agree 100%. Not sure where he got the info about the U2, but yeah, it could
>> connect to other devices, though the keyboard didn't work as well as one
>> would wish.
>> 
>> Like I said, he's obviously new to AT, but I figured I'd share the review
>> for anyone who wants to read it. I'm sure yours will be much more
>> comprehensive,. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Scott Davert 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna.
>>> Thanks for posting the review. I guess that gives the reader an
>>> overview, but it fails to answer a lot of questions a more advanced
>>> braille user would ask. Also, the Braille Sense u2 QWERTY could
>>> connect to an iPhone or other external device, so his assertion that
>>> it's the first QWERTY braille device to connect to external ones is
>>> wrong. He has a good point about beginner users of braille using it.
>>> There's a much less steep learning curve.
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>>> At this time we are not planning on it do to licensing costs. However it
>>>> is
>>>> in the bucket for future releases.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you know if the MLS service will be added to the Mantis Q 40
>>>>> library?
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Les
>>>>> 
>>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> on
>>>>> behalf of Scott Davert 
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:38:22 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
>>>>> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
>>>>> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
>>>>> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
>>>>> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
>>>>> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
>>>>> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
>>>>> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
>>>>> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
>>>>> hearing aids.
>>>>> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
>>>>> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
>>>>> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
>>>>> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
>>>>> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just some info,
>>>>> Scott
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Traci,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Mantis supports
>>>>>> MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
>>>>>> iOS 13.5.1+
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
>>>>>>> Sierra and I have iDevices running 

Re: Mantis Q40?

[Scott Davert]

Hi again Donna.
His review was rather quick, and the perspective of someone who is
more new to braille, so it's worth having. I waited about a month to
use the iPhone SE 2020 before I wrote my review on that. I don't
believe in doing too quick of a turn around time on things, 3-4 weeks
seems like enough time to spot things that are important that may be
missed during a 1 week trial period. There's always that question:
what's more important? A quick review that can be done immediatley, or
a review that involves more testing but takes longer. I tend to favor
the latter, though I certainly can see value in the former. Smiles.

Scott

On 8/6/20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Hi Scott,
>
> Agree 100%. Not sure where he got the info about the U2, but yeah, it could
> connect to other devices, though the keyboard didn't work as well as one
> would wish.
>
> Like I said, he's obviously new to AT, but I figured I'd share the review
> for anyone who wants to read it. I'm sure yours will be much more
> comprehensive,. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Scott Davert 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Donna.
>> Thanks for posting the review. I guess that gives the reader an
>> overview, but it fails to answer a lot of questions a more advanced
>> braille user would ask. Also, the Braille Sense u2 QWERTY could
>> connect to an iPhone or other external device, so his assertion that
>> it's the first QWERTY braille device to connect to external ones is
>> wrong. He has a good point about beginner users of braille using it.
>> There's a much less steep learning curve.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>> At this time we are not planning on it do to licensing costs. However it
>>> is
>>> in the bucket for future releases.
>>>
>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>>
>>>> Do you know if the MLS service will be added to the Mantis Q 40
>>>> library?
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> on
>>>> behalf of Scott Davert 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:38:22 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>>>
>>>> Hi all.
>>>> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
>>>> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
>>>> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
>>>> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
>>>> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
>>>> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
>>>> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
>>>> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
>>>> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
>>>> hearing aids.
>>>> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
>>>> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
>>>> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
>>>> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
>>>> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
>>>>
>>>> Just some info,
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>>>> Hi Traci,
>>>>>
>>>>> The Mantis supports
>>>>> MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
>>>>> iOS 13.5.1+
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
>>>>>> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Traci
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge >>>>>> <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>

Re: Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Scott,

Agree 100%. Not sure where he got the info about the U2, but yeah, it could 
connect to other devices, though the keyboard didn't work as well as one would 
wish.

Like I said, he's obviously new to AT, but I figured I'd share the review for 
anyone who wants to read it. I'm sure yours will be much more comprehensive,. :)
Cheers,
Donna


> On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna.
> Thanks for posting the review. I guess that gives the reader an
> overview, but it fails to answer a lot of questions a more advanced
> braille user would ask. Also, the Braille Sense u2 QWERTY could
> connect to an iPhone or other external device, so his assertion that
> it's the first QWERTY braille device to connect to external ones is
> wrong. He has a good point about beginner users of braille using it.
> There's a much less steep learning curve.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> At this time we are not planning on it do to licensing costs. However it is
>> in the bucket for future releases.
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 
>>> Do you know if the MLS service will be added to the Mantis Q 40 library?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Best,
>>> Les
>>> 
>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on
>>> behalf of Scott Davert 
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:38:22 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
>>> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
>>> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
>>> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
>>> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
>>> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
>>> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
>>> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
>>> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
>>> hearing aids.
>>> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
>>> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
>>> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
>>> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
>>> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
>>> 
>>> Just some info,
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>>> Hi Traci,
>>>> 
>>>> The Mantis supports
>>>> MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
>>>> iOS 13.5.1+
>>>> 
>>>> Joe
>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
>>>>> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Traci
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge >>>>> <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
>>>>>> email me at jho...@aph.org <mailto:jho...@aph.org
>>>>>> <mailto:jho...@aph.org>> with your email and I
>>>>>> will add you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have
>>>>>>> received
>>>>>>> no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
>>>>>>> email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>&g

Re: Mantis Q40?

[Scott Davert]

I would think both the Mantis and the Chameleon would eventually
support NLS, given that Humanware is one of the companies contracted
out to provide the braille displays that will be distributed by NLS.

JMO,
Scott

On 8/6/20, Scott Davert  wrote:
> Hi Donna.
> Thanks for posting the review. I guess that gives the reader an
> overview, but it fails to answer a lot of questions a more advanced
> braille user would ask. Also, the Braille Sense u2 QWERTY could
> connect to an iPhone or other external device, so his assertion that
> it's the first QWERTY braille device to connect to external ones is
> wrong. He has a good point about beginner users of braille using it.
> There's a much less steep learning curve.
>
> Scott
>
> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> At this time we are not planning on it do to licensing costs. However it
>> is
>> in the bucket for future releases.
>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Scott,
>>>
>>> Do you know if the MLS service will be added to the Mantis Q 40 library?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Best,
>>> Les
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> on
>>> behalf of Scott Davert 
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:38:22 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>>
>>> Hi all.
>>> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
>>> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
>>> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
>>> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
>>> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
>>> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
>>> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
>>> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
>>> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
>>> hearing aids.
>>> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
>>> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
>>> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
>>> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
>>> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
>>>
>>> Just some info,
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>> > Hi Traci,
>>> >
>>> > The Mantis supports
>>> > MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
>>> > iOS 13.5.1+
>>> >
>>> > Joe
>>> >> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
>>> >> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> Traci
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge >> >>> <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com>>>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you
>>> >>> have
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
>>> >>> email me at jho...@aph.org <mailto:jho...@aph.org
>>> >>> <mailto:jho...@aph.org>> with your email and I
>>> >>> will add you.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Joe
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>> >>>> >> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have
>>> >>>> received
>>> >>>> no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
>>> >>>> email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
>>> >>>> Best,
>>> >>>> Donna
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On Aug 6,

Re: Mantis Q40?

[Scott Davert]

Hi Donna.
Thanks for posting the review. I guess that gives the reader an
overview, but it fails to answer a lot of questions a more advanced
braille user would ask. Also, the Braille Sense u2 QWERTY could
connect to an iPhone or other external device, so his assertion that
it's the first QWERTY braille device to connect to external ones is
wrong. He has a good point about beginner users of braille using it.
There's a much less steep learning curve.

Scott

On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
> At this time we are not planning on it do to licensing costs. However it is
> in the bucket for future releases.
>
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott,
>>
>> Do you know if the MLS service will be added to the Mantis Q 40 library?
>> Thanks.
>> Best,
>> Les
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on
>> behalf of Scott Davert 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:38:22 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>
>> Hi all.
>> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
>> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
>> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
>> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
>> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
>> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
>> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
>> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
>> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
>> hearing aids.
>> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
>> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
>> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
>> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
>> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
>>
>> Just some info,
>> Scott
>>
>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> > Hi Traci,
>> >
>> > The Mantis supports
>> > MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
>> > iOS 13.5.1+
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
>> >> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Traci
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge > >>> <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com>>>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have
>> >>> to
>> >>> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
>> >>> email me at jho...@aph.org <mailto:jho...@aph.org
>> >>> <mailto:jho...@aph.org>> with your email and I
>> >>> will add you.
>> >>>
>> >>> Joe
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>> >>>> > >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have
>> >>>> received
>> >>>> no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
>> >>>> email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
>> >>>> Best,
>> >>>> Donna
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge > >>>>> <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com>>>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi Kerryann,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or
>> >>>>> Mantis. Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you
>> >>>>> would like to join send an email to
>> >>>>> mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org
>> >>>>> <mailto:mantis-chameleon-use

Re: Mantis Q40?

[joseph hodge]

At this time we are not planning on it do to licensing costs. However it is in 
the bucket for future releases.

> On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> Do you know if the MLS service will be added to the Mantis Q 40 library? 
> Thanks.
> Best,
> Les
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of Scott Davert 
> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:38:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>  
> Hi all.
> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
> hearing aids.
> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
> 
> Just some info,
> Scott
> 
> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
> > Hi Traci,
> >
> > The Mantis supports
> > MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
> > iOS 13.5.1+
> >
> > Joe
> >> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> >>
> >> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
> >> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Traci
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge  >>> <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have to
> >>> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
> >>> email me at jho...@aph.org <mailto:jho...@aph.org 
> >>> <mailto:jho...@aph.org>> with your email and I
> >>> will add you.
> >>>
> >>> Joe
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
> >>>>  >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have received
> >>>> no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
> >>>> email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Donna
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge  >>>>> <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Kerryann,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or
> >>>>> Mantis. Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you
> >>>>> would like to join send an email to
> >>>>> mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org
> >>>>> <mailto:mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org 
> >>>>> <mailto:mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill  >>>>>> <mailto:kerryann.if...@gmail.com <mailto:kerryann.if...@gmail.com>>> 
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
> >>>>>> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays
> >>>>>> and my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big
> >>>>>> braille display bin in the sky!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I’m looking forward to learning more about t th

Re: Mantis Q40?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Scott,

Do you know if the MLS service will be added to the Mantis Q 40 library? Thanks.
Best,
Les

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Scott Davert 
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:38:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?

Hi all.
I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
hearing aids.
One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.

Just some info,
Scott

On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
> Hi Traci,
>
> The Mantis supports
> MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
> iOS 13.5.1+
>
> Joe
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>
>> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
>> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge >> <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have to
>>> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
>>> email me at jho...@aph.org <mailto:jho...@aph.org> with your email and I
>>> will add you.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>>> >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have received
>>>> no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
>>>> email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Donna
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge >>>> <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Kerryann,
>>>>>
>>>>> APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or
>>>>> Mantis. Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you
>>>>> would like to join send an email to
>>>>> mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org
>>>>> <mailto:mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill >>>>> <mailto:kerryann.if...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
>>>>>> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays
>>>>>> and my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big
>>>>>> braille display bin in the sky!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will
>>>>>> hopefully love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Kerry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Tracy,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display
>>>>>>> with a qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells
>>>>>>> for less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>&

Re: Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Scott,

thanks. It's been a while since I've seen a Braillenote, but that does suggest 
that the braille is a little softer than I typically like. I've not seen an 
Apex, so I don't know what those keys looked like.

In case you are anyone else is curious, here is the review that I read. It 
seems like this reviewer is fairly new to adaptive tech, though, so I'm not 
sure how similar their experience will be for those of us who've been at this a 
while.
https://doubletap.online/the-mantis-q40-is-here 
<https://doubletap.online/the-mantis-q40-is-here> 
Cheers,
Donna


> On Aug 6, 2020, at 11:01 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna.
> If you have felt the braille of the BrailleNote Touch, or even the
> Apex, Iwould equate the feel of the dots to one of those devices. I
> was not aware that anyone else had reviewed the Mantis yet. My review
> should be in the August issue of Access World.
> As for the keys, I would equate those to the BrailleNote Apex QT. The
> size is also similar. The keys aren't noisy, though, it sounds about
> as loud to me as any laptop would. Then again, my ears are quite
> broken, so I may not be the best judge of that.
> 
> HTH,
> Scott
> 
> On 8/6/20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>> Thanks, Scott. The wifi feature sounds very cool. Do you like the braille?
>> One article I read described it as mushy. Also, how is the keyboard. I
>> remember the Braillenote having HUGE keys. That never made sense to me, and
>> I didn't care for it.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Scott Davert 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
>>> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
>>> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
>>> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
>>> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
>>> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
>>> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
>>> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
>>> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
>>> hearing aids.
>>> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
>>> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
>>> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
>>> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
>>> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
>>> 
>>> Just some info,
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>>> Hi Traci,
>>>> 
>>>> The Mantis supports
>>>> MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
>>>> iOS 13.5.1+
>>>> 
>>>> Joe
>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
>>>>> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Traci
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge >>>>> <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
>>>>>> email me at jho...@aph.org <mailto:jho...@aph.org> with your email and
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> will add you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have
>>>>>>> received
>>>>>>> no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
>>>>>>> email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge >>

Re: Mantis Q40?

[Scott Davert]

Hi Donna.
If you have felt the braille of the BrailleNote Touch, or even the
Apex, Iwould equate the feel of the dots to one of those devices. I
was not aware that anyone else had reviewed the Mantis yet. My review
should be in the August issue of Access World.
As for the keys, I would equate those to the BrailleNote Apex QT. The
size is also similar. The keys aren't noisy, though, it sounds about
as loud to me as any laptop would. Then again, my ears are quite
broken, so I may not be the best judge of that.

HTH,
Scott

On 8/6/20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Thanks, Scott. The wifi feature sounds very cool. Do you like the braille?
> One article I read described it as mushy. Also, how is the keyboard. I
> remember the Braillenote having HUGE keys. That never made sense to me, and
> I didn't care for it.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Scott Davert 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all.
>> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
>> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
>> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
>> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
>> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
>> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
>> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
>> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
>> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
>> hearing aids.
>> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
>> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
>> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
>> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
>> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
>>
>> Just some info,
>> Scott
>>
>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>> Hi Traci,
>>>
>>> The Mantis supports
>>> MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
>>> iOS 13.5.1+
>>>
>>> Joe
 On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

 Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
 Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.

 Thanks,
 Traci


> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge  > wrote:
>
> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have
> to
> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
> email me at jho...@aph.org  with your email and
> I
> will add you.
>
> Joe
>
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have
>> received
>> no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
>> email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kerryann,
>>>
>>> APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or
>>> Mantis. Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you
>>> would like to join send an email to
>>> mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org
>>> 
>>>
>>>
 On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill
 >>> > wrote:

 Hello all,

 I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
 I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized
 displays
 and my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the
 big
 braille display bin in the sky!

 I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will
 hopefully love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.

 Regards
 Kerry

> On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>  > wrote:
>
> Hi Tracy,
>
> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display
> with a qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
>
> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40
> cells
> for less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan > > wrote:
>>
>> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome.
>> *Laughs
>>
>> $2500 though, wow!
>>
>> I love the 

Re: Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Scott. The wifi feature sounds very cool. Do you like the braille? One 
article I read described it as mushy. Also, how is the keyboard. I remember the 
Braillenote having HUGE keys. That never made sense to me, and I didn't care 
for it.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
> hearing aids.
> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
> 
> Just some info,
> Scott
> 
> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> Hi Traci,
>> 
>> The Mantis supports
>> MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
>> iOS 13.5.1+
>> 
>> Joe
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
>>> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge >>> > wrote:
 
 Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have to
 respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
 email me at jho...@aph.org  with your email and I
 will add you.
 
 Joe
 
> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>  > wrote:
> 
> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have received
> no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
> email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kerryann,
>> 
>> APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or
>> Mantis. Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you
>> would like to join send an email to
>> mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
>>> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays
>>> and my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big
>>> braille display bin in the sky!
>>> 
>>> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will
>>> hopefully love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Kerry
>>> 
 On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Tracy,
 
 I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display
 with a qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
 
 Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells
 for less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan  > wrote:
> 
> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
> 
> $2500 though, wow!
> 
> I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading.
> 
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new.
>> It's sold by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware
>> as well.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Scott Davert]

Hi all.
I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
hearing aids.
One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.

Just some info,
Scott

On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
> Hi Traci,
>
> The Mantis supports
> MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
> iOS 13.5.1+
>
> Joe
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>
>> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
>> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have to
>>> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
>>> email me at jho...@aph.org  with your email and I
>>> will add you.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
 On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
 >>> > wrote:

 Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have received
 no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
 email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
 Best,
 Donna

 Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge  > wrote:
>
> Hi Kerryann,
>
> APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or
> Mantis. Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you
> would like to join send an email to
> mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org
> 
>
>
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill > > wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
>> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays
>> and my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big
>> braille display bin in the sky!
>>
>> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will
>> hopefully love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
>>
>> Regards
>> Kerry
>>
>>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Tracy,
>>>
>>> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display
>>> with a qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
>>>
>>> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells
>>> for less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>
 On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan >>> > wrote:

 This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs

 $2500 though, wow!

 I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading.

 Traci


> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>  > wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new.
> It's sold by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware
> as well.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[joseph hodge]

Hi Traci,

The Mantis supports
MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
iOS 13.5.1+

Joe
> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High Sierra 
> and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge > > wrote:
>> 
>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have to 
>> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems email 
>> me at jho...@aph.org  with your email and I will add 
>> you.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have received no 
>>> confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list email. So I 
>>> don’t know if this list is actually working.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Kerryann,
 
 APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or Mantis. 
 Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you would like to 
 join send an email to mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org 
 
 
 
> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill  > wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays 
> and my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big 
> braille display bin in the sky!
> 
> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will 
> hopefully love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
> 
> Regards
> Kerry
> 
>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tracy,
>> 
>> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display with 
>> a qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
>> 
>> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells for 
>> less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
>>> 
>>> $2500 though, wow! 
>>> 
>>> I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 
>>> 
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's 
 sold by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
 TIA,
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Traci Duncan]

Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High Sierra 
and I have iDevices running iOs 12.

Thanks,
Traci


> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have to 
> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems email me 
> at jho...@aph.org  with your email and I will add you.
> 
> Joe
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have received no 
>> confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list email. So I 
>> don’t know if this list is actually working.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Kerryann,
>>> 
>>> APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or Mantis. 
>>> Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you would like to 
>>> join send an email to mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
 I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays and 
 my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big braille 
 display bin in the sky!
 
 I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will 
 hopefully love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
 
 Regards
 Kerry
 
> On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tracy,
> 
> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display with a 
> qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
> 
> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells for 
> less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan > > wrote:
>> 
>> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
>> 
>> $2500 though, wow! 
>> 
>> I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 
>> 
>> Traci
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's 
>>> sold by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[joseph hodge]

Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have to 
respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems email me 
at jho...@aph.org  with your email and I will add you.

Joe

> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have received no 
> confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list email. So I 
> don’t know if this list is actually working.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kerryann,
>> 
>> APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or Mantis. 
>> Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you would like to 
>> join send an email to mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
>>> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays and 
>>> my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big braille 
>>> display bin in the sky!
>>> 
>>> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will hopefully 
>>> love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Kerry
>>> 
 On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Tracy,
 
 I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display with a 
 qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
 
 Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells for 
 less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan  > wrote:
> 
> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
> 
> $2500 though, wow! 
> 
> I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 
> 
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's 
>> sold by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have received no 
confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list email. So I 
don’t know if this list is actually working.
Best,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kerryann,
> 
> APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or Mantis. 
> Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you would like to 
> join send an email to mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org
> 
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
>> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays and 
>> my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big braille 
>> display bin in the sky!
>> 
>> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will hopefully 
>> love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Kerry
>> 
>>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tracy,
>>> 
>>> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display with a 
>>> qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
>>> 
>>> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells for 
>>> less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
 
 This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
 
 $2500 though, wow! 
 
 I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 
 
 Traci
 
 
> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's 
> sold by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[joseph hodge]

Hi Kerryann,

APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or Mantis. Feel 
free to ask questions relating to the products. If you would like to join send 
an email to mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org 



> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays and my 
> old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big braille display 
> bin in the sky!
> 
> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will hopefully 
> love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
> 
> Regards
> Kerry
> 
>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tracy,
>> 
>> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display with a 
>> qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
>> 
>> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells for 
>> less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
>>> 
>>> $2500 though, wow! 
>>> 
>>> I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 
>>> 
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
 by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
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Re: Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Kerry,

When you get it, please do share your impressions with the group. I’m very 
interested.
Best,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 6, 2020, at 1:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays and my 
> old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big braille display 
> bin in the sky!
> 
> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will hopefully 
> love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
> 
> Regards
> Kerry
> 
>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tracy,
>> 
>> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display with a 
>> qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
>> 
>> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells for 
>> less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
 On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
>>> 
>>> $2500 though, wow! 
>>> 
>>> I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 
>>> 
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
 by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Kerryann Ifill]

Hello all,

I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays and my 
old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big braille display 
bin in the sky!

I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will hopefully 
love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.

Regards
Kerry

> On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tracy,
> 
> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display with a 
> qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
> 
> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells for 
> less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
>> 
>> $2500 though, wow! 
>> 
>> I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 
>> 
>> Traci
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
>>> by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[joseph hodge]

Thanks Les. It was a lot of fun. One thing to note on the Mac because were 
using the new standard Apple is having some issues with bluetooth. USBC 
connects fine, but it is something to note incase your hoping to be portable. 
Were hoping for a fix in the next update.

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:15 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Joe,
> 
> You did a great job on the YouTube presentation. I was very impressed with 
> what I heard about the mantis.
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of joseph hodge 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 6:33:38 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>  
> Hi my name is Joe and I work at APH in quality assurance. To answer your 
> question no the Orbit writer won’t connect the same way. The reason the 
> Mantis does and also our Chameleon does is the new hid standard. Thats the 
> standard Microsoft apple and others worked on. Its still new and I believe 
> currently were the only one supporting this. I believe the Orbit does on the 
> Mac but not on the iPhone currently. If I can help in any other way please 
> let me know.
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Les Kriegler > <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Traci,
>> Thanks for the link to the YouTube video. It was interesting that the iPhone 
>> was paired with going to Bluetooth settings and not going into VoiceOver and 
>> Braille settings. I know it’s not documented in the manual, but I do wonder 
>> if that would allow the Orbit Writer as a keyboard to connect? The Mantis is 
>> a keyboard, but of course, it’s a Qwerty, so I don’t know if that makes a 
>> difference. I’m awaiting my unit, so when the Writer comes, I’ll certainly 
>> try to connect a second device and report back.
>> Best Regards,
>>  
>> Les
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Traci Duncan
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:07 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>  
>> Folks interested in the Mantis may like to watch this youTube video by APH.
>>  
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk>
>>  
>> Traci
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten >> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing 
>>> list dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a 
>>> braille keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on 
>>> the APH mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info 
>>> on that is also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like 
>>> you, I have heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t 
>>> think it’s even out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor 
>>> for them said this thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness 
>>> convention.
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's 
>>>> sold by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[joseph hodge]

The main difference between the Q Braille is that your having to connect twice. 
The Mantis you only connect once and you get the bluetooth and Braille Display 
its the beauty of the new hid standard.

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:07 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> The QBraille input also connects through the standard Bluetooth because it 
> works as a standard QWERTY keyboard. The braille output connects through the 
> braille display section in VoiceOver settings.
> 
> Is this similar to the Mantis arrangement?
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> 
> On 6 August 2020 08:33:43 joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
>> Hi my name is Joe and I work at APH in quality assurance. To answer your 
>> question no the Orbit writer won’t connect the same way. The reason the 
>> Mantis does and also our Chameleon does is the new hid standard. Thats the 
>> standard Microsoft apple and others worked on. Its still new and I believe 
>> currently were the only one supporting this. I believe the Orbit does on the 
>> Mac but not on the iPhone currently. If I can help in any other way please 
>> let me know.
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Les Kriegler >> <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Traci,
>>> Thanks for the link to the YouTube video. It was interesting that the 
>>> iPhone was paired with going to Bluetooth settings and not going into 
>>> VoiceOver and Braille settings. I know it’s not documented in the manual, 
>>> but I do wonder if that would allow the Orbit Writer as a keyboard to 
>>> connect? The Mantis is a keyboard, but of course, it’s a Qwerty, so I don’t 
>>> know if that makes a difference. I’m awaiting my unit, so when the Writer 
>>> comes, I’ll certainly try to connect a second device and report back.
>>> Best Regards,
>>>  
>>> Les
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Traci Duncan
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:07 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>>  
>>> Folks interested in the Mantis may like to watch this youTube video by APH.
>>>  
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk 
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk>
>>>  
>>> Traci
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten >>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>> I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing 
>>>> list dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has 
>>>> a braille keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual 
>>>> on the APH mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, 
>>>> info on that is also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. 
>>>> like you, I have heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I 
>>>> don’t think it’s even out yet. But one of the folks who has been a 
>>>> distributor for them said this thing is not ready for prime time at a 
>>>> recent blindness convention.
>>>> 
>>>> Mary
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's 
>>>>> sold by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
>>>>> TIA,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Joe,

You did a great job on the YouTube presentation. I was very impressed with what 
I heard about the mantis.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of joseph hodge 
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 6:33:38 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?

Hi my name is Joe and I work at APH in quality assurance. To answer your 
question no the Orbit writer won’t connect the same way. The reason the Mantis 
does and also our Chameleon does is the new hid standard. Thats the standard 
Microsoft apple and others worked on. Its still new and I believe currently 
were the only one supporting this. I believe the Orbit does on the Mac but not 
on the iPhone currently. If I can help in any other way please let me know.

On Aug 5, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Les Kriegler 
mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Traci,
Thanks for the link to the YouTube video. It was interesting that the iPhone 
was paired with going to Bluetooth settings and not going into VoiceOver and 
Braille settings. I know it’s not documented in the manual, but I do wonder if 
that would allow the Orbit Writer as a keyboard to connect? The Mantis is a 
keyboard, but of course, it’s a Qwerty, so I don’t know if that makes a 
difference. I’m awaiting my unit, so when the Writer comes, I’ll certainly try 
to connect a second device and report back.
Best Regards,

Les

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Traci Duncan
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?

Folks interested in the Mantis may like to watch this youTube video by APH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk

Traci



On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna,
I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing list 
dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a braille 
keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on the APH 
mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info on that is 
also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like you, I have 
heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t think it’s even 
out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor for them said this 
thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness convention.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold by 
APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Les Kriegler]

It sounds like the mantis works the same way. But again, I bet Sheehan on the 
demonstration that I heard. I’ve never seen the unit.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of David Chittenden 
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 7:07:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?


The QBraille input also connects through the standard Bluetooth because it 
works as a standard QWERTY keyboard. The braille output connects through the 
braille display section in VoiceOver settings.

Is this similar to the Mantis arrangement?

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA

On 6 August 2020 08:33:43 joseph hodge  wrote:

Hi my name is Joe and I work at APH in quality assurance. To answer your 
question no the Orbit writer won’t connect the same way. The reason the Mantis 
does and also our Chameleon does is the new hid standard. Thats the standard 
Microsoft apple and others worked on. Its still new and I believe currently 
were the only one supporting this. I believe the Orbit does on the Mac but not 
on the iPhone currently. If I can help in any other way please let me know.

On Aug 5, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Les Kriegler 
mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Traci,
Thanks for the link to the YouTube video. It was interesting that the iPhone 
was paired with going to Bluetooth settings and not going into VoiceOver and 
Braille settings. I know it’s not documented in the manual, but I do wonder if 
that would allow the Orbit Writer as a keyboard to connect? The Mantis is a 
keyboard, but of course, it’s a Qwerty, so I don’t know if that makes a 
difference. I’m awaiting my unit, so when the Writer comes, I’ll certainly try 
to connect a second device and report back.
Best Regards,

Les

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Traci Duncan
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?

Folks interested in the Mantis may like to watch this youTube video by APH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk

Traci



On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna,
I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing list 
dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a braille 
keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on the APH 
mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info on that is 
also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like you, I have 
heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t think it’s even 
out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor for them said this 
thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness convention.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold by 
APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Mantis Q40?

[David Chittenden]

The QBraille input also connects through the standard Bluetooth because it 
works as a standard QWERTY keyboard. The braille output connects through 
the braille display section in VoiceOver settings.


Is this similar to the Mantis arrangement?

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA



On 6 August 2020 08:33:43 joseph hodge  wrote:

Hi my name is Joe and I work at APH in quality assurance. To answer your 
question no the Orbit writer won’t connect the same way. The reason the 
Mantis does and also our Chameleon does is the new hid standard. Thats the 
standard Microsoft apple and others worked on. Its still new and I believe 
currently were the only one supporting this. I believe the Orbit does on 
the Mac but not on the iPhone currently. If I can help in any other way 
please let me know.



On Aug 5, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

Hi Traci,
Thanks for the link to the YouTube video. It was interesting that the 
iPhone was paired with going to Bluetooth settings and not going into 
VoiceOver and Braille settings. I know it’s not documented in the manual, 
but I do wonder if that would allow the Orbit Writer as a keyboard to 
connect? The Mantis is a keyboard, but of course, it’s a Qwerty, so I don’t 
know if that makes a difference. I’m awaiting my unit, so when the Writer 
comes, I’ll certainly try to connect a second device and report back.

Best Regards,
 
Les
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Traci Duncan

Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
 
Folks interested in the Mantis may like to watch this youTube video by APH.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk>
 
Traci
 



On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Hi Donna,
I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing 
list dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a 
braille keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on 
the APH mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info 
on that is also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like 
you, I have heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t 
think it’s even out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor 
for them said this thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness 
convention.


Mary


Sent from my iPhone


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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:


Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.

TIA,
Donna

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Re: Mantis Q40?

[joseph hodge]

Hi my name is Joe and I work at APH in quality assurance. To answer your 
question no the Orbit writer won’t connect the same way. The reason the Mantis 
does and also our Chameleon does is the new hid standard. Thats the standard 
Microsoft apple and others worked on. Its still new and I believe currently 
were the only one supporting this. I believe the Orbit does on the Mac but not 
on the iPhone currently. If I can help in any other way please let me know.

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Traci,
> Thanks for the link to the YouTube video. It was interesting that the iPhone 
> was paired with going to Bluetooth settings and not going into VoiceOver and 
> Braille settings. I know it’s not documented in the manual, but I do wonder 
> if that would allow the Orbit Writer as a keyboard to connect? The Mantis is 
> a keyboard, but of course, it’s a Qwerty, so I don’t know if that makes a 
> difference. I’m awaiting my unit, so when the Writer comes, I’ll certainly 
> try to connect a second device and report back.
> Best Regards,
>  
> Les
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Traci Duncan
> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:07 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>  
> Folks interested in the Mantis may like to watch this youTube video by APH.
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk>
>  
> Traci
>  
> 
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten > <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Donna,
>> I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing 
>> list dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a 
>> braille keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on 
>> the APH mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info 
>> on that is also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like 
>> you, I have heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t 
>> think it’s even out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor for 
>> them said this thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness 
>> convention.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
>>> by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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RE: Mantis Q40?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Traci,

Thanks for the link to the YouTube video. It was interesting that the iPhone 
was paired with going to Bluetooth settings and not going into VoiceOver and 
Braille settings. I know it’s not documented in the manual, but I do wonder if 
that would allow the Orbit Writer as a keyboard to connect? The Mantis is a 
keyboard, but of course, it’s a Qwerty, so I don’t know if that makes a 
difference. I’m awaiting my unit, so when the Writer comes, I’ll certainly try 
to connect a second device and report back.

Best Regards,

 

Les

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Traci Duncan
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?

 

Folks interested in the Mantis may like to watch this youTube video by APH.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk

 

Traci

 





On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Donna,
I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing list 
dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a braille 
keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on the APH 
mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info on that is 
also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like you, I have 
heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t think it’s even 
out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor for them said this 
thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness convention.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone




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Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold by 
APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Mary, 

I've already signed up for the Mantis email list. I'm not too optimistic about 
it, as I've never been a fan of Humanware, but we'll see.

Happily, it looks like I may be able to arrange a demo of the QBraille. It's on 
the expensive end of things, but I would sure like to see any of these units 
before I buy, and neither APH nor FS has the option of getting a demo.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing 
> list dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a 
> braille keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on the 
> APH mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info on 
> that is also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like you, I 
> have heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t think 
> it’s even out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor for them 
> said this thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness convention.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
>> by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Traci Duncan]

Folks interested in the Mantis may like to watch this youTube video by APH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk 


Traci


> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing 
> list dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a 
> braille keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on the 
> APH mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info on 
> that is also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like you, I 
> have heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t think 
> it’s even out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor for them 
> said this thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness convention.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Mary Otten]

Hi Donna,
I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing list 
dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a braille 
keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on the APH 
mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info on that is 
also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like you, I have 
heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t think it’s even 
out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor for them said this 
thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness convention.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

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> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
> by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I've heard HORRIBLE things about the Orbit!

The QBraille's the most expensive of all. It's $3100.
Donna


> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> There is the Orbit reader 40 for around $1400. I’m not sure when it is 
> shipping.
> 
> As a side question, have you read about the qBraille XL?
> 
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tracy,
>> 
>> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display with a 
>> qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
>> 
>> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells for 
>> less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
>>> 
>>> $2500 though, wow! 
>>> 
>>> I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 
>>> 
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
 by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
 TIA,
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Traci Duncan]

There is the Orbit reader 40 for around $1400. I’m not sure when it is shipping.

As a side question, have you read about the qBraille XL?

Traci
 

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Tracy,
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> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display with a 
> qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
> 
> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells for 
> less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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>> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
>> 
>> $2500 though, wow! 
>> 
>> I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 
>> 
>> Traci
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
>>> by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tracy,

I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display with a 
qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad

Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells for less. 
The Focus is actually $500 more.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
> 
> $2500 though, wow! 
> 
> I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 
> 
> Traci
> 
> 
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>>  wrote:
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>> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
>> by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Traci Duncan]

This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs

$2500 though, wow! 

I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 

Traci


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Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold by 
APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
TIA,
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