Re: back up failed

2015-11-21 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu 
Hello Zoe.

I don’t see anyone on this list saying that you are worthless or that you 
should get lost.

I do know however, learning the mac is a hands on thing.  Now, I don’t use the 
mac 24 7 because I have to use Windows on a daily basis because of me working.

I would say however, learning the Mac is a learning curve.  When I started on 
the Mac in 2010, I only had a week where I could sit next to someone and learn 
a few commands which enabled me to use the Mac.  After that, I was very much on 
my own.  I still get guidance from another member on the list.

>From experience of this list, there are lots of kind people who will help you 
>and everyone here will support you in what ever way you need it.

Kindest regards,

Kawal.

On 21 Nov 2015, at 15:32, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
> 
> Thank you so much.  I actually sat down with sited people and went through 
> david woodbridges podcast on mavricks, other applevis resourses etc.  The 
> problem is my iMac or voiceover is not listening to my keyboard commands.  
> I'm not stupid, things are not working correctly.  I don't claim to be a 
> genious and of course I'm new to the mac but basic navigations that work in 
> text edit but not in pages has nothing to do with me pressing wrong keys or 
> being new at the mac..  Sorry for ranting but I feel a little disappointed 
> and a little sad with some of the people on the list.  I have seen on all the 
> various lists some of the same people sending tons of messages on one subject 
> and I never complained I just hit delete.  Now after being quiet for 2 years 
> on the list I send a few more messages and I'm made to feel worthless, like 
> my only recourse is paid lessons or get lost.
> Anyhow I appreciate so much your offer and I think between you, joseph, and 
> brian we may figure out what the heck is going on, you never know I just 
> might be a doorknob after all. 
> Zoe
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Gilland
> Sent: November-20-15 10:34 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: back up failed
> 
> Zoey,
> 
> I wouldn’t ask you to pay right now for training.  Eventually, being this is 
> my job, I’m not going to lie to you, I probably would have to start charging, 
> but I’d be absolutely more than happy to at least give you a few lessons for 
> free.  It’s not something I normally do, admittedly, but given your 
> situation, I’d be willing to make a one time exception.
> 
> Chris.
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you so much for your patients Sabahattin
>> Sitting hear in tears I really appreciate your patients.  Because I can't 
>> afford paid lessons right now I guess I'm giving up and going back to 
>> windows since obviously I've tired out some people.
>> I just wanted to say from the bottom of my heart I won't forget your 
>> kindness and name.
>> Sincerely
>> zoe
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
>> Sent: November-20-15 9:12 PM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>> Subject: Re: back up failed
>> 
>> Hi Zoe,
>> 
>> No.  The USB key really is too slow for a backup device, although it might 
>> work for that.  I’m suggesting simply that you ensure that the files you 
>> value most dearly are somewhere other than either that Mac or that External 
>> hard drive.  That’s all.  Once you’re sure your data is safe, then you may 
>> go ahead with wiping, backup, upgrade, and so on.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Sabahattin
>> 
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Re: back up failed

2015-11-21 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland 
Well, I'm back home after my week long vacation, so though I've gotten get 
unpacked, aside from that, I'm home.  So, let me know if I can be of any 
help.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Zoe Fiogkos" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 10:32 AM
Subject: RE: back up failed


Thank you so much.  I actually sat down with sited people and went through 
david woodbridges podcast on mavricks, other applevis resourses etc.  The 
problem is my iMac or voiceover is not listening to my keyboard commands. 
I'm not stupid, things are not working correctly.  I don't claim to be a 
genious and of course I'm new to the mac but basic navigations that work in 
text edit but not in pages has nothing to do with me pressing wrong keys or 
being new at the mac..  Sorry for ranting but I feel a little disappointed 
and a little sad with some of the people on the list.  I have seen on all 
the various lists some of the same people sending tons of messages on one 
subject and I never complained I just hit delete.  Now after being quiet for 
2 years on the list I send a few more messages and I'm made to feel 
worthless, like my only recourse is paid lessons or get lost.
Anyhow I appreciate so much your offer and I think between you, joseph, and 
brian we may figure out what the heck is going on, you never know I just 
might be a doorknob after all.

Zoe

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Gilland

Sent: November-20-15 10:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: back up failed

Zoey,

I wouldn’t ask you to pay right now for training.  Eventually, being this is 
my job, I’m not going to lie to you, I probably would have to start 
charging, but I’d be absolutely more than happy to at least give you a few 
lessons for free.  It’s not something I normally do, admittedly, but given 
your situation, I’d be willing to make a one time exception.


Chris.


On Nov 20, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:

Thank you so much for your patients Sabahattin
Sitting hear in tears I really appreciate your patients.  Because I can't 
afford paid lessons right now I guess I'm giving up and going back to 
windows since obviously I've tired out some people.
I just wanted to say from the bottom of my heart I won't forget your 
kindness and name.

Sincerely
zoe

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu

Sent: November-20-15 9:12 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: back up failed

Hi Zoe,

No.  The USB key really is too slow for a backup device, although it might 
work for that.  I’m suggesting simply that you ensure that the files you 
value most dearly are somewhere other than either that Mac or that 
External hard drive.  That’s all.  Once you’re sure your data is safe, 
then you may go ahead with wiping, backup, upgrade, and so on.


Cheers,
Sabahattin

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RE: back up failed

2015-11-21 Thread Zoe Fiogkos 
Thank you so much.  I actually sat down with sited people and went through 
david woodbridges podcast on mavricks, other applevis resourses etc.  The 
problem is my iMac or voiceover is not listening to my keyboard commands.  I'm 
not stupid, things are not working correctly.  I don't claim to be a genious 
and of course I'm new to the mac but basic navigations that work in text edit 
but not in pages has nothing to do with me pressing wrong keys or being new at 
the mac..  Sorry for ranting but I feel a little disappointed and a little sad 
with some of the people on the list.  I have seen on all the various lists some 
of the same people sending tons of messages on one subject and I never 
complained I just hit delete.  Now after being quiet for 2 years on the list I 
send a few more messages and I'm made to feel worthless, like my only recourse 
is paid lessons or get lost.
Anyhow I appreciate so much your offer and I think between you, joseph, and 
brian we may figure out what the heck is going on, you never know I just might 
be a doorknob after all. 
Zoe

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Chris Gilland
Sent: November-20-15 10:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: back up failed

Zoey,

I wouldn’t ask you to pay right now for training.  Eventually, being this is my 
job, I’m not going to lie to you, I probably would have to start charging, but 
I’d be absolutely more than happy to at least give you a few lessons for free.  
It’s not something I normally do, admittedly, but given your situation, I’d be 
willing to make a one time exception.

Chris.

> On Nov 20, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
> 
> Thank you so much for your patients Sabahattin
> Sitting hear in tears I really appreciate your patients.  Because I can't 
> afford paid lessons right now I guess I'm giving up and going back to windows 
> since obviously I've tired out some people.
> I just wanted to say from the bottom of my heart I won't forget your kindness 
> and name.
> Sincerely
> zoe
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
> Sent: November-20-15 9:12 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Re: back up failed
> 
> Hi Zoe,
> 
> No.  The USB key really is too slow for a backup device, although it might 
> work for that.  I’m suggesting simply that you ensure that the files you 
> value most dearly are somewhere other than either that Mac or that External 
> hard drive.  That’s all.  Once you’re sure your data is safe, then you may go 
> ahead with wiping, backup, upgrade, and so on.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
> 
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Re: back up failed

2015-11-20 Thread Chris Gilland 
Zoey,

I wouldn’t ask you to pay right now for training.  Eventually, being this is my 
job, I’m not going to lie to you, I probably would have to start charging, but 
I’d be absolutely more than happy to at least give you a few lessons for free.  
It’s not something I normally do, admittedly, but given your situation, I’d be 
willing to make a one time exception.

Chris.

> On Nov 20, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
> 
> Thank you so much for your patients Sabahattin
> Sitting hear in tears I really appreciate your patients.  Because I can't 
> afford paid lessons right now I guess I'm giving up and going back to windows 
> since obviously I've tired out some people.
> I just wanted to say from the bottom of my heart I won't forget your kindness 
> and name.
> Sincerely
> zoe
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
> Sent: November-20-15 9:12 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Re: back up failed
> 
> Hi Zoe,
> 
> No.  The USB key really is too slow for a backup device, although it might 
> work for that.  I’m suggesting simply that you ensure that the files you 
> value most dearly are somewhere other than either that Mac or that External 
> hard drive.  That’s all.  Once you’re sure your data is safe, then you may go 
> ahead with wiping, backup, upgrade, and so on.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
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RE: back up failed

2015-11-20 Thread Zoe Fiogkos 
Thank you so much for your patients Sabahattin
Sitting hear in tears I really appreciate your patients.  Because I can't 
afford paid lessons right now I guess I'm giving up and going back to windows 
since obviously I've tired out some people.
I just wanted to say from the bottom of my heart I won't forget your kindness 
and name.
Sincerely
zoe

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Sent: November-20-15 9:12 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: back up failed

Hi Zoe,

No.  The USB key really is too slow for a backup device, although it might work 
for that.  I’m suggesting simply that you ensure that the files you value most 
dearly are somewhere other than either that Mac or that External hard drive.  
That’s all.  Once you’re sure your data is safe, then you may go ahead with 
wiping, backup, upgrade, and so on.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: back up failed

2015-11-20 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu 
Hi Zoe,

No.  The USB key really is too slow for a backup device, although it might work 
for that.  I’m suggesting simply that you ensure that the files you value most 
dearly are somewhere other than either that Mac or that External hard drive.  
That’s all.  Once you’re sure your data is safe, then you may go ahead with 
wiping, backup, upgrade, and so on.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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RE: back up failed

2015-11-20 Thread Zoe Fiogkos 
Sorry are you saying I should use the usb for the back up?


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On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Sent: November-20-15 8:52 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: back up failed

Don’t format that disk and don’t use it for Time Machine yet.  Get a copy of 
your data onto a second external drive first.  That USB key will probably do 
just what you want.

Time Machine wants Mac OS X Extended volumes for backups.  That means 
destroying any existing data on the device.  Moreover, Time Machine wants to 
consume as much space as there is available, so sharing Time Machine with other 
uses is not a good idea.

When you’re up and running with El Capitan, shove your important stuff onto 
iCloud Drive, where you can’t accidentally format the drive.

Don’t rush into anything.  There is a tomorrow. :)

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Re: back up failed

2015-11-20 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu 
Don’t format that disk and don’t use it for Time Machine yet.  Get a copy of 
your data onto a second external drive first.  That USB key will probably do 
just what you want.

Time Machine wants Mac OS X Extended volumes for backups.  That means 
destroying any existing data on the device.  Moreover, Time Machine wants to 
consume as much space as there is available, so sharing Time Machine with other 
uses is not a good idea.

When you’re up and running with El Capitan, shove your important stuff onto 
iCloud Drive, where you can’t accidentally format the drive.

Don’t rush into anything.  There is a tomorrow. :)

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Re: back up failed

2015-11-20 Thread Chris Gilland 
That can be done in Disk Utility, but yeah, if you have a lot of data on the 
drive, then you’d definitely not want to go that avenue… especially not if you 
plan to use the drive both on Windows, and also on the mac.  Sounds like at 
this point, you’re unfortunately kind of in a catch 22 situation.

Chris.

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> First of all I don’t know how to do that.  Second of all I have a lot of 
> files on there that I use on my windows pc.  That’s why I tried to install 
> the drive on the mac and when it said option for mac and pc I said yes but 
> unfortunately it says something like about paragon and that it’s not 
> compatable.  So now I’m stuck again.  Don’t know what to do.
>  
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> format the disk to os mac extended
>> Il giorno 20 nov 2015, alle ore 11:42 PM, Zoe Fiogkos > <mailto:fiog...@rogers.com>> ha scritto:
>>  
>> I saw a message that said something to the effect of back up failed because 
>> the back up disk
>> Is ntot a mac osx extended journal format which is required.  I like the 
>> fact that I clicked when installing the drive mac install dmg and it asked 
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RE: back up failed

2015-11-20 Thread Zoe Fiogkos 
First of all I don’t know how to do that.  Second of all I have a lot of files 
on there that I use on my windows pc.  That’s why I tried to install the drive 
on the mac and when it said option for mac and pc I said yes but unfortunately 
it says something like about paragon and that it’s not compatable.  So now I’m 
stuck again.  Don’t know what to do.
 
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On Behalf Of Dionipher Presas Herrera
Sent: November-20-15 7:03 PM
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Subject: Re: back up failed
 
format the disk to os mac extended
Il giorno 20 nov 2015, alle ore 11:42 PM, Zoe Fiogkos  ha 
scritto:
 
I saw a message that said something to the effect of back up failed because the 
back up disk
Is ntot a mac osx extended journal format which is required.  I like the fact 
that I clicked when installing the drive mac install dmg and it asked me if I 
want to use this drive for pc and mac. It told me that the drive was installed 
successfully so now what do I do how do I proceed?  There must be someone who 
can help me.  
 
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Re: back up failed

2015-11-20 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera 
format the disk to os mac extended
> Il giorno 20 nov 2015, alle ore 11:42 PM, Zoe Fiogkos  ha 
> scritto:
> 
> I saw a message that said something to the effect of back up failed because 
> the back up disk
> Is ntot a mac osx extended journal format which is required.  I like the fact 
> that I clicked when installing the drive mac install dmg and it asked me if I 
> want to use this drive for pc and mac. It told me that the drive was 
> installed successfully so now what do I do how do I proceed?  There must be 
> someone who can help me.  
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