Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-23 Thread Faisal ali
the trend for those are  quite ominous. Bots are capturing  all captchas and 
recording all of them. what is happening now is that these saved captchas are 
being placed on randomly created websites and domaines where actual human 
beings are solving them thereby the bots getting the proper responses they need 
to bypass captchas. Google is implementing something very unique but there 
isn’t much to go on to determine how affective it is.
 On Jan 22, 2015, at 7:45 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 General problem with those is that an algorithm can parse and solve those as 
 well. The better solution is to just provide an audio captcha.
 
 CB
 
 On 1/22/15 7:10 PM, Joseph wrote:
 Hello,
 Why not request to solve a brief math problem? I’ve seen this on several 
 pages and I love this concept.
 
 On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 nope, and I suggested it.
 On Jan 12, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Gabe Griffith gabrielgriff...@gmail.com 
 mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Do they have an option for an audio captcha?
 
 Gabe
 
 
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thought you guys would want to see the response I received from Amazon 
 regarding the captchas on the gift card page.
 Hello, 
 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ implements CAPTCHA on several features on 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ such as password changes. Users are 
 presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the 
 picture into a text entry field before continuing. 
 
 Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
 accessing features on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/. We do this to 
 maintain the security of your account and personal information. 
 
 If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to read 
 or enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the 
 following link. You can either enter your number and we'll give you a 
 call, or you call us directly at one of the numbers provided on the page. 
 
 www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Faccessibility-contactus%3Fref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330A=L2VILWOTCGCVWFJ3YUTTK1LWI7OAH=HMM2AWSSYZHZPISD7FSW9PV0K5KA
  
 
 We hope to see you again soon.
 
 Best regards,
 Bea D.
 Did I solve your problem?
 Yes 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fhelp%2Fsurvey%3Fp%3DA25LD1M5ZG0U4C%26k%3Dhy%26ref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330_cscem_hmdyes_ht_1A=VZAXUBITMXTEFDBFGJJW3KECUKIAH=ZD697QAXRKRNDCWYJYU9HUDLJPWA
   No 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fhelp%2Fsurvey%3Fp%3DA25LD1M5ZG0U4C%26k%3Dhn%26ref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330_cscem_hmdno_ht_1A=FRQF5EPAQXXQHNKVLU9XKWRA2RGAH=QAOA43UIY5WSPJMYUFTPPHU0L34A
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Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-23 Thread Brent Harding
The google thing uses a checkbox and trying to determine if a person is 
clicking it. I've found it kind of hit or miss with Jaws though. I suspect it 
might be because of the way a screen reader clicks on things might false 
trigger them to think one isn't real.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Faisal ali 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 11:56 AM
  Subject: Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas


  the trend for those are  quite ominous. Bots are capturing  all captchas and 
recording all of them. what is happening now is that these saved captchas are 
being placed on randomly created websites and domaines where actual human 
beings are solving them thereby the bots getting the proper responses they need 
to bypass captchas. Google is implementing something very unique but there 
isn’t much to go on to determine how affective it is.

On Jan 22, 2015, at 7:45 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:


General problem with those is that an algorithm can parse and solve those 
as well. The better solution is to just provide an audio captcha.

CB


On 1/22/15 7:10 PM, Joseph wrote:

  Hello, 
  Why not request to solve a brief math problem? I’ve seen this on several 
pages and I love this concept.


On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:


nope, and I suggested it.

  On Jan 12, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Gabe Griffith 
gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:


  Hi, 


  Do they have an option for an audio captcha?


  Gabe




  On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:


Thought you guys would want to see the response I received from 
Amazon regarding the captchas on the gift card page. 
  Hello, 

  Amazon.com implements CAPTCHA on several features 
on Amazon.com such as password changes. Users are presented with a picture, and 
asked to copy the text string in the picture into a text entry field before 
continuing. 

  Entering the characters displayed helps prevent 
automated programs from accessing features on Amazon.com. We do this to 
maintain the security of your account and personal information. 

  If you're presented with a verification screen 
and you're unable to read or enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press 
enter on the following link. You can either enter your number and we'll give 
you a call, or you call us directly at one of the numbers provided on the page. 

  www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus 

  We hope to see you again soon. 
   

  Best regards,
  Bea D.
 
   
  Did I solve your problem?
  Yes  No 
  Your feedback is helping us build Earth's Most 
Customer-Centric Company.
 
  Thank you. 
  Amazon.com 
   
 



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Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-23 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Hmm, not so sure about that. I know the audio captchas I've played with 
are a string of 6-8 random letters or numbers strung together with 
different voices speaking each letter at different pitches and durations 
overlaid with noise and background speech. I suspect nearly every one is 
different.


CB

On 1/23/15 12:56 PM, Faisal ali wrote:
the trend for those are  quite ominous. Bots are capturing  all 
captchas and recording all of them. what is happening now is that 
these saved captchas are being placed on randomly created websites and 
domaines where actual human beings are solving them thereby the bots 
getting the proper responses they need to bypass captchas. Google is 
implementing something very unique but there isn’t much to go on to 
determine how affective it is.
On Jan 22, 2015, at 7:45 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:


General problem with those is that an algorithm can parse and solve 
those as well. The better solution is to just provide an audio captcha.


CB

On 1/22/15 7:10 PM, Joseph wrote:

Hello,
Why not request to solve a brief math problem? I’ve seen this on 
several pages and I love this concept.


On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
wrote:


nope, and I suggested it.
On Jan 12, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Gabe Griffith 
gabrielgriff...@gmail.com mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,

Do they have an option for an audio captcha?

Gabe


On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Thought you guys would want to see the response I received from 
Amazon regarding the captchas on the gift card page.

Hello,

Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ implements CAPTCHA on several 
features on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ such as password 
changes. Users are presented with a picture, and asked to copy 
the text string in the picture into a text entry field before 
continuing.


Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated 
programs from accessing features on Amazon.com 
http://amazon.com/. We do this to maintain the security of your 
account and personal information.


If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable 
to read or enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press 
enter on the following link. You can either enter your number and 
we'll give you a call, or you call us directly at one of the 
numbers provided on the page.


www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus 
http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Faccessibility-contactus%3Fref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330A=L2VILWOTCGCVWFJ3YUTTK1LWI7OAH=HMM2AWSSYZHZPISD7FSW9PV0K5KA 



We hope to see you again soon.


Best regards,
Bea D.

*Did I solve your problem?*
Yes 
http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fhelp%2Fsurvey%3Fp%3DA25LD1M5ZG0U4C%26k%3Dhy%26ref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330_cscem_hmdyes_ht_1A=VZAXUBITMXTEFDBFGJJW3KECUKIAH=ZD697QAXRKRNDCWYJYU9HUDLJPWA 
No 
http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fhelp%2Fsurvey%3Fp%3DA25LD1M5ZG0U4C%26k%3Dhn%26ref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330_cscem_hmdno_ht_1A=FRQF5EPAQXXQHNKVLU9XKWRA2RGAH=QAOA43UIY5WSPJMYUFTPPHU0L34A


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Thank you.
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Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-23 Thread Faisal ali
Hi,
to my knowledge, if you keep hitting on new challenge, a new set of letters and 
numbers will appear. These bots keep hitting new challenge and recording what 
shows up. Naturally, there is a certain amount of letter and number 
combinations before this is exhausted. This is how they are able to get passed 
it. for this very reason, companies like google are looking for alternative 
methods of verifying whether you are human. I have sighted family members and 
colleagues who also complain that the captcha  images are very difficult to 
read and the audio captchas are extremely difficult to understand as they are 
horribly distorted, to the point of being incomprehensible on some sites.
 On Jan 23, 2015, at 11:12 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 Hmm, not so sure about that. I know the audio captchas I've played with are a 
 string of 6-8 random letters or numbers strung together with different voices 
 speaking each letter at different pitches and durations overlaid with noise 
 and background speech. I suspect nearly every one is different.
 
 CB
 
 On 1/23/15 12:56 PM, Faisal ali wrote:
 the trend for those are  quite ominous. Bots are capturing  all captchas and 
 recording all of them. what is happening now is that these saved captchas 
 are being placed on randomly created websites and domaines where actual 
 human beings are solving them thereby the bots getting the proper responses 
 they need to bypass captchas. Google is implementing something very unique 
 but there isn’t much to go on to determine how affective it is.
 On Jan 22, 2015, at 7:45 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 wrote:
 
 General problem with those is that an algorithm can parse and solve those 
 as well. The better solution is to just provide an audio captcha.
 
 CB
 
 On 1/22/15 7:10 PM, Joseph wrote:
 Hello,
 Why not request to solve a brief math problem? I’ve seen this on several 
 pages and I love this concept.
 
 On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 nope, and I suggested it.
 On Jan 12, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Gabe Griffith gabrielgriff...@gmail.com 
 mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Do they have an option for an audio captcha?
 
 Gabe
 
 
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thought you guys would want to see the response I received from Amazon 
 regarding the captchas on the gift card page.
 Hello, 
 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ implements CAPTCHA on several features 
 on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ such as password changes. Users are 
 presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the 
 picture into a text entry field before continuing. 
 
 Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
 accessing features on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/. We do this to 
 maintain the security of your account and personal information. 
 
 If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to 
 read or enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the 
 following link. You can either enter your number and we'll give you a 
 call, or you call us directly at one of the numbers provided on the 
 page. 
 
 www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Faccessibility-contactus%3Fref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330A=L2VILWOTCGCVWFJ3YUTTK1LWI7OAH=HMM2AWSSYZHZPISD7FSW9PV0K5KA
  
 
 We hope to see you again soon.
 
 Best regards,
 Bea D.
 Did I solve your problem?
 Yes 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fhelp%2Fsurvey%3Fp%3DA25LD1M5ZG0U4C%26k%3Dhy%26ref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330_cscem_hmdyes_ht_1A=VZAXUBITMXTEFDBFGJJW3KECUKIAH=ZD697QAXRKRNDCWYJYU9HUDLJPWA
   No 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fhelp%2Fsurvey%3Fp%3DA25LD1M5ZG0U4C%26k%3Dhn%26ref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330_cscem_hmdno_ht_1A=FRQF5EPAQXXQHNKVLU9XKWRA2RGAH=QAOA43UIY5WSPJMYUFTPPHU0L34A
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Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-23 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Yup, I agree that the arms race has reached the point where it's become 
difficult for real people to pass either the visual or audio captchas 
because they have to be scrambled so much to knock out the bots. As far 
as the number of combinations, just the 26 letter and 10 numbers (36 
glyphs) with, say, six chosen for each puzzle would be about 2 billion 
different sets. Somebody would have to do a lot of recordings to crack 
that even without the voice pitch and duration changes. I'm hoping 
someday for a better puzzle which differentiates between perception 
which is easy for humans and hard for algorithms. The best thing I've 
found so far was published in a paper by Jonathan Lazar which uses sound 
cues and timings. Maybe someday I'll have the bandwidth to try and 
implement their solution.


triton.towson.edu/~jlazar/soundsright_chi2012.doc

CB

On 1/23/15 2:19 PM, Faisal ali wrote:

Hi,
to my knowledge, if you keep hitting on new challenge, a new set of 
letters and numbers will appear. These bots keep hitting new challenge 
and recording what shows up. Naturally, there is a certain amount of 
letter and number combinations before this is exhausted. This is how 
they are able to get passed it. for this very reason, companies like 
google are looking for alternative methods of verifying whether you 
are human. I have sighted family members and colleagues who also 
complain that the captcha  images are very difficult to read and the 
audio captchas are extremely difficult to understand as they are 
horribly distorted, to the point of being incomprehensible on some sites.
On Jan 23, 2015, at 11:12 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:


Hmm, not so sure about that. I know the audio captchas I've played 
with are a string of 6-8 random letters or numbers strung together 
with different voices speaking each letter at different pitches and 
durations overlaid with noise and background speech. I suspect nearly 
every one is different.


CB

On 1/23/15 12:56 PM, Faisal ali wrote:
the trend for those are  quite ominous. Bots are capturing  all 
captchas and recording all of them. what is happening now is that 
these saved captchas are being placed on randomly created websites 
and domaines where actual human beings are solving them thereby the 
bots getting the proper responses they need to bypass captchas. 
Google is implementing something very unique but there isn’t much to 
go on to determine how affective it is.
On Jan 22, 2015, at 7:45 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:


General problem with those is that an algorithm can parse and solve 
those as well. The better solution is to just provide an audio captcha.


CB

On 1/22/15 7:10 PM, Joseph wrote:

Hello,
Why not request to solve a brief math problem? I’ve seen this on 
several pages and I love this concept.


On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:


nope, and I suggested it.
On Jan 12, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Gabe Griffith 
gabrielgriff...@gmail.com mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Hi,

Do they have an option for an audio captcha?

Gabe


On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:


Thought you guys would want to see the response I received from 
Amazon regarding the captchas on the gift card page.

Hello,

Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ implements CAPTCHA on several 
features on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ such as password 
changes. Users are presented with a picture, and asked to copy 
the text string in the picture into a text entry field before 
continuing.


Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated 
programs from accessing features on Amazon.com 
http://amazon.com/. We do this to maintain the security of 
your account and personal information.


If you're presented with a verification screen and you're 
unable to read or enter the word(s) displayed, please click or 
press enter on the following link. You can either enter your 
number and we'll give you a call, or you call us directly at 
one of the numbers provided on the page.


www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus 
http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Faccessibility-contactus%3Fref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330A=L2VILWOTCGCVWFJ3YUTTK1LWI7OAH=HMM2AWSSYZHZPISD7FSW9PV0K5KA 



We hope to see you again soon.


Best regards,
Bea D.

*Did I solve your problem?*
Yes 
http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fhelp%2Fsurvey%3Fp%3DA25LD1M5ZG0U4C%26k%3Dhy%26ref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330_cscem_hmdyes_ht_1A=VZAXUBITMXTEFDBFGJJW3KECUKIAH=ZD697QAXRKRNDCWYJYU9HUDLJPWA 
No 

Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-22 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
General problem with those is that an algorithm can parse and solve 
those as well. The better solution is to just provide an audio captcha.


CB

On 1/22/15 7:10 PM, Joseph wrote:

Hello,
Why not request to solve a brief math problem? I’ve seen this on 
several pages and I love this concept.


On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:


nope, and I suggested it.
On Jan 12, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Gabe Griffith 
gabrielgriff...@gmail.com mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,

Do they have an option for an audio captcha?

Gabe


On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Thought you guys would want to see the response I received from 
Amazon regarding the captchas on the gift card page.

Hello,

Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ implements CAPTCHA on several 
features on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ such as password 
changes. Users are presented with a picture, and asked to copy the 
text string in the picture into a text entry field before continuing.


Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs 
from accessing features on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/. We do 
this to maintain the security of your account and personal 
information.


If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to 
read or enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on 
the following link. You can either enter your number and we'll give 
you a call, or you call us directly at one of the numbers provided 
on the page.


www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus 
http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Faccessibility-contactus%3Fref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330A=L2VILWOTCGCVWFJ3YUTTK1LWI7OAH=HMM2AWSSYZHZPISD7FSW9PV0K5KA 



We hope to see you again soon.


Best regards,
Bea D.

*Did I solve your problem?*
Yes 
http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fhelp%2Fsurvey%3Fp%3DA25LD1M5ZG0U4C%26k%3Dhy%26ref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330_cscem_hmdyes_ht_1A=VZAXUBITMXTEFDBFGJJW3KECUKIAH=ZD697QAXRKRNDCWYJYU9HUDLJPWA 
No 
http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fhelp%2Fsurvey%3Fp%3DA25LD1M5ZG0U4C%26k%3Dhn%26ref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330_cscem_hmdno_ht_1A=FRQF5EPAQXXQHNKVLU9XKWRA2RGAH=QAOA43UIY5WSPJMYUFTPPHU0L34A


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Thank you.
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Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-22 Thread Joseph
Hello,
Why not request to solve a brief math problem? I’ve seen this on several pages 
and I love this concept.

 On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 nope, and I suggested it.
 On Jan 12, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Gabe Griffith gabrielgriff...@gmail.com 
 mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Do they have an option for an audio captcha?
 
 Gabe
 
 
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thought you guys would want to see the response I received from Amazon 
 regarding the captchas on the gift card page.
 Hello, 
 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ implements CAPTCHA on several features on 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ such as password changes. Users are 
 presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the picture 
 into a text entry field before continuing. 
 
 Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
 accessing features on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/. We do this to 
 maintain the security of your account and personal information. 
 
 If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to read or 
 enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the following 
 link. You can either enter your number and we'll give you a call, or you 
 call us directly at one of the numbers provided on the page. 
 
 www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Faccessibility-contactus%3Fref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330A=L2VILWOTCGCVWFJ3YUTTK1LWI7OAH=HMM2AWSSYZHZPISD7FSW9PV0K5KA
  
 
 We hope to see you again soon.
 
 Best regards,
 Bea D.
 Did I solve your problem?
 Yes 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fhelp%2Fsurvey%3Fp%3DA25LD1M5ZG0U4C%26k%3Dhy%26ref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330_cscem_hmdyes_ht_1A=VZAXUBITMXTEFDBFGJJW3KECUKIAH=ZD697QAXRKRNDCWYJYU9HUDLJPWA
   No 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fhelp%2Fsurvey%3Fp%3DA25LD1M5ZG0U4C%26k%3Dhn%26ref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330_cscem_hmdno_ht_1A=FRQF5EPAQXXQHNKVLU9XKWRA2RGAH=QAOA43UIY5WSPJMYUFTPPHU0L34A
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 Thank you.
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Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-22 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
nope, and I suggested it.
 On Jan 12, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Gabe Griffith gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Do they have an option for an audio captcha?
 
 Gabe
 
 
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thought you guys would want to see the response I received from Amazon 
 regarding the captchas on the gift card page.
 Hello, 
 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ implements CAPTCHA on several features on 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ such as password changes. Users are 
 presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the picture 
 into a text entry field before continuing. 
 
 Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
 accessing features on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/. We do this to 
 maintain the security of your account and personal information. 
 
 If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to read or 
 enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the following 
 link. You can either enter your number and we'll give you a call, or you 
 call us directly at one of the numbers provided on the page. 
 
 www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Faccessibility-contactus%3Fref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330A=L2VILWOTCGCVWFJ3YUTTK1LWI7OAH=HMM2AWSSYZHZPISD7FSW9PV0K5KA
  
 
 We hope to see you again soon.
 
 Best regards,
 Bea D.
 Did I solve your problem?
 Yes 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fhelp%2Fsurvey%3Fp%3DA25LD1M5ZG0U4C%26k%3Dhy%26ref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330_cscem_hmdyes_ht_1A=VZAXUBITMXTEFDBFGJJW3KECUKIAH=ZD697QAXRKRNDCWYJYU9HUDLJPWA
   No 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fhelp%2Fsurvey%3Fp%3DA25LD1M5ZG0U4C%26k%3Dhn%26ref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330_cscem_hmdno_ht_1A=FRQF5EPAQXXQHNKVLU9XKWRA2RGAH=QAOA43UIY5WSPJMYUFTPPHU0L34A
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 Thank you.
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/
 
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Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-21 Thread Bill Gallik
Seems to me that the CAPTIA is presented when trying to change your 
password.


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Subject: Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas


If memory serves, you  met  with  this using the app, is that correct?
If so, are others checking the same way?
Kare


On Sun, 11 Jan 2015, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:


Hello:
I do a lot of Swagbucking and m Amazon cards are sent via email, so that 
isnā?Tt the issue. Iā?Tve redeemed Amazon cards for years without issues. 
Saturday was the first time Iā?Tve ever seen this. I even tried with 
different web browsers. The people at Amazon said some parts of their site 
use captchas now. Go figure.

On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:

First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there 
was no captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read this 
thread but I went to the website and I see no captcha. I approached this 
both from the main site and the access site even though I never actually 
use the access site. Both with Audible and Amazon, I much prefer to use 
the main site. So I'm a little puzzled as to how one person could see a 
captcha while another doesn't. You do have to sign in with your username 
and password and you do have to enter the claim code. You even can get 
around reading a claim code by having people email your gift cards 
instead of sending them by snail mail or giving them to you when the 
person involved uses email. It's not that i'm doubting your statement 
that there was a captcha; I personally simply don't see any request for 
one and never have in my own experience. Maybe they have started doing it 
for some accounts and others will follow though that doesn't totally make 
sense to me either.


Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in 
some instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I know 
about passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's overkill. We 
can argue about whether that other form should be captcha r not and we 
can argue about whether or not there should be an accessible alternative 
and what that alternative should be, but i don't really think we can 
argue that something in addition to username and password is overkill, at 
least in some situations.


It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I rarely 
run into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account and 
perhaps when you change your password you might have to enter a captcha, 
but I'm not going to change mine just to test this out. There may be some 
other instances.


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I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
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great is your faithfulness.
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On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:


Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to 
redeem a gift card!
I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name 
and password, a captcha is just over kill!
On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith gabrielgriff...@gmail.com 
mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,

Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility 
lawyer I know here in California to get her take on whether or not this 
is an acceptable solution and what further action can be taken. I for 
one am not comfortable with this solution as it would mean giving an 
amazon representative anything from your gift card number to your 
password which could give them access to saved credit card information.


Gabe


On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
wrote:




Hello,

Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ implements CAPTCHA on several features 
on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ such as password changes. Users are 
presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the 
picture into a text entry field before continuing.


Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
accessing features on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/. We do this to 
maintain the security of your account and personal information.


If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to 
read or enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the 
following link. You can either enter your number and we'll

Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-15 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
Nope! No audio captcha.
 On Jan 12, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Gabe Griffith gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Do they have an option for an audio captcha?
 
 Gabe
 
 
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thought you guys would want to see the response I received from Amazon 
 regarding the captchas on the gift card page.
 Hello, 
 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ implements CAPTCHA on several features on 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ such as password changes. Users are 
 presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the picture 
 into a text entry field before continuing. 
 
 Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
 accessing features on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/. We do this to 
 maintain the security of your account and personal information. 
 
 If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to read or 
 enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the following 
 link. You can either enter your number and we'll give you a call, or you 
 call us directly at one of the numbers provided on the page. 
 
 www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Faccessibility-contactus%3Fref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330A=L2VILWOTCGCVWFJ3YUTTK1LWI7OAH=HMM2AWSSYZHZPISD7FSW9PV0K5KA
  
 
 We hope to see you again soon.
 
 Best regards,
 Bea D.
 Did I solve your problem?
 Yes 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fhelp%2Fsurvey%3Fp%3DA25LD1M5ZG0U4C%26k%3Dhy%26ref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330_cscem_hmdyes_ht_1A=VZAXUBITMXTEFDBFGJJW3KECUKIAH=ZD697QAXRKRNDCWYJYU9HUDLJPWA
   No 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fhelp%2Fsurvey%3Fp%3DA25LD1M5ZG0U4C%26k%3Dhn%26ref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330_cscem_hmdno_ht_1A=FRQF5EPAQXXQHNKVLU9XKWRA2RGAH=QAOA43UIY5WSPJMYUFTPPHU0L34A
 Your feedback is helping us build Earth's Most Customer-Centric Company.
 
 Thank you.
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/
 
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Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-12 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Well, frankly, if I wanted to run windows, I'll use a windows machine.  I 
didn't buy this Mac book pro to run windows.  To me, that's no answer.

Yes, I have seen this from Amazon before and the only work around is to use:

www.amazon.com/access

Even then, I'm still not sure to what extent that works.

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

 On Jan 11, 2015, at 11:54 PM, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 you’d have to run windows or linux to use it on the Mac. I was running xp. 
 when I used it very successfully.
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 11:24 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I’ve never gotten web visum to work on the Mac.
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 if you have access to firefox you can get webvisum. that often worked for 
 me with standard capchas. 
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net 
 wrote:
 
 If memory serves, you  met  with  this using the app, is that correct?
 If so, are others checking the same way?
 Kare
 
 
 On Sun, 11 Jan 2015, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 Hello:
 I do a lot of Swagbucking and m Amazon cards are sent via email, so that 
 isn’t the issue. I’ve redeemed Amazon cards for years without issues. 
 Saturday was the first time I’ve ever seen this. I even tried with 
 different web browsers. The people at Amazon said some parts of their 
 site use captchas now. Go figure.
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there 
 was no captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read this 
 thread but I went to the website and I see no captcha. I approached this 
 both from the main site and the access site even though I never actually 
 use the access site. Both with Audible and Amazon, I much prefer to use 
 the main site. So I'm a little puzzled as to how one person could see a 
 captcha while another doesn't. You do have to sign in with your username 
 and password and you do have to enter the claim code. You even can get 
 around reading a claim code by having people email your gift cards 
 instead of sending them by snail mail or giving them to you when the 
 person involved uses email. It's not that i'm doubting your statement 
 that there was a captcha; I personally simply don't see any request for 
 one and never have in my own experience. Maybe they have started doing 
 it for some accounts and others will follow though that doesn't totally 
 make sense to me either.
 
 Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in 
 some instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I 
 know about passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's 
 overkill. We can argue about whether that other form should be captcha r 
 not and we can argue about whether or not there should be an accessible 
 alternative and what that alternative should be, but i don't really 
 think we can argue that something in addition to username and password 
 is overkill, at least in some situations.
 
 It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I rarely 
 run into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account and 
 perhaps when you change your password you might have to enter a captcha, 
 but I'm not going to change mine just to test this out. There may be 
 some other instances.
 
 --
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to 
 redeem a gift card!
 I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name 
 and password, a captcha is just over kill!
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith gabrielgriff...@gmail.com 
 mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility 
 lawyer I know here in California to get her take on whether or not this 
 is an acceptable solution and what further action can be taken. I for 
 one am not comfortable with this solution as it would mean giving an 
 amazon representative anything from your gift card number to your 
 password which could give them access to saved credit card information.
 
 Gabe
 
 
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 

Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-12 Thread Chris G

Try www.skipimput.com

Chris


Mystic Access
Where the magic is in learning.
733 Delaware Rd 341
Buffalo, NY 14223
Phone: (716) 803-8528
web: www.mysticaccess.com

Accessible Gadgets mailing list:   
http://lists.mysticaccess.com/listinfo.cgi/accessiblegadgets-mysticaccess.com

Podcast: www.mysticaccesspodcast.com
Twitter: MysticAccess
Twitter: JediKent

On 12-Jan-15 12:23 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

I was using Safari on my Mac.

On Jan 11, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:

If memory serves, you  met  with  this using the app, is that correct?
If so, are others checking the same way?
Kare


On Sun, 11 Jan 2015, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:


Hello:
I do a lot of Swagbucking and m Amazon cards are sent via email, so that isn’t 
the issue. I’ve redeemed Amazon cards for years without issues. Saturday was 
the first time I’ve ever seen this. I even tried with different web browsers. 
The people at Amazon said some parts of their site use captchas now. Go figure.

On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:

First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there was no 
captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read this thread but I 
went to the website and I see no captcha. I approached this both from the main 
site and the access site even though I never actually use the access site. Both 
with Audible and Amazon, I much prefer to use the main site. So I'm a little 
puzzled as to how one person could see a captcha while another doesn't. You do 
have to sign in with your username and password and you do have to enter the 
claim code. You even can get around reading a claim code by having people email 
your gift cards instead of sending them by snail mail or giving them to you 
when the person involved uses email. It's not that i'm doubting your statement 
that there was a captcha; I personally simply don't see any request for one and 
never have in my own experience. Maybe they have started doing it for some 
accounts and others will follow though that doesn't t

otally make sense to me either.


Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in some 
instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I know about 
passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's overkill. We can argue 
about whether that other form should be captcha r not and we can argue about 
whether or not there should be an accessible alternative and what that 
alternative should be, but i don't really think we can argue that something in 
addition to username and password is overkill, at least in some situations.

It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I rarely run 
into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account and perhaps when you 
change your password you might have to enter a captcha, but I'm not going to 
change mine just to test this out. There may be some other instances.

--
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:

Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to redeem a 
gift card!
I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name and 
password, a captcha is just over kill!

On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith gabrielgriff...@gmail.com 
mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility lawyer I 
know here in California to get her take on whether or not this is an acceptable 
solution and what further action can be taken. I for one am not comfortable 
with this solution as it would mean giving an amazon representative anything 
from your gift card number to your password which could give them access to 
saved credit card information.

Gabe


On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:



Hello,

Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ implements CAPTCHA on several features on Amazon.com 
http://amazon.com/ such as password changes. Users are presented with a picture, 
and asked to copy the text string in the picture into a text entry field before continuing.

Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from accessing 
features on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/. We do this to maintain the 
security of your account and personal information.

If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to read or 
enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the 

Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-12 Thread The Believer
   Take a screenshot and send it to someone who can read it and send 
the results back to you while you wait.


From The Believer. . .
 . . . what if it were true?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 1/12/2015 11:27 AM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I’ve considered using linux. I bet it would run great on a Mac. the best thing 
woud be if Apple did a thing like webvisum or if firefox was accessible on the 
Mac.

On Jan 12, 2015, at 3:19 AM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:

Well, frankly, if I wanted to run windows, I'll use a windows machine.  I 
didn't buy this Mac book pro to run windows.  To me, that's no answer.

Yes, I have seen this from Amazon before and the only work around is to use:

www.amazon.com/access http://www.amazon.com/access

Even then, I'm still not sure to what extent that works.

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in


On Jan 11, 2015, at 11:54 PM, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com 
mailto:lorice...@gmail.com wrote:

you’d have to run windows or linux to use it on the Mac. I was running xp. when 
I used it very successfully.

On Jan 11, 2015, at 11:24 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:

I’ve never gotten web visum to work on the Mac.

On Jan 11, 2015, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com 
mailto:lorice...@gmail.com wrote:

if you have access to firefox you can get webvisum. that often worked for me 
with standard capchas.

On Jan 11, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:

If memory serves, you  met  with  this using the app, is that correct?
If so, are others checking the same way?
Kare


On Sun, 11 Jan 2015, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:


Hello:
I do a lot of Swagbucking and m Amazon cards are sent via email, so that isn’t 
the issue. I’ve redeemed Amazon cards for years without issues. Saturday was 
the first time I’ve ever seen this. I even tried with different web browsers. 
The people at Amazon said some parts of their site use captchas now. Go figure.

On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com 
mailto:cah4...@icloud.com wrote:

First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there was no 
captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read this thread but I 
went to the website and I see no captcha. I approached this both from the main 
site and the access site even though I never actually use the access site. Both 
with Audible and Amazon, I much prefer to use the main site. So I'm a little 
puzzled as to how one person could see a captcha while another doesn't. You do 
have to sign in with your username and password and you do have to enter the 
claim code. You even can get around reading a claim code by having people email 
your gift cards instead of sending them by snail mail or giving them to you 
when the person involved uses email. It's not that i'm doubting your statement 
that there was a captcha; I personally simply don't see any request for one and 
never have in my own experience. Maybe they have started doing it for some 
accounts and others will follow though that doesn

't totally make sense to me either.


Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in some 
instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I know about 
passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's overkill. We can argue 
about whether that other form should be captcha r not and we can argue about 
whether or not there should be an accessible alternative and what that 
alternative should be, but i don't really think we can argue that something in 
addition to username and password is overkill, at least in some situations.

It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I rarely run 
into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account and perhaps when you 
change your password you might have to enter a captcha, but I'm not going to 
change mine just to test this out. There may be some other instances.

--
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:

Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to redeem a 
gift card!
I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name and 
password, a captcha is just over kill!

On Jan 

Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-12 Thread Lorie McCloud
how would this work? do you go to this site and then come back to where you 
were? 
 On Jan 12, 2015, at 2:43 AM, Chris G jedik...@mysticaccesspodcast.com wrote:
 
 Try www.skipimput.com
 
 Chris
 
 
 Mystic Access
 Where the magic is in learning.
 733 Delaware Rd 341
 Buffalo, NY 14223
 Phone: (716) 803-8528
 web: www.mysticaccess.com
 
 Accessible Gadgets mailing list:   
 http://lists.mysticaccess.com/listinfo.cgi/accessiblegadgets-mysticaccess.com
 Podcast: www.mysticaccesspodcast.com
 Twitter: MysticAccess
 Twitter: JediKent
 
 On 12-Jan-15 12:23 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 I was using Safari on my Mac.
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net 
 wrote:
 
 If memory serves, you  met  with  this using the app, is that correct?
 If so, are others checking the same way?
 Kare
 
 
 On Sun, 11 Jan 2015, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 Hello:
 I do a lot of Swagbucking and m Amazon cards are sent via email, so that 
 isn’t the issue. I’ve redeemed Amazon cards for years without issues. 
 Saturday was the first time I’ve ever seen this. I even tried with 
 different web browsers. The people at Amazon said some parts of their site 
 use captchas now. Go figure.
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there 
 was no captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read this 
 thread but I went to the website and I see no captcha. I approached this 
 both from the main site and the access site even though I never actually 
 use the access site. Both with Audible and Amazon, I much prefer to use 
 the main site. So I'm a little puzzled as to how one person could see a 
 captcha while another doesn't. You do have to sign in with your username 
 and password and you do have to enter the claim code. You even can get 
 around reading a claim code by having people email your gift cards 
 instead of sending them by snail mail or giving them to you when the 
 person involved uses email. It's not that i'm doubting your statement 
 that there was a captcha; I personally simply don't see any request for 
 one and never have in my own experience. Maybe they have started doing it 
 for some accounts and others will follow though that doesn't t
 otally make sense to me either.
 
 Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in 
 some instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I know 
 about passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's overkill. We 
 can argue about whether that other form should be captcha r not and we 
 can argue about whether or not there should be an accessible alternative 
 and what that alternative should be, but i don't really think we can 
 argue that something in addition to username and password is overkill, at 
 least in some situations.
 
 It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I rarely 
 run into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account and 
 perhaps when you change your password you might have to enter a captcha, 
 but I'm not going to change mine just to test this out. There may be some 
 other instances.
 
 --
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to 
 redeem a gift card!
 I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name 
 and password, a captcha is just over kill!
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith gabrielgriff...@gmail.com 
 mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility 
 lawyer I know here in California to get her take on whether or not this 
 is an acceptable solution and what further action can be taken. I for 
 one am not comfortable with this solution as it would mean giving an 
 amazon representative anything from your gift card number to your 
 password which could give them access to saved credit card information.
 
 Gabe
 
 
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Hello,
 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ implements CAPTCHA on several features 
 on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ such as password changes. Users are 
 presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the 
 picture into a text entry field before continuing.
 
 Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated 

Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-12 Thread Lorie McCloud
I’ve considered using linux. I bet it would run great on a Mac. the best thing 
woud be if Apple did a thing like webvisum or if firefox was accessible on the 
Mac. 
 On Jan 12, 2015, at 3:19 AM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Well, frankly, if I wanted to run windows, I'll use a windows machine.  I 
 didn't buy this Mac book pro to run windows.  To me, that's no answer.
 
 Yes, I have seen this from Amazon before and the only work around is to use:
 
 www.amazon.com/access http://www.amazon.com/access
 
 Even then, I'm still not sure to what extent that works.
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
 the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
 
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 11:54 PM, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com 
 mailto:lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 you’d have to run windows or linux to use it on the Mac. I was running xp. 
 when I used it very successfully.
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 11:24 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I’ve never gotten web visum to work on the Mac.
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com 
 mailto:lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 if you have access to firefox you can get webvisum. that often worked for 
 me with standard capchas. 
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net 
 mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:
 
 If memory serves, you  met  with  this using the app, is that correct?
 If so, are others checking the same way?
 Kare
 
 
 On Sun, 11 Jan 2015, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 Hello:
 I do a lot of Swagbucking and m Amazon cards are sent via email, so that 
 isn’t the issue. I’ve redeemed Amazon cards for years without issues. 
 Saturday was the first time I’ve ever seen this. I even tried with 
 different web browsers. The people at Amazon said some parts of their 
 site use captchas now. Go figure.
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com 
 mailto:cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there 
 was no captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read 
 this thread but I went to the website and I see no captcha. I 
 approached this both from the main site and the access site even though 
 I never actually use the access site. Both with Audible and Amazon, I 
 much prefer to use the main site. So I'm a little puzzled as to how one 
 person could see a captcha while another doesn't. You do have to sign 
 in with your username and password and you do have to enter the claim 
 code. You even can get around reading a claim code by having people 
 email your gift cards instead of sending them by snail mail or giving 
 them to you when the person involved uses email. It's not that i'm 
 doubting your statement that there was a captcha; I personally simply 
 don't see any request for one and never have in my own experience. 
 Maybe they have started doing it for some accounts and others will 
 follow though that doesn't totally make sense to me either.
 
 Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in 
 some instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I 
 know about passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's 
 overkill. We can argue about whether that other form should be captcha 
 r not and we can argue about whether or not there should be an 
 accessible alternative and what that alternative should be, but i don't 
 really think we can argue that something in addition to username and 
 password is overkill, at least in some situations.
 
 It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I 
 rarely run into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account 
 and perhaps when you change your password you might have to enter a 
 captcha, but I'm not going to change mine just to test this out. There 
 may be some other instances.
 
 --
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to 
 redeem a gift card!
 I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name 
 and password, a captcha is just over kill!
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith gabrielgriff...@gmail.com 
 mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com 

Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-12 Thread Gabe Griffith
Hi,

Do they have an option for an audio captcha?

Gabe


On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Thought you guys would want to see the response I received from Amazon 
 regarding the captchas on the gift card page.
 Hello, 
 
 Amazon.com implements CAPTCHA on several features on Amazon.com such as 
 password changes. Users are presented with a picture, and asked to copy the 
 text string in the picture into a text entry field before continuing. 
 
 Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
 accessing features on Amazon.com. We do this to maintain the security of your 
 account and personal information. 
 
 If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to read or 
 enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the following 
 link. You can either enter your number and we'll give you a call, or you call 
 us directly at one of the numbers provided on the page. 
 
 www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus 
 
 We hope to see you again soon.
 
 Best regards,
 Bea D.
 Did I solve your problem?
 Yes  No
 Your feedback is helping us build Earth's Most Customer-Centric Company.
 
 Thank you.
 Amazon.com
 
 
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Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-11 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to redeem a 
gift card!
I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name and 
password, a captcha is just over kill!
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility lawyer 
 I know here in California to get her take on whether or not this is an 
 acceptable solution and what further action can be taken. I for one am not 
 comfortable with this solution as it would mean giving an amazon 
 representative anything from your gift card number to your password which 
 could give them access to saved credit card information.
 
 Gabe
 
 
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Hello, 
 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ implements CAPTCHA on several features on 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ such as password changes. Users are 
 presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the picture 
 into a text entry field before continuing. 
 
 Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
 accessing features on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/. We do this to 
 maintain the security of your account and personal information. 
 
 If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to read or 
 enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the following 
 link. You can either enter your number and we'll give you a call, or you 
 call us directly at one of the numbers provided on the page. 
 
 www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Faccessibility-contactus%3Fref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330A=L2VILWOTCGCVWFJ3YUTTK1LWI7OAH=HMM2AWSSYZHZPISD7FSW9PV0K5KA
  
 
 We hope to see you again soon.
 
 Best regards,
 Bea D.
 Did I solve your problem?
 Yes 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fhelp%2Fsurvey%3Fp%3DA25LD1M5ZG0U4C%26k%3Dhy%26ref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330_cscem_hmdyes_ht_1A=VZAXUBITMXTEFDBFGJJW3KECUKIAH=ZD697QAXRKRNDCWYJYU9HUDLJPWA
   No 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fhelp%2Fsurvey%3Fp%3DA25LD1M5ZG0U4C%26k%3Dhn%26ref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330_cscem_hmdno_ht_1A=FRQF5EPAQXXQHNKVLU9XKWRA2RGAH=QAOA43UIY5WSPJMYUFTPPHU0L34A
 Your feedback is helping us build Earth's Most Customer-Centric Company.
 
 Thank you.
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/
 
 
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Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-11 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
Hello:
I do a lot of Swagbucking and m Amazon cards are sent via email, so that isn’t 
the issue. I’ve redeemed Amazon cards for years without issues. Saturday was 
the first time I’ve ever seen this. I even tried with different web browsers. 
The people at Amazon said some parts of their site use captchas now. Go figure.
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there was no 
 captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read this thread but 
 I went to the website and I see no captcha. I approached this both from the 
 main site and the access site even though I never actually use the access 
 site. Both with Audible and Amazon, I much prefer to use the main site. So 
 I'm a little puzzled as to how one person could see a captcha while another 
 doesn't. You do have to sign in with your username and password and you do 
 have to enter the claim code. You even can get around reading a claim code by 
 having people email your gift cards instead of sending them by snail mail or 
 giving them to you when the person involved uses email. It's not that i'm 
 doubting your statement that there was a captcha; I personally simply don't 
 see any request for one and never have in my own experience. Maybe they have 
 started doing it for some accounts and others will follow though that doesn't 
 totally make sense to me either.
 
 Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in some 
 instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I know about 
 passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's overkill. We can argue 
 about whether that other form should be captcha r not and we can argue about 
 whether or not there should be an accessible alternative and what that 
 alternative should be, but i don't really think we can argue that something 
 in addition to username and password is overkill, at least in some 
 situations. 
 
 It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I rarely run 
 into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account and perhaps when 
 you change your password you might have to enter a captcha, but I'm not going 
 to change mine just to test this out. There may be some other instances.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to redeem 
 a gift card!
 I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name and 
 password, a captcha is just over kill!
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith gabrielgriff...@gmail.com 
 mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility lawyer 
 I know here in California to get her take on whether or not this is an 
 acceptable solution and what further action can be taken. I for one am not 
 comfortable with this solution as it would mean giving an amazon 
 representative anything from your gift card number to your password which 
 could give them access to saved credit card information.
 
 Gabe
 
 
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Hello, 
 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ implements CAPTCHA on several features on 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ such as password changes. Users are 
 presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the picture 
 into a text entry field before continuing. 
 
 Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
 accessing features on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/. We do this to 
 maintain the security of your account and personal information. 
 
 If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to read or 
 enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the following 
 link. You can either enter your number and we'll give you a call, or you 
 call us directly at one of the numbers provided on the page. 
 
 www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Faccessibility-contactus%3Fref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330A=L2VILWOTCGCVWFJ3YUTTK1LWI7OAH=HMM2AWSSYZHZPISD7FSW9PV0K5KA
  
 
 We hope to see you again soon.
 
 Best regards,
 Bea D.
 Did I solve your problem?
 Yes 
 

Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-11 Thread Cheryl Homiak
First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there was no 
captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read this thread but I 
went to the website and I see no captcha. I approached this both from the main 
site and the access site even though I never actually use the access site. Both 
with Audible and Amazon, I much prefer to use the main site. So I'm a little 
puzzled as to how one person could see a captcha while another doesn't. You do 
have to sign in with your username and password and you do have to enter the 
claim code. You even can get around reading a claim code by having people email 
your gift cards instead of sending them by snail mail or giving them to you 
when the person involved uses email. It's not that i'm doubting your statement 
that there was a captcha; I personally simply don't see any request for one and 
never have in my own experience. Maybe they have started doing it for some 
accounts and others will follow though that doesn't totally make sense to me 
either.

Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in some 
instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I know about 
passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's overkill. We can argue 
about whether that other form should be captcha r not and we can argue about 
whether or not there should be an accessible alternative and what that 
alternative should be, but i don't really think we can argue that something in 
addition to username and password is overkill, at least in some situations. 

It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I rarely run 
into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account and perhaps when you 
change your password you might have to enter a captcha, but I'm not going to 
change mine just to test this out. There may be some other instances.

-- 
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to redeem a 
gift card!
I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name and 
password, a captcha is just over kill!
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith gabrielgriff...@gmail.com 
 mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility lawyer 
 I know here in California to get her take on whether or not this is an 
 acceptable solution and what further action can be taken. I for one am not 
 comfortable with this solution as it would mean giving an amazon 
 representative anything from your gift card number to your password which 
 could give them access to saved credit card information.
 
 Gabe
 
 
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Hello, 
 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ implements CAPTCHA on several features on 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ such as password changes. Users are 
 presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the picture 
 into a text entry field before continuing. 
 
 Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
 accessing features on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/. We do this to 
 maintain the security of your account and personal information. 
 
 If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to read or 
 enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the following 
 link. You can either enter your number and we'll give you a call, or you 
 call us directly at one of the numbers provided on the page. 
 
 www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Faccessibility-contactus%3Fref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330A=L2VILWOTCGCVWFJ3YUTTK1LWI7OAH=HMM2AWSSYZHZPISD7FSW9PV0K5KA
  
 
 We hope to see you again soon.
 
 Best regards,
 Bea D.
 Did I solve your problem?
 Yes 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fhelp%2Fsurvey%3Fp%3DA25LD1M5ZG0U4C%26k%3Dhy%26ref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330_cscem_hmdyes_ht_1A=VZAXUBITMXTEFDBFGJJW3KECUKIAH=ZD697QAXRKRNDCWYJYU9HUDLJPWA
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Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-11 Thread Karen Lewellen

If memory serves, you  met  with  this using the app, is that correct?
If so, are others checking the same way?
Kare


On Sun, 11 Jan 2015, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:


Hello:
I do a lot of Swagbucking and m Amazon cards are sent via email, so that 
isn???t the issue. I???ve redeemed Amazon cards for years without issues. 
Saturday was the first time I???ve ever seen this. I even tried with different 
web browsers. The people at Amazon said some parts of their site use captchas 
now. Go figure.

On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:

First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there was no 
captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read this thread but I 
went to the website and I see no captcha. I approached this both from the main 
site and the access site even though I never actually use the access site. Both 
with Audible and Amazon, I much prefer to use the main site. So I'm a little 
puzzled as to how one person could see a captcha while another doesn't. You do 
have to sign in with your username and password and you do have to enter the 
claim code. You even can get around reading a claim code by having people email 
your gift cards instead of sending them by snail mail or giving them to you 
when the person involved uses email. It's not that i'm doubting your statement 
that there was a captcha; I personally simply don't see any request for one and 
never have in my own experience. Maybe they have started doing it for some 
accounts and others will follow though that doesn't totally make sense to me 
either.

Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in some 
instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I know about 
passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's overkill. We can argue 
about whether that other form should be captcha r not and we can argue about 
whether or not there should be an accessible alternative and what that 
alternative should be, but i don't really think we can argue that something in 
addition to username and password is overkill, at least in some situations.

It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I rarely run 
into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account and perhaps when you 
change your password you might have to enter a captcha, but I'm not going to 
change mine just to test this out. There may be some other instances.

--
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:

Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to redeem a 
gift card!
I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name and 
password, a captcha is just over kill!

On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith gabrielgriff...@gmail.com 
mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility lawyer I 
know here in California to get her take on whether or not this is an acceptable 
solution and what further action can be taken. I for one am not comfortable 
with this solution as it would mean giving an amazon representative anything 
from your gift card number to your password which could give them access to 
saved credit card information.

Gabe


On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:



Hello,

Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ implements CAPTCHA on several features on Amazon.com 
http://amazon.com/ such as password changes. Users are presented with a picture, 
and asked to copy the text string in the picture into a text entry field before continuing.

Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from accessing 
features on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/. We do this to maintain the 
security of your account and personal information.

If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to read or 
enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the following link. 
You can either enter your number and we'll give you a call, or you call us 
directly at one of the numbers provided on the page.

www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus 
http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?C=3GG4DES2VDURUR=29U7NMN7HZU71T=CU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Faccessibility-contactus%3Fref_%3Dpe_584750_33951330A=L2VILWOTCGCVWFJ3YUTTK1LWI7OAH=HMM2AWSSYZHZPISD7FSW9PV0K5KA

We hope to see you again soon.

Best regards,
Bea D.
Did I solve your problem?
Yes 

Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-11 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
I’ve never gotten web visum to work on the Mac.
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 if you have access to firefox you can get webvisum. that often worked for me 
 with standard capchas. 
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net 
 wrote:
 
 If memory serves, you  met  with  this using the app, is that correct?
 If so, are others checking the same way?
 Kare
 
 
 On Sun, 11 Jan 2015, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 Hello:
 I do a lot of Swagbucking and m Amazon cards are sent via email, so that 
 isn’t the issue. I’ve redeemed Amazon cards for years without issues. 
 Saturday was the first time I’ve ever seen this. I even tried with 
 different web browsers. The people at Amazon said some parts of their site 
 use captchas now. Go figure.
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there was 
 no captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read this 
 thread but I went to the website and I see no captcha. I approached this 
 both from the main site and the access site even though I never actually 
 use the access site. Both with Audible and Amazon, I much prefer to use 
 the main site. So I'm a little puzzled as to how one person could see a 
 captcha while another doesn't. You do have to sign in with your username 
 and password and you do have to enter the claim code. You even can get 
 around reading a claim code by having people email your gift cards instead 
 of sending them by snail mail or giving them to you when the person 
 involved uses email. It's not that i'm doubting your statement that there 
 was a captcha; I personally simply don't see any request for one and never 
 have in my own experience. Maybe they have started doing it for some 
 accounts and others will follow though that doesn't totally make sense to 
 me either.
 
 Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in 
 some instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I know 
 about passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's overkill. We 
 can argue about whether that other form should be captcha r not and we can 
 argue about whether or not there should be an accessible alternative and 
 what that alternative should be, but i don't really think we can argue 
 that something in addition to username and password is overkill, at least 
 in some situations.
 
 It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I rarely 
 run into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account and perhaps 
 when you change your password you might have to enter a captcha, but I'm 
 not going to change mine just to test this out. There may be some other 
 instances.
 
 --
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to 
 redeem a gift card!
 I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name and 
 password, a captcha is just over kill!
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith gabrielgriff...@gmail.com 
 mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility 
 lawyer I know here in California to get her take on whether or not this 
 is an acceptable solution and what further action can be taken. I for one 
 am not comfortable with this solution as it would mean giving an amazon 
 representative anything from your gift card number to your password which 
 could give them access to saved credit card information.
 
 Gabe
 
 
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Hello,
 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ implements CAPTCHA on several features 
 on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ such as password changes. Users are 
 presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the 
 picture into a text entry field before continuing.
 
 Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
 accessing features on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/. We do this to 
 maintain the security of your account and personal information.
 
 If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to read 
 or enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the 
 following link. You can either enter your number and we'll give you a 
 call, or you call us directly 

Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-11 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
I was using Safari on my Mac.
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:
 
 If memory serves, you  met  with  this using the app, is that correct?
 If so, are others checking the same way?
 Kare
 
 
 On Sun, 11 Jan 2015, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 Hello:
 I do a lot of Swagbucking and m Amazon cards are sent via email, so that 
 isn’t the issue. I’ve redeemed Amazon cards for years without issues. 
 Saturday was the first time I’ve ever seen this. I even tried with different 
 web browsers. The people at Amazon said some parts of their site use 
 captchas now. Go figure.
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there was 
 no captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read this thread 
 but I went to the website and I see no captcha. I approached this both from 
 the main site and the access site even though I never actually use the 
 access site. Both with Audible and Amazon, I much prefer to use the main 
 site. So I'm a little puzzled as to how one person could see a captcha 
 while another doesn't. You do have to sign in with your username and 
 password and you do have to enter the claim code. You even can get around 
 reading a claim code by having people email your gift cards instead of 
 sending them by snail mail or giving them to you when the person involved 
 uses email. It's not that i'm doubting your statement that there was a 
 captcha; I personally simply don't see any request for one and never have 
 in my own experience. Maybe they have started doing it for some accounts 
 and others will follow though that doesn't totally make sense to me either.
 
 Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in some 
 instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I know about 
 passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's overkill. We can argue 
 about whether that other form should be captcha r not and we can argue 
 about whether or not there should be an accessible alternative and what 
 that alternative should be, but i don't really think we can argue that 
 something in addition to username and password is overkill, at least in 
 some situations.
 
 It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I rarely 
 run into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account and perhaps 
 when you change your password you might have to enter a captcha, but I'm 
 not going to change mine just to test this out. There may be some other 
 instances.
 
 --
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to 
 redeem a gift card!
 I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name and 
 password, a captcha is just over kill!
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith gabrielgriff...@gmail.com 
 mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility 
 lawyer I know here in California to get her take on whether or not this is 
 an acceptable solution and what further action can be taken. I for one am 
 not comfortable with this solution as it would mean giving an amazon 
 representative anything from your gift card number to your password which 
 could give them access to saved credit card information.
 
 Gabe
 
 
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Hello,
 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ implements CAPTCHA on several features on 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ such as password changes. Users are 
 presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the 
 picture into a text entry field before continuing.
 
 Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
 accessing features on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/. We do this to 
 maintain the security of your account and personal information.
 
 If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to read 
 or enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the 
 following link. You can either enter your number and we'll give you a 
 call, or you call us directly at one of the numbers provided on the page.
 
 www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus 
 

Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-11 Thread Cheryl Homiak
Well, the message you just replied to mentions using different web browsers so 
I would think that would be the website rather than the app. I haven't as yet 
even used the app so I don't know about this.
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Jan 11, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:

If memory serves, you  met  with  this using the app, is that correct?
If so, are others checking the same way?
Kare


On Sun, 11 Jan 2015, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

 Hello:
 I do a lot of Swagbucking and m Amazon cards are sent via email, so that 
 isn’t the issue. I’ve redeemed Amazon cards for years without issues. 
 Saturday was the first time I’ve ever seen this. I even tried with different 
 web browsers. The people at Amazon said some parts of their site use captchas 
 now. Go figure.
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there was 
 no captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read this thread 
 but I went to the website and I see no captcha. I approached this both from 
 the main site and the access site even though I never actually use the 
 access site. Both with Audible and Amazon, I much prefer to use the main 
 site. So I'm a little puzzled as to how one person could see a captcha while 
 another doesn't. You do have to sign in with your username and password and 
 you do have to enter the claim code. You even can get around reading a claim 
 code by having people email your gift cards instead of sending them by snail 
 mail or giving them to you when the person involved uses email. It's not 
 that i'm doubting your statement that there was a captcha; I personally 
 simply don't see any request for one and never have in my own experience. 
 Maybe they have started doing it for some accounts and others will follow 
 though that doesn't totally make sense to me either.
 
 Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in some 
 instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I know about 
 passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's overkill. We can argue 
 about whether that other form should be captcha r not and we can argue about 
 whether or not there should be an accessible alternative and what that 
 alternative should be, but i don't really think we can argue that something 
 in addition to username and password is overkill, at least in some 
 situations.
 
 It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I rarely run 
 into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account and perhaps when 
 you change your password you might have to enter a captcha, but I'm not 
 going to change mine just to test this out. There may be some other 
 instances.
 
 --
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to 
 redeem a gift card!
 I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name and 
 password, a captcha is just over kill!
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith gabrielgriff...@gmail.com 
 mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility 
 lawyer I know here in California to get her take on whether or not this is 
 an acceptable solution and what further action can be taken. I for one am 
 not comfortable with this solution as it would mean giving an amazon 
 representative anything from your gift card number to your password which 
 could give them access to saved credit card information.
 
 Gabe
 
 
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Hello,
 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ implements CAPTCHA on several features on 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ such as password changes. Users are 
 presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the picture 
 into a text entry field before continuing.
 
 Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 

Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-11 Thread Lorie McCloud
you’d have to run windows or linux to use it on the Mac. I was running xp. when 
I used it very successfully.
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 11:24 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I’ve never gotten web visum to work on the Mac.
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 if you have access to firefox you can get webvisum. that often worked for me 
 with standard capchas. 
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net 
 wrote:
 
 If memory serves, you  met  with  this using the app, is that correct?
 If so, are others checking the same way?
 Kare
 
 
 On Sun, 11 Jan 2015, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 Hello:
 I do a lot of Swagbucking and m Amazon cards are sent via email, so that 
 isn’t the issue. I’ve redeemed Amazon cards for years without issues. 
 Saturday was the first time I’ve ever seen this. I even tried with 
 different web browsers. The people at Amazon said some parts of their site 
 use captchas now. Go figure.
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there 
 was no captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read this 
 thread but I went to the website and I see no captcha. I approached this 
 both from the main site and the access site even though I never actually 
 use the access site. Both with Audible and Amazon, I much prefer to use 
 the main site. So I'm a little puzzled as to how one person could see a 
 captcha while another doesn't. You do have to sign in with your username 
 and password and you do have to enter the claim code. You even can get 
 around reading a claim code by having people email your gift cards 
 instead of sending them by snail mail or giving them to you when the 
 person involved uses email. It's not that i'm doubting your statement 
 that there was a captcha; I personally simply don't see any request for 
 one and never have in my own experience. Maybe they have started doing it 
 for some accounts and others will follow though that doesn't totally make 
 sense to me either.
 
 Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in 
 some instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I know 
 about passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's overkill. We 
 can argue about whether that other form should be captcha r not and we 
 can argue about whether or not there should be an accessible alternative 
 and what that alternative should be, but i don't really think we can 
 argue that something in addition to username and password is overkill, at 
 least in some situations.
 
 It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I rarely 
 run into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account and 
 perhaps when you change your password you might have to enter a captcha, 
 but I'm not going to change mine just to test this out. There may be some 
 other instances.
 
 --
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to 
 redeem a gift card!
 I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name 
 and password, a captcha is just over kill!
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith gabrielgriff...@gmail.com 
 mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility 
 lawyer I know here in California to get her take on whether or not this 
 is an acceptable solution and what further action can be taken. I for 
 one am not comfortable with this solution as it would mean giving an 
 amazon representative anything from your gift card number to your 
 password which could give them access to saved credit card information.
 
 Gabe
 
 
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Hello,
 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ implements CAPTCHA on several features 
 on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ such as password changes. Users are 
 presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the 
 picture into a text entry field before continuing.
 
 Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
 accessing features on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/. We do this to 
 maintain the security of your account and personal information.
 
 If you're presented with a verification screen 

Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-11 Thread Lorie McCloud
if you have access to firefox you can get webvisum. that often worked for me 
with standard capchas. 
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:
 
 If memory serves, you  met  with  this using the app, is that correct?
 If so, are others checking the same way?
 Kare
 
 
 On Sun, 11 Jan 2015, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 Hello:
 I do a lot of Swagbucking and m Amazon cards are sent via email, so that 
 isn’t the issue. I’ve redeemed Amazon cards for years without issues. 
 Saturday was the first time I’ve ever seen this. I even tried with different 
 web browsers. The people at Amazon said some parts of their site use 
 captchas now. Go figure.
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there was 
 no captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read this thread 
 but I went to the website and I see no captcha. I approached this both from 
 the main site and the access site even though I never actually use the 
 access site. Both with Audible and Amazon, I much prefer to use the main 
 site. So I'm a little puzzled as to how one person could see a captcha 
 while another doesn't. You do have to sign in with your username and 
 password and you do have to enter the claim code. You even can get around 
 reading a claim code by having people email your gift cards instead of 
 sending them by snail mail or giving them to you when the person involved 
 uses email. It's not that i'm doubting your statement that there was a 
 captcha; I personally simply don't see any request for one and never have 
 in my own experience. Maybe they have started doing it for some accounts 
 and others will follow though that doesn't totally make sense to me either.
 
 Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in some 
 instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I know about 
 passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's overkill. We can argue 
 about whether that other form should be captcha r not and we can argue 
 about whether or not there should be an accessible alternative and what 
 that alternative should be, but i don't really think we can argue that 
 something in addition to username and password is overkill, at least in 
 some situations.
 
 It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I rarely 
 run into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account and perhaps 
 when you change your password you might have to enter a captcha, but I'm 
 not going to change mine just to test this out. There may be some other 
 instances.
 
 --
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to 
 redeem a gift card!
 I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name and 
 password, a captcha is just over kill!
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith gabrielgriff...@gmail.com 
 mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility 
 lawyer I know here in California to get her take on whether or not this is 
 an acceptable solution and what further action can be taken. I for one am 
 not comfortable with this solution as it would mean giving an amazon 
 representative anything from your gift card number to your password which 
 could give them access to saved credit card information.
 
 Gabe
 
 
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Hello,
 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ implements CAPTCHA on several features on 
 Amazon.com http://amazon.com/ such as password changes. Users are 
 presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the 
 picture into a text entry field before continuing.
 
 Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
 accessing features on Amazon.com http://amazon.com/. We do this to 
 maintain the security of your account and personal information.
 
 If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to read 
 or enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the 
 following link. You can either enter your number and we'll give you a 
 call, or you call us directly at one of the numbers provided on the page.
 
 www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus 
 

Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-10 Thread Gabe Griffith
Hi,

Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility lawyer I 
know here in California to get her take on whether or not this is an acceptable 
solution and what further action can be taken. I for one am not comfortable 
with this solution as it would mean giving an amazon representative anything 
from your gift card number to your password which could give them access to 
saved credit card information.

Gabe


On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 
 Hello, 
 
 Amazon.com implements CAPTCHA on several features on Amazon.com such as 
 password changes. Users are presented with a picture, and asked to copy the 
 text string in the picture into a text entry field before continuing. 
 
 Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
 accessing features on Amazon.com. We do this to maintain the security of your 
 account and personal information. 
 
 If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to read or 
 enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the following 
 link. You can either enter your number and we'll give you a call, or you call 
 us directly at one of the numbers provided on the page. 
 
 www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus 
 
 We hope to see you again soon.
 
 Best regards,
 Bea D.
 Did I solve your problem?
 Yes  No
 Your feedback is helping us build Earth's Most Customer-Centric Company.
 
 Thank you.
 Amazon.com
 

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