Re: Reading on Pages and Text Edit

[Suzanne Erb]

I also wonder whether it might be helpful to contact Apple Accessibility 
877-204-3930. Perhaps you can show them what you are experiencing so that they 
can address it in a future update.
Best,
Suzanne Erb
suze...@comcast.net

> On Jan 26, 2024, at 12:15, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
> Ok. You might want to try using another word processor like iText you can 
> get from the Mac App Store and see if that works.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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> 
>> On Jan 26, 2024, at 12:01 PM, moiz tundawala  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't want to open the file in a browser because I want to be able
>> to read and edit simultaneously.
>> Moiz.
>> 
>> On 1/26/24, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> I don't think QuickLook can be used to read a 300–400 page document.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2024, at 09:23, 'jason' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Quick Look can also read a variety of file formats. When you want to edit,
>>> of course, you’ll need to use whichever editor you prefer.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on
>>> behalf of John Panarese 
>>> Date: Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 16:00
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Reading on Pages and Text Edit
>>> 
>>> Actually, Brad had a great idea. Try to open it in Safari and see how it
>>> reads there.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 3:27 PM, moiz tundawala 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi John,
>>>> 
>>>> Nice to know that you are on the group too.
>>>> 
>>>> Sadly it's not working out for me on Text Edit. I have tried all the
>>>> options that you suggested.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, I don't want to open the document in a web brouzer. This is because
>>>> I want to have the option of editing it if required.
>>>> 
>>>> On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 6:16:38 PM UTC wb...@swbell.net wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have you tried opening the file in a browser, such as Safari, Chrome or
>>>>> even Brave on your Mac?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 07:59, moiz tundawala  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for your response. As I mentioned, in Text Edit, I am not being
>>>>> able to read paragraph by paragraph. When Voiceover moves to a new page,
>>>>> it reads the first paragraph character by character. The subsequent
>>>>> paragraphs are read properly, and then once again after a page break,  I
>>>>> encounter the same problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have tried all possible options, with quick nav on and off, as well as
>>>>> keyboard commanders.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 5:12:10 PM UTC thepian...@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For things of that length I usually convert to text and read in
>>>>>> TextEdit. I’ve never had a problem with that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: macvisi...@googlegroups.com  on
>>>>>> behalf of moiz tundawala 
>>>>>> Date: Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 10:53 AM
>>>>>> To: MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> Subject: Reading on Pages and Text Edit
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 

Re: Reading on Pages and Text Edit

[John Panarese]

Ok. You might want to try using another word processor like iText you can 
get from the Mac App Store and see if that works.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

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> On Jan 26, 2024, at 12:01 PM, moiz tundawala  wrote:
> 
> I don't want to open the file in a browser because I want to be able
> to read and edit simultaneously.
> Moiz.
> 
> On 1/26/24, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> I don't think QuickLook can be used to read a 300–400 page document.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jan 26, 2024, at 09:23, 'jason' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Quick Look can also read a variety of file formats. When you want to edit,
>> of course, you’ll need to use whichever editor you prefer.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on
>> behalf of John Panarese 
>> Date: Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 16:00
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Reading on Pages and Text Edit
>> 
>> Actually, Brad had a great idea. Try to open it in Safari and see how it
>> reads there.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 3:27 PM, moiz tundawala 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>> Nice to know that you are on the group too.
>>> 
>>> Sadly it's not working out for me on Text Edit. I have tried all the
>>> options that you suggested.
>>> 
>>> Also, I don't want to open the document in a web brouzer. This is because
>>> I want to have the option of editing it if required.
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 6:16:38 PM UTC wb...@swbell.net wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Have you tried opening the file in a browser, such as Safari, Chrome or
>>>> even Brave on your Mac?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 07:59, moiz tundawala  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for your response. As I mentioned, in Text Edit, I am not being
>>>> able to read paragraph by paragraph. When Voiceover moves to a new page,
>>>> it reads the first paragraph character by character. The subsequent
>>>> paragraphs are read properly, and then once again after a page break,  I
>>>> encounter the same problem.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I have tried all possible options, with quick nav on and off, as well as
>>>> keyboard commanders.
>>>> 
>>>> On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 5:12:10 PM UTC thepian...@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> For things of that length I usually convert to text and read in
>>>>> TextEdit. I’ve never had a problem with that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: macvisi...@googlegroups.com  on
>>>>> behalf of moiz tundawala 
>>>>> Date: Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 10:53 AM
>>>>> To: MacVisionaries 
>>>>> Subject: Reading on Pages and Text Edit
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> 
>>>>> What is the best way to read book length documents on Mac?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have large Word files from my Windows computer. These files take a lot
>>>>> of time loading on Mac when I open them on Word.
>>>>> 
>>>>> With Pages and Text Edit, I am facing a strange problem. I prefer to
>>>>> read paragraph by paragraph. But whenever Voiceover encounters a page
>>>>> break, it starts reading character by character.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have taking this issue to Apple Accessibility and they have not been
>>>>> able to help.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My Word documents are 300 to 400 pages long. Can anyone please advise?
>>>>> 
>>>

Re: Reading on Pages and Text Edit

[moiz tundawala]

I don't want to open the file in a browser because I want to be able
to read and edit simultaneously.
Moiz.

On 1/26/24, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> I don't think QuickLook can be used to read a 300–400 page document.
>
> - Brad -
>
> On Jan 26, 2024, at 09:23, 'jason' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Quick Look can also read a variety of file formats. When you want to edit,
> of course, you’ll need to use whichever editor you prefer.
>
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on
> behalf of John Panarese 
> Date: Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 16:00
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Reading on Pages and Text Edit
>
>     Actually, Brad had a great idea. Try to open it in Safari and see how it
> reads there.
>
>
>
>
> Take Care
>
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>
>
>
>
>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 3:27 PM, moiz tundawala 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Nice to know that you are on the group too.
>>
>> Sadly it's not working out for me on Text Edit. I have tried all the
>> options that you suggested.
>>
>> Also, I don't want to open the document in a web brouzer. This is because
>> I want to have the option of editing it if required.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 6:16:38 PM UTC wb...@swbell.net wrote:
>>>
>>> Have you tried opening the file in a browser, such as Safari, Chrome or
>>> even Brave on your Mac?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Brad -
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 07:59, moiz tundawala  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for your response. As I mentioned, in Text Edit, I am not being
>>> able to read paragraph by paragraph. When Voiceover moves to a new page,
>>> it reads the first paragraph character by character. The subsequent
>>> paragraphs are read properly, and then once again after a page break,  I
>>> encounter the same problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have tried all possible options, with quick nav on and off, as well as
>>> keyboard commanders.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 5:12:10 PM UTC thepian...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For things of that length I usually convert to text and read in
>>>> TextEdit. I’ve never had a problem with that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: macvisi...@googlegroups.com  on
>>>> behalf of moiz tundawala 
>>>> Date: Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 10:53 AM
>>>> To: MacVisionaries 
>>>> Subject: Reading on Pages and Text Edit
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> What is the best way to read book length documents on Mac?
>>>>
>>>> I have large Word files from my Windows computer. These files take a lot
>>>> of time loading on Mac when I open them on Word.
>>>>
>>>> With Pages and Text Edit, I am facing a strange problem. I prefer to
>>>> read paragraph by paragraph. But whenever Voiceover encounters a page
>>>> break, it starts reading character by character.
>>>>
>>>> I have taking this issue to Apple Accessibility and they have not been
>>>> able to help.
>>>>
>>>> My Word documents are 300 to 400 pages long. Can anyone please advise?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Moiz.
>>>>
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Re: Reading on Pages and Text Edit

[Brad Snyder]

I don't think QuickLook can be used to read a 300–400 page document.- Brad -On Jan 26, 2024, at 09:23, 'jason' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Quick Look can also read a variety of file formats. When you want to edit, of course, you’ll need to use whichever editor you prefer. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on behalf of John Panarese Date: Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 16:00To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Reading on Pages and Text Edit    Actually, Brad had a great idea. Try to open it in Safari and see how it reads there. Take CareJohn D. PanareseDirectorMac for the BlindTel, (631) 724-4479Email, j...@macfortheblind.comWebsite, http://www.macfortheblind.comAPPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and TrainerAUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATEMAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORTOn Jan 25, 2024, at 3:27 PM, moiz tundawala  wrote: Hi John,Nice to know that you are on the group too.Sadly it's not working out for me on Text Edit. I have tried all the options that you suggested.Also, I don't want to open the document in a web brouzer. This is because I want to have the option of editing it if required.On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 6:16:38 PM UTC wb...@swbell.net wrote:Have you tried opening the file in a browser, such as Safari, Chrome or even Brave on your Mac? - Brad -On Jan 25, 2024, at 07:59, moiz tundawala <moiztu...@gmail.com> wrote:Thanks for your response. As I mentioned, in Text Edit, I am not being able to read paragraph by paragraph. When Voiceover moves to a new page, it reads the first paragraph character by character. The subsequent paragraphs are read properly, and then once again after a page break,  I encounter the same problem. I have tried all possible options, with quick nav on and off, as well as keyboard commanders.On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 5:12:10 PM UTC thepian...@gmail.com wrote:For things of that length I usually convert to text and read in TextEdit. I’ve never had a problem with that. From: macvisi...@googlegroups.com  on behalf of moiz tundawala Date: Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 10:53 AMTo: MacVisionaries Subject: Reading on Pages and Text EditHiWhat is the best way to read book length documents on Mac?I have large Word files from my Windows computer. These files take a lot of time loading on Mac when I open them on Word.With Pages and Text Edit, I am facing a strange problem. I prefer to read paragraph by paragraph. But whenever Voiceover encounters a page break, it starts reading character by character.I have taking this issue to Apple Accessibility and they have not been able to help.My Word documents are 300 to 400 pages long. Can anyone please advise?Thanks,Moiz.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at cara...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisi...@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/87e88eef-030b-429e-a5f5-228bd978247an%40googlegroups.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at cara...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisi...@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/17d67e66-0a2c-40f5-b81e-5824f86a657an%40googlegroups.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - yo

Re: Reading on Pages and Text Edit

['jason' via MacVisionaries]

Quick Look can also read a variety of file formats. When you want to edit, of course, you’ll need to use whichever editor you prefer. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on behalf of John Panarese Date: Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 16:00To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Reading on Pages and Text Edit    Actually, Brad had a great idea. Try to open it in Safari and see how it reads there. Take CareJohn D. PanareseDirectorMac for the BlindTel, (631) 724-4479Email, j...@macfortheblind.comWebsite, http://www.macfortheblind.comAPPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and TrainerAUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATEMAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORTOn Jan 25, 2024, at 3:27 PM, moiz tundawala  wrote: Hi John,Nice to know that you are on the group too.Sadly it's not working out for me on Text Edit. I have tried all the options that you suggested.Also, I don't want to open the document in a web brouzer. This is because I want to have the option of editing it if required.On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 6:16:38 PM UTC wb...@swbell.net wrote:Have you tried opening the file in a browser, such as Safari, Chrome or even Brave on your Mac? - Brad -On Jan 25, 2024, at 07:59, moiz tundawala <moiztu...@gmail.com> wrote:Thanks for your response. As I mentioned, in Text Edit, I am not being able to read paragraph by paragraph. When Voiceover moves to a new page, it reads the first paragraph character by character. The subsequent paragraphs are read properly, and then once again after a page break,  I encounter the same problem. I have tried all possible options, with quick nav on and off, as well as keyboard commanders.On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 5:12:10 PM UTC thepian...@gmail.com wrote:For things of that length I usually convert to text and read in TextEdit. I’ve never had a problem with that. From: macvisi...@googlegroups.com  on behalf of moiz tundawala Date: Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 10:53 AMTo: MacVisionaries Subject: Reading on Pages and Text EditHiWhat is the best way to read book length documents on Mac?I have large Word files from my Windows computer. These files take a lot of time loading on Mac when I open them on Word.With Pages and Text Edit, I am facing a strange problem. I prefer to read paragraph by paragraph. But whenever Voiceover encounters a page break, it starts reading character by character.I have taking this issue to Apple Accessibility and they have not been able to help.My Word documents are 300 to 400 pages long. Can anyone please advise?Thanks,Moiz.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at cara...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisi...@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/87e88eef-030b-429e-a5f5-228bd978247an%40googlegroups.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at cara...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisi...@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/17d67e66-0a2c-40f5-b81e-5824f86a657an%40googlegroups.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googleg

Re: Reading on Pages and Text Edit

[John Panarese]

Actually, Brad had a great idea. Try to open it in Safari and see how it 
reads there.


Take Care

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Director
Mac for the Blind
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Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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> On Jan 25, 2024, at 3:27 PM, moiz tundawala  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> Nice to know that you are on the group too.
> Sadly it's not working out for me on Text Edit. I have tried all the options 
> that you suggested.
> Also, I don't want to open the document in a web brouzer. This is because I 
> want to have the option of editing it if required.
> On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 6:16:38 PM UTC wb...@swbell.net wrote:
>> Have you tried opening the file in a browser, such as Safari, Chrome or even 
>> Brave on your Mac?
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 07:59, moiz tundawala > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for your response. As I mentioned, in Text Edit, I am not being able 
>> to read paragraph by paragraph. When Voiceover moves to a new page, it reads 
>> the first paragraph character by character. The subsequent paragraphs are 
>> read properly, and then once again after a page break,  I encounter the same 
>> problem.
>> 
>> I have tried all possible options, with quick nav on and off, as well as 
>> keyboard commanders.
>> On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 5:12:10 PM UTC thepian...@gmail.com <> 
>> wrote:
>>> For things of that length I usually convert to text and read in TextEdit. 
>>> I’ve never had a problem with that.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: macvisi...@googlegroups.com <> > on 
>>> behalf of moiz tundawala >
>>> Date: Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 10:53 AM
>>> To: MacVisionaries >
>>> Subject: Reading on Pages and Text Edit
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> What is the best way to read book length documents on Mac?
>>> 
>>> I have large Word files from my Windows computer. These files take a lot of 
>>> time loading on Mac when I open them on Word.
>>> 
>>> With Pages and Text Edit, I am facing a strange problem. I prefer to read 
>>> paragraph by paragraph. But whenever Voiceover encounters a page break, it 
>>> starts reading character by character.
>>> 
>>> I have taking this issue to Apple Accessibility and they have not been able 
>>> to help.
>>> 
>>> My Word documents are 300 to 400 pages long. Can anyone please advise?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Moiz.
>>> 
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Re: Reading on Pages and Text Edit

[moiz tundawala]

Hi John,
Nice to know that you are on the group too.
Sadly it's not working out for me on Text Edit. I have tried all the 
options that you suggested.
Also, I don't want to open the document in a web brouzer. This is because I 
want to have the option of editing it if required.
On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 6:16:38 PM UTC wb...@swbell.net wrote:

> Have you tried opening the file in a browser, such as Safari, Chrome or 
> even Brave on your Mac?
>
> - Brad -
>
> On Jan 25, 2024, at 07:59, moiz tundawala  wrote:
>
> Thanks for your response. As I mentioned, in Text Edit, I am not being 
> able to read paragraph by paragraph. When Voiceover moves to a new page, it 
> reads the first paragraph character by character. The subsequent paragraphs 
> are read properly, and then once again after a page break,  I encounter the 
> same problem.
>
> I have tried all possible options, with quick nav on and off, as well as 
> keyboard commanders.
> On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 5:12:10 PM UTC thepian...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
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>> For things of that length I usually convert to text and read in TextEdit. 
>> I’ve never had a problem with that.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *macvisi...@googlegroups.com  on 
>> behalf of moiz tundawala 
>> *Date: *Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 10:53 AM
>> *To: *MacVisionaries 
>> *Subject: *Reading on Pages and Text Edit
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> What is the best way to read book length documents on Mac?
>>
>> I have large Word files from my Windows computer. These files take a lot 
>> of time loading on Mac when I open them on Word.
>>
>> With Pages and Text Edit, I am facing a strange problem. I prefer to read 
>> paragraph by paragraph. But whenever Voiceover encounters a page break, it 
>> starts reading character by character.
>>
>> I have taking this issue to Apple Accessibility and they have not been 
>> able to help.
>>
>> My Word documents are 300 to 400 pages long. Can anyone please advise?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Moiz.
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Re: Reading on Pages and Text Edit

[Brad Snyder]

Have you tried opening the file in a browser, such as Safari, Chrome or even Brave on your Mac?- Brad -On Jan 25, 2024, at 07:59, moiz tundawala  wrote:Thanks for your response. As I mentioned, in Text Edit, I am not being able to read paragraph by paragraph. When Voiceover moves to a new page, it reads the first paragraph character by character. The subsequent paragraphs are read properly, and then once again after a page break,  I encounter the same problem.I have tried all possible options, with quick nav on and off, as well as keyboard commanders.On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 5:12:10 PM UTC thepian...@gmail.com wrote:







For things of that length I usually convert to text and read in TextEdit. I’ve never had a problem with that.
 



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Date: Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 10:53 AM
To: MacVisionaries <macvisi...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Reading on Pages and Text Edit

Hi

What is the best way to read book length documents on Mac?


I have large Word files from my Windows computer. These files take a lot of time loading on Mac when I open them on Word.


With Pages and Text Edit, I am facing a strange problem. I prefer to read paragraph by paragraph. But whenever Voiceover encounters a page break, it starts reading character by character.


I have taking this issue to Apple Accessibility and they have not been able to help.


My Word documents are 300 to 400 pages long. Can anyone please advise?


Thanks,


Moiz.

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Re: Reading on Pages and Text Edit

[John Panarese]

As I told you, it’s not happening on my end. You had sent me a sample book 
and I am not experiencing that in Text Edit. It happens in Pages and Word for 
me, but not in Text Edit.


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> On Jan 25, 2024, at 12:58 PM, moiz tundawala  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your response. As I mentioned, in Text Edit, I am not being able 
> to read paragraph by paragraph. When Voiceover moves to a new page, it reads 
> the first paragraph character by character. The subsequent paragraphs are 
> read properly, and then once again after a page break,  I encounter the same 
> problem.
> I have tried all possible options, with quick nav on and off, as well as 
> keyboard commanders.
> On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 5:12:10 PM UTC thepian...@gmail.com wrote:
>> For things of that length I usually convert to text and read in TextEdit. 
>> I’ve never had a problem with that.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: macvisi...@googlegroups.com <> > on 
>> behalf of moiz tundawala >
>> Date: Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 10:53 AM
>> To: MacVisionaries >
>> Subject: Reading on Pages and Text Edit
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> What is the best way to read book length documents on Mac?
>> 
>> I have large Word files from my Windows computer. These files take a lot of 
>> time loading on Mac when I open them on Word.
>> 
>> With Pages and Text Edit, I am facing a strange problem. I prefer to read 
>> paragraph by paragraph. But whenever Voiceover encounters a page break, it 
>> starts reading character by character.
>> 
>> I have taking this issue to Apple Accessibility and they have not been able 
>> to help.
>> 
>> My Word documents are 300 to 400 pages long. Can anyone please advise?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Moiz.
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Re: Reading on Pages and Text Edit

[moiz tundawala]

Thanks for your response. As I mentioned, in Text Edit, I am not being able 
to read paragraph by paragraph. When Voiceover moves to a new page, it 
reads the first paragraph character by character. The subsequent paragraphs 
are read properly, and then once again after a page break,  I encounter the 
same problem.
I have tried all possible options, with quick nav on and off, as well as 
keyboard commanders.
On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 5:12:10 PM UTC thepian...@gmail.com wrote:

> For things of that length I usually convert to text and read in TextEdit. 
> I’ve never had a problem with that.
>
>  
>
> *From: *macvisi...@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of moiz tundawala 
> *Date: *Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 10:53 AM
> *To: *MacVisionaries 
> *Subject: *Reading on Pages and Text Edit
>
> Hi
>
> What is the best way to read book length documents on Mac?
>
> I have large Word files from my Windows computer. These files take a lot 
> of time loading on Mac when I open them on Word.
>
> With Pages and Text Edit, I am facing a strange problem. I prefer to read 
> paragraph by paragraph. But whenever Voiceover encounters a page break, it 
> starts reading character by character.
>
> I have taking this issue to Apple Accessibility and they have not been 
> able to help.
>
> My Word documents are 300 to 400 pages long. Can anyone please advise?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Moiz.
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Re: Reading on Pages and Text Edit

[Brandon Olivares]

For things of that length I usually convert to text and read in TextEdit. I’ve 
never had a problem with that.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of moiz tundawala 
Date: Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 10:53 AM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: Reading on Pages and Text Edit
Hi
What is the best way to read book length documents on Mac?
I have large Word files from my Windows computer. These files take a lot of 
time loading on Mac when I open them on Word.
With Pages and Text Edit, I am facing a strange problem. I prefer to read 
paragraph by paragraph. But whenever Voiceover encounters a page break, it 
starts reading character by character.
I have taking this issue to Apple Accessibility and they have not been able to 
help.
My Word documents are 300 to 400 pages long. Can anyone please advise?
Thanks,
Moiz.
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Reading on Pages and Text Edit

[moiz tundawala]

Hi
What is the best way to read book length documents on Mac?
I have large Word files from my Windows computer. These files take a lot of 
time loading on Mac when I open them on Word.
With Pages and Text Edit, I am facing a strange problem. I prefer to read 
paragraph by paragraph. But whenever Voiceover encounters a page break, it 
starts reading character by character.
I have taking this issue to Apple Accessibility and they have not been able 
to help.
My Word documents are 300 to 400 pages long. Can anyone please advise?
Thanks,
Moiz.

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Reading book length documents with Text Edit and Pages

[moiz tundawala]

Hi All,

I am an academic and a new Mac user. I have started reasonably well, 
learning from John Panarese’s tutorials and other materials available 
online. As a researcher and scholar, I need to read and engage with 
multiple book length documents at the same time. My initial impression 
about Microsoft Word is that it does not work well with large documents on 
Mac. So I am trying out Text Edit and Pages. But here is a strange problem.

When I open a book length document on Text Edit/Pages/Word on Mac, I first 
interact with it to read the text. I use the quick arrow keys and my own 
commander shortcuts to read paragraph by paragraph.

Voiceover starts alright, but as it moves to a new page, it announces page 
break and I hear the beep sound indicating either entering invisible or 
visible section. After this, Voiceover weirdly begins to read character by 
character. It works fine when I go to the next paragraph. But the same 
problem occurs once again when Voiceover moves to the next page. This is 
extremely annoying, and I want Voiceover to read paragraph by paragraph 
smoothly across pages.

The books I am reading are in Word format which I am opening in Text Edit 
and Pages.

What settings do I need to change to stop Voiceover from getting stuck on 
pagebreaks?

As I mentioned, I need to work with large documents and I am looking for 
the best way to do this on Mac.

Warmly,

Moiz.

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Re: Track changes in text edit

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

On 23/11/22 11:49, Pat Pound wrote:

Can anyone lead me to an explanation of how to use this with voiceover in 
Ventura. Thank you.

If you're looking for version history, then it's discussed in this article:

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/make-textedit-powerful-hidden-features/

According to the article, you can obtain a list of prior versions of a 
file, and restore any of them. I don't use TextEdit, so I can't comment 
in detail. So far as I know, it doesn't allow you to display the 
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Track changes in text edit

[Pat Pound]

Can anyone lead me to an explanation of how to use this with voiceover in 
Ventura. Thank you.

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Re: Text Edit on after Mac sleeps

[Jürgen Fleger]

I do experience this bug as well. Turning VO on and of often works as CMD Tab 
does. But it doesn't work always. The last option I foundt is to duplicate the 
document to be able to navigate in te document. To me this is a very annoying 
bug because I use Textedit a lot.
All the best
Jürgen



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 14.10.2022 um 05:53 schrieb Gabe Griffith :
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> This happens to me also. I find that if I command tab away from the text edit 
> window then back it will work again. 
> 
> Gabe 
> 
> 
> 
> Gabe Griffith 
> President, California Council of the Blind 
> (925)222-5762
> gabe.griff...@ccbnet.org
> 
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2022, at 11:02 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> The easiest  option would be to either extend the wake time of your mac or  
>> disable the sleep function. I have heard of this happening to others as well.
>> 
>>>> On Oct 12, 2022, at 12:17, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey all, I am finding when I use TextEdit and I step away for a minute, my 
>>> Mac may go to the LockScreen. When I come back and unlock it, VoiceOver 
>>> will not read inside the text and a document. I need to turn VoiceOver off 
>>> and on again. Does anyone know why this is happening? Anything I can do 
>>> about it?
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> Tracy
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Re: Text Edit on after Mac sleeps

[Gabe Griffith]

Hi, 

This happens to me also. I find that if I command tab away from the text edit 
window then back it will work again. 

Gabe 



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> On Oct 12, 2022, at 11:02 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> The easiest  option would be to either extend the wake time of your mac or  
> disable the sleep function. I have heard of this happening to others as well.
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2022, at 12:17, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all, I am finding when I use TextEdit and I step away for a minute, my 
>> Mac may go to the LockScreen. When I come back and unlock it, VoiceOver will 
>> not read inside the text and a document. I need to turn VoiceOver off and on 
>> again. Does anyone know why this is happening? Anything I can do about it?
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Re: Text Edit on after Mac sleeps

[Herbie Allen]

The easiest  option would be to either extend the wake time of your mac or  
disable the sleep function. I have heard of this happening to others as well.

> On Oct 12, 2022, at 12:17, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Hey all, I am finding when I use TextEdit and I step away for a minute, my 
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> not read inside the text and a document. I need to turn VoiceOver off and on 
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Text Edit on after Mac sleeps

[Traci Duncan]

Hey all, I am finding when I use TextEdit and I step away for a minute, my Mac 
may go to the LockScreen. When I come back and unlock it, VoiceOver will not 
read inside the text and a document. I need to turn VoiceOver off and on again. 
Does anyone know why this is happening? Anything I can do about it?

Thank you,
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Re: Problem with Text Edit on latest Monterey

[Herbie Allen]

also, in the Text Edit info, it does say version 1.5 and last modified in  
February. I do not see it listed in the app store, but like Brad I would assume 
it would be updated with the OS.

> On Mar 18, 2022, at 13:57, Kliph  wrote:
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> could be that intell machine you still have!lol. try a good old fassion 
> restart.
> 
> 
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Re: Problem with Text Edit on latest Monterey

[Herbie Allen]

Yes, I am awaiting the day you send me your new Mac Studio. A restart seems to 
have solved the problem. It’s odd, since I had just started up the machine this 
morning but that’s how these things go I guess.


> On Mar 18, 2022, at 13:57, Kliph  wrote:
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> could be that intell machine you still have!lol. try a good old fassion 
> restart.
> 
> 
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Re: Problem with Text Edit on latest Monterey

[Kliph]

could be that intell machine you still have!lol. try a good old fassion restart.


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Re: Problem with Text Edit on latest Monterey

[Brad Snyder]

Would not text edit be updated when a macOS update is done? If running the 
latest version of macOS, I would think you would also be running the latest 
version of TextEdit.

- Brad -

On Mar 18, 2022, at 10:59, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Herbie,

Check the version of textedit.app in your applications folder. It should be 
version 5 or higher. If not, maybe download a new copy from the App Store.

Dave Carlson
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On Mar 18, 2022, at 10:08 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:

Running a Macbook pro 2019. For some reason, I cannot get Text  Edit to open 
since the latest Monterey update. It freezes on me. What’s interesting though 
is I can open files in it no problems, but it freezes with Command N and if I 
open it from the Doc, nothing. Pages seems like it is also slow to respond. My 
other apps are working just fine.

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Re: Problem with Text Edit on latest Monterey

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Herbie,

Check the version of textedit.app in your applications folder. It should be 
version 5 or higher. If not, maybe download a new copy from the App Store.

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On Mar 18, 2022, at 10:08 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:

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since the latest Monterey update. It freezes on me. What’s interesting though 
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Re: Problem with Text Edit on latest Monterey

[Brad Snyder]

I tried all the things you described, and I'm not experiencing any issues with 
TextEdit on 2021 14 inch MacBook Pro with M1 pro processor and 16 GB RAM, 
running macOS  Monterey 12.3.
Did not try anything with pages.

Perhaps it is an Intel thing.

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On Mar 18, 2022, at 10:08, Herbie Allen  wrote:

Running a Macbook pro 2019. For some reason, I cannot get Text  Edit to open 
since the latest Monterey update. It freezes on me. What’s interesting though 
is I can open files in it no problems, but it freezes with Command N and if I 
open it from the Doc, nothing. Pages seems like it is also slow to respond. My 
other apps are working just fine.

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Problem with Text Edit on latest Monterey

[Herbie Allen]

Running a Macbook pro 2019. For some reason, I cannot get Text  Edit to open 
since the latest Monterey update. It freezes on me. What’s interesting though 
is I can open files in it no problems, but it freezes with Command N and if I 
open it from the Doc, nothing. Pages seems like it is also slow to respond. My 
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Re: Can't save changes to existing text edit document.

[Gabe Griffith]

Hi, 

Could it be a problem with the drive itself? What happens if you copy one of 
the files in question to the harddrive or another USB drive and try editing it 
from there? 

Gabe 



> On Dec 3, 2021, at 9:16 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I just checked, and found it to be doing this on multiple documents.  I’m 
> really confused as to how this could’ve happened, because I have no idea how 
> to make changes to this, so I know for a fact that I haven’t touched any of 
> the settings, and under the sharing and permissions section under the drive 
> itself, I’m finding nothing useful in order to find out what got toggled 
> on/off.
> 
>> On Dec 3, 2021, at 11:39 AM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Check to see if this problem is only the one document, or the entire USB 
>> stick.
>> If the entire usb drive is protected, you have unknowingly hit the switch to 
>> enable protection.
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Dec 3, 2021, at 11:21 AM, Jessica Moss  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve just updated an existing text edit document I’ve had on my USB drive 
>>> for years, and had no problem saving changes to it in the past, and now all 
>>> of a sudden am getting a strange message that I don’t have permission to 
>>> make changes to the file.  I’ve gone into “get info” in finder, and under 
>>> the sharing and permissions section, all it displays is “you can read and 
>>> write” then the rest of the text is cut off and I can’t scroll any further.
>>> Has anyone else had this issue?
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Re: Can't save changes to existing text edit document.

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
This happened to me once. the problem was a small slider switch on the  USB 
drive was slid 
To the protect position.


> On Dec 3, 2021, at 12:16 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I just checked, and found it to be doing this on multiple documents.  I’m 
> really confused as to how this could’ve happened, because I have no idea how 
> to make changes to this, so I know for a fact that I haven’t touched any of 
> the settings, and under the sharing and permissions section under the drive 
> itself, I’m finding nothing useful in order to find out what got toggled 
> on/off.
> 
>> On Dec 3, 2021, at 11:39 AM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Check to see if this problem is only the one document, or the entire USB 
>> stick.
>> If the entire usb drive is protected, you have unknowingly hit the switch to 
>> enable protection.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2021, at 11:21 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve just updated an existing text edit document I’ve had on my USB drive 
>>> for years, and had no problem saving changes to it in the past, and now all 
>>> of a sudden am getting a strange message that I don’t have permission to 
>>> make changes to the file.  I’ve gone into “get info” in finder, and under 
>>> the sharing and permissions section, all it displays is “you can read and 
>>> write” then the rest of the text is cut off and I can’t scroll any further.
>>> Has anyone else had this issue?
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Re: Can't save changes to existing text edit document.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Flash drives are notoriously unreliable.  I suggest that you copy the files 
from that drive to your Mac.  You can then likely make the changes you want to 
make.  If you wish to keep using that flash drive, then after copying them to 
your Mac, go into Disk Utility, select the flash drive, and erase it using the 
MacOS Extended (Journaled) scheme.  You can then copy the files back over and, 
as long as the drive is not damaged in any way, you should be good for now.

Later…
 

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> On Dec 3, 2021, at 10:16, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I just checked, and found it to be doing this on multiple documents.  I’m 
> really confused as to how this could’ve happened, because I have no idea how 
> to make changes to this, so I know for a fact that I haven’t touched any of 
> the settings, and under the sharing and permissions section under the drive 
> itself, I’m finding nothing useful in order to find out what got toggled 
> on/off.
> 
>> On Dec 3, 2021, at 11:39 AM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Check to see if this problem is only the one document, or the entire USB 
>> stick.
>> If the entire usb drive is protected, you have unknowingly hit the switch to 
>> enable protection.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2021, at 11:21 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve just updated an existing text edit document I’ve had on my USB drive 
>>> for years, and had no problem saving changes to it in the past, and now all 
>>> of a sudden am getting a strange message that I don’t have permission to 
>>> make changes to the file.  I’ve gone into “get info” in finder, and under 
>>> the sharing and permissions section, all it displays is “you can read and 
>>> write” then the rest of the text is cut off and I can’t scroll any further.
>>> Has anyone else had this issue?
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Re: Can't save changes to existing text edit document.

[Jessica Moss]

I just checked, and found it to be doing this on multiple documents.  I’m 
really confused as to how this could’ve happened, because I have no idea how to 
make changes to this, so I know for a fact that I haven’t touched any of the 
settings, and under the sharing and permissions section under the drive itself, 
I’m finding nothing useful in order to find out what got toggled on/off.

> On Dec 3, 2021, at 11:39 AM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Check to see if this problem is only the one document, or the entire USB 
> stick.
> If the entire usb drive is protected, you have unknowingly hit the switch to 
> enable protection.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 3, 2021, at 11:21 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve just updated an existing text edit document I’ve had on my USB drive 
>> for years, and had no problem saving changes to it in the past, and now all 
>> of a sudden am getting a strange message that I don’t have permission to 
>> make changes to the file.  I’ve gone into “get info” in finder, and under 
>> the sharing and permissions section, all it displays is “you can read and 
>> write” then the rest of the text is cut off and I can’t scroll any further.
>> Has anyone else had this issue?
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Re: Can't save changes to existing text edit document.

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

Check to see if this problem is only the one document, or the entire USB stick.
If the entire usb drive is protected, you have unknowingly hit the switch to 
enable protection.


> On Dec 3, 2021, at 11:21 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I’ve just updated an existing text edit document I’ve had on my USB drive for 
> years, and had no problem saving changes to it in the past, and now all of a 
> sudden am getting a strange message that I don’t have permission to make 
> changes to the file.  I’ve gone into “get info” in finder, and under the 
> sharing and permissions section, all it displays is “you can read and write” 
> then the rest of the text is cut off and I can’t scroll any further.
>  Has anyone else had this issue?
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Can't save changes to existing text edit document.

[Jessica Moss]

I’ve just updated an existing text edit document I’ve had on my USB drive for 
years, and had no problem saving changes to it in the past, and now all of a 
sudden am getting a strange message that I don’t have permission to make 
changes to the file.  I’ve gone into “get info” in finder, and under the 
sharing and permissions section, all it displays is “you can read and write” 
then the rest of the text is cut off and I can’t scroll any further.
  Has anyone else had this issue?

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Re: Text edit

[Brad Snyder]

In the Main MenuBar, go to Edit > Find, open the submenu and you will find 
several Find actions, and the keyboard command for each option.
>From within the document, you can invoke Find and Replace, using the keyboard 
>command CMD + OPT + F.

- Brad -


On Oct 21, 2020, at 22:37, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I changed the subject line because we are now talking about text edit. how do I 
do a search and replace in there? I've got all these i circumflexes and i 
acutes for apostrophes and quotation marks. no idea how that happened but I'm 
pretty sure I can't fix it in a braille note.

> On Oct 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Brad Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> The fact that you indicated you didn’t have MS Word on your Mac, is another 
> reason I suggested that you use TextEdit.
> 
> You can convert a .txt file to MS Word format, using TextEdit as follows:
> 1.  Use the Mac keyboard command CMD + Shift + T, to convert the file from 
> plain text format to RTF format.
> 2.  Use the keyboard command CMD + OPT + Shift + S, to do a Save As, and 
> select either .doc or .docx from the list of available file formats in the 
> dialog.
> 
> HTH. 
> 
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> 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2020, at 16:12, Lorie McCloud  <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> you're right, Brad. I'm working on a book so I don't have to worry about 
> headings so for me, that's a viable solution. I don't even have ms word for 
> Mac. 
> 
> another question, how would I change a txt file into a doc file in Text edit?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chanelle,
>> 
>> I am not sure about the workaround for the Heading issue in TextEdit.  As 
>> you know, TextEdit is not nearly as full featured as MS Word.  I recommended 
>> TextEdit because the original poster was attempting to edit a .doc file she 
>> had created on a braille notetaker.  I recommended TextEdit because it would 
>> allow her to open and edit, and then save the file, while maintaining the 
>> .doc format, something that cannot be done when using Pages.
>> Yes, I know that a Pages file can be exported to one of the MS Word formats, 
>> but since the file was already in .doc, I thought using TextEdit was the 
>> simplest solution.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2020, at 13:01, Chanelle Allen > <mailto:chanellem.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I am a bit late to this conversation. My curiosity was piqued though, so I 
>> decided to investigate. Oddly, opening a Docx file in TextEdit retained the 
>> font type, style, and size for body text but not headings. The Docx file 
>> also seems to strip links but retain bulleted lists, although tabs are used 
>> instead of traditional formatting. I then converted the file to Doc using 
>> Microsoft Word for Mac. The links and font changes are retained. I am not 
>> sure if the list formatting is changed in the Doc version because there 
>> seems to be no reliable method for obtaining text position information. 
>> VO-F5-F5 only goes so far--especially when I can't get the mouse cursor to 
>> the exact location of the VO cursor. A VoiceOver equivalent of the Jaws 
>> alt-delete would be extremely helpful.
>> As a general question, since TextEdit does not have traditional heading 
>> styles, is there a work around? I decided to use the copy style command and 
>> chose to keep paragraph spacing, font, and ruler position when 
>> defining/saving a heading level 1, so I will see if that works.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Chanelle M. Allen
>> iBUG Mac Instructor
>> chanellem.al...@gmail.com <mailto:chanellem.al...@gmail.com>
>> www.ibugtoday.org <http://www.ibugtoday.org/>
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2020, at 08:24, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, of course. That's why I recommended that you use it.
>>> Text edit will open, work in, and save to a number of different file 
>>> formats. .
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2020, at 01:28, Lorie McCloud >> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> will text edit open a doc file?
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 7:28 PM, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You might try editing the document in Text Edit rather than Pages.
>>>> Text Edit will allow you to work in the documents existing format.  Pages 
>>>> will not.
>>>> 
>>>

Re: Text edit

[Herbie Allen]

Maybe somebody will have a better idea, but the only way I can think of is to 
paste the text file into an RTF file. I looked into Save As, but all that does 
is allow you to choose various Text formats.


> On Oct 21, 2020, at 22:37, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I changed the subject line because we are now talking about text edit. how do 
> I do a search and replace in there? I've got all these i circumflexes and i 
> acutes for apostrophes and quotation marks. no idea how that happened but I'm 
> pretty sure I can't fix it in a braille note.
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> The fact that you indicated you didn’t have MS Word on your Mac, is another 
>> reason I suggested that you use TextEdit.
>> 
>> You can convert a .txt file to MS Word format, using TextEdit as follows:
>> 1.  Use the Mac keyboard command CMD + Shift + T, to convert the file from 
>> plain text format to RTF format.
>> 2.  Use the keyboard command CMD + OPT + Shift + S, to do a Save As, and 
>> select either .doc or .docx from the list of available file formats in the 
>> dialog.
>> 
>> HTH. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2020, at 16:12, Lorie McCloud > <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> you're right, Brad. I'm working on a book so I don't have to worry about 
>> headings so for me, that's a viable solution. I don't even have ms word for 
>> Mac. 
>> 
>> another question, how would I change a txt file into a doc file in Text edit?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Chanelle,
>>> 
>>> I am not sure about the workaround for the Heading issue in TextEdit.  As 
>>> you know, TextEdit is not nearly as full featured as MS Word.  I 
>>> recommended TextEdit because the original poster was attempting to edit a 
>>> .doc file she had created on a braille notetaker.  I recommended TextEdit 
>>> because it would allow her to open and edit, and then save the file, while 
>>> maintaining the .doc format, something that cannot be done when using Pages.
>>> Yes, I know that a Pages file can be exported to one of the MS Word 
>>> formats, but since the file was already in .doc, I thought using TextEdit 
>>> was the simplest solution.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2020, at 13:01, Chanelle Allen >> <mailto:chanellem.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I am a bit late to this conversation. My curiosity was piqued though, so I 
>>> decided to investigate. Oddly, opening a Docx file in TextEdit retained the 
>>> font type, style, and size for body text but not headings. The Docx file 
>>> also seems to strip links but retain bulleted lists, although tabs are used 
>>> instead of traditional formatting. I then converted the file to Doc using 
>>> Microsoft Word for Mac. The links and font changes are retained. I am not 
>>> sure if the list formatting is changed in the Doc version because there 
>>> seems to be no reliable method for obtaining text position information. 
>>> VO-F5-F5 only goes so far--especially when I can't get the mouse cursor to 
>>> the exact location of the VO cursor. A VoiceOver equivalent of the Jaws 
>>> alt-delete would be extremely helpful.
>>> As a general question, since TextEdit does not have traditional heading 
>>> styles, is there a work around? I decided to use the copy style command and 
>>> chose to keep paragraph spacing, font, and ruler position when 
>>> defining/saving a heading level 1, so I will see if that works.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Chanelle M. Allen
>>> iBUG Mac Instructor
>>> chanellem.al...@gmail.com <mailto:chanellem.al...@gmail.com>
>>> www.ibugtoday.org <http://www.ibugtoday.org/>
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 20, 2020, at 08:24, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, of course. That's why I recommended that you use it.
>>>> Text edit will open, work in, and save to a number of different file 
>>>> formats. .
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 20, 2020, at 01:28, Lorie McCloud >>> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> will text edit open a doc file?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 18, 2

Text edit

[Lorie McCloud]

I changed the subject line because we are now talking about text edit. how do I 
do a search and replace in there? I've got all these i circumflexes and i 
acutes for apostrophes and quotation marks. no idea how that happened but I'm 
pretty sure I can't fix it in a braille note.

> On Oct 21, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> The fact that you indicated you didn’t have MS Word on your Mac, is another 
> reason I suggested that you use TextEdit.
> 
> You can convert a .txt file to MS Word format, using TextEdit as follows:
> 1.  Use the Mac keyboard command CMD + Shift + T, to convert the file from 
> plain text format to RTF format.
> 2.  Use the keyboard command CMD + OPT + Shift + S, to do a Save As, and 
> select either .doc or .docx from the list of available file formats in the 
> dialog.
> 
> HTH. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2020, at 16:12, Lorie McCloud  <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> you're right, Brad. I'm working on a book so I don't have to worry about 
> headings so for me, that's a viable solution. I don't even have ms word for 
> Mac. 
> 
> another question, how would I change a txt file into a doc file in Text edit?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chanelle,
>> 
>> I am not sure about the workaround for the Heading issue in TextEdit.  As 
>> you know, TextEdit is not nearly as full featured as MS Word.  I recommended 
>> TextEdit because the original poster was attempting to edit a .doc file she 
>> had created on a braille notetaker.  I recommended TextEdit because it would 
>> allow her to open and edit, and then save the file, while maintaining the 
>> .doc format, something that cannot be done when using Pages.
>> Yes, I know that a Pages file can be exported to one of the MS Word formats, 
>> but since the file was already in .doc, I thought using TextEdit was the 
>> simplest solution.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2020, at 13:01, Chanelle Allen > <mailto:chanellem.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I am a bit late to this conversation. My curiosity was piqued though, so I 
>> decided to investigate. Oddly, opening a Docx file in TextEdit retained the 
>> font type, style, and size for body text but not headings. The Docx file 
>> also seems to strip links but retain bulleted lists, although tabs are used 
>> instead of traditional formatting. I then converted the file to Doc using 
>> Microsoft Word for Mac. The links and font changes are retained. I am not 
>> sure if the list formatting is changed in the Doc version because there 
>> seems to be no reliable method for obtaining text position information. 
>> VO-F5-F5 only goes so far--especially when I can't get the mouse cursor to 
>> the exact location of the VO cursor. A VoiceOver equivalent of the Jaws 
>> alt-delete would be extremely helpful.
>> As a general question, since TextEdit does not have traditional heading 
>> styles, is there a work around? I decided to use the copy style command and 
>> chose to keep paragraph spacing, font, and ruler position when 
>> defining/saving a heading level 1, so I will see if that works.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Chanelle M. Allen
>> iBUG Mac Instructor
>> chanellem.al...@gmail.com <mailto:chanellem.al...@gmail.com>
>> www.ibugtoday.org <http://www.ibugtoday.org/>
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2020, at 08:24, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, of course. That's why I recommended that you use it.
>>> Text edit will open, work in, and save to a number of different file 
>>> formats. .
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2020, at 01:28, Lorie McCloud >> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> will text edit open a doc file?
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 7:28 PM, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You might try editing the document in Text Edit rather than Pages.
>>>> Text Edit will allow you to work in the documents existing format.  Pages 
>>>> will not.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:22, Lorie McCloud >>> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have a long document that I wrote on a braille note ages ago. when I 
>>>> changed the format to doc, something h

Re: How to set Font Size in Text Edit?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jonathan,

I am well, thanks.  Yes, they are RTF files. But Barry's solutions worked 
perfectly.

Hope you are well, too.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Nov 12, 2019, at 7:50 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> Just to be sure, these are rtf or doc or docx files and not plain text ones?
> Hope you are well.
> Jonathan 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2019, at 9:07 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've been having trouble changing the font size in Text Edit documents.  I 
>> select the text, click on the font size, select the size I want from the 
>> list.  Then I hear VO say Confirm, but there doesn't seem to be anything to 
>> click on.  I hear the VO thunk when I press Enter, Spacebar, or try and 
>> click on the Trackpad.  Nothing seems to make the font selection stick.  Can 
>> anyone tell me how to do this?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: How to set Font Size in Text Edit?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Oh, thanks for that. I'd forgotten about it!  Lacking the edit box, that's very 
helpful!
Cheers,
Donna


> On Nov 12, 2019, at 8:05 PM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> 
> Another way that I just found is to make selected text smaller or larger with 
> command-- or command-+ respectively.
> 
> I believe Tim was referring to the show font dialog with command-t.
> So, there you have it.  You can forget about the mouse all together.
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2019, at 19:39, Barry Hadder > <mailto:bhad...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> I am able to do this if I rout the mouse to vo and either click the combobox 
>> or click a value in the list.
>> Did you rout the mouse to vo before you tried clicking with the track pad?
>> Later.
>> 
>>> On Nov 12, 2019, at 13:48, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I used to do that, too, but I don't get that field any more.  All I get is 
>>> the combo box.  do you know how to bring the field back?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 12, 2019, at 1:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I usually just enter it in the field then close the Font window and it 
>>>> applies it.
>>>> 
>>>> Later...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>> Jamf Certified Associate
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 12, 2019, at 08:07, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I've been having trouble changing the font size in Text Edit documents.  I 
>>>> select the text, click on the font size, select the size I want from the 
>>>> list.  Then I hear VO say Confirm, but there doesn't seem to be anything 
>>>> to click on.  I hear the VO thunk when I press Enter, Spacebar, or try and 
>>>> click on the Trackpad.  Nothing seems to make the font selection stick.  
>>>> Can anyone tell me how to do this?
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
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Re: How to set Font Size in Text Edit?

[Barry Hadder]

Another way that I just found is to make selected text smaller or larger with 
command-- or command-+ respectively.

I believe Tim was referring to the show font dialog with command-t.
So, there you have it.  You can forget about the mouse all together.

> On Nov 12, 2019, at 19:39, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> I am able to do this if I rout the mouse to vo and either click the combobox 
> or click a value in the list.
> Did you rout the mouse to vo before you tried clicking with the track pad?
> Later.
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2019, at 13:48, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I used to do that, too, but I don't get that field any more.  All I get is 
>> the combo box.  do you know how to bring the field back?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 12, 2019, at 1:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I usually just enter it in the field then close the Font window and it 
>>> applies it.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Jamf Certified Associate
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Nov 12, 2019, at 08:07, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I've been having trouble changing the font size in Text Edit documents.  I 
>>> select the text, click on the font size, select the size I want from the 
>>> list.  Then I hear VO say Confirm, but there doesn't seem to be anything to 
>>> click on.  I hear the VO thunk when I press Enter, Spacebar, or try and 
>>> click on the Trackpad.  Nothing seems to make the font selection stick.  
>>> Can anyone tell me how to do this?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: How to set Font Size in Text Edit?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Donna,
Just to be sure, these are rtf or doc or docx files and not plain text ones?
Hope you are well.
Jonathan 


> On Nov 12, 2019, at 9:07 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been having trouble changing the font size in Text Edit documents.  I 
> select the text, click on the font size, select the size I want from the 
> list.  Then I hear VO say Confirm, but there doesn't seem to be anything to 
> click on.  I hear the VO thunk when I press Enter, Spacebar, or try and click 
> on the Trackpad.  Nothing seems to make the font selection stick.  Can anyone 
> tell me how to do this?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
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Re: How to set Font Size in Text Edit?

[Barry Hadder]

Hi Donna,

I am able to do this if I rout the mouse to vo and either click the combobox or 
click a value in the list.
Did you rout the mouse to vo before you tried clicking with the track pad?
Later.

> On Nov 12, 2019, at 13:48, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> I used to do that, too, but I don't get that field any more.  All I get is 
> the combo box.  do you know how to bring the field back?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2019, at 1:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi,
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>> I usually just enter it in the field then close the Font window and it 
>> applies it.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
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>> On Nov 12, 2019, at 08:07, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've been having trouble changing the font size in Text Edit documents.  I 
>> select the text, click on the font size, select the size I want from the 
>> list.  Then I hear VO say Confirm, but there doesn't seem to be anything to 
>> click on.  I hear the VO thunk when I press Enter, Spacebar, or try and 
>> click on the Trackpad.  Nothing seems to make the font selection stick.  Can 
>> anyone tell me how to do this?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: How to set Font Size in Text Edit?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I used to do that, too, but I don't get that field any more.  All I get is the 
combo box.  do you know how to bring the field back?
TIA,
Donna


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> I usually just enter it in the field then close the Font window and it 
> applies it.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
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> On Nov 12, 2019, at 08:07, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Hi all,
> 
> I've been having trouble changing the font size in Text Edit documents.  I 
> select the text, click on the font size, select the size I want from the 
> list.  Then I hear VO say Confirm, but there doesn't seem to be anything to 
> click on.  I hear the VO thunk when I press Enter, Spacebar, or try and click 
> on the Trackpad.  Nothing seems to make the font selection stick.  Can anyone 
> tell me how to do this?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: How to set Font Size in Text Edit?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I usually just enter it in the field then close the Font window and it applies 
it.

Later...


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On Nov 12, 2019, at 08:07, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

I've been having trouble changing the font size in Text Edit documents.  I 
select the text, click on the font size, select the size I want from the list.  
Then I hear VO say Confirm, but there doesn't seem to be anything to click on.  
I hear the VO thunk when I press Enter, Spacebar, or try and click on the 
Trackpad.  Nothing seems to make the font selection stick.  Can anyone tell me 
how to do this?
TIA,
Donna

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How to set Font Size in Text Edit?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

I've been having trouble changing the font size in Text Edit documents.  I 
select the text, click on the font size, select the size I want from the list.  
Then I hear VO say Confirm, but there doesn't seem to be anything to click on.  
I hear the VO thunk when I press Enter, Spacebar, or try and click on the 
Trackpad.  Nothing seems to make the font selection stick.  Can anyone tell me 
how to do this?
TIA,
Donna

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odd observation with Text Edit

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Okay,

Some feedback would sure be appreciated.  Earlier today, I was filling out a 
three page application for Section 8 recertification which the local section 8 
office converted to .rtf for me before they sent it.  I noticed that, while I 
was going along answering the questions, as I got further down the form to the 
bottom of page 1, and all the rest of the way down, I could read the questions 
fine:  but, I could not focus the curser so I could type my answers in the 
correct places so as to preserve the formatting.  Every single time I needed to 
put an X by a check box for either yes or no, or needed to type specific 
information, I had to go in to the view menu and choose zoom in.  Even going 
full screen was no help.  IS there something I overlooked in the process of 
opening the form?  Some setting I should adjust for next time?  Thanks.


Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

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Re: obtaining document word count in either Pages or Text Edit?

[Donna Goodin]

Nice!  I didn't see that.  Thanks, Andrew.
Best,
Donna
> On Feb 21, 2018, at 6:41 AM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote:
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> Donna,
> 
> In Pages under the View menu, you have an option to show or hide word count.  
> It has a shortcut key attached to it.  Have a look.
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> Best wishes
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>> Hi all,
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Re: obtaining document word count in either Pages or Text Edit?

[Andrew Lamanche]

Donna,

In Pages under the View menu, you have an option to show or hide word count.  
It has a shortcut key attached to it.  Have a look.

Best wishes

Andrew

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> TIA,
> Donna
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obtaining document word count in either Pages or Text Edit?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Is there a way to do this in either application?  I've looked in both Pages and 
Text Edit, and don't see it as an option in either one.
TIA,
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Re: How do you handle entering text in a combo boxes instead of text edit fields?

[E.T.]

   But you can type into combo boxes, type a first letter to jump to a 
known entry or add to the list.


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On 11/14/2017 8:18 PM, Eileen Scrivani wrote:
With a Combo box, you are not typing in, but rather selecting from a 
list of pre-determined choices by using the cursor up/down arrow to 
place the focus on the selection you want to choose. In an edit field 
you will type information in.

Eileen
*From:* Sharon Hooley
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:09 PM
*To:* Mac Visionaries
*Subject:* How do you handle entering text in a combo boxes instead of 
text edit fields?

Hi,

I’m not sure what the difference is between combo boxes for entering 
data and edit text fields.  Is there more than just interacting?


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Re: How do you handle entering text in a combo boxes instead of text edit fields?

[Eileen Scrivani]

With a Combo box, you are not typing in, but rather selecting from a list of 
pre-determined choices by using the cursor up/down arrow to place the focus on 
the selection you want to choose. In an edit field you will type information 
in. 

Eileen 

From: Sharon Hooley 
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Subject: How do you handle entering text in a combo boxes instead of text edit 
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Hi,

I’m not sure what the difference is between combo boxes for entering data and 
edit text fields.  Is there more than just interacting?

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Re: How do you handle entering text in a combo boxes instead of text edit fields?

[E.T.]

   You can type in text or select from a list of text that was already 
typed in previously.


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On 11/14/2017 7:09 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:

Hi,

I’m not sure what the difference is between combo boxes for entering data and 
edit text fields.  Is there more than just interacting?

Thanks,



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How do you handle entering text in a combo boxes instead of text edit fields?

[Sharon Hooley]

Hi,

I’m not sure what the difference is between combo boxes for entering data and 
edit text fields.  Is there more than just interacting?

Thanks,

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Re: Text Edit question

[Jonathan Cohn]

Ah, wonderful Emacs style commands. Control Q says quote the next
character. Generally, control-L in old emacs systems would re-paint the
screen with TextEdit that shouldn't be needed, so perhaps if it is defined
to do a re-paint then we can just drop that function and a control-L would
then work as a page break.

The other option would be to enable VI style keyboard in TextEdit and then
a long as you were in insert mode, control-L would insert your page break.




On 10 April 2017 at 18:01, <daj.griff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I had to look this up myself once and this is what I found on Google.
>
>
>
> To insert a page break, choose Format > "Wrap to page" (or press
> Command-Shift-W) so the break is visible. Position the cursor where you
> want to place
>
> the page break. Press Control-Q, then press Control-L. To remove the page
> break, press Delete.
>
>
>
> This is a little weird as it uses the control rather than the command key
> but it certainly used to work for me. I have not tried it recently though.
>
>
>
> David Griffith
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Linda <lladams...@gmail.com>
> *Sent: *10 April 2017 22:44
> *To: *MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject: *Text Edit question
>
>
>
> I researched but can't find the answer.  In text Edit, what is the
> keyboard shortcut to creat a New Page?  In Page it is command-entr but that
> doesn't seem to work in Text edit.  Many thanks.
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Re: Text Edit question

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

David's solution still works: control+q followed by control+l.  Also, 
alternatively, you can go to edit/insert/page break and get it this way. The 
insert submenu under edit also has insert line  option.

Andrew
> On 10 Apr 2017, at 22:44, Linda <lladams...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: Text Edit question

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

That sounds like a rather convoluted method.  I am a huge fan of keyboard 
shortcuts, but this one sounds more trouble than it's worth.  Alternatively, 
you can insert a page break by going up to the Edit menu, down to Insert, then 
choose Page Break from the sub-menu.  You could also create your own keyboard 
shortcut for this fairly easily.

1.  Go to System Preferences.
2.  Open the Keyboard pane.
3.  Select the Shortcuts tab.
4.  Interact with the table and navigate down to the Apps item.
5.  Stop interacting with the table and navigate right past the Application 
Shortcuts table to the Add button and press it.
6.  Choose TextEdit from the Applications pop-up menu.
7.  Enter "Page Break" exactly as quoted here in the menu item field.
8.  Choose a keyboard command for the shortcut.  I chose cmd-return since 
that's what I've used in other apps.
9.  Press OK or Add or whatever it is to confirm.
10.  Close System Preferences.

The shortcut is now ready to be used.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 10, 2017, at 16:01, daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:

I had to look this up myself once and this is what I found on Google.
 
To insert a page break, choose Format > "Wrap to page" (or press 
Command-Shift-W) so the break is visible. Position the cursor where you want to 
place
the page break. Press Control-Q, then press Control-L. To remove the page 
break, press Delete.
 
This is a little weird as it uses the control rather than the command key but 
it certainly used to work for me. I have not tried it recently though.
 
David Griffith
 
 
 
From: Linda <mailto:lladams...@gmail.com>
Sent: 10 April 2017 22:44
To: MacVisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Text Edit question
 
I researched but can't find the answer.  In text Edit, what is the keyboard 
shortcut to creat a New Page?  In Page it is command-entr but that doesn't seem 
to work in Text edit.  Many thanks.
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RE: Text Edit question

[daj.griffith]

I had to look this up myself once and this is what I found on Google.

To insert a page break, choose Format > "Wrap to page" (or press 
Command-Shift-W) so the break is visible. Position the cursor where you want to 
place
the page break. Press Control-Q, then press Control-L. To remove the page 
break, press Delete.

This is a little weird as it uses the control rather than the command key but 
it certainly used to work for me. I have not tried it recently though.

David Griffith



From: Linda
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To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Text Edit question

I researched but can't find the answer.  In text Edit, what is the keyboard 
shortcut to creat a New Page?  In Page it is command-entr but that doesn't seem 
to work in Text edit.  Many thanks.
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Text Edit question

[Linda]

I researched but can't find the answer.  In text Edit, what is the keyboard 
shortcut to creat a New Page?  In Page it is command-entr but that doesn't 
seem to work in Text edit.  Many thanks.

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Re: Text edit very sluggish when opening and saving documents

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Can it be the fact that it saves the files to Icloud Drive.
Not sure though why this should slow down things but just a thought.
/A
> 22 mars 2017 kl. 18:27 skrev Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com>:
> 
> I also have a sluggishness problem in TextEdit save dialogue, and my solution 
> has been to turn voiceover off and then back on again. This seems to bring 
> everything back right. I am running Sierra on a MacBook air with eight gig 
> ram. Although I don't think the ram or even the model of computer is an 
> issue. 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
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>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Gabe Griffith <gabrielgriff...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> What model of Mac do you have? I have a late 2011 MacBook Pro and ever since 
>> I have updated to Sierra I find everything to be very sluggish and get busy 
>> messages in most apps. The only solution I have been able to come up with or 
>> been given would be to upgrade my ram from four gigs to eight.
>> I would also be very interested to hear if anyone else on this list as any 
>> other suggestions or solutions.
>> Thank you,
>> Gabe
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Gabe's iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Nancy Badger <nancybad...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> Since I have upgraded to see Aira, I have noticed that text edit is very 
>>> sluggish when opening and saving documents. It takes for ever to arrow 
>>> through the dialog box. In fact I am writing this email why I am waiting on 
>>> it to catch up. Does anyone have any suggestions? This is about to drive me 
>>> crazy since I use it quite a bit.
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> Nancy
>>> 
>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
>>> UT Chattanooga
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Re: Text edit very sluggish when opening and saving documents

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I use to run a program called cleanmymac which removes some junk and repairs 
disk permissions and a lot more.
I can not remember the price of the app but its not huge.
THe app has made my mac mini mid 2011 run a bit faster.
/A
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> 
> Hi,
> What model of Mac do you have? I have a late 2011 MacBook Pro and ever since 
> I have updated to Sierra I find everything to be very sluggish and get busy 
> messages in most apps. The only solution I have been able to come up with or 
> been given would be to upgrade my ram from four gigs to eight.
> I would also be very interested to hear if anyone else on this list as any 
> other suggestions or solutions.
> Thank you,
> Gabe
> 
> 
> Sent from Gabe's iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Nancy Badger <nancybad...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> Since I have upgraded to see Aira, I have noticed that text edit is very 
>> sluggish when opening and saving documents. It takes for ever to arrow 
>> through the dialog box. In fact I am writing this email why I am waiting on 
>> it to catch up. Does anyone have any suggestions? This is about to drive me 
>> crazy since I use it quite a bit.
>> Thanks in advance
>> Nancy
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Re: Text edit very sluggish when opening and saving documents

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
I have 8gb ram in a 2010 mbp and Text edit works fine. I also updated to a 
750gb SSD.
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> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Gabe Griffith <gabrielgriff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> What model of Mac do you have? I have a late 2011 MacBook Pro and ever since 
> I have updated to Sierra I find everything to be very sluggish and get busy 
> messages in most apps. The only solution I have been able to come up with or 
> been given would be to upgrade my ram from four gigs to eight.
> I would also be very interested to hear if anyone else on this list as any 
> other suggestions or solutions.
> Thank you,
> Gabe
> 
> 
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>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Nancy Badger <nancybad...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> Since I have upgraded to see Aira, I have noticed that text edit is very 
>> sluggish when opening and saving documents. It takes for ever to arrow 
>> through the dialog box. In fact I am writing this email why I am waiting on 
>> it to catch up. Does anyone have any suggestions? This is about to drive me 
>> crazy since I use it quite a bit.
>> Thanks in advance
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Re: Text edit very sluggish when opening and saving documents

[Nancy Badger]

Phil,
It worked! Thank you very much for the tip. I am also going to report this to 
Apple.
Nancy

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> On Mar 22, 2017, at 1:27 PM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I also have a sluggishness problem in TextEdit save dialogue, and my solution 
> has been to turn voiceover off and then back on again. This seems to bring 
> everything back right. I am running Sierra on a MacBook air with eight gig 
> ram. Although I don't think the ram or even the model of computer is an 
> issue. 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
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>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Gabe Griffith <gabrielgriff...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> What model of Mac do you have? I have a late 2011 MacBook Pro and ever since 
>> I have updated to Sierra I find everything to be very sluggish and get busy 
>> messages in most apps. The only solution I have been able to come up with or 
>> been given would be to upgrade my ram from four gigs to eight.
>> I would also be very interested to hear if anyone else on this list as any 
>> other suggestions or solutions.
>> Thank you,
>> Gabe
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Gabe's iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Nancy Badger <nancybad...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> Since I have upgraded to see Aira, I have noticed that text edit is very 
>>> sluggish when opening and saving documents. It takes for ever to arrow 
>>> through the dialog box. In fact I am writing this email why I am waiting on 
>>> it to catch up. Does anyone have any suggestions? This is about to drive me 
>>> crazy since I use it quite a bit.
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> Nancy
>>> 
>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
>>> UT Chattanooga
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Re: Text edit very sluggish when opening and saving documents

[Nancy Badger]

I have a iMac that I am using at work as far as I know it was purchased last 
summer. I just looked under "about" and it says late 2015.

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> On Mar 22, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Gabe Griffith <gabrielgriff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> What model of Mac do you have? I have a late 2011 MacBook Pro and ever since 
> I have updated to Sierra I find everything to be very sluggish and get busy 
> messages in most apps. The only solution I have been able to come up with or 
> been given would be to upgrade my ram from four gigs to eight.
> I would also be very interested to hear if anyone else on this list as any 
> other suggestions or solutions.
> Thank you,
> Gabe
> 
> 
> Sent from Gabe's iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Nancy Badger <nancybad...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> Since I have upgraded to see Aira, I have noticed that text edit is very 
>> sluggish when opening and saving documents. It takes for ever to arrow 
>> through the dialog box. In fact I am writing this email why I am waiting on 
>> it to catch up. Does anyone have any suggestions? This is about to drive me 
>> crazy since I use it quite a bit.
>> Thanks in advance
>> Nancy
>> 
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Re: Text edit very sluggish when opening and saving documents

[Andrew Lamanche]

Please keep on reporting these issues to Apple accessibility.
> On 22 Mar 2017, at 17:27, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I also have a sluggishness problem in TextEdit save dialogue, and my solution 
> has been to turn voiceover off and then back on again. This seems to bring 
> everything back right. I am running Sierra on a MacBook air with eight gig 
> ram. Although I don't think the ram or even the model of computer is an 
> issue. 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Gabe Griffith <gabrielgriff...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> What model of Mac do you have? I have a late 2011 MacBook Pro and ever since 
>> I have updated to Sierra I find everything to be very sluggish and get busy 
>> messages in most apps. The only solution I have been able to come up with or 
>> been given would be to upgrade my ram from four gigs to eight.
>> I would also be very interested to hear if anyone else on this list as any 
>> other suggestions or solutions.
>> Thank you,
>> Gabe
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Gabe's iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Nancy Badger <nancybad...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> Since I have upgraded to see Aira, I have noticed that text edit is very 
>>> sluggish when opening and saving documents. It takes for ever to arrow 
>>> through the dialog box. In fact I am writing this email why I am waiting on 
>>> it to catch up. Does anyone have any suggestions? This is about to drive me 
>>> crazy since I use it quite a bit.
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> Nancy
>>> 
>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
>>> UT Chattanooga
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Re: Text edit very sluggish when opening and saving documents

[Phil Halton]

I also have a sluggishness problem in TextEdit save dialogue, and my solution 
has been to turn voiceover off and then back on again. This seems to bring 
everything back right. I am running Sierra on a MacBook air with eight gig ram. 
Although I don't think the ram or even the model of computer is an issue. 

Sent from my IPhone


> On Mar 22, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Gabe Griffith <gabrielgriff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> What model of Mac do you have? I have a late 2011 MacBook Pro and ever since 
> I have updated to Sierra I find everything to be very sluggish and get busy 
> messages in most apps. The only solution I have been able to come up with or 
> been given would be to upgrade my ram from four gigs to eight.
> I would also be very interested to hear if anyone else on this list as any 
> other suggestions or solutions.
> Thank you,
> Gabe
> 
> 
> Sent from Gabe's iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Nancy Badger <nancybad...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> Since I have upgraded to see Aira, I have noticed that text edit is very 
>> sluggish when opening and saving documents. It takes for ever to arrow 
>> through the dialog box. In fact I am writing this email why I am waiting on 
>> it to catch up. Does anyone have any suggestions? This is about to drive me 
>> crazy since I use it quite a bit.
>> Thanks in advance
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
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>> UT Chattanooga
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Re: Text edit very sluggish when opening and saving documents

[Gabe Griffith]

Hi,
What model of Mac do you have? I have a late 2011 MacBook Pro and ever since I 
have updated to Sierra I find everything to be very sluggish and get busy 
messages in most apps. The only solution I have been able to come up with or 
been given would be to upgrade my ram from four gigs to eight.
I would also be very interested to hear if anyone else on this list as any 
other suggestions or solutions.
Thank you,
Gabe


Sent from Gabe's iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Nancy Badger <nancybad...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> Since I have upgraded to see Aira, I have noticed that text edit is very 
> sluggish when opening and saving documents. It takes for ever to arrow 
> through the dialog box. In fact I am writing this email why I am waiting on 
> it to catch up. Does anyone have any suggestions? This is about to drive me 
> crazy since I use it quite a bit.
> Thanks in advance
> Nancy
> 
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Text edit very sluggish when opening and saving documents

[Nancy Badger]

Hi everyone,
Since I have upgraded to see Aira, I have noticed that text edit is very 
sluggish when opening and saving documents. It takes for ever to arrow through 
the dialog box. In fact I am writing this email why I am waiting on it to catch 
up. Does anyone have any suggestions? This is about to drive me crazy since I 
use it quite a bit.
Thanks in advance
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
UT Chattanooga
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

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Re: Saving Files in Text Edit

[Kat DeNicola]

Thank you so so so much!!


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> On Mar 14, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Larry Thacker Jr. <larry.thacker...@gmail.com> 
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> Move through until you hear “Disclosure.”  Activate that and the dialog will 
> expand to the full panel where you can navigate the folder structure.
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2017, at 8:02 PM, Kat DeNicola <waterwogs...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:waterwogs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> There is probably a simple answer to this that I knew at one time, but my 
>> brain is fried, and I need to work with someone on it tomorrow. So... When 
>> you save a file in text edit, how do you find the specific folder where you 
>> want to save it instead of the folders it suggests in the popup area? I know 
>> there's a sidebar, but I'm not seeing how changing the selection in one 
>> affects the other. I usually just save the file in the folder it defaults to 
>> and then move the file later, but I think my client would rather avoid that 
>> extra step if she can.
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Re: Saving Files in Text Edit

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

Move through until you hear “Disclosure.”  Activate that and the dialog will 
expand to the full panel where you can navigate the folder structure.

> On Mar 14, 2017, at 8:02 PM, Kat DeNicola <waterwogs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There is probably a simple answer to this that I knew at one time, but my 
> brain is fried, and I need to work with someone on it tomorrow. So... When 
> you save a file in text edit, how do you find the specific folder where you 
> want to save it instead of the folders it suggests in the popup area? I know 
> there's a sidebar, but I'm not seeing how changing the selection in one 
> affects the other. I usually just save the file in the folder it defaults to 
> and then move the file later, but I think my client would rather avoid that 
> extra step if she can.
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Saving Files in Text Edit

[Kat DeNicola]

There is probably a simple answer to this that I knew at one time, but my 
brain is fried, and I need to work with someone on it tomorrow. So... When 
you save a file in text edit, how do you find the specific folder where you 
want to save it instead of the folders it suggests in the popup area? I 
know there's a sidebar, but I'm not seeing how changing the selection in 
one affects the other. I usually just save the file in the folder it 
defaults to and then move the file later, but I think my client would 
rather avoid that extra step if she can.
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Re: fonts in text edit and sharing documents with iPhone

[Gabe Griffith]

As always, thanks again for the information. Gabe


Sent from Gabe's iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In TextEdit, select all the text in your document, press cmd-t to bring up 
> the Font dialog, then navigate to the size field and enter 12, or whatever 
> size you prefer.  Note that you may wish to change the font as well so that 
> the document has the same font throughout.  Size 12 in Aerial is different 
> looking than size 12 in Times.  Also note that only attributes that are 
> changed will affect what's selected.  So, if you don't change the size 
> number, then none of the font sizes will be changed.
> 
> One other note, as David has mentioned, it's Google Drive that you're likely 
> wanting, not Google Docs.  Google Drive allows you to use whatever document 
> type you wish, whereas a Google Doc is a specific document type itself.  It 
> is a web-based document only editable within a browser.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 14, 2016, at 23:10, Gabe Griffith <gabrielgriff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks all for the suggestions. I'm thinking that probably google docs may be 
> my best way to go. I have the app on my phone but what would be the best way 
> of sharing a document from the mac to docs? 
> 
> Also, a clarification, I am using text edit to create this file and am not 
> worried about headings bold italics etc. What is the best way in text edit to 
> make everything a uniform size?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> One additional note to add to the already good suggestions. If you don't 
>> want to upgrade to a MacOS that supports continuity and/or handoff, or at 
>> your hardware doesn't support that. Then you could get wi-Fi sharing on your 
>> iPhone so that the computer could use your cellular connection to reach the 
>> Internet. Depending on your carrier, this might cost money.
>>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 9:36 AM Larry Thacker Jr. 
>>> <larry.thacker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Those commands adjust the size respective to the existing size, so 
>>> everything would stay proportionally the same, just smaller or larger.  To 
>>> make it all uniform you will want to open the font
>>> dialog with Command-T.  Or at least that’s a way I know that would do it.  
>>> However it will also probably set everything to the same font and style and 
>>> you would then need to go and re-apply anything like headings, bold, 
>>> italics, etc. that you actually wanted.  I assume in Pages there’s probably 
>>> a way to get at just the size and make it uniform, but I ended up bringing 
>>> Word with me to the Mac and haven’t really gotten comfortable in Pages or 
>>> Text Edit for that matter.
>>> 
>>> > On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:51 AM, Gabe Griffith <gabrielgriff...@gmail.com> 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi all,
>>> > I work on a weekly news letter that contains content that comes to me 
>>> > from many different sources. As a result it apparently also comes in many 
>>> > different font sizes and I would like to try to make the font size 
>>> > uniform. This was not pointed out to me until recently and of course as a 
>>> > VO user I haven't ever really paid attention to that.
>>> >
>>> > OK, so now here is my problem. I have found the command in text edit to 
>>> > change font size by pressing command with either dash or plus. I assumed 
>>> > that if I did a command a to select all then either of these commands it 
>>> > would change the font for the entire document to what I wanted it to be. 
>>> > Apparently it isn't doing that. Does anyone know why or what I need to do 
>>> > differently?
>>> >
>>> > Now the next dilemma I am facing is that when I have to send this out to 
>>> > a couple of different email lists I am not always necessarily with my 
>>> > computer and internet access. So, what is the best method any of you have 
>>> > found for sharing a document from the mac to an iPhone so that I could 
>>> > copy all the text from the document and paste it in to the body of an 
>>> > email? I have tried dropbox and don't appear to be able to select the 
>>> > text from the document.
>>> >
>>> > I am using OS 10.9.5 maverics on a late 2011 macbook pro and an iPhone 7 
>>> > 

Re: fonts in text edit and sharing documents with iPhone

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

In TextEdit, select all the text in your document, press cmd-t to bring up the 
Font dialog, then navigate to the size field and enter 12, or whatever size you 
prefer.  Note that you may wish to change the font as well so that the document 
has the same font throughout.  Size 12 in Aerial is different looking than size 
12 in Times.  Also note that only attributes that are changed will affect 
what's selected.  So, if you don't change the size number, then none of the 
font sizes will be changed.

One other note, as David has mentioned, it's Google Drive that you're likely 
wanting, not Google Docs.  Google Drive allows you to use whatever document 
type you wish, whereas a Google Doc is a specific document type itself.  It is 
a web-based document only editable within a browser.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 14, 2016, at 23:10, Gabe Griffith <gabrielgriff...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Thanks all for the suggestions. I'm thinking that probably google docs may be 
my best way to go. I have the app on my phone but what would be the best way of 
sharing a document from the mac to docs? 

Also, a clarification, I am using text edit to create this file and am not 
worried about headings bold italics etc. What is the best way in text edit to 
make everything a uniform size?

Thanks,

Gabe


On Dec 14, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com 
<mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> One additional note to add to the already good suggestions. If you don't want 
> to upgrade to a MacOS that supports continuity and/or handoff, or at your 
> hardware doesn't support that. Then you could get wi-Fi sharing on your 
> iPhone so that the computer could use your cellular connection to reach the 
> Internet. Depending on your carrier, this might cost money.
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 9:36 AM Larry Thacker Jr. <larry.thacker...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:larry.thacker...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Those commands adjust the size respective to the existing size, so everything 
> would stay proportionally the same, just smaller or larger.  To make it all 
> uniform you will want to open the font
> dialog with Command-T.  Or at least that’s a way I know that would do it.  
> However it will also probably set everything to the same font and style and 
> you would then need to go and re-apply anything like headings, bold, italics, 
> etc. that you actually wanted.  I assume in Pages there’s probably a way to 
> get at just the size and make it uniform, but I ended up bringing Word with 
> me to the Mac and haven’t really gotten comfortable in Pages or Text Edit for 
> that matter.
> 
> > On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:51 AM, Gabe Griffith <gabrielgriff...@gmail.com 
> > <mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I work on a weekly news letter that contains content that comes to me from 
> > many different sources. As a result it apparently also comes in many 
> > different font sizes and I would like to try to make the font size uniform. 
> > This was not pointed out to me until recently and of course as a VO user I 
> > haven't ever really paid attention to that.
> >
> > OK, so now here is my problem. I have found the command in text edit to 
> > change font size by pressing command with either dash or plus. I assumed 
> > that if I did a command a to select all then either of these commands it 
> > would change the font for the entire document to what I wanted it to be. 
> > Apparently it isn't doing that. Does anyone know why or what I need to do 
> > differently?
> >
> > Now the next dilemma I am facing is that when I have to send this out to a 
> > couple of different email lists I am not always necessarily with my 
> > computer and internet access. So, what is the best method any of you have 
> > found for sharing a document from the mac to an iPhone so that I could copy 
> > all the text from the document and paste it in to the body of an email? I 
> > have tried dropbox and don't appear to be able to select the text from the 
> > document.
> >
> > I am using OS 10.9.5 maverics on a late 2011 macbook pro and an iPhone 7 
> > running iOS 10.2.
> >
> > Thanks for any suggestions.
> >
> > Gabe
> >
> >
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Re: fonts in text edit and sharing documents with iPhone

[David Chittenden]

Download Google Drive for sharing the docs between the computer and iOS. Google 
Docs automatically keeps the apps in Google Drive.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 15/12/2016, at 19:10, Gabe Griffith <gabrielgriff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks all for the suggestions. I'm thinking that probably google docs may be 
> my best way to go. I have the app on my phone but what would be the best way 
> of sharing a document from the mac to docs? 
> 
> Also, a clarification, I am using text edit to create this file and am not 
> worried about headings bold italics etc. What is the best way in text edit to 
> make everything a uniform size?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> One additional note to add to the already good suggestions. If you don't 
>> want to upgrade to a MacOS that supports continuity and/or handoff, or at 
>> your hardware doesn't support that. Then you could get wi-Fi sharing on your 
>> iPhone so that the computer could use your cellular connection to reach the 
>> Internet. Depending on your carrier, this might cost money.
>>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 9:36 AM Larry Thacker Jr. 
>>> <larry.thacker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Those commands adjust the size respective to the existing size, so 
>>> everything would stay proportionally the same, just smaller or larger.  To 
>>> make it all uniform you will want to open the font
>>> dialog with Command-T.  Or at least that’s a way I know that would do it.  
>>> However it will also probably set everything to the same font and style and 
>>> you would then need to go and re-apply anything like headings, bold, 
>>> italics, etc. that you actually wanted.  I assume in Pages there’s probably 
>>> a way to get at just the size and make it uniform, but I ended up bringing 
>>> Word with me to the Mac and haven’t really gotten comfortable in Pages or 
>>> Text Edit for that matter.
>>> 
>>> > On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:51 AM, Gabe Griffith <gabrielgriff...@gmail.com> 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi all,
>>> > I work on a weekly news letter that contains content that comes to me 
>>> > from many different sources. As a result it apparently also comes in many 
>>> > different font sizes and I would like to try to make the font size 
>>> > uniform. This was not pointed out to me until recently and of course as a 
>>> > VO user I haven't ever really paid attention to that.
>>> >
>>> > OK, so now here is my problem. I have found the command in text edit to 
>>> > change font size by pressing command with either dash or plus. I assumed 
>>> > that if I did a command a to select all then either of these commands it 
>>> > would change the font for the entire document to what I wanted it to be. 
>>> > Apparently it isn't doing that. Does anyone know why or what I need to do 
>>> > differently?
>>> >
>>> > Now the next dilemma I am facing is that when I have to send this out to 
>>> > a couple of different email lists I am not always necessarily with my 
>>> > computer and internet access. So, what is the best method any of you have 
>>> > found for sharing a document from the mac to an iPhone so that I could 
>>> > copy all the text from the document and paste it in to the body of an 
>>> > email? I have tried dropbox and don't appear to be able to select the 
>>> > text from the document.
>>> >
>>> > I am using OS 10.9.5 maverics on a late 2011 macbook pro and an iPhone 7 
>>> > running iOS 10.2.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for any suggestions.
>>> >
>>> > Gabe
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: fonts in text edit and sharing documents with iPhone

[Gabe Griffith]

Hi,

Thanks all for the suggestions. I'm thinking that probably google docs may be 
my best way to go. I have the app on my phone but what would be the best way of 
sharing a document from the mac to docs? 

Also, a clarification, I am using text edit to create this file and am not 
worried about headings bold italics etc. What is the best way in text edit to 
make everything a uniform size?

Thanks,

Gabe


On Dec 14, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> One additional note to add to the already good suggestions. If you don't want 
> to upgrade to a MacOS that supports continuity and/or handoff, or at your 
> hardware doesn't support that. Then you could get wi-Fi sharing on your 
> iPhone so that the computer could use your cellular connection to reach the 
> Internet. Depending on your carrier, this might cost money.
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 9:36 AM Larry Thacker Jr. 
> <larry.thacker...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Those commands adjust the size respective to the existing size, so everything 
> would stay proportionally the same, just smaller or larger.  To make it all 
> uniform you will want to open the font
> dialog with Command-T.  Or at least that’s a way I know that would do it.  
> However it will also probably set everything to the same font and style and 
> you would then need to go and re-apply anything like headings, bold, italics, 
> etc. that you actually wanted.  I assume in Pages there’s probably a way to 
> get at just the size and make it uniform, but I ended up bringing Word with 
> me to the Mac and haven’t really gotten comfortable in Pages or Text Edit for 
> that matter.
> 
> > On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:51 AM, Gabe Griffith <gabrielgriff...@gmail.com> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I work on a weekly news letter that contains content that comes to me from 
> > many different sources. As a result it apparently also comes in many 
> > different font sizes and I would like to try to make the font size uniform. 
> > This was not pointed out to me until recently and of course as a VO user I 
> > haven't ever really paid attention to that.
> >
> > OK, so now here is my problem. I have found the command in text edit to 
> > change font size by pressing command with either dash or plus. I assumed 
> > that if I did a command a to select all then either of these commands it 
> > would change the font for the entire document to what I wanted it to be. 
> > Apparently it isn't doing that. Does anyone know why or what I need to do 
> > differently?
> >
> > Now the next dilemma I am facing is that when I have to send this out to a 
> > couple of different email lists I am not always necessarily with my 
> > computer and internet access. So, what is the best method any of you have 
> > found for sharing a document from the mac to an iPhone so that I could copy 
> > all the text from the document and paste it in to the body of an email? I 
> > have tried dropbox and don't appear to be able to select the text from the 
> > document.
> >
> > I am using OS 10.9.5 maverics on a late 2011 macbook pro and an iPhone 7 
> > running iOS 10.2.
> >
> > Thanks for any suggestions.
> >
> > Gabe
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Re: fonts in text edit and sharing documents with iPhone

[Jonathan Cohn]

One additional note to add to the already good suggestions. If you don't
want to upgrade to a MacOS that supports continuity and/or handoff, or at
your hardware doesn't support that. Then you could get wi-Fi sharing on
your iPhone so that the computer could use your cellular connection to
reach the Internet. Depending on your carrier, this might cost money.
On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 9:36 AM Larry Thacker Jr. <
larry.thacker...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Those commands adjust the size respective to the existing size, so
> everything would stay proportionally the same, just smaller or larger.  To
> make it all uniform you will want to open the font
> dialog with Command-T.  Or at least that’s a way I know that would do it.
> However it will also probably set everything to the same font and style and
> you would then need to go and re-apply anything like headings, bold,
> italics, etc. that you actually wanted.  I assume in Pages there’s probably
> a way to get at just the size and make it uniform, but I ended up bringing
> Word with me to the Mac and haven’t really gotten comfortable in Pages or
> Text Edit for that matter.
>
> > On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:51 AM, Gabe Griffith <gabrielgriff...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I work on a weekly news letter that contains content that comes to me
> from many different sources. As a result it apparently also comes in many
> different font sizes and I would like to try to make the font size uniform.
> This was not pointed out to me until recently and of course as a VO user I
> haven't ever really paid attention to that.
> >
> > OK, so now here is my problem. I have found the command in text edit to
> change font size by pressing command with either dash or plus. I assumed
> that if I did a command a to select all then either of these commands it
> would change the font for the entire document to what I wanted it to be.
> Apparently it isn't doing that. Does anyone know why or what I need to do
> differently?
> >
> > Now the next dilemma I am facing is that when I have to send this out to
> a couple of different email lists I am not always necessarily with my
> computer and internet access. So, what is the best method any of you have
> found for sharing a document from the mac to an iPhone so that I could copy
> all the text from the document and paste it in to the body of an email? I
> have tried dropbox and don't appear to be able to select the text from the
> document.
> >
> > I am using OS 10.9.5 maverics on a late 2011 macbook pro and an iPhone 7
> running iOS 10.2.
> >
> > Thanks for any suggestions.
> >
> > Gabe
> >
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Re: fonts in text edit and sharing documents with iPhone

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

Those commands adjust the size respective to the existing size, so everything 
would stay proportionally the same, just smaller or larger.  To make it all 
uniform you will want to open the font 
dialog with Command-T.  Or at least that’s a way I know that would do it.  
However it will also probably set everything to the same font and style and you 
would then need to go and re-apply anything like headings, bold, italics, etc. 
that you actually wanted.  I assume in Pages there’s probably a way to get at 
just the size and make it uniform, but I ended up bringing Word with me to the 
Mac and haven’t really gotten comfortable in Pages or Text Edit for that matter.

> On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:51 AM, Gabe Griffith <gabrielgriff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I work on a weekly news letter that contains content that comes to me from 
> many different sources. As a result it apparently also comes in many 
> different font sizes and I would like to try to make the font size uniform. 
> This was not pointed out to me until recently and of course as a VO user I 
> haven't ever really paid attention to that. 
> 
> OK, so now here is my problem. I have found the command in text edit to 
> change font size by pressing command with either dash or plus. I assumed that 
> if I did a command a to select all then either of these commands it would 
> change the font for the entire document to what I wanted it to be. Apparently 
> it isn't doing that. Does anyone know why or what I need to do differently?
> 
> Now the next dilemma I am facing is that when I have to send this out to a 
> couple of different email lists I am not always necessarily with my computer 
> and internet access. So, what is the best method any of you have found for 
> sharing a document from the mac to an iPhone so that I could copy all the 
> text from the document and paste it in to the body of an email? I have tried 
> dropbox and don't appear to be able to select the text from the document.
> 
> I am using OS 10.9.5 maverics on a late 2011 macbook pro and an iPhone 7 
> running iOS 10.2.
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions.
> 
> Gabe
> 
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Re: fonts in text edit and sharing documents with iPhone

[David Chittenden]

If using Pages, and using iCloud, and both devices are using the same iCloud 
account, and Pages is backing up to iCloud, open pages on the iOS device and 
Pages will be able to access the file.

I also do the same using Google Docs with Google Drive.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 14/12/2016, at 19:51, Gabe Griffith <gabrielgriff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I work on a weekly news letter that contains content that comes to me from 
> many different sources. As a result it apparently also comes in many 
> different font sizes and I would like to try to make the font size uniform. 
> This was not pointed out to me until recently and of course as a VO user I 
> haven't ever really paid attention to that. 
> 
> OK, so now here is my problem. I have found the command in text edit to 
> change font size by pressing command with either dash or plus. I assumed that 
> if I did a command a to select all then either of these commands it would 
> change the font for the entire document to what I wanted it to be. Apparently 
> it isn't doing that. Does anyone know why or what I need to do differently?
> 
> Now the next dilemma I am facing is that when I have to send this out to a 
> couple of different email lists I am not always necessarily with my computer 
> and internet access. So, what is the best method any of you have found for 
> sharing a document from the mac to an iPhone so that I could copy all the 
> text from the document and paste it in to the body of an email? I have tried 
> dropbox and don't appear to be able to select the text from the document.
> 
> I am using OS 10.9.5 maverics on a late 2011 macbook pro and an iPhone 7 
> running iOS 10.2.
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions.
> 
> Gabe
> 
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fonts in text edit and sharing documents with iPhone

[Gabe Griffith]

Hi all,
I work on a weekly news letter that contains content that comes to me from many 
different sources. As a result it apparently also comes in many different font 
sizes and I would like to try to make the font size uniform. This was not 
pointed out to me until recently and of course as a VO user I haven't ever 
really paid attention to that. 

OK, so now here is my problem. I have found the command in text edit to change 
font size by pressing command with either dash or plus. I assumed that if I did 
a command a to select all then either of these commands it would change the 
font for the entire document to what I wanted it to be. Apparently it isn't 
doing that. Does anyone know why or what I need to do differently?

Now the next dilemma I am facing is that when I have to send this out to a 
couple of different email lists I am not always necessarily with my computer 
and internet access. So, what is the best method any of you have found for 
sharing a document from the mac to an iPhone so that I could copy all the text 
from the document and paste it in to the body of an email? I have tried dropbox 
and don't appear to be able to select the text from the document.

I am using OS 10.9.5 maverics on a late 2011 macbook pro and an iPhone 7 
running iOS 10.2.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Gabe


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Re: Finding special characters in Text Edit

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

That worked.  thanks.

> On Nov 26, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> Option-tab will insert a tab in the find dialog. Ctrl-enter will insert a 
> line separator. Option-enter will insert a newline.
>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:44 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks.  I can’t find the line separator but it saves a step  to do the 
>> newline.  option-t produces “dagger.”  Since VO normally says “tab” when 
>> encountering a tab character, I’m not sure if that’s the right thing.  I’ll 
>> be playing with it more tomorrow.
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm pretty sure that option T will insert the tab character, and most 
>>> likely option return or perhaps shift return or some combination thereof 
>>> will insert the line separator character. I know you can get linefeed with 
>>> option return.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 26, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Larry Thacker Jr. 
  wrote:
 
 I need to be able to find formatting characters in a text document and 
 change or remove them.  I’ve found that I can copy them to the clipboard 
 and then paste them into the search and replace fields, but I wonder if 
 there’s a better way.  For example, I frequently want to change something 
 Voiceover is calling “line separator” into “new line.”  I think I will 
 also have a need later today to change tab characters into spaces.  Is 
 there a way to enter these things into the search fields without having to 
 first find one in the document and then paste it in?
 
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Re: Finding special characters in Text Edit

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

Thanks.  I’m hoping this is a temporary problem.  I’m doing some file 
manipulation to get around bugs in a beta version of a program that hopefully 
will soon be fixed.  Mostly asking to get a feel of how folks that have been 
using the Mac a lot longer than I have would deal with it.  Based on tricks 
I’ve seen in a Windows editor I use, your script just prompted me to do a 
little digging.  There is limited capability built in, but it requires you to 
perform an action that is apparently inaccessible with Voiceover.  I could not 
do this without looking.  It’s an old article.

TextEdit’s search feature (tap Cmd+F) appears not to let you search for tabs or 
paragraph breaks.
There is a way. Click the magnifying glass to the left of the search field, 
then click Insert Pattern. This will cause a small menu to appear on which you 
can select from a range of invisibles.
The Insert Pattern menu also lets you insert wildcards, which are symbols that 
stand-in for any letter, word or number.
To close the search field, just tap Esc when the cursor is within it.



> On Nov 26, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Also, if this is something you are regularly doing then creating a sed or 
> perl or python script might be worthwhile.
> 
> The line 
> s/\t/   /
> will find all tabs and replace them with 8 spaces. There are "tidy" programs 
> that are often used for learning up program source code that are just more 
> complicated versions of the above.
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Phil Halton > > wrote:
>> 
>> I'm pretty sure that option T will insert the tab character, and most likely 
>> option return or perhaps shift return or some combination thereof will 
>> insert the line separator character. I know you can get linefeed with option 
>> return.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Larry Thacker Jr. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I need to be able to find formatting characters in a text document and 
>>> change or remove them.  I’ve found that I can copy them to the clipboard 
>>> and then paste them into the search and replace fields, but I wonder if 
>>> there’s a better way.  For example, I frequently want to change something 
>>> Voiceover is calling “line separator” into “new line.”  I think I will also 
>>> have a need later today to change tab characters into spaces.  Is there a 
>>> way to enter these things into the search fields without having to first 
>>> find one in the document and then paste it in?
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Re: Finding special characters in Text Edit

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Option-tab will insert a tab in the find dialog. Ctrl-enter will insert a line 
separator. Option-enter will insert a newline.
> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:44 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks.  I can’t find the line separator but it saves a step  to do the 
> newline.  option-t produces “dagger.”  Since VO normally says “tab” when 
> encountering a tab character, I’m not sure if that’s the right thing.  I’ll 
> be playing with it more tomorrow.
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm pretty sure that option T will insert the tab character, and most likely 
>> option return or perhaps shift return or some combination thereof will 
>> insert the line separator character. I know you can get linefeed with option 
>> return.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I need to be able to find formatting characters in a text document and 
>>> change or remove them.  I’ve found that I can copy them to the clipboard 
>>> and then paste them into the search and replace fields, but I wonder if 
>>> there’s a better way.  For example, I frequently want to change something 
>>> Voiceover is calling “line separator” into “new line.”  I think I will also 
>>> have a need later today to change tab characters into spaces.  Is there a 
>>> way to enter these things into the search fields without having to first 
>>> find one in the document and then paste it in?
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Re: Finding special characters in Text Edit

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

Thanks.  I can’t find the line separator but it saves a step  to do the 
newline.  option-t produces “dagger.”  Since VO normally says “tab” when 
encountering a tab character, I’m not sure if that’s the right thing.  I’ll be 
playing with it more tomorrow.

> On Nov 26, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I'm pretty sure that option T will insert the tab character, and most likely 
> option return or perhaps shift return or some combination thereof will insert 
> the line separator character. I know you can get linefeed with option return.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I need to be able to find formatting characters in a text document and 
>> change or remove them.  I’ve found that I can copy them to the clipboard and 
>> then paste them into the search and replace fields, but I wonder if there’s 
>> a better way.  For example, I frequently want to change something Voiceover 
>> is calling “line separator” into “new line.”  I think I will also have a 
>> need later today to change tab characters into spaces.  Is there a way to 
>> enter these things into the search fields without having to first find one 
>> in the document and then paste it in?
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Re: Finding special characters in Text Edit

[Jonathan Cohn]

Also, if this is something you are regularly doing then creating a sed or perl 
or python script might be worthwhile.

The line 
s/\t/   /
will find all tabs and replace them with 8 spaces. There are "tidy" programs 
that are often used for learning up program source code that are just more 
complicated versions of the above.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 



> On Nov 26, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I'm pretty sure that option T will insert the tab character, and most likely 
> option return or perhaps shift return or some combination thereof will insert 
> the line separator character. I know you can get linefeed with option return.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I need to be able to find formatting characters in a text document and 
>> change or remove them.  I’ve found that I can copy them to the clipboard and 
>> then paste them into the search and replace fields, but I wonder if there’s 
>> a better way.  For example, I frequently want to change something Voiceover 
>> is calling “line separator” into “new line.”  I think I will also have a 
>> need later today to change tab characters into spaces.  Is there a way to 
>> enter these things into the search fields without having to first find one 
>> in the document and then paste it in?
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Re: Finding special characters in Text Edit

[Phil Halton]

I'm pretty sure that option T will insert the tab character, and most likely 
option return or perhaps shift return or some combination thereof will insert 
the line separator character. I know you can get linefeed with option return.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Nov 26, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
> wrote:
> 
> I need to be able to find formatting characters in a text document and change 
> or remove them.  I’ve found that I can copy them to the clipboard and then 
> paste them into the search and replace fields, but I wonder if there’s a 
> better way.  For example, I frequently want to change something Voiceover is 
> calling “line separator” into “new line.”  I think I will also have a need 
> later today to change tab characters into spaces.  Is there a way to enter 
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Finding special characters in Text Edit

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

I need to be able to find formatting characters in a text document and change 
or remove them.  I’ve found that I can copy them to the clipboard and then 
paste them into the search and replace fields, but I wonder if there’s a better 
way.  For example, I frequently want to change something Voiceover is calling 
“line separator” into “new line.”  I think I will also have a need later today 
to change tab characters into spaces.  Is there a way to enter these things 
into the search fields without having to first find one in the document and 
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Re: Moving by page in Text Edit/Pages/etc?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Thanks! Now I have to think about what would be optimal.


Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On Aug 31, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Barry Hadder <bhad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Jonathan,
> 
> You might find this link helpful in regards to keybindings.
> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/EventOverview/TextDefaultsBindings/TextDefaultsBindings.html
>  
> <https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/EventOverview/TextDefaultsBindings/TextDefaultsBindings.html>
> On Aug 30, 2016, at 10:18, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Note on the rest of this message, in several places below Alex speaks "the 
> fifth" where I typed a Vee character. 
> 
> I was thinking about this, and realized that the standard editor 
> functionality of MacOS will simulate Emacs keystrokes. 
> 
> What this means is that control-V moves down a page, and meta-V as defined in 
> standard emacs moves up a page. I was able to get the control-V to work I 
> believe, but either I am forgetting my emacs commands after several years of 
> non-use or something else is going on. 
> 
> Does anybody remember where the definition file for this is? This is code 
> that MacOs inherited from the NeXT systems.  I expect that there is a "vi 
> mode still around somewhere and for those of that persuasion wouldn't it be 
> nice to have VI commands in textedit and mail composition?
> 
> Best Wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn   
> 
> On 26 August 2016 at 07:01, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> Thanks. Interacting was one step I was missing, as I never interact with text 
> unless I need vo-a to track my position. I also never knew what wrap to 
> page/window in Text Edit do. Are they visual changes only, or is there 
> something they do that is helpful to VO users aside from allowing page-level 
> movements? For instance, does 'wrap to page' show what your document would 
> look like, and where page breaks would be, when printed out on paper?
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 09:22, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk 
>> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Alex,
>> 
>> In TextEdit, you need to adjust the window to the page for VO-Page Down to 
>> work. The command to change this is Cmd-Shift-w.
>> 
>> In Pages and in TextEdit, you have to be interacting with the text area for 
>> the Page Down command to work.
>> 
>> The Page Down key only has a visual effect, so it’s actually useless for us.
>> 
>> The VO-Page Down command works for me in both Pages and TextEdit, but not in 
>> Preview.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:20, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm not normally in need of a way to move by page, but I find myself 
>>> suddenly trying to figure it out now. VO's help reports that the command is 
>>> vo-pageDown, but that doesn't seem to do anything. I'm also wondering if 
>>> there's a macOS way, much like vo-right moves by word but you should use 
>>> option-right instead. I'm aware of how to make the page up/down keys on the 
>>> Mac, I just don't know what to pair them with to get them to actually move 
>>> the cursor by page. Thanks in advance.
>>> 
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>>> Alex Hall
>>> mehg...@icloud.com <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Moving by page in Text Edit/Pages/etc?

[Barry Hadder]

Jonathan,

You might find this link helpful in regards to keybindings.
https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/EventOverview/TextDefaultsBindings/TextDefaultsBindings.html
On Aug 30, 2016, at 10:18, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

Note on the rest of this message, in several places below Alex speaks "the 
fifth" where I typed a Vee character. 

I was thinking about this, and realized that the standard editor functionality 
of MacOS will simulate Emacs keystrokes. 

What this means is that control-V moves down a page, and meta-V as defined in 
standard emacs moves up a page. I was able to get the control-V to work I 
believe, but either I am forgetting my emacs commands after several years of 
non-use or something else is going on. 

Does anybody remember where the definition file for this is? This is code that 
MacOs inherited from the NeXT systems.  I expect that there is a "vi mode still 
around somewhere and for those of that persuasion wouldn't it be nice to have 
VI commands in textedit and mail composition?

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn   

On 26 August 2016 at 07:01, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
<mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
Thanks. Interacting was one step I was missing, as I never interact with text 
unless I need vo-a to track my position. I also never knew what wrap to 
page/window in Text Edit do. Are they visual changes only, or is there 
something they do that is helpful to VO users aside from allowing page-level 
movements? For instance, does 'wrap to page' show what your document would look 
like, and where page breaks would be, when printed out on paper?

> On Aug 25, 2016, at 09:22, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk 
> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
> 
> Hello Alex,
> 
> In TextEdit, you need to adjust the window to the page for VO-Page Down to 
> work. The command to change this is Cmd-Shift-w.
> 
> In Pages and in TextEdit, you have to be interacting with the text area for 
> the Page Down command to work.
> 
> The Page Down key only has a visual effect, so it’s actually useless for us.
> 
> The VO-Page Down command works for me in both Pages and TextEdit, but not in 
> Preview.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:20, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm not normally in need of a way to move by page, but I find myself 
>> suddenly trying to figure it out now. VO's help reports that the command is 
>> vo-pageDown, but that doesn't seem to do anything. I'm also wondering if 
>> there's a macOS way, much like vo-right moves by word but you should use 
>> option-right instead. I'm aware of how to make the page up/down keys on the 
>> Mac, I just don't know what to pair them with to get them to actually move 
>> the cursor by page. Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> --
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex Hall
>> mehg...@icloud.com <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Moving by page in Text Edit/Pages/etc?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Note on the rest of this message, in several places below Alex speaks "the
fifth" where I typed a Vee character.

I was thinking about this, and realized that the standard editor
functionality of MacOS will simulate Emacs keystrokes.

What this means is that control-V moves down a page, and meta-V as defined
in standard emacs moves up a page. I was able to get the control-V to work
I believe, but either I am forgetting my emacs commands after several years
of non-use or something else is going on.

Does anybody remember where the definition file for this is? This is code
that MacOs inherited from the NeXT systems.  I expect that there is a "vi
mode still around somewhere and for those of that persuasion wouldn't it be
nice to have VI commands in textedit and mail composition?

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

On 26 August 2016 at 07:01, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:

> Thanks. Interacting was one step I was missing, as I never interact with
> text unless I need vo-a to track my position. I also never knew what wrap
> to page/window in Text Edit do. Are they visual changes only, or is there
> something they do that is helpful to VO users aside from allowing
> page-level movements? For instance, does 'wrap to page' show what your
> document would look like, and where page breaks would be, when printed out
> on paper?
>
> On Aug 25, 2016, at 09:22, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
>
> Hello Alex,
>
> In TextEdit, you need to adjust the window to the page for VO-Page Down to
> work. The command to change this is Cmd-Shift-w.
>
> In Pages and in TextEdit, you have to be interacting with the text area
> for the Page Down command to work.
>
> The Page Down key only has a visual effect, so it’s actually useless for
> us.
>
> The VO-Page Down command works for me in both Pages and TextEdit, but not
> in Preview.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
>
> On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:20, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I'm not normally in need of a way to move by page, but I find myself
> suddenly trying to figure it out now. VO's help reports that the command is
> vo-pageDown, but that doesn't seem to do anything. I'm also wondering if
> there's a macOS way, much like vo-right moves by word but you should use
> option-right instead. I'm aware of how to make the page up/down keys on the
> Mac, I just don't know what to pair them with to get them to actually move
> the cursor by page. Thanks in advance.
>
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Re: Moving by page in Text Edit/Pages/etc?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Anne,

That switch makes sense.  On the occasions when I did use those commands, I 
remember that the results seemed unpredictable, and that sometimes nothing 
would happen at all.  This probably explains that.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Aug 26, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> The commands you’re thinking about are Go to first or last visible item and 
> Go to First or Last Item. These were switched round in El Capitan. To me, 
> this makes sense for a VO user who normally doesn’t care what’s visible or 
> not. So now, VO-Home goes to first item and not first visible item.
> I use VO-Home and VO-End a lot to save time.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 26 Aug 2016, at 14:46, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anne,
>> 
>> I realized after I wrote that the commands I was thinking of were the Home 
>> and End commands.  I don't recall the exact keystrokes, but they require 
>> pressing a whole lot of keys. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 1:14 AM, Anne Robertson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Donna,
>>> 
>>> No, the command has always been the same.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 25 Aug 2016, at 20:22, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 Wow, Anne, thank you!  Did there used to be a different command?  I 
 remember it as being something like VO+FN+Shift+  God knows what else.  I 
 just remember trying to get my fingers to do it, and giving up. :)
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Aug 25, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Anne Robertson  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> The Page Down command is VO-Page Down, on a laptop, this is VO-FN-Down 
> Arrow. Not difficult at all.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Aug 2016, at 15:44, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Can someone refresh my memory about the VO page-Down command?  All I 
>> remember is that it is some impossible command that requires 27 fingers.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:22 AM, Anne Robertson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Alex,
>>> 
>>> In TextEdit, you need to adjust the window to the page for VO-Page Down 
>>> to work. The command to change this is Cmd-Shift-w.
>>> 
>>> In Pages and in TextEdit, you have to be interacting with the text area 
>>> for the Page Down command to work.
>>> 
>>> The Page Down key only has a visual effect, so it’s actually useless 
>>> for us.
>>> 
>>> The VO-Page Down command works for me in both Pages and TextEdit, but 
>>> not in Preview.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:20, Alex Hall > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I'm not normally in need of a way to move by page, but I find myself 
 suddenly trying to figure it out now. VO's help reports that the 
 command is vo-pageDown, but that doesn't seem to do anything. I'm also 
 wondering if there's a macOS way, much like vo-right moves by word but 
 you should use option-right instead. I'm aware of how to make the page 
 up/down keys on the Mac, I just don't know what to pair them with to 
 get them to actually move the cursor by page. Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: Moving by page in Text Edit/Pages/etc?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Donna,

The commands you’re thinking about are Go to first or last visible item and Go 
to First or Last Item. These were switched round in El Capitan. To me, this 
makes sense for a VO user who normally doesn’t care what’s visible or not. So 
now, VO-Home goes to first item and not first visible item.
I use VO-Home and VO-End a lot to save time.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 26 Aug 2016, at 14:46, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anne,
> 
> I realized after I wrote that the commands I was thinking of were the Home 
> and End commands.  I don't recall the exact keystrokes, but they require 
> pressing a whole lot of keys. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 1:14 AM, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Donna,
>> 
>> No, the command has always been the same.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2016, at 20:22, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, Anne, thank you!  Did there used to be a different command?  I 
>>> remember it as being something like VO+FN+Shift+  God knows what else.  I 
>>> just remember trying to get my fingers to do it, and giving up. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Aug 25, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Anne Robertson > wrote:
 
 Hello Donna,
 
 The Page Down command is VO-Page Down, on a laptop, this is VO-FN-Down 
 Arrow. Not difficult at all.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 
> On 25 Aug 2016, at 15:44, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Can someone refresh my memory about the VO page-Down command?  All I 
> remember is that it is some impossible command that requires 27 fingers.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:22 AM, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Alex,
>> 
>> In TextEdit, you need to adjust the window to the page for VO-Page Down 
>> to work. The command to change this is Cmd-Shift-w.
>> 
>> In Pages and in TextEdit, you have to be interacting with the text area 
>> for the Page Down command to work.
>> 
>> The Page Down key only has a visual effect, so it’s actually useless for 
>> us.
>> 
>> The VO-Page Down command works for me in both Pages and TextEdit, but 
>> not in Preview.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:20, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm not normally in need of a way to move by page, but I find myself 
>>> suddenly trying to figure it out now. VO's help reports that the 
>>> command is vo-pageDown, but that doesn't seem to do anything. I'm also 
>>> wondering if there's a macOS way, much like vo-right moves by word but 
>>> you should use option-right instead. I'm aware of how to make the page 
>>> up/down keys on the Mac, I just don't know what to pair them with to 
>>> get them to actually move the cursor by page. Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex Hall
>>> mehg...@icloud.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Moving by page in Text Edit/Pages/etc?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Alex,

Wrap to Page does indeed show what the document would look like if printed, and 
allows VO users to find the page breaks.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 26 Aug 2016, at 13:01, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks. Interacting was one step I was missing, as I never interact with text 
> unless I need vo-a to track my position. I also never knew what wrap to 
> page/window in Text Edit do. Are they visual changes only, or is there 
> something they do that is helpful to VO users aside from allowing page-level 
> movements? For instance, does 'wrap to page' show what your document would 
> look like, and where page breaks would be, when printed out on paper?
>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 09:22, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk 
>> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Alex,
>> 
>> In TextEdit, you need to adjust the window to the page for VO-Page Down to 
>> work. The command to change this is Cmd-Shift-w.
>> 
>> In Pages and in TextEdit, you have to be interacting with the text area for 
>> the Page Down command to work.
>> 
>> The Page Down key only has a visual effect, so it’s actually useless for us.
>> 
>> The VO-Page Down command works for me in both Pages and TextEdit, but not in 
>> Preview.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:20, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm not normally in need of a way to move by page, but I find myself 
>>> suddenly trying to figure it out now. VO's help reports that the command is 
>>> vo-pageDown, but that doesn't seem to do anything. I'm also wondering if 
>>> there's a macOS way, much like vo-right moves by word but you should use 
>>> option-right instead. I'm aware of how to make the page up/down keys on the 
>>> Mac, I just don't know what to pair them with to get them to actually move 
>>> the cursor by page. Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex Hall
>>> mehg...@icloud.com <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Moving by page in Text Edit/Pages/etc?

[E.T.]

   There are a whole lot of keys? There are worse combinations.

VO-FN-Left Arrow, VO-Shift-FN-Left Arrow
VO-Cmd-FN-Right Arrow.

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On 8/26/2016 5:46 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Hi Anne,

I realized after I wrote that the commands I was thinking of were the
Home and End commands.  I don't recall the exact keystrokes, but they
require pressing a whole lot of keys. :)
Cheers,
Donna


On Aug 26, 2016, at 1:14 AM, Anne Robertson > wrote:

Hello Donna,

No, the command has always been the same.

Cheers,

Anne




On 25 Aug 2016, at 20:22, Donna Goodin > wrote:

Wow, Anne, thank you!  Did there used to be a different command?  I
remember it as being something like VO+FN+Shift+  God knows what
else.  I just remember trying to get my fingers to do it, and giving
up. :)
Cheers,
Donna


On Aug 25, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Anne Robertson > wrote:

Hello Donna,

The Page Down command is VO-Page Down, on a laptop, this is
VO-FN-Down Arrow. Not difficult at all.

Cheers,

Anne




On 25 Aug 2016, at 15:44, Donna Goodin > wrote:

Can someone refresh my memory about the VO page-Down command?  All
I remember is that it is some impossible command that requires 27
fingers.
Cheers,
Donna

On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:22 AM, Anne Robertson > wrote:

Hello Alex,

In TextEdit, you need to adjust the window to the page for VO-Page
Down to work. The command to change this is Cmd-Shift-w.

In Pages and in TextEdit, you have to be interacting with the text
area for the Page Down command to work.

The Page Down key only has a visual effect, so it’s actually
useless for us.

The VO-Page Down command works for me in both Pages and TextEdit,
but not in Preview.

Cheers,

Anne




On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:20, Alex Hall > wrote:

Hi all,
I'm not normally in need of a way to move by page, but I find
myself suddenly trying to figure it out now. VO's help reports
that the command is vo-pageDown, but that doesn't seem to do
anything. I'm also wondering if there's a macOS way, much like
vo-right moves by word but you should use option-right instead.
I'm aware of how to make the page up/down keys on the Mac, I just
don't know what to pair them with to get them to actually move
the cursor by page. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Moving by page in Text Edit/Pages/etc?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Anne,

I realized after I wrote that the commands I was thinking of were the Home and 
End commands.  I don't recall the exact keystrokes, but they require pressing a 
whole lot of keys. :)
Cheers,
Donna

> On Aug 26, 2016, at 1:14 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> No, the command has always been the same.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Aug 2016, at 20:22, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, Anne, thank you!  Did there used to be a different command?  I remember 
>> it as being something like VO+FN+Shift+  God knows what else.  I just 
>> remember trying to get my fingers to do it, and giving up. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Anne Robertson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Donna,
>>> 
>>> The Page Down command is VO-Page Down, on a laptop, this is VO-FN-Down 
>>> Arrow. Not difficult at all.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 25 Aug 2016, at 15:44, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 Can someone refresh my memory about the VO page-Down command?  All I 
 remember is that it is some impossible command that requires 27 fingers.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:22 AM, Anne Robertson  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Alex,
> 
> In TextEdit, you need to adjust the window to the page for VO-Page Down 
> to work. The command to change this is Cmd-Shift-w.
> 
> In Pages and in TextEdit, you have to be interacting with the text area 
> for the Page Down command to work.
> 
> The Page Down key only has a visual effect, so it’s actually useless for 
> us.
> 
> The VO-Page Down command works for me in both Pages and TextEdit, but not 
> in Preview.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:20, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm not normally in need of a way to move by page, but I find myself 
>> suddenly trying to figure it out now. VO's help reports that the command 
>> is vo-pageDown, but that doesn't seem to do anything. I'm also wondering 
>> if there's a macOS way, much like vo-right moves by word but you should 
>> use option-right instead. I'm aware of how to make the page up/down keys 
>> on the Mac, I just don't know what to pair them with to get them to 
>> actually move the cursor by page. Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> --
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>> Alex Hall
>> mehg...@icloud.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Moving by page in Text Edit/Pages/etc?

[Alex Hall]

Thanks. Interacting was one step I was missing, as I never interact with text 
unless I need vo-a to track my position. I also never knew what wrap to 
page/window in Text Edit do. Are they visual changes only, or is there 
something they do that is helpful to VO users aside from allowing page-level 
movements? For instance, does 'wrap to page' show what your document would look 
like, and where page breaks would be, when printed out on paper?
> On Aug 25, 2016, at 09:22, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hello Alex,
> 
> In TextEdit, you need to adjust the window to the page for VO-Page Down to 
> work. The command to change this is Cmd-Shift-w.
> 
> In Pages and in TextEdit, you have to be interacting with the text area for 
> the Page Down command to work.
> 
> The Page Down key only has a visual effect, so it’s actually useless for us.
> 
> The VO-Page Down command works for me in both Pages and TextEdit, but not in 
> Preview.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:20, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm not normally in need of a way to move by page, but I find myself 
>> suddenly trying to figure it out now. VO's help reports that the command is 
>> vo-pageDown, but that doesn't seem to do anything. I'm also wondering if 
>> there's a macOS way, much like vo-right moves by word but you should use 
>> option-right instead. I'm aware of how to make the page up/down keys on the 
>> Mac, I just don't know what to pair them with to get them to actually move 
>> the cursor by page. Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> --
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex Hall
>> mehg...@icloud.com <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Moving by page in Text Edit/Pages/etc?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Donna,

No, the command has always been the same.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 25 Aug 2016, at 20:22, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Wow, Anne, thank you!  Did there used to be a different command?  I remember 
> it as being something like VO+FN+Shift+  God knows what else.  I just 
> remember trying to get my fingers to do it, and giving up. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Donna,
>> 
>> The Page Down command is VO-Page Down, on a laptop, this is VO-FN-Down 
>> Arrow. Not difficult at all.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2016, at 15:44, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can someone refresh my memory about the VO page-Down command?  All I 
>>> remember is that it is some impossible command that requires 27 fingers.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:22 AM, Anne Robertson > wrote:
 
 Hello Alex,
 
 In TextEdit, you need to adjust the window to the page for VO-Page Down to 
 work. The command to change this is Cmd-Shift-w.
 
 In Pages and in TextEdit, you have to be interacting with the text area 
 for the Page Down command to work.
 
 The Page Down key only has a visual effect, so it’s actually useless for 
 us.
 
 The VO-Page Down command works for me in both Pages and TextEdit, but not 
 in Preview.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 
> On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:20, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I'm not normally in need of a way to move by page, but I find myself 
> suddenly trying to figure it out now. VO's help reports that the command 
> is vo-pageDown, but that doesn't seem to do anything. I'm also wondering 
> if there's a macOS way, much like vo-right moves by word but you should 
> use option-right instead. I'm aware of how to make the page up/down keys 
> on the Mac, I just don't know what to pair them with to get them to 
> actually move the cursor by page. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Moving by page in Text Edit/Pages/etc?

[Donna Goodin]

Wow, Anne, thank you!  Did there used to be a different command?  I remember it 
as being something like VO+FN+Shift+  God knows what else.  I just remember 
trying to get my fingers to do it, and giving up. :)
Cheers,
Donna

> On Aug 25, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> The Page Down command is VO-Page Down, on a laptop, this is VO-FN-Down Arrow. 
> Not difficult at all.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Aug 2016, at 15:44, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Can someone refresh my memory about the VO page-Down command?  All I 
>> remember is that it is some impossible command that requires 27 fingers.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:22 AM, Anne Robertson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Alex,
>>> 
>>> In TextEdit, you need to adjust the window to the page for VO-Page Down to 
>>> work. The command to change this is Cmd-Shift-w.
>>> 
>>> In Pages and in TextEdit, you have to be interacting with the text area for 
>>> the Page Down command to work.
>>> 
>>> The Page Down key only has a visual effect, so it’s actually useless for us.
>>> 
>>> The VO-Page Down command works for me in both Pages and TextEdit, but not 
>>> in Preview.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:20, Alex Hall > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I'm not normally in need of a way to move by page, but I find myself 
 suddenly trying to figure it out now. VO's help reports that the command 
 is vo-pageDown, but that doesn't seem to do anything. I'm also wondering 
 if there's a macOS way, much like vo-right moves by word but you should 
 use option-right instead. I'm aware of how to make the page up/down keys 
 on the Mac, I just don't know what to pair them with to get them to 
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[Anne Robertson]

Hello Donna,

The Page Down command is VO-Page Down, on a laptop, this is VO-FN-Down Arrow. 
Not difficult at all.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 25 Aug 2016, at 15:44, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Can someone refresh my memory about the VO page-Down command?  All I remember 
> is that it is some impossible command that requires 27 fingers.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:22 AM, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Alex,
>> 
>> In TextEdit, you need to adjust the window to the page for VO-Page Down to 
>> work. The command to change this is Cmd-Shift-w.
>> 
>> In Pages and in TextEdit, you have to be interacting with the text area for 
>> the Page Down command to work.
>> 
>> The Page Down key only has a visual effect, so it’s actually useless for us.
>> 
>> The VO-Page Down command works for me in both Pages and TextEdit, but not in 
>> Preview.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:20, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm not normally in need of a way to move by page, but I find myself 
>>> suddenly trying to figure it out now. VO's help reports that the command is 
>>> vo-pageDown, but that doesn't seem to do anything. I'm also wondering if 
>>> there's a macOS way, much like vo-right moves by word but you should use 
>>> option-right instead. I'm aware of how to make the page up/down keys on the 
>>> Mac, I just don't know what to pair them with to get them to actually move 
>>> the cursor by page. Thanks in advance.
>>> 
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Re: Moving by page in Text Edit/Pages/etc?

[Donna Goodin]

Can someone refresh my memory about the VO page-Down command?  All I remember 
is that it is some impossible command that requires 27 fingers.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:22 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Alex,
> 
> In TextEdit, you need to adjust the window to the page for VO-Page Down to 
> work. The command to change this is Cmd-Shift-w.
> 
> In Pages and in TextEdit, you have to be interacting with the text area for 
> the Page Down command to work.
> 
> The Page Down key only has a visual effect, so it’s actually useless for us.
> 
> The VO-Page Down command works for me in both Pages and TextEdit, but not in 
> Preview.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:20, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm not normally in need of a way to move by page, but I find myself 
>> suddenly trying to figure it out now. VO's help reports that the command is 
>> vo-pageDown, but that doesn't seem to do anything. I'm also wondering if 
>> there's a macOS way, much like vo-right moves by word but you should use 
>> option-right instead. I'm aware of how to make the page up/down keys on the 
>> Mac, I just don't know what to pair them with to get them to actually move 
>> the cursor by page. Thanks in advance.
>> 
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Re: Moving by page in Text Edit/Pages/etc?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Alex,

In TextEdit, you need to adjust the window to the page for VO-Page Down to 
work. The command to change this is Cmd-Shift-w.

In Pages and in TextEdit, you have to be interacting with the text area for the 
Page Down command to work.

The Page Down key only has a visual effect, so it’s actually useless for us.

The VO-Page Down command works for me in both Pages and TextEdit, but not in 
Preview.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:20, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I'm not normally in need of a way to move by page, but I find myself suddenly 
> trying to figure it out now. VO's help reports that the command is 
> vo-pageDown, but that doesn't seem to do anything. I'm also wondering if 
> there's a macOS way, much like vo-right moves by word but you should use 
> option-right instead. I'm aware of how to make the page up/down keys on the 
> Mac, I just don't know what to pair them with to get them to actually move 
> the cursor by page. Thanks in advance.
> 
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Moving by page in Text Edit/Pages/etc?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I'm not normally in need of a way to move by page, but I find myself suddenly 
trying to figure it out now. VO's help reports that the command is vo-pageDown, 
but that doesn't seem to do anything. I'm also wondering if there's a macOS 
way, much like vo-right moves by word but you should use option-right instead. 
I'm aware of how to make the page up/down keys on the Mac, I just don't know 
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Re: Is there a way to insert a bulleted list in Text Edit?

[Donna Goodin]

Oh, do I feel like an idiot!  :)  thanks John.
Cheers,
Donna
> On May 11, 2016, at 1:54 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>   Yes. There is a list style menu when you stop interacting with the scroll 
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> you want from it.
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>> Hi all,
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>> Question says it all.  I know you can insert a bullet with Option-8, but is 
>> there some way to start an automatic bulleted list?
>> TIA,
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Re: Is there a way to insert a bulleted list in Text Edit?

[John Panarese]

  Yes. There is a list style menu when you stop interacting with the scroll 
area. Directly to the left is, List Style. You can choose whatever list style 
you want from it.


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> On May 11, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> Question says it all.  I know you can insert a bullet with Option-8, but is 
> there some way to start an automatic bulleted list?
> TIA,
> Donna 
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