Re: my impressions of El Capitan

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Finder has never remembered my viewing preferences for as long as I can 
remember now.  I gave up long ago to get them right, and now simply set it up 
one time for all the common folders I visit and hope for the best.  If I land 
in a view I don’t like, I press Command-3 and I’m back in column view, usually 
with the sidebar still showing.

As for System Integrity Protection, it probably won’t hurt you as long as 
you’re apps (and you) are well-behaved and don’t do anything untoward.  In 
fact, in many respects, it would be a wonderful thing for the user, because it 
would stop apps from doing inappropriate things to your system files (but not 
necessarily malware).  On the other hand, developers and sysadmins often find 
they need to turn it off, because the restrictions just don’t make sense on a 
system that is already well-managed and not liable to be at risk, and where 
tools in use need to command complete control over the filesystem.  I’d really 
much prefer to get security that’s under my control and that was actually 
verifiable instead of being merely delegated to Apple, but I expect that’s 
simply a point of principle to most ordinary users, and since the common Mac 
apps have been fixed or are known to work with SIP turned on (TRIM enabling, 
backup/cloning apps, and so on), it probably doesn’t matter all that much 
anyway.

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Re: my impressions of El Capitan

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
This new setting you’re talking about, where can this be found?
I want to try them out as i begin to be tired of interacting evry time.
/A
> On 16 Dec 2015, at 20:13, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone, thanks for the kind words about the upgrade pod cast, glad you 
> enjoyed it.
> el Capitan works well, the only bug I've found is, in finder windows such as 
> the hard drive or your home folder, if you hide the tool bar, that setting 
> does not stick, at least not when using list view. I've tried the new way of 
> not interacting with items such as tool bars, but, honestly I prefer the 
> previous way of handling this. When using the new settings, you have to 
> navigate over every item in a tool bar to get past it, with the standard 
> setting, you can simply skip what you're not interested in. I wasn't sure if 
> system integrity protection would cause any problems, but so far it hasn't 
> been an issue.
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Re: my impressions of El Capitan

[Mike Arrigo]

The operating system will only install on a journaled drive. You could 
disable journaling and things might be a bit faster, but that's up to you.

Original message:
Funny you should mention that Mike. I just got my Mac back from the 
shop and they formated the drive to Journaled rather than Mac OS 
extended Journaled. Should I be concerned about this? Am I necessarily 
loosing anything by this? and, one final point, if I wanted to 
reformast to extended Journaled, I'd have to do a clean install after 
reformatting and wiping the drive?




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On Dec 16, 2015, at 3:57 PM, Mike Arrigo > wrote:


If you selected the drive itself, which is what I did, you need to 
choose guid partition, and the format should be mac OS extended 
journaled. It provides a place to type in a name for your volume, if 
you don't type anything, it will call it untitled. I've done this 
process with all 3 of my macs and have not had any of the issues you describe.

Original message:




Hi Mike.




After listening to your podcast, I decided to do a clean install of el 
capitan and I find that things run much better. I have how ever one 
question, When doing the reformat, I selected the main drive not the 
macintosh HD partition that was already and select ed. Should I have 
done so? I found a couple of problems after doing this. First, I did 
not see my macintosh HD after reformatting and had to reboot back to my 
Bootable Installer. In doing so, I was then able to see the macintosh, 
but for some reason I had only 260 GB on my drive and had to resize the 
drive to get more space. Any how, I also found that though I was 
connected to the network, After signing in to my apple id I keep seeing 
the message, item temporally unavailable. The only work around was to 
boot to the internet recovery and install ml then upgrade to el capitan 
from there. Is there anything I can do to avoid this message in the 
future? Thanks.





Matthew




On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Mike Arrigo > wrote:




Hey everyone, thanks for the kind words about the upgrade pod cast, 
glad you enjoyed it.
el Capitan works well, the only bug I've found is, in finder windows 
such as the hard drive or your home folder, if you hide the tool bar, 
that setting does not stick, at least not when using list view. I've 
tried the new way of not interacting with items such as tool bars, but, 
honestly I prefer the previous way of handling this. When using the new 
settings, you have to navigate over every item in a tool bar to get 
past it, with the standard setting, you can simply skip what you're not 
interested in. I wasn't sure if system integrity protection would cause 
any problems, but so far it hasn't been an issue.





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Re: my impressions of El Capitan

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, Mike.  I just upgraded, so I guess I'm about to find out whether I like 
the new way or not. :)  thanks for the explanation.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 16, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Voiceover provides an option when for example, you move over a toolbar, you 
> don't have to interact with it, all of the items will be presented, you then 
> simply move to the next thing on the screen.
> Original message:
>> Sorry if this has been covered before, but what is the "new way?"  I'm still 
>> on Yosemite as well.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>>> I am still on Yosemite. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this new way of 
>>> interaction simply a choice? If so, that would seem to be the best of all 
>>> worlds, since people who like it can have it, and those who can't don't 
>>> have to. I can certainly see times when it would be better to do the new 
>>> way. And for people coming to the Mac, having to do all that interaction is 
>>> kind of a pain in the whatever.
>>> Mary
> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
 On Dec 16, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Brian Howerton  wrote:
> 
 Yeah, I am definitely a fan of the standard way of voiceover interaction.  
 Trying the new ways seems weird to me after being used to the standard way 
 for so long.
 Brian
> On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone, thanks for the kind words about the upgrade pod cast, glad 
> you enjoyed it.
> el Capitan works well, the only bug I've found is, in finder windows such 
> as the hard drive or your home folder, if you hide the tool bar, that 
> setting does not stick, at least not when using list view. I've tried the 
> new way of not interacting with items such as tool bars, but, honestly I 
> prefer the previous way of handling this. When using the new settings, 
> you have to navigate over every item in a tool bar to get past it, with 
> the standard setting, you can simply skip what you're not interested in. 
> I wasn't sure if system integrity protection would cause any problems, 
> but so far it hasn't been an issue.
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Re: my impressions of El Capitan

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Funny you should mention that Mike.  I just got my Mac back from the shop and 
they formated the drive to Journaled rather than Mac OS extended Journaled.  
Should I be concerned about this?  Am I necessarily loosing anything by this?  
and, one final point, if I wanted to reformast to extended Journaled, I'd have 
to do a clean install after reformatting and wiping the drive?


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> On Dec 16, 2015, at 3:57 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> If you selected the drive itself, which is what I did, you need to choose 
> guid partition, and the format should be mac OS extended journaled. It 
> provides a place to type in a name for your volume, if you don't type 
> anything, it will call it untitled. I've done this process with all 3 of my 
> macs and have not had any of the issues you describe.
> Original message:
>> Hi Mike.
> 
>> After listening to your podcast, I decided to do a clean install of el 
>> capitan and I find that things run much better.  I have how ever one 
>> question, When doing the reformat, I selected the main drive not the 
>> macintosh HD partition that was already and select ed.  Should I have done 
>> so?  I found a couple of problems  after doing this.  First, I did not see 
>> my macintosh HD after reformatting and had to reboot back to my Bootable 
>> Installer.  In doing so, I was then able to see the macintosh, but for some 
>> reason I had only 260 GB on my drive and had to resize the drive to get more 
>> space.  Any how, I also found that though I was connected to the network, 
>> After signing in to my apple id I keep seeing the message, item temporally 
>> unavailable.  The only work around was to boot to the internet recovery  and 
>> install ml then upgrade to el capitan from there.  Is there anything I can 
>> do to avoid this message in the future?  Thanks.
> 
>> Matthew
> 
> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>>> Hey everyone, thanks for the kind words about the upgrade pod cast, glad 
>>> you enjoyed it.
>>> el Capitan works well, the only bug I've found is, in finder windows such 
>>> as the hard drive or your home folder, if you hide the tool bar, that 
>>> setting does not stick, at least not when using list view. I've tried the 
>>> new way of not interacting with items such as tool bars, but, honestly I 
>>> prefer the previous way of handling this. When using the new settings, you 
>>> have to navigate over every item in a tool bar to get past it, with the 
>>> standard setting, you can simply skip what you're not interested in. I 
>>> wasn't sure if system integrity protection would cause any problems, but so 
>>> far it hasn't been an issue.
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Re: my impressions of El Capitan

[Mike Arrigo]

If you selected the drive itself, which is what I did, you need to 
choose guid partition, and the format should be mac OS extended 
journaled. It provides a place to type in a name for your volume, if 
you don't type anything, it will call it untitled. I've done this 
process with all 3 of my macs and have not had any of the issues you describe.

Original message:

Hi Mike.


After listening to your podcast, I decided to do a clean install of el 
capitan and I find that things run much better.  I have how ever one 
question, When doing the reformat, I selected the main drive not the 
macintosh HD partition that was already and select ed.  Should I have 
done so?  I found a couple of problems  after doing this.  First, I did 
not see my macintosh HD after reformatting and had to reboot back to my 
Bootable Installer.  In doing so, I was then able to see the macintosh, 
but for some reason I had only 260 GB on my drive and had to resize the 
drive to get more space.  Any how, I also found that though I was 
connected to the network, After signing in to my apple id I keep seeing 
the message, item temporally unavailable.  The only work around was to 
boot to the internet recovery  and install ml then upgrade to el 
capitan from there.  Is there anything I can do to avoid this message 
in the future?  Thanks.



Matthew




On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


Hey everyone, thanks for the kind words about the upgrade pod cast, 
glad you enjoyed it.
el Capitan works well, the only bug I've found is, in finder windows 
such as the hard drive or your home folder, if you hide the tool bar, 
that setting does not stick, at least not when using list view. I've 
tried the new way of not interacting with items such as tool bars, but, 
honestly I prefer the previous way of handling this. When using the new 
settings, you have to navigate over every item in a tool bar to get 
past it, with the standard setting, you can simply skip what you're not 
interested in. I wasn't sure if system integrity protection would cause 
any problems, but so far it hasn't been an issue.



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Re: my impressions of El Capitan

[Mike Arrigo]

Voiceover provides an option when for example, you move over a toolbar, 
you don't have to interact with it, all of the items will be presented, 
you then simply move to the next thing on the screen.

Original message:
Sorry if this has been covered before, but what is the "new way?"  I'm 
still on Yosemite as well.

Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 16, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:


I am still on Yosemite. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this new way 
of interaction simply a choice? If so, that would seem to be the best 
of all worlds, since people who like it can have it, and those who 
can't don't have to. I can certainly see times when it would be better 
to do the new way. And for people coming to the Mac, having to do all 
that interaction is kind of a pain in the whatever.

Mary



Sent from my iPhone



On Dec 16, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Brian Howerton  wrote:


Yeah, I am definitely a fan of the standard way of voiceover 
interaction.  Trying the new ways seems weird to me after being used to 
the standard way for so long.

Brian

On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


Hey everyone, thanks for the kind words about the upgrade pod cast, 
glad you enjoyed it.
el Capitan works well, the only bug I've found is, in finder windows 
such as the hard drive or your home folder, if you hide the tool bar, 
that setting does not stick, at least not when using list view. I've 
tried the new way of not interacting with items such as tool bars, but, 
honestly I prefer the previous way of handling this. When using the new 
settings, you have to navigate over every item in a tool bar to get 
past it, with the standard setting, you can simply skip what you're not 
interested in. I wasn't sure if system integrity protection would cause 
any problems, but so far it hasn't been an issue.



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Re: my impressions of El Capitan

[Mike Arrigo]

It's a choice, yes.
Original message:
I am still on Yosemite. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this new way 
of interaction simply a choice? If so, that would seem to be the best 
of all worlds, since people who like it can have it, and those who 
can't don't have to. I can certainly see times when it would be better 
to do the new way. And for people coming to the Mac, having to do all 
that interaction is kind of a pain in the whatever.

Mary



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On Dec 16, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Brian Howerton  wrote:


Yeah, I am definitely a fan of the standard way of voiceover 
interaction.  Trying the new ways seems weird to me after being used to 
the standard way for so long.

Brian

On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


Hey everyone, thanks for the kind words about the upgrade pod cast, 
glad you enjoyed it.
el Capitan works well, the only bug I've found is, in finder windows 
such as the hard drive or your home folder, if you hide the tool bar, 
that setting does not stick, at least not when using list view. I've 
tried the new way of not interacting with items such as tool bars, but, 
honestly I prefer the previous way of handling this. When using the new 
settings, you have to navigate over every item in a tool bar to get 
past it, with the standard setting, you can simply skip what you're not 
interested in. I wasn't sure if system integrity protection would cause 
any problems, but so far it hasn't been an issue.



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Re: my impressions of El Capitan

[matthew dyer]

Hi Mike.

After listening to your podcast, I decided to do a clean install of el capitan 
and I find that things run much better.  I have how ever one question, When 
doing the reformat, I selected the main drive not the macintosh HD partition 
that was already and select ed.  Should I have done so?  I found a couple of 
problems  after doing this.  First, I did not see my macintosh HD after 
reformatting and had to reboot back to my Bootable Installer.  In doing so, I 
was then able to see the macintosh, but for some reason I had only 260 GB on my 
drive and had to resize the drive to get more space.  Any how, I also found 
that though I was connected to the network, After signing in to my apple id I 
keep seeing the message, item temporally unavailable.  The only work around was 
to boot to the internet recovery  and install ml then upgrade to el capitan 
from there.  Is there anything I can do to avoid this message in the future?  
Thanks.

Matthew


> On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone, thanks for the kind words about the upgrade pod cast, glad you 
> enjoyed it.
> el Capitan works well, the only bug I've found is, in finder windows such as 
> the hard drive or your home folder, if you hide the tool bar, that setting 
> does not stick, at least not when using list view. I've tried the new way of 
> not interacting with items such as tool bars, but, honestly I prefer the 
> previous way of handling this. When using the new settings, you have to 
> navigate over every item in a tool bar to get past it, with the standard 
> setting, you can simply skip what you're not interested in. I wasn't sure if 
> system integrity protection would cause any problems, but so far it hasn't 
> been an issue.
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Re: my impressions of El Capitan

[Donna Goodin]

Sorry if this has been covered before, but what is the "new way?"  I'm still on 
Yosemite as well.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 16, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I am still on Yosemite. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this new way of 
> interaction simply a choice? If so, that would seem to be the best of all 
> worlds, since people who like it can have it, and those who can't don't have 
> to. I can certainly see times when it would be better to do the new way. And 
> for people coming to the Mac, having to do all that interaction is kind of a 
> pain in the whatever.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Brian Howerton  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, I am definitely a fan of the standard way of voiceover interaction.  
>> Trying the new ways seems weird to me after being used to the standard way 
>> for so long.
>> Brian
>>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey everyone, thanks for the kind words about the upgrade pod cast, glad 
>>> you enjoyed it.
>>> el Capitan works well, the only bug I've found is, in finder windows such 
>>> as the hard drive or your home folder, if you hide the tool bar, that 
>>> setting does not stick, at least not when using list view. I've tried the 
>>> new way of not interacting with items such as tool bars, but, honestly I 
>>> prefer the previous way of handling this. When using the new settings, you 
>>> have to navigate over every item in a tool bar to get past it, with the 
>>> standard setting, you can simply skip what you're not interested in. I 
>>> wasn't sure if system integrity protection would cause any problems, but so 
>>> far it hasn't been an issue.
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Re: my impressions of El Capitan

[Robin]

HeyMike,

Have you EVER recorded a PodCast in which you demonstrated VO 
(VoiceOver) with Apple's iWorksSuite (Pages,Numbers,& 
KeyNote,etc.)??? JustWondering


And, if not, would you be interested in doing so? I presume since 
they are FREE with the purchase of an iDevice and/or Mac, that would 
benefit some of "us" TotallyBlind & LowVision users of AppleComputers


Thanx 4 YourPodcasts, they are GreatlyAppreciated! I'll Listen to 
YourLatest1 when I get the opportunity to do so.

At 11:13 AM 12/16/2015, you wrote:
Hey everyone, thanks for the kind words about the upgrade pod cast, 
glad you enjoyed it.
el Capitan works well, the only bug I've found is, in finder windows 
such as the hard drive or your home folder, if you hide the tool 
bar, that setting does not stick, at least not when using list view. 
I've tried the new way of not interacting with items such as tool 
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tool bar to get past it, with the standard setting, you can simply 
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integrity protection would cause any problems, but so far it hasn't 
been an issue.


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Re: my impressions of El Capitan

[Brian Howerton]

Definitely is a choice.
Brian
> On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I am still on Yosemite. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this new way of 
> interaction simply a choice? If so, that would seem to be the best of all 
> worlds, since people who like it can have it, and those who can't don't have 
> to. I can certainly see times when it would be better to do the new way. And 
> for people coming to the Mac, having to do all that interaction is kind of a 
> pain in the whatever.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Brian Howerton  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, I am definitely a fan of the standard way of voiceover interaction.  
>> Trying the new ways seems weird to me after being used to the standard way 
>> for so long.
>> Brian
>>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey everyone, thanks for the kind words about the upgrade pod cast, glad 
>>> you enjoyed it.
>>> el Capitan works well, the only bug I've found is, in finder windows such 
>>> as the hard drive or your home folder, if you hide the tool bar, that 
>>> setting does not stick, at least not when using list view. I've tried the 
>>> new way of not interacting with items such as tool bars, but, honestly I 
>>> prefer the previous way of handling this. When using the new settings, you 
>>> have to navigate over every item in a tool bar to get past it, with the 
>>> standard setting, you can simply skip what you're not interested in. I 
>>> wasn't sure if system integrity protection would cause any problems, but so 
>>> far it hasn't been an issue.
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Re: my impressions of El Capitan

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I am still on Yosemite. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this new way of 
interaction simply a choice? If so, that would seem to be the best of all 
worlds, since people who like it can have it, and those who can't don't have 
to. I can certainly see times when it would be better to do the new way. And 
for people coming to the Mac, having to do all that interaction is kind of a 
pain in the whatever.
Mary

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> On Dec 16, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Brian Howerton  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I am definitely a fan of the standard way of voiceover interaction.  
> Trying the new ways seems weird to me after being used to the standard way 
> for so long.
> Brian
>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey everyone, thanks for the kind words about the upgrade pod cast, glad you 
>> enjoyed it.
>> el Capitan works well, the only bug I've found is, in finder windows such as 
>> the hard drive or your home folder, if you hide the tool bar, that setting 
>> does not stick, at least not when using list view. I've tried the new way of 
>> not interacting with items such as tool bars, but, honestly I prefer the 
>> previous way of handling this. When using the new settings, you have to 
>> navigate over every item in a tool bar to get past it, with the standard 
>> setting, you can simply skip what you're not interested in. I wasn't sure if 
>> system integrity protection would cause any problems, but so far it hasn't 
>> been an issue.
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Re: my impressions of El Capitan

[Brian Howerton]

Yeah, I am definitely a fan of the standard way of voiceover interaction.  
Trying the new ways seems weird to me after being used to the standard way for 
so long.
Brian
> On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone, thanks for the kind words about the upgrade pod cast, glad you 
> enjoyed it.
> el Capitan works well, the only bug I've found is, in finder windows such as 
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> does not stick, at least not when using list view. I've tried the new way of 
> not interacting with items such as tool bars, but, honestly I prefer the 
> previous way of handling this. When using the new settings, you have to 
> navigate over every item in a tool bar to get past it, with the standard 
> setting, you can simply skip what you're not interested in. I wasn't sure if 
> system integrity protection would cause any problems, but so far it hasn't 
> been an issue.
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my impressions of El Capitan

[Mike Arrigo]

Hey everyone, thanks for the kind words about the upgrade pod cast, 
glad you enjoyed it.
el Capitan works well, the only bug I've found is, in finder windows 
such as the hard drive or your home folder, if you hide the tool bar, 
that setting does not stick, at least not when using list view. I've 
tried the new way of not interacting with items such as tool bars, but, 
honestly I prefer the previous way of handling this. When using the new 
settings, you have to navigate over every item in a tool bar to get 
past it, with the standard setting, you can simply skip what you're not 
interested in. I wasn't sure if system integrity protection would cause 
any problems, but so far it hasn't been an issue.


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