RE: new member and new to the Mac

[Ian Robinson]

Hi Jess,

I'm also new to the list, though I don't have a Mac yet.  I'm planning on 
getting myself a MacBook Air for Christmas.  In the meantime, I'm already 
getting useful info from the discussions on this list.

Hope your Mac experience goes well 

Ian





-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Jessica Barr
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2023 2:05 AM
To: MacVisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: new member and new to the Mac

Hello. My name is Jessica (or Jess). I recently got a MacBook Air, which is my 
first Mac. For quite a while I relied on just my iPhone or my braille notetaker 
to do things, but I decided it would be good to have a Mac as well. I'm looking 
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RE: Re: new member and new to the Mac

[Jessica Barr]

Thanks to all for the warm welcome. I do think I'm going to like my Mac, 
although I have been frustrated at times. One thing I didn't know which would 
have saved me some aggravation is that I would have to change a setting to make 
the function keys behave normally. Yes, I really like that VoiceOver is already 
built in, and I prefer more natural-sounding voices than what JAWS has.

- Original Message -
From: Cara Quinn 
Date: Friday, September 22, 2023 09:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Subject: Re: new member and new to the Mac

Hi Jess!
Welcome and congratulations on your new Mac!
I also am a big fan of MacBook Airs. I really like them a lot.
There are a lot of friendly and highly intelligent folks on this list so I hope 
you find what you need and enjoy the list!
Glad to have you with us and have a terrific day!
Cheers!
Cara

> On Sep 21, 2023, at 7:04 PM, Jessica Barr  wrote:
> 
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> my first Mac. For quite a while I relied on just my iPhone or my braille 
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> I'm looking forward to learning from the people on this list.
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Re: new member and new to the Mac

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Jess!

Welcome and congratulations on your new Mac!

I also am a big fan of MacBook Airs. I really like them a lot.

There are a lot of friendly and highly intelligent folks on this list so I hope 
you find what you need and enjoy the list!

Glad to have you with us and have a terrific day!

Cheers!

Cara


> On Sep 21, 2023, at 7:04 PM, Jessica Barr  wrote:
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> my first Mac. For quite a while I relied on just my iPhone or my braille 
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> I'm looking forward to learning from the people on this list.
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Re: new member and new to the Mac

['Dan Eickmeier' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jess, welcome to the list, and  to the Mac 
as well.The MacBook Air is definitely a good machine.  I’ve been using Macs 
here since 2008,  and  don’t think I'd ever switch back over to Windows.  I 
like that with a Mac, I can pay the same price anybody else would, without 
having to pay for something like JAWS, on top of the cost of a windows machine. 
 
Dan Eickmeier. Beamsville, Ontario Canada.  Amateur radio callsign: VA3ETS
Twitter: http://twitter.com/va3ets Mastodon: va3ets@mstdn.social

> On Sep 21, 2023, at 9:04 PM, Jessica Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hello. My name is Jessica (or Jess). I recently got a MacBook Air, which is 
> my first Mac. For quite a while I relied on just my iPhone or my braille 
> notetaker to do things, but I decided it would be good to have a Mac as well. 
> I'm looking forward to learning from the people on this list.
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Re: new member and new to the Mac

[joseph hudson]

Hi Jessica, I have a MacBook Air as well. And welcome. I hope that we can all 
help you here.
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> On Sep 21, 2023, at 8:04 PM, Jessica Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hello. My name is Jessica (or Jess). I recently got a MacBook Air, which is 
> my first Mac. For quite a while I relied on just my iPhone or my braille 
> notetaker to do things, but I decided it would be good to have a Mac as well. 
> I'm looking forward to learning from the people on this list.
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new member and new to the Mac

[Jessica Barr]

Hello. My name is Jessica (or Jess). I recently got a MacBook Air, which is my 
first Mac. For quite a while I relied on just my iPhone or my braille notetaker 
to do things, but I decided it would be good to have a Mac as well. I'm looking 
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RE: New member start up glitches

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Eric,

Not sure what your getting but your message has come through good as gold.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Eric Caron
Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2020 4:02 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: New member start up glitches

Hi folks,

Not sure this message will get through. 

I sent a earlier list message and did receive some replies. But then no more 
list messages after that. 

I’m sure the list is more active then no messages for 6 or more hours so I’m 
sending this again to see if the pipe line will work.

I didn’t see my own message and In the past I did. 
A couple messages did end up in my junk mail, but nothing new for many hours.

I just turned off my rule to move the messages to a special mail box so hoping 
that might help.

I’m looking forward to communication again.

Eric Caron 

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Re: New member start up glitches

[Dave Carlson]

You’re coming through loud and almost clear. Post your questions and you should 
see responses. This is a list with sporadic traffic.


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New member start up glitches

[Eric Caron]

Hi folks,

Not sure this message will get through. 

I sent a earlier list message and did receive some replies. But then no more 
list messages after that. 

I’m sure the list is more active then no messages for 6 or more hours so I’m 
sending this again to see if the pipe line will work.

I didn’t see my own message and In the past I did. 
A couple messages did end up in my junk mail, but nothing new for many hours.

I just turned off my rule to move the messages to a special mail box so hoping 
that might help.

I’m looking forward to communication again.

Eric Caron 

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RE: new member test only

[M. Taylor]

Hello Ian,

Your post came through to the list.

Mark

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Subject: new member test only

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Re: Latest new member

[Gerry Cook]

welcome Hannah and hope you enjoy this list and knowledge  that you’ll get from 
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> On 25 Sep. 2016, at 5:27 pm, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone.
> 
> I would like to thank the guys on this list for approving the latest new 
> member. Her name is Hannah Day, and she is actually my girlfriend as of 
> Friday 29 July 2016. We have been friends for nearly eleven years. Anyway, 
> before this gets too chatty, it was me who recommended this list to her as a 
> potential mac user. As she pointed out, she is really excited and is pleased 
> that Mail will work for her. She has been a Windows user for the longest 
> time, but after not being happy with her current laptop running Windows 10, 
> she wishes to move on and complete her arsenal of Apple devices with a mac. 
> I’m sure you know which mac I’m getting her for Christmas, but if not please 
> give us a shout. She also wants a mac thanks to Siri now being available as 
> of macOS Sierra.
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> been answered before, and I hope you enjoy this list.
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Latest new member

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello everyone.

I would like to thank the guys on this list for approving the latest new 
member. Her name is Hannah Day, and she is actually my girlfriend as of Friday 
29 July 2016. We have been friends for nearly eleven years. Anyway, before this 
gets too chatty, it was me who recommended this list to her as a potential mac 
user. As she pointed out, she is really excited and is pleased that Mail will 
work for her. She has been a Windows user for the longest time, but after not 
being happy with her current laptop running Windows 10, she wishes to move on 
and complete her arsenal of Apple devices with a mac. I’m sure you know which 
mac I’m getting her for Christmas, but if not please give us a shout. She also 
wants a mac thanks to Siri now being available as of macOS Sierra.

Hannah, I encourage you to post as many questions as possible, even if it has 
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Re: New member and a question

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi John,

• In your music Library, sort the music by Date Added.  If Date Added is not a 
column for you, you can add it from the View Options for the Music table.

• Once sorted, the newest imported items will either be at the top or bottom of 
the list depending on if they were sorted ascending or descending.

• select them all with shift and the arrow keys.

• Once selected, press cmd-shift-n for New Playlist from Selection, or use the 
File menu under New.

• Name your playlist.

• Then, go under the File menu and choose Burn Playlist to disk.

That should do it.

Later...


• 
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On May 14, 2016, at 13:31, John's Gmail  wrote:

I just joined this list. I have been using a Mac book Pro now for two or three 
years. I very much enjoy using the Mac but I do have a couple questions.

I will only bother you with one question at a time. If I want to copy An audio 
cd I believe I must first import that CD into iTunes. If there is another way 
to do it I would very much like to know it. After this CD is imported how can I 
find the 20 songs that are on this CD? I believe I have to put those songs in a 
playlist. After I find those songs how do I get them into a playlist? After I 
get them into a playlist what is the next step toward burning it on a new CD?



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New member and a question

[John's Gmail]

I just joined this list. I have been using a Mac book Pro now for two or three 
years. I very much enjoy using the Mac but I do have a couple questions.

I will only bother you with one question at a time. If I want to copy An audio 
cd I believe I must first import that CD into iTunes. If there is another way 
to do it I would very much like to know it. After this CD is imported how can I 
find the 20 songs that are on this CD? I believe I have to put those songs in a 
playlist. After I find those songs how do I get them into a playlist? After I 
get them into a playlist what is the next step toward burning it on a new CD?



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Re: new member

[Brian Howerton]

Hey man,
I will definitely try to give you a call today.  I got your new work number 
from the PT access list, so I will save it.  By the way, random question, but I 
am going to be upgrading to pro tools 11 today, and I was wondering, do you 
happen to know the price of the upgrade?  I am having a hard time finding it on 
sweet water’s website.
Brian
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 Brian,
 
 Welcome!
 
 So glad you found the list.  Hope you're doing well.
 
 Give me a call some time!  Let's catch up.
 
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 - Original Message - From: Brian Howerton bshowert...@gmail.com
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 Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:47 AM
 Subject: new member
 
 
 Hello all,
 I am a new member to this list, and I am looking forward to learning from 
 each one on the list, and hopefully contributing my self.  I have had my mac 
 for a couple of years now, but recently, I have decided to switch exclusively 
 to using a mac.  I absolutely love the OS, and that it just works.  It is 
 such a clean operating system in my opinion.  Anyway, just wanted to 
 introduce myself and say hello.  Thanks,
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Re: new member

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

No, I unfortunately don't.  I'd give Matthew Fuller, my sales rep a call, 
and I'm sure he could tell you.


1-800-222-4700X1284

Tell him that you do not want to do an upgrade, but would rather do a 
crossgrade.  If you do it that way, then it'll be cheaper, and plus, you'll 
be able to use PT 10, and! PT 11 both, and even on the same machine, to the 
best of my knowledge.


You will have to get Bonnie to help you, as you'll get a new asset for your 
ILok which will replace your current one.  This new asset will give you 
access to V10, and to V11.


Also, on another note, I am not at liberty on list to go into this in any 
detail, but when we speak today via phone, I may have something non-music 
related that I'd like to talk to you about which may potentially as a 1 time 
ordeal make you several hundred bucks.


But, we'll talk more about that when you call.

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Subject: Re: new member


Hey man,
I will definitely try to give you a call today.  I got your new work number 
from the PT access list, so I will save it.  By the way, random question, 
but I am going to be upgrading to pro tools 11 today, and I was wondering, 
do you happen to know the price of the upgrade?  I am having a hard time 
finding it on sweet water’s website.

Brian
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Brian,

Welcome!

So glad you found the list.  Hope you're doing well.

Give me a call some time!  Let's catch up.

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Hello all,
I am a new member to this list, and I am looking forward to learning from 
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mac for a couple of years now, but recently, I have decided to switch 
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wanted to introduce myself and say hello.  Thanks,

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Re: new member

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Brian,

Welcome!

So glad you found the list.  Hope you're doing well.

Give me a call some time!  Let's catch up.

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Hello all,
I am a new member to this list, and I am looking forward to learning from 
each one on the list, and hopefully contributing my self.  I have had my mac 
for a couple of years now, but recently, I have decided to switch 
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new member

[Brian Howerton]

Hello all,
I am a new member to this list, and I am looking forward to learning from each 
one on the list, and hopefully contributing my self.  I have had my mac for a 
couple of years now, but recently, I have decided to switch exclusively to 
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Re: new member

[Matthew Dierckens]

Hello Brian,
Welcome to the list.
I hope that you will find it useful.

God bless. :)
Matthew Dierckens
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Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com

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 Hello all,
 I am a new member to this list, and I am looking forward to learning from 
 each one on the list, and hopefully contributing my self.  I have had my mac 
 for a couple of years now, but recently, I have decided to switch exclusively 
 to using a mac.  I absolutely love the OS, and that it just works.  It is 
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Re: new member

[Shawn Krasniuk]

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new member

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hi group; what is the email for signing up to this group. I have a friend who 
is new to the iPad and apple and who is also losing more of her vision. i think 
she could really benefit from being part of this group but i don't remember the 
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Re: New Member Awaiting Approval

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

I do the admin work for the list. Generally every join request gets an 
email from me just asking a bit about how they found the list and such. 
It's a basic spam filter to make sure the person wanting to join is a 
real person. I wait up to 30 days and if I don't hear anything back I 
reject the request. You might be surprised how many requests get 
rejected in a month's time but the end result is we are pretty clear of 
spammers. As far as I can tell I only have three outstanding join 
requests and emails have been sent to all of them.


CB

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that I've never heard of. I suggested he join this list, and about an 
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Re: New Member Awaiting Approval

[Alex Hall]

Great, thanks. I've only talked to this guy on Twitter,so I don't know what 
email address he used, but his first name is Gavin. I just tad him to watch for 
your email.
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 I do the admin work for the list. Generally every join request gets an email 
 from me just asking a bit about how they found the list and such. It's a 
 basic spam filter to make sure the person wanting to join is a real person. I 
 wait up to 30 days and if I don't hear anything back I reject the request. 
 You might be surprised how many requests get rejected in a month's time but 
 the end result is we are pretty clear of spammers. As far as I can tell I 
 only have three outstanding join requests and emails have been sent to all of 
 them.
 
 CB
 
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New Member Awaiting Approval

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New Member Approval?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all, but mostly the mods:
A guy I know recently got his first Mac. He tried to join this list, and has 
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Re: New Member Approval?

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Sorry for the delay. For some reason Google never sent me a notice about 
his join request and of course it lists all the incoming requests as 
being on 12/31/1969 so I missed that one. Anyway, I sent him an email 
and should get him set up as soon as he responds. You would think Google 
could get basic stuff like that right.


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Re: New Member and a question

[Dean Adams]

Hi George,
Here is the instructions you wanted I found this in the mail archives 


Move vo to the mailbox in the favorites bar, then route the mouse 
there (vo-cmd-f5). Disable cursor tracking with vo-shift-f3, then lock 
the mouse down with vo-cmd-shift-space. Move vo to somewhere in the 
mail window that has nothing in it, like a splitter, and route the 
mouse again, then unlock the mouse button with another press of 
vo-cmd-shift-space. That should do it, but if it fails, close Mail and 
re-open it, then try again. Also, don't forget to turn cursor tracking 
back on with vo-shift-f3. 

 
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On 17 Nov 2013, at 4:39 pm, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote:

 Hello,
 My name is George, and I’ve just joined the group.
 I’ve been using the mac  since February this year.
 My Question is this.
 
 How do i add or remove mailboxes from the favorites bar in apple mail in 
 mavericks using voiceover  ?
 
 
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New Member and a question

[George Cham]

Hello,
My name is George, and I’ve just joined the group.
I’ve been using the mac  since February this year.
My Question is this.

How do i add or remove mailboxes from the favorites bar in apple mail in 
mavericks using voiceover  ?
 

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Re: new member and introduction

[CJ Daniel]

Kerri,

Hello  welcome.  Hope you enjoy the list  your new Mac.  Don't be afraid to 
ask questions.  Everyone here is very helpful.

Again, welcome,

CJ


On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:16 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:

 Hi, all. 
 
 I'm new here as well, in fact I'm a relatively new Mac user, having begun 
 using the mac steadily in September after having bought it in June. 
 I'm Kerri from British  Columbia Canada. 
 On 2013-01-11, at 6:44 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
 list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
 import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
 have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
 along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
 a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
 totally unuseable, in my opinion.
 
 On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan da...@familynoonan.net wrote:
 I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so thought I
 would say hi to the list.
 
 I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to learn
 it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in. The
 fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all honesty
 did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using OS10,
 Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
 headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos and
 then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work hard
 to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
 wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the Mac
 is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for quite a
 while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
 wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
 machine I use.
 
 I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as possible.
 The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I like
 to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge to
 help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
 favours.
 
 I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical side
 of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
 accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and using
 Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band in
 to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
 creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always greatly
 appreciated.
 
 Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
 
 Kind regards,
 Danny Noonan.
 
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Re: new member and introduction

[Kerri]

Hi, Cja nd thanks for the warm welcome to this list, it's an awesome one.
On 2013-01-12, at 10:38 AM, CJ Daniel cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Kerri,
 
 Hello  welcome.  Hope you enjoy the list  your new Mac.  Don't be afraid to 
 ask questions.  Everyone here is very helpful.
 
 Again, welcome,
 
 CJ
 
 
 On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:16 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
 Hi, all. 
 
 I'm new here as well, in fact I'm a relatively new Mac user, having begun 
 using the mac steadily in September after having bought it in June. 
 I'm Kerri from British  Columbia Canada. 
 On 2013-01-11, at 6:44 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
 list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
 import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
 have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
 along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
 a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
 totally unuseable, in my opinion.
 
 On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan da...@familynoonan.net wrote:
 I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so thought 
 I
 would say hi to the list.
 
 I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to learn
 it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in. The
 fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all 
 honesty
 did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using OS10,
 Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
 headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos and
 then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work hard
 to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
 wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the Mac
 is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for quite 
 a
 while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
 wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
 machine I use.
 
 I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as 
 possible.
 The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I like
 to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge to
 help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
 favours.
 
 I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical 
 side
 of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
 accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and using
 Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band in
 to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
 creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always greatly
 appreciated.
 
 Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
 
 Kind regards,
 Danny Noonan.
 
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new member and introduction

[Kerri]

Hi, all. 

I'm new here as well, in fact I'm a relatively new Mac user, having begun using 
the mac steadily in September after having bought it in June. 
I'm Kerri from British  Columbia Canada. 
On 2013-01-11, at 6:44 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
 list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
 import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
 have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
 along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
 a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
 totally unuseable, in my opinion.
 
 On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan da...@familynoonan.net wrote:
 I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so thought I
 would say hi to the list.
 
 I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to learn
 it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in. The
 fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all honesty
 did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using OS10,
 Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
 headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos and
 then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work hard
 to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
 wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the Mac
 is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for quite a
 while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
 wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
 machine I use.
 
 I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as possible.
 The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I like
 to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge to
 help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
 favours.
 
 I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical side
 of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
 accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and using
 Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band in
 to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
 creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always greatly
 appreciated.
 
 Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
 
 Kind regards,
 Danny Noonan.
 
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Re: new member and introduction

[Alex Hall]

Well, a warm welcome to you as well. :) I haven't seen you on here
much, so you must be getting along pretty well, or not using the Mac
very much. smile

On 1/11/13, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:
 Hi, all.

 I'm new here as well, in fact I'm a relatively new Mac user, having begun
 using the mac steadily in September after having bought it in June.
 I'm Kerri from British  Columbia Canada.
 On 2013-01-11, at 6:44 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
 list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
 import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
 have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
 along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
 a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
 totally unuseable, in my opinion.

 On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan da...@familynoonan.net wrote:
 I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so
 thought I
 would say hi to the list.

 I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to
 learn
 it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in.
 The
 fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all
 honesty
 did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using
 OS10,
 Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
 headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos
 and
 then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work
 hard
 to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
 wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the
 Mac
 is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for
 quite a
 while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
 wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
 machine I use.

 I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as
 possible.
 The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I
 like
 to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge
 to
 help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
 favours.

 I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical
 side
 of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
 accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and
 using
 Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band
 in
 to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
 creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always
 greatly
 appreciated.

 Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.

 Kind regards,
 Danny Noonan.

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Re: new member and introduction

[Kerri]

I only got in today, grin. As for being good at this Mac, people, if you only 
knew, I found the learning curve *very difficult as I used PC since 1989 when I 
was about 14 (it was dos of course) My first experience with Apple was with an 
Apple 2 E in 1985 or so. 
On 2013-01-11, at 8:19 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, a warm welcome to you as well. :) I haven't seen you on here
 much, so you must be getting along pretty well, or not using the Mac
 very much. smile
 
 On 1/11/13, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:
 Hi, all.
 
 I'm new here as well, in fact I'm a relatively new Mac user, having begun
 using the mac steadily in September after having bought it in June.
 I'm Kerri from British  Columbia Canada.
 On 2013-01-11, at 6:44 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
 list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
 import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
 have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
 along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
 a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
 totally unuseable, in my opinion.
 
 On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan da...@familynoonan.net wrote:
 I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so
 thought I
 would say hi to the list.
 
 I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to
 learn
 it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in.
 The
 fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all
 honesty
 did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using
 OS10,
 Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
 headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos
 and
 then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work
 hard
 to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
 wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the
 Mac
 is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for
 quite a
 while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
 wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
 machine I use.
 
 I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as
 possible.
 The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I
 like
 to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge
 to
 help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
 favours.
 
 I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical
 side
 of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
 accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and
 using
 Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band
 in
 to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
 creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always
 greatly
 appreciated.
 
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 Kind regards,
 Danny Noonan.
 
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Re: new member and introduction

[Ray Foret Jr]

Welcome Kerri,  Ray here.  Seems we're getting quite a lot of new faces here:  
and, so far as I am concerned, that's nothing but good.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Jan 11, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:

 Hi, all. 
 
 I'm new here as well, in fact I'm a relatively new Mac user, having begun 
 using the mac steadily in September after having bought it in June. 
 I'm Kerri from British  Columbia Canada. 
 On 2013-01-11, at 6:44 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
 list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
 import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
 have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
 along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
 a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
 totally unuseable, in my opinion.
 
 On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan da...@familynoonan.net wrote:
 I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so thought I
 would say hi to the list.
 
 I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to learn
 it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in. The
 fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all honesty
 did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using OS10,
 Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
 headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos and
 then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work hard
 to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
 wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the Mac
 is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for quite a
 while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
 wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
 machine I use.
 
 I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as possible.
 The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I like
 to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge to
 help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
 favours.
 
 I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical side
 of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
 accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and using
 Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band in
 to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
 creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always greatly
 appreciated.
 
 Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
 
 Kind regards,
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Re: new member and introduction

[Ray Foret Jr]

Funny you should bring up the Apple II E!  I have fond memories of that thing.  
In my seinior year in highschool-we're talking 1987-that's what I used.  Did 
you ever get your hands on an app called Braille Edit Express?  Now, that was 
one nice little app.  Sure wish they'd bring that one in to Voice Over.  
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Jan 11, 2013, at 10:28 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:

 I only got in today, grin. As for being good at this Mac, people, if you only 
 knew, I found the learning curve *very difficult as I used PC since 1989 when 
 I was about 14 (it was dos of course) My first experience with Apple was with 
 an Apple 2 E in 1985 or so. 
 On 2013-01-11, at 8:19 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well, a warm welcome to you as well. :) I haven't seen you on here
 much, so you must be getting along pretty well, or not using the Mac
 very much. smile
 
 On 1/11/13, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:
 Hi, all.
 
 I'm new here as well, in fact I'm a relatively new Mac user, having begun
 using the mac steadily in September after having bought it in June.
 I'm Kerri from British  Columbia Canada.
 On 2013-01-11, at 6:44 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
 list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
 import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
 have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
 along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
 a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
 totally unuseable, in my opinion.
 
 On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan da...@familynoonan.net wrote:
 I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so
 thought I
 would say hi to the list.
 
 I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to
 learn
 it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in.
 The
 fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all
 honesty
 did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using
 OS10,
 Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
 headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos
 and
 then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work
 hard
 to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
 wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the
 Mac
 is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for
 quite a
 while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
 wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
 machine I use.
 
 I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as
 possible.
 The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I
 like
 to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge
 to
 help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
 favours.
 
 I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical
 side
 of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
 accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and
 using
 Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band
 in
 to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
 creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always
 greatly
 appreciated.
 
 Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
 
 Kind regards,
 Danny Noonan.
 
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Re: new member and introduction

[Danny Noonan]

Except for the fact that I was 14 in 88, that exactly mirrors my experience to 
the letter. 

Danny. 

Sent from my phone

On 12/01/2013, at 3:28 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:

 I only got in today, grin. As for being good at this Mac, people, if you only 
 knew, I found the learning curve *very difficult as I used PC since 1989 when 
 I was about 14 (it was dos of course) My first experience with Apple was with 
 an Apple 2 E in 1985 or so. 
 On 2013-01-11, at 8:19 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well, a warm welcome to you as well. :) I haven't seen you on here
 much, so you must be getting along pretty well, or not using the Mac
 very much. smile
 
 On 1/11/13, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:
 Hi, all.
 
 I'm new here as well, in fact I'm a relatively new Mac user, having begun
 using the mac steadily in September after having bought it in June.
 I'm Kerri from British  Columbia Canada.
 On 2013-01-11, at 6:44 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
 list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
 import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
 have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
 along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
 a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
 totally unuseable, in my opinion.
 
 On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan da...@familynoonan.net wrote:
 I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so
 thought I
 would say hi to the list.
 
 I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to
 learn
 it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in.
 The
 fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all
 honesty
 did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using
 OS10,
 Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
 headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos
 and
 then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work
 hard
 to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
 wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the
 Mac
 is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for
 quite a
 while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
 wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
 machine I use.
 
 I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as
 possible.
 The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I
 like
 to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge
 to
 help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
 favours.
 
 I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical
 side
 of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
 accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and
 using
 Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band
 in
 to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
 creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always
 greatly
 appreciated.
 
 Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
 
 Kind regards,
 Danny Noonan.
 
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Re: new member and introduction

[Kerri]

small world. 

Sent from my iPhone.
On 2013-01-11, at 8:39 PM, Danny Noonan da...@familynoonan.net wrote:

 Except for the fact that I was 14 in 88, that exactly mirrors my experience 
 to the letter. 
 
 Danny. 
 
 Sent from my phone
 
 On 12/01/2013, at 3:28 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
 I only got in today, grin. As for being good at this Mac, people, if you 
 only knew, I found the learning curve *very difficult as I used PC since 
 1989 when I was about 14 (it was dos of course) My first experience with 
 Apple was with an Apple 2 E in 1985 or so. 
 On 2013-01-11, at 8:19 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well, a warm welcome to you as well. :) I haven't seen you on here
 much, so you must be getting along pretty well, or not using the Mac
 very much. smile
 
 On 1/11/13, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:
 Hi, all.
 
 I'm new here as well, in fact I'm a relatively new Mac user, having begun
 using the mac steadily in September after having bought it in June.
 I'm Kerri from British  Columbia Canada.
 On 2013-01-11, at 6:44 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
 list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
 import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
 have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
 along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
 a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
 totally unuseable, in my opinion.
 
 On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan da...@familynoonan.net wrote:
 I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so
 thought I
 would say hi to the list.
 
 I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to
 learn
 it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in.
 The
 fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all
 honesty
 did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using
 OS10,
 Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
 headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos
 and
 then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work
 hard
 to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
 wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the
 Mac
 is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for
 quite a
 while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
 wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
 machine I use.
 
 I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as
 possible.
 The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I
 like
 to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge
 to
 help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
 favours.
 
 I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical
 side
 of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
 accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and
 using
 Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band
 in
 to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
 creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always
 greatly
 appreciated.
 
 Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
 
 Kind regards,
 Danny Noonan.
 
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Re: new member and introduction

[Kerri]

thanks very much, Ray, it's good to be here.
On 2013-01-11, at 8:29 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote:

 Welcome Kerri,  Ray here.  Seems we're getting quite a lot of new faces here: 
  and, so far as I am concerned, that's nothing but good.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
 
 On Jan 11, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
 Hi, all. 
 
 I'm new here as well, in fact I'm a relatively new Mac user, having begun 
 using the mac steadily in September after having bought it in June. 
 I'm Kerri from British  Columbia Canada. 
 On 2013-01-11, at 6:44 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm glad to see you made it here (you know me from the blind-guitarist
 list). I use Audacity for music - export your Ampkit tracks, then
 import them into Audacity. I don't have the full Ampkit for Mac yet so
 have not tried this exact thing, but I have used Audacity and I get
 along with it well enough. I, too, have given up on Garageband; it is
 a perfect example of an app that manages to be accessible while being
 totally unuseable, in my opinion.
 
 On 1/11/13, Danny Noonan da...@familynoonan.net wrote:
 I started receiving list messages today so I guess I'm approved so thought 
 I
 would say hi to the list.
 
 I played with OS10 for a bit for a while but decided the only way to learn
 it properly was to get rid of windows all together and jump right in. The
 fact that my MBP kept corrupting windows boot camp partitions in all 
 honesty
 did help my decisionn. Regardless of how I got here, I've been using OS10,
 Lion and now Mountain lion for about a year or so and yes, I got literal
 headaches at first trying to unlearn the years upon  years of first dos and
 then windows muscle memory but now I'm getting to where I have to work hard
 to recall Windows commands and not the other way round. Add to this the
 wonderful vo to caps lock ability I recently took advantage of and the Mac
 is becoming my favourite platform. Who am I kidding, it has been for quite 
 a
 while. I don't miss Driver issues, selling my sole to afford JFW and
 wondering why I get a different adaptive experience on each different
 machine I use.
 
 I look forward to learning from you all and helping out as much as 
 possible.
 The more I learn, the more questions it creates. As I find answers, I like
 to share them with others. Many people gave of there time and knowledge to
 help me learn and returning the favour is a good way to help return the
 favours.
 
 I'm a musician by trade so I'm putting a lot of effort into the musical 
 side
 of things. AmpKit is my latest love and I'm amazed at how wonderfully
 accessible it is with VoiceOver. I'm also getting into learning and using
 Amadeus Pro as I finally couldn't handle attempting to make Garage Band in
 to anything more than a buggy unstable toy. Any suggestions on music
 creation apps, recording solutions or learning resources are always greatly
 appreciated.
 
 Anyway, thanks for the list and look forward to getting to know you all.
 
 Kind regards,
 Danny Noonan.
 
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New member

[Chris Bruinenberg]

Hi all. I'm glad to finally be part of the group. 
I got my MacBook in march. It's the MacBook pro. 
Does anybody have suggestions on ssd options?
Thanks


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Re: New member

[John Panarese]

 SSD can be expensive to add, but the advantages I have found is the speed 
in which the system boots up or returns from sleep.  Also, copying or moving 
files and folders on the system is quite fast as well.  I have 512 GB of SSD in 
my Mac Book Pro, and I find it worth the money.


Take Care

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Mac for the Blind
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 I got my MacBook in march. It's the MacBook pro. 
 Does anybody have suggestions on ssd options?
 Thanks
 
 
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Re: New member

[Chris Bruinenberg]

Hi John. Which as did you look at buying! I'm looking at the Samsung 830 or the 
crucial m4! 

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On Sep 1, 2012, at 1:18 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote:

 SSD can be expensive to add, but the advantages I have found is the speed 
 in which the system boots up or returns from sleep.  Also, copying or moving 
 files and folders on the system is quite fast as well.  I have 512 GB of SSD 
 in my Mac Book Pro, and I find it worth the money.
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
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 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
 
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 On Sep 1, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:
 
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 I got my MacBook in march. It's the MacBook pro. 
 Does anybody have suggestions on ssd options?
 Thanks
 
 
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Re: New member

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I went with Kingston for my SSD.  So far, so good.  I purchased a 240GB drive.  
I also took out my optical drive and replaced it with the original Hard drive 
that came in my Macbook pro.  Just keep in mind, TRIM will not be enabled 
automatically.

hth 

Ricardo Walker
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On Sep 1, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi John. Which as did you look at buying! I'm looking at the Samsung 830 or 
 the crucial m4! 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 1, 2012, at 1:18 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
SSD can be expensive to add, but the advantages I have found is the speed 
 in which the system boots up or returns from sleep.  Also, copying or moving 
 files and folders on the system is quite fast as well.  I have 512 GB of SSD 
 in my Mac Book Pro, and I find it worth the money.
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
 Tel, (631) 724-4479
 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
 
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 AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
 
 MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
 
 
 
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 I got my MacBook in march. It's the MacBook pro. 
 Does anybody have suggestions on ssd options?
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Re: New member

[John Panarese]

I have used Crucial products.  They are compatible with the Mac and I have 
never had any issues with them.  Just be sure the SSD is definitely compatible 
with the Mac.


Take Care

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Director
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On Sep 1, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi John. Which as did you look at buying! I'm looking at the Samsung 830 or 
 the crucial m4! 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 1, 2012, at 1:18 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
SSD can be expensive to add, but the advantages I have found is the speed 
 in which the system boots up or returns from sleep.  Also, copying or moving 
 files and folders on the system is quite fast as well.  I have 512 GB of SSD 
 in my Mac Book Pro, and I find it worth the money.
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
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 Tel, (631) 724-4479
 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
 
 APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
 
 AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
 
 MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
 
 
 
 On Sep 1, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all. I'm glad to finally be part of the group. 
 I got my MacBook in march. It's the MacBook pro. 
 Does anybody have suggestions on ssd options?
 Thanks
 
 
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Re: New member

[Chris Bruinenberg]

Hi,
thank you for help.
I will remember to enable trim!

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New Member-Questioj

[stormin]

I am now  with a I-Mac desk top and gradually switching over to from XP home
and jaws. So what I want to know is a checking program with Mac that is just
as good or equal to Quicken? I run my home on Quicken right now. Thanks,
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Re: New Member-Questioj

[Cody]

I've already told him this, but for the purposes of the list's archives, I have 
tried out a program called See Finance. It is free and allows you to keep 
records of all your spending
On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:21 PM, stormin wrote:

 I am now  with a I-Mac desk top and gradually switching over to from XP home
 and jaws. So what I want to know is a checking program with Mac that is just
 as good or equal to Quicken? I run my home on Quicken right now. Thanks,
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new member test message

[Manohar Singaram]

This is a test message. 
 thank you 
Mano

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Re: new member with several questions.

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

You can find a bunch of getting started information at icanworkthisthing.com

hth

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On Jul 28, 2011, at 1:39 AM, jim rawls wrote:

Thanks Christopher. We'll probably take it. Jim

From: Christopher Peppel
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 7:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member with several questions.

Hi Jim,

I took the one-on-one course at the Apple store and it was definitely worth it. 
 In the store I went to, the folks were very friendly and helpful.  It was 
probably the best money I spent.

Chris
On Jul 27, 2011, at 6:11 PM, jim rawls wrote:

 Hi All,
 My wife and I will be buying a mac pro computer in the next little while. I 
 am clueless about where to start to learn the mac with voice over. I have 
 been a jaws user on windows computer since the year 2000, but think it is 
 time to take the plunge and learn the mac with voice over. So, question. 
 Would it help us to get the one to one program offered at the Mac store with 
 our purchase?
 My wife is sighted, I am not.
 Second, where can I find the list of commands to use on the Mac?
 Thirdly, is the new lion commands up to learn?
 I can't think f any more things now, but no doubt will, so if you can give 
 this clueless potential user of the mac pro some hints on where to start, it 
 would be greatly appreciated.
 thanks for your help.
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Re: new member with several questions.

[Red.Falcon]

Hi Jim!
Well I suppose you could ask at your particular Apple store what there 
knowledge is and your other half would also be able to put it to good use if 
needed!
So as long as they [at the store] can fit you in I understand you can have 
quite a lot of 1 to 1 help!
And just one more thing!
If your particular store are not very knowledgable about vo then you signing up 
might help them learn!
Or you might find they are already quite good!
hth Colin

On 28 Jul 2011, at 06:39, jim rawls wrote:

 Thanks Christopher. We'll probably take it. Jim
 
 From: Christopher Peppel
 Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 7:29 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member with several questions.
 
 Hi Jim,
 
 I took the one-on-one course at the Apple store and it was definitely worth 
 it.  In the store I went to, the folks were very friendly and helpful.  It 
 was probably the best money I spent.
 
 Chris
 On Jul 27, 2011, at 6:11 PM, jim rawls wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 My wife and I will be buying a mac pro computer in the next little while. I 
 am clueless about where to start to learn the mac with voice over. I have 
 been a jaws user on windows computer since the year2000, but think it is 
 time to take the plunge and learn the mac with voice over. So, question. 
 Would it help us to get the one to one program offered at the Mac store with 
 our purchase?
 My wife is sighted, I am not.
 Second, where can I find the list of commands to use on the Mac?
 Thirdly, is the new lion commands up to learn?
 I can't think f any more things now, but no doubt will, so if you can give 
 this clueless potential user of the mac pro some hints on where to start, it 
 would be greatly appreciated.
 thanks for your help.
 Jim
 
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Re: new member with several questions.

[jim rawls]

Well, my wife wants to get the one to one class, and I talked to one of the 3 
stores we have near us here in Southern California, and one store in particular 
said they would be willing to take me on, and they have a blind customer 
already. That's the store in Pasadena. Jim


From: Red.Falcon 
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 5:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: new member with several questions.


Hi Jim! 
Well I suppose you could ask at your particular Apple store what there 
knowledge is and your other half would also be able to put it to good use if 
needed!
So as long as they [at the store] can fit you in I understand you can have 
quite a lot of 1 to 1 help!
And just one more thing!
If your particular store are not very knowledgable about vo then you signing up 
might help them learn!
Or you might find they are already quite good!
hth Colin


On 28 Jul 2011, at 06:39, jim rawls wrote:


  Thanks Christopher. We'll probably take it. Jim


  From: Christopher Peppel 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 7:29 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: new member with several questions.


  Hi Jim, 


  I took the one-on-one course at the Apple store and it was definitely worth 
it.  In the store I went to, the folks were very friendly and helpful.  It was 
probably the best money I spent.


  Chris

  On Jul 27, 2011, at 6:11 PM, jim rawls wrote:


Hi All,
My wife and I will be buying a mac pro computer in the next little while. I 
am clueless about where to start to learn the mac with voice over. I have been 
a jaws user on windows computer since the year 2000, but think it is time to 
take the plunge and learn the mac with voice over. So, question. Would it help 
us to get the one to one program offered at the Mac store with our purchase? 
My wife is sighted, I am not. 
Second, where can I find the list of commands to use on the Mac? 
Thirdly, is the new lion commands up to learn?
I can't think f any more things now, but no doubt will, so if you can give 
this clueless potential user of the mac pro some hints on where to start, it 
would be greatly appreciated. 
thanks for your help.
Jim


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Re: new member with several questions.

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

I took it too. Thank God they had a blindemployee who usedVO. We worked 
together for a year.
On Jul 27, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Christopher Peppel wrote:

 Hi Jim,
 
 I took the one-on-one course at the Apple store and it was definitely worth 
 it.  In the store I went to, the folks were very friendly and helpful.  It 
 was probably the best money I spent.
 
 Chris
 On Jul 27, 2011, at 6:11 PM, jim rawls wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 My wife and I will be buying a mac pro computer in the next little while. I 
 am clueless about where to start to learn the mac with voice over. I have 
 been a jaws user on windows computer since the year 2000, but think it is 
 time to take the plunge and learn the mac with voice over. So, question. 
 Would it help us to get the one to one program offered at the Mac store with 
 our purchase?
 My wife is sighted, I am not.
 Second, where can I find the list of commands to use on the Mac?
 Thirdly, is the new lion commands up to learn?
 I can't think f any more things now, but no doubt will, so if you can give 
 this clueless potential user of the mac pro some hints on where to start, it 
 would be greatly appreciated.
 thanks for your help.
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new member with several questions.

[jim rawls]

Hi All,
My wife and I will be buying a mac pro computer in the next little while. I am 
clueless about where to start to learn the mac with voice over. I have been a 
jaws user on windows computer since the year 2000, but think it is time to take 
the plunge and learn the mac with voice over. So, question. Would it help us to 
get the one to one program offered at the Mac store with our purchase? 
My wife is sighted, I am not. 
Second, where can I find the list of commands to use on the Mac? 
Thirdly, is the new lion commands up to learn?
I can't think f any more things now, but no doubt will, so if you can give this 
clueless potential user of the mac pro some hints on where to start, it would 
be greatly appreciated. 
thanks for your help.
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Re: new member with several questions.

[Cody]

Voiceover has a commands review keyboard learn mode by pressing control option 
k and you can press any key you like. the 1 to 1 program probably won't help 
you in the area of voiceover. Apple specialists may have heard of voiceover but 
probably wouldn't know how to operate it
On Jul 27, 2011, at 6:11 PM, jim rawls wrote:

 Hi All,
 My wife and I will be buying a mac pro computer in the next little while. I 
 am clueless about where to start to learn the mac with voice over. I have 
 been a jaws user on windows computer since the year 2000, but think it is 
 time to take the plunge and learn the mac with voice over. So, question. 
 Would it help us to get the one to one program offered at the Mac store with 
 our purchase?
 My wife is sighted, I am not.
 Second, where can I find the list of commands to use on the Mac?
 Thirdly, is the new lion commands up to learn?
 I can't think f any more things now, but no doubt will, so if you can give 
 this clueless potential user of the mac pro some hints on where to start, it 
 would be greatly appreciated.
 thanks for your help.
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Re: new member with several questions.

[jim rawls]

thanks for your input. I appreciate it. Jim


From: Cody 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 3:17 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: new member with several questions.


Voiceover has a commands review keyboard learn mode by pressing control option 
k and you can press any key you like. the 1 to 1 program probably won't help 
you in the area of voiceover. Apple specialists may have heard of voiceover but 
probably wouldn't know how to operate it

On Jul 27, 2011, at 6:11 PM, jim rawls wrote:


  Hi All,
  My wife and I will be buying a mac pro computer in the next little while. I 
am clueless about where to start to learn the mac with voice over. I have been 
a jaws user on windows computer since the year 2000, but think it is time to 
take the plunge and learn the mac with voice over. So, question. Would it help 
us to get the one to one program offered at the Mac store with our purchase? 
  My wife is sighted, I am not. 
  Second, where can I find the list of commands to use on the Mac? 
  Thirdly, is the new lion commands up to learn?
  I can't think f any more things now, but no doubt will, so if you can give 
this clueless potential user of the mac pro some hints on where to start, it 
would be greatly appreciated. 
  thanks for your help.
  Jim


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Re: new member with several questions.

[Christopher Peppel]

Hi Jim,

I took the one-on-one course at the Apple store and it was definitely worth it. 
 In the store I went to, the folks were very friendly and helpful.  It was 
probably the best money I spent.

Chris
On Jul 27, 2011, at 6:11 PM, jim rawls wrote:

 Hi All,
 My wife and I will be buying a mac pro computer in the next little while. I 
 am clueless about where to start to learn the mac with voice over. I have 
 been a jaws user on windows computer since the year 2000, but think it is 
 time to take the plunge and learn the mac with voice over. So, question. 
 Would it help us to get the one to one program offered at the Mac store with 
 our purchase?
 My wife is sighted, I am not.
 Second, where can I find the list of commands to use on the Mac?
 Thirdly, is the new lion commands up to learn?
 I can't think f any more things now, but no doubt will, so if you can give 
 this clueless potential user of the mac pro some hints on where to start, it 
 would be greatly appreciated.
 thanks for your help.
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Re: new member with several questions.

[jim rawls]

Thanks Christopher. We'll probably take it. Jim


From: Christopher Peppel 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 7:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: new member with several questions.


Hi Jim, 


I took the one-on-one course at the Apple store and it was definitely worth it. 
 In the store I went to, the folks were very friendly and helpful.  It was 
probably the best money I spent.


Chris

On Jul 27, 2011, at 6:11 PM, jim rawls wrote:


  Hi All,
  My wife and I will be buying a mac pro computer in the next little while. I 
am clueless about where to start to learn the mac with voice over. I have been 
a jaws user on windows computer since the year 2000, but think it is time to 
take the plunge and learn the mac with voice over. So, question. Would it help 
us to get the one to one program offered at the Mac store with our purchase? 
  My wife is sighted, I am not. 
  Second, where can I find the list of commands to use on the Mac? 
  Thirdly, is the new lion commands up to learn?
  I can't think f any more things now, but no doubt will, so if you can give 
this clueless potential user of the mac pro some hints on where to start, it 
would be greatly appreciated. 
  thanks for your help.
  Jim


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Re: New member with a timezone question

[Naama Shang]

That worked like a charm, thank you. I didn't think that city thing was 
editable, because it didnt' say so. I am still too unfamiliar to develop an 
intuition about thest things...
Naama
- Original Message - 
From: Tim Kilburn kilbu...@shaw.ca
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: New member with a timezone question


Hi Naama,

Welcome to the list.  When using the Time Zone feature of the Date  Time 
System Preference, the easiest way to set your Time Zone is to enter your 
closest major city in the Closest city field.

1.  Open your system Prefs.
2.  go to Date  Time.
3.  Select the Time Zone tab.
4.  Navigate right until you reach the Closest City combo box.
5.  Enter the first few letters of the closest major city to you, possibly 
Jerusalem in your case.

Your Mac will automatically set the Time Zone once it knows that city.  I 
also make sure to have the Set Time Zone Automatically button to Off.

This should do the trick for you.

Later...

On 2011-06-19, at 7:12 AM, Naama Shang wrote:

 Naama

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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New member with a timezone question

[Naama Shang]

Hello,
My name is Naama and I currently live in Israel. I have just received my 
very first mac a few hours ago -- it is a new iMac.
I have gone through the out of box experience successfully, and I am 
noticing that my timezone is not set properly.
I did not get an option to set my timezone, even when I set the location.
When I went into system preferences, into the timezone tab, I checked the 
box that said to automatically set my timezone, but this did not work. Maybe 
Israel is not included in the timezones the mac can find automatically. It 
defaults to Pacific Dayligt time, and I cannot seem to change it.
I cannot interact with either the map, or the timezone button. I am of 
course connected to the internet.
How do I get my timezone to be correct?
Thanks,
Naama 

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Re: New member with a timezone question

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Naama,

Welcome to the list.  When using the Time Zone feature of the Date  Time 
System Preference, the easiest way to set your Time Zone is to enter your 
closest major city in the Closest city field.

1.  Open your system Prefs.
2.  go to Date  Time.
3.  Select the Time Zone tab.
4.  Navigate right until you reach the Closest City combo box.
5.  Enter the first few letters of the closest major city to you, possibly 
Jerusalem in your case.

Your Mac will automatically set the Time Zone once it knows that city.  I also 
make sure to have the Set Time Zone Automatically button to Off.

This should do the trick for you.

Later...

On 2011-06-19, at 7:12 AM, Naama Shang wrote:

 Naama

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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Re: Hello from a new member.

[CJ Daniel]

Hey Ben,

Welcome aboard  congrats on the new Mac.  I'm just south of you in a planned 
community, outside of Tucson, called Rancho Sahuarita.  I, truly, love 
Scottsdale  a restaurant there called Banderas.  Anyway, again, welcome  good 
luck with the new machine.

Your brother, in Christ,

CJ


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 Hello all,
 
 My name is Ben J Bloomgren. I'm from Scottsdale, Arizona. I'm extremely new
 to the Mac world, but tomorrow, more than likely, I'll be receiving from
 Fedex Ground my very own white 13-inch stock MacBook! I've been working with
 Chris Gilland's system, and I'm loving what I'm seeing! I hope to very soon
 be able actually to give suggestions to yall as well as to ask for help.
 
 Sincerely in Christ,
 
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Hello from a new member.

[Ben J. Bloomgren]

Hello all,

My name is Ben J Bloomgren. I'm from Scottsdale, Arizona. I'm extremely new
to the Mac world, but tomorrow, more than likely, I'll be receiving from
Fedex Ground my very own white 13-inch stock MacBook! I've been working with
Chris Gilland's system, and I'm loving what I'm seeing! I hope to very soon
be able actually to give suggestions to yall as well as to ask for help.

Sincerely in Christ,

Ben J. Bloomgren

Skype, AIM and Twitter:  BlindBirder

MSN:  godsq...@cox.net and ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com

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Re: Hello from a new member.

[Gary Readfern-Gray]

Hi Ben,

welcome to the list and to the world of all things Mac. I've had my mac for 
around 18 months now and have learned a ton of stuff from the list so you're in 
the right place.

In Christ
Gazza
On 14 Jun 2011, at 20:54, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:

 Hello all,
 
 My name is Ben J Bloomgren. I'm from Scottsdale, Arizona. I'm extremely new
 to the Mac world, but tomorrow, more than likely, I'll be receiving from
 Fedex Ground my very own white 13-inch stock MacBook! I've been working with
 Chris Gilland's system, and I'm loving what I'm seeing! I hope to very soon
 be able actually to give suggestions to yall as well as to ask for help.
 
 Sincerely in Christ,
 
 Ben J. Bloomgren
 
 Skype, AIM and Twitter:  BlindBirder
 
 MSN:  godsq...@cox.net and ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com
 
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Re: Hello from a new member.

[Ezzie Buenito]

hi Ben,

Welcome to the list! I've had my Mac for almost 8 months and am 
loving it so far. You'll learn a lot from the basics to the right 
apps for social networks--such as Twitter.


Ezzie


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From: Gary Readfern-Gray readfern.g...@googlemail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:22:44 +0100
Subject: Re: Hello from a new member.

Hi Ben,

welcome to the list and to the world of all things Mac. I've had 
my mac for around 18 months now and have learned a ton of stuff 
from the list so you're in the right place.


In Christ
Gazza
On 14 Jun 2011, at 20:54, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:

Hello all,

My name is Ben J Bloomgren. I'm from Scottsdale, Arizona. I'm 
extremely new
to the Mac world, but tomorrow, more than likely, I'll be 
receiving from
Fedex Ground my very own white 13-inch stock MacBook! I've been 
working with
Chris Gilland's system, and I'm loving what I'm seeing! I hope 
to very soon
be able actually to give suggestions to yall as well as to ask 
for help.


Sincerely in Christ,

Ben J. Bloomgren

Skype, AIM and Twitter:  BlindBirder

MSN:  godsq...@cox.net and ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com

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Re: Hello from a new member.

[matthew Dyer on Mac Mini]

Hello.

Welcome to the mac world.  I have had my mac for over 2 years and I am loving 
it so much.  I am very pleased at how stable mac os really is.  I learn new 
things every day and I know you are going to love it when you receive yours.  
Good luck.

Matthew


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 hi Ben,
 
 Welcome to the list! I've had my Mac for almost 8 months and am loving it so 
 far. You'll learn a lot from the basics to the right apps for social 
 networks--such as Twitter.
 
 Ezzie
 
 
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 From: Gary Readfern-Gray readfern.g...@googlemail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:22:44 +0100
 Subject: Re: Hello from a new member.
 
 Hi Ben,
 
 welcome to the list and to the world of all things Mac. I've had my mac for 
 around 18 months now and have learned a ton of stuff from the list so you're 
 in the right place.
 
 In Christ
 Gazza
 On 14 Jun 2011, at 20:54, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 My name is Ben J Bloomgren. I'm from Scottsdale, Arizona. I'm extremely new
 to the Mac world, but tomorrow, more than likely, I'll be receiving from
 Fedex Ground my very own white 13-inch stock MacBook! I've been working with
 Chris Gilland's system, and I'm loving what I'm seeing! I hope to very soon
 be able actually to give suggestions to yall as well as to ask for help.
 
 Sincerely in Christ,
 
 Ben J. Bloomgren
 
 Skype, AIM and Twitter:  BlindBirder
 
 MSN:  godsq...@cox.net and ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com
 
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Re: Hello from a new member.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I am just so happy that you're branching out and willing to give the mac as 
much of a chance as you are.  As you've seen playing with my system, Ben, 
you will not! regret this decision of your's, and trust me, all of us will 
be more! than happy, including myself, to help you along the journey.  We 
all learn together, but that's what makes the mac community so fun and so 
rewarding!


Be well.

Chris, AKA: Mark.
- Original Message - 
From: Ben J. Bloomgren ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:54 PM
Subject: Hello from a new member.



Hello all,

My name is Ben J Bloomgren. I'm from Scottsdale, Arizona. I'm extremely 
new

to the Mac world, but tomorrow, more than likely, I'll be receiving from
Fedex Ground my very own white 13-inch stock MacBook! I've been working 
with
Chris Gilland's system, and I'm loving what I'm seeing! I hope to very 
soon

be able actually to give suggestions to yall as well as to ask for help.

Sincerely in Christ,

Ben J. Bloomgren

Skype, AIM and Twitter:  BlindBirder

MSN:  godsq...@cox.net and ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com

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RE: Hello from a new member.

[Ben J. Bloomgren]

Ezzie and all,

I'm so glad that you all have already written me for to welcome me. I've
been working quite substantially with Chris's Mac, and I'm quite far along
already. I've been using YoruFukurou, and I love it! By the way, what on
earth does that name mean? It smacks of Africa, but that's not the point.
Even Skype and the Sendspace wizard are available for use!

There are a lot of people that I wouldn't suspect, including you, Ez!

Again, this welcome amazes me.

Ben

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ezzie Buenito
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 16:31
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hello from a new member.

hi Ben,

Welcome to the list! I've had my Mac for almost 8 months and am 
loving it so far. You'll learn a lot from the basics to the right 
apps for social networks--such as Twitter.

Ezzie


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From: Gary Readfern-Gray readfern.g...@googlemail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:22:44 +0100
Subject: Re: Hello from a new member.

Hi Ben,

welcome to the list and to the world of all things Mac. I've had 
my mac for around 18 months now and have learned a ton of stuff 
from the list so you're in the right place.

In Christ
Gazza
On 14 Jun 2011, at 20:54, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:

 Hello all,

 My name is Ben J Bloomgren. I'm from Scottsdale, Arizona. I'm 
extremely new
 to the Mac world, but tomorrow, more than likely, I'll be 
receiving from
 Fedex Ground my very own white 13-inch stock MacBook! I've been 
working with
 Chris Gilland's system, and I'm loving what I'm seeing! I hope 
to very soon
 be able actually to give suggestions to yall as well as to ask 
for help.

 Sincerely in Christ,

 Ben J. Bloomgren

 Skype, AIM and Twitter:  BlindBirder

 MSN:  godsq...@cox.net and ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com

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Re: Hello from a new member.

[Shameless FanGirl]

Hi there,

I've had my macbook Pro for approximately six weeks, and am every bit as in 
love with the switch now, as I was the day I first discovered it. Don't get me 
wrong, you'll have frustrations, etc, but that comes of any new undertaking. 
Rock on, and a huge welcome to the community from me. Everyone here has been 
excellent resources, so you're definitely amid much support. 

Again, welcome aboard. :)
On Jun 14, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:

 Ezzie and all,
 
 I'm so glad that you all have already written me for to welcome me. I've
 been working quite substantially with Chris's Mac, and I'm quite far along
 already. I've been using YoruFukurou, and I love it! By the way, what on
 earth does that name mean? It smacks of Africa, but that's not the point.
 Even Skype and the Sendspace wizard are available for use!
 
 There are a lot of people that I wouldn't suspect, including you, Ez!
 
 Again, this welcome amazes me.
 
 Ben
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ezzie Buenito
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 16:31
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Hello from a new member.
 
 hi Ben,
 
 Welcome to the list! I've had my Mac for almost 8 months and am 
 loving it so far. You'll learn a lot from the basics to the right 
 apps for social networks--such as Twitter.
 
 Ezzie
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Gary Readfern-Gray readfern.g...@googlemail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:22:44 +0100
 Subject: Re: Hello from a new member.
 
 Hi Ben,
 
 welcome to the list and to the world of all things Mac. I've had 
 my mac for around 18 months now and have learned a ton of stuff 
 from the list so you're in the right place.
 
 In Christ
 Gazza
 On 14 Jun 2011, at 20:54, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 My name is Ben J Bloomgren. I'm from Scottsdale, Arizona. I'm 
 extremely new
 to the Mac world, but tomorrow, more than likely, I'll be 
 receiving from
 Fedex Ground my very own white 13-inch stock MacBook! I've been 
 working with
 Chris Gilland's system, and I'm loving what I'm seeing! I hope 
 to very soon
 be able actually to give suggestions to yall as well as to ask 
 for help.
 
 Sincerely in Christ,
 
 Ben J. Bloomgren
 
 Skype, AIM and Twitter:  BlindBirder
 
 MSN:  godsq...@cox.net and ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com
 
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Re: Hello from a new member.

[Jeffrey Shockley]

Hi,
It means Night Owl in Japanese.
HTH,
Jeffrey
On Jun 14, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:

 Ezzie and all,
 
 I'm so glad that you all have already written me for to welcome me. I've
 been working quite substantially with Chris's Mac, and I'm quite far along
 already. I've been using YoruFukurou, and I love it! By the way, what on
 earth does that name mean? It smacks of Africa, but that's not the point.
 Even Skype and the Sendspace wizard are available for use!
 
 There are a lot of people that I wouldn't suspect, including you, Ez!
 
 Again, this welcome amazes me.
 
 Ben
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ezzie Buenito
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 16:31
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Hello from a new member.
 
 hi Ben,
 
 Welcome to the list! I've had my Mac for almost 8 months and am 
 loving it so far. You'll learn a lot from the basics to the right 
 apps for social networks--such as Twitter.
 
 Ezzie
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Gary Readfern-Gray readfern.g...@googlemail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:22:44 +0100
 Subject: Re: Hello from a new member.
 
 Hi Ben,
 
 welcome to the list and to the world of all things Mac. I've had 
 my mac for around 18 months now and have learned a ton of stuff 
 from the list so you're in the right place.
 
 In Christ
 Gazza
 On 14 Jun 2011, at 20:54, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 My name is Ben J Bloomgren. I'm from Scottsdale, Arizona. I'm 
 extremely new
 to the Mac world, but tomorrow, more than likely, I'll be 
 receiving from
 Fedex Ground my very own white 13-inch stock MacBook! I've been 
 working with
 Chris Gilland's system, and I'm loving what I'm seeing! I hope 
 to very soon
 be able actually to give suggestions to yall as well as to ask 
 for help.
 
 Sincerely in Christ,
 
 Ben J. Bloomgren
 
 Skype, AIM and Twitter:  BlindBirder
 
 MSN:  godsq...@cox.net and ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com
 
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New Member and question about Short key commands

[patricia solis]

Hello, everyone just joined the list and I have a question. where can i go and 
read about short key commands so i can navigate the web faster? or just more 
short key commands  to be able to use my mac.

Thanks in advance Patricia

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Re: New Member and question about Short key commands

[Pete Nalda]

Here's a pretty good list to start with.

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1343

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Re: new member

[marie Howarth]

I think this is definitely a great point. But my argument would be this, if you 
weren't working in a call centre or somewhere that requires specific systems to 
be in place, it's possible to use whatever computer you feel comfortable with. 
And that goes for everyone. I'm guessing VR is an organisation, kind of like 
Action for the blind here,  and for those who are under those services, I 
accept what you're saying. However, my point was this, most of these 
organisations still assume all VI users are utilising windows and a third party 
screen reader. They are not open to other possibilities practically.

On 16 Apr 2010, at 07:01, Bryan Smart wrote:

 I'm all for integrated screen readers and more affordable technology, but 
 that is probably more of a concern to end-users than voc-rehab agencies.
 
 The only main reason that vr agencies exist is to get you a job. If you're 
 going to college on your own to be a professional, or otherwise planning your 
 own career, then you, as a professional or contractor, will be working pretty 
 much independently, and so you can use what-ever computers suit you. In this 
 case, you aren't going through vr most likely, and so they won't have any 
 reason to train you on a Mac.
 
 On the other hand, if you're depending on vr to get you a job, they're going 
 to be focused on putting you to work in a front office or a call center 
 somewhere. Those places use Windows, so vr will train you on Windows. There 
 really isn't much point for vr to train people on Macs if the jobs where 
 they're placing people don't use Macs, which they don't.
 
 Remember, vr doesn't exist to buy people toys, or to get you on the Internet, 
 or to buy you the best computer for you. Everything they do for you is only 
 to get people working and off SSI.
 
 Bryan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
 Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 6:44 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Hi,
 
 I think it has to start with agencies for the blind and the educational 
 system.  As an adult it's easy enough to just get up and go to an apple 
 store, or have the money to pay for 1 on 1 training at said apple store.  But 
 a 12 year old not so much.  I think younger people must be exposed to other 
 options.  It doesn't even have anything to do with how great Apple is.  It's 
 just creating a market where people can obtain access to the technology they 
 need without selling their first born.  lol.  If anything, I think Apple has 
 started to make makers of adaptive technology squirm a bit.  It becomes 
 harder for them to justified the cost of their products.
 
 On Apr 15, 2010, at 6:30 AM, marie Howarth wrote:
 
 
   I know in my local store, there are two designated VO trainers and 
 other staff constantly tell me they have played with VO on varying products. 
 I think where there is a demand for it it will happen. Apple is extremely 
 flexible. :)
 
   On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:27, Rob Lambert wrote:
 
 
   I agree. Only time will tell, of course. Who better to train 
 people on their products than Apple themselves? I haven't used it, but I do 
 like their one-to-one service, and my hope is they've set aside some staff 
 that have been trained in VoiceOver for us. If not, they should. 
   
   
   On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM, marie Howarth 
 marie.jane2...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 
   I think it all depends on the user and their attitude 
 too. An individual may hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user 
 with a mac who is also VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In 
 manchester, I know due to myself and a few other VI customers, most of the 
 staff in the store are highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I 
 think its coming from Apple in the near future. 
 
   On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 
   I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what 
 it's like in other countries, but here in Ireland most of the trainers are 
 actually sighted.  Macs haven't penetrated the mainstream userbase to the 
 same extent as windows-based Pcs.  Consequently the level of knowledge among 
 the trainers on the actual OS itself (not including VO) is virtually non 
 existent.  The fact that the trainers would have to go and learn an entirely 
 new platform, and then educate themselves in a new style of assistive 
 technology makes it pretty certain that the majority of blind users will be 
 stuck with Jaws and other badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable 
 future.

   It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is 
 the case.

   Dónal

Re: new member

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Fact is though. If people wanted to get their minds out of the WIndows 
environment for just a moment, I'm sure we'd have a lot more developers for 
these types of programs. And, especially for places such as police call centers 
where scripts are required for the software that integrates with their police 
national computer report databases, this probably will not be necessary. For 
example, some companies charge about $1400 for writing scripts. And that is a 
fee they charge every time they can schedule an appointment. But then, you run 
into the possibility of creating another error in that script when fixing 
another, thus, taking even longer to rectify the issue if you are not able to 
reschedule a visit. This can draw out, resulting in the employee being trained 
in taking police calls and, when finished with their training, having nothing 
to do for a year or more.

This disadvantage would be mostly wiped out if using a Mac, especially if the 
program is written in Cocoa. The police force saves an incredibly large sum of 
money, and they avoid stressing out the employee trying to be patient waiting 
for the scripts.

That is just one example of many more. So, regardless of Windows being used for 
the most part in a work environment, the advantage to a Mac is undeniable.

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On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:07 AM, marie Howarth wrote:

 I think this is definitely a great point. But my argument would be this, if 
 you weren't working in a call centre or somewhere that requires specific 
 systems to be in place, it's possible to use whatever computer you feel 
 comfortable with. And that goes for everyone. I'm guessing VR is an 
 organisation, kind of like Action for the blind here,  and for those who are 
 under those services, I accept what you're saying. However, my point was 
 this, most of these organisations still assume all VI users are utilising 
 windows and a third party screen reader. They are not open to other 
 possibilities practically.
 
 On 16 Apr 2010, at 07:01, Bryan Smart wrote:
 
 I'm all for integrated screen readers and more affordable technology, but 
 that is probably more of a concern to end-users than voc-rehab agencies.
 
 The only main reason that vr agencies exist is to get you a job. If you're 
 going to college on your own to be a professional, or otherwise planning 
 your own career, then you, as a professional or contractor, will be working 
 pretty much independently, and so you can use what-ever computers suit you. 
 In this case, you aren't going through vr most likely, and so they won't 
 have any reason to train you on a Mac.
 
 On the other hand, if you're depending on vr to get you a job, they're going 
 to be focused on putting you to work in a front office or a call center 
 somewhere. Those places use Windows, so vr will train you on Windows. There 
 really isn't much point for vr to train people on Macs if the jobs where 
 they're placing people don't use Macs, which they don't.
 
 Remember, vr doesn't exist to buy people toys, or to get you on the 
 Internet, or to buy you the best computer for you. Everything they do for 
 you is only to get people working and off SSI.
 
 Bryan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
 Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 6:44 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Hi,
 
 I think it has to start with agencies for the blind and the educational 
 system.  As an adult it's easy enough to just get up and go to an apple 
 store, or have the money to pay for 1 on 1 training at said apple store.  
 But a 12 year old not so much.  I think younger people must be exposed to 
 other options.  It doesn't even have anything to do with how great Apple is. 
  It's just creating a market where people can obtain access to the 
 technology they need without selling their first born.  lol.  If anything, I 
 think Apple has started to make makers of adaptive technology squirm a bit.  
 It becomes harder for them to justified the cost of their products.
 
 On Apr 15, 2010, at 6:30 AM, marie Howarth wrote:
 
 
  I know in my local store, there are two designated VO trainers and 
 other staff constantly tell me they have played with VO on varying products. 
 I think where there is a demand for it it will happen. Apple is extremely 
 flexible. :)
 
  On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:27, Rob Lambert wrote:
 
 
  I agree. Only time will tell, of course. Who better to train 
 people on their products than Apple themselves? I haven't used it, but I do 
 like their one-to-one service, and my hope is they've set aside some staff 
 that have been trained in VoiceOver for us. If not, they should. 
  
  
  On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM

RE: new member

[Bryan Smart]

I'm all for integrated screen readers and more affordable technology, but that 
is probably more of a concern to end-users than voc-rehab agencies.

The only main reason that vr agencies exist is to get you a job. If you're 
going to college on your own to be a professional, or otherwise planning your 
own career, then you, as a professional or contractor, will be working pretty 
much independently, and so you can use what-ever computers suit you. In this 
case, you aren't going through vr most likely, and so they won't have any 
reason to train you on a Mac.

On the other hand, if you're depending on vr to get you a job, they're going to 
be focused on putting you to work in a front office or a call center somewhere. 
Those places use Windows, so vr will train you on Windows. There really isn't 
much point for vr to train people on Macs if the jobs where they're placing 
people don't use Macs, which they don't.

Remember, vr doesn't exist to buy people toys, or to get you on the Internet, 
or to buy you the best computer for you. Everything they do for you is only to 
get people working and off SSI.

Bryan

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 6:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member

Hi,

I think it has to start with agencies for the blind and the educational system. 
 As an adult it's easy enough to just get up and go to an apple store, or have 
the money to pay for 1 on 1 training at said apple store.  But a 12 year old 
not so much.  I think younger people must be exposed to other options.  It 
doesn't even have anything to do with how great Apple is.  It's just creating a 
market where people can obtain access to the technology they need without 
selling their first born.  lol.  If anything, I think Apple has started to make 
makers of adaptive technology squirm a bit.  It becomes harder for them to 
justified the cost of their products.

On Apr 15, 2010, at 6:30 AM, marie Howarth wrote:


I know in my local store, there are two designated VO trainers and 
other staff constantly tell me they have played with VO on varying products. I 
think where there is a demand for it it will happen. Apple is extremely 
flexible. :)

On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:27, Rob Lambert wrote:


I agree. Only time will tell, of course. Who better to train 
people on their products than Apple themselves? I haven't used it, but I do 
like their one-to-one service, and my hope is they've set aside some staff that 
have been trained in VoiceOver for us. If not, they should. 


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM, marie Howarth 
marie.jane2...@gmail.com wrote:


I think it all depends on the user and their attitude 
too. An individual may hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user 
with a mac who is also VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In 
manchester, I know due to myself and a few other VI customers, most of the 
staff in the store are highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I 
think its coming from Apple in the near future. 

On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:


I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what 
it's like in other countries, but here in Ireland most of the trainers are 
actually sighted.  Macs haven't penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same 
extent as windows-based Pcs.  Consequently the level of knowledge among the 
trainers on the actual OS itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  
The fact that the trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform, 
and then educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it 
pretty certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and 
other badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.
 
It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is 
the case.
 
Dónal



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert
Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member


Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs 
in AT training offices? 


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer 
joeplum...@tds.net wrote

RE: new member

[Joe Plummer]

For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.
 


Sign,
Joe Plummer ( JP )
joeplum...@tds.net
 
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member

Hello Denise,

I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
Office for Mac is not accessible.

As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read these
just fine.

I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows user.

Cheers,

Anne

On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:

 hello,
 after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book
pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
 i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
 i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
 I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these purposes.
there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
apprciated.
  
 
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Re: new member

[Rob Lambert]

Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices?

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:

 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.



 Sign,
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 joeplum...@tds.net

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member

 Hello Denise,

 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.

 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read
 these
 just fine.

 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows
 user.

 Cheers,

 Anne

 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:

  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
 stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
 apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
  I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these purposes.
 there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
 and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
 apprciated.
 
 
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RE: new member

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other countries,
but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.  Macs haven't
penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as windows-based Pcs.
Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers on the actual OS
itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The fact that the
trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform, and then
educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it pretty
certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and other
badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.
 
It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.
 
Dónal

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert
Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member


Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:


For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.



Sign,
Joe Plummer ( JP )
joeplum...@tds.net


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member

Hello Denise,

I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
Office for Mac is not accessible.

As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read these
just fine.

I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows user.

Cheers,

Anne

On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:

 hello,
 after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book
pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
 i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
 i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
 I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these purposes.
there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
apprciated.


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Re: new member

[Ricardo Walker]

I think it's happening slowly already.  It is just a more cost effective 
solution than windows computers with the price of a screenreader  thrown in.  
The transition will take a while because contracts need to be fulfilled and 
such other things.  Then we will see thee Mac more in schools, government 
agencies and the like. 
On Apr 15, 2010, at 5:46 AM, Rob Lambert wrote:

 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:
 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.
 
 
 
 Sign,
 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 joeplum...@tds.net
 
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 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Hello Denise,
 
 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.
 
 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read these
 just fine.
 
 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows user.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:
 
  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
 stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
 apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
  I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these purposes.
 there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
 and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
 apprciated.
 
 
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Re: new member

[Rob Lambert]

I think the same is true here in the states, though it seems to be changing,
I think.

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:55 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.comwrote:

 I think it's happening slowly already.  It is just a more cost effective
 solution than windows computers with the price of a screenreader  thrown in.
  The transition will take a while because contracts need to be fulfilled and
 such other things.  Then we will see thee Mac more in schools, government
 agencies and the like.
 On Apr 15, 2010, at 5:46 AM, Rob Lambert wrote:

 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices?

 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:

 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.



 Sign,
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 joeplum...@tds.net

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member

 Hello Denise,

 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.

 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read
 these
 just fine.

 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows
 user.

 Cheers,

 Anne

 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:

  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac
 book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
 stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
 apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
  I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these
 purposes.
 there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
 and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
 apprciated.
 
 
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Re: new member

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi Donald,

I disagree.  I think economics will come in to play in the next 3 to 5 years.  
The cost of getting a Mac will justify it being looked into as a viable option 
for agencies.  There are more blind Mac users every day.  I live in New York 
City and got my first experience to a Mac at a course in intro to the Mac and 
voiceover as well as garageband I took in the summer of 2008 at the Lighthouse. 
 I assume such courses will catch on in the future.   
On Apr 15, 2010, at 5:54 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

 I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other countries, 
 but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.  Macs haven't 
 penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as windows-based Pcs.  
 Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers on the actual OS 
 itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The fact that the 
 trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform, and then 
 educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it pretty 
 certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and other 
 badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.
  
 It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.
  
 Dónal
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert
 Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:
 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.
 
 
 
 Sign,
 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 joeplum...@tds.net
 
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 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Hello Denise,
 
 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.
 
 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read these
 just fine.
 
 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows user.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:
 
  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
 stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
 apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
  I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these purposes.
 there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
 and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
 apprciated.
 
 
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RE: new member

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Ricardo I am delighted to hear that's the case, however here I can't see it
happening for quite some time.  Only the techie people are using iPhones,
and even then it's happening by word-of-mouth.  Blind people using the Mac
is almost unheard of over here.
 
Bring on the revolution! smile

  _  

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: 15 April 2010 11:02
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member


Hi Donald, 

I disagree.  I think economics will come in to play in the next 3 to 5
years.  The cost of getting a Mac will justify it being looked into as a
viable option for agencies.  There are more blind Mac users every day.  I
live in New York City and got my first experience to a Mac at a course in
intro to the Mac and voiceover as well as garageband I took in the summer of
2008 at the Lighthouse.  I assume such courses will catch on in the future.


On Apr 15, 2010, at 5:54 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:


I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other countries,
but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.  Macs haven't
penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as windows-based Pcs.
Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers on the actual OS
itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The fact that the
trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform, and then
educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it pretty
certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and other
badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.
 
It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.
 
Dónal

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert
Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member


Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:


For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.



Sign,
Joe Plummer ( JP )
joeplum...@tds.net


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member

Hello Denise,

I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
Office for Mac is not accessible.

As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read these
just fine.

I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows user.

Cheers,

Anne

On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:

 hello,
 after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book
pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
 i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
 i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
 I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these purposes.
there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
apprciated.


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Re: new member

[Rob Lambert]

My theory is this: The more Mac users, the better. It will drive the other
guys to come up with the same thing for their system, where you could walk
up to a Windows PC, and press a button, and it starts talking. Narrator
doesn't count. LOL

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick 
dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote:

  Ricardo I am delighted to hear that's the case, however here I can't see
 it happening for quite some time.  Only the techie people are using
 iPhones, and even then it's happening by word-of-mouth.  Blind people using
 the Mac is almost unheard of over here.

 Bring on the revolution! smile

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 macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ricardo Walker
 *Sent:* 15 April 2010 11:02

 *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: new member

 Hi Donald,

 I disagree.  I think economics will come in to play in the next 3 to 5
 years.  The cost of getting a Mac will justify it being looked into as a
 viable option for agencies.  There are more blind Mac users every day.  I
 live in New York City and got my first experience to a Mac at a course in
 intro to the Mac and voiceover as well as garageband I took in the summer of
 2008 at the Lighthouse.  I assume such courses will catch on in the future.

  On Apr 15, 2010, at 5:54 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

  I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other
 countries, but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.
 Macs haven't penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as
 windows-based Pcs.  Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers
 on the actual OS itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The
 fact that the trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform,
 and then educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it
 pretty certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and
 other badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.

 It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.

 Dónal

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 macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob Lambert
 *Sent:* 15 April 2010 10:47
 *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: new member

 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices?

 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:

 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.



 Sign,
 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 joeplum...@tds.net

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member

 Hello Denise,

 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.

 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read
 these
 just fine.

 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows
 user.

 Cheers,

 Anne

 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:

  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac
 book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
 stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
 apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
  I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these
 purposes.
 there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
 and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
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Re: new member

[marie Howarth]

I think it all depends on the user and their attitude too. An individual may 
hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user with a mac who is also VI, 
and take themselves off to the Apple store. In manchester, I know due to myself 
and a few other VI customers, most of the staff in the store are highly 
familiar with voice over. As for training, I think its coming from Apple in the 
near future. 

On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

 I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other countries, 
 but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.  Macs haven't 
 penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as windows-based Pcs.  
 Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers on the actual OS 
 itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The fact that the 
 trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform, and then 
 educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it pretty 
 certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and other 
 badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.
  
 It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.
  
 Dónal
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert
 Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:
 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.
 
 
 
 Sign,
 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 joeplum...@tds.net
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Hello Denise,
 
 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.
 
 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read these
 just fine.
 
 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows user.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:
 
  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
 stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
 apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
  I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these purposes.
 there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
 and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
 apprciated.
 
 
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Re: new member

[Rob Lambert]

I agree. Only time will tell, of course. Who better to train people on their
products than Apple themselves? I haven't used it, but I do like their
one-to-one service, and my hope is they've set aside some staff that have
been trained in VoiceOver for us. If not, they should.

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM, marie Howarth marie.jane2...@gmail.comwrote:

 I think it all depends on the user and their attitude too. An individual
 may hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user with a mac who is
 also VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In manchester, I know
 due to myself and a few other VI customers, most of the staff in the store
 are highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I think its coming
 from Apple in the near future.

 On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

  I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other
 countries, but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.
 Macs haven't penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as
 windows-based Pcs.  Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers
 on the actual OS itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The
 fact that the trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform,
 and then educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it
 pretty certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and
 other badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.

 It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.

 Dónal

  --
 *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob Lambert
 *Sent:* 15 April 2010 10:47
 *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: new member

 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices?

 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:

 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.



 Sign,
 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 joeplum...@tds.net

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member

 Hello Denise,

 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.

 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read
 these
 just fine.

 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows
 user.

 Cheers,

 Anne

 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:

  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac
 book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
 stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
 apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
  I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these
 purposes.
 there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
 and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
 apprciated.
 
 
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Re: new member

[marie Howarth]

I know in my local store, there are two designated VO trainers and other staff 
constantly tell me they have played with VO on varying products. I think where 
there is a demand for it it will happen. Apple is extremely flexible. :)

On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:27, Rob Lambert wrote:

 I agree. Only time will tell, of course. Who better to train people on their 
 products than Apple themselves? I haven't used it, but I do like their 
 one-to-one service, and my hope is they've set aside some staff that have 
 been trained in VoiceOver for us. If not, they should. 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM, marie Howarth marie.jane2...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I think it all depends on the user and their attitude too. An individual may 
 hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user with a mac who is also 
 VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In manchester, I know due to 
 myself and a few other VI customers, most of the staff in the store are 
 highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I think its coming from 
 Apple in the near future. 
 
 On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other countries, 
 but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.  Macs haven't 
 penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as windows-based Pcs.  
 Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers on the actual OS 
 itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The fact that the 
 trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform, and then 
 educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it pretty 
 certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and other 
 badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.
  
 It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.
  
 Dónal
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert
 Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:
 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.
 
 
 
 Sign,
 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 joeplum...@tds.net
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Hello Denise,
 
 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.
 
 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read these
 just fine.
 
 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows user.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:
 
  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
 stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
 apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
  I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these purposes.
 there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
 and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
 apprciated.
 
 
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Re: new member

[Rob Lambert]

That's what I love about Apple. :)

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:30 AM, marie Howarth marie.jane2...@gmail.comwrote:

 I know in my local store, there are two designated VO trainers and other
 staff constantly tell me they have played with VO on varying products. I
 think where there is a demand for it it will happen. Apple is extremely
 flexible. :)

 On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:27, Rob Lambert wrote:

 I agree. Only time will tell, of course. Who better to train people on
 their products than Apple themselves? I haven't used it, but I do like their
 one-to-one service, and my hope is they've set aside some staff that have
 been trained in VoiceOver for us. If not, they should.

 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM, marie Howarth 
 marie.jane2...@gmail.comwrote:

 I think it all depends on the user and their attitude too. An individual
 may hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user with a mac who is
 also VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In manchester, I know
 due to myself and a few other VI customers, most of the staff in the store
 are highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I think its coming
 from Apple in the near future.

 On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

  I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other
 countries, but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.
 Macs haven't penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as
 windows-based Pcs.  Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers
 on the actual OS itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The
 fact that the trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform,
 and then educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it
 pretty certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and
 other badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.

 It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.

 Dónal

  --
 *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob Lambert
 *Sent:* 15 April 2010 10:47
 *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: new member

 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices?

 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:

 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.



 Sign,
 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 joeplum...@tds.net

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member

 Hello Denise,

 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since
 MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.

 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read
 these
 just fine.

 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows
 user.

 Cheers,

 Anne

 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:

  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac
 book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig
 of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
 stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
 apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
  I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these
 purposes.
 there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
 and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
 apprciated.
 
 
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Re: new member

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I think it has to start with agencies for the blind and the educational system. 
 As an adult it's easy enough to just get up and go to an apple store, or have 
the money to pay for 1 on 1 training at said apple store.  But a 12 year old 
not so much.  I think younger people must be exposed to other options.  It 
doesn't even have anything to do with how great Apple is.  It's just creating a 
market where people can obtain access to the technology they need without 
selling their first born.  lol.  If anything, I think Apple has started to make 
makers of adaptive technology squirm a bit.  It becomes harder for them to 
justified the cost of their products.
On Apr 15, 2010, at 6:30 AM, marie Howarth wrote:

 I know in my local store, there are two designated VO trainers and other 
 staff constantly tell me they have played with VO on varying products. I 
 think where there is a demand for it it will happen. Apple is extremely 
 flexible. :)
 
 On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:27, Rob Lambert wrote:
 
 I agree. Only time will tell, of course. Who better to train people on their 
 products than Apple themselves? I haven't used it, but I do like their 
 one-to-one service, and my hope is they've set aside some staff that have 
 been trained in VoiceOver for us. If not, they should. 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM, marie Howarth marie.jane2...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I think it all depends on the user and their attitude too. An individual may 
 hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user with a mac who is also 
 VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In manchester, I know due to 
 myself and a few other VI customers, most of the staff in the store are 
 highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I think its coming from 
 Apple in the near future. 
 
 On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other 
 countries, but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually  sighted.  
 Macs haven't penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as 
 windows-based Pcs.  Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers 
 on the actual OS itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The 
 fact that the trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform, 
 and then educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it 
 pretty certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and 
 other badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.
  
 It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.
  
 Dónal
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert
 Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:
 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.
 
 
 
 Sign,
 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 joeplum...@tds.net
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Hello Denise,
 
 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.
 
 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read these
 just fine.
 
 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows user.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:
 
  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
 stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
 apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
  I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these purposes.
 there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
 and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
 apprciated.
 
 
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Re: new member

[marie Howarth]

Without the support of the blind organisations, most school systems, at least 
here, wouldn't dream of venturing into something the blind organisation 
wouldn't support.

On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:43, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I think it has to start with agencies for the blind and the educational 
 system.  As an adult it's easy enough to just get up and go to an apple 
 store, or have the money to pay for 1 on 1 training at said apple store.  But 
 a 12 year old not so much.  I think younger people must be exposed to other 
 options.  It doesn't even have anything to do with how great Apple is.  It's 
 just creating a market where people can obtain access to the technology they 
 need without selling their first born.  lol.  If anything, I think Apple has 
 started to make makers of adaptive technology squirm a bit.  It becomes 
 harder for them to justified the cost of their products.
 On Apr 15, 2010, at 6:30 AM, marie Howarth wrote:
 
 I know in my local store, there are two designated VO trainers and other 
 staff constantly tell me they have played with VO on varying products. I 
 think where there is a demand for it it will happen. Apple is extremely 
 flexible. :)
 
 On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:27, Rob Lambert wrote:
 
 I agree. Only time will tell, of course. Who better to train people on 
 their products than Apple themselves? I haven't used it, but I do like 
 their one-to-one service, and my hope is they've set aside some staff that 
 have been trained in VoiceOver for us. If not, they should. 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM, marie Howarth marie.jane2...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I think it all depends on the user and their attitude too. An individual 
 may hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user with a mac who is 
 also VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In manchester, I know 
 due to myself and a few other VI customers, most of the staff in the store 
 are highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I think its coming 
 from Apple in the near future. 
 
 On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other 
 countries, but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.  
 Macs haven't penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as 
 windows-based Pcs.  Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers 
 on the actual OS itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The 
 fact that the trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new 
 platform, and then educate themselves in a new style of assistive 
 technology makes it pretty certain that the majority of blind users will 
 be stuck with Jaws and other badly implemented screenreaders for the 
 foreseeable future.
  
 It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.
  
 Dónal
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob  Lambert
 Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:
 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.
 
 
 
 Sign,
 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 joeplum...@tds.net
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Hello Denise,
 
 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.
 
 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read 
 these
 just fine.
 
 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows 
 user.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:
 
  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
 stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
 apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
  I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these purposes.
 there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
 and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
 apprciated.
 
 
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Re: new member

[Rob Lambert]

Very valid point, Ricardo. I agree whole heartedly.

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 I think it has to start with agencies for the blind and the educational
 system.  As an adult it's easy enough to just get up and go to an apple
 store, or have the money to pay for 1 on 1 training at said apple store.
  But a 12 year old not so much.  I think younger people must be exposed to
 other options.  It doesn't even have anything to do with how great Apple is.
  It's just creating a market where people can obtain access to the
 technology they need without selling their first born.  lol.  If anything, I
 think Apple has started to make makers of adaptive technology squirm a bit.
  It becomes harder for them to justified the cost of their products.

 On Apr 15, 2010, at 6:30 AM, marie Howarth wrote:

 I know in my local store, there are two designated VO trainers and other
 staff constantly tell me they have played with VO on varying products. I
 think where there is a demand for it it will happen. Apple is extremely
 flexible. :)

 On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:27, Rob Lambert wrote:

 I agree. Only time will tell, of course. Who better to train people on
 their products than Apple themselves? I haven't used it, but I do like their
 one-to-one service, and my hope is they've set aside some staff that have
 been trained in VoiceOver for us. If not, they should.

 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM, marie Howarth 
 marie.jane2...@gmail.comwrote:

 I think it all depends on the user and their attitude too. An individual
 may hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user with a mac who is
 also VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In manchester, I know
 due to myself and a few other VI customers, most of the staff in the store
 are highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I think its coming
 from Apple in the near future.

 On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

  I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other
 countries, but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.
 Macs haven't penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as
 windows-based Pcs.  Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers
 on the actual OS itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The
 fact that the trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform,
 and then educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it
 pretty certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and
 other badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.

 It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.

 Dónal

  --
 *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob Lambert
 *Sent:* 15 April 2010 10:47
 *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: new member

 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices?

 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:

 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.



 Sign,
 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 joeplum...@tds.net

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member

 Hello Denise,

 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since
 MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.

 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read
 these
 just fine.

 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows
 user.

 Cheers,

 Anne

 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:

  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac
 book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig
 of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
 stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
 apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
  I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these
 purposes.
 there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
 and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
 apprciated.
 
 
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Re: new member

[marie Howarth]

I've just done a little scouting around. And I was wrong. RNIB actually have 
offered training days for agencies, people with a VI and parents of children 
who are have VI children. They also list the IPhone on their accessible phones 
list. I guess the information has not filtered across to their organisation who 
carries out the support.
So I guess they acknowledge the fact but don't shout about it. 

On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:46, Rob Lambert wrote:

 Very valid point, Ricardo. I agree whole heartedly. 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I think it has to start with agencies for the blind and the educational 
 system.  As an adult it's easy enough to just get up and go to an apple 
 store, or have the money to pay for 1 on 1 training at said apple store.  But 
 a 12 year old not so much.  I think younger people must be exposed to other 
 options.  It doesn't even have anything to do with how great Apple is.  It's 
 just creating a market where people can obtain access to the technology they 
 need without selling their first born.  lol.  If anything, I think Apple has 
 started to make makers of adaptive technology squirm a bit.  It becomes 
 harder for them to justified the cost of their products.
 
 On Apr 15, 2010, at 6:30 AM, marie Howarth wrote:
 
 I know in my local store, there are two designated VO trainers and other 
 staff constantly tell me they have played with VO on varying products. I 
 think where there is a demand for it it will happen. Apple is extremely 
 flexible. :)
 
 On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:27, Rob Lambert wrote:
 
 I agree. Only time will tell, of course. Who better to train people on 
 their products than Apple themselves? I haven't used it, but I do like 
 their one-to-one service, and my hope is they've set aside some staff that 
 have been trained in VoiceOver for us. If not, they should. 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM, marie Howarth marie.jane2...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I think it all depends on the user and their attitude too. An individual 
 may hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user with a mac who is 
 also VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In manchester, I know 
 due to myself and a few other VI customers, most of the staff in the store 
 are highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I think its coming 
 from Apple in the near future. 
 
 On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other 
 countries, but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.  
 Macs haven't penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as 
 windows-based Pcs.  Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers 
 on the actual OS itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The 
 fact that the trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new 
 platform, and then educate themselves in a new style of assistive 
 technology makes it pretty certain that the majority of blind users will 
 be stuck with Jaws and other badly implemented screenreaders for the 
 foreseeable future.
  
 It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.
  
 Dónal
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert
 Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:
 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.
 
 
 
 Sign,
 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 joeplum...@tds.net
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Hello Denise,
 
 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.
 
 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read 
 these
 just fine.
 
 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows 
 user.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:
 
  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
 stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
 apple macs, still keep the formatting

RE: new member

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Very interesting that RNIB are offering those training days.  I don't think
the NCBI (Irish equivalent) do.  Referring back to a previous note on this
thread, you're quite correct that the guys at the Applestore in Manchester
are superb.  I'm over there rather a lot for religious (sorry soccer!)
reasons and I pop in there pretty much every trip to play with the toys and
look at the accessories I shouldn't buy but would love to have.  On each
occasion I've encountered people who knew the assistive products on macs and
iPhones.  Ah, wouldn't it be nice to have a local Apple store smile
 
Cheers
 
Dónal

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth
Sent: 15 April 2010 12:03
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member


I've just done a little scouting around. And I was wrong. RNIB actually have
offered training days for agencies, people with a VI and parents of children
who are have VI children. They also list the IPhone on their accessible
phones list. I guess the information has not filtered across to their
organisation who carries out the support. 
So I guess they acknowledge the fact but don't shout about it. 

On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:46, Rob Lambert wrote:


Very valid point, Ricardo. I agree whole heartedly. 


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com
wrote:


Hi, 

I think it has to start with agencies for the blind and the educational
system.  As an adult it's easy enough to just get up and go to an apple
store, or have the money to pay for 1 on 1 training at said apple store.
But a 12 year old not so much.  I think younger people must be exposed to
other options.  It doesn't even have anything to do with how great Apple is.
It's just creating a market where people can obtain access to the technology
they need without selling their first born.  lol.  If anything, I think
Apple has started to make makers of adaptive technology squirm a bit.  It
becomes harder for them to justified the cost of their products. 

On Apr 15, 2010, at 6:30 AM, marie Howarth wrote:


I know in my local store, there are two designated VO trainers and other
staff constantly tell me they have played with VO on varying products. I
think where there is a demand for it it will happen. Apple is extremely
flexible. :) 

On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:27, Rob Lambert wrote:


I agree. Only time will tell, of course. Who better to train people on their
products than Apple themselves? I haven't used it, but I do like their
one-to-one service, and my hope is they've set aside some staff that have
been trained in VoiceOver for us. If not, they should. 


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM, marie Howarth marie.jane2...@gmail.com
wrote:


I think it all depends on the user and their attitude too. An individual may
hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user with a mac who is also
VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In manchester, I know due to
myself and a few other VI customers, most of the staff in the store are
highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I think its coming from
Apple in the near future.  

On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:


I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other countries,
but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.  Macs haven't
penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as windows-based Pcs.
Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers on the actual OS
itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The fact that the
trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform, and then
educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it pretty
certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and other
badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.
 
It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.
 
Dónal

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert
Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member


Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:


For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.



Sign,
Joe Plummer ( JP )
joeplum...@tds.net


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member

Hello Denise,

I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
Office for Mac is not accessible.

As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read these
just fine.

I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows user.

Cheers,

Anne

On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote

Re: new member

[marie Howarth]

They are my local apple store and I love the guys in there! Just last Monday I 
popped into play with a mac. I'm planning on getting a new macbook later this 
year and was playing with the track pad in the store. Always so helpful and 
friendly. :)

On 15 Apr 2010, at 12:12, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

 Very interesting that RNIB are offering those training days.  I don't think 
 the NCBI (Irish equivalent) do.  Referring back to a previous note on this 
 thread, you're quite correct that the guys at the Applestore in Manchester 
 are superb.  I'm over there rather a lot for religious (sorry soccer!) 
 reasons and I pop in there pretty much every trip to play with the toys and 
 look at the accessories I shouldn't buy but would love to have.  On each 
 occasion I've encountered people who knew the assistive products on macs and 
 iPhones.  Ah, wouldn't it be nice to have a local Apple store smile
  
 Cheers
  
 Dónal
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth
 Sent: 15 April 2010 12:03
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 I've just done a little scouting around. And I was wrong. RNIB actually have 
 offered training days for agencies, people with a VI and parents of children 
 who are have VI children. They also list the IPhone on their accessible 
 phones list. I guess the information has not filtered across to their 
 organisation who carries out the support.
 So I guess they acknowledge the fact but don't shout about it. 
 
 On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:46, Rob Lambert wrote:
 
 Very valid point, Ricardo. I agree whole heartedly. 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I think it has to start with agencies for the blind and the educational 
 system.  As an adult it's easy enough to just get up and go to an apple 
 store, or have the money to pay for 1 on 1 training at said apple store.  
 But a 12 year old not so much.  I think younger people must be exposed to 
 other options.  It doesn't even have anything to do with how great Apple is. 
  It's just creating a market where people can obtain access to the 
 technology they need without selling their first born.  lol.  If anything, I 
 think Apple has started to make makers of adaptive technology squirm a bit.  
 It becomes harder for them to justified the cost of their products.
 
 On Apr 15, 2010, at 6:30 AM, marie Howarth wrote:
 
 I know in my local store, there are two designated VO trainers and other 
 staff constantly tell me they have played with VO on varying products. I 
 think where there is a demand for it it will happen. Apple is extremely 
 flexible. :)
 
 On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:27, Rob Lambert wrote:
 
 I agree. Only time will tell, of course. Who better to train people on 
 their products than Apple themselves? I haven't used it, but I do like 
 their one-to-one service, and my hope is they've set aside some staff that 
 have been trained in VoiceOver for us. If not, they should. 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM, marie Howarth marie.jane2...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I think it all depends on the user and their attitude too. An individual 
 may hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user with a mac who is 
 also VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In manchester, I know 
 due to myself and a few other VI customers, most of the staff in the store 
 are highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I think its coming 
 from Apple in the near future. 
 
 On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other 
 countries, but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted. 
  Macs haven't penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as 
 windows-based Pcs.  Consequently the level of knowledge among the 
 trainers on the actual OS itself (not including VO) is virtually non 
 existent.  The fact that the trainers would have to go and learn an 
 entirely new platform, and then educate themselves in a new style of 
 assistive technology makes it pretty certain that the majority of blind 
 users will be stuck with Jaws and other badly implemented screenreaders 
 for the foreseeable future.
  
 It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.
  
 Dónal
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of  Rob 
 Lambert
 Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:
 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.
 
 
 
 Sign,
 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 joeplum...@tds.net
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5

Re: new member

[Kaare Dehard]

I don't know, most work environments are anal regarding what they want in the 
offices, I see apple taking a larger share, but the twirps who use windows 
especially for dhcp serving love their products with the ferver that they claim 
we do; and will contue to worship at the wishing well of willy. 
On 2010-04-15, at 5:46 AM, Rob Lambert wrote:

 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:
 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.
 
 
 
 Sign,
 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 joeplum...@tds.net
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Hello Denise,
 
 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.
 
 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read these
 just fine.
 
 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows user.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:
 
  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
 stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
 apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
  I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these purposes.
 there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
 and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
 apprciated.
 
 
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Re: new member

[Kaare Dehard]

In my case 8t was like Marie said, I heard about it in a podcast, and was just 
starting to shop for new equip. Right time righyt place, and access to fly one 
for an hour to see were the tipping points.

On 2010-04-15, at 6:24 AM, marie Howarth wrote:

 I think it all depends on the user and their attitude too. An individual may 
 hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user with a mac who is also 
 VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In manchester, I know due to 
 myself and a few other VI customers, most of the staff in the store are 
 highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I think its coming from 
 Apple in the near future. 
 
 On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other countries, 
 but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.  Macs haven't 
 penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as windows-based Pcs.  
 Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers on the actual OS 
 itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The fact that the 
 trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform, and then 
 educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it pretty 
 certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and other 
 badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.
  
 It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.
  
 Dónal
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert
 Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:
 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.
 
 
 
 Sign,
 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 joeplum...@tds.net
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Hello Denise,
 
 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.
 
 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read these
 just fine.
 
 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows user.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:
 
  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
 stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
 apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
  I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these purposes.
 there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
 and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
 apprciated.
 
 
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Re: new member

[olivia norman]

Good news! I am so glad that people are waking up to apple!
Olivia
On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:02 AM, marie Howarth wrote:

 I've just done a little scouting around. And I was wrong. RNIB actually have 
 offered training days for agencies, people with a VI and parents of children 
 who are have VI children. They also list the IPhone on their accessible 
 phones list. I guess the information has not filtered across to their 
 organisation who carries out the support.
 So I guess they acknowledge the fact but don't shout about it. 
 
 On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:46, Rob Lambert wrote:
 
 Very valid point, Ricardo. I agree whole heartedly. 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I think it has to start with agencies for the blind and the educational 
 system.  As an adult it's easy enough to just get up and go to an apple 
 store, or have the money to pay for 1 on 1 training at said apple store.  
 But a 12 year old not so much.  I think younger people must be exposed to 
 other options.  It doesn't even have anything to do with how great Apple is. 
  It's just creating a market where people can obtain access to the 
 technology they need without selling their first born.  lol.  If anything, I 
 think Apple has started to make makers of adaptive technology squirm a bit.  
 It becomes harder for them to justified the cost of their products.
 
 On Apr 15, 2010, at 6:30 AM, marie Howarth wrote:
 
 I know in my local store, there are two designated VO trainers and other 
 staff constantly tell me they have played with VO on varying products. I 
 think where there is a demand for it it will happen. Apple is extremely 
 flexible. :)
 
 On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:27, Rob Lambert wrote:
 
 I agree. Only time will tell, of course. Who better to train people on 
 their products than Apple themselves? I haven't used it, but I do like 
 their one-to-one service, and my hope is they've set aside some staff that 
 have been trained in VoiceOver for us. If not, they should. 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM, marie Howarth marie.jane2...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I think it all depends on the user and their attitude too. An individual 
 may hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user with a mac who is 
 also VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In manchester, I know 
 due to myself and a few other VI customers, most of the staff in the store 
 are highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I think its coming 
 from Apple in the near future. 
 
 On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other 
 countries, but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted. 
  Macs haven't penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as 
 windows-based Pcs.  Consequently the level of knowledge among the 
 trainers on the actual OS itself (not including VO) is virtually non 
 existent.  The fact that the trainers would have to go and learn an 
 entirely new platform, and then educate themselves in a new style of 
 assistive technology makes it pretty certain that the majority of blind 
 users will be stuck with Jaws and other badly implemented screenreaders 
 for the foreseeable future.
  
 It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.
  
 Dónal
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert
 Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:
 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.
 
 
 
 Sign,
 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 joeplum...@tds.net
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Hello Denise,
 
 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.
 
 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read 
 these
 just fine.
 
 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows 
 user.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:
 
  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac 
 book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook

Re: new member

[olivia norman]

That's one of the things I love about apple. My hero, Steve Jobs, once said, 
innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower and he is correct. 
Interesting that you have two dedicated VO trainers in your apple store in the 
UK.  No one at my local store here in the US is a dedicated VO trainer, though 
several staff have played with the product that I've come across.
Olivia
On Apr 15, 2010, at 6:31 AM, Rob Lambert wrote:

 That's what I love about Apple. :)
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:30 AM, marie Howarth marie.jane2...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I know in my local store, there are two designated VO trainers and other 
 staff constantly tell me they have played with VO on varying products. I 
 think where there is a demand for it it will happen. Apple is extremely 
 flexible. :)
 
 On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:27, Rob Lambert wrote:
 
 I agree. Only time will tell, of course. Who better to train people on their 
 products than Apple themselves? I haven't used it, but I do like their 
 one-to-one service, and my hope is they've set aside some staff that have 
 been trained in VoiceOver for us. If not, they should. 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM, marie Howarth marie.jane2...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I think it all depends on the user and their attitude too. An individual may 
 hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user with a mac who is also 
 VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In manchester, I know due to 
 myself and a few other VI customers, most of the staff in the store are 
 highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I think its coming from 
 Apple in the near future. 
 
 On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other 
 countries, but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.  
 Macs haven't penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as 
 windows-based Pcs.  Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers 
 on the actual OS itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The 
 fact that the trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform, 
 and then educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it 
 pretty certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and 
 other badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.
  
 It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.
  
 Dónal
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob  Lambert
 Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:
 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.
 
 
 
 Sign,
 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 joeplum...@tds.net
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Hello Denise,
 
 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.
 
 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read these
 just fine.
 
 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows user.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:
 
  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
 stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
 apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
  I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these purposes.
 there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
 and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
 apprciated.
 
 
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Re: new member

[olivia norman]

I agree.  I'd still stick with mac, but being able to push a button on a 
windows machine would create some consumer choice, which is always a good thing 
:)

On Apr 15, 2010, at 6:10 AM, Rob Lambert wrote:

 My theory is this: The more Mac users, the better. It will drive the other 
 guys to come up with the same thing for their system, where you could walk up 
 to a Windows PC, and press a button, and it starts talking. Narrator doesn't 
 count. LOL 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick 
 dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote:
 Ricardo I am delighted to hear that's the case, however here I can't see it 
 happening for quite some time.  Only the techie people are using iPhones, 
 and even then it's happening by word-of-mouth.  Blind people  using the Mac 
 is almost unheard of over here.
  
 Bring on the revolution! smile
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
 Sent: 15 April 2010 11:02
 
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Hi Donald,
 
 I disagree.  I think economics will come in to play in the next 3 to 5 years. 
  The cost of getting a Mac will justify it being looked into as a viable 
 option for agencies.  There are more blind Mac users every day.  I live in 
 New York City and got my first experience to a Mac at a course in intro to 
 the Mac and voiceover as well as garageband I took in the summer of 2008 at 
 the Lighthouse.  I assume such courses will catch on in the future.   
 On Apr 15, 2010, at 5:54 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other countries, 
 but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.  Macs haven't 
 penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as windows-based Pcs.  
 Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers on the actual OS 
 itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The fact that the 
 trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform, and then 
 educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it pretty 
 certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and other 
 badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.
  
 It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.
  
 Dónal
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert
 Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:
 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.
 
 
 
 Sign,
 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 joeplum...@tds.net
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Hello Denise,
 
 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.
 
 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read these
 just fine.
 
 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows user.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:
 
  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
 stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
 apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
  I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these purposes.
 there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
 and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
 apprciated.
 
 
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Re: new member

[olivia norman]

I'm optomistic that this will slowly become the case as companies and agencies 
gradually realize apple's full potential.  
Olivia
On Apr 15, 2010, at 5:46 AM, Rob Lambert wrote:

 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:
 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.
 
 
 
 Sign,
 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 joeplum...@tds.net
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Hello Denise,
 
 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.
 
 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read these
 just fine.
 
 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows user.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:
 
  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
 stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
 apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
  I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these purposes.
 there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
 and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
 apprciated.
 
 
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Re: new member

[marie Howarth]

same thing for me too. I wanted a nano when I heard the accessibility was 
available there. In order to run a nano however, I would need to update my 
Screen reader. We all know the price range I was looking at and to boot I 
needed a new laptop. So when I heard a podcast about the nano and discovered 
the demo was being done with a mac and by a blind mac user at that, my interest 
grew. I knew of voice over, and indeed, had trialed it back in 2005 but the 
people I was trialling with were not familiar with the OS themselves and were 
doing the whole thing from a manual. I was frustrated and was glad to get back 
to the windows side. But when I entered the Apple store, after much research 
about voice over, I put my hands on the mac and I knew this was extremely 
possible. Yes, I wasn't an early adopter but I've been a faithful mac user 
since October 2008 and I don't touch my ancient windows machine ever now. It's 
here, but simply because no one I know wants it. lol
I think the world of the web is helping more and more, yes, adult users become 
familiar with the options and that is a great thing. after all, whatever works 
for you as an individual is what is best.

On 15 Apr 2010, at 12:55, Kaare Dehard wrote:

 In my case 8t was like Marie said, I heard about it in a podcast, and was 
 just starting to shop for new equip. Right time righyt place, and access to 
 fly one for an hour to see were the tipping points.
 
 On 2010-04-15, at 6:24 AM, marie Howarth wrote:
 
 I think it all depends on the user and their attitude too. An individual may 
 hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user with a mac who is also 
 VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In manchester, I know due to 
 myself and a few other VI customers, most of the staff in the store are 
 highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I think its coming from 
 Apple in the near future. 
 
 On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other 
 countries, but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.  
 Macs haven't penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as 
 windows-based Pcs.  Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers 
 on the actual OS itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The 
 fact that the trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform, 
 and then educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it 
 pretty certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and 
 other badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.
  
 It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.
  
 Dónal
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert
 Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:
 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.
 
 
 
 Sign,
 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 joeplum...@tds.net
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Hello Denise,
 
 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.
 
 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read these
 just fine.
 
 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows user.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:
 
  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
 stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
 apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
  I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these purposes.
 there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
 and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
 apprciated.
 
 
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Re: new member

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Actually, if you take the price of a pretty decent, professional desktop or 
laptop, then throw in a JAWS pro license which is $1095, you've got two 
Macbooks, mostly, and then some.

I know a couple of agencies in Denmark that are experimenting with the Mac, and 
they got an iPhone a little wile ago, to.

Regards,
Nic
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On Apr 15, 2010, at 11:57 AM, Rob Lambert wrote:

 I think the same is true here in the states, though it seems to be changing, 
 I think. 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:55 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think it's happening slowly already.  It is just a more cost effective 
 solution than windows computers with the price of a screenreader  thrown in.  
 The transition will take a while because contracts need to be fulfilled and 
 such other things.  Then we will see thee Mac more in schools, government 
 agencies and the like. 
 On Apr 15, 2010, at 5:46 AM, Rob Lambert wrote:
 
 Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 
 
 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer joeplum...@tds.net wrote:
 For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.
 
 
 
 Sign,
 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 joeplum...@tds.net
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: new member
 
 Hello Denise,
 
 I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
 Office for Mac is not accessible.
 
 As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read these
 just fine.
 
 I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows user.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:
 
  hello,
  after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
 experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book
 pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
 ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
  i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
 one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
  i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
 other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
 stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
 apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
  I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these purposes.
 there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
 and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
 apprciated.
 
 
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