Re: usb keyboard

[Brad Snyder]

If you have four keys to the left of the  spacebar, it should be the third one 
from the far left. If you have three keys to the left of the spacebar, it's the 
one in the middle.

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On Nov 2, 2020, at 14:49, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I don't even know whichone the windows logo key is.

> On Nov 2, 2020, at 7:50 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> When using a Windows keyboard on a Mac, keep in mind that the Windows logo 
> key serves as the Command key, and the ALT key as the Option key.
> These keys can be remapped, but I’ve never bothered to do that.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 2, 2020, at 07:30, dan d.  wrote:
> 
> 
> Vo+k will bring up keyboard help. Pressing a key or combination will announce 
> its function.
> 
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2020, Lorie McCloud wrote:
> 
>> I ordered a keyboard for my Mac that said it can be used with either a Mac 
>> or a windows computer. it has 4 keys on each side of the spacebar. the one 
>> on the right at the end that I guess you'd call control is long. I don't 
>> know if that means it functions differently or not.which keys equate to 
>> what? in other words, how do I do things like interact?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
>> 
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Re: usb keyboard

[Loy Green]

On most Windows keyboards the far right key is the control key the next to 
left is usually context, and the next to left is windows key and next to 
spacebar is the alt key. To the left of the space bar is alt, the next to 
left is windows key and sometimes next key to left is a FN key, but not all 
keyboards have a FN key then the next to left is control key - Original 
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Subject: Re: usb keyboard


Hi!
I think the long key might be an fn or function key.
Don’t know though as i don’t know the name of the keyboard.
/A

> 1 nov. 2020 kl. 21:49 skrev Lorie McCloud :
>
> I ordered a keyboard for my Mac that said it can be used with either a Mac 
> or a windows computer. it has 4 keys on each side of the spacebar. the one 
> on the right at the end that I guess you'd call control is long. I don't 
> know if that means it functions differently or not.which keys equate to 
> what? in other words, how do I do things like interact?
>
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: usb keyboard

[Lorie McCloud]

I don't even know whichone the windows logo key is.

> On Nov 2, 2020, at 7:50 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> When using a Windows keyboard on a Mac, keep in mind that the Windows logo 
> key serves as the Command key, and the ALT key as the Option key.
> These keys can be remapped, but I’ve never bothered to do that.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 2, 2020, at 07:30, dan d.  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Vo+k will bring up keyboard help. Pressing a key or combination will announce 
> its function.
> 
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2020, Lorie McCloud wrote:
> 
>> I ordered a keyboard for my Mac that said it can be used with either a Mac 
>> or a windows computer. it has 4 keys on each side of the spacebar. the one 
>> on the right at the end that I guess you'd call control is long. I don't 
>> know if that means it functions differently or not.which keys equate to 
>> what? in other words, how do I do things like interact?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
>> 
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Re: usb keyboard

[Brad Snyder]

On a Windows keyboard, the Fn key is usually the second key from the far left 
end of the Spacebar row.

HTH.

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On Nov 2, 2020, at 14:05, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
I think the long key might be an fn or function key.
Don’t know though as i don’t know the name of the keyboard.
/A

> 1 nov. 2020 kl. 21:49 skrev Lorie McCloud :
> 
> I ordered a keyboard for my Mac that said it can be used with either a Mac or 
> a windows computer. it has 4 keys on each side of the spacebar. the one on 
> the right at the end that I guess you'd call control is long. I don't know if 
> that means it functions differently or not.which keys equate to what? in 
> other words, how do I do things like interact?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: usb keyboard

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I think the long key might be an fn or function key.
Don’t know though as i don’t know the name of the keyboard.
/A

> 1 nov. 2020 kl. 21:49 skrev Lorie McCloud :
> 
> I ordered a keyboard for my Mac that said it can be used with either a Mac or 
> a windows computer. it has 4 keys on each side of the spacebar. the one on 
> the right at the end that I guess you'd call control is long. I don't know if 
> that means it functions differently or not.which keys equate to what? in 
> other words, how do I do things like interact?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: usb keyboard

[Brad Snyder]

When using a Windows keyboard on a Mac, keep in mind that the Windows logo key 
serves as the Command key, and the ALT key as the Option key.
These keys can be remapped, but I’ve never bothered to do that.

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On Nov 2, 2020, at 07:30, dan d.  wrote:


Vo+k will bring up keyboard help. Pressing a key or combination will announce 
its function.

On Sun, 1 Nov 2020, Lorie McCloud wrote:

> I ordered a keyboard for my Mac that said it can be used with either a Mac or 
> a windows computer. it has 4 keys on each side of the spacebar. the one on 
> the right at the end that I guess you'd call control is long. I don't know if 
> that means it functions differently or not.which keys equate to what? in 
> other words, how do I do things like interact?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
> 

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Re: usb keyboard

[dan d.]

Vo+k will bring up keyboard help. Pressing a key or combination will announce 
its function.

On Sun, 1 Nov 2020, Lorie McCloud wrote:

> I ordered a keyboard for my Mac that said it can be used with either a Mac or 
> a windows computer. it has 4 keys on each side of the spacebar. the one on 
> the right at the end that I guess you'd call control is long. I don't know if 
> that means it functions differently or not.which keys equate to what? in 
> other words, how do I do things like interact?
>
> thanks.
> Lorie
>
>

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usb keyboard

[Lorie McCloud]

I ordered a keyboard for my Mac that said it can be used with either a Mac or a 
windows computer. it has 4 keys on each side of the spacebar. the one on the 
right at the end that I guess you'd call control is long. I don't know if that 
means it functions differently or not.which keys equate to what? in other 
words, how do I do things like interact?

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Oddities using a PC USB Keyboard with my Mini

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks to everyone who responding to my quandry. You're all the best!

I swapped the problematic USB keyboard for a different, a built more
substantially built 104 key PC keyboard. The Apple Wizzard recognized it
right away, and I've had no trouble with passwords or the missing @
symbol since!

That was a trip down memory lane, though. I now remember that the quote
mark was indeed the shift of 2 on the Smith-Corona typewriter on which I
first learned to type in the Minneapolis Public Schools back in the
1950's.

PS: We also didn't have a 1 key. Instead we typed lower case l. To make
the exclamation point we typed the apostrophe, backspaced, and added the
period.

Now, how could I forget all that??!

Best,

Janina

'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a standard, very standard (no extra keys) 104-key PC USB keyboard
> hooked up to my new Mac Mini. I'm using a StarTech KVM switch to control
> the Mac, my Linux desktop, and a Windows laptop with this keyboard.
> 
> Working the Mac with this keyboard works mostly, but the exceptions are
> significant enough that my full-size Apple BlueTooth keyboard is never
> too far away. Specifically:
> 
> * The Mac will not accept a password typed in the PC keyboard.
> * I've tried multiple times, but I don't try anymore because it's
> * a waste of time. If I need to type my keyboard, I need to use
> * the bt keyboard.
> 
> * I cannot type an email address with the PC keyboard because I
> * don't seem to have an @ symbol. Shifting 2 on the top row of the
> * qwerty gives me the double quote mark that's also available to
> * the left of the Enter key. Strange.
> 
> Any ideas? I confess the keyboard identification wizzard didn't
> automatically associate this device. I couldn't figure how and where to
> enter the keys it was looking for to auto identify it. I tried that
> twice, but am willing to give it another go if someone has some specific
> ideas about using that application.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
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RE: Oddities using a PC USB Keyboard with my Mini

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Janina,

I'm wondering if you have the standard keyboard setup correctly on your  mac 
mini?

 But what would be wrong with using your mac keyboard on the kvm switch 
It works with your mac and the windows computer,

 Mind you the windows keyboard should 
Work fine through the kvm also 

Try setting the kvm to start on the mac mini with the windows keyboard 
connected and see if you get the error that a non standard keyboard has been 
connected.

Then follow the prompts.
-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, 18 May 2020 8:31 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Oddities using a PC USB Keyboard with my Mini

Hi,

I have a standard, very standard (no extra keys) 104-key PC USB keyboard hooked 
up to my new Mac Mini. I'm using a StarTech KVM switch to control the Mac, my 
Linux desktop, and a Windows laptop with this keyboard.

Working the Mac with this keyboard works mostly, but the exceptions are 
significant enough that my full-size Apple BlueTooth keyboard is never too far 
away. Specifically:

*   The Mac will not accept a password typed in the PC keyboard.
*   I've tried multiple times, but I don't try anymore because it's
*   a waste of time. If I need to type my keyboard, I need to use
*   the bt keyboard.

*   I cannot type an email address with the PC keyboard because I
*   don't seem to have an @ symbol. Shifting 2 on the top row of the
*   qwerty gives me the double quote mark that's also available to
*   the left of the Enter key. Strange.

Any ideas? I confess the keyboard identification wizzard didn't automatically 
associate this device. I couldn't figure how and where to enter the keys it was 
looking for to auto identify it. I tried that twice, but am willing to give it 
another go if someone has some specific ideas about using that application.

Best,

Janina

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Re: Oddities using a PC USB Keyboard with my Mini

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

A couple of things to mention.  First, when using the keyboard detection app, 
it usually asks for you first to press the key immediately to the right of the 
left shift key.  That should be the “z” key.  Next it usually asks you to press 
the key immediately to the left of the right shift key, which on a North 
American keyboard is normally the slash/Question Mark key.  After pressing both 
those keys, it should announce what kind of keyboard it decided that it was.  
With respect to shift-2 giving you the double-quotes, that is because it thinks 
that you have a different keyboard than the standard one for some reason.  I 
can’t remember which one it is, but back in my typewriter days, yes, I’m that 
old, there were some typewriter configurations that had the double-quotes above 
the 2 and the @ sign was over beside the “l” or somewhere close to that.  I 
believe that some European keyboard layouts still do that sort of 
configuration, although I won’t swear to it.

Lastly, in the old days, back in the 90’s, Macs did not like you connecting the 
keyboard and mouse through a hub.  It actually often caused really odd problems 
with the system and sometimes even damaged things.  I’m not sure why, nor if 
that is still the case, and, the type of hub that you’re using should not 
behave the same anyway.  That condition was for actual hubs, not keyboard 
switchers like you’re using.

Like Brad mentioned, I suggest that you go back to the basics.  That is, plug 
the PC keyboard directly into the Mac, use the keyboard detection app to set it 
up, then see if it works properly.  If it does, then move on to trying it 
through your switcher.  If it behaves badly, try it in a different port on the 
switcher to see if it behaves any better.  If you still get no joy, there may 
be some incompatibility with that switcher.  Again, I’m not sure why, but it’s 
possible.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 17, 2020, at 7:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

It's worth a try, Brad. I'll do it and report whether it makes a
difference.

The whole point of the setup is to minimize the amount of input hardware
cluttering up my desk.I go back and forth between all three machines
frequently, probably several times an hour.

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:
> Have you tried connecting the keyboard directly to the Mac mini, and not 
> going through the hub unit?
> Just a thought.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On May 17, 2020, at 15:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a standard, very standard (no extra keys) 104-key PC USB keyboard
> hooked up to my new Mac Mini. I'm using a StarTech KVM switch to control
> the Mac, my Linux desktop, and a Windows laptop with this keyboard.
> 
> Working the Mac with this keyboard works mostly, but the exceptions are
> significant enough that my full-size Apple BlueTooth keyboard is never
> too far away. Specifically:
> 
> *The Mac will not accept a password typed in the PC keyboard.
> *I've tried multiple times, but I don't try anymore because it's
> *a waste of time. If I need to type my keyboard, I need to use
> *the bt keyboard.
> 
> *I cannot type an email address with the PC keyboard because I
> *don't seem to have an @ symbol. Shifting 2 on the top row of the
> *qwerty gives me the double quote mark that's also available to
> *the left of the Enter key. Strange.
> 
> Any ideas? I confess the keyboard identification wizzard didn't
> automatically associate this device. I couldn't figure how and where to
> enter the keys it was looking for to auto identify it. I tried that
> twice, but am willing to give it another go if someone has some specific
> ideas about using that application.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
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Re: Oddities using a PC USB Keyboard with my Mini

[Bradford Snyder]

Basic troubleshooting.  Remove all the extraneous variables, and see what 
results you get.
Next step would be to try a different USB keyboard and see what happens.

- Brad -



On May 17, 2020, at 20:23, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

It's worth a try, Brad. I'll do it and report whether it makes a
difference.

The whole point of the setup is to minimize the amount of input hardware
cluttering up my desk.I go back and forth between all three machines
frequently, probably several times an hour.

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:
> Have you tried connecting the keyboard directly to the Mac mini, and not 
> going through the hub unit?
> Just a thought.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On May 17, 2020, at 15:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a standard, very standard (no extra keys) 104-key PC USB keyboard
> hooked up to my new Mac Mini. I'm using a StarTech KVM switch to control
> the Mac, my Linux desktop, and a Windows laptop with this keyboard.
> 
> Working the Mac with this keyboard works mostly, but the exceptions are
> significant enough that my full-size Apple BlueTooth keyboard is never
> too far away. Specifically:
> 
> *The Mac will not accept a password typed in the PC keyboard.
> *I've tried multiple times, but I don't try anymore because it's
> *a waste of time. If I need to type my keyboard, I need to use
> *the bt keyboard.
> 
> *I cannot type an email address with the PC keyboard because I
> *don't seem to have an @ symbol. Shifting 2 on the top row of the
> *qwerty gives me the double quote mark that's also available to
> *the left of the Enter key. Strange.
> 
> Any ideas? I confess the keyboard identification wizzard didn't
> automatically associate this device. I couldn't figure how and where to
> enter the keys it was looking for to auto identify it. I tried that
> twice, but am willing to give it another go if someone has some specific
> ideas about using that application.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
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Re: Oddities using a PC USB Keyboard with my Mini

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

It's worth a try, Brad. I'll do it and report whether it makes a
difference.

The whole point of the setup is to minimize the amount of input hardware
cluttering up my desk.I go back and forth between all three machines
frequently, probably several times an hour.

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:
> Have you tried connecting the keyboard directly to the Mac mini, and not 
> going through the hub unit?
> Just a thought.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On May 17, 2020, at 15:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a standard, very standard (no extra keys) 104-key PC USB keyboard
> hooked up to my new Mac Mini. I'm using a StarTech KVM switch to control
> the Mac, my Linux desktop, and a Windows laptop with this keyboard.
> 
> Working the Mac with this keyboard works mostly, but the exceptions are
> significant enough that my full-size Apple BlueTooth keyboard is never
> too far away. Specifically:
> 
> *The Mac will not accept a password typed in the PC keyboard.
> *I've tried multiple times, but I don't try anymore because it's
> *a waste of time. If I need to type my keyboard, I need to use
> *the bt keyboard.
> 
> *I cannot type an email address with the PC keyboard because I
> *don't seem to have an @ symbol. Shifting 2 on the top row of the
> *qwerty gives me the double quote mark that's also available to
> *the left of the Enter key. Strange.
> 
> Any ideas? I confess the keyboard identification wizzard didn't
> automatically associate this device. I couldn't figure how and where to
> enter the keys it was looking for to auto identify it. I tried that
> twice, but am willing to give it another go if someone has some specific
> ideas about using that application.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> -- 
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Re: Oddities using a PC USB Keyboard with my Mini

[Brad Snyder]

Have you tried connecting the keyboard directly to the Mac mini, and not going 
through the hub unit?
Just a thought.

- Brad -

On May 17, 2020, at 15:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

I have a standard, very standard (no extra keys) 104-key PC USB keyboard
hooked up to my new Mac Mini. I'm using a StarTech KVM switch to control
the Mac, my Linux desktop, and a Windows laptop with this keyboard.

Working the Mac with this keyboard works mostly, but the exceptions are
significant enough that my full-size Apple BlueTooth keyboard is never
too far away. Specifically:

*The Mac will not accept a password typed in the PC keyboard.
*I've tried multiple times, but I don't try anymore because it's
*a waste of time. If I need to type my keyboard, I need to use
*the bt keyboard.

*I cannot type an email address with the PC keyboard because I
*don't seem to have an @ symbol. Shifting 2 on the top row of the
*qwerty gives me the double quote mark that's also available to
*the left of the Enter key. Strange.

Any ideas? I confess the keyboard identification wizzard didn't
automatically associate this device. I couldn't figure how and where to
enter the keys it was looking for to auto identify it. I tried that
twice, but am willing to give it another go if someone has some specific
ideas about using that application.

Best,

Janina

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Oddities using a PC USB Keyboard with my Mini

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I have a standard, very standard (no extra keys) 104-key PC USB keyboard
hooked up to my new Mac Mini. I'm using a StarTech KVM switch to control
the Mac, my Linux desktop, and a Windows laptop with this keyboard.

Working the Mac with this keyboard works mostly, but the exceptions are
significant enough that my full-size Apple BlueTooth keyboard is never
too far away. Specifically:

*   The Mac will not accept a password typed in the PC keyboard.
*   I've tried multiple times, but I don't try anymore because it's
*   a waste of time. If I need to type my keyboard, I need to use
*   the bt keyboard.

*   I cannot type an email address with the PC keyboard because I
*   don't seem to have an @ symbol. Shifting 2 on the top row of the
*   qwerty gives me the double quote mark that's also available to
*   the left of the Enter key. Strange.

Any ideas? I confess the keyboard identification wizzard didn't
automatically associate this device. I couldn't figure how and where to
enter the keys it was looking for to auto identify it. I tried that
twice, but am willing to give it another go if someone has some specific
ideas about using that application.

Best,

Janina

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Re: 3rd party USB keyboard, issues changing modifiers`

[Nickus de Vos]

Yes I restarted, I also tried a different USB keyboard but no luck.

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> On 03 Aug 2017, at 16:52, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Nickus,
> You may have done this but its the obvious question you didn't cover in the 
> email.
> Did you restart or completely shut down and re boot.
> Talk soon
> Chuck
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple!
> C.R.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all
>> I've been using generic 3rd party USB keyboards on my iMac for a long
>> time without any issues, swopping around the "option" and "command"
>> keys wworked as expected each time I had to do it after plugging in a
>> new or different keyboard.
>> 
>> I'm having issues doing this on my 2015 MacBook pro though, yesterday
>> I connected a external USB keyboard to it for the first time, and for
>> some reason the modifier change doesn't work. I do exactly the same as
>> on the iMac, go swop them around inside modifier keys under Keyboard
>> preferences but it doesn't work.
>> 
>> I make sure that I'm selecting the USB keyboard when swopping the
>> modifiers and then press "Ok" but it doesn't change, if I go back in
>> to the Modifier keys diolog it's set the way I changed it, but it
>> doesn't take effect.
>> 
>> Both my machines are running the latest Mac OS so that can't be the
>> issue, iMac is a 2013 and MBP is a 2015.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> Nickus
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Re: 3rd party USB keyboard, issues changing modifiers`

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Nickus,
You may have done this but its the obvious question you didn't cover in the 
email.
Did you restart or completely shut down and re boot.
Talk soon
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On Aug 3, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:

> Hi all
> I've been using generic 3rd party USB keyboards on my iMac for a long
> time without any issues, swopping around the "option" and "command"
> keys wworked as expected each time I had to do it after plugging in a
> new or different keyboard.
> 
> I'm having issues doing this on my 2015 MacBook pro though, yesterday
> I connected a external USB keyboard to it for the first time, and for
> some reason the modifier change doesn't work. I do exactly the same as
> on the iMac, go swop them around inside modifier keys under Keyboard
> preferences but it doesn't work.
> 
> I make sure that I'm selecting the USB keyboard when swopping the
> modifiers and then press "Ok" but it doesn't change, if I go back in
> to the Modifier keys diolog it's set the way I changed it, but it
> doesn't take effect.
> 
> Both my machines are running the latest Mac OS so that can't be the
> issue, iMac is a 2013 and MBP is a 2015.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Nickus
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3rd party USB keyboard, issues changing modifiers`

[Nickus de Vos]

Hi all
I've been using generic 3rd party USB keyboards on my iMac for a long
time without any issues, swopping around the "option" and "command"
keys wworked as expected each time I had to do it after plugging in a
new or different keyboard.

I'm having issues doing this on my 2015 MacBook pro though, yesterday
I connected a external USB keyboard to it for the first time, and for
some reason the modifier change doesn't work. I do exactly the same as
on the iMac, go swop them around inside modifier keys under Keyboard
preferences but it doesn't work.

I make sure that I'm selecting the USB keyboard when swopping the
modifiers and then press "Ok" but it doesn't change, if I go back in
to the Modifier keys diolog it's set the way I changed it, but it
doesn't take effect.

Both my machines are running the latest Mac OS so that can't be the
issue, iMac is a 2013 and MBP is a 2015.

Any ideas?

Nickus

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Re: USB Keyboard Not Working well on Login Screen Since Most recent oS Update

[Teresa Cochran]

Ok, Tim, I'll keep it in mind. Thanks.  had this problem before when waking up 
the computer, but never on the initial login screen.

Teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Feb 27, 2014, at 8:59 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I think that this has something to do with another screen gaining VO focus.  
 The Login screen is usually totally accessible if you attempt to use it right 
 away.  If your Mac has gone to sleep or if a Screensaver has activated, then 
 you need to either click a mouse or trackpad to bring focus to the Login 
 screen.  I've mostly noticed this on Desktop machines, MacBook Pros and 
 MacBook Airs seem to not have the same issue.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Feb 27, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi, all,
 
 I've noticed that on the login screen, I can't navigate to interact and find 
 the username field, etc. Once I use the Magic Trackpad, I can type in the 
 password field just fine. Would there be a way to troubleshoot this that 
 anyone knows of?
 
 thanks,
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USB Keyboard Not Working well on Login Screen Since Most recent oS Update

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, all,

I've noticed that on the login screen, I can't navigate to interact and find 
the username field, etc. Once I use the Magic Trackpad, I can type in the 
password field just fine. Would there be a way to troubleshoot this that anyone 
knows of?

thanks,
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Re: USB Keyboard Not Working well on Login Screen Since Most recent oS Update

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I think that this has something to do with another screen gaining VO focus.  
The Login screen is usually totally accessible if you attempt to use it right 
away.  If your Mac has gone to sleep or if a Screensaver has activated, then 
you need to either click a mouse or trackpad to bring focus to the Login 
screen.  I've mostly noticed this on Desktop machines, MacBook Pros and MacBook 
Airs seem to not have the same issue.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 27, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

 Hi, all,
 
 I've noticed that on the login screen, I can't navigate to interact and find 
 the username field, etc. Once I use the Magic Trackpad, I can type in the 
 password field just fine. Would there be a way to troubleshoot this that 
 anyone knows of?
 
 thanks,
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USB keyboard issues

[Jenine Stanley]

Let me see if this message goes through this time around. 

I'm installing a USB keyboard on the iMac for my spouse. When we plugged it in 
the first time, the keyboard identification utility came up and I followed the 
instructions. 

It did recognize the keyboard but none of the function keys spoke when using 
the VO K command to identify them. Only the F12 and VO F8 keys seemed to work. 

On the Apple bluetooth keyboard all keys worked as usual. 

The USB keyboard  I was installing works on either Windows or Mac and the other 
keys for Mac identified readily and work fine. 

It seems as if any Usb keyboard I install now has this issue. 

Any wisdom out there about this? 
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USB keyboard issues

[Jenine Stanley]

I'm trying to install a USB keyboard and when it is connected and I complete 
the keyboard installation utility, the function keys no longer announce 
themselves as they do with the Apple Bluetooth keyboard. 

This seems then to carry over to any USB keyboard I attach. I then did the 
really stupid thing of turning on the Apple Bluetooth keyboard and let's just 
say that things went downhill from there. 

All has been restored but I'm still curious about the function keys not working 
or speaking as they do with the Apple keyboard. All other Apple keys work fine. 
The USB keyboard I'm attaching works with either Windows or Mac. 
Jenine Stanley
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Amazon basics USB Keyboard Not recognized on Login Screen

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, all,

Does anyone else have an Amazon Basics uSB keyboard? I have to use my Braille 
display to log on, because the keyboard is not recognized. Sometimes it takes a 
couple of minutes after I log in for it to kick in. Then I have to go into 
keyboard preferences and change keyboard type.

This is strange, because when I first got the keyboard a couple of weeks ago, 
it worked fine.

Any ideas?

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Locating the function key on a USB keyboard

[Marc Workman]

Hi all,

I bought my first Mac today, and I've run into a snag turning VO on.

I tried command F5, but it only made a bonking noise.  My guess is that the 
function keys are controlling hardware, and I need to press the function key 
plus command F5, but I don't know which key is the function key.  I'm using a 
full size USB keyboard that I bought along with the Mac mini today.

If you can tell me where the function key is, or if you have any other 
suggestions, I would be very appreciative.

Best,

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Re: Locating the function key on a USB keyboard

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Marc,

You can use the control key with command-f5 to activate Voiceover. Also, you 
can go to the System Preferences/Keyboard pane and select the use function 
keys as standard ... checkbox.

HTH
Teresa
On Dec 2, 2010, at 12:27 PM, Marc Workman wrote:

 Hi all,
  
 I bought my first Mac today, and I've run into a snag turning VO on.
  
 I tried command F5, but it only made a bonking noise.  My guess is that the 
 function keys are controlling hardware, and I need to press the function key 
 plus command F5, but I don't know which key is the function key.  I'm using a 
 full size USB keyboard that I bought along with the Mac mini today.
  
 If you can tell me where the function key is, or if you have any other 
 suggestions, I would be very appreciative.
  
 Best,
  
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Re: Locating the function key on a USB keyboard

[Scott Howell]

The function key is located in the six-pack of keys on the full-size keyboard. 
It is the first key in the six pack and is in the same location as the insert 
key on a PC keyboard.

Scott





On Dec 2, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Marc Workman wrote:

 Hi all,
  
 I bought my first Mac today, and I've run into a snag turning VO on.
  
 I tried command F5, but it only made a bonking noise.  My guess is that the 
 function keys are controlling hardware, and I need to press the function key 
 plus command F5, but I don't know which key is the function key.  I'm using a 
 full size USB keyboard that I bought along with the Mac mini today.
  
 If you can tell me where the function key is, or if you have any other 
 suggestions, I would be very appreciative.
  
 Best,
  
 Marc
 
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