Re: bugzilla not editable
Jussi Kukkonen wrote: Just in case no-one's reported this yet: bugs.maemo.org has been read-only for four days. Below is an example of what happens when I try to vote (at around 11:05 UTC today). Jussi Maemo Bugzilla has always been ready-only as far as Maemo.org/Nokia.com are concerned anyway! Now it's official... ;) I'm sure the problem will be resolved eventually when someone at Maemo tries to close a popular bug WONTFIX... ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Internal Memory Read Only?
Scott Carr wrote: You mean on the SDCard? I am talking about the internal memory that comes with the device. Is there a Write Protect tab for the internal memory? There is no write protect tab for the internal memory - it becomes read-only when the FAT filesystem is corrupted in some way. Sometimes running fsck may fix the problem after which the filesystem can be mounted read-write, but in a worst case situation you may need to re-format the FAT filesystem in order to render it usable again (ie. read-write'able once more). As for the physical SD cards used by the N8x0 (and the MMC cards used by the 770) - although these cards have a write protect switch, it is ignored entirely by the Nokia hardware. The implementation of the hardware to detect the position of the write protect switch is optional by anyone implementing the SD/MMC card slot, and in the case of the Nokia tablets there is no hardware whatsoever to detect the switch position. There is no electronics within the card itself relating to the switch - it's just a sliding piece of plastic and it's up to the device to physically prevent writes to the card which is only possible if it has the capacity to detect the switch, which the Nokia's unfortunately cannot. :( ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: What is Best practice for Battery Longevity on N8X0?
Eero Tamminen wrote: I can't imagine those fixes are in the current software, or anything close to them as a few weeks ago I performed an idle run-down test on an N800 with 2.2007.50-2 (a freshly flashed device with no configuration changes whatsoever, I.e. you didn't restore a backup, configure a phone nor WLAN? I definitely didn't restore a backup or configure phone/WLAN - on the first boot I only configured the language (step 1 I think) and then I quit the wizard before pairing with a phone. I didn't even modify any of the desktop applets - everything was left as it comes in the firmware image, and WLAN was not configured. could my 9 month old N800 battery really have lost 1/3rd of it's capacity? And you verified that it really was the original N800 battery and charger? (I sometimes use the 770 ones, but I think its battery has smaller capacity) It's definitely the original N800 battery. As for the charger I've been using the Nokia CA-100 USB charger - should this make a difference? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: PDFlush pinning the CPU and slow down
Randall wrote: I've heard of this problem but no real reason nor fix. Anyone have any ideas? I had this problem on an N800 and I *think* the problem went away after I reflashed it two or three times, but I've now stopped using the N800 so I really can't say for sure this fixed the problem as the pdflush issue can materialise after a few days of usage without any apparent problems. Bug 2615[1] is tracking this issue with no input from Nokia/Maemo, naturally. :( 1. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2615 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: What is Best practice for Battery Longevity on N8X0?
Igor Stoppa wrote: On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 14:08 +0100, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: Igor Stoppa wrote: n800: 18 days n810: 27 days Impressive, any details where the savings were done? Is this strictly HW related and the n800 has same OS2008 version as N810? it's both hw and sw; the sw part is about fixing wrong settings in muxing, pulluppulldown and disabling voltage regulators when not in use or OMAP is in retention. Just to confirm, these 18 days are already on N800 with OS2008 and with those sw issues fixed? I don't remember if i checked exactly the sw version that is public atm but if it wasn't then it was close enough. I can't imagine those fixes are in the current software, or anything close to them as a few weeks ago I performed an idle run-down test on an N800 with 2.2007.50-2 (a freshly flashed device with no configuration changes whatsoever, so essentially a factory fresh install with a fully charged battery). After 12 days and 2 hours[1] the low battery alarm began to sound - that is just 2/3rds of what you are saying is possible so why such a large discrepancy - could my 9 month old N800 battery really have lost 1/3rd of it's capacity? Or can this difference really be down to component variance (the tested N800 is from March 2007)? 1. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2602#c20 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: List of Repository for OS2008
Marius Gedminas wrote: On the other hand, I'd be happy to see Gaim moved into a category of its own, because I dislike how its 37 plugins locales clutter up my application list. Maybe it's the same with Canola? Is it possible to for the Application Manager to support a hierarchy, ie. user/Communication/GAIM would result in another button/group within the Communication category for an application such as GAIM with many related installation items? I wouldn't object to this for GAIM, but it wouldn't make sense for an application that has no other related installation items. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How to install skype on the N810 with OS2008?
Michael R. Head wrote: I have OS2008 Version 1.2007.42-19 installed. Try flashing with the latest version of OS 2008 - version 2.2007.50-2 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: discount code CANCELED
mihai wrote: I have used the discount code, but nokia WANT BACK the device. what is going on. QUIMM please, i’ve put a friend of mine in trouble to get it and now it’s difficult to return it I would suggest you ignore Nokia, the same way they ignore us. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: List of Repository for OS2008
Levi Bard wrote: I intend to get rid of my repository and get everything I need available from Extras. I agree with and applaud this method. More applause from here! :) We can only help ourselves by attempting to strictly enforce the use of Extras in preference to third-party repositories. The maintainers of any application/library that isn't in Extras should be contacted and asked to put it in Extras. The inability to get upload access is a serious problem which needs rectifying ASAP. Categorisation of applications is another problem area (old chestnut) that should be consistently observed to avoid the Application Manager button mess that is once again steadily increasing. For example, why the hell does Boingo get it's own button/category? It's a communications-related application, so it should be categorised under Communication. Or Comm.. Or Connectivity. Or... Utilities, or even utilities (this is all getting beyond a joke now). The same argument goes for Canola2 which appears as the lone application in it's own Canola category rather than in the more appropriate Multimedia category - it's pretty depressing when Nokia can't even stick to their own guidelines. I myself am only using r.m.o and r.m.o/extras as additional repositories - I don't want to use any applications that insist on their own repositories, nor do I want to publicise such applications as this only exacerbates the problem. If we continue to support third party repositories this problem will never be resolved. Since it's also clear that package maintainers have no respect for the categorisation guidelines I think it's becoming imperative that packages intended for r.m.o repositories are sanity checked for basic conformity, and this includes Nokia produced packages as Nokia are one of the worst offenders. /rant ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Package categories are being misused
Jussi Kukkonen wrote: Andrew already brought up the too-many-repositories problem, maybe I should revitalize the other repository discussion: The application-categories-are-useless one. I can only see this being solved by two things: 1. Insisting on the use of r.m.o and r.m.o/extras repositories, don't use third-party repositories 2. Having a check in procedure for updated new (even updated) packages whereby a package is reviewed prior to wider publication (eg. extras-devel would be ideal as a staging area) Item #1 is a personal choice issue - we should all try to avoid using and publicising third-party repositories, that way they will eventually disappear. Item #2 is more difficult to organise, but it's apparent that even Nokia can't be trusted to create correctly categorised packages. This means that not even first party applications should be able to bypass the review process. If a review process isn't favoured or possible, the Application Manager should be modified to ignore any application which is not in a pre-existing (ie. approved) category, although this could become inflexible and undesirable in the long term unless the available approved categories can be updated on-line (but then the approved list may be open to abuse if it's maintained by Nokia...) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Installing OS2008 on N800
James Knott wrote: http://www.nokiausa.com/A4410958 Thanks. I wonder if there's some logical reason why that info was not provided on the download page? Sometimes, I get the feeling Nokia deliberately tries to make things difficult. Because you downloaded the firmware from a site intended for developers and more sophisticated/knowledgeable end users where such instructions are unnecessary - the flashing instructions are covered in depth in various Wikis, including that at maemo.org. The standard end user page with instructions is the page linked above - once your install the software it does everything for you. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Will repository.maemo.org be fixed?
Laurent GUERBY wrote: On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 19:38 -0500, Michael Wiktowy wrote: On Dec 21, 2007 8:37 AM, Laurent GUERBY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS: on bugzilla https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2531 That bug indicates that the issue is closed and it is fixed. I certainly isn't on my end. I ended up getting the firmware from the torrent and I have been trying to install Canola2 for a day now and contantly getting these errors still. As others have mentioned on the list, the problems seem to come from the repository server not sending back a proper http error code but rather sends back some html with a message which apt dutifully caches for the package transaction and the result is installation brokenness. I have opened a new bugzilla for the repository situation: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2635 Feel free to vote/add info. Laurent Doesn't look like anyone is going to fix this problem until everyone returns from vacation, either after Christmas or worst case, after New Year. This means the situation will have been allowed to continue without official comment or any apparent attempt to resolve it for between 8 and 14 days! I wonder how many N8x0's will be given as gifts this Christmas, and how many recipients will be disappointed by the constant inability to download new software? What a great first experience this is going to be! I'm sure that more than a few devices will be returned as unwanted gifts as a result of this poor end user experience. As for Canola, why did the iNDT guys bust a gut to get their software out there? Hardly anyone can now download it - that's a crying shame for all their hard work and effort, only to be undermined by poor management resourcing decisions back in Finland. Please maemo Nokia, in future don't *ever* release another firmware update without ensuring adequate support is on-site and available during the first week following release. This situation must never be allowed to happen again. I know that's going to be tough to organise and may upset some of your people, but these are the sacrifices that employees of real businesses have to make when rolling out new software. In my world, if this situation had been allowed to happen I'd be out of a job. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Will repository.maemo.org be fixed?
Luca Donaggio wrote: Same here! Luca Donaggio And here too. I know that me too posts aren't needed, but given the total lack of communication on this issue from Maemo HQ I think it necessary to demand some kind of statement as to what is going on and what is being done about it. The current situation being allowed to continue without any comment whatsoever from Maemo is thoroughly unreasonable. Is anybody at Maemo HQ trying to fix the problem, or has everyone gone on vacation for Christmas meaning this situation will now persist well into next week? If the latter, in future please don't release new firmware then give everyone time off - that really is a bad idea (either delay the firmware until after the holidays or schedule vacations two to three days AFTER the release!) I'm sceptical that the current problems are now entirely due to bandwidth as I'd have thought that might have peaked by now, particularly with some generous community members donating bandwidth to alleviate the situation. Have the server(s) or some other part of the maemo infrastructure succumbed under the workload and requires a restart/cycle to stop the repeated errors we've been seeing the last 3 days? If there's no reply, I guess nobody is home! :( ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OS2008 on N800: probable bugs
Laurent GUERBY wrote: - I've had three times after selecting lock touch screen in keys where after pressing power and seeing now press HOME the HOME button was inactive and I had to remove the battery or shutdown through remote ssh. This is with unmodified systemui.xml. I'll open bugzilla if I'm not alone in seeing this. You're not alone, check bug 2311[1] - N800 running OS2008 forgets it has any hardware buttons. Rather than pop the battery and reboot, a workaround which works for some people is to pop out the camera which sometimes reactivates the disabled buttons. 1. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2311 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: No 'NEXT' key in acrobat reader
Jussi Kukkonen wrote: Not that this particular case is going anywhere in Bugzilla either. Filed 2006-08-07, resolved REMIND and then 15 months of silence. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737 I filed a bug on using undocumented resolutions (I'm actually interested in finding out how REMINDing can resolve something): https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2365 -Jussi In OS2008 the PDF Reader now has two virtual buttons on screen which appear briefly then disappear that allow forward/back paging whether the screen is normal or full screen, zoomed or not. Seems to work quite well. I don't know why this kind of information couldn't have been added to Bugzilla so that you all knew what was coming in OS 2008 - the lack of any comments from Nokia can either be interpreted as inappropriate and insane corporate secrecy, or unwillingness to use Bugzilla appropriately. Probably both. :( ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 770's spontaneous boot
Zoran Kolic wrote: Howdy! After few days of absolute surprise, I gather info to post a question. Not using 770 with 3.2006.49-2 for some time, I found it not able to boot. The cure was to recharge the battery. The system worked as it should. Now, every day past noon, when I open the cover of the device, I find it up and happily lighting to me. Never before noon, never twice a day. No error mes- sage. Just goes up and stays there. I took the battery out and let it stay that way for hour or so. No change in behaveor. I recall posts months ago, with similar problem, but cannot find them now. I trust in unix not to reinstall, but fix it. Does this triggers some memory, how the issue was solved? I'm aware that there could be a value changed from 0 to 1 or reverse in this battery issue. Rather to change variables manualy then reflash the device. If I have to post more information, let me know. Zoran Probably a hidden alarm... see the following thread on ITT: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4088 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 . Email Client / RSS Client
DrFredC.com wrote: It seems to keeps unread stuff on my n800, at least for a day or so. It would be nice to have a setting for how long to keep things that aren't explicitly set to be kept. Read the bug Marius referred to... you probably don't have auto-update enabled, or don't update very often. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Moving filesystem to card?
Mike Mellor wrote: Can I reduce the size of the boot partition? I would like to have more than 500M available for files. Sure, 256MB should be just about adequate as the boot partition. Also see the following thread on ITT for scripted OS cloning instructions (the same instructions as Frantisek linked to above, but scripted so you don't really need to understand what's going on if you don't want to!) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Improvements in the browser (was Re: 4.2007.38-2 available)
Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: A tabbed browser would probably make many people happy, but I don't really see the advantage over the current implementation (i.e. Having a new window open for a new link). Perhaps one could see a use for the box view to compare two rendered sites in one shot (might be useful for web sites makers.) I like how Firefox (on desktop) allows me to background load a page by opening a link in a new tab which doesn't automatically take focus. Being able to open a new page in the background (in a tab or not) on Micro-B would make me very happy - some pages take quite a while to load, and it would be nice if I could continue reading the current web page while a linked page is loaded in the background. Currently, the new window opens and steals focus, the device almost grinds to a halt as it renders/composites the new page and I have to wait before I can return to the original page and continue reading (most times though I can return before the new page has finished loading, but it's an annoying struggle and often takes several seconds or longer). I'd also like to see tabs on Micro-B (or the EAL) in future, I thought tabs worked just fine in Minimo and believe tab support should be added, but left as an option for the user. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Bluetooth headphones and mp3's
Simon Pickering wrote: I haven't heard these HSP/HFP/A2DP headsets being called multipoint before but I've been calling them combo sets. The interesting thing here is the set prefers to be master on both its active connections so it can communicate with separate hifi and voice devices in a single piconet. That's just from my browsing on Amazon and other online retailers before I bought mine (a reasonably priced Jabra BT320s), I (and they) may be using the wrong terminology. Sony Ericsson refer to this feature as multipoint so it is the correct terminology, at least according to some vendors (inc. the original inventor of the technology!) :) The following is printed on the packaging of my SE HBH-DS970 headset: * Multipoint function - listen to music stored in Bluetooth-enabled PC/PDA - handle in-coming calls ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Questions #3: root
Thomas Leavitt wrote: What's the default password for user? Will changing it affect anything, since obviously the system auto-starts? Adding a password to the user account makes the device less secure IMHO and is bad advice - it's yet another account that can be exploited by brute force. A better choice would be to add your SSH public key to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on your 770/N800, this way you can login as user without having to use the less secure password method for authentication. There is a thread[1] on ITT Forum which explains how to create and use public/private keys with PuTTY. Neil 1. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=67481#post67481 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Need an SSH client for the Nokia 800
Ed Bartosh wrote: I would hardly expect novice users to even think about shell access to the device :) I think if user aware of ssh she is able to understand the difference between server and client. You'd be surprised at what novice users are attempting, dual booting off of MMC/SD is a common one with some novice users getting into all sorts of problems because they are incapable of reading fairly simple instructions (see ITT forums for help, why won't this tar command work? type posts) :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 770 brick
David Grau Serra wrote: My nokia 770 has the same problem, I am trying update the software (latest 2006) but I have the same results :-( Any suggestion? well, keep reading... En/na Neil MacLeod ha escrit: Jonathan Greene wrote: Anything like this -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/atmasphere/362764796/ Sounds like the 770 White Screen of Death... Doesn't sound like the WSOD to be honest, as this fault doesn't stop the device from booting. Frank sounds like he's suffering from some other fault, what I don't know. :( ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users Which problem do you have? The same problem as Frank, or the WSOD? If the latter your only option is replacement (if it's new and the retailer will replace it) or a Nokia in-warranty repair. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Need an SSH client for the Nokia 800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's more you often want the server and client on different machines, which may have different hardware and different operating systems. So neither system will need both server and client. And standard security protocols insist that you only run the servers you need on the machines where you need them. -- hendrik I quite agree, however I almost exclusively need the server component on the N800 - I very rarely ssh from the N800 to another machine, it's almost always the other way around. However installing the server appears to install the client, which is why I don't see much point in offering the client as a separate install (which may lead to confusion for novices) although I suppose the presence of client is valid for a small number of power users who categorically don't need the server. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Need an SSH client for the Nokia 800
Wayne Fiori wrote: On 8/22/07, Neil MacLeod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I quite agree, however I almost exclusively need the server component on the N800 - I very rarely ssh from the N800 to another machine, it's almost always the other way around. However installing the server appears to install the client, which is why I don't see much point in offering the client as a separate install (which may lead to confusion for novices) although I suppose the presence of client is valid for a small number of power users who categorically don't need the server. I would hardly characterize using the N800 has a terminal (ssh client) as the province of power users. -- =Wayne I would hardly expect novice users to be needing that kind of functionality... perhaps power user was a bit excessive. :) On the whole though, I would expect the server component to be installed far more often than the client-only component... and those few people who don't want the server can always stop it from running. All I'm saying is that up until now we've had a single openssh package which seems to have worked well, why now create two separate packages, one of which installs the other? The benefit from having a client-only package seems minimal. My preference would be to rename the new server package Server Client and drop the new client-only package, however I doubt that will happen and fully expect to see new users on the IIT forums installing the client-only package by mistake and needing hand-holding to fix it (not that it's hard to fix it, but then it's not hard to stop the server running either!). :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Cannot Install SSH Server
Hal Vaughan wrote: If you install openssh as root using apt-get install ssh you should end up with both the server and client tools installed. I finally got it. The problem is that it's in the extras repository (at least for mistral) and that was not documented anywhere, at least that I found -- and I did search the site and other sites as well. Can someone update the main repository list to include that information? Hal This looks to be a result of the new server and client openssh packages recently placed in extras. The old combined server client openssh package should still be in repository.org mistral free unless someone has removed it (doesn't look like it). ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Need an SSH client for the Nokia 800
Ed Bartosh wrote: On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 23:39 +0100, ext Neil MacLeod wrote: Which device do you have? For N800 it's better to add bora, so for Nokia 770 it's: http://repository.maemo.org/extras mistral free non-free for N800 it's: http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free And then update repositories in AM and you'll find both packages in 'Communication' section. Many thanks for changing the Section, however ssh still appears to be present in repository.maemo.org bora free with Section==user/net - should this package now be removed (however, see next comment). It's in section net, not user/net as I can see. So it's not visible and installable from AM, right? I though that it was the initial goal - to have it installable right from AM, without installing xterm and becomeroot. Sorry if I misunderstood the point. Unfortunately I can't change bora repository anyway, so I decided to put my packages into bora extras. It's not the same package as in bora as you've probably seen. Why do we need two ssh packages (a client package and a server package)? I realise that some users may want just client or server functionality, but aren't these the minority - is there any real advantage having two packages rather than the single package we have had up until now? I thought we were discussing just a change of Section name rather than a fundamental splitting of the current package. You're right, it's for users who wants just client functionality. Server depends on client anyway, so it's impossible to install just server. I think it's not bad at all to have them splitted, no? I can see at least one benefit - sshd will not be running all the time if I need only client. And, as I said, it's not the same package, the version and packaging are different. I'm going to create garage project to maintain it. Sorry yes, it's in net not user/net so is not visible - I install it using apt-get install ssh... now I have to install both packages (or I just install server and get client), and I can see end users installing the wrong package etc. so I'm not really sure it's worth having two packages when nobody seemed to have a problem with a single combined package in the past. Personally speaking I don't see much benefit to having only client installed, but others may disagree. Then again, maybe I'm worrying about nothing. :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Need an SSH client for the Nokia 800
Which device do you have? For N800 it's better to add bora, so for Nokia 770 it's: http://repository.maemo.org/extras mistral free non-free for N800 it's: http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free And then update repositories in AM and you'll find both packages in 'Communication' section. Many thanks for changing the Section, however ssh still appears to be present in repository.maemo.org bora free with Section==user/net - should this package now be removed (however, see next comment). Why do we need two ssh packages (a client package and a server package)? I realise that some users may want just client or server functionality, but aren't these the minority - is there any real advantage having two packages rather than the single package we have had up until now? I thought we were discussing just a change of Section name rather than a fundamental splitting of the current package. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Need an SSH client for the Nokia 800
Schmitt, Dorren wrote: Just got the 800 last week. Nice device but lacking xtem and sshclient ssh to linux/unix machines. I have tried installing the openssh from maemo and the other ssh client out there at the site. Neither one will install. Any other suggestions? I can live without lots of other things but SSH is vital to me. 1. Install the becomeroot package that allows you to gain root access in xterm http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb 2. Install xterm http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced 3. Install openssh In xterm (now available in the Extras menu) execute the following two commands: sudo gainroot apt-get install ssh That's it. :) Instructions here[1] if you want to setup password-less logins using public/private key and PuTTY. To add the public key to the N800, ssh to the N800 as root using the default rootme password (no quotes). Or transfer the authorized_keys file via SD card. 1. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=67481#post67481 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 770 brick
Jonathan Greene wrote: Anything like this -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/atmasphere/362764796/ Sounds like the 770 White Screen of Death... Doesn't sound like the WSOD to be honest, as this fault doesn't stop the device from booting. Frank sounds like he's suffering from some other fault, what I don't know. :( ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: a2dp not working, any help appreciated
Simon Pickering wrote: i notice one thing - did you use the normal Mplayer, or the one Jesse's compiled from http://www.guardiani.us/ ? Only the one he linked to will let you experience a2dp on n800. Btw, check out Kagu media player he wrote. it is good. I certainly installed the mplayer linked from the instructions page. One curious thing was that the download was very small (~170kB), so I wonder if my existing mplayer version was updated with a binary diff (are any updates handled this way). I'll take another look at it. you should see a2dpd telling you what went wrong, if you have followed the instructions given in Jesse's site. I did mine and i got the n800 working with my SE HBH DS970 headset. Unfortunately it doesn't produce any other output than that I originally posted. I was wondering if a2dpd hadn't managed to connect to the headset (the headset was flashing which means no connection) and was just sitting there waiting for a connection. Could you/someone post the output of a successful a2dpd connection so I can compare? Thanks, Simon You might also like to try installing the a2dp binaries and scripts using these simplified and mostly automated instructions[1]. You can probably jump straight to step 5 as it sounds like you have all the pre-requisites covered. :) I would suggest that you uninstall your current mplayer before trying to install the a2dp debs, and also delete any .mplayer configuration directories that may be lying about in /home/user/ 1. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8435 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: a2dp not working, any help appreciated
Simon Pickering wrote: alsa-lib: pcm.c:2099:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM a2dpd2 alsa-init: playback open error: No such file or directory Could not open/initialize audio device - no sound. Audio: no sound Video: no video You'll get this error when a2dpd isn't running. Nokia-N800-26:/root$ a2dpd A2DPD[09:53:11.715]: avrcp_new: Listening for AVRCP on socket 9 A2DPD[09:53:11.717]: avrcp_new: 0x6c428 Is this expected behaviour? Looks OK. So, all you need to do is start a2dpd then, in a second seperate xterm session start mplayer and audio should stream to your headset. If you want to use only a sigle xterm session, start a2dpd as a2dpd then start mplayer. Simon ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How is the N800 antenna implemented?
Christopher Marshall wrote: Larry: Are you saying that if I plug a headphone cord into the n800, it will extend the antenna, resulting in better 802.11 range? Chris Marshall No, Larry and David are discussing FM Radio reception. The 802.11 and Bluetooth antennas are concealed inside the N800 and not accessible. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 Case - Still not here
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just checked Nokia and Nseries websites and the case is there: http://europe.nokia.com/n800case http://www.nseries.com/index.html#l=products,n800,accessories Quim - you can't buy it from any of those sites. Pretty pictures though, but they're not going to generate any revenue. Expansys UK[1] now seem likely to have the Case arriving in 10 days at £24.95 - when they last attempted to obtain stock they had to admit defeat and show it as discontinued, so this is a new/recent status update. Hopefully it sticks and stock does eventually materialise. :) 1. http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=144920 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 Case - Still not here
Peter Bart wrote: Hello, I simply don't understand why one would want Nokia to provide a case given all the other options. Those include Pdair, Boxwave, Calculator Source, Otterbox to name a few. A search on ITT for cases will show several threads. Nokia's case is simply going to be a rebranded case from someone else. Maybe I'm way off, but I'd rather have Nokia work on hardware software. As a side note, I made my own using a leather book case for the 800, and a stud from an old 770 aluminum case for the belt loop. Both from Pdair. Best Regards, The Nokia case looks (from the pictures) to be more like a cover than a full case... my guess is it that it might attach by replacing the battery cover whereas the alternatives you mention envelope the entire device and add extra bulk. Personally I prefer the Nokia Case if it avoids adding any extra bulk, as all I want is screen protection when it's in my pocket and no, one of those plastic screen protector thingies isn't sufficient protection for what I'm talking about! :) And Nokia should offer screen protection, if only for making the disastrous decision to drop the 770's hard cover! :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Newbie cannot install osso-xterm
D. L. Fuller wrote: Then looking for xterm in the new Application Catalog, I did find osso-xterm-advanced and sorta figured out your recommendation of the green arrow scripted download routine. And it worked like a charm. Ah, sorry - I thought that (advanced) was what you were installing anyway as it's the only one I ever bother with... such a shame that so many other defective packages remain hanging around in cyberspace to catch out the unwary. Another argument for properly managed repositories I guess. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Newbie cannot install osso-xterm
D. L. Fuller wrote: I followed two HowTo procedures to become root. First successfully installing becomeroot and then getting osso-xterm 0.13 listed in the Application Manager. But then the install of osso-xterm fails as Package not found. I've double-checked and my entered repository data seems okay, but the log shows: Installing osso-xterm 0.13 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/n/ ncurses/libncurses5_5.4-3_armel.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 168.143.241.80 80] Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/v/vte/ libvte-common_0.11.13-3osso2_all.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 168.143.241.80 80] Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/v/vte/ libvte4_0.11.13-3osso2_armel.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 168.143.241.80 80] Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/o/osso- xterm/osso-xterm_0.13_armel.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 168.143.241.80 80] Any advice would be appreciated. Try changing maemo2.0 to gregale in each of your repositories. You're not the first to be caught out by this problem with the maemo2.0 repositories which seems to be due to a caching issue (the files are listed, but are not physically present). Perhaps someone from Maemo can advise or fix? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Flaky connection after upgrade
Kalle Valo wrote: ext Duncan MacCallum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Previous ver used to give rock solid wifi connection. However after latest firmware upgrade now find connection speeds slow and that behind a Belkin preN router connected to 20mb cable connection. The WLAN sleep timeout was reduced in this release to help power consumption. Unfortunately with some Access Points which do not support Power Save Mode properly there might be connection problems, which I think you are seeing now. Please report all problems to bugzilla. Remember to include at least AP's make, model and firmware version. Thanks. Kalle - for the timeout problems, see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1636 Jake mistakenly tried to close it as INVALID. Unless you intend to revert back to the 3.2007 default you may want to think about adding a GUI checkbox that enables/disables the shorter timeout, or perhaps add a text/list box that allows the user to select their own timeout. It would be nice to see some input from yourself on this bug - so far we're just discussing it amongst ourselves until it's either fixed, closed or marked as invalid. Not a good use of Bugzilla. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Flaky connection after upgrade
Duncan MacCallum wrote: HI, Previous ver used to give rock solid wifi connection. However after latest firmware upgrade now find connection speeds slow and that behind a Belkin preN router connected to 20mb cable connection. Skype loads but unable to activate calls. Web browsing can at time be painfully slow in fact at time notice little difference between wifi and gprs connection Connection to my wifi router shows at max but something not getting through... Unfortunately very much an end user with no previous on linux so floundering somewhat. Good point is sometimes all is well, but not often enough. Just wondering if other are having same problems afters recent upgrade. Cheers Quite a few people have had problems with WiFi following the most recent N800/4.2007 release. Have you checked bug #1636[1]? 1. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1636 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: recommended SD card for N800
Andreas Poisel wrote: There are issues with 2007SE_4.2007.26-8 and my Kingston 2 GB SD-card. About 400 MB are used, 16052 files in 14 directories. Serious issues at that - people now have cards which can no longer be used in any card reader or device. Personally I'd be a little cautious about using the new update with any expensive SD/SDHC cards until Nokia comment against bug #1204[1] or in the mailing list with further details explaining why the update is killing cards and what can be done about it (and how to revive dead cards). I don't mean to sound like a scaremonger but since this update is apparently causing physical harm to cards (although it may be possible to recover them with appropriate software, nobody has found any that works) it would be sensible to hold off using the upgrade (or alternatively using expensive cards with the upgrade) until Nokia advise otherwise. 1. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7384 2. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204#c20 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OpenSSH on OS 2006 repository problem?
dasDasein wrote: When I click the installer for OpenSSH from Maemo download site, it fails to add repository and install. I manually entered the repository, and try to install openssh-installer I get ... Unable to download. Package not found. But I am able to browse the repository manually... http://mg.pov.lt/770/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/ and download the package (openssh-installer_0.1-1_armel.deb) manually. Tony K. Red-Pill enabled. I think the one click Install adds the required repository, then bombs on the actual installation because it isn't compatible with the Application Manager for some reason. What I did was click on the OpenSSH Install file to add the repository, exited from App Manager once I saw the install had failed, opened xterm, sudo gainroot, apt-get install ssh. Job done. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Hardware wishlist?
Quim Gil wrote: Sorry for missing an essential word: On Fri, 2007-07-06 at 08:47 +0300, ext Quim Gil wrote: perhaps 2-3 weeks Great news, thanks v. much Quim! ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Hardware wishlist?
My only question right now concerning hardware is: NOKIA - WHERE IS THE CASE?[1] It would be a huge shame if it's cancelled, but I'd like to know rather than be left in the dark... this was promised, so where is it? Can someone from Nokia (I know this is the Maemo mailing list, but I don't have any other Nokia contacts...) give us an update on this product which was promised on launch day and only goes some way to replacing the 770's case, so without it the N800 is a _big_ step backwards in terms of design. Unfortunately the problems with the Case sum up some of the problems with Nokia - promises are made, followed by a lack of delivery on those promises, and then silence about what went wrong. Thank you! :) 1. http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=144920 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Role of maemo i.e. in Re: Fwd: Skype on N800
Quim Gil wrote: Now, a question and a long thought for the maemo lovers: What do you think we should do? Bring the Nokia devices/commercial agenda also here or keep maemo apart from that? I guess until other non-Nokia Maemo-based devices exist (mid 2008?), Maemo == Nokia and vice versa. For the time being, the Maemo mailing lists are the only direct means of communication I/we have with Nokia personnel that are directly involved with software (and to a lesser extent, hardware) development. If Nokia Internet Tablet staff wish that the Maemo mailing lists are kept platform neutral perhaps it would be a good idea if they created their own mailing list where we could post questions, suggestions and direct feedback concerning the products they are responsible for. Mailing lists seem to provide a more intimate relationship between users/community and developers, far more so than submitting questions to a web site which may or may not receive a reply. Perhaps comp.handhelds.maemo.users.nokia to handle Nokia specific discussion? In the meantime Tableteer (Nokia official site for end users) has a feedback channel while http://www.womworld.com/nseries/category/n800/ (unofficial but sponsored by Nokia Nseries, I'm sure they read the comments) The only feedback related link I could find on that site (Contact Us) seems to be related to site content, rather than feedback about specific devices or other queries. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough, I'd like to know what's happened to the Case... :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Fwd: Skype on N800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to apologize to the entire list and especially to the hardworking N800 folks. My original questions about release of information were misunderstood and were never intended to indict anyone involved. I didn't think that there was anything inflammatory in what I said but perhaps I could have taken more time than I did to better word it. Suffice to say I do understand well the need for secrecy and in no way intended to undermine that. Tablet users should understand that Nokia has reasons for keeping certain details proprietary. My goal was only to ask for some sort of official statement that could be provided to a community eager for any news at all, even bad. I in no way expected that secret details should be made available to the users in any way. I am sorry that I was not careful enough in the wording of my post and provided the wrong impression to some. For the record, I'm not flaming anyone in particular either - well OK, maybe just the whole Nokia Marketing Department! :) The secrecy is understandable where some aspects of development are concerned, but my main point is that Nokia could do more to build some hype about the forthcoming release by dropping a few hints in public, pretty much as Hanno pointed out. Nothing too detailed (although more detail would be nice) - just enough to whet the appetite, and if releases slip to give us a brief update. The Skype seen in public details seem to have been found by chance and not through any concious effort on behalf of Nokia to push this information into the public domain - it's interesting to note that someone found a YouTube video yesterday demonstrating Skype on N800, but it's already been taken down! What's so wrong with building a little interest in the product through some viral marketing? Tantalise your users, allow some word of mouth marketing to take place, torment us with hints, stimulate demand for this product. If something is secret then fair enough don't mention it but where you are able to discuss some great new features coming down the pipe let's hear it - maybe even a YouTube video so bloggers can write about it too! Let's build some (realistic) hype about the future releases in order to help promote this product! The current silence is deafening. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Fwd: Skype on N800
Fortunately a forum user at ITT downloaded the original Skype on N800 YouTube video and has reposted it[1] - power to the people! ;) Skype appears 36 seconds into the video - it's not very clear and quite brief but this kind of thing (or a much improved version) would do wonders to get people talking about the N800... 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcrcLSae-t0 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Fwd: Skype on N800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice info Eric, thanks. Open question to N800 program folks: what is so wrong about providing more communications to the community about updates? Lot of owners being very patient about Skype and OS releases, but irritated about the silence. Can't we at least provide SOMEthing to them??? They know Finland started mass vacation and so they're disappointed nothing came out today... Randall (Randy) Arnold Quality Feedback Analyst Nokia-CMO/Dallas Nokia - please listen to Randall! His view is representative of many of your users. It's apparent that Nokia have no issues communicating good news but seem to be far less forthcoming when bad news needs to be disseminated to the community. On several occasions Nokia have not bothered to communicate the bad news at all (eg. where the heck is the N800 case - just tell us if it's cancelled, or merely delayed[1]) or you have forced the community to beg/demand information updates (eg. future 770 development). If Skype is delayed beyond H1 (which it almost certainly will be unless it's delivered Saturday) please let us know if/when it's expected. We'd much rather have this update than be kept in the dark. Think of it like when you are waiting for a train that is running late - it's much better to have an announcement informing you the train is going to be 5 minutes late than to be kept in the dark and told nothing at all! The secrecy surrounding firmware releases and future OS updates is utterly ridiculous and undermines the whole Maemo/Internet Tablet effort - it's not necessary, adds to the overall user confusion and frustration, and ultimately helps nobody. Nokia: you're a communications company. Communicate, communicate and communicate! 1. http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=144920 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How to get MU 13 chip
Chris Vail wrote: I live in San Diego, USA, and I want to get a 1 GB memory for my N770 (I believe that is the MU 13 chip). Unfortunately, the Nokia US website says Store only, and the only Nokia stores in the US are in Chicago and and New York. What is the best way for me to get hold of the MU 13? Should I try to get one of the Nokia stores to ship me one, or should I contact a European vendor? Any standard 1GB RS-MMC card will work in the 770. You're better off *not* buying from Nokia as Nokia charge way over the odds for memory (between THREE and FOUR times the normal price!) For example the UK Nokia store retails the MU-13 at £44 ($88) while I can pick up a Transcend 1GB Dual Voltage (DV) RS-MMC card for £12 ($24) online[1] in the UK - you should be able to get similar deals in the US. Google for 1GB RS-MMC and buy online or try Frys, Best Buy etc. 1. http://www.mobymemory.com/products/Transcend/Transcend-1GB-MMCMobile-RS-DV-(Dual-Voltage)-MMC-card.asp ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: MMC Card compatibility
David Hautbois wrote: Hi I own 16Mo 32Mo MMC cards (Don't laugh please :-P ) The N800 don't detect it. Is there a method to understand if : - it is a hardware incompatibility - modules are missing - the N800 detect it but can't use it Thanks. David. Try using the SDHC kernel[1] then insert your MMC cards and check dmesg for output (explained here[2]) which may identify the problem. 1. http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=50 2. http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=49 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Update software
James Knott wrote: Mikhail Sobolev wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:58:04PM -0400, James Knott wrote: I see there's a software update available for the N800. Before I install it, I'd like to know if the update will delete my apps or data and if the backup will protect those items. Updating software means that all your applications and data will be deleted. You must perform backup before update, however you should remember that: * applications won't be saved, so you'll need to install them again * only some data will be saved as not all applications indicate what should be stored during backup I just noticed you have to use Windows to update the software. Is there any other method that does not require Windows? You can update using Linux using a flasher-3.0 binary downloaded from here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php Instructions in the Wiki but basically connect the USB cable between the N800 and Linux box, power on the N800 while holding the Home button and the device should enter flasher mode. Flash the device with flasher-3.0 -F firmwareimage -r -R ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Better planet layout through Greasemonkey/Stylish
Andrew Flegg wrote: Hi, If, like me, you find the narrow columns on the new planet a triumph of style over usability; and prefer to have content fill the browser window you've decided on, rather than the fixed width style the designer likes *and* you use Firefox and Greasemonkey/Stylish the Thanks for that... I'm sorry to say that I too find the new design thoroughly unusable. Quite honestly, Planet now looks ridiculous in Firefox on a 1280x1024 screen, with the content area taking up a fraction of the available space with lines wrapping as often as 4 words per line. I don't want to read Planet anymore. I don't like it, I find it difficult to read. I'm beginning to bookmark and visit directly the blogs that interest me most - this is of course sub optimal, but at least I can comfortably read the content rather than be annoyed by it. Separately, I also find the new Maemo navigation confusing and/or broken. Wiki and Bugzilla both have direct links on the mini-navigation visible on the Home page yet it's necessary to navigate to Community before you can navigate to Wiki, and Development for Bugs (where the link to Bugzilla is buried within a bullet pointed paragraph). Why aren't Wiki and Bugzilla given permanent links in the right hand nav? They're extremely important aspects of the Maemo site and should be upfront and center. Style over usability - I couldn't have said it better myself. :( By the way, if anyone is interested there is a poll on the ITT forum which should enable the maemo.org designers to determine how well the new design is being received: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6274 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Better planet layout through Greasemonkey/Stylish
Quim Gil wrote: Usability is not tied to fixed or flexible width, you can find examples of good and bad practices with both modalities. Obviously our current implementation has serious problems specially in areas like the Planet, agreed. This doesn't mean that fixed width is necessarily wrong. For instance Andrew, who is suggesting an alternative layout for the Planet uses fixed width in his blog, like many bloggers do. OK I take your point - fixed width is not necessarily bad. But unnecessarily narrow fixed width *is* very bad, particularly when articles are wrapping lines at 5, 6 or 7 word intervals when there is acres of space to the left and right. Agreed. However, reading a planet at that width is not a great alternative and example of readability either. Read Planet Ubuntu at that width. Many Planet readers are use to that but, really, I think something better can be done. For some reason newspapers and magazines have columns and etc (old basic usability stuff). I have been taught in the past that English is most readable when lines are wrapped at an average of 10-13 words per line. An average of eight words per line would still be readable, but the current Maemo Planet design is not so readable. I agree that a flexible width design can result in too many words per line, but since this is somewhat under my control I would prefer that to an artificially constrained layout where I am constantly flicking my eyes left-right-down every half-dozen words or so. The problem is not the fixed width, which is more or less the same that i.e. http://www.maemopeople.org/ and the average Wordpress blog, so to say. The problem is how we deal with the content area: hackergotchis, fonts, navigation bar and some code wrong that creates unnecessary extra white space. Hopefully if you aim for a content area that wraps lines with at least 8 words per line on average (though 10 would be preferable) it will be substantially more readable. maemopeople.org for instance, wraps at around 11 words per line on average. One option is to get rid of the hackergotchis, or the navigation, letting the content with the usual width in blogs. Hackergotchis are cool (when they have pictures). The navigation is not essential. If we have to drop something this will be the victim. Let's see. Oskari has as priority number 1 fixing the (troublesome anyway) navigation and the Planet layout. Give him some days. The navigation definately needs a rethink, both in presentation (look) and architecture. If the vertical nav is retained, use a smaller font however a multi-level horizontal nav may be better as it would free up the right hand column which is mostly wasted space unless content can be designed to flow into the right hand column below the nav. hackergotchis I can't say I care for them - given a choice, drop em. Web structure is not completed. Understood, sorry for jumping the gun :) Upfront and center is where they are located in the frontpage. Perhaps it's just me, but the section of the front page that contains the Bugzilla and Wiki links is just plain odd. It's detached from the main navigation and seems unnecessary and redundant. The links present in this section could/should be in the main navigation, freeing up space in the front page and making it easier to navigate to common pages such as Wiki/Bugzilla from anywhere within the site. Dedicated links to common pages should be present in the main navigation, and not present only in a disjointed section of the frontpage. We want to provide a context for those users that don't even know that there is a wiki or a bugzilla. And for those that don't know what a wiki or a bugzilla are, but they want to read tipstricks and complain about something that doesn't work. Context is good, but it's not making it obvious. Perhaps it's because these areas of the site had dedicated sections in the old site that they now they seem to be more peripheral. This is why the wiki will be under Support and will be focused to the community exchanging all the info that is not part of the official documentation. The wiki will be also linked from Development Documentation (If you are looking for more check This is also why bugzilla will have several entry points and hopefully customized simple forms not to discourage anybody. Entry points include Development and Support, also the Roadmap to suggest new features. More entry points the better! :) Funny. Let me just remind though that the development of the website has been done totally in the open at https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo2midgard/ . If we would have get all this feedback before now all we would be doing other things, probably. We did get feedback and lots of help (thanks!) but for some reason we failed gathering all the opinions that now are raising. Indeed, it is a shame as you guys have all put in a tremendous amount of work and it's not nice
Re: Better planet layout through Greasemonkey/Stylish
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a great discussion! Your contribution certainly helps, Neil. Randall (Randy) Arnold Quality Feedback Analyst Nokia-CMO/Dallas Thanks Randall, though I regret not chiming in sooner and possibly saving the guys all this aggravation. I'll pay more attention next time! :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Skype Update?
George Farris wrote: On Tue, 2007-08-05 at 20:05 +0100, Alan Williamson wrote: As i load up my bag one thing i am missing is skype. Cheap calls back to the UK will probably force me to take my laptop afterall. Is there any update to the progress of this? Skype is proprietary, try Gizmo or Google Talk. From the Nokia Skype press release[1]: The first implementation on the Nokia N800 is expected to be made available for download by the end of first half of 2007. So my guess is that Skype will be released along with a new firmware on Friday, 29 June 2007. 1. http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1096860 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Application Manager Issues
Matt Hughes wrote: E: Failed to fetch http://catalouge.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/dists/bora/Release.gpg (Could not connect to catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com:80 (1.0.0.0) connection timed out. This repository is your problem, and you can't disable it via the App Manager. You can manually edit /etc/apt/sources.list and disable it, but this might cause problems with missing dependencies. I've had the same error from time to time, perhaps the Nokia server is having a problem. I notice that the Downloads[1] page is screwed once again - it wasn't responding on Saturday, and now (Sunday) it gives a fatal Midgard error. Not sure if this is related to your problem, but if it is then it highlights the fact that server stability is paramount to avoid a very poor user experience. 1. http://downloads.maemo.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: mnotify has vanished
Josh Smith wrote: Where has the install file for mnotify gone? It is not in the repository anymore. cheers- josh It's still listed in Tableteer, so this looks like a ballsup rather than intentional. Can anyone at Nokia pass the message along and restore mnotify? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Camera app slow, locks up?
David Hagood wrote: Does anybody else find that the Camera application is slow, and occasionally locks up the unit? What I see is that for the first several seconds after starting, the camera app's update rate is fairly fast (though not as fast as the video call app - about one-half as fast). After a few seconds, then the video update rates slows down to about an update a second. Then after a few more seconds it stops, and the unit is pretty much locked up. Sometimes I can close the camera app, sometimes I have to reboot the unit (by holding down on the power key for several seconds). Yeah, it's unusable here. The OS quite often offers to close the Camera application as it has stopped responding. The application consumes massive amounts of CPU and the low frame rate (~5fps, sometimes less than 1fps) makes framing a shot next to impossible. Definately needs more work as it's not currently usable - but even if it were, the camera image quality when indoors is frankly awful (this applies to internet web video too). ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: I just want to buy a N800 but Nokia don't let me do!
Sounds like you need a US-based credit-card wielding third-party that is willing to pay for the device and either give it to your friend in California, or ship to you in Brazil and for you to then at some point transfer funds to the third party to cover their costs. Not an ideal situation at all, but possibly the only option as your friend has no valid US credit card. :( ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: help
jerry f stutte wrote: Maemmo community, I was hoping that it would contain the ext2 support with no journaling. Seeing that this is/was not a sanctioned release from maemo website, my statement is moot. That's pretty easy to install - apt-get install e2fsprogs Q I assume it would be a no-no to try and use the ext2.ko module from the n770. Probably wouldn't work - you should just use the version that is installed by e2fsprogs. You'll also need load mbcache.ko. My Questions are, Q1 are there kernel tarballs available for the platforms that would allow some one like my self to attempt hacks on these kernels to allow someone like my self to attempt to create patches addressing some of my questions. I believe the source is released with the SDK. Comment Is it my imagination that maemo has avoided ext2 support for a good reason that I don't understand. I assumed that it would have been standard on the N800 from the start. A stock 770 or N800 doesn't need ext2 - the default file systems are jffs2 (for internal flash) and vfat (for MMC/SD cards). Including ext2 by default would be a waste of flash storage on a filesystem that is not used. However if you want it you can install it quite easily via apt. There is a custom N800 kernel available with ext2/3, nfs etc. but the download page is currently unavailable, and I've no idea what sources were used to build the kernel and it may be unwise to use it. Q4I have a n770 (dual boot) running the linux kernel 2.6.16.27-omapl. I typically boot to mmc. Would anyone volunteer to look at the fstab and minircS files and tell me what I am doing wrong. Sure, post the relevant files and I'm sure someone will try to help! :) q5can anyone reccomend running the 2007 kernel posted for the n770 or does it slow the n770 device down to much! It works surprisingly well - no real performance hit at all. Should my questions and comments be more appropriate on the internettablettalk forum. Yes - they are all answered there already (apart from possibly your fstab/mount issue). Please don't hesitate to use the Search function. :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Abnormal power consumption on N800
Kalle Valo wrote: I have now heard few reports of WLAN consuming too much power. Usually it's a sign of WLAN not going to Power Save Mode and it happens because of some odd IOP problems with certain Access Points. I would like know more details about this hpcfwl. I would be interested know at least it's make and model, but firmware version also would be good to know. Another user is reporting this problem against N800 OS 2007 with the latest 3.2007.10-7 firmware. Details of the access point are in the bug report[1]. 1. https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1170 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Internal MMC suddenly read-only...
I recently had a problem with a corrupt FAT filesystem SD card - I reinserted it several times into the N800 but each time the N800 would refuse to mount the card as it was corrupt. I mounted the card once (and only once) in a Windows XP PC where I could read all the files just fine, so I returned the card to the N800 where it mounted immediately and without complaint from the N800. I've no idea what changed, but seemingly the Windows PC silently repaired whatever the N800 was objecting to. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Product Downloads
Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: I’ve checked this on two computers and my N800 so I don’t thinks it’s a Maemo issue or an update issue (as I tried it before I updated the OS) – when I go into the product catalog and select IT OS 2007, the selection screen appears again at the top of ALL applications for ALL OS’. Is this a new feature? Nick Shaw Yes, same here - not sure what that is about, doesn't seem at all necessary. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: FTP app for OS 2007?
Tim wrote: Hi, The Subject line says it all... I've been looking, but I haven't been able to find anything. Thanks! Tim --- Weblog ~ http://tim.samoff.com Baby Blog ~ http://kc.samoff.com Photography ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/timsamoff Music ~ http://www.adkoc.com Client or Server? Can you use scp instead? So much easier, and more secure. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Applications unexpectedly closing on n800
Ton Machielsen wrote: Hi! I have application that unexpectedly close on my n800. In the beginning it was only E-Mail. Now E-Mail doesn't want to launch at all anymore. Now also RSS Reader closes when I'm using it. I'd love to see some feedback against a recent bug[1] in bugzilla. The bug affects all applications, is easily reproducible, and also very annoying as it results in the application closing unintentionally when you least expect it. No doubt this bug[1] may be responsible for separate bugs being filed against individual applications where the application suddenly crashed (shut down/closed) for no apparent reason. 1. https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1101 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Applications unexpectedly closing on n800
Eero Tamminen wrote: Hi, If you try this with notes and write something (or use sketch and draw something) and then do the test-case, do you get a dialog which asks whether the file should be saved? (I'm wondering whether you're triggering the long escape/back keypress which requests app to close i.e. is specified behaviour.) - Eero Yes you do, because the bug appears to be causing the Close event to fire. In other apps (eg. Opera, RSS, Contacts, Control Panel etc.) which don't have unsaved data this bug gives the impression the application has just bailed out or crashed for no apparent reason. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Applications unexpectedly closing on n800
Eero Tamminen wrote: Hi Ok, so the issue is that you press the Back key long (downward thumb rolling motion). No, this isn't the issue. I'm familiar with the long keypress but this is not what I'm doing, and is not what I have described in the bug. In the bug, I'm *VERY* briefly pressing the Back key immediately followed by the Menu key - there is no long keypress of any key. If you follow the sequence I have described, then click within the application window (using either the stylus or a finger) the application will then Close. This is not defined behaviour, and as such it is a bug. The particularly annoying aspect of this bug is that it can and does occur when you least expect it, thus giving the impression the application has just crashed when the application isn't at fault, it's the OS/desktop/haf/core that has erroneously closed the application. This behaviour is documented in the beginning of the User guide - Device control - Hardware keys: a long keypress closes the topmost dialog or application (on page 12). But this is not what I'm describing in the bug. The documented long keypress behaviour is absolutely fine and I have no issue with that - it has nothing to do with this bug other than the end result is the same. I only have an issue with the undocumented behaviour that I have described in the bug - two consecutive short keypresses followed by a window event = application close. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Applications unexpectedly closing on n800
Eero Tamminen wrote: Thanks, I could reproduce it now. I need to press Back and Menu keys very quickly after each other. Exactly! :) If I press them slowly this doesn't happen. Agreed. And it doesn't seem to happen if I cancel the menu with another keypress, I don't know why. Actually, it does happen if the menu is cancelled with another keypress. For example, the Home key will Close the application (eg. Opera) if the key is pressed while the menu is visible. I've succeeded in causing the bug (ie. app to close) with the following combinations: 1. Back+Menu followed by Menu keypress 2. Back+Menu followed by Home keypress 3. Back+Menu followed by stylus/finger event 4. Back+Menu followed by Power keypress 5. Back+Menu followed by removal of battery cover (Memory card in use dialog steals focus from Menu) Basically, any event that causes the menu to lose focus will result in the application closing. My assumption on what happens: - Back key pressed - ESC press delivered to application - Back key released menu pressed - Menu opens before application window processes the ESC release - Only after the menu goes away with a tap, the ESC release is processed by the application window. As the interval between processing the press and release events was long, it's interpreted as a long press I suspect your assumption is entirely correct - the ESC release is being delivered to the application after the menu is dismissed and thus interpreted as a long keypress. I'm not sure how this could be fixed. The X events contain a timestamp, maybe this could be used for checking the event interval instead of the interval of processing the events. I can't suggest a fix, but using the timestamp sounds like a possible solution, or having the events delivered in the correct sequence may be the correct fix - I'm pretty sure I'm releasing the Back key before the Menu key is pressed so the Back press/release events should be delivered to the application before the Menu press/release event is generated (or queued). Currently the bug seems to have 0 votes. Are the other users pressing the keys in a way that triggers this bug too? (I don't think I've ever triggered this mysefl when using the device) I'm not really sure the 0 votes is indicative of anything, to be honest. Other users, if they experience this problem, may be unfairly attributing the problem to the application in use at the time the bug occurs. Speaking personally, I've caused this situation several times (hence the bug in my name!) Maybe I'm more prone to cause this problem due to my fat fingers/big hands/whatever, however the design of the buttons (ie. being so close together) ensures this situation is likely to happen for many people and not just me. And and once the menu has been invoked due to the combination keypress, it's almost impossible to backout of the situation without concious effort on the part of the user. The particularly annoying aspect of this bug is that it can and does occur when you least expect it, thus giving the impression the application has just crashed when the application isn't at fault, it's the OS/desktop/haf/core that has erroneously closed the application. Indeed... - Eero Neil ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Applications unexpectedly closing on n800
Eero Tamminen wrote: Hi, I have to admit that when pressing the Menu key I usually use a fingertip (not the flat side of thumb) because the keys are so close together... (personally I prefer N770 keys except for the power button) - Eero I guess the point is that it can happen when it shouldn't happen, and when it does happen it will most likely be misinterpreted by the unwary user as further proof of buggy *application* software. There has been little interest from Nokia against this bug in bugzilla, I'll update it with a link to this newsgroup discussion as I think you input has been been very helpful. It would be nice to know if/when this problem will be fixed as any bug that causes the unexpected termination of an application - no matter how unlikely it is to happen (and this bug isn't _that_ unlikely from my experience) - should be fixed as a priority. Neil ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nightly reboots
Jonathan Greene wrote: any word on when we might expect that... ? Or any chance of a Beta? :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: What's the status on OS 2007 v3?
Frantisek Dufka wrote: Of course you won't get definite answer but so far most/all updates were released on Friday afternoon approx. 3-5 PM CET (IMO excellent choice). So either today or some next week :-) Frantisek Judging from past release dates and the corresponding firmware build dates there is usually 6 to 8 weeks QA time between build and release. Frantisek - are you suggesting the candidate build has been knocking around inside Nokia for several weeks, or are you suggesting the build is about to take place? If the latter, I doubt we'll see a release until QA have done their bit which will take several more weeks. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia Tablet Carrying Case
Iñigo Illán Aranburu wrote: :-) No, I get the extra stylus when I buyed the 770! If you go here[1] and to the others section you will see the three stylus pack to choose for buying. [1] http://direct.nokia.com/shopcart.aspx Thanks for the link Iñigo - very useful! And after much difficulty, I found a link to the N800 stylus pack: http://direct.nokia.com/Product.aspx?model=StylusN800 Still no N800 Case though! :( Many thanks. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia Tablet Carrying Case
Neil MacLeod wrote: Iñigo Illán Aranburu wrote: :-) No, I get the extra stylus when I buyed the 770! If you go here[1] and to the others section you will see the three stylus pack to choose for buying. [1] http://direct.nokia.com/shopcart.aspx Thanks for the link Iñigo - very useful! And after much difficulty, I found a link to the N800 stylus pack: http://direct.nokia.com/Product.aspx?model=StylusN800 Still no N800 Case though! :( Many thanks. I'll just add that it is impossible to find the stylus accessories via the standard Nokia online store. I'm finding it impossible to locate a stylus replacement pack via the normal online store (eg. http://shop.nokia.co.uk/icat/0276499accessories for all N800 accessories - no replacement stylus pack listed). Unless you know the direct links listed above, you've got no chance of buying a replacement stylus pack! Nokia... sort it out. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia Tablet Carrying Case
I'd like to know when Nokia will be releasing their much promised and much delayed N800 Case[1]. Accessories for the N800 are conspicuous by their absence - for example, it's impossible to buy replacement N800 styli and the same situation exists for the 770 so it's not a matter of time as the 770 isn't a new product. 1. http://europe.nokia.com/accessorieslink?s=N800Case ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia Tablet Carrying Case
Iñigo Illán Aranburu wrote: Hi! I have three extra stylus I buyed from Nokia at the same time as my Nokia 770 Internet Tablet Do you have a link? There is no such accessory available via the UK Nokia online store, and others outside of the UK have registered similar complaints about their local regional online Nokia store. In short, replacement stylus (770 and N800) are extremely difficult, if not impossible, to order from Nokia. If you were unlucky enough to lose both styli that come with the tablet, what are you to do? :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia Tablet Carrying Case
inode0 wrote: On 2/26/07, Neil MacLeod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really, don't you all have about 50 spares of different varieties cluttering up your desks by now? I know I do and while Nokia makes odd shaped ones just about any pointy piece of plastic works fine really. John Sure I have lots of pointy shaped utensils lying about the place, but none of them fit in the slot at the back of the device so why should I have to make do with something sub optimal? I can buy replacement styli for Palms, HP iPAQs and other assorted Win Mobile devices, even for my Sony Ericsson W950i UIQ smartphone. Anything with a touchscreen usually comes with a stylus and it's pretty obvious the stylus won't last forever which is why the manufacturers allow owners to purchase replacements. Nokia are just being incredibly tardy here - there is no excuse. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WLAN Power Save Mode timeout
Kalle Valo wrote: This has been requested occasionally. It would help if you could come up with some kind of examples where this is needed. That they I could show that there's really a need for this. Technically there's no point of supporting 802.1x with WEP encryption, because TKIP is already widely supported. It's a problem that crops up fairly often on the ITT forums, with students (ideal users for ITT no?) wishing to connect to US University campus WiFi - the most recent new thread appeared yesterday[1]. There are also 3 enhancement requests in Bugzilla relating to PEAP/EAP support[2,3,4]. Not sure of your sources, but judging by the more public forums, there seems to be a fair demand for PEAP/EAP. Perhaps engaging with the people who have taken the time to log Bugzilla entries will allow Nokia to understand why there is a demand? Just a thought... :) 1. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4835 2. https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=417 3. https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=950 4. https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1017 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 Intermittent Failure Mode Requiring Battery removal/reinsertion
Acadia Secure Networks wrote: What is mildly disconcerting about this condition is that before the battery removal/insertion but after powering down, the system will not power back up. Mine behaves oddly on a reboot too - I've got RD enabled, and if I perform shutdown -r now the device will shutdown then restart but I don't get the nolo and initifs version details (green text on a white screen). Instead I get just the NOKIA logo on a white screen and the device will now hang - I have to pull the battery in order to achieve a successful reboot. Hopefully this is just one of the many niggles fixed addessed by the next firmware update. :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: 'Locking down' software installation
Marius Vollmer wrote: There is going to be a 'meta' package that represents the whole operating system. Updates to the OS are done by updating this meta package in the Application Manager. The meta package will have dependencies on all packages with their exact versions that make up the official OS releases. The Application Manager will not allow the removal of the meta package. I like the idea of being able to apply OS patches, however it sounds like this functionality doesn't quite fit in the Application Manager application so why not provide a separate Upgrade Operating System GUI application that has all the checks and balances you need built in to it without polluting the standard user-friendly Application Manager? The Upgrade OS could be designed so that it applies all the latest patches/meta packages or just a single patch/package, and would not allow uninstallation of installed patches/packages. There would be no relationship between an OS package and an application package, so the latter couldn't result in the installation of the former. Since you are looking to add restrictions to the Application Manager for certain types of packages, it might make more sense to create a separate and tailored GUI for the restricted packages. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: 'Locking down' software installation
Neil MacLeod wrote: I like the idea of being able to apply OS patches, however it sounds like this functionality doesn't quite fit in the Application Manager application so why not provide a separate Upgrade Operating System GUI application that has all the checks and balances you need built in to it without polluting the standard user-friendly Application Manager? The Upgrade OS could be designed so that it applies all the latest patches/meta packages or just a single patch/package, and would not allow uninstallation of installed patches/packages. There would be no relationship between an OS package and an application package, so the latter couldn't result in the installation of the former. Since you are looking to add restrictions to the Application Manager for certain types of packages, it might make more sense to create a separate and tailored GUI for the restricted packages. Maybe I'm talking to myself, but the ability to upgrade the operating system seems to be a misplaced function in a tool called Application Manager. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or prehaps that we do not have a problem but a variety of personal preferences that lead us to the usual can't suit them all situation ;) --jakub I'd like to meet the real people who gave feedback on the N800 - not only have they given away the vital hard-case, but they're either all right-handed or only weakly left-handed! :) Placing the buttons on one side cannot be satisfactory for both left and right handed users - such a decision clearly expresses a bias to one group or the other. The argument it works for both isn't logical, and in practice such decisions rarely work well in the real world - this is a prime example. The N800 (and also the 770) design is biased towards right handed people, and gives no concession to lefties. Lets face it, the software doesn't even support left handed people either as there is no RandR support - this wouldn't be hard to implement as a standard feature. I'm not proposing that Nokia are sued for completely ignoring the requirements of a substantial proportion of the worlds population, but eventually I hope *someone* is sued and maybe then firms like Nokia will take note and design products accordingly. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this
Eero Tamminen wrote: Hi, Personally, I just avoid sites which consistently include Flash done by idiots. Maybe you could complain to the sites hosting them that they tried to do a denial-of-service attack against your machine? :-))) PS. It would be nice to have something like noscript for Flash where I could enable Flash only for sites on which I really want to see the Flash content. As JS Flash are both powerful programming languages that run random programs fetched from the network in the (Browser) sandbox on your machine, I consider them pretty big (potential) security holes... The sites that don't work on the N800 are fine on a PC - granted the PC has more horsepower, but it doesn't prove the Flash is written by idiots. We all know the N800 struggles with Flash/youtube videos so a more appropriate conclusion would seem to be that the N800 Flash player simply isn't up to snuff for videos AND adverts. See https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1006, specifically comment #3. What Opera needs is something similar to the Firefox FlashBlocker plugin - this plugin maintains a list of URLs for friendly Flash sites and Flash will be played only for those sites. Add the per-URL option Don't sleep for this site and everyone will be happy: users of LastFM/Pandora will be happy as they can prevent their device from sleeping while playing music, and non-friendly sites with malicious/idiot Flash adverts can still be accessed and navigated without having to disable Flash entirely. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet
Bastien Nocera wrote: Do you see any console joypads from Sony or Microsoft with the arrows on the left, and main buttons on the right? No, and I bet they're real fun to play for lefties. :) Does that mean it's right, er, correct though? I do remember the old Atari Lynx worked for both left and right handers - it had screen rotation and a symmetrical design. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: Two power management settings
Larry Battraw wrote: Any battery/cell [1] can be overcharged, particularly Lithiums as they cannot tolerate overcharge without potentially dire consequences. I thought Lithium cells came with protection circuits to prevent over charging? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure about that easily in your post, I bet people are actually sweating over every fraction of FPS improvement ;) --jakub I hope so. Today I tried to read an article on www.theregister.co.uk and this site is unfortunately floating a Flash-based advert over the top of each article. When I went to read one article the N800 browser hung while it tried to display the Flash advert, and after 20 minutes it still hadn't finished displaying the advert. A further 5 minutes of back button pressing later succeeded in extricating myself from the page and disabling the Flash plug-in entirely. About 30 minutes later the device shut down because the battery was low!! It's not just video where the Flash player is woeful, it's even standard Flash adverts. I wish sites would not use them but they do, the only option is to leave Flash disabled - it may as well not have been shipped with the N800. The Flash player provided with OS 2006 is actually better than the Flash player provided with OS 2007 as the former will not play certain CPU intensive content whereas the latter will play such content and consequently sucks up 100% CPU and hangs the device. I know which I prefer! ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this
Jon Smirl wrote: On 2/12/07, Neil MacLeod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure about that easily in your post, I bet people are actually sweating over every fraction of FPS improvement ;) --jakub I hope so. Today I tried to read an article on www.theregister.co.uk and this site is unfortunately floating a Flash-based advert over the top of each article. When I went to read one article the N800 browser hung while it tried to display the Flash advert, and after 20 minutes it still hadn't finished displaying the advert. A further 5 minutes of back button pressing later succeeded in extricating myself from the page and disabling the Flash plug-in entirely. About 30 minutes later the device shut down because the battery was low!! maps.yahoo.com with flash interface doesn't work www.zillow.com which uses flash doesn't work Neither of these display video. They seem to hang forever. An update on the problem page I'm accessing on theregsiter.co.uk web site. It's this page: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/08/rtfm_episode_3 This article has a Flash advert in the right-hand column. However, if you view the page on the N800 maemo-launcher consumes 95%+ CPU/20% MEM. The browser application is rendered unresponsive but can be killed, which is generally the only option. Interestingly if Optimised View is enabled, the Flash advert that should appear in the right-hand column floats over the main page in the top left corner - CPU is still through the roof however. It's ironic that the advert in question is by Crucial with the tag line Is your computer running slowly? - I kid you not... :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet
Ted Zlatanov wrote: The N800 successor should have a scroll wheel on the side. It would make 90% of my daily stylus use (while browsing the web and reading RSS feeds) unnecessary. Unlike the D pad, scrolling should be purely a mouse button 4/5 operation, not move to the next link OR the next page, UNLESS I hold the button down, which is why I don't use the D pad for scrolling. It's just too hard to go to the next page, which is a very common operation. Ted I totally agree that a scroll/jog wheel is essential for vertical scrolling, which may translate into previous/next page functionality depending on the application etc. Obviously the wheel can be used to select (push in) and even perform horizontal scrolling by tilting the wheel, but that depends on how creative Nokia want to get on this. Positioning the wheel on the top left or top right shoulders of the device would work for me (as I'm right handed) but this would not work at all for a left-handed person who has to rotate the screen 180 degrees for comfortable use (secondary wheel in the bottom right corner?) I think Nokia need to give more consideration to left-handed users - lefties should consider class action suits against big corps citing discrimination and access issues! :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: Bricked a third time
Richard Pickler wrote: The second time, I was installing some packages I built myself, and it crashed, which I could not recover from. (this one I'll take the blame for). Why should you take the blame? This is a consumer oriented device and software installation is promoted as a user feature - it should not brick the device, period! What actually happened though - did the device end up in a reboot loop? This last time, I did nothing. The battery probably drained all the way over the weekend, and when I plugged it back in, it wouldn't boot again. Wouldn't boot at all or stuck in a reboot loop? Any thoughts? Anybody else having problems like this? You may need to provide more details, but quite a few people are experiencing reboot loops for no apparent reason, check https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=999 for more details. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: Two power management settings
Jon Smirl wrote: There is a significant application area being missed by not having two power settings. When you get to your desk and plug the device in it should, if you configure it to, leave the screen on and run a screen saver type application. This screen saver could work as a clock, music player with album art, show pictures of the kids, show your calendar, etc, etc. This passive behavior should be automatic as soon as the device is plugged into AC. This application area is what chumby, www.chumby.com, is all about. The N770/N800 can be useful on the desk as well as on the go. This is exactly what Windows Mobile allows. There are quite a few things Win Mobile does right that the Nokia seems to have eschewed. Timed power management profiles might be a good idea too - screensaver at work, blank screen at home etc. for faster charging etc. I'll raise an RFE later today. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: Two power management settings
Jonathan Greene wrote: This is exactly what Windows Mobile allows. There are quite a few things Win Mobile does right that the Nokia seems to have eschewed. Timed power management profiles might be a good idea too - screensaver at work, blank screen at home etc. for faster charging etc. I'll raise an RFE later today. Agree - this would be great on my nightstand and at my desk... Seems to work when you are actively using Maemo Mapper which I usually do via car charger in-vehicle, so there must be some way to say keep the screen on https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1046 raised as an RFE. I've asked for two seperate AC and Battery settings, plus independent brightness settings for AC and Battery. I also mentioned adding support for screensavers which should probably only kick in the device is on AC power. Going beyond this, I've asked for timed and/or environment based power management profiles. Probably getting a bit fanciful here but why not - it's very do-able and would make sense in several circumstances, and would also give Nokia the leg up over Win Mobile! :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Two power management settings (was: FM Radio - suggestions)
Jon Smirl wrote: Is the N800 smart enough to know when it is on AC and not blank the display? The N770 didn't appear to have this feature. The clock could be set as a screen saver when on AC power. I think it's a mistake that there is only one set of power management timeouts - there should be separate timeouts for battery and AC power. With two power management settings you would specify much longer dim and blanking screen timeout values (perhaps even infinite) when the device is on AC power, but specify short values (perhaps 2 and 5 minutes) when on battery power. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: 4GB SD card results
Josh Harrison wrote: Ok all, I bought and stuck a 4GB SD card into my N800 - and it works. The N800 cannot handle formatting the 4GB SD, it formats as a 2GB card. I stuck it into my reader on my computer and formatted it to it's full potential, and reinserted the card back into the N800, and sure enough, the memory manager shows 3.93GB free on my card. Hope this can serve as useful information for those out there in the tubes. Josh I assume you formatted the card using the File Manager, in which case the N800 will format the card using FAT16 - 2GB is the maximum volume/partition supported by the FAT16 filesystem. The N800 also understands FAT32 and this is what your PC used to format the 4GB card so when you re-inserted it back into the N800 the full card capacity could be accessed by the N800. Basically, the N800 needs to use FAT32 when formatting 2GB partitions, and FAT16 = 2GB. Until this issue is resolved you will have to continue formatting your card in your PC to get the maximum capacity, or use mkdosfs in xterm. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: 4GB SD card results
Jonathan Greene wrote: Just curious... why / how can the device read something it can't write? Guess it works out for us, but that's a tad either off or lame, perhaps both. My guess is the File Manager application is simply hard wired to format SD cards with the FAT16 file system - hence the 2GB support limit stated by Nokia for the N800. The device itself can probably read FAT12, FAT16 and FAT32 fle systems as this support is pretty standard in Linux - they may even be standard kernel module(s) as so many storage devices use FAT. So, it's not a limitation of the OS - just a slightly brain dead File Manager application (specifically: the Format option!) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
Mike Klein wrote: I'm in the no built-in cellular camp - for me, this was a smart move as I can use the N800 with whatever phone I have now (GSM/GPRS) and with whatever phone I get with my next upgrade (almost certainly a GSM/HSDPA phone). Nokia probably took a look at the data plans offered by most network providers around the world, saw things were bad (ie. charging the Earth per megabyte with all sorts of usage restrictions - no voip etc. - and transfer caps) and decided the World simply isn't ready for mass consumer internet on the move over mobile networks. In which case, why bother complicating the N800 with this potentially unnecessary hardware? And aside from business users, few people will have data-only SIMs when they can just as easily use their mobile phone over Bluetooth. Also, by adding cellular hardware the Internet Tablet suddenly becomes regionalised - CDMA for USA/Korea, GSM for the rest of the world, not to mention all the HDSPA/EDGE/EVDO/Whatever high-speed variants. Different hardware and possibly different firmware for each region - nice! Summary: No phone hardware == Master stroke :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] RSS News Reader application only shows a few articles
I'm just looking for a sanity check here. I've raised bug #953 (https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=953) which questions why the N800 RSS news reader application only displays the most recent one or two articles from each feed, even though each feed may have 40+ articles available. According to the RSS specification (comment #2 - is this specification available online?) this behaviour is correct, which in my mind leaves the news reader application fundamentally broken. When using regular updates, the application will only ever display a handful of the latest articles, deleting any previous articles you may not have read, which is useless!! :) I'd appreciate any feedback here (or in the bug - even a vote) to confirm if you believe the current behaviour is correct (in which case it's just myself and Jakub that have issues!) or if you agree with myself and Jakub - the news reader is broken. Many thanks Neil ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: Charge from a USB port.
Simon Moore wrote: No we just chopped the end off the nokia charger and soldered to a USB lead. I was unable to source the correct size power plug from Maplin or anywhere else it is smaller than the smallest hence the chopping off. Regards Simon Interesting solution! I think I can wait for Nokia to bring the CA-100 to market, assuming it won't be much longer - besides I don't have any spare 2mm tip AC chargers that I can cannibalise! :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: brightness Re: Re: Storage/Sleep Issues..
Igor Stoppa wrote: Power saving is not so important when the _energy_ wasted is so little and for an event which is supposed to happen very seldom (you don't turn off your device, don't you?). Igor - it's pretty obvious you use your N800 very differently to the rest of us. Do you take yours out of the lab, put it in your pocket with or without keys, use it in a very dark room, etc. etc.? It seems you don't otherwise you'd have more appreciation for the fundamental flaws in the current design - we don't all use our device like you want us to! :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: Storage/Sleep Issues..
John P. Mitchell wrote: Thanks for the heads up. That helps to understand the behavior better. I just assumed I was using incorrectly some how. Maybe I should have looked through bugzilla as well. I only entered bug #959 the other night once it had been identified on the Internet Tablet Talk forum what the problem is, as the inconsistent behaviour - some users report their screen disabled immediately, others (myslelf included) have it continue responding to touches even after locking - has been confusing users since day #1. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: ssh install failure
Zoran Kolic wrote: Sorry to reply so lately. I had hard time to send mail to the maemo ser- ver, whatever the reason is. (Why wrap the text so narrowly?) The eyes go downward, not left-right. Hi Zoran English, when written with a fixed-width font, typically contains 12-14 words per line (on average). Text with too many words per line becomes difficult to follow, and text with too few words per line rapidly becomes irritating and uncomfortable to read due to the excessive left-right-down motion required by the eye balls as they follow the text. As has been demonstrated by the extreme examples in previous posts, your argument that The eyes go downward, not left-right is clearly flawed - the eyes do in fact go left-right AND down! The point is to format text in such a way that it is comfortable for the eyes to read it - all of your posts so far have failed in this respect, unless of course the reader suffers from tunnel vision. Just a thought, but you may end up receiving fewer replies to your messages as people won't bother to read what you have to say due to the poor formatting, in which case it's in your own interests to at least try to conform. My advice to you would be to stop inserting carriage returns every 6 or 7 words and instead allow the text to wrap normally so that the viewer can read your messages with text formatted as narrow or as wide as they feel comfortable. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
