[Mailman-Users] Re: is log4j2 leveraged in Mailman version 2.1.14-1?

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On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 2:40 PM John Lake  wrote:
> Does Mailman version 2.1.14-1 utilize Java logging library log4j2 and if so, 
> what version does it use?

Mailman is written in python ... it doesn't use java libraries at all.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Web requests with garbage at the end of the list name

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On 8/18/21 3:36 PM, Jon Baron wrote:

I'm pretty sure that this comes from Proofpoint's "URL Defense"
system. 


Ah. OK.


But I don't understand what you mean by "hostile
listname" being "correct".


The listname before the garbage is correct.


 I suggest running all messages through .procmailrc
with this recipe:


The mangled list names are in the web UI, not email.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Web requests with garbage at the end of the list name

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On 8/18/21 11:34 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

Is anyone else seeing requests to their mailman install that look
something like this:

Aug 18 15:10:16 2021 (31166) Hostile listname: 
listname=midrange-l__;!!NVq9dfhzMyHqTw!wLl-dt8zxsuQuoyojs-UYmT_d65WZroClHaYGfHduJ561eT0B7baTQV1ogZzQKRRsw$:
remote=52.34.76.65


What log is that from?  I don't recognize the format.


mischief


  > But I don't understand what you mean by "hostile
  > listname" being "correct".

He means that "midrange-l" is the name of an active list at his site,
I'm pretty sure.


Exactly correct.


host(1) says the source or the request is AWS. :-/

None of this explains why the URL is targeting David's Mailman, unless
it's the Mailman host that is running the Proofpoint.  (It's not your
job ;-), but any further hints would be appreciates.


These requests are coming from an external source. I'm not running 
proofpoint.


Not much I can do about it, I guess.  Good to know the source of the 
requests though.


Not sure what proofpoint is trying to do. They are just getting errors.

Oh well.

Thanks for the info guys.

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[Mailman-Users] Web requests with garbage at the end of the list name

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Folks:

Is anyone else seeing requests to their mailman install that look 
something like this:


Aug 18 15:10:16 2021 (31166) Hostile listname: 
listname=midrange-l__;!!NVq9dfhzMyHqTw!wLl-dt8zxsuQuoyojs-UYmT_d65WZroClHaYGfHduJ561eT0B7baTQV1ogZzQKRRsw$: 
remote=52.34.76.65


Basically, the list name is correct, but the added "__;!NV..." makes it 
invalid.


The pattern is rather consistent ... "__;!NV" followed by a bunch of 
garbage.


Thanks!

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[Mailman-Users] Re: subscription flood, redux

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On 7/28/21 4:24 PM, Karl Berry wrote:

1) The above mailman-users thread refers to using fail2ban. This sounds
sensible. Does anyone have a a working fail2ban filter they can share
for this? 


I have it setup, but it's not very sophisticated ...

failregex = .*\/\s+-\s+-\s+\[.*\]\s+"POST\s+\/mailman\/subscribe

It's just looking for repeated subscribe attempts.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: reCAPTCHA problem with some lists

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On 6/1/21 12:23 PM, David Gibbs wrote:

On 6/1/21 10:40 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

  > --
  >    
  >    
  >    

You're missing  here.  I'm pretty sure that is what
accepts the input.  See comment in rendered output below.


Unless I'm missing something, there is no code in Mailman that replaces 
'mm-captcha-ui'.


In Cgi/listinfo.py, there is code that replaces 'mm-recaptcha-ui'

I'm running MM 2.1.29.


I think the mm-captcha-ui token is only used for text based captcha's. 
I'm using recaptcha only.


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[Mailman-Users] Re: reCAPTCHA problem with some lists

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On 6/1/21 10:40 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

  > --
  >
  >
  >

You're missing  here.  I'm pretty sure that is what
accepts the input.  See comment in rendered output below.


Unless I'm missing something, there is no code in Mailman that replaces 
'mm-captcha-ui'.


In Cgi/listinfo.py, there is code that replaces 'mm-recaptcha-ui'

I'm running MM 2.1.29.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: reCAPTCHA problem with some lists

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On 12/3/20 9:02 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote:

Look for the following line on those lists without the reCAPTCHA element:



Add the following two lines right below the above line:




That should reveal reCAPTCHA via the listinfo page for would-be 
subscribers to check when subscribing.


Folks:

Sorry for resurrecting an old thread, but I'm trying to get recaptcha 
working on my site ...


I've got the keys set in my mm_cfg.py file, and have quadruple verified 
that they are correct ... but for some reason I keep getting the error 
"reCAPTCHA validation failed: invalid-input-response" when submitting 
the form.


I'm 99% sure the listinfo.html template is correct.

--
  
  
  
  

  

---

It renders like this:

--
Would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily
  digest?
  
 No
  Yes

  

  
This form requires JavaScript.
https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api.js?hl=en";>

data-sitekey="6LeN3gwTABLV8GkJQlgj4YQC7BYHgDkdJLxZ">



  

	  value="Subscribe">



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Any suggestions on what I can do to try and diagnose the problem?

Thanks!

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Question on /var/lib/mailman/spam

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On 3/10/21 11:42 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

This is problematic. The idea is that the site admin can use these
messages to train some bayesian spam filter, but it is up to the site to
implement such a process. If you want to just ignore them, you could set
up a periodic cron to



Here's the script I have setup to feed accumulated spam into spamassassin.

https://gist.github.com/fallingrock/1afdc2117d771851255a737f7c3652b4

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[Mailman-Users] Re: DNSException: No Nameservers available for ...

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Try setting up a caching name server on the local machine.

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 12:02 PM Lars Bjørndal  wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> One member of a mailman mailing list on my system receives an error
> message when posting to the list:
>
>   You are not allowed to post to this mailing list From: a domain which
>   publishes a DMARC policy of reject or quarantine, and your message has been
>   automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are being rejected
>   in error, contact the mailing list owner at nssf-styre-ow...@nssf.us.
>
> In /var/log/mailman/error, I have:
>
>   DNSException: No Nameservers available for
>   usern...@blindeforbundet.no (_dmarc.blindeforbundet.no)
>
> There are not published any DMARC policy for the domain.
>
> I'm running mailman-2.1.30-1.fc31.x86_64 on a Fedora 31 server.
>
> I hope someone on tis list can help me figure out what's going on, and
> hopefully a fix.
>
> Thanks in advance
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Best way to slow down all the spam to my lists?

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On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 11:16 AM Chromatest J. Pantsmaker <
chromat...@chromatest.net> wrote:

> I'm the system admin (though I'm not great at it).  I have a problem with
> spam.  Hundreds of spam messages are posted to my lists each week.  They're
> non-subscribers so they don't go to the lists, but they *do* go to me, the
> list owner which floods my inbox.


I use RBL’s and the Spamassassin milter  in Postfix with great success

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[Mailman-Users] Check message size before moderation status?

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Folks:

I want to adjust my MM install so that it will check the message size
before a subscribers moderation status.

Would this be the appropriate change to mm_cfg.py?

GLOBAL_PIPELINE.remove('Moderate')
GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Emergency'), 'Moderate')

Thanks!

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[Mailman-Users] Include part of message when rejecting due to excessive size?

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My memory is failing me... I thought that, when rejecting a message from
the admin queue, part of the original message was included in the reject
message.

Is this true?

When I reject messages, just the reject message is sent.

If so, is there a setting that I need to adjust?

If not, is there any way to do that?

Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Delivery errors and spam grading

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On 3/18/2019 4:51 AM, Davide Marchi wrote:
1) How is it possible from Mailman monitor the delivery errors? Only 
sysadmin mail server from the logs?


This is what VERP deliveries are for. The FROM address is tagged so that 
bounces can be clearly identified.

https://wiki.list.org/DOC/So%20what%20is%20this%20VERP%20stuff

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[Mailman-Users] FYI: Mailbait operating under a new domain

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Folks:

Just a FYI ... the a--hole who runs mailbait.info appears to be operating under 
a new domain name ... smoremail.com.

If you've implemented any web rules to prevent attacks from mailbait, you'll 
need to update those rules.

This 'service' is supposed to allow you to fill your mailbox … why anyone would 
want to do this is beyond me … and it has absolutely ZERO protections against 
submitting someone else's email address.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Trying to secure the list server web page

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On 2/27/2019 11:13 AM, Jeffrey Westgate wrote:

OK.  thanks for that.  So I can copy/paste the same line in the
mm_cfg.py, at the bottom, under the site-specific config block?


Yes.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Trying to secure the list server web page

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On 2/27/2019 10:48 AM, Jeffrey Westgate wrote:

The setting I needed was actually in the Defaults.py, and not in the
mm_cfg.py. And it was http.  I did the change, pushed it out, and
we're back in fine form again.


Don't change Defaults.py!

Only change mm_cfg.py.

mm_cfg.py imports Defaults.py, but it may get overwritten when you upgrade.  
mm_cfg.py never gets overwritten.

http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/customizing.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Trying to secure the list server web page

[David Gibbs via Mailman-Users]

On 2/27/2019 10:01 AM, Jeffrey Westgate wrote:

when a list owner tends to the moderator requests, and hits the
Submit All Data button... depending on the browser, it says it is
going to send the information over an insecure connection  and
nothing happens results-wise - the request is not handled.

Is there some config we need to change in mailman to secure it
properly?


What is the DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN setting in mm_cfg.py?

I've got mine set to ...

DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'

... so all URL's go to https.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Manually treat certain domains as if they have restrictive DMARC policy

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On 1/29/2019 12:13 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

Also, Adding a global setting for dmarc_moderation_addresses on top of
the per-list setting is not difficult either. See

for how this was done for a global ban_list.


I'm by no means a Python expert (far from it), but I hacked this together...

=== modified file 'Mailman/Defaults.py.in'
--- Mailman/Defaults.py.in  2018-07-12 03:14:02 +
+++ Mailman/Defaults.py.in  2019-01-29 14:27:59 +
@@ -145,6 +145,11 @@
 # GLOBAL_BAN_LIST = ['xxx@aol\.com', '^yyy.*@gmail\.com$']
 GLOBAL_BAN_LIST = []

+# Installation wide DMARC list.  This is a list of email addresses and
+# regexp patterns (beginning with ^) that will be treated as if they
+# have a restrictive DMARC policy. Same examples as GLOBAL_BAN_LIST
+GLOBAL_DMARC_LIST = []
+
 # If the following is set to Yes, and a web subscribe comes from an IPv4
 # address and the IP is listed in Spamhaus SBL, CSS or XBL, the subscription
 # will be blocked.  It will work with IPv6 addresses if Python's py2-ipaddress

=== modified file 'Mailman/Handlers/SpamDetect.py'
--- Mailman/Handlers/SpamDetect.py  2018-12-01 04:13:12 +
+++ Mailman/Handlers/SpamDetect.py  2019-01-29 14:24:26 +
@@ -110,6 +110,7 @@
 dn, addr = parseaddr(msg.get('from'))
 if addr and mlist.dmarc_moderation_action > 0:
 if (mlist.GetPattern(addr, mlist.dmarc_moderation_addresses) or
+mlist.getPattern(addr, mm_cfg.GLOBAL_DMARC_LIST) or
 Utils.IsDMARCProhibited(mlist, addr)):
 # Note that for dmarc_moderation_action, 0 = Accept,
 #1 = Munge, 2 = Wrap, 3 = Reject, 4 = Discard





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Re: [Mailman-Users] Manually treat certain domains as if they have restrictive DMARC policy

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On 1/28/19 2:25 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
List of addresses (or regexps) whose posts should always apply 
dmarc_moderation_action regardless of any domain specific DMARC Policy.


That's close to what I want ... the only issue is that I'm looking for the 
behavior to be site wide not on a per-list basis.


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[Mailman-Users] Manually treat certain domains as if they have restrictive DMARC policy

[David Gibbs via Mailman-Users]

Folks:

I've got a number of subscribers who's email admins have set a policy such that, 
if a message is sent to them with their email address as the 'from' address, the 
message is rejected.


This is causing those peoples posts to bounce ... and, ultimately, they get 
unsubscribed.


Although the BEST course of action would be for the mail admin's to alter their 
spam filters or implement DMARC policies, that's a bit much to ask for.


To resolve this, I'm thinking of creating a flat file of domains that are 
causing this problem ... then modifying the _DMARCProhibited routine, in 
Utils.py, to read the flat file and treat domains found in that file as if they 
had a DMARC policy set to reject.


Do you think that will work ... or am I completely off base?  Perhaps there's 
already a mechanism in MM 2.1 that would do what I want (hopeful grin)?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Allow posting from addresses with modifiers?

[David Gibbs via Mailman-Users]

On 1/14/2019 12:13 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 1/14/19 8:40 AM, David Gibbs via Mailman-Users wrote:

Anyone know if it's possible to configure MM 2.1 to allow posting
with an email address that has a modifier?


You can't configure Mailman to just do it without making code
changes,


OK, thanks.

I might play around with that at some point in the future.

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[Mailman-Users] Allow posting from addresses with modifiers?

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Folks:

Anyone know if it's possible to configure MM 2.1 to allow posting with an email 
address that has a modifier?

For example ... if someone is subscribed as "john+li...@example.com", but their email 
comes from "j...@example.com", allow that address to post?

I've had some people ask me about this ability because they want to use the 
modifier address to help them filter messages.

Thanks!

david

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[Mailman-Users] Prevent MM from adding a CC for DMARC munged posts?

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Folks:

Does anyone know if there is a way to prevent MM from adding the original 
posters email address as a CC when the DMARC munging is done?

Thanks!

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[Mailman-Users] 'Warm up' an IP when moving a mailing list server to a new host?

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Folks:

This isn't specific to Mailman ... but is related to mailing list servers in 
general.

I've had my mailing lists on an in-house server for a long time (more than 15 
years).  I'm currently able to deliver mail to Yahoo without any problems.

I've been trying to move the mailing list server to an Amazon VPS ... and, of 
course, this means that the IP that I'm sending from is changing.

Unfortunately, Yahoo has started deferring mail delivery because the new IP 
doesn't have a reputation (although it's not on any black lists that I'm aware 
of).

The Yahoo postmaster support people are telling me that I should 'warm up' the 
IP by sending some mail to Yahoo from the new IP and continue to send from the 
old IP.

Any suggestions on how that might be accomplished?

The only thing I can think of is to move a few of my lists over to the new, do 
some apache contortion to proxy requests for the moved lists to the new host, 
and other rsync stuff to keep my archives in sync.

Yahoo is a major PITA.

david

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman & DMARC policy = none?

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Folks:

I'm curious as to how people are setting 'dmarc_none_moderation_action'... which 
controls how Mailman handles domains with a dmarc policy action of none (like 
gmail.com).


Is there a compelling reason to set it to Yes so that messages from such domains 
are munged or wrapped?


Thanks!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help needed using postfix as an outbound gateway for Mailman

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On 11/15/2018 10:17 AM, David Gibbs wrote:

And, yes, I know that I could use postfix as both the inbound &
outbound mail server ... which I probably should do, but I'm far more
familiar with using sendmail and have it setup & working fine on my
current list server.


I decided to bite the bullet and switch to postfix for inbound & outbound mail.

david

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[Mailman-Users] Help needed using postfix as an outbound gateway for Mailman

[David Gibbs]

Folks:

I need some help diagnosing a problem using postfix as my outbound mail server 
with Mailman.

Up front I want to say, I have this working FINE with my current mailman list 
server.  I'm in the process of moving my list server to an AWS lightsail 
instance.

And, yes, I know that I could use postfix as both the inbound & outbound mail 
server ... which I probably should do, but I'm far more familiar with using sendmail 
and have it setup & working fine on my current list server.

I've got just about everything setup and working fine.

The problem is, I'm seeing this in my mail log...

Nov 15 15:41:43 lists postfix/smtp[18136]: AA76A61E61: 
to=, relay=none, delay=0.01, 
delays=0/0/0/0, dsn=5.4.6, status=bounced (mail for localhost loops back to myself)

It _appears_ that postfix thinks it's the mail server for lists.atestdomain.net 
and can't deliver the mail because it doesn't know how to deliver the message.

Here's my current setup:

I have sendmail listening on the public SMTP ports on the server. I have postfix 
listening on localhost:24. Mailman is configured with the SMTPHOST & SMTPPORT set 
to localhost & 24.

So mail is received by sendmail, sent to & processed by Mailman, and Mailman 
sends the mail out by connecting to postfix on localhost:24.

The list mail is being delivered fine ... but bounces are not getting processed 
correctly.

I have the domain lists.atestdomain.net listed in the transport map indicating 
that mail for that domain should be sent to localhost:25.

You can see a relatively complete log fragment at 
https://code.midrange.com/e665e40f93.html

Here's (what I think are) the relevant postfix config file entries ...

main.cf:

myhostname = listmail.arealdomain.com
mydomain = $myhostname
myorigin = $mydomain
inet_interfaces = localhost
mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost
transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport

transport:
lists.atestdomain.net smtp:localhost:25
listmail.arealdomain.com smtp:localhost:25

master.cf
24  inet  n   -   n   -   -   smtpd

Any suggestions on what to look at?

david

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman & DMARC question

[David Gibbs]

Folks:

I need a confirmation of a theory regarding Mailman (well, mailing lists in 
general) and DMARC.

After updating to a version of MM that supports handling domains with DMARC 
policies, everything seems to be working OK.

My quandary is: Is there any risk in implementing my own more restrictive DMARC 
policy?

Currently my DMARC policy is 'p=none' ... but I'd like to change that to 
'p=quarantine'.

Is there any risk running mailing lists from a domain with that DMARC policy?

My theory is that there isn't ... since DMARC is mainly concerned with the from 
address and, as long as mail sent from my domain aligns with the DMARC policy, 
everything should be good.

Is this correct ... or am I missing something?

Thanks!

david

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to header not set in mime encoded digest's

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On 10/29/18 4:51 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

A simple, but possibly unsatisfactory solution is to put the following
two lines in mm_cfg.py

GLOBAL_PIPELINE.remove('ToDigest')
GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('ToOutgoing'), 'ToDigest')

This will cause the message to not be added to the digests until after
the header munging has occurred, but also means any DMARC actions to
munge the From: or wrap the message will be applied to the digested
message which may be undesirable.


Actually, this solution looks pretty good.

I've implemented it and am currently testing.

I think I owe a contribution to your beer fund. :)

david


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[Mailman-Users] Reply-to header not set in mime encoded digest's

[David Gibbs]

Folks:

On my lists, I have reply_goes_to_list set so users reply's default to the list 
address.


When MM 2.1.29 sends out a mime encoded digest, the individual messages in the 
digest don't have the reply-to header set so replies go back to the list (as 
with non-digest messages).


Is there any way to have the reply-to header set correctly on mime-digest 
messages?

Thanks!

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[Mailman-Users] Error in pipermail

[David Gibbs]

I just upgraded from a pretty old version of MM to 2.1.29 and everything 
appears to be working OK.

I noticed the following in my error log though.

I only have a few lists that archive using the built in functionality.

Oct 24 07:57:40 2018 (18940) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't 
decode byte 0xb5 in position 26: ordinal not in range(128)
Oct 24 07:57:40 2018 (18940) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 119, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 190, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 77, in _dispose
mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 216, in 
ArchiveMail
h.processUnixMailbox(f)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 596, in 
processUnixMailbox
self.add_article(a)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 640, in 
add_article
author = fixAuthor(article.decoded['author'])
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 63, in fixAuthor
while i>0 and (L[i-1][0] in lowercase or
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xb5 in position 26: 
ordinal not in range(128)

Any suggestions on how to fix this?

david

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Re: [Mailman-Users] reply_goes_to_list problem in 2.1.29

[David Gibbs]

On 10/20/18 2:07 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

As far as updating your local file is concerned, Mailman 2.1 only reads
the file once (Mailman 3 is different and re-reads it periodically) on
the first post following (re)start, so if the file actually changes, you
need to restart Mailman to pick up the changes. However, changes to that
list generally only affect domains that you probably don't see.


Good to know ... thanks for your help.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] reply_goes_to_list problem in 2.1.29

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On 10/20/18 12:52 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

The error I'm seeing is: Unable to retrieve data from

https://publicsuffix.org/list/public_suffix_list.dat: 


You need to upgrade SSL on your server.


Yeah, I know ... it's on the list.


As far as the actual error is concerned, this shouldn't affect reply-to
munging. Also, it should only affect organizational domain processing.


I suspect it is related, although I'm not sure how.  See below.;


Bottom line is I don't think this is affecting either your reply-to
munging or your DMARC mitigations. Is there anything about DMARC in
Mailman's vette log?


There were log entries indicating that it had parsed the DMARC policy correctly 
(the address I was testing had p=quarantine).


As for the suffix file ...

I changed my mm_cfg.py file to reference a local file instead of a URL so it 
doesn't need SSL (I'll retrieve the file periodically) using a mechanism that works.


Once I had the file setup the reply-to munging works and so does the DMARC 
handling.

At least my test list is working. :)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] reply_goes_to_list problem in 2.1.29

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On 10/20/18 11:17 AM, David Gibbs wrote:

I'm not seeing any errors in the logs.


Well, I did just see an error ... not specifically related to the reply-to issue 
... but probably related to another issue I'm seeing related to DMARC munging.


I have dmarc_moderation_action set to "munge from", but the from address isn't 
getting munged for domains that have dmarc=reject (like a yahoo or sbcgobal 
address).


The error I'm seeing is: Unable to retrieve data from 
https://publicsuffix.org/list/public_suffix_list.dat: 'error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure')>


My Linux install is REALLY old ... so that might be related.  Any suggestions on 
a workaround?


Thanks!

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[Mailman-Users] reply_goes_to_list problem in 2.1.29

[David Gibbs]

Folks:

I just upgraded from a REALLY old version of Mailman to 2.1.29 and have noticed 
a serious problem with reply_goes_to_list.


I have reply_goes_to_list set to 1, so a reply-to header is added to send 
replies back to the list.


This worked fine in the previous version that I was using (2.1.17 maybe).

However, when I post a message to my test list, the reply-to header isn't being 
added.


I'm not seeing any errors in the logs.

I've also set the value to 3 and set the list address as the explicit address 
and the reply-to header still isn't added.


Any suggestions?

Thanks!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Possibly OT: GDPR and list servers

[David Gibbs]

On 5/9/2018 9:05 AM, Alain D D Williams wrote:

* all those on the list subscribed themselves - they thus, at that time,
gave their consent to mailman/list-owner to have their email address for the
purpose of sending email; also on the sign up page I mention list archiving,
etc.


FWIW: I've added the following to a list rules message that is posted monthly.

"By posting to this mailing list, you are granting  perpetual, 
non-exclusive, unlimited, and irrevocable, rights to the content."

I've had people, who thought the questions they asked on a list reflected 
poorly on them, try to 'revoke' my right to publish the content they had 
contributed.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

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On 4/15/2018 5:53 PM, Steven Jones wrote:

We are currently under brute force attack on our mailman server's web
ui.

Is there anything / feature that Mailman has that can be used to
watch/monitor it?


Can you elaborate on how they are attacking?

If it's a detectable pattern, I suggest you investigate fail2ban (as Christian 
suggested).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to blocking malicious subscription requests?

[David Gibbs]

On 9/5/2017 9:55 AM, Ian Kelling wrote:

There is at least one very major mail provider where
joe+any_string@domain goes to the inbox of joe by default, allowing
bad people to get my mailman instance to send many subscription mails
to joe+random_string@domain, messing up joe's inbox, because mailman
just sees different addresses. Can mailman stop doing this? If not,
I'm open to an exim rule to block or at least rate limit mailman from
doing this too.


You can use BAN_LIST on a list by list basis or GLOBAL_BAN_LIST in the config 
(in MM 2.1.21).

My observation about the attack is that they are doing a GET on the subscribe 
page to retrieve the hidden sub_form_token form field value and then doing a 
post to do the subscribe.

I modified the source for my install of MM to change the hidden field name.

I've had no successful or unsuccessful subscribe attempts since.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Distributed mass subscribe attack?

[David Gibbs]

On 8/17/17 3:47 PM, Andy Cravens wrote:

I forgot to mention I’m also working on a modsecurity rule to look at
all POSTs and reject if they contain an email address with a + sign.


I'm interested in both your recaptcha mod & mod_security rule ... please
post (or contact me privately) when you make some progress.

If you're interested in my MM mod, let me know.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Distributed mass subscribe attack?

[David Gibbs]

On 8/8/2017 12:22 PM, David Gibbs wrote:

Anyone else noticing a distributed mass subscribe attack going on
their lists?

I've noticed a massive number of attempts a small subset of email
addresses, with modifiers (address+modif...@example.com), going on.

It appears the address is valid ... so it appears to be some kind of
hit job to flood someone's inbox.


FWIW: I did a bit of hacking (super simple) and think I've found a way to 
thwart the attempt (at least on my server).

It appears that the bot that's doing the attack first gets the subscribe form, 
so it can retrieve the sub_form_token value, before it does a POST to do the 
subscribe.

I changed the subscribe & listinfo scripts to use a different name for the 
sub_form_token field.  Something unique to my system.

I've seen a lot of GETS & POSTS from the hosts that were doing the attack and 
no subscribe's logged.

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[Mailman-Users] Distributed mass subscribe attack?

[David Gibbs]

Folks:

Anyone else noticing a distributed mass subscribe attack going on their lists?

I've noticed a massive number of attempts a small subset of email addresses, 
with modifiers (address+modif...@example.com), going on.

It appears the address is valid ... so it appears to be some kind of hit job to 
flood someone's inbox.

Luckily the address's are trivial to block using 'ban_list'.

The hosts they are using appear to be from all over the place, although they do 
seem to be favoring hosts serviced by virtua.com.br.

david


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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to check if E-mail from Mailman was opened by the subscriber ?

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On 7/27/2017 10:09 AM, Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users wrote:

Compare it with normal (paper, snail mail) you send out to your
clients. There, you have no guarantee if the recipient opened it /
looked at it - unless you send it by "registered mail".


FWIW: Even sending registered snail mail is no guarantee that the letter was 
opened or read ... just that it was delivered.

As to the OP's question ... There's no sure way to verify a message has been 
read.  Some MLM systems use HTML beacons, but they are trivial to defeat. In 
fact, most email programs provide the option to not load remote images when 
viewing. Also, if someone chooses to read all mail in plain text, the beacon is 
meaningless.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Blocking or holding subscribe requests when email address contains "+"

[David Gibbs]

On 9/15/2015 1:13 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

Unfortunately, Mailman sends out the confirmation email before
requiring approval.  I want to stop (or hold) the subscription
request before the confirmation message goes out.



You want a regexp in the ban_list for each list. For the python.org
lists we use

^.*\+.*\d{3,}@

I.e., + followed by anything followed by at least 3 digits followed
by @.


THANK YOU!  This is exactly the solution I was looking for.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Blocking or holding subscribe requests when email address contains "+"

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On 9/15/2015 11:31 AM, Richard Damon wrote:

The only thing I can think of is to require approval of all
subscriptions (and maybe confirmation) and then build a regexp to
auto approve all addresses without a + in them. I don't know how this
will interact with the ban list (if you need that).


Unfortunately, Mailman sends out the confirmation email before requiring 
approval.  I want to stop (or hold) the subscription request before the 
confirmation message goes out.

Maybe I have to look into a captcha integration?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with ISPs that blacklist by message volune?

[David Gibbs]

Beau James wrote:
 The trigger seems to be that some of our subscriber's ISP domans don't
 like too many incoming messages per hour from one originating domain.
 Worse, some of these ISPs apparently report the domain and the IP address
 of the originating MTA to some of the blacklist siets.  In very short order,
 we're dead.  And so are all the other lists hosted on our ISPs server.

I've had issues with some ISP's rate limiting deliveries (small ISP's, not the 
major ones) ... but *NONE* of them have ever submitted any of my IP's to a RBL 
site.

Perhaps something else is going on?  Have you checked your outbound port 25 
traffic to make sure all the traffic is yours?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol

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Brad Knowles wrote:
Yeah, but rate-limiting is nothing like having all your e-mail silently 
dropped on the floor.  At least you're getting something through, and 
you usually know something about that fact.


Obviously ... I just mentioned it to show AOL's general perspective towards 
people who participate in the feedback loop program.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol

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Brad Knowles wrote:
So, either way, we're screwed.  AOL is determined to delete any and all 
data that would actually be useful to us in our jobs, and they are 
determined to file all these reports automatically.


And I'm *SURE* they will _never_ consider moving the Report to TOS button away from the 
Delete Message button ... or asking if the user is sure they want to report a message 
to TOS.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol

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Brad Knowles wrote:
If you set yourself up to receive them, it's a lot harder for AOL to 
automatically mark you as a spammer.  


Actually, in my experience, AOL doesn't give a rats a-- that you are setup for 
the feedback loop (at least the old program) ... if they thought you might be a 
spammer they will still rate limit your delivery even if they send feedback to 
you.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] line returns missing

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Michael:

I'm jumping into this thread midstream, but this comment caught my eye...


Some supposedly full-featured MUAs, Outlook  Exchange, have been
victims.


Some of those (so called) full-features MUA's specifically merge lines together when they shouldn't be ... and it's not even related to Mailman.  


This has caused me untold problems when it's not noticed.  A few months ago one 
of our QA people sent me a few commands intended to replicate a problem ... but 
Exchange, in it's infinite wisdom, (arbitrarily) wrapped two the lines into one 
... which caused the commands to fail.

Outlook does, however, inform the user when it's removed extra line breaks ... 
and you can click on the message to restore them.  The message is very easy to 
miss.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman group on LinkedIn

[David Gibbs]

Brad Knowles wrote:
That's fine for an unofficial group, but did you contact the maintainers 
of the Mailman project to get approval to use the graphic?  


Well, I didn't specifically ask permission ... but I kind of assumed 
that, since Mailman is GPL, the logo fell under the same license.


The Official Mailman group for LinkedIn is at 
http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/134678/7C9AFD40B231.  As far as I'm 
concerned, you're welcome to keep your unofficial group if you like, but 
this one will be maintained by me and others who provide official 
support for the Mailman project.


If I knew the group existed, I would not have created mine.  LinkedIn 
really needs to get their act together and create a group directory or 
search function.


I assumed that such a group did not exist because I found Barry's 
profile on LinkedIn and didn't see such a group reference on his profile.


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[Mailman-Users] Mailman group on LinkedIn

[David Gibbs]

Folks:

On a lark, I created a Mailman group on LinkedIn.

If you would like to join the group, visit 
http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/134598/181E8C14C43E.


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[Mailman-Users] Automatically creating short URL's?

[David Gibbs]

Folks:

Has anyone considered the idea of using one of the URL shortening
services (tinyurl.com, etc) to automatically process URI's in messages
processed by mailman?

When people on my lists post URL's, they are quite often long and
unwieldy ... it would be nice if I could automatically translate those
long URI's into shorter versions.

Thanks!

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[Mailman-Users] raising a string exception is deprecated?

[David Gibbs]

I just upgraded to Fedora 8, which includes Python 2.5.1, and started
noticing this error cropping up:

/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py:512: DeprecationWarning: raising a
string exception is deprecated
  raise quickexit

Is this something I should be concerned with?

Particularly the raise quickexit has be a bit worried ... is the
process that is being executed completing?

The above message was encountered when the checkdbs cronjob was running.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop spam emails

[David Gibbs]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 if they want to integrate SpamAssassin with Mailman at some point,
 refer them to
 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=640518group_id=103atid=300103.

I can endorse this patch ... I've used it for years and it works great.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL's Client TOS Notification

[David Gibbs]

Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
 Never overestimate the cluefulness of AOL.com users.

It doesn't help that AOL put the Report SPAM button right next to the
Delete button.

I've had a number of people report mail from my lists as spam when they
thought they were simply deleting a message they had finished reading.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] RSS

[David Gibbs]

Jason [WeatherServer] wrote:
 Anyone have the RSS patch working with the latest version of Mailman 
 or does Mailman have RSS built in and I just can't find it.

I've got an RSS feed working with MhonArc, which I'm using as an
external archiver.

http://david.fallingrock.net/2005/07/22/rss-from-mhonarc/

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[Mailman-Users] ics / iCalendar attachments?

[David Gibbs]

Has anyone configured Mailman to allow ICS / iCalendar attachments?

I've added text/calendar to the pass_mime_types setting in content
filtering, but the ICS attachment was removed.

The full content of pass_mime_types is:

multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative
multipart/related
text/plain
text/html
text/calendar
application/pdf


Here's how the mime attachment was included for the ICS file (I mangled
it a bit to make sure it didn't get parsed) ...

--
Content- Type: text/calendar; method=REQUEST; name=invite.ics;
charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

BEGIN:VCALENDAR
PRODID:-//Google Inc//Google Calendar 70.9054//EN
VERSION:2.0
CALSCALE:GREGORIAN
METHOD:REQUEST
snip
--

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] ics / iCalendar attachments?

[David Gibbs]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 That should do it. What are your other content filtering settings?

filter_content = yes

filter_mime_types = blank

pass_mime_types = multipart/mixed multipart/alternative
multipart/related text/plain text/html text/calendar application/pdf

filter_filename_extensions = exe bat cmd com pif scr vbs cpl

pass_filename_extensions = blank

collapse_alternatives = yes

convert_html_to_plaintext = yes

filter_action = forward to owner

 And what is the complete MIME structure of the message containing the
 calendar? I.e., is the text/calendar part a subpart of some other part
 type that isn't accepted?

Don't think so ... but I'm not an expert in mime-encodong ..

Here's the a full message that has the calendar attachment ...

Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.nospam.com
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,
DK_POLICY_SIGNSOME,MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME autolearn=ham version=3.1.7
Received: from mail.il.us.asdf.com (mail.il.us.asdf.com [127.0.0.2])
by mail.nospam.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kAR1vZsv029181
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:57:40 -0600
Received: from ilntexch.asdf.com (ilntexch.asdf.com [10.17.1.10])
by mail.il.us.asdf.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B696182A
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:27:30 -0500 (EST)
Content-class: urn:content-classes:calendarmessage
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01C711C7.683876B5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0
Subject: test
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:57:35 -0600
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
Thread-Topic: test
Thread-Index: AccRx2gZFDduLb4eQTWBBmJeW2QHRgTY
From: David Gibbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2242/Sat Nov 25 12:29:12 2006 on
rivendell.nospam.com
X-Virus-Status: Clean
Status: RO
X-Status: A
Content-Length: 2042
X-UID: 1576
X-Keywords:


This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

--_=_NextPart_001_01C711C7.683876B5
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

VHlwZTpTaW5nbGUgTWVldGluZw0KT3JnYW5pemVyOkRhdmlkIEdpYmJzDQpTdGFydCBUaW1lOlN1
bmRheSwgTm92ZW1iZXIgMjYsIDIwMDYgODowMCBQTQ0KRW5kIFRpbWU6U3VuZGF5LCBOb3ZlbWJl
ciAyNiwgMjAwNiA4OjMwIFBNDQpUaW1lIFpvbmU6KEdNVC0wNjowMCkgQ2VudHJhbCBUaW1lIChV
UyAmIENhbmFkYSkNCkxvY2F0aW9uOm5vd2hlcmUNCg0KKn4qfip+Kn4qfip+Kn4qfip+Kg0KDQoN
Cg0K

--_=_NextPart_001_01C711C7.683876B5
Content-class: urn:content-classes:calendarmessage
Content-Type: text/calendar;
method=REQUEST;
name=meeting.ics
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

BEGIN:VCALENDAR
METHOD:REQUEST
PRODID:Microsoft CDO for Microsoft Exchange
VERSION:2.0
BEGIN:VTIMEZONE
TZID:(GMT-06.00) Central Time (US  Canada)
X-MICROSOFT-CDO-TZID:11
BEGIN:STANDARD
DTSTART:16010101T02
TZOFFSETFROM:-0500
TZOFFSETTO:-0600
RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;WKST=MO;INTERVAL=1;BYMONTH=10;BYDAY=-1SU
END:STANDARD
BEGIN:DAYLIGHT
DTSTART:16010101T02
TZOFFSETFROM:-0600
TZOFFSETTO:-0500
RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;WKST=MO;INTERVAL=1;BYMONTH=4;BYDAY=1SU
END:DAYLIGHT
END:VTIMEZONE
BEGIN:VEVENT
DTSTAMP:20061127T015737Z
DTSTART;TZID=(GMT-06.00) Central Time (US  Canada):20061126T20
SUMMARY:test
UID:{2DEE9D74-A5C9-4082-B980-549FDF93EA67}
ATTENDEE;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP=TRUE;CN=[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:MAILTO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ORGANIZER;CN=David Gibbs:MAILTO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
LOCATION:nowhere
DTEND;TZID=(GMT-06.00) Central Time (US  Canada):20061126T203000
DESCRIPTION:\N\N
SEQUENCE:1
PRIORITY:5
CLASS:
CREATED:20061127T015735Z
LAST-MODIFIED:20061127T015735Z
STATUS:CONFIRMED
TRANSP:OPAQUE
X-MICROSOFT-CDO-BUSYSTATUS:BUSY
X-MICROSOFT-CDO-INSTTYPE:0
X-MICROSOFT-CDO-INTENDEDSTATUS:BUSY
X-MICROSOFT-CDO-ALLDAYEVENT:FALSE
X-MICROSOFT-CDO-IMPORTANCE:1
X-MICROSOFT-CDO-OWNERAPPTID:-1
BEGIN:VALARM
ACTION:DISPLAY
DESCRIPTION:REMINDER
TRIGGER;RELATED=START:-PT00H15M00S
END:VALARM
END:VEVENT
END:VCALENDAR

--_=_NextPart_001_01C711C7.683876B5--


Thanks!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] ics / iCalendar attachments?

[David Gibbs]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Since your content filtering options include collapse_alternatives =
 yes, Mailman selects only the first alternative of those that remain
 after initial filtering for delivery to the list. Thus the
 text/calendar alternative is dropped in favor of the text/plain
 alternative.

Ok, that I can understand.

 1) teach Microsoft Exchange to send the calendar part only without the
 text/plain alternative, or generate the message differently so it does
 that, or

Two words: Brick-wall  Head (as in: hitting one against the other ...
I'll accomplish the same whichever I do).

Although I don't think it's a M$ Exchange problem ... when I sent a
event attachment with GMail, I get the same behavior.

 2) set collapse_alternatives = no, but this may have other, unwanted
 effects.

Maybe.  I'll have to experiment.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] ics / iCalendar attachments?

[David Gibbs]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 If all the MUA's send the text/calendar part with a text/plain 
 alternative, then what you need to do is 2).

Yep, figured that.

 The potentially unwanted effects I had in mind are that your current 
 settings accept both text/plain and text/html, but if a text/html
 part has a text/plain alternative, only the text/plain part is sent
 to the list. Setting collapse_alternatives = no will mean that in
 these cases, both alternatives will be sent to the list in the
 original multipart/alternative form. You may see this as neutral,
 positive or negative.

This is for one list with a very limited audience, so I don't think the
ramifications will be significant.


Thanks very much for your help.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing the 'reply-to'

[David Gibbs]

JT Thompson wrote:
 I had changed major domo so that anytime you sent to the list, when 
 the email came in, if you hit 'reply' it would send back to the list,
  and show 'on behalf of username' so you'd know who sent it. Surely 
 this must be possible in mailman but I couldn't find any real info on
  reply_to in the config for the test list I set up.

Check out the reply_goes_to_list, first_strip_reply_to, and
reply_to_address options on the general settings page.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] RSS

[David Gibbs]

Jason [WeatherServer] wrote:
 Is there a way to convert the mailman archives to RSS

I'm generating RSS with MHonArc.

http://david.fallingrock.net/2005/07/22/rss-from-mhonarc/

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Best practices

[David Gibbs]

Lawrence Bowie wrote:
 I have been rejecting messages from non-members but I am
 not sure that is the best practice. Is it better to discard
 rather than reject non-members messages?

It depends on the message ... if the message is topical, then I reject
the message indicating that to post a person must be subscribed, and if
they are subscribed, then they might be posting from a different email
address.

If the message isn't topical, then I just discard it (for which the
'discard all messages marked as deferred' check box is a boon), as those
are usually just spam.

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[Mailman-Users] Wiki (was: Versions? Roadmap?)

[David Gibbs]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 We would be glad to have your input and involvement. Please visit our
 new wiki at http://wiki.list.org/ which we hope will answer some of
 your questions.

Is there a place in the wiki where feature requests should be logged
(other than on the SF page)?

For instance: On the mailman 2.2 page, in the Spam defenses section, I
would like to see SpamAssassin integration ... but I'm unsure if I
should just add it to that page, or if something like that should be
added by an admin.

Thanks!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL to Implement E-mail Certification Program

[David Gibbs]

Larry Stone wrote:
 Nothing I do provides me any direct benefit so I'm sure as heck not paying
 for assured delivery. 

Stated like that (and I don't disagree in the slightest), AOL's new
program could be construed as extortion: Pay us money, or your mail
won't be delivered.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL to Implement E-mail Certification Program

[David Gibbs]

Brad Knowles wrote:
   Just saw this article at 
 http://www.clickz.com/news/article.php/3581301:
 
   AOL to Implement E-mail Certification Program

   Basically, unless you want to pay GoodMail to certify everything 
 sent by your list, you just won't get through to AOL recipients.  So, 
 I guess it's time to unsubscribe all AOL users.

I'm just going to tell my AOL subscribers to complain to AOL that they
aren't getting the mail they are expecting.

I figure there will be two possible outcomes ... a) AOL will change
their policy because of the number of complaints, or b) the AOL
subscribers will switch to a real email provider and the problem will go
away (along with, one hopes, AOL itself).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] SpamDetect loop?

[David Gibbs]

Tokio Kikuchi wrote:
 Can you test this patch?

Seems to be working fine.

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[Mailman-Users] SpamDetect loop?

[David Gibbs]

Folks:

Since I upgraded to MM 2.1.7 I've noticed something odd in my admin
queue ... it appears that messages coming through the SpamDetect
pipeline for the owner-address are getting into a loop.

Basically, if I get a message in my admin queue for 'out of office'
(simple spam filter), I get dozens if not hundreds of the following also
in my admin queue ...

---
As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
following mailing list posting:

List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RPG400-L post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] requires approval
Reason:  The message headers matched a filter rule

At your convenience, visit:

http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/admindb/rpg400-l

to approve or deny the request.
As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
following mailing list posting:

List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: user CV Rao/PGG/example is out of the office.
Reason:  The message headers matched a filter rule

At your convenience, visit:

http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/admindb/rpg400-l

to approve or deny the request.

I will be out of the office starting  11/01/2006 and will not return until
07/02/2006.
---

It *APPEARS* to me that the spam detect filters are keying on the out
of office message that is included in the original message.

As an experiment, I've removed the SpamDetect entry from the
OWNER_PIPELINE entry in mm_cfg.py.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] SpamDetect loop?

[David Gibbs]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 There are a few things going on. Did you upgrade from 2.1.6 or from
 pre-2.1.6? 

2.1.5 with some custom patches (nothing major, just text changes  the
like).

 Starting in 2.1.6, header_filter_rules are applied to the
 headers of sub-parts which might cause a problem if the admin
 notification contains something that matches, BUT there is a safety
 valve in that the SpamDetect process is never supposed to be applied
 to internally generated messages such as admin notifications.

Ok, that does appear to be what is happening ... but the safety valve
doesn't seem to be kicking in.

 So something is going wrong here, but I don't know what. I will
 investigate, but if you could send me off list what your
 header_filter_rules are and a copy of the original problem message, it
 may help me.

I'll send that under separate cover :)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] SpamDetect loop?

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Tokio Kikuchi wrote:
 I've coded that bug in the last minute of releasing. :-(

Doh!

 I think I can generate a patch, but in the meantime, please copy the
 SpamDetect.py file from 2.1.6 distribution and restart.

I've temporarily removed the SpamDetect module from the owner pipeline
and it seems to be working ok for now.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] SpamDetect loop?

[David Gibbs]

 Can you test this patch?

Ok.

 Removing SpamDetect from the owner pipeline means spams pass through to
 the list owner.  This should be inconvenient.

Eh ... I'm not 100% sure that particular module is all that effective.
I've been using one of the SpamAssassin integrations (from the patches
repository on sf) to great effect.

I'll let you know how the patch works ... I've applied it and re-enabled
the SpamDetect module in the owners pipeline.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman page won't display in browser (using VPN)

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Tristan Colson wrote:
 Mailman works fine from directly within our network, it just doesn't 
 work when I am using the VPN. 

Any chance there's a web proxy being used that is intercepting web
requests and doing some kind of filtering or translation?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] SPAM Control

[David Gibbs]

Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
 If you aren't already, DNSbl's to block connects from dynamic IPs, known 
 infected networks, spammers, etc. We're using combined.njabl.org, 
 sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org, and list.dsbl.org

In addition, I've found that greylisting the -admin, -join, -owner,
-request, and -subscribe, email addresses does a wonderful job of
reducing the drek that gets sent to the lists.

I've only had to greylist those addresses for 2 minutes to see good results.

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[Mailman-Users] Customizing Rejection notice with 2.1.6?

[David Gibbs]

I just upgraded to 2.1.6 and tried to customize the non-member rejection
notice by editing the 'nonmember_rejection_notice' value.

However, when a non-member posts and I reject it, the old Non-members
are not allowed to post messages to this list. message is being sent.

Is there something I missed?

Thanks!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Customizing Rejection notice with 2.1.6?

[David Gibbs]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 The message only applies to posts automatically rejected for
 reject_these_nonmembers match and generic_nonmember_action reject.

Darn it ... I misunderstood that.

Back to 2.1.5 I guess.

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[Mailman-Users] User flagged as no-mail with ? for reason

[David Gibbs]

Folks:

Anyone know what could cause a user to be flagged as no-mail with a
reason code of ??

I can't find any indication that mail was bouncing, and I certainly
didn't set them no-mail myself.

This subscriber had been receiving mail fine up to a few days ago and
then it stopped ... they called me about it, and when I looked, they
were flagged no mail.

Any thoughts?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] User flagged as no-mail with ? for reason

[David Gibbs]

John W. Baxter wrote:
Anyone know what could cause a user to be flagged as no-mail with a
reason code of ??
 The cause I'm familiar with is a list which passed through an upgrade from
 the days when the reason for no-mail wasn't recorded.

I saw that when I first upgraded to 2.1.5, but I've been on 2.1.5 for
many moons.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Remove original message from -request mail response?

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Jim Tittsler wrote:
 Does anyone know if there is a way to NOT include the original email
 when commands sent to the -request address responds?
 In Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py, try commenting out the section at the
 end of Results.send_response:

Ach, reply to this ... thanks very much for the patch.  It did exactly
what I was looking for.

 I would be concerned that doing that might make it more difficult for
 legitimate users to figure out what went wrong with their mail to the
 -request address though.

Not a major concern for me ... as few of my users interact with mailman
through email.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: List From Name

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James Becker wrote:
 I have setup mailing lists for my company to use for regular digests this is
 all working fine however my bosses hate the long from name that the emails
 come from, I'm talking about the on behalf of... part of the from name.
  
 I understand that xxx-bounces[at]xxx.com is needed to route back to mailman
 but how do I get rid of the on behalf of... as in this instance it's not
 needed.

That's an Exchange and/or Outlook behavior, not Mailman.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Non-members allowed to post!

[David Gibbs]

Larry Stone wrote:
Sorry if this is a dumb question ... but what header indicates the
envelope sender?
 None. The envelope sender is the return address (MAIL FROM: command) in
 the dialogue between the upstream mail server and your mail server. 

Ok, so then there is no way for Mailman to know the envelope sender,
right?  Mailman can only look at the mail that is piped into it from the
MTA (sendmail in my case), so if the information isn't available on the
headers, Mailman can't be aware of it.

Are we really talking about the 'sender' mail header?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Non-members allowed to post!

[David Gibbs]

Brad Knowles wrote:
  Are we really talking about the 'sender' mail header?
 Some MTAs may encode that information in the Sender: header, yes.

At this point I'm 99% sure that Mailman is misinterpreting the
'X-MailScanner-From' header, because that's the only place that the
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]' address is showing up.

Here's a copy of the full headers (personal email address obfuscated)
for a message that came from gmane.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] is indeed a
subscriber to the list in question.

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Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2])
by mail.midrange.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j29H988r031251
(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO)
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:09:15 -0600
Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43)
id 1D94du-0006l2-Pj
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:06:42 +0100
Received: from 209-23-60-152.tvc-ip.com ([209.23.60.152])
by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian))
id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:06:42 +0100
Received: from buck.calabro by 209-23-60-152.tvc-ip.com with local
(Gmexim 0.1
(Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:06:42 +0100
X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Buck Calabro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Making sense of 4-byte binary fields
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:04:06 -0500
Lines: 17
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
References:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Buck Calabro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Complaints-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-23-60-152.tvc-ip.com
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800
Sender: news [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Gmane-MailScanner: Found to be clean
X-Gmane-MailScanner: Found to be clean
X-MailScanner-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-MailScanner-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/758/Wed Mar 9 06:03:56 2005 on
linux.midrange.com
X-Virus-Status: Clean
X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by
milter-greylist-1.7.2
(mail.midrange.com [69.3.23.26]);
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Non-members allowed to post!

[David Gibbs]

Brad Knowles wrote:
 Does any Mailman administrator have any agreement with Gmane, or is
 it just the users.

I'm pretty sure it's the users.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Non-members allowed to post!

[David Gibbs]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
The only place that [EMAIL PROTECTED] shows up is in the
'X-MailScanner-From:' header.
It appears that Mailman is picking up the 'From:' information from the
wrong header.
How about the envelope sender? You can't tell from those headers what
that was, but I'm guessing that it too is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry if this is a dumb question ... but what header indicates the 
envelope sender?

As far as I could tell from the headers I saw, the *ONLY* place that 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] showed up was in the X-MailScanner-From header.

I'd say it's probably Gmane doing this. I guess the first question is
is [EMAIL PROTECTED] a list member and if so, why?
Yes, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a list member ... because that's how gmane 
receives list messages to process them into it's news server.

You might also check for USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER settings in mm_cfg.py. The
default in Defaults.py should be USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = No. Also in
Defaults.py, you should have SENDER_HEADERS = ('from', None,
'reply-to', 'sender').
I actually changed that in my mm_cfg.py file after this problem started 
in hopes that it would help.  The original value was No, I changed it to 
Yes.

Now the messages are held because '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' is not a member 
of the list.

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[Mailman-Users] Non-members allowed to post!

[David Gibbs]

Folks:
I have a serious problem here that I can't seem to figure out.  I've 
been running Mailman for a very long time and have never seen this 
behavior before.

A person is posting messages via GMane, but they are not subscribed to 
the list.  However, their messages are being allowed to post!

I have my list configured with ...
generic_nonmember_action = hold
accept_these_nonmembers = empty
default_member_moderation = yes
member_moderation_action = hold
As you can see from this post log entry, the posting was accepted ...
Mar 02 09:26:10 2005 (28195) post to rpg400-l from [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
size=2570, message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED], success

But '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' is not subscribed to any of my lists.
If I send a message from one of my own email addresses that isn't 
subscribed, it's held as it should be.

Any thoughts on how this can happen?
Thanks!
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Deleting a list - how is this possible?

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Graham Leggett wrote:
I now want to delete the list so that I can try and create it again - 
but this functionality seems to be missing from mailman, I cannot find a 
delete list option anywhere, or I'm looking in the wrong place.
Try using the rmlist command.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: RSS feeds from mailing lists

[David Gibbs]

Diana Kirk wrote:
I was wondering today about configuring an RSS feed from the mailing 
list archives. Is that something anyone is doing? Is that doable at 
all? Am I on the entirely wrong track to provide RSS feeds of the 
various lists' mail?
I've got MHonArc generating RSS feeds for my mailing lists.
It's based on the config file that www.mail-archive.com uses.
Contact me privately and I'll send you the file.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Apache2+Mailman - GID Issues

[David Gibbs]

Hunter Hillegas wrote:
My configure line:
../configure --with-mail-gid=postfix --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.2
--with-cgi-gid=nobody
Try using '--with-cgi-gid=apache'.  Apache2 on Redhat usually runs as 
the 'apache' user, not 'nobody'.

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[Mailman-Users] Bug when selecting Preserve message for site administrator

[David Gibbs]

I was rejecting a message in the admin queue and selected Preserve 
message for site administrator.  When I submitted, I got the following 
error.

Any thoughts?

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy 
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what 
happened. Thanks!
Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver, line 87, in run_main
main()
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py, line 163, in main
process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py, line 788, in 
process_form
preserve, forward, forwardaddr)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py, line 159, in 
HandleRequest
forward, addr)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py, line 236, in __handlepost
msg = cPickle.load(fp)
ValueError: could not convert string to float


Python information:
Variable	Value
sys.version	2.2.1 (#1, Aug 30 2002, 12:15:30) [GCC 3.2 20020822 (Red Hat 
Linux Rawhide 3.2-4)]
sys.executable	/usr/bin/python
sys.prefix	/usr
sys.exec_prefix	/usr
sys.path	/usr
sys.platform	linux2

Environment variables:
Variable	Value
PATH_INFO 	/midrange-l
CONTENT_LENGTH 	7124
CONTENT_TYPE 	application/x-www-form-urlencoded
HTTP_COOKIE 
site=28020069fefdc2417328003533663463343631653639303061303861393363353535636139316562626233653663353431
SCRIPT_FILENAME 	/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
PYTHONPATH 	/usr/local/mailman
SERVER_SOFTWARE 	Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux)
SERVER_ADMIN 	[EMAIL PROTECTED]
SCRIPT_NAME 	/mailman/admindb
SCRIPT_URI 	http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/admindb/midrange-l
SERVER_SIGNATURE 	
Apache/2.0.40 Server at lists.midrange.com Port 80
REQUEST_METHOD 	POST
HTTP_HOST 	lists.midrange.com
SCRIPT_URL 	/mailman/admindb/midrange-l
SERVER_PROTOCOL 	HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING 	
PATH_TRANSLATED 	/usr/local/mailman/html/midrange-l
REQUEST_URI 	/mailman/admindb/midrange-l
HTTP_ACCEPT 
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 	ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
HTTP_USER_AGENT 	Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; 
rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0
HTTP_CONNECTION 	keep-alive
HTTP_REFERER 
http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/admindb/midrange-l?msgid=9757
SERVER_NAME 	lists.midrange.com
REMOTE_ADDR 	208.248.38.130
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 	300
REMOTE_PORT 	57168
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 	en-us,en;q=0.5
UNIQUE_ID 	nwRKnsCoATIAAAPZCAcA
SERVER_PORT 	80
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[Mailman-Users] Remove original message from -request mail response?

[David Gibbs]

Does anyone know if there is a way to NOT include the original email 
when commands sent to the -request address responds?

I've noticed a number of spammers are sending mail to my lists -request 
addresses (The results of your email commands), and the original spam 
is attached to the response.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Tuning mailman and sendmail

[David Gibbs]

Sasa Stupar wrote:
I have installed sendmail 8.12.11 and Mailman 2.1.5 on RH8. The problem 
is that it takes a long time to send messages to all subscribed users 
(1+).
So I am wondering if there is something I can configure in sendmail or 
mailman to run faster?
Check out 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.003.htp

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[Mailman-Users] Surpress probe messages?

[David Gibbs]

Anyone know if there is a way to suppress the probe messages that go out 
when a subscriber starts bouncing?

Thanks!
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[Mailman-Users] Force a probe message?

[David Gibbs]

Folks:
Anyone know if there is a way to force a probe message to go out for a 
subscriber?

I have a subscriber who's mail appears to be bouncing ... but it's going 
back to the original author of the message and not the list address.

I'd like to force their subscription into such a state as a probe 
message is sent out so it can be disabled if the email address is indeed 
broken.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Sendmail to Postfix

[David Gibbs]

T. Glen Haggard wrote:
What would I have to do to switch from Sendmail to Postfix? Would have to
re-install Mailman or can I just switch remove Sendmail and install Postfix?
Mailman doesn't really care what MTA you are using.

So, yes, you should be able to just remove sendmail and install postfix 
and you're good to go.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Spam Issue

[David Gibbs]

Fernando Barajas wrote:
Check out 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=810675group_id=103atid=300103 
or http://tinyurl.com/2ta25.
How do you apply this patch?
Try: patch -p0  discard-all-defers.patch

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Spam Issue

[David Gibbs]

Lee Murrah wrote:
Is there any way to simply discard all non-member email or check Discard for
all messages?
Check out 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=810675group_id=103atid=300103 
or http://tinyurl.com/2ta25.

I just applied this patch and love it.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Automatically reject Spamassassin Tagged Spam?

[David Gibbs]

Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
How can I configure Mailman to automatically discard Mails that have ***
SPAM *** in the subject header?
I'm only beginning to investigate this option, but check out the new
header_filter_rules (in the Privacy / Spam Filters category).
david

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Automatically reject Spamassassin Tagged Spam?

[David Gibbs]

Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
I'm only beginning to investigate this option, but check out the new
header_filter_rules (in the Privacy / Spam Filters category).
Or do I need 2.1.4?
Yes, sorry, I was imprecise.

This is a new feature in 2.1.4.

Right now I'm trying to improve the logging when a message is discarded.

Python is hard when you're used to RPG and Java :)

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Automatically reject Spamassassin Tagged Spam?

[David Gibbs]

David Gibbs wrote:
Right now I'm trying to improve the logging when a message is discarded.
Python is hard when you're used to RPG and Java :)
FWIW: I just uploaded a patch that improves the logging when a message 
is discarded due to a spam filter rule.

It can be found at 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=869394group_id=103atid=300103 
or http://tinyurl.com/2j9tl.

The new vette log entry should look something like:
Jan 02 10:43:04 2004 (7665) testlist post from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] discarded, msgid:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Message discarded by filter rule match
david

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[Mailman-Users] Re: tokens for confirmations are too long

[David Gibbs]

Thomas Hochstein wrote:
The problem is that any URL longer than 80 characters will be chopped 
by many mail clients- Eudora, for example.  
Perhaps one should rather fix such broken clients?
If only that were feasable. :)

Far easier to change one product, to provide a more compatible token, 
than to fix multiple mail clients to deal with the incompatible token.

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