[MlMt] Keybinding doesn't work for iCloud messages (only)

[Randall Meadows]

I have this keybinding set:

"d" = {
"d" = ( "markAsRead:", "", "moveToMailbox:", "/Trash");
};

so that I can hit "d-d" to mark the selected messages as read and move 
them to the trash folder.  This works for all my accounts *except* for 
my iCloud account; in this case, it'll do the MOVE, but NOT the MARK.


Since I use the Unread smart mailboxes to keep up with what needs dealt 
with, having unread messages in a Trash mailbox is counterproductive.


Anyone else seen this?  Know why?  Know how to make it work?
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Re: [MlMt] Selection and status retention in message list

[Randall Meadows]

On 9 Aug 2023, at 13:38, mailm...@businessdatasystems.co.nz wrote:

> Have you checked MailMate preferences, especially the Viewer option "Mark 
> message as read after X seconds"?

Yes, but that's unrelated (and working as expected).


> On 10 Aug 2023, at 4:22, Randall Meadows wrote:
>
>> I might be an outlier here--and if so, feel free to blow me off--butI'll 
>> toss this out just in case...
>>
>> I frequently use message selection in the message list as a "bookmark" of 
>> sorts, showing the last place I was reading messages in any given mailbox, 
>> and/or leaving an unread message selected as a reminder to go back and deal 
>> with that message.  This all worked well up until (I'm assuming) Bennie's 
>> message list updates.
>>
>> I've updated to v1.14 (5964) and the above scenario is no longer working.  
>> The message list does remember which message was selected when switching 
>> back and forth between different lists.  But if I select/highlight an UNread 
>> message, that message gets marked as READ when the message list is redrawn.
>>
>> I can see both ways be valid and intentional, but I really liked the 
>> previous behavior.  Bennie, can you comment on the intent behind the 
>> behavior change?  And whether we'll get the previous behavior back in a 
>> future release?
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[MlMt] Selection and status retention in message list

[Randall Meadows]

I might be an outlier here--and if so, feel free to blow me off--butI'll toss 
this out just in case...

I frequently use message selection in the message list as a "bookmark" of 
sorts, showing the last place I was reading messages in any given mailbox, 
and/or leaving an unread message selected as a reminder to go back and deal 
with that message.  This all worked well up until (I'm assuming) Bennie's 
message list updates.

I've updated to v1.14 (5964) and the above scenario is no longer working.  The 
message list does remember which message was selected when switching back and 
forth between different lists.  But if I select/highlight an UNread message, 
that message gets marked as READ when the message list is redrawn.

I can see both ways be valid and intentional, but I really liked the previous 
behavior.  Bennie, can you comment on the intent behind the behavior change?  
And whether we'll get the previous behavior back in a future release?


Thanks.
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Re: [MlMt] What is Rules → Type → "CA"?

[Randall Meadows]

On 23 May 2023, at 17:18, Bill Cole wrote:

> On 2023-05-23 at 16:16:43 UTC-0400 (Tue, 23 May 2023 14:16:43 -0600)
> Quinn Comendant 
> is rumored to have said:
>
>> Under a folder's Rules I see a rule has "CA" in the Type column 
>> ([screenshot](https://send.strangecode.com/f/scr-20230523-mrhb.png)). What 
>> does this mean?
>
> The rule includes both Conditions and Actions.
>
> I do not understand the utility of that column, nor of rules that lack either 
> component.

My guess is it's an indicator that you haven't completed creating the rule.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Re: [MlMt] GMail spam not showing in "Junk" unreads

[Randall Meadows]

On 8 May 2023, at 13:13, Henry Seiden wrote:

> Hello Randall,
>
> I use an external app called SpamSieve (by Michael Tsai) to filter junk mail 
> from my inboxes (in 10 IMAP accounts, including a Gmail account). It actually 
> runs on a separate server (a MacMini 2020) running a separate app (Apple’s 
> Mail.app).

I already use SpamSieve, in "drone" mode running on a local server machine; 
identifying spam isn't the problem--it's getting *all* identified spam to show 
up in the Mailboxes > Unread list.  Right now eight of my nine accounts do 
that, but then I have to also go look in Mailboxes > Junk to find the google 
spam.
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Re: [MlMt] Open Links in Background?

[Randall Meadows]

On 27 Jan 2023, at 11:07, Michael Nietzold wrote:

> ## Summary
>
> Is there a way to open links in background? MailMate should stay activated

I think this might be browser-dependent.  ISTR this working as desired with 
Safari and Chrome, but when I switched to Brave Browser, it stopped working.  I 
filed an bug report/enhancement request with Brave, which got many seconds, but 
nothing released addressing it so far. :(
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Re: [MlMt] Feature request [Reply or rule?]

[Randall Meadows]

On 29 Apr 2022, at 7:49, Henry Seiden wrote:

> When replying to an email, how about a standard convention to allow for 
> selection of text to automatically include JUST the selection in the replay.

In your original message, I selected just the first (full) sentence and hit 
⌘-R, resulting in the above quote.  Is this not what you're talking about?  
This is controlled by the "Only include selected text" checkbox in the Composer 
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[MlMt] Can't print messages' images

[Randall Meadows]

I have received an email with images.  I get the banner "Detected 16 external 
resources of which 2 are strictly blocked"; I click "Download All (2)" to get 
the images to display in the message.  The message looks "normal", as I want it 
to, with all text and images displayed.

Now I want to print this message, as displayed.  When I do, the downloaded 
images apparently are forgotten/discarded in the Print dialog, and I'm left 
with a mail message with the image placeholders instead of the actual images.  
I've figured out no way to work around this; I had to use a different email 
client to print the message.

Known issue, or a new one?

MailMate Version 1.14 (5885), macOS Monterey 12.2.1


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Re: [MlMt] OK, it's not ME...

[Randall Meadows]

On 16 Mar 2022, at 14:12, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

> On 14 Mar 2022, at 19:20, Randall Meadows wrote:
>
>> Follow-up, FWIW...upgrading to Monterey seems to have made the first two 
>> issues (menu flashing and context switching) disappear (with no change to 
>> the version of MailMate).
>
> Well, I didn't have much of an idea of those anyways. The menu flashing 
> should only happen if triggering a menu command (and the flashing is done by 
> Apple code). Note that ⌘+down is bound to “Next Message” though. That might 
> be accidentally triggered.

I could reliably reproduce it by repeatedly (and fairly quickly) pressing ⌘-D, 
which I assigned to Delete Message.

>> The narcolepsy problem still exists, though. :(
>
> You can try catching it with this command:
>
> sample MailMate 10 > ~/Desktop/mailmate_sample.txt

I'll cue that up to be ready next time it happens.

> I had a similar report recently. In that case, I believe it was triggered by 
> the arrival of messages combined with a large message store, and an antivirus 
> program scanning database index files every time the database was updated.

The large message store might be in play, but antivirus is definitely not.

Thanks, Benny, I'll send the sample if/when I catch it.
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Re: [MlMt] OK, it's not ME...

[Randall Meadows]

Follow-up, FWIW...upgrading to Monterey seems to have made the first two issues 
(menu flashing and context switching) disappear (with no change to the version 
of MailMate).

The narcolepsy problem still exists, though. :(


On 17 Feb 2022, at 9:34, Randall Meadows wrote:

> On 17 Feb 2022, at 4:43, Jan Erik Moström wrote:
>
>> On 16 Feb 2022, at 17:30, Randall Meadows wrote:
>>
>>> But just now the exact same problem happened—MailMate went to the 
>>> background and my browser came to the front—while I was merely navigating 
>>> through a list of message using the arrow keys. I know I have not 
>>> customized anything related to that or selecting of messages, so this has 
>>> to be a MailMate issue, right?!
>>>
>>> MailMate version 1.14 (5856), running on macOS Big Sur 11.6.3.
>>>
>>> Anyone else seeing this behavior?
>>
>> While I haven't seen this exact behavior I've noticed that sometimes the 
>> apple or Mailmate menu seem to flash when I'm navigating the mail (it's so 
>> fast that I can't say what menu flashes but it's up in the left corner). I 
>> have no idea why this happens.
>
> Yep, same experience here.
>
>>> PS - MailMate has also become narcoleptic on me—hanging for tens of seconds 
>>> at a time, SPOD'ing all the while. It's done it THREE times while writing 
>>> this message! This has been going on for the last several versions, and 
>>> there seems to be no rhyme or reason as to when it happens—sometimes 
>>> composing a message, like just now, or simply reading.
>>
>> I personally haven't seen this, but there is perhaps some faulty email data 
>> that causes Mailmate to wait for timeout???
>
> I'll pay more attention to the message that is currently selected at the time 
> and see if I can see a pattern.  Of course, the case I noted, composing my 
> original message, was a basic plaintext message, so...
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Re: [MlMt] OK, it's not ME...

[Randall Meadows]

On 17 Feb 2022, at 4:43, Jan Erik Moström wrote:

> On 16 Feb 2022, at 17:30, Randall Meadows wrote:
>
>> But just now the exact same problem happened—MailMate went to the background 
>> and my browser came to the front—while I was merely navigating through a 
>> list of message using the arrow keys. I know I have not customized anything 
>> related to that or selecting of messages, so this has to be a MailMate 
>> issue, right?!
>>
>> MailMate version 1.14 (5856), running on macOS Big Sur 11.6.3.
>>
>> Anyone else seeing this behavior?
>
> While I haven't seen this exact behavior I've noticed that sometimes the 
> apple or Mailmate menu seem to flash when I'm navigating the mail (it's so 
> fast that I can't say what menu flashes but it's up in the left corner). I 
> have no idea why this happens.

Yep, same experience here.

>> PS - MailMate has also become narcoleptic on me—hanging for tens of seconds 
>> at a time, SPOD'ing all the while. It's done it THREE times while writing 
>> this message! This has been going on for the last several versions, and 
>> there seems to be no rhyme or reason as to when it happens—sometimes 
>> composing a message, like just now, or simply reading.
>
> I personally haven't seen this, but there is perhaps some faulty email data 
> that causes Mailmate to wait for timeout???

I'll pay more attention to the message that is currently selected at the time 
and see if I can see a pattern.  Of course, the case I noted, composing my 
original message, was a basic plaintext message, so...
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[MlMt] OK, it's not ME...

[Randall Meadows]

I thought I'd screwed up something with my custom hotkeys and keybindings, but 
I just saw something that (I think) proves it's not me.

The issue I've been seeing fr a while is: while deleting messages using my 
customized hotkey (I prefer ⌘-d, customized via the Keyboard prefpane) or 
marking messages for SpamSieve training (using my custom keybinding "s-s"), a 
*DIFFERENT* app would suddenly come to the foreground, pushing MailMate into 
the background.  I don't know how many stray bookmarks I now have because of 
hitting ⌘-d repeatedly and suddenly my browser is now in the foreground 
receiving keystrokes.  I think it's whatever the other most recently-used app, 
but I've not investigated to confirm; but it's definitely switching apps out 
from underneath me!

But just now the exact same problem happened—MailMate went to the background 
and my browser came to the front—while I was merely navigating through a list 
of message using the arrow keys.  I know I have not customized anything related 
to that or selecting of messages, so this has to be a MailMate issue, right?!

MailMate version 1.14 (5856), running on macOS Big Sur 11.6.3.

Anyone else seeing this behavior?


randy

PS - MailMate has also become narcoleptic on me—hanging for tens of seconds at 
a time, SPOD'ing all the while.  It's done it THREE times while writing this 
message!  This has been going on for the last several versions, and there seems 
to be no rhyme or reason as to when it happens—sometimes composing a message, 
like just now, or simply reading.

Benny, would you like me to try to catch a spindump when this occurs?  (Do you 
happen to know the correct command to do so?)
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[MlMt] Run Applescript as a Rule command?

[Randall Meadows]

Anyone got a good tutorial on how to run an AppleScript as a command in 
a Rule on INBOX?


I tried following 
 
, and > while the command shows up in the Rules editor, nothing ever 
happens.  I suspect that has to do with the
`` field in the `.mmcommand` file, which is "`open 
${MM_BUNDLE_SUPPORT}/bin/Friday.app`", which is
the app-ified AppleScript that I wrote (and successfully tested) in 
Script Editor.


If this is wrong, what is correct?  Or what else might I be missing?

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Re: [MlMt] Custom keybinding not working

[Randall Meadows]

On 1 Dec 2021, at 9:55, John Cooper wrote:
> On 1 Dec 2021, at 8:44, Randall Meadows wrote:
>> On 1 Dec 2021, at 6:48, John Cooper wrote:
>>> For what it’s worth, the following variation continues to work for me in 
>>> 5850:
>>>
>>> "u" = ( "toggleReadState:" );
>>
>> I considered that, but logic tells me that it will be fruitless if my 
>> message selection contains both read and unread messages.
>
> In practice, using the toggleReadState binding on a mixed selection first 
> toggles all to read, then to all unread. It doesn’t seem to depend on the 
> state of the first selected or first sorted message.

Ah, good to know, thanks for pointing that out.  That should suffice for my 
needs.

I'd still like to know 1. why my original attempt doesn't work; and B. how 
"markAsUnread:" is working, since it's not listed in the manual...
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Re: [MlMt] Custom keybinding not working

[Randall Meadows]

On 1 Dec 2021, at 6:48, John Cooper wrote:
> On 30 Nov 2021, at 17:13, Randall Meadows wrote:
>
>> and it works just fine.  I'm trying to create an analog to mark selected 
>> messages as READ, without luck; it just beeps at me after the second `r`.  
>> I've tried several things along the lines of
>>
>> "r" = {
>> "r" = ( "markAsRead:", "");
>> };
>>
>> with and without that second argument, adding in (or using only) `"setTag:", 
>> "\\SEEN"`; what's the magic voodoo incarnation to get this working?
>> –
>> Upon further investigation, I'm now confused on how my w-w command is 
>> working, as `markAsUnread:` is NOT listed in 
>> <https://manual.mailmate-app.com/key_binding_selectors.html>.  Help?
>
> For what it’s worth, the following variation continues to work for me in 5850:
>
> "u" = ( "toggleReadState:" );

I considered that, but logic tells me that it will be fruitless if my message 
selection contains both read and unread messages.
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[MlMt] Custom keybinding not working

[Randall Meadows]

I have this keybinding in a custom file:

"u" = {
"u" = ( "markAsUnread:", "");
};

and it works just fine.  I'm trying to create an analog to mark selected 
messages as READ, without luck; it just beeps at me after the second 
`r`.  I've tried several things along the lines of


"r" = {
"r" = ( "markAsRead:", "");
};

with and without that second argument, adding in (or using only) 
`"setTag:", "\\SEEN"`; what's the magic voodoo incarnation to get this 
working?


–

Upon further investigation, I'm now confused on how my w-w command is 
working, as `markAsUnread:` is NOT listed in 
.  Help?



 
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Re: [MlMt] Multiple rule interactions (was "Re: Filter(?) Message is moved to trash")

[Randall Meadows]

On 23 Nov 2021, at 9:46, Randall Gellens wrote:

> On 23 Nov 2021, at 2:47, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>
>> I was using such moving as you describe when I was using Eudora. Switching 
>> from POP to IMAP changed the paradigm. With Mailmate, I just leave messages 
>> in the Inbox and instead of moving have smart mailboxes to show those 
>> selected messages. For what you describe as Inbox, I have a smart mailbox 
>> called incoming. Same end effect with no physical movements and actually 
>> more control.
>
> I have been using IMAP since last century, even with Eudora. I understand the 
> advantages of virtual mailboxes, but I prefer the certainty and 
> interoperability of using multiple real mailboxes. E.g., sometimes I access 
> my mail using Mail on an iOS device, or even webmail. Virtual mailboxes are 
> of course only useful within MailMate.

Also, some IMAP mail hosts have limits on how many messages may be in INBOX, so 
having the ability to accurately and efficiently file messages becomes 
important.


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[MlMt] Block tabbing to clickable items in messages

[Randall Meadows]

I'm using the three-pane view: mailbox list on left, message list on top-right, 
selected message on bottom-right.

When I get an HTML message and focus ends up in the message (like after I click 
a link), I am now completely stuck in the message view from a keyboard 
navigation point-of-view, i.e., I cannot tab back to the message or mailbox 
list--tabbing just keeps cycling between clickable items in the message.

I *NEVER* want this behavior.  Ever.  Tab the focus away is all I do and ever 
will want to do.

What is the magic voodoo incantation to make MailMate allow my caveman ways?


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Re: [MlMt] Disable spoofing attempt warning

[Randall Meadows]

On 15 Nov 2021, at 7:20, Stephan Kleiber via mailmate wrote:

> see here:
>
> https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/1924-skulls-are-being-displayed-in-my-email-address-instead-of-the-symbol
>
> It seems that the skulls have been replaced by yellow warning signs in the 
> meantime, but the hidden preference
>
> `defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmNospoofSymbolDisabled -bool YES`
>
> doesn't work for me and has no effect on the list view. Is it just me or is 
> the setting not supported anymore? Is there anything else I can do to disable 
> the character replacement? I'm using MailMate 1.14 build 5846.

Just to make sure: you're quitting MailMate before issuing that Terminal 
command, right?


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[MlMt] Using a rule to forward a message, using a different From: address

[Randall Meadows]

(I thought I'd asked this question before, but I can't seem to find any 
evidence that I actually did...)

I'm wanting to create a rule that forwards any message that satisfies the rule 
to a specific address, but the forwarded message needs to come FROM a DIFFERENT 
email address than the one that received it (but still one that is configured 
in my list of account email addresses).

This doesn't seem possible, based on the Rules Editor, which doesn't allow me 
to pick the email address for the forwarded message to be from.  Is there some 
other magic incantation that'll achieve this?


randy

PS - Specific use case: I use AfterShip to track packages.  I can forward 
Amazon.com "Your order has shipped" emails directly to AfterShip to have them 
automatically added to my app/account for tracking; those emails must come from 
the email address associated with my AfterShip account, but that address is 
different than the email address associated with my Amazon account, hence the 
need to change the From: address of the forwarded email.
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Re: [MlMt] Auto-complete and auto-correct timing

[Randall Meadows]

On 23 Sep 2021, at 11:02, Randall Meadows wrote:

> Mailmate Version 1.14 (5818), macOS Bug Sur 11.3.1
>
> Anyone else seeing the issue where, when typing, say, an email address in the 
> To: field, the popup with the list of suggested completions displays, but 
> only for a second or two (or less) and then disappears on its own?  I barely 
> have time to peruse the list before it vanishes.
>
> I'm also seeing similar behavior with macOS suggestions/corrections, so I'm 
> not sure if it's a Mailmate thing or a macOS thing infecting MM.

You can see what I'm talking about in this screen recording: 
http://www.not-pc.com/Mailmate-auto-glitch.mov


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[MlMt] Auto-complete and auto-correct timing

[Randall Meadows]

Mailmate Version 1.14 (5818), macOS Bug Sur 11.3.1

Anyone else seeing the issue where, when typing, say, an email address in the 
To: field, the popup with the list of suggested completions displays, but only 
for a second or two (or less) and then disappears on its own?  I barely have 
time to peruse the list before it vanishes.

I'm also seeing similar behavior with macOS suggestions/corrections, so I'm not 
sure if it's a Mailmate thing or a macOS thing infecting MM.


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Re: [MlMt] which mailbox

[Randall Meadows]

On 15 Jul 2021, at 14:41, Randy Bush wrote:

If you open that message in its own window, you can right-click on 
the

text in the window title bar and you will see the filing path, which
will reveal the imap mailbox and mail account.


Note, if you're unfamiliar with this, that this is fairly standard 
behavior for Mac windows, although I typically use ⌘-click on the 
title bar to do this.



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[MlMt] Blacklist question

[Randall Meadows]

I keep getting spam to my Gmail address, addressed to 
"rand...@aol.com"—both To: and Cc:, which is not my Gmail address…


I notice if I right-click on that address that I can "add to blacklist". 
 What exactly does that do?  I've not been able to find much 
information online about "blacklist" in MailMate.  Do I gather correctly 
from the list archives that this is just a way to prevent an address 
from participating in address auto-completion?  Or is there more to it?  
Note that the incorrect/spammy address is a recipient address (albeit an 
incorrect one) not a sender address--does this matter?


I also keep marking those messages as spam with my SpamSieve, but it's 
not "taking"...



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Re: [MlMt] How to focus on the Message List via keyboard?

[Randall Meadows]

On 13 Jun 2021, at 22:19, leo wrote:

In the _Three Panes_ layout how can I focus on the Message List _via 
keyboard_?


I know _with the mouse_ it is easy: Just click a message entry in the 
list. But how can I do it with the 
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For me, the Tab key cycles between the Mailboxes list, the Messages 
list, the selected Message view, and the Search bar.



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Re: [MlMt] Custom sounds?

[Randall Meadows]

On 14 May 2021, at 12:49, Bill Cole wrote:


On 2021-05-14 at 13:32:48 UTC-0400 (Fri, 14 May 2021 11:32:48 -0600)
Randall Meadows 
is rumored to have said:

Is there a way to configure Mailmate to use custom sounds (instead of 
only the stock system sounds) in the Counters prefpane?  (I really 
don't like the new sounds in Big Sur.)  Hidden preference/defaults?


Does dropping a AIFF sound file in ~Library/Sounds/ make it available 
on the Sound menu of the Counters preferences pane?


Yep, it does!  I tried to add them alongside the actual system sounds, 
but when that didn't work, my brain didn't bother to continue that train 
of thought and simply derailed...



Thank you, Bill!
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[MlMt] Custom sounds?

[Randall Meadows]

Is there a way to configure Mailmate to use custom sounds (instead of 
only the stock system sounds) in the Counters prefpane?  (I really don't 
like the new sounds in Big Sur.)  Hidden preference/defaults?



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[MlMt] Big Sur problem

[Randall Meadows]

I just received a new machine; downloaded a new copy of MailMate (5673), 
but copied two items:

  • ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate
  • ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist
from my old computer (running Catalina) to this new one.

I'm now getting the message:
"Software Update Disabled
MailMate is running on a read-only filesystem and can therefore not be 
updated."


I don't believe this to be true (although this is my first experience 
with Big Sur  so who knows) since the application itself lives in a 
folder in my home directory (~/Applications/, where I put *all* 
non-Apple applications, and I've not experienced any issues with those 
[yet]).


Any suggestions?


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[MlMt] Rules location?

[Randall Meadows]

What's the functional difference between having rules applied to a 
"Source" versus that source's INBOX?

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Re: [MlMt] Memory usage

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On 11 May 2021, at 11:49, Tracy Valleau wrote:

If not, and you are just archiving them, with only the need for 
infrequent access, you might want to consider something like 
MailSteward.


https://mailsteward.com/


Interesting...I don't have that many messages, but I do have lots of 
stuff I like to keep archived, and right now that's in IMAP mailboxes.


Going the MailSteward route—does that create a completely separate 
silo for archived messages, or is there some mechanism for being able to 
include those archived messages in a search from the mail client itself?

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Re: [MlMt] Disable / redirect Key combinations for Layout views

[Randall Meadows]

On 26 Apr 2021, at 13:21, Jon Garrison wrote:


Hi,

I only use the three pane view, and hit the Command-{1-6} key combos 
accidentally several times a day as an artifact of spending a lot of 
time in Linux for work.


I looked around, but I do not see a way to disable or redirect them.


You can redefine them in the Keyboard system prefpane: Shortcuts > App 
Shortcuts > Mailmate—just add new ones for the ones you want to get 
rid of.

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Re: [MlMt] How do I get the Brave web browser to open MailMate when I click on a mailto: link?

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On 8 Mar 2021, at 8:06, Dan Romanchik wrote:

I don’t know why, but I can’t seem to find the right setting to 
get the Brave web browser to open MailMate when I click on a mailto: 
link. Can someone tell me? Thanks!


I think this is controlled by the "Default email reader" setting in 
Mail.app's General prefpane.

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Re: [MlMt] No notifications of new mail

[Randall Meadows]

On 26 Feb 2021, at 15:02, Bill Cole wrote:


On 26 Feb 2021, at 16:11, Randall Meadows wrote:


Not seeing anything in MM prefs that might affect this.


MM's infamously obscure Counters prefs pane is where you need to look.

The 4 radio buttons at the corners of the icon select the 4 sets of 
attention-getting mechanism settings.


I only have one set (and have only ever had that one set):

Display: √ in dock √ in menu bar √ Notifications
for my Unread smart mailbox, with the Unread count.

The correct count shows both in the dock icon and the menu bar icon, but 
I don't get any notification banners.


In case I was unclear in my original description, I'm talking 
specifically about the macOS system notification banner that appears in 
the top-right of the screen when a new message first arrives, showing a 
brief summary of said incoming message.


These settings have not changed in, well, forever.  Could it possibly be 
something related to at one time updating to v5757 but then reverting 
back to v5673?

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[MlMt] No notifications of new mail

[Randall Meadows]

MailMate--or my Mac, not sure whom to blame here--has stopped showing me 
visual notifications of new incoming email.  It used to.  I still get 
the notification sound, but nothing visual, which I used to use a lot to 
scan the contents to know whether I should go tend to it immediately or 
whether I can keep my focus where it currently is.


Not seeing anything in MM prefs that might affect this.

The Notifications sysprefpane is set to "allow notifications from 
MailMate", using the Banners style; show on lock screen, show preview 
always, show in Notification Center (it's NOT showing here at all 
either) are all enabled, but I get no banner notifications.


The last two options, badge app icon and play sound, are the only 
options working.


Any ideas on why come I get no (visual) notifications?  I've tried 
toggling the settings, but that didn't help.  I've tried "turning it off 
and back on" and that didn't help either.



Thanks!
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Re: [MlMt] Slow fingers?

[Randall Meadows]

On 25 Feb 2021, at 10:27, Edward Thome wrote:


Hello, Everyone.


Howdy!

I’m sure that I have gotten slower as I’ve aged, but it seems 
pretty common now that while deleting an email in MailMate, I will 
accidentally delete an adjacent one and have to go recover it.  Has 
anyone else experienced this?  I am using r5757.


By "go recover it", do you mean you hit ⌘-Z to undo the delete?  If 
not, you should try that; it's pretty darn easy. :)

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Re: [MlMt] Default to plaintext outgoing messages?

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On 22 Feb 2021, at 18:31, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Hi Randy,

   If you go into MailMate at `Preferences -> Composer -> Rich Text 
(HTML)` and set the `Markup syntax` to `None` you should now have your 
New Message set to `Plain text` by default instead of `Markdown`.


Hmmm...I thought I'd tried that, but apparently not, because this indeed 
did the trick!  Thanks.

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[MlMt] Default to plaintext outgoing messages?

[Randall Meadows]

I often write *plaintext* messages that include Markdown-ish syntax in 
them, but I don't want actual Markdown styling applied to the outgoing 
message.  Like the fourth word in the first sentence.


How do I get Mailmate to *default* to my outgoing messages being 
plaintext instead of Markdown?



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[MlMt] Using space bar to read messages

[Randall Meadows]

You know how (by default, I think) you can hit the space bar to *start* 
reading the first message in the list right after you select a mailbox?


Anyone notice that sometimes MailMate gets into a state where it 
requires *two* taps of the spacebar for that to happen?  (I've even 
gotten up to three...)


I have no idea what triggers it, and I got stuck like that for so long 
that when it somehow fixed itself, I found I had developed muscle memory 
for a double-tap. :(  And now, less than a day after it "fixed itself", 
it's now "broken" again, back to requiring a double-tap.   
Restarting MM didn't fix it, restarting the Mac didn't fix it...


Anyone else see this, and (more importantly) know how to fix it?

 
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Re: [MlMt] r5757 Move to Mailbox broken?

[Randall Meadows]

On 5 Feb 2021, at 0:15, Thomas Eckhold wrote:

I have noticed that in r5757 the move only works if the focus in MM is 
on the message pane (blue color of selected messages). As soon as the 
focus is somewhere else (on the pane of mailboxes and sources, for 
example), MM will not move even previously in the message pane 
selected messages. That was different in the past, if I recall 
correctly. Actually I would prefer that the „move to“ command 
would apply to any selected message regardless of which area is 
activated in MM.


Hmmm, that might explain the erratic behavior I've noticed (after I 
posted my original message): sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...

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[MlMt] r5757 Move to Mailbox broken?

[Randall Meadows]

I just installed r5757 today; I'm unable to move messages using "Move to 
Mailbox"—nothing happens.  I can drag messages where I want them, but 
this is *so* labor intensive. ;)


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Re: [MlMt] Crash when accessing "Open with"

[Randall Meadows]

On 18 Jan 2021, at 12:51, Mark Wadham wrote:


I have a repeatable crash in version 1.13.2 of Mailmate.

If I right click on any attachment and select "open with" it hangs for 
a few seconds trying to load the context menu and then crashes. If I 
do the same thing in the Finder it shows the application list without 
a problem.


Anyone else seen this behaviour?


Nope, running 1.13.2 (5673) here, and that contextual menu opens up just 
fine for me. (macOS Catalina 10.15.7 (19H2) on a 2.106 MacBook Pro)


Sorry. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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Re: [MlMt] Boolean Search

[Randall Meadows]

On 29 Oct 2020, at 12:28, Martin S Taylor wrote:

I'm trying to set up a mailbox which just contains emails to and from 
members of my family, all of whom, amazingly, have the same surname as 
me - Taylor.


So I'd like to have a smart mailbox which includes all messages which 
have at least one Address fulfilling the following constraint: it 
contains "Taylor", but it doesn't contain "Martin". How do I do this?


I think this will do it; in the Smart Mailbox editor:

Mailboxes:
√ Include messages in any submailboxes of this mailbox
  Select the root mailbox from the dropdown menu (e.g., the INBOX of 
your account)


Conditions:
• Click the + to add a condition
• Option-click the same (now) top + button to add another compound 
condition; then (regular) click the second + button to add another 
regular condition within the compound condition you just added.  Make 
them look like this:

√ ALL of the following are true
   √ ALL of the following are true
  √ [Recipient (To, CC, Bcc)] [contains] "Taylor"
  √ [From > Name] [contains] "Taylor"
   √ [From > Name] [does not contain] "Martin"

This will gather all messages that were SENT FROM or RECEIVED BY a 
"Taylor" who's not you.  (Note that any of your messages are not 
included, which may make threading or other display a bit...odd.)


Does this cover your use case?
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Re: [MlMt] Expanding threads - feature request

[Randall Meadows]

On 14 Oct 2020, at 4:47, Martin S Taylor wrote:

Clicking the little triangle next to a collapsed thread reveals the 
next message in the thread. Opt-clicking reveals the whole thread.


Is it possible to have a Preference to reverse these, so that the 
default is to reveal the whole thread? I need to see the whole thread 
much more often than just one message.


That's actually macOS system functionality, the standard behavior for 
NSOutlineView views (which I'm assuming Benny is using in the UI).  
AFAIK, there isn't a way to flip the bits; I've just built up enough 
muscle memory over the years that my SOP is to ⌥-click the disclosure 
triangle now...

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Re: [MlMt] delayed sending not working

[Randall Meadows]

On 28 May 2020, at 8:54, Evan Silberman wrote:


Hi,
I enabled the delay sending as per hidden preferences. However, when I 
send a message, it does not show in my drafts folder. It sends 
immediately.


I used this command:
defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmSendMessageDelayEnabled -bool YES

I set the delay:
defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmSendMessageDelay -integer 180

I made the warning conditional:
defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmSendLaterWarningLimitEnabled 
-bool YES


I did this and restarted the mail mate client.


Did you quit MM *first*, before issuing those commands?  If not, they 
got written over when you quit and restarted MM *after* issuing them.

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Re: [MlMt] Files to keep, to start over from scratch (kind of)

[Randall Meadows]

On 23 May 2020, at 10:07, Tracy Valleau wrote:

Just curious, are you experiencing that from within a smart folder? I 
ask because I had a smartfolder that gathered the contents of several 
mailboxes (ie Spam, trash, junk and so on) and that would crash 
regularly on Command D. I reported that particular thing a year or so 
ago. The situation seemed to get better a few months ago, but I gave 
up on that particular technique, it was so crash-prone.


I pretty always exclusively read my messages from the default Unread 
smart mailbox shipped with MailMate, so I guess the answer is yes.


I've gone back and forth with Benny a few times, trying to track it 
down, so far to no avail.  But even messages that do it one time, I 
cannot reproduce the issue with reliably a second time, so it's 
obviously a complex problem.


I hadn't yet really linked it to a smart folder specifically, but I 
s'pose it's not outside the realm of possibility.  Seems like more 
people would be reporting it though, if that were the case...

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[MlMt] Files to keep, to start over from scratch (kind of)

[Randall Meadows]

In an effort to try to eliminate a very annoying crashing bug in 
MailMate that apparently only I am experiencing and that Benny cannot 
replicate (this is not a ding on Benny, at all, I'm just saying...) I am 
going to try starting over from scratch.


I want to delete all traces of MailMate and reinstall, and then slowly 
add back in my accounts and try to figure out what triggers the crash.  
To try to makes this painful process as least painful as possible, I'd 
like to keep a record of my settings and accounts and likewise try to 
figure out if one of these is the culprit.


In /Users/randy/Library/Application Support/MailMate/ I'll retain 
(stored in a different place, of course):

- Identities.plist
- Resources/KeyBinding/randy.plist
- Sources.plist
- Tags.plist

Are there any other files I may want to hold onto that will help me get 
back to normal along this journey?  Or ones I've listed that are really 
not necessary?



Thanks!
randy

PS - For those interested, the crashing bug is: pressing ⌘-D to delete 
multiple messages one at a time in sequence quickly makes MM go *boom*.  
As in:


⌘-D⌘-D = *boom*
⌘-D⌘-D = *boom*
⌘-D = NO *boom*
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Re: [MlMt] Ideas to reduce the footprint of MailMate

[Randall Meadows]

On 9 May 2020, at 16:32, Bill Cole wrote:


On 9 May 2020, at 15:45, Travis Risner wrote:


Hi Guillaume,

I have no direct knowledge of how MM works, but I have suspicions.  
If MM is __synchronizing__ with all the IMAP servers, then I suspect 
that it has to do something for each of the 200,000 (or 500,000) 
emails to verify that it is still there and hasn’t changed.


One fundamental rule of IMAP is that messages never change. Message 
flags can change, but the combination of mailbox name, UIDVALIDITY 
value for the mailbox, and UID must refer to a single immutable 
message on that server forever. Re-downloading a message only happens 
if the client or server has a major failure that forces a rebuild of 
its message indices.


Also (and please correct me if I'm wrong), if you store messages in 
mailboxes other than INBOX (like, an Archive or some such), and you've 
not subscribed to that mailbox, MM will never even look at it, during 
its normal duties, until you move something in there, right?

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[MlMt] Reading unreads, by Date Received, jumps around

[Randall Meadows]

So, I typically read all my mail based on the default Unread smart 
mailboxes that MailMate ships with.  I have the default sorting column 
as Date Received, so that the messages are more-or-less in chronological 
order.  And the messages are grouped by thread.


As I read the messages, I delete most of them (saving only the few 
needed for posterity).  As I do this, often the messages then jump 
around, because I just deleted the parent of a thread that was keeping 
said thread in the correct chronological order, splitting the thread 
into multiple parts; then when I delete the last message in that now 
partial thread, I'm thrown into a completely different thread.  But I 
haven't finished the first one yet!


Anyone have suggestions on how to configure MM so as to avoid this 
(admittedly high-order first-world) problem?



Thanks.
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Re: [MlMt] Display a single new mail in a new window

[Randall Meadows]

On 12 Sep 2019, at 11:11, Charlie Clark wrote:


is it possible to open a single received message in a new window?


I just hit the Enter key to get the currently-selected message to open 
in its own window.

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Re: [MlMt] Set Defaults for Compose Message Window

[Randall Meadows]

On 26 Aug 2019, at 11:09, Gregory Jefferis wrote:

I highly recommend a 30s delay before sending — another nice 
mailmate option. Saved my bacon on numerous occasions! Best, Greg.


Can this be set as a default for all new outgoing messages?
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Re: [MlMt] At the risk of being off-topic . . .

[Randall Meadows]

On 23 Aug 2019, at 6:25, Erik Mueller-Harder wrote:


Andrew, thank you for thinking of this.

Yes, we are painfully aware of how boorish our president is (at best), 
and do apologize.


That would be the "royal we", right?!

I hope we’ll be able to return to politeness, civility, and 
statesmanship very soon.


Sure, as soon as BOTH sides quit appealing to the sound-bite audience, 
and the general population on BOTH sides starts thinking for themselves 
and actually holds their elected "representatives" responsible for their 
words and actions.


Now, can we get back on-topic?  Politics has NO business here.


PS - If you have to apologize for being off-topic up front, DON'T POST - 
it's off-topic!  Find a more suitable outlet, of which there are plenty 
on the friction' Internet!

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Re: [MlMt] Custom keybindings stopped working

[Randall Meadows]

On 27 Jul 2019, at 21:22, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Try entering the filename in the preference pane without the '.plist' 
extension.


DOH!  Tank ewe!  Don't know why I didn't think to try that myself...
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[MlMt] Custom keybindings stopped working

[Randall Meadows]

MailMate Version 1.12.5 (5635)

I have a set of custom keybindings in `~/Library/Application 
Support/MailMate/Resources/KeyBindings/randy.plist`, and I have entered 
this file name ("`randy.plist`") in the text box by the "Custom Key 
Bindings" checkbox (which is checked) in the Preferences > General pane.


I have restarted MM after (re)setting this (it got deleted somehow), but 
still my custom keybindings do not work.  All I get is a beep when I try 
them.


(What is wrong|What am I missing) that they're not working (they used 
to)?



Thanks!
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Re: [MlMt] command-click

[Randall Meadows]

On 28 May 2019, at 11:13, Eric Sharakan wrote:

Hi Robert, this works fine for me in r5635 (running macOS 10.14.5 and 
with Safari as my default browser).


In fact, I didn't even know about using Cmd-click to open links in the 
background; so thanks for the tip!


-Eric

On 28 May 2019, at 13:01, Robert Brenstein wrote:


I just upgraded to MM version 1.12.5 (5635).
Since then the command-click on a link switches to the browser window 
right away, that is no longer opens the link in the background.
In other words, there is no difference between click and 
command-click

Can anyone confirm that?


Interesting...when I first tested this to confirm/deny this behavior, MM 
did indeed open a new Safari tab in the "background", that is, MM was 
still the active application and its window chrome reflected this.  
HOWEVER the Safari window itself was actually IN FRONT of the MM window, 
and *its* window chrome reflected that it was, indeed, in the 
"background".  Very strange.


No amount of subsequent attempts have been able to reproduce this 
behavior. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[MlMt] SpamSieve Train mailboxes are not cleaned up

[Randall Meadows]

I run a drone SpamSieve, utilizing Mail.app, on a remote Mac (rather 
than having my entire family run SpamSieve).  When I move messages on my 
local client (using MailMate) into Train[Good|Spam], those messages 
eventually get moved to INBOX or wherever my Rules ultimately filter 
them (for TrainGood).  They are also marked UNread (via a custom 
keybinding), so that I know that I still have to deal with them.


The problem is: the messages also remain in the Train[Good|Spam] 
mailboxes, which is a pain, because being UNread, they appear in my 
Unread Smart Mailboxes list.  And even though I've dealt with the 
trained messages in their final destination, the messages in 
Train[Good|Spam] will remain there for as long as I'm willing to simply 
overlook their presence.  But eventually my OCD gets to the point where 
I must deal with it.  Once I open the Train[Good|Spam] mailbox, I see 
all those message still with blue dots; it is not until I explicitly 
select a given message, however, that its dot turns red.  But, once I 
select *any* message, then a few seconds later (time varies from just a 
few seconds to perhaps 20 or so seconds) *all* the messages go away, as 
expected since they really no longer live in that mailbox (except, only 
sometimes, the one message I have selected, which I must remove 
manually).


MailMate *is* subscribed to the Train[Good|Spam] mailboxes, so am I 
wrong in assuming that it should automatically handle cleaning them up 
after SpamSieve has done its thing on the remote machine?

 

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Re: [MlMt] Smart Mailboxes and column selection

[Randall Meadows]

On 8 Mar 2019, at 14:02, Randall Meadows wrote:


On 8 Mar 2019, at 12:48, Randall Meadows wrote:

I'm pretty certain that all my Smart Mailboxes used to show the From: 
column.  Currently, they are all showing the To: column; duh, I know 
who the messages are to.  Yes, I can add the From: column manually, 
but I'm unable to remove the To: column (it's disabled in the pop-up 
menu).


Anyone know what caused this change, and how I can get back to the 
way the mailboxes displayed yesterday?!


Also, am I really unable to set default column configurationD for 
Smart Mailboxes?  That option is also dimmed in the pop-up menu...


On rare occasions, I do get the "Use as Default Columns" item enabled, 
but on the rare occasions (which do NOT correspond to the previous 
"rare occasions") where the "Revert to Default Columns" is enabled, 
selected said item does NOTHING (e.g., the columns remain as they are, 
they are NOT reset to the previously-configured default columns.  I 
cannot determine what causes said "rare occasions" to occur...


And when I am able to set "Use as Default Columns", all it takes is to 
select a different mailbox then go back to the original mailbox to see 
those changes completely ignored/discarded...



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Re: [MlMt] Smart Mailboxes and column selection

[Randall Meadows]

On 8 Mar 2019, at 12:48, Randall Meadows wrote:

I'm pretty certain that all my Smart Mailboxes used to show the From: 
column.  Currently, they are all showing the To: column; duh, I know 
who the messages are to.  Yes, I can add the From: column manually, 
but I'm unable to remove the To: column (it's disabled in the pop-up 
menu).


Anyone know what caused this change, and how I can get back to the way 
the mailboxes displayed yesterday?!


Also, am I really unable to set default column configurationD for 
Smart Mailboxes?  That option is also dimmed in the pop-up menu...


On rare occasions, I do get the "Use as Default Columns" item enabled, 
but on the rare occasions (which do NOT correspond to the previous "rare 
occasions") where the "Revert to Default Columns" is enabled, selected 
said item does NOTHING (e.g., the columns remain as they are, they are 
NOT reset to the previously-configured default columns.  I cannot 
determine what causes said "rare occasions" to occur...

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[MlMt] Smart Mailboxes and column selection

[Randall Meadows]

I'm pretty certain that all my Smart Mailboxes used to show the From: 
column.  Currently, they are all showing the To: column; duh, I know who 
the messages are to.  Yes, I can add the From: column manually, but I'm 
unable to remove the To: column (it's disabled in the pop-up menu).


Anyone know what caused this change, and how I can get back to the way 
the mailboxes displayed yesterday?!


Also, am I really unable to set default column configurationD for Smart 
Mailboxes?  That option is also dimmed in the pop-up menu...



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[MlMt] Lost tags?

[Randall Meadows]

Is there a known issue with messages completely losing their tags?  I 
just went to add a tag to a message, and discovered that ALL my 
previously-tagged messages no longer had any tags (e.g., the Tagged 
smart mailbox was empty).  (Version 1.12.3 (5579), but I have no idea 
when this happened.)



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[MlMt] Disconnected?

[Randall Meadows]

What does it mean when MailMate shows "(disconnected)" next to a Source?

Background: I installed a new Xfinity modem/router, and using its WiFi, 
MailMate marks three (out of eight total) of my Sources as such (the 
other five don't seem to exhibit any issues/problems). Two of those 
three are my personal domains, but the other one is my iCloud account.  
If I switch back to my previous WiFi networks (being served from a 
Netgear router) that "(disconnected") label goes away and all is well 
with the world.


The only difference, as far as I can tell, between that Xfinity WiFi 
network and my other ones is he DNS Server, but even when I'm connected 
to the Xfinity network, hostname lookups still seem to succeed as 
expected for my domains.


I'm going to be talking to Xfinity about this, but if anyone has any 
ideas, I'd appreciate hearing them.



Thanks!
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[MlMt] What is this?

[Randall Meadows]

I'm curious as to what the 1 beside the Mailboxes section header refers 
to...it survives a restart.


MailMate Version 1.12.2 (5568

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[MlMt] Can't tab between panes

[Randall Meadows]

I know there was some discussion not too long ago about Benny fixing the 
(lost) ability to tab from the message list back to the mailbox list.  I 
think I updated to that fixed version, but hadn't updated any more until 
just now, to Version 1.12.2 (5568).


Now, tabbing doesn't seem to work ***at all*** to move between the 
various panes, except for moving from the search box to the mailbox 
list.  And moving backward (shift-tab) from the search box takes 
you...somewhere, I can't tell where, and I can't tab back from wherever 
that is.


Is there a new system for doing this, or is it just börked at the 
moment?


 
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Re: [MlMt] Option to Scale In-Line Images to Fit Window

[Randall Meadows]

On 9 Nov 2018, at 14:02, Topher Ayrhart wrote:

I just wrote an email which contained a lot of in-line images which 
scaled out of the viewport of my compose window. This made it quite 
difficult to compose/proofread the message as I was scrolling across 
large swaths of images in the preview pane.


I searched through the manual and found no mention of scaling images 
to fit the window. I also searched the archives and only found one 
post mentioning the same


[A. Takacs 
wrote](https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg00698.html):


May I suggest some preference to automatically scale the image ? For 
instance if I drop a picture taken form my iPhone it will (unless I 
rescale it in some photo editing software) show up as a huge picture.


I wholeheartedly agree. I would love an option(s) to scale in-line 
images to fit the viewing window in all contexts (message preview, 
Inbox, All Messages, etc.).


I will piggyback on this and request a feature similar to Mail.app that 
allows you to scale the attached picture right there inside the program, 
without first going into, say, Preview, and manually scaling it.

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[MlMt] Should keybindings affect implicitly-selected messages?

[Randall Meadows]

Since I'm new to key bindings, I don't know if this is expected 
behavior, or perhaps a bug.  But here's the deal...


I don't like having "wayward" unread messages lying around; I use the 
count tokens as a cue for what I need to process.  When I have said 
count tokens next to my deleted messages, it's like a mini speed bump to 
my mental processing.


So, I created a keybinding that purportedly removes the "SEEN" tag from 
the selected message[s] and moves it|them to the Trash.  This seems to 
work just fine for a single message, and for multiple "peer" 
messages—e.g., unrelated messages, or messages that don't have a 
"parent-child message-reply" relationship in a thread, whereby there is 
a disclosure triangle on the parent in order to show the child.


In that case, when the disclosure is closed, and only the "parent" is 
selected, my keybinding does indeed move all messages to the Trash, but 
only the selected "parent" has its SEEN tag removed; the "child" remain 
"unread" in the Trash.


I hope my explanation of what I'm seeing makes sense.  Should I expect 
*all* the actions of the keybinding to be executed on *all* the selected 
(whether explicit or implicit) messages?


 
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[MlMt] Key Bindings question

[Randall Meadows]

I'm trying to embrace keybindings more and more, and have a few 
questions (that I'll probably post over time).


To start off, the key bindings selector list shows:

archive:   - Shorthand for ( 'moveToMailbox:', 'archive' )
moveToJunk:- Shorthand for ( 'moveToMailbox:', 'junk' )
deleteMessage: - Shorthand for ( 'moveToMailbox:', 'trash' )

Do I assume correctly that, given an installation that has multiple 
accounts configured, that running these selectors on specific messages 
will move said messages to the corresponding ACCOUNT'S 
archive|junk|trash mailbox (without having to specify specifically a 
specific account's specific mailbox [thus requiring multiple command 
specifications, one for each account])?


For example, a command executed on a message sitting in Foo's INBOX will 
move that message to Foo's Trash mailbox?


Does this still hold if the message selection spans multiple accounts?  
E.g., I have two messages selected, one from Foo, one from Bar; does 
executing that command move one message to Foo's Trash and the other 
message to Bar's Trash?


Finally, does this work for arbitrarily named mailboxes (i.e., not the 
"known" archive|junk|trash mailboxes, but also for, say, the SpamSieve 
Train[Good|Spam] mailboxes?  So can I have a single command that does a 
( 'moveToMailbox:', 'TrainGood' ) and regardless of the account, the 
message will be moved to the appropriate account's training mailbox?


Finally—really—does this also apply to the 
archive:|moveToJunk:|deleteMessage: shorthand keybinding selectors?



Thanks!
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Re: [MlMt] Can't change message status to UNread

[Randall Meadows]

On 1 Oct 2018, at 7:28, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 25 Sep 2018, at 20:01, Randall Meadows wrote:

Is this a known (or a new) bug, or in the midst of my other MM woes, 
have I screwed up some setting?


It might be a new bug.

I am utterly unable to change a message's read status back to unread, 
for ***most*** messages, although I haven't been able to figure out 
exactly what the trigger for it failing is.  Upon an attempt to mark 
a single read message UNread, MailMate immediately reverts it back to 
read.  If multiple messages are selected, this does not happen.  You 
can see this in action in the following video screen capture:


What are your Viewer preferences settings for “Mark messages as 
read”?


I guess it could be triggered if MailMate (for whatever reason) 
redisplays the message when you make it unread. (The redisplaying 
would be the bug.)


I'm pretty sure this was what was happening (the redisplay), as it was 
quite obvious that this was occurring.  But I've already nuked from 
orbit and completely configured everything from scratch, which made that 
(and other issues I was having) go away.

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Re: [MlMt] Line breaks

[Randall Meadows]

On 30 Sep 2018, at 13:17, Randy H. Tjahjono wrote:

How do I type a line breaks in MailMate? The spec specifies: `When you 
do want to insert a  break tag using Markdown, you end a line 
with two or more spaces, then type return.` And that works if you want 
to use a single line break like so


Hello


World

But that doesn't seem to work with multiple line breaks.


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[MlMt] Keybindings and IMAP flags?

[Randall Meadows]

So, I'm trying to learn and embrace key bindings.  I have a series of 
commands to TrainSpam in conjunction with SpamSieve::


"s" = {
	"#1" = ( "markAsJunk:", "setTag:", "\\SEEN", "moveToMailbox:", ">");
	"#2" = ( "markAsJunk:", "setTag:", "\\SEEN", "moveToMailbox:", ">");

...

which works just fine, apparently.  I've tried to do something similar 
with TrainGood, but MM complains about an invalid flag or something.  
What's the proper way to do this:


"g" = {
	"#1" = ( "markAsNotJunk:", "setTag:", "\\UNSEEN", "moveToMailbox:", 
"<>");

...


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[MlMt] Can't change message status to UNread

[Randall Meadows]

Is this a known (or a new) bug, or in the midst of my other MM woes, 
have I screwed up some setting?


I am utterly unable to change a message's read status back to unread, 
for ***most*** messages, although I haven't been able to figure out 
exactly what the trigger for it failing is.  Upon an attempt to mark a 
single read message UNread, MailMate immediately reverts it back to 
read.  If multiple messages are selected, this does not happen.  You can 
see this in action in the following video screen capture:


https://www.dropbox.com/s/s26ico2v936zo8i/MM-Cannot-Unread-1-Message.mp4?dl=0

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Re: [MlMt] dreamhost spam

[Randall Meadows]

On 21 Sep 2018, at 10:10, Tracy Valleau wrote:


I've been on Dreamhost for well over a decade.

My advice: turn off their filtering and let SpamSieve do it.

Here's a good starting point for everything you want to know about DH 
filtering:


https://help.dreamhost.com/hc/en-us/articles/215686487-How-do-I-configure-my-Anti-spam-settings-


I have turned off all I can, but, according to the support person I 
talked to yesterday, you cannot completely disable the Anti-spam service 
(which is consistent with the link Bennie posted earlier).

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Re: [MlMt] More MailMate woes

[Randall Meadows]

On 21 Sep 2018, at 2:31, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 20 Sep 2018, at 22:36, Randall Meadows wrote:

The values varied, of course, but the one constant was, every message 
that had a non-zero X-VR-SCORE (which was most of them, like 90+%) 
was moved to the spam mailbox.  Now, after disabling the drone, I'm 
getting all the messages filtered (locally) into the correct 
mailboxes, but still all those non-zero scored messages have the 
yellow header with

[Mark as Not Junk] [ Load Once] [ Move to Junk]
buttons.

I can only assume that MailMate is heeding these X-VR-* headers and 
considering every message with a non-zero score as "spammy", yielding 
the yellow banner and buttons.  Is this correct?


No, MailMate isn't really telling you that it thinks the email is 
junk. It is telling you that the email contains external references 
(most likely to images). This is the image blocking feature configured 
in the Security preferences pane. This is about email tracking which 
is not only done by spammers. Nevertheless, a feature of this system 
is that MailMate can be told to fetch images if the email has been 
explicitly marked as “Not Junk”. In other words, an email has 3 
junk-related states: Unknown, Junk, Not Junk.



If so...has there been a recent change in MM that might affect this?


No, I don't think so.

(I can't recall when I last updated, but this issue "coincidentally" 
started after my aforementioned SpamSieve drone problem, but since 
I've now eliminated SpamSieve from the equation, now I I'm sure what 
to think.


I'm about to completely nuke my MM installation and start from 
scratch, just in case I've mucked up something unbeknownst to me, so 
if anyone has ideas that can save me from that pain, I'd appreciate 
it!


Don't do that. As far as I can tell the main problem is DreamHost 
spam-filtering and maybe your image blocking settings in the Security 
preferences pane (maybe you had this disabled in the past).


OK, I can live with the errant few messages going to my Spam mailbox; I 
can deal with that.  But the yellow banner thing is REALLY annoying me.  
I really don't think I've changed anything in my MM settings recently, 
but regardless, I can't now find a permutation of the settings that gets 
me back to the behavior I had just a few days ago, which was that most 
messages did NOT have this banner, their content was fully loaded and 
displayed.  Now, I have to click on "Mark as Not Junk" for nearly EVERY 
message, including those types of messages and from senders that I've 
been receiving from for YEARS and did not have to do this.

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[MlMt] More MailMate woes

[Randall Meadows]

After the SpamSieve drone fiasco I mentioned yesterday, I'm not so sure 
I am as much at fault as I thought; I'm happy to be proven wrong, if I 
can figure out what's going on.


Said SpamSieve drone was a completely new installation, so I don't think 
it has anything to do with "leftover" data.  But what was happening was, 
just about all messages were ending up in my Spam mailbox, even messages 
I get regularly from senders that I've been getting for years with no 
problem.


I investigated further today, and every messages in the Spam mailbox had 
these headers (inserted by DreamHost's anti-spam service, which I am 
unable to disable):


X-VR-STATUS:
X-VR-SCORE:
X-VR-SPAMCAUSE:

The values varied, of course, but the one constant was, every message 
that had a non-zero X-VR-SCORE (which was most of them, like 90+%) was 
moved to the spam mailbox.  Now, after disabling the drone, I'm getting 
all the messages filtered (locally) into the correct mailboxes, but 
still all those non-zero scored messages have the yellow header with

[Mark as Not Junk] [ Load Once] [ Move to Junk]
buttons.

I can only assume that MailMate is heeding these X-VR-* headers and 
considering every message with a non-zero score as "spammy", yielding 
the yellow banner and buttons.  Is this correct?


If so...has there been a recent change in MM that might affect this?  (I 
can't recall when I last updated, but this issue "coincidentally" 
started after my aforementioned SpamSieve drone problem, but since I've 
now eliminated SpamSieve from the equation, now I I'm sure what to 
think.


I'm about to completely nuke my MM installation and start from scratch, 
just in case I've mucked up something unbeknownst to me, so if anyone 
has ideas that can save me from that pain, I'd appreciate it!



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Re: [MlMt] Cannot manually Apply Rules

[Randall Meadows]

On 20 Sep 2018, at 3:24, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 19 Sep 2018, at 21:36, Randall Meadows wrote:

NOW, however, when I have the INBOX selected in the left pane, the 
messages list in the right-top pane shows messages from a VARIETY of 
mailboxes, NOT just INBOX.  It appears that the messages I moved from 
the Spam mailbox back to INBOX *did* get filtered into their correct 
mailboxes - which I guess I can see happening, if the rules are 
executed on any messages that are placed into INBOX, but I would have 
thought that would only happen with received messages, not for 
manually-moved messages - but why are they still being listed when 
INBOX is selected in the mailbox list?! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Rules are applied whenever something enters a mailbox including when 
moving the emails into the mailbox.


The emails still being displayed in the mailbox sounds like a bug -- 
possibly related to what I refer to as “sticky” messages. This is 
needed, e.g., in the Unread mailbox when marking a message as read 
(where most users would expect the email to stay in the mailbox until 
leaving it -- even though it's no longer unread).


It actually appears that the messages in question are *duplicated* in 
the INBOX and their "real" mailbox (BTW, this is the Smart "Unread" 
mailbox I'm talking about here).


That does look very strange. Does it persist if you relaunch MailMate?

If it doesn't, can you reproduce the problem by, e.g., moving a single 
message back into your Inbox?


A restart didn't help; it appeared the only thing that helped was 
deleting the duplicate messages.

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Re: [MlMt] How is spam filteirng working with detection is disabled?!

[Randall Meadows]

On 20 Sep 2018, at 14:20, Randall Meadows wrote:


On 20 Sep 2018, at 3:27, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
Within MailMate the only two ways are the SpamSieve-integration or 
mailbox rules. If you don't use SpamSieve then try sending me the 
following file (off list):


	/Users//Library/Application 
Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist


Here ya go.


Well, crap...that's what I get for multi-tasking and not paying 
attention.  Hope there's no sensitive data in there... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Re: [MlMt] How is spam filteirng working with detection is disabled?!

[Randall Meadows]

On 20 Sep 2018, at 3:27, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 19 Sep 2018, at 23:04, Randall Meadows wrote:

This is a related (I think) issue to my previous posts about spam 
messages and filtering...


I have disabled the SpamSieve drone, until I have time to figure out 
what's wrong.  But I just received a message into my Spam mailbox.  
Since the SpamSieve drone is not running, in fact there's no other 
mail client running anywhere that could filter messages, HOW DID A 
MESSAGE GET FILTERED INTO MY SPAM MAILBOX?!


Within MailMate the only two ways are the SpamSieve-integration or 
mailbox rules. If you don't use SpamSieve then try sending me the 
following file (off list):


	/Users//Library/Application 
Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist


Here ya go.


Thanks.
randy
{   deltaMailboxes = (
{   previousUUID = "";
uuid = "75470257-9D49-4038-8FE2-1A208482C32A";
},
{   previousUUID = "75470257-9D49-4038-8FE2-1A208482C32A";
uuid = "INBOX";
},
{   previousUUID = "INBOX:rsjmmead...@imap.comcast.net";
uuid = "C499C358-C212-412C-8F08-B4B2DD701E5C";
},
{   previousUUID = "INBOX";
uuid = "DRAFTS";
},
{   previousUUID = "DRAFTS";
uuid = "SENT";
},
{   previousUUID = "SENT";
rules = (
{   actions = (
{   enable = ( "\\Seen" );
type = "changeFlags";
},
);
description = "Mark as Seen";
},
);
uuid = "TRASH";
},
{   previousUUID = "TRASH";
uuid = "JUNK";
},
{   previousUUID = "JUNK";
uuid = "TAGS";
},
{   previousUUID = "TAGS";
uuid = "MAILING_LISTS";
},
{   previousUUID = "MAILING_LISTS";
uuid = "CB9ECDF9-38A5-4FA4-B4A4-0041CE11B714";
},
{   previousUUID = "15A0A11F-A1D4-41BC-A10A-4387F38B6584";
uuid = "C22439A4-B2E7-441E-998C-3F2B14CF6D86";
},
{   previousUUID = "C22439A4-B2E7-441E-998C-3F2B14CF6D86";
uuid = "FLAGGED";
},
{   previousUUID = "FLAGGED";
uuid = "AF34B905-C4CC-4580-B17E-CB84D90D94D4";
},
{   previousUUID = "AF34B905-C4CC-4580-B17E-CB84D90D94D4";
uuid = "88D68567-1D4A-490C-9C6A-C7512798B6CD";
},
{   previousUUID = "88D68567-1D4A-490C-9C6A-C7512798B6CD";
uuid = "E8B3697E-D75C-457E-AF09-1AD70E9AF792";
},
{   previousUUID = "E8B3697E-D75C-457E-AF09-1AD70E9AF792";
uuid = "AC5135D2-5D1F-4F38-8931-70D6816E8849";
},
{   previousUUID = "AC5135D2-5D1F-4F38-8931-70D6816E8849";
uuid = "PERSONAL_INBOX";
},
{   previousUUID = "PERSONAL_INBOX";
uuid = "12660904-978A-4776-A61B-FCB6C1352D92";
},
{   previousUUID = "12660904-978A-4776-A61B-FCB6C1352D92";
uuid = "D03B88A5-039C-4D7F-942D-47ECCB1D74BB";
},
{   previousUUID = "D03B88A5-039C-4D7F-942D-47ECCB1D74BB";
uuid = "07A9E091-C214-4FA7-9CB7-479EFCA77651";
},
{   previousUUID = "CB9ECDF9-38A5-4FA4-B4A4-0041CE11B714";
uuid = "ALL_MESSAGES";
},
{   previousUUID = "";
uuid = "ALL_BODY_PARTS";
},
{   previousUUID = "ALL_MESSAGES";
uuid = "ARCHIVE";
},
{   previousUUID = 

[MlMt] How is spam filteirng working with detection is disabled?!

[Randall Meadows]

This is a related (I think) issue to my previous posts about spam 
messages and filtering...


I have disabled the SpamSieve drone, until I have time to figure out 
what's wrong.  But I just received a message into my Spam mailbox.  
Since the SpamSieve drone is not running, in fact there's no other mail 
client running anywhere that could filter messages, HOW DID A MESSAGE 
GET FILTERED INTO MY SPAM MAILBOX?!

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Re: [MlMt] Cannot manually Apply Rules

[Randall Meadows]

Update: OK, this just got really weird...

What prompted my original message (below) was: I had apparently 
misconfigured SpamSieve (I retired the machine that the Mail.app drone 
was running on, and set things back up on a different machine), and all 
my (good, non-spam, as well as spam messages) were going to the Spam 
mailbox.  So, in MailMate, I moved all those good messages back to my 
INBOX, and attempted to run the rules on them again, so they'd filter to 
the appropriate sub-mailboxes.  But I was unable to do so, because of 
the disabled menu item, hence my original post.


NOW, however, when I have the INBOX selected in the left pane, the 
messages list in the right-top pane shows messages from a VARIETY of 
mailboxes, NOT just INBOX.  It appears that the messages I moved from 
the Spam mailbox back to INBOX *did* get filtered into their correct 
mailboxes - which I guess I can see happening, if the rules are executed 
on any messages that are placed into INBOX, but I would have thought 
that would only happen with received messages, not for manually-moved 
messages - but why are they still being listed when INBOX is selected in 
the mailbox list?! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


It actually appears that the messages in question are *duplicated* in 
the INBOX and their "real" mailbox (BTW, this is the Smart "Unread" 
mailbox I'm talking about here).


https://www.dropbox.com/s/zferf6ki5uncjcn/INBOX-shows-other-mailboxes.png?dl=0


Please help!
randy


On 19 Sep 2018, at 13:11, Randall Meadows wrote:

Regardless of what's selected and highlighted—a mailbox, all 
messages, or some messages—the Mailbox > Apply Rules menu item is 
persistently disabled.


Why, and what's the magic voodoo incantation to make it not so?


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[MlMt] Cannot manually Apply Rules

[Randall Meadows]

Regardless of what's selected and highlighted—a mailbox, all messages, 
or some messages—the Mailbox > Apply Rules menu item is persistently 
disabled.


Why, and what's the magic voodoo incantation to make it not so?


Thanks.
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[MlMt] Apply rules, which are defined elsewhere...

[Randall Meadows]

So, all the Rules I have to move received messages to their appropriate 
mailboxes are defined on INBOX for all my accounts.


I have a large number of "archived" messages that don't live in INBOX 
that I'd like to apply said Rules to (as a result of trying to better 
organize my archived messages), but since said messages are not in INBOX 
but the Rules are, I'm unable to do so.


I s'pose I could move them back into INBOX and then apply the rules, but 
there's well over 16K messages in question, so this is not an enticing 
idea, so say the least (my provider not be happy, either, since they 
make great effort to keep the INBOX count at a very small number).  Any 
other ideas (besides duplicating Rules all over the place)?



Thanks!
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Re: [MlMt] Bringing the main window to the front?

[Randall Meadows]

On 4 Jul 2018, at 15:56, pleasespa...@posteo.net wrote:

When using the command-tab app switcher, if you hold the option key 
before letting go of command-tab (to select an app), it will restore 
the window if minimized.


But apparently only if there are no other windows open at the time; 
e.g., I minimized the main viewer window, but I had another message open 
in a separate window, which prevented this behavior.

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Re: [MlMt] discussion topic: IMAP or smart mailbox?

[Randall Meadows]

On 14 Jun 2018, at 14:25, Peter Borsella wrote:

I currently have hundreds of IMAP folders.  Now that I have MailMate 
I’m wondering, is it better to create IMAP folders, or, better to 
create smart mailboxes every time I need a new collection of emails?


I don't know if it's endemic to IMAP, or just the server that DreamHost 
uses, but they (DH) explicitly move messages out of INBOX after ___ days 
(into an archived messages mailbox, I think this is configurable, as is 
the number of days), for performance reasons (they claim that lots of 
messages in INBOX slows things down).  Perhaps it might depend on your 
provider?

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Re: [MlMt] Outlook style reply styling

[Randall Meadows]

On 26 Apr 2018, at 0:40, Allan Reiffman wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestion, but if I am understanding correctly, that does
> not seem to work for me. After selecting the reply text (in the editing
> pane), using "command-option-hyphen" just makes the text in that pane
> smaller. Did I misundersand?

Yes, you did.  The correct keystrokes are command-option-singlequote.

Command-option-hyphen indeed alters the text size.


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Re: [MlMt] Surprising behavior when editing rules

[Randall Meadows]

On 3 Apr 2018, at 18:23, Randall Gellens wrote:


Hi,

When editing a mailbox rule, if I change the condition, the match text 
also changes, which seems unexpected.  For example, if an existing 
rule contains:



[ Recipient (To, Cc, Bcc) > **User** ]  [ is not ]  [ **foo@gork** ]


And I change the condition subpart from "User" to "Address", the match 
text gets replaced with something:


[ Recipient (To, Cc, Bcc) > **Address** ]  [ is not ]  [ **bar@flex** 
]


I would expect that when editing an exiting rule which already 
contains text in the match text field, that text would remain and not 
be replaced.


Does this happen when you do NOT have a message selected in the message 
list?  I could see this being a useful feature, by using context to 
"help" you edit the rule.
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Re: [MlMt] Default expunge?

[Randall Meadows]

On 19 Mar 2018, at 11:03, Randall Gellens wrote:


What is the recommended way to get rid of old deleted messages


I was trying to figure out why this is a problem for you and not for me.

And then I remembered that I'm running a SpamSieve drone on a Mac mini 
server over → there, and it's running under Mail.app, which I've set 
to remove deleted messages after 30 days.

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Re: [MlMt] How to edit recipients

[Randall Meadows]

On 4 Mar 2018, at 21:25, Randall Gellens wrote:
I wonder if an option to have a regex for name alteration might be a 
workable approach?  Leave it to the user to devise a good regex.


Reminds me of the adage: "I have a problem...I know—I'll use regex.  
Now I have two problems." :)

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Re: [MlMt] . Re: High Sierra, APFS, Time Machine, and MailMate.

[Randall Meadows]

On 14 Dec 2017, at 10:44, Tracy Valleau wrote:

As an Apple Developer since 1978, I can say that I quit using TM years 
ago. It is a consumer-level product, with modest capabilities and 
horrible reliability.


You asked for a solution. You need more robust backup software, which 
offers a mimicking of TM.


Two extremely reliable options are Carbon Copy Cloner and Chronosync. 
Both can be configured to run automatically whenever you like.


Chronosync is extremely versatile, and can out-do TM in its level of 
granularity.


Neither of which, though, do "versioned" backups like TM does, right?  
You only get the most recent "snapshot" of the drive, not any history of 
any items?


(I use CCC nightly for a quick-recovery in case of major disk failure, 
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Re: [MlMt] Line Breaks And Spacing

[Randall Meadows]

On 16 Aug 2017, at 8:36, Chuck wrote:

I'm having a hard time figuring out how to create spacing between my 
signature files and the end of paragraphs.  Simple spaces only provide 
one space between the end of emails and my signature file.  What am I 
missing?  I've searched around, but apparently am missing something.


⌥-space will force a blank line.
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Re: [MlMt] More on deleting a message and subsequent selection

[Randall Meadows]

On 13 Jul 2017, at 15:46, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 13 Jul 2017, at 19:14, Randall Meadows wrote:

I have enabled the `MmSingleMessageWindowClosesAfterMove` flag as 
described in the aforementioned thread; is there some other related 
flag I also have to set to get my old behavior back?


I think you are looking for 
[this](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences#navigation):


	defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmMessagesOutlineMoveStrategy 
-string "none"


I hope this helps.


Seems like it, but that leaves the message window open, even though the 
message it's showing was just deleted.


Additionally:

`% defaults read com.freron.MailMate 
MmSingleMessageWindowClosesAfterMove

1
`

Now I'm even more confused...
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Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon clicking notification

[Randall Meadows]

On 25 Apr 2017, at 9:53, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:


On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:53, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:


John,

If you look at the alert icons in the task bar at the top of your 
display, you should find options to go directly to the message, or 
just delete it, and lots of other options… for individual messages 
or groups of them.


v

On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:39, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:

Currently if you click on a notification about a new message, MM2 
activates, switches to Inbox, and highlights that messages.


I'd prefer it simply activate and open that message. I'm not 
normally in Inbox (I use smart mailboxes a lot), and what I want to 
do is read the message, not see it in a list.


I'm not sure what you mean here.


He's talking about the MailMate menu bar item, which can be enabled via 
Preferences > Counters > "Display: In menu bar".

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[MlMt] Run a script in a mailbox rule?

[Randall Meadows]

I want to run a script (bash/zsh [preferred] or AppleScript, et al.) 
whenever a new incoming message matches certain conditions I have 
defined in a rule on a mailbox.


I see the Run Command action in the rules editor, but that pulls from 
the Bundles I've enabled in the Bundles prefpane, and none of them seem 
to be able to run a script as an action.  Do I have to create my own 
Bundle to do this, or is there something else I'm missing?



Thanks!
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Re: [MlMt] Share

[Randall Meadows]

On 15 Mar 2017, at 11:44, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:

The MM2 share widget pops up a window asking if I want to open a 
message or cancel. A few questions:


1. How is this an improvement over the built-in Mail share widget? I 
suppose it allows you to use MM and another mail client?


2. No button on the pop-up is a keyboard default, so you have to click 
on it.


3. Most of the time you're going to want to create the message, so 
"OK" should be the default, but more broadly, how is asking here 
better than just opening a new message that can be closed (and thus 
canceled)? It's one action in either case.


So I guess I'd suggest that the pop-up step be eliminated.


+1
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Re: [MlMt] Move not copy recipients

[Randall Meadows]

On 9 Feb 2017, at 10:44, Robert Brenstein wrote:

My MM (1.9.6 / 5344) does what you wish for, so there might be a 
setting for it.


Interestingly, so does mine (also 5344), BUT, when dragging an address 
token from, say, the To: to the CC: field (either with the option key or 
not), I get the + icon in the drop zone (indicating a copy, not a move) 
in both instances (with and without the option key).



randy


Robert

On 9 Feb 2017, at 18:23, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:

It seems that the default behavior when recipients are dragged from 
one field to another (to: to bcc:, for example) is to copy them. I 
would think that a move would be preferred (and that holding down the 
option key would change that to copy).


John



--
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
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[MlMt] SpamSieve and TrainGood folder

[Randall Meadows]

I went through my Junk mail and found 45 false positives.  I'm running 
SpamSieve in "drone mode" (I think that's what it's called--running it 
on a different machine, my Mac mini, with Mail.app running there, to do 
the filtering); I moved those 45 messages to the "TrainGood" mailbox.


That was like 2 hours ago; they're still sitting in the TrainGood 
mailbox.  I was under the impression that they would get refiltered 
according to the INBOX rules; am I mistaken in how training is supposed 
to work?



Thanks.
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Re: [MlMt] How to *move* messages out of Inbox (or emulate such a behavior)?

[Randall Meadows]

On 28 Dec 2016, at 1:43, Dave C wrote:


New user here…


Welcome.

I’ve got the hang of smart folders and the ones I’ve created now 
contain messages from mail lists (I’m subscribed to several).


My goal is to have an Inbox that has none of these mail list messages 
and only contains the remainder of the day’s mail, mostly personal 
mail and junk.


I understand that the purpose of smart folders is to mirror messages 
to those folders without actually moving them. How can I achieve my 
goal of having the Inbox (or maybe another smart folder named 
“MyInbox”?) not contain the messages that are visible in the smart 
folders?


Any suggestions?


Well, INBOX is not a smart folder, so I'm not sure you can do what 
you're asking here without actually moving some messages somewhere; if a 
message is in INBOX, it's going to show in INBOX, regardless of whether 
it's also showing in some other smart mailbox.  Perhaps someone smarter 
than I will correct me, but I think you'll have to move messages out of 
the INBOX in order to achieve what you're asking for here.


If you want to go the "MyInbox" route, you can create a smart mailbox 
that includes messages from any specific mailbox (like INBOX) but 
excludes mailing list messages.


Personally, I think it's easier and more logical to move messages to 
context-specific mailboxes, and then have a smart mailbox that shows me 
unread messages in those other mailboxes; but then I've been doing that 
since LONG before "smart mailboxes" were a thing, and old habits die 
hard...


BTW, I don't know about other mail hosts, but Dreamhost requires me to 
trim messages out of my INBOX "for performance reasons"; if that's 
really a thing, you may want to consider moving messages away from the 
INBOX anyway.

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Re: [MlMt] Schedule posts

[Randall Meadows]

On 24 Nov 2016, at 8:46, Roberto Thiella wrote:


Sorry but what are you talking about?
I don’t have any send later field.
Please tell me what.


See the pop down menu at the far left of the toolbar in a compose 
window: 

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[MlMt] Rearrange Mailbox Rules?

[Randall Meadows]

How does one rearrange the order of mailbox rules?  Edit a .plist file 
somewhere?

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Re: [MlMt] update a draft crash MM since Sierra

[Randall Meadows]

On 20 Oct 2016, at 7:13, Julien Cellario wrote:


Hi there,

just to let you know that since update to Sierra, MM crashes when you 
try to edit a draft.


FWIW, I am running Sierra and just edited (and then sent) a draft with 
no problem at all.  What version are you running?

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Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message

[Randall Meadows]

On 8 Oct 2016, at 6:55, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:


I wrote in another thread:

2. If I delete that message while it’s open, no message is left 
selected. I’d rather the next message in the thread get selected. 
I’m a keyboard guy, and while this isn’t a big deal if the 
message I want is the last one in the inbox (just hit the up arrow), 
it’s a pain if it’s not and I have to hit the arrow multiple 
times or use the mouse.


Someone else suggested that the next message be selected and opened, 
which I would not prefer, but having no message be selected after 
deleting an open one is not good, IMO.


To each his own.  I prefer the current behavior, because it allows me to 
delete the message I'm reading, quickly and easily without my hands 
leaving the keyboard, and still leave the "next message" unread, as I 
don't have time right at the moment to deal with it, and leaving it 
marked unread (which selecting it would undo) leaves me a reminder for 
later.


Hopefully Benny will be able to accommodate us *all* with a plethora of 
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Re: [MlMt] Compose window toolbar bug

[Randall Meadows]

On 27 Sep 2016, at 13:55, Bill Cole wrote:


On 27 Sep 2016, at 11:51, Randall Meadows wrote:

I'm assuming this is not a feature of running Mailmate on Sierra, eh? 
 (The items behave correctly when clicked, they just don't display 
correctly.)


![](cid:DF202BB0-A831-4C0A-AEE0-5D3132836A75@not-pc.com 
"PastedImage.png")


I could see it, though, as a consequence of using version 1.9.4 
(5234) on Sierra, huh?  I am hesitant to update/upgrade too many 
things at once, 'til I see how things go with what I did 
update/upgrade...but if that's the fix, I'll do it.


I've managed to (accidentally) reproduce similar behavior on Yosemite 
by using an alternative "System" font and by using TinkerTool to bump 
up default font size for OS-provided views.


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[MlMt] Compose window toolbar bug

[Randall Meadows]

I'm assuming this is not a feature of running Mailmate on Sierra, eh?  
(The items behave correctly when clicked, they just don't display 
correctly.)


![](cid:DF202BB0-A831-4C0A-AEE0-5D3132836A75@not-pc.com 
"PastedImage.png")


I could see it, though, as a consequence of using version 1.9.4 (5234) 
on Sierra, huh?  I am hesitant to update/upgrade too many things at 
once, 'til I see how things go with what I did update/upgrade...but if 
that's the fix, I'll do it.



randy
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