Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
Robert Brenstein: I will insert the full citation: > On 12 Nov 2019, at 22:16, Andreas Borutta wrote: >>> This seems like the simplest solution by far, and as far as I can tell >>> it enables (almost?) exactly what Andreas requested. The real power of >>> MailMate lies in the smart filtering features, and that is where the >>> necessary configurability resides, although this is one that actually >>> comes pre-configured on install. >> I need "context" in form of a server side folder* (or a smart >> mailbox). >> * I prefer the server side structure, because I can use on every >> client, because it synchronizes. > If you are talking about mailing lists, No, I was talking about smart mailboxes versus server side folders. The smart mailboxes can only used on in MM and not in the other clients. Andreas -- http://fahrradzukunft.de ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
If you are talking about mailing lists, I find it better to have separate mail account for each major list and another account for smaller lists. That way, I do not only have server-side structure as you call it but can decide which lists I want to have (or not) on any specific device. It is also a tad easier to set up smart mailboxes in MM since I can simply reference the source account. On 12 Nov 2019, at 22:16, Andreas Borutta wrote: * I prefer the server side structure, because I can use on every client, because it synchronizes. Andreas ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
you can go in on any mailbox and add a condition that you don't want to see mails if they are found in another folder (physical or smart virtual ones). If I remember opera mail it actually works in the same manner...except you couldn't configure/control it... How i can Setup this "Not in other View" condition?  Here is how I do it for my Inbox folder. I think opera mail has a global toggle on each folder to automatically have it be filtered out of any other smart mailbox - that kind of feature I haven't found a way to express in mailmate smart boxes yet. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
On 13 Nov 2019, at 17:35, Michael Nietzold wrote: How i can Setup this "Not in other View" condition? The way I did it was to set up a rule to tag or mailing lists as "Mailing List" and then set the relevant inboxes not to include anything tagged like that. The Opera Mail way is more intuitive but, as Max says, this is more flexible. I suspect there are other ways of doing this that just need documenting. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
> you can go in on any mailbox and add a condition that you don't want to see > mails if they are found in another folder (physical or smart virtual ones). > If I remember opera mail it actually works in the same manner...except you > couldn't configure/control it... How i can Setup this "Not in other View" condition? > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
On 12 Nov 2019, at 21:54, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: you can go in on any mailbox and add a condition that you don't want to see mails if they are found in another folder (physical or smart virtual ones). If I remember opera mail it actually works in the same manner...except you couldn't configure/control it... Yes, I know and I've got it to work. I just found **some** things easier to work with in Opera like, for example, grouping feeds or mailing lists into folders. But then there are some things that I can do with MailMate that I couldn't do with Opera Mail. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
Glenn Parker: It seems to be a solution. But is none for me. I need "context" in form of a server side folder* (or a smart mailbox). > This seems like the simplest solution by far, and as far as I can tell > it enables (almost?) exactly what Andreas requested. The real power of > MailMate lies in the smart filtering features, and that is where the > necessary configurability resides, although this is one that actually > comes pre-configured on install. > > On 12 Nov 2019, at 3:07, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: > >> You can create a smart mailbox or use the existing one to have *All >> Unread messages* and you can use a single key to read through that :) * I prefer the server side structure, because I can use on every client, because it synchronizes. Andreas -- http://fahrradzukunft.de ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
On 12 Nov 2019, at 14:19, Andreas Borutta wrote: Max Rydahl Andersen: Good thing is that if you know of an editor that can do what you are looking for then mailmate most likely can use it to edit/create the mail for you :) Hhhmmm. I can't imagine, that it feels comfortable to use an external editor for composing, because while using it you cannot see the fields "To" or "From" or "Subject". They are in a different pane. That's exactly how I use it: As soon as I tab into the message-area, BBEdit opens the edit message-window just beside MailMates one. I can see all the email-relevant fields (From, Subject, Date, To) in the MailMate-window while I'm using the whole editing power of BBEdit in the message window… the best of both worlds for me! :-) Take a look: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3xxmuv4ktozskt0/bildschirmfoto%202019-11-12%20um%2015.05.21.png?dl=0 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
what do you mean here ? you mean UI elements or ? I commented this a couple of months ago when I started with MailMate. Basically, Opera Mail has what I would call sensible defaults: you can configure "filters" so that the contents do not show in other views, and mailboxes themselves can be configured so that standard filters, say mailing lists or items identified as spam, do not show. I understand you can sort of do this with MailMate, just not so easily out of the box. you can go in on any mailbox and add a condition that you don't want to see mails if they are found in another folder (physical or smart virtual ones). If I remember opera mail it actually works in the same manner...except you couldn't configure/control it... /max Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
This seems like the simplest solution by far, and as far as I can tell it enables (almost?) exactly what Andreas requested. The real power of MailMate lies in the smart filtering features, and that is where the necessary configurability resides, although this is one that actually comes pre-configured on install. On 12 Nov 2019, at 3:07, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: You can create a smart mailbox or use the existing one to have *All Unread messages* and you can use a single key to read through that :) /max https://xam.dk/about Glenn P. Parker glenn.par...@comcast.net ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
On 12 Nov 2019, at 12:59, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: what do you mean here ? you mean UI elements or ? I commented this a couple of months ago when I started with MailMate. Basically, Opera Mail has what I would call sensible defaults: you can configure "filters" so that the contents do not show in other views, and mailboxes themselves can be configured so that standard filters, say mailing lists or items identified as spam, do not show. I understand you can sort of do this with MailMate, just not so easily out of the box. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
yes, I do similar except I also have all my mails from mailing lists automatically sorted into folders so I can look them up easily on phone/web mail interface. /max https://xam.dk/about On 12 Nov 2019, at 13:57, Fredrik Jonsson wrote: Andreas Borutta 2019-11-12 12:15 wrote: smart mailboxes: I do not know of any other mail app which can handled smart mailboxes as well as mail mate. Until now I'm not sure, if I ever need that feature. Usually I was just fine with the search function, when I had to look into mails of the past. But may I will like it, when I try to finde usefull cases for me. I used to have a lot of rules that moved in mails to a lot of different folders. After moving to MailMate and discovering how smart the smart folders are I now use a different approach. 1. All mail comes in to the standard "Inbox". 2. There I look at them and press "a" for archive or "d" for delete etc. 3. The "Inbox" is then empty and all mail I want to keep is in "Archive". I then have a lot of smart folders for customers, persons, projects, mailing lists etc. They completely replace all the folders I used to have. For me this is a lot better : * One mail can show up in any number of smart folders. * Reorganising things does not involve moving any mail, just changing some smart folders. * I can add and remove smart folders without any risk of losing mail. Fredrik ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
Max Rydahl Andersen: > Good thing is that if you know of an editor that can do what you are > looking for then mailmate most likely can use it to edit/create the mail > for you :) Hhhmmm. I can't imagine, that it feels comfortable to use an external editor for composing, because while using it you cannot see the fields "To" or "From" or "Subject". They are in a different pane. Andreas -- http://fahrradzukunft.de ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
Fredrik Jonsson: > Andreas Borutta 2019-11-12 12:15 wrote: > >> smart mailboxes: I do not know of any other mail app which can handled >>> smart mailboxes as well as mail mate. >> >> >> Until now I'm not sure, if I ever need that feature. Usually I was >> just fine with the search function, when I had to look into mails of >> the past. But may I will like it, when I try to finde usefull cases >> for me. > > I used to have a lot of rules that moved in mails to a lot of different > folders. After moving to MailMate and discovering how smart the smart > folders are I now use a different approach. > > 1. All mail comes in to the standard "Inbox". > 2. There I look at them and press "a" for archive or "d" for delete etc. > 3. The "Inbox" is then empty and all mail I want to keep is in > "Archive". > > I then have a lot of smart folders for customers, persons, projects, > mailing lists etc. They completely replace all the folders I used to > have. > > For me this is a lot better : > > * One mail can show up in any number of smart folders. > * Reorganising things does not involve moving any mail, just changing > some smart folders. > * I can add and remove smart folders without any risk of losing mail. Thanks for those insights in your workflow. My workflow is very basic compared to that. I do not delete typically, I do not set rules and I do not archive. My main concept is "laizyness". My only decision I make is: Does that mail needs an answer? Then I press the keyboard shortcut for reply. Now there two options: I reply immediately or I save the reply which creates a draft. That's it. When I need to look at the history of conversation I use the indexed search function. Andreas -- http://fahrradzukunft.de ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
markdown for email: nuff'said ? Until now, me as a reader of incomming messages, prefer text only view. Because so few people are using HTML in a useful way. which is why mail mate's use of markdown is great. If you are mainly a text email guy you just read the markdown - there is no special formatting, lists looks like lists written in text etc. When it comes to composing a message I prefer a markdowneditor, which standard mode is "show the generated html view" while editing. My eyes just don't like to see the syntax of markdown. Yes ? I have show html view too so I can see both text and html But I'm talking of the compose process. When I use markdown, I like my editor to behave like e.g. the App Notes on macOS: I write "* foo"ENTER And the app "thinks" I like to write a list point and renders it like a html element "ul". That's my favorite behaviour. It get the best of both worlds: I don't need graphical buttons to declare something as a list point. I just write "* foo". But I get the nice rendering of HTML. When I understand it correctly, that is not possible in MM. Please correct me, if neccessary. no, and I personally like it that way as I like editing in text mode over a visual one. Good thing is that if you know of an editor that can do what you are looking for then mailmate most likely can use it to edit/create the mail for you :) Summarized: I would love to have a text editor for mail composing, which offers formatting for plain text tasks. Example: Format a numbered list. Before formatting: * Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Fusce vehicula orci vitae * Felis congue porta. Maecenas finibus fermentum erat. Aenean pulvinar consequat arcu After formatting: 1. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Fusce vehicula orci vitae 2. Felis congue porta. Maecenas finibus fermentum erat. Aenean pulvinar consequat arcu But I have never heard that such a mail compose plain text editor exist. That sounds like something you can do with osx text services. Ever tried out https://brettterpstra.com/projects/markdown-service-tools/#listsfixnumberedlist ? His markdown services might help you out. But I do not talk about markdown. I like to send a plain text message and than a receiver who uses a plain text mail client (which cannot view html or markdown) should see the text in the way I posted it above. Nicely formatted plain text. Andreas -- http://fahrradzukunft.de ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
On 11/12/19 9:18 AM, Andreas Borutta wrote: Would you (or others) who are experienced with Thunderbird like to help me to explore in which aspects MM is superior to TB? I use MM on my MacBook Air, but since my MacBook Pro died my main laptop is a Dell running Ubuntu, and I use Thunderbird on that. (Oh for MM on Ubuntu, but I'm not expecting that to ever happen). I use both on and off throughout the day. MM is of course much tidier than anything on Ubuntu. The two things that I notice that Thunderbird has that MM doesn't are the 'n' key for next unread message in any account and the shift-Delete (not shift-Backspace) for 'obliterate' rather than just delete. This is much quicker for removing spam than chasing it through 'Deleted Items' (or whatever you use) to get rid of it. One of my IMAP accounts is also used by others (a club 'info' account), so I want to be able to remove all traces of spam rather than have others having to identify a spam message as such once I have already done so. These other people delete to various folders. My Android phone and iPad delete to a couple of other places too. If you select to view the top level of an account, Thunderbird just shows an info pane; MM shows you all the messages in that account which allows you to 'round up' all the spam in one place then remove them. I've now developed two different ways of working with my emails depending on which laptop I'm using. I'm also running MM on an unattended Mac Mini that does some background filtering. David ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
Andreas Borutta 2019-11-12 12:15 wrote: smart mailboxes: I do not know of any other mail app which can handled smart mailboxes as well as mail mate. Until now I'm not sure, if I ever need that feature. Usually I was just fine with the search function, when I had to look into mails of the past. But may I will like it, when I try to finde usefull cases for me. I used to have a lot of rules that moved in mails to a lot of different folders. After moving to MailMate and discovering how smart the smart folders are I now use a different approach. 1. All mail comes in to the standard "Inbox". 2. There I look at them and press "a" for archive or "d" for delete etc. 3. The "Inbox" is then empty and all mail I want to keep is in "Archive". I then have a lot of smart folders for customers, persons, projects, mailing lists etc. They completely replace all the folders I used to have. For me this is a lot better : * One mail can show up in any number of smart folders. * Reorganising things does not involve moving any mail, just changing some smart folders. * I can add and remove smart folders without any risk of losing mail. Fredrik ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
Max Rydahl Andersen: >>> markdown for email: nuff'said ? >> >> Until now, me as a reader of incomming messages, prefer text only >> view. >> Because so few people are using HTML in a useful way. > > which is why mail mate's use of markdown is great. > > If you are mainly a text email guy you just read the markdown - there is > no special formatting, lists looks like lists written in text etc. > >> When it comes to composing a message I prefer a markdowneditor, which >> standard mode is "show the generated html view" while editing. >> My eyes just don't like to see the syntax of markdown. > > Yes ? I have show html view too so I can see both text and html But I'm talking of the compose process. When I use markdown, I like my editor to behave like e.g. the App Notes on macOS: I write "* foo"ENTER And the app "thinks" I like to write a list point and renders it like a html element "ul". That's my favorite behaviour. It get the best of both worlds: I don't need graphical buttons to declare something as a list point. I just write "* foo". But I get the nice rendering of HTML. When I understand it correctly, that is not possible in MM. Please correct me, if neccessary. >> Summarized: >> >> I would love to have a text editor for mail composing, which offers >> formatting for plain text tasks. >> >> Example: >> Format a numbered list. >> >> Before formatting: >> >> * Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Fusce >> vehicula orci vitae >> * Felis congue porta. Maecenas finibus fermentum erat. Aenean pulvinar >> consequat arcu >> >> After formatting: >> >> 1. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Fusce >> vehicula orci vitae >> >> 2. Felis congue porta. Maecenas finibus fermentum erat. Aenean >> pulvinar consequat arcu >> >> But I have never heard that such a mail compose plain text editor >> exist. > > That sounds like something you can do with osx text services. > > Ever tried out > https://brettterpstra.com/projects/markdown-service-tools/#listsfixnumberedlist > > ? > His markdown services might help you out. But I do not talk about markdown. I like to send a plain text message and than a receiver who uses a plain text mail client (which cannot view html or markdown) should see the text in the way I posted it above. Nicely formatted plain text. Andreas -- http://fahrradzukunft.de ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
ah good old opera mail - it was great but its complete ignorance and non-support of folders server side killed the email experience from any other client. I never had problems with server-side folders, but then I don't use them very often. As noted elsewhere, MailMate is, in my opinion, missing a simple option to exclude elements from other views. what do you mean here ? you mean UI elements or ? But seeing as it's been cast adrift for several years, the point is somewhat moot and I've now moved all my accounts to MailMate. Though I'm probably not going to move to 10.15 any time soon. Mailmate allows you to mix and match whatever approach works for you. Absolutely! MailMate has some great features even if it's missing some fit and finish. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
I would love for Benny to add a nextunreadornextcountedfolder command but I would encourage you to try mailmate out even before that happens :) : ) That's what I'm doing right now. Would you (or others) who are experienced with Thunderbird like to help me to explore in which aspects MM is superior to TB? Here are my on top of my head features: Thanks for your feedback : ) I will snip those points, where I have no further enquiry. bundles: I use a bunch of the bundles built in Which specific tasks do you solve with those bundles please? Mailman - to easy open archives and generate unsucribe mail/website info. org-mode - add email to my GTD inbox (similar exists for a bunch of other GTD tools) mailmate - copy links to emails, copy subjects, etc. ...you'll notice I wrote 2 of these so maybe I'm biased :) markdown for email: nuff'said ? Until now, me as a reader of incomming messages, prefer text only view. Because so few people are using HTML in a useful way. which is why mail mate's use of markdown is great. If you are mainly a text email guy you just read the markdown - there is no special formatting, lists looks like lists written in text etc. When it comes to composing a message I prefer a markdowneditor, which standard mode is "show the generated html view" while editing. My eyes just don't like to see the syntax of markdown. Yes ? I have show html view too so I can see both text and html I send as I know both will end up to be viewed by user dependent on their preference to text or html. Summarized: I would love to have a text editor for mail composing, which offers formatting for plain text tasks. Example: Format a numbered list. Before formatting: * Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Fusce vehicula orci vitae * Felis congue porta. Maecenas finibus fermentum erat. Aenean pulvinar consequat arcu After formatting: 1. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Fusce vehicula orci vitae 2. Felis congue porta. Maecenas finibus fermentum erat. Aenean pulvinar consequat arcu But I have never heard that such a mail compose plain text editor exist. That sounds like something you can do with osx text services. Ever tried out https://brettterpstra.com/projects/markdown-service-tools/#listsfixnumberedlist ? His markdown services might help you out. integration with spotlight on osx: not sure if thunderbird does this by now but i use it often now with mailmate (its in many cases faster than mail mate to do focused search) Good hint! For curiousity: Does the internal search of MM uses an index as well? yes, but it’s a different one and supports way more parameters ;) With my 1.000.000 messages it sometimes gets challenged and it does block the UI but that’s why I try and use spotlight search for most things until Benny finds a way to improve that situation. It helps to tell search to just search in a specific mailbox - speed things up ;) smart mailboxes: I do not know of any other mail app which can handled smart mailboxes as well as mail mate. Until now I'm not sure, if I ever need that feature. Usually I was just fine with the search function, when I had to look into mails of the past. But may I will like it, when I try to finde usefull cases for me. Independent of that: Are anyone of you uses the filter type/language SIEVE and declares the rules inside MM? MM doesn't support editing SIEVE rules. It does have integration support with spamsieve. Oh, that surprises me. I had in my mind, that MM allows editing SIEVE rules. no, it has its own filtering system. That said I uses neither as I don't want my desktop client to do the bulk filtering as it is not always running thus my mails gets cluttered when just on phone. I'm not sure, if I understand you correctly. SIEVE will do the filtering job on the server. That's why I would like to use it. yes, you can continue to do that. I just don't want to be forced to open the webinterface of my provider to add a new rule. I like to do that from my mail client. yeah, so I never seen a mail client that does good server side rule editing; hence why I use imapfilter ;) /max Andreas -- http://fahrradzukunft.de ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
Max Rydahl Andersen: >>> I would love for Benny to add a nextunreadornextcountedfolder command >>> but I >>> would encourage you to try mailmate out even before that happens :) >> >>: ) That's what I'm doing right now. >> >> Would you (or others) who are experienced with Thunderbird like to >> help me to explore in which aspects MM is superior to TB? > > Here are my on top of my head features: Thanks for your feedback : ) I will snip those points, where I have no further enquiry. > bundles: I use a bunch of the bundles built in Which specific tasks do you solve with those bundles please? > markdown for email: nuff'said ? Until now, me as a reader of incomming messages, prefer text only view. Because so few people are using HTML in a useful way. When it comes to composing a message I prefer a markdowneditor, which standard mode is "show the generated html view" while editing. My eyes just don't like to see the syntax of markdown. Summarized: I would love to have a text editor for mail composing, which offers formatting for plain text tasks. Example: Format a numbered list. Before formatting: * Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Fusce vehicula orci vitae * Felis congue porta. Maecenas finibus fermentum erat. Aenean pulvinar consequat arcu After formatting: 1. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Fusce vehicula orci vitae 2. Felis congue porta. Maecenas finibus fermentum erat. Aenean pulvinar consequat arcu But I have never heard that such a mail compose plain text editor exist. > integration with spotlight on osx: not sure if thunderbird does this by > now but i use it often now with mailmate (its in many cases faster than > mail mate to do focused search) Good hint! For curiousity: Does the internal search of MM uses an index as well? > smart mailboxes: I do not know of any other mail app which can handled > smart mailboxes as well as mail mate. Until now I'm not sure, if I ever need that feature. Usually I was just fine with the search function, when I had to look into mails of the past. But may I will like it, when I try to finde usefull cases for me. >> Independent of that: >> Are anyone of you uses the filter type/language SIEVE and declares the >> rules inside MM? > > MM doesn't support editing SIEVE rules. It does have integration support > with spamsieve. Oh, that surprises me. I had in my mind, that MM allows editing SIEVE rules. > That said I uses neither as I don't want my desktop client to do the > bulk filtering as > it is not always running thus my mails gets cluttered when just on > phone. I'm not sure, if I understand you correctly. SIEVE will do the filtering job on the server. That's why I would like to use it. I just don't want to be forced to open the webinterface of my provider to add a new rule. I like to do that from my mail client. Andreas -- http://fahrradzukunft.de ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
On 12 Nov 2019, at 11:16, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: ah good old opera mail - it was great but its complete ignorance and non-support of folders server side killed the email experience from any other client. I never had problems with server-side folders, but then I don't use them very often. As noted elsewhere, MailMate is, in my opinion, missing a simple option to exclude elements from other views. But seeing as it's been cast adrift for several years, the point is somewhat moot and I've now moved all my accounts to MailMate. Though I'm probably not going to move to 10.15 any time soon. Mailmate allows you to mix and match whatever approach works for you. Absolutely! MailMate has some great features even if it's missing some fit and finish. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
On 12 Nov 2019, at 10:38, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: smart mailboxes: I do not know of any other mail app which can handled smart mailboxes as well as mail mate. Opera Mail, perhaps, but it's no longer maintained and won't run on >= 10.15. ah good old opera mail - it was great but its complete ignorance and non-support of folders server side killed the email experience from any other client. Mailmate allows you to mix and match whatever approach works for you. /max I think support for dynamic views (smart mailboxes) is a killer feature for anyone who gets used to it: it is so much faster and flexible than folders. That said, there's a long list of stuff that MM could do (Exchange support, even if I hate it), or could do better, so I do hope Benny has the time to work on it. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
On 12 Nov 2019, at 10:38, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: smart mailboxes: I do not know of any other mail app which can handled smart mailboxes as well as mail mate. Opera Mail, perhaps, but it's no longer maintained and won't run on >= 10.15. I think support for dynamic views (smart mailboxes) is a killer feature for anyone who gets used to it: it is so much faster and flexible than folders. That said, there's a long list of stuff that MM could do (Exchange support, even if I hate it), or could do better, so I do hope Benny has the time to work on it. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
I Fully grok your mindset here. I had the same. Thank you. It is important for me to know, that there are other users who like the suggested feature too. I did jump to mailmate in the end though since mailmate is so much better in almost any other aspect than Thunderbird. And to be clear you do not need to use any modifiers to go to next unread. I have 'n' as my next unread. Yes, but with that command you are stucked in the mailbox, where you are at the moment. To get to the next unread in the next mailbox you need another command. Yes, and that’s why I compromised it so that I simply have to push shift+n when I want to move further. You could make it so 'b' moved to next so you only need to move your finger one slot to the left :) I would love for Benny to add a nextunreadornextcountedfolder command but I would encourage you to try mailmate out even before that happens :) : ) That's what I'm doing right now. Would you (or others) who are experienced with Thunderbird like to help me to explore in which aspects MM is superior to TB? Here are my on top of my head features: scalability: with mail mate I'm now at 1.000.000+ messages something I never got near with thunderbird - I stopped using thunderbird the 3rd time I had it corrupts its own database and then spent days downloading all messages again. bundles: I use a bunch of the bundles built in but also written a few internal processes, like take expense emails through a filter which then generates content in my clipboard I can then put into a spreadsheet ;) markdown for email: nuff'said ? integration with spotlight on osx: not sure if thunderbird does this by now but i use it often now with mailmate (its in many cases faster than mail mate to do focused search) smart mailboxes: I do not know of any other mail app which can handled smart mailboxes as well as mail mate. Independent of that: Are anyone of you uses the filter type/language SIEVE and declares the rules inside MM? MM doesn't support editing SIEVE rules. It does have integration support with spamsieve. That said I uses neither as I don't want my desktop client to do the bulk filtering as it is not always running thus my mails gets cluttered when just on phone. I use imapfilter and have a fairly complex implementation which I some day will try and make possible to share..some day ;) That said mailmates filtering rules are very good and if I just used my desktop for mails or it was always on I would be fine with mail mates filters. /max Best Andreas On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 09:26, Andreas Borutta wrote: Travis Risner via mailmate: I have found that if I choose the general/universal inbox, I can then option-command down arrow to move to the next unread message. Yes, pressing it again will go to the next unread message rather than paging down, but I consider this an advantage. It lets me skip from a short or boring message directly to the next. I like and use the optional command "Jump to the beginning of the next unread message" too. For the same reason like you: when a message is boring. But my highest priority of all functions of a mail client is indeed the single read key. Just because I use it thousand of times. That's as well the reason that for such a command I regard only a keyboard shortcut as acceptable which uses one key and not additionally a meta key or arrow key. Further I prefer it not use "one big mailbox for all messages". So I need the single read key working in the normal mailboxes. In other words: When the command stops at the last unread message in one Mailbox and forces the user to manually switch to the next mailbox (with a special keyboard shortcut), it does not work for me. I really do not stop using "one single key for reading". I tried to find where this is documented but I didn't see it in MM help, the MM manual, in MM preferences, system preferences, or in the "defaults" settings. Since I don't know where this is set (or how I got it to work), it may not work for you. BTW, Thunderbird allows one to transfer an email to a local folder. MM does not. Thus just looking through the MM inbox gets to all unread messages available to MM. (I use both programs just so I can transfer emails to local folders. Other than that, I consider MM superior to Thunderbird.) My impression of MM is very good too. I bought the license 2 years ago. But as long as I can't realize a single read key I cannot switch from Thunderbird to MM. Yes, local folders are a nice concept of TB. But it has not the same rank for me as such usability features as "single read key". But I'm patient :) May be Benny likes my suggestion. Andreas -- http://fahrradzukunft.de ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate Andreas -- http://fahrradzukunft.de ___
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
Max Andersen: > I Fully grok your mindset here. I had the same. Thank you. It is important for me to know, that there are other users who like the suggested feature too. > I did jump to mailmate in the end though since mailmate is so much better > in almost any other aspect than Thunderbird. > > And to be clear you do not need to use any modifiers to go to next unread. > I have 'n' as my next unread. Yes, but with that command you are stucked in the mailbox, where you are at the moment. To get to the next unread in the next mailbox you need another command. > I would love for Benny to add a nextunreadornextcountedfolder command but I > would encourage you to try mailmate out even before that happens :) : ) That's what I'm doing right now. Would you (or others) who are experienced with Thunderbird like to help me to explore in which aspects MM is superior to TB? Independent of that: Are anyone of you uses the filter type/language SIEVE and declares the rules inside MM? Best Andreas > > > On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 09:26, Andreas Borutta wrote: > >> Travis Risner via mailmate: >> >>> I have found that if I choose the general/universal inbox, I can then >>> option-command down arrow to move to the next unread message. Yes, >>> pressing it again will go to the next unread message rather than paging >>> down, but I consider this an advantage. It lets me skip from a short or >>> boring message directly to the next. >> >> I like and use the optional command "Jump to the beginning of the next >> unread message" too. For the same reason like you: when a message is >> boring. >> But my highest priority of all functions of a mail client is indeed >> the single read key. Just because I use it thousand of times. >> >> That's as well the reason that for such a command I regard only a >> keyboard shortcut as acceptable which uses one key and not >> additionally a meta key or arrow key. >> >> Further I prefer it not use "one big mailbox for all messages". So I >> need the single read key working in the normal mailboxes. >> >> In other words: >> When the command stops at the last unread message in one Mailbox and >> forces the user to manually switch to the next mailbox (with a special >> keyboard shortcut), it does not work for me. >> >> I really do not stop using "one single key for reading". >> >>> I tried to find where this is documented but I didn't see it in MM help, >>> the MM manual, in MM preferences, system preferences, or in the >>> "defaults" settings. Since I don't know where this is set (or how I got >>> it to work), it may not work for you. >>> >>> BTW, Thunderbird allows one to transfer an email to a local folder. MM >>> does not. Thus just looking through the MM inbox gets to all unread >>> messages available to MM. (I use both programs just so I can transfer >>> emails to local folders. Other than that, I consider MM superior to >>> Thunderbird.) >> >> My impression of MM is very good too. I bought the license 2 years >> ago. But as long as I can't realize a single read key I cannot switch >> from Thunderbird to MM. >> >> Yes, local folders are a nice concept of TB. But it has not the same >> rank for me as such usability features as "single read key". >> >> But I'm patient :) >> May be Benny likes my suggestion. >> >> >> Andreas >> -- >> http://fahrradzukunft.de >> >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> Andreas -- http://fahrradzukunft.de ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
I Fully grok your mindset here. I had the same. I did jump to mailmate in the end though since mailmate is so much better in almost any other aspect than Thunderbird. And to be clear you do not need to use any modifiers to go to next unread. I have 'n' as my next unread. I would love for Benny to add a nextunreadornextcountedfolder command but I would encourage you to try mailmate out even before that happens :) On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 09:26, Andreas Borutta wrote: > Travis Risner via mailmate: > > > I have found that if I choose the general/universal inbox, I can then > > option-command down arrow to move to the next unread message. Yes, > > pressing it again will go to the next unread message rather than paging > > down, but I consider this an advantage. It lets me skip from a short or > > boring message directly to the next. > > I like and use the optional command "Jump to the beginning of the next > unread message" too. For the same reason like you: when a message is > boring. > But my highest priority of all functions of a mail client is indeed > the single read key. Just because I use it thousand of times. > > That's as well the reason that for such a command I regard only a > keyboard shortcut as acceptable which uses one key and not > additionally a meta key or arrow key. > > Further I prefer it not use "one big mailbox for all messages". So I > need the single read key working in the normal mailboxes. > > In other words: > When the command stops at the last unread message in one Mailbox and > forces the user to manually switch to the next mailbox (with a special > keyboard shortcut), it does not work for me. > > I really do not stop using "one single key for reading". > > > I tried to find where this is documented but I didn't see it in MM help, > > the MM manual, in MM preferences, system preferences, or in the > > "defaults" settings. Since I don't know where this is set (or how I got > > it to work), it may not work for you. > > > > BTW, Thunderbird allows one to transfer an email to a local folder. MM > > does not. Thus just looking through the MM inbox gets to all unread > > messages available to MM. (I use both programs just so I can transfer > > emails to local folders. Other than that, I consider MM superior to > > Thunderbird.) > > My impression of MM is very good too. I bought the license 2 years > ago. But as long as I can't realize a single read key I cannot switch > from Thunderbird to MM. > > Yes, local folders are a nice concept of TB. But it has not the same > rank for me as such usability features as "single read key". > > But I'm patient :) > May be Benny likes my suggestion. > > > Andreas > -- > http://fahrradzukunft.de > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > -- /max http://about.me/maxandersen ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
Travis Risner via mailmate: > I have found that if I choose the general/universal inbox, I can then > option-command down arrow to move to the next unread message. Yes, > pressing it again will go to the next unread message rather than paging > down, but I consider this an advantage. It lets me skip from a short or > boring message directly to the next. I like and use the optional command "Jump to the beginning of the next unread message" too. For the same reason like you: when a message is boring. But my highest priority of all functions of a mail client is indeed the single read key. Just because I use it thousand of times. That's as well the reason that for such a command I regard only a keyboard shortcut as acceptable which uses one key and not additionally a meta key or arrow key. Further I prefer it not use "one big mailbox for all messages". So I need the single read key working in the normal mailboxes. In other words: When the command stops at the last unread message in one Mailbox and forces the user to manually switch to the next mailbox (with a special keyboard shortcut), it does not work for me. I really do not stop using "one single key for reading". > I tried to find where this is documented but I didn't see it in MM help, > the MM manual, in MM preferences, system preferences, or in the > "defaults" settings. Since I don't know where this is set (or how I got > it to work), it may not work for you. > > BTW, Thunderbird allows one to transfer an email to a local folder. MM > does not. Thus just looking through the MM inbox gets to all unread > messages available to MM. (I use both programs just so I can transfer > emails to local folders. Other than that, I consider MM superior to > Thunderbird.) My impression of MM is very good too. I bought the license 2 years ago. But as long as I can't realize a single read key I cannot switch from Thunderbird to MM. Yes, local folders are a nice concept of TB. But it has not the same rank for me as such usability features as "single read key". But I'm patient :) May be Benny likes my suggestion. Andreas -- http://fahrradzukunft.de ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
You can create a smart mailbox or use the existing one to have *All
Unread messages* and you can use a single key to read through that :)
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On 11 Nov 2019, at 18:17, Andreas Borutta wrote:
Max Rydahl Andersen:
I haven't found one, so my approximation is the following:
"N" = ("selectNextCountedMailbox:", "makeFirstResponder:",
"mainOutline","selectFirstMessageRow:");
"P" = ("selectPreviousCountedMailbox:", "makeFirstResponder:",
"mainOutline","selectFirstMessageRow:");
Then with `mybindings, postbox` in keyboard setup I then have 'n'
being
next unread and then shift+N goes to next folder with a counter
(which
by default is unread but could be something else).
p and P does the same just 'previous' instead of next.
Thanks for that approximation.
I can't switch to MM until there's no "real single read key". Beeing
able to browse throught all unread messages with only one key is
indispensable for me.
Bad luck for me.
But may be Benny like the idea and will implement it some day.
Best
Andreas
/max
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On 10 Nov 2019, at 8:59, Andreas Borutta wrote:
Good morning.
I'm new to MailMate. In my previous mail client Thunderbird I like
the
function of a keyboard short which can be charaterized as "single
key
read".
By default it is the space bar.
In MM the space bar key will move you at the first through a mail
body
(when it does not fit into the pane) and when it reaches the end of
the body it moves you to the next message in the same mailbox. When
you reached the last mail in the mailbox, MM stops.
I would like to let the space bar key move you only through unread
messages.
And I like it to do not stop at the last mail of a mailbox, but move
you to the next unread message in the next mailbox.
That is my most used commands at all in Thunderbird. I love the ease
of tapping the space bar for reading.
Is that possible with MM please?
Thanks.
Andreas
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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
Hi Andreas, I have found that if I choose the general/universal inbox, I can then option-command down arrow to move to the next unread message. Yes, pressing it again will go to the next unread message rather than paging down, but I consider this an advantage. It lets me skip from a short or boring message directly to the next. I tried to find where this is documented but I didn't see it in MM help, the MM manual, in MM preferences, system preferences, or in the "defaults" settings. Since I don't know where this is set (or how I got it to work), it may not work for you. BTW, Thunderbird allows one to transfer an email to a local folder. MM does not. Thus just looking through the MM inbox gets to all unread messages available to MM. (I use both programs just so I can transfer emails to local folders. Other than that, I consider MM superior to Thunderbird.) HTH, Travis On 11/10/19 2:59 AM, Andreas Borutta wrote: > > Good morning. > > I'm new to MailMate. In my previous mail client Thunderbird I like the > function of a keyboard short which can be charaterized as "single key > read". > By default it is the space bar. > > In MM the space bar key will move you at the first through a mail body > (when it does not fit into the pane) and when it reaches the end of > the body it moves you to the next message in the same mailbox. When > you reached the last mail in the mailbox, MM stops. > > > I would like to let the space bar key move you only through unread > messages. > > And I like it to do not stop at the last mail of a mailbox, but move > you to the next unread message in the next mailbox. > > That is my most used commands at all in Thunderbird. I love the ease > of tapping the space bar for reading. > > Is that possible with MM please? > > Thanks. > > Andreas > -- > http://fahrradzukunft.de > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
On 10 Nov 2019, at 2:59, Andreas Borutta wrote:
> Good morning.
>
> I'm new to MailMate. In my previous mail client Thunderbird I like the
> function of a keyboard short which can be charaterized as "single key
> read".
> By default it is the space bar.
>
> In MM the space bar key will move you at the first through a mail body
> (when it does not fit into the pane) and when it reaches the end of
> the body it moves you to the next message in the same mailbox. When
> you reached the last mail in the mailbox, MM stops.
>
>
> I would like to let the space bar key move you only through unread
> messages.
>
> And I like it to do not stop at the last mail of a mailbox, but move
> you to the next unread message in the next mailbox.
>
> That is my most used commands at all in Thunderbird. I love the ease
> of tapping the space bar for reading.
>
> Is that possible with MM please?
Mostly.
In the General pane of the Preferences window, there's a "Custom Key Bindings"
section with a help button that opens the relevant section in the MM Help. That
gives all the detailsd, but as an example, I have the word "Mine" in that text
field and a file at ~/Library/Application\
Support/MailMate/Resources/KeyBindings/Mine.plist with this content:
{
" " = "scrollPageDownOrNextUnreadMessage:";
"q" = "nextUnreadThread:";
"l" = "replyList:";
}
The relevant entry is the first one. With that alone, you can spacebar through
all of the unread messages in one mailbox.
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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
Max Rydahl Andersen:
> I haven't found one, so my approximation is the following:
>
> "N" = ("selectNextCountedMailbox:", "makeFirstResponder:",
> "mainOutline","selectFirstMessageRow:");
> "P" = ("selectPreviousCountedMailbox:", "makeFirstResponder:",
> "mainOutline","selectFirstMessageRow:");
>
> Then with `mybindings, postbox` in keyboard setup I then have 'n' being
> next unread and then shift+N goes to next folder with a counter (which
> by default is unread but could be something else).
>
> p and P does the same just 'previous' instead of next.
Thanks for that approximation.
I can't switch to MM until there's no "real single read key". Beeing
able to browse throught all unread messages with only one key is
indispensable for me.
Bad luck for me.
But may be Benny like the idea and will implement it some day.
Best
Andreas
>
> /max
> https://xam.dk/about
>
> On 10 Nov 2019, at 8:59, Andreas Borutta wrote:
>
>> Good morning.
>>
>> I'm new to MailMate. In my previous mail client Thunderbird I like the
>> function of a keyboard short which can be charaterized as "single key
>> read".
>> By default it is the space bar.
>>
>> In MM the space bar key will move you at the first through a mail body
>> (when it does not fit into the pane) and when it reaches the end of
>> the body it moves you to the next message in the same mailbox. When
>> you reached the last mail in the mailbox, MM stops.
>>
>>
>> I would like to let the space bar key move you only through unread
>> messages.
>>
>> And I like it to do not stop at the last mail of a mailbox, but move
>> you to the next unread message in the next mailbox.
>>
>> That is my most used commands at all in Thunderbird. I love the ease
>> of tapping the space bar for reading.
>>
>> Is that possible with MM please?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Andreas
>> --
>> http://fahrradzukunft.de
>>
>> ___
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Re: [MlMt] Keyboard shortcut "Single Key Read"?
I haven't found one, so my approximation is the following:
"N" = ("selectNextCountedMailbox:", "makeFirstResponder:",
"mainOutline","selectFirstMessageRow:");
"P" = ("selectPreviousCountedMailbox:", "makeFirstResponder:",
"mainOutline","selectFirstMessageRow:");
Then with `mybindings, postbox` in keyboard setup I then have 'n' being
next unread and then shift+N goes to next folder with a counter (which
by default is unread but could be something else).
p and P does the same just 'previous' instead of next.
/max
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On 10 Nov 2019, at 8:59, Andreas Borutta wrote:
Good morning.
I'm new to MailMate. In my previous mail client Thunderbird I like the
function of a keyboard short which can be charaterized as "single key
read".
By default it is the space bar.
In MM the space bar key will move you at the first through a mail body
(when it does not fit into the pane) and when it reaches the end of
the body it moves you to the next message in the same mailbox. When
you reached the last mail in the mailbox, MM stops.
I would like to let the space bar key move you only through unread
messages.
And I like it to do not stop at the last mail of a mailbox, but move
you to the next unread message in the next mailbox.
That is my most used commands at all in Thunderbird. I love the ease
of tapping the space bar for reading.
Is that possible with MM please?
Thanks.
Andreas
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Good morning. I'm new to MailMate. In my previous mail client Thunderbird I like the function of a keyboard short which can be charaterized as "single key read". By default it is the space bar. In MM the space bar key will move you at the first through a mail body (when it does not fit into the pane) and when it reaches the end of the body it moves you to the next message in the same mailbox. When you reached the last mail in the mailbox, MM stops. I would like to let the space bar key move you only through unread messages. And I like it to do not stop at the last mail of a mailbox, but move you to the next unread message in the next mailbox. That is my most used commands at all in Thunderbird. I love the ease of tapping the space bar for reading. Is that possible with MM please? Thanks. Andreas -- http://fahrradzukunft.de ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
