Re: [mapserver-users] MapServer Installation on Mac

2017-06-14 Thread William Kyngesburye
Look in the archives on my site.

But, I'd be careful, I never updated the installation to handle changes in the 
way OS X does its webserver configuration, and it may damage the webserver 
config files.

I don't have any recommendations about other OS X mapserver installations.  
Maybe homebrew.  You'd have to figure out the webserver configuration.

> On Jun 14, 2017, at 1:16 PM, Samara Ebinger <samara.ebin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Just curious if there are any other Mac users out there who have successfully 
> installed MapServer recently or if anyone has any suggestions on how to 
> successfully install it?
> 
> I’m trying to install MapServer on my MacBook Pro (OS X El Capitan) but am 
> having some problems.
> I used the KyngChaos site (link from MapServer website) to download MapServer 
> 6.0.3-1. I installed the GDAL framework 2.1 which is available from that 
> site. However, when I try to install MapServer, I get a message saying that 
> GDAL 1.9 framework is needed which I can’t find anywhere.
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
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Re: [mapserver-users] [Mac OS X] Impossible to load MapScript module with PHP

2015-12-11 Thread William Kyngesburye
Mavericks, huh.  Well, you can find the system PHP API version in 
/usr/lib/php/extensions on your HD.

> On Dec 11, 2015, at 9:15 AM, Léonard DUMONT <dumont.leon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi and thanks for your answer !
> 
> I am using Mac OS X 10.9.5 (Mavericks), but I have no idea of how I could do 
> this API stuff...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Léonard.
> 
> 2015-12-11 16:09 GMT+01:00 William Kyngesburye <wokl...@kyngchaos.com>:
> Yeah, I haven't done anything with Mapserver or PHP in a long time.  If and 
> when I do, my plan is/will be to skip a custom PHP and build mapscript for 
> the system PHP.  Though that could get messy because different OS X versions 
> have different PHP API versions.
> 
> What OS X version do you have?  On my Yosemite Mac, the system PHP API 
> version is 20121212, so maybe you have El Capitan?  It's possible that the 
> system php (your API=20131226) is running in Apache, it's a bit tricky to get 
> Apache to use a custom PHP, and especially on El Capitan with it's SIP 
> security it might be harder.  You might have to do the whole AMP stack custom.
> 
> 
> > On Dec 11, 2015, at 8:15 AM, Léonard DUMONT <dumont.leon...@gmail.com> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your advices. The PHP binaries from kyngchaos.com are a little 
> > bit old, I'll try to see on the Homebrew list.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Léonard.
> >
> > 2015-12-11 14:28 GMT+01:00 Ben Madin <b...@ausvet.com.au>:
> > Did you look at kyngchaos.com
> >
> > Even if you only use his unix frameworks, then compile your own php, you 
> > will be most of the way there.
> >
> > otherwise, if you want to persist with home-brew, I’d put it onto their list
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 2015-12-11, at 20:38 , Léonard DUMONT <dumont.leon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Finally it was not so hard, but the problem is still the same... I have 
> >> PHP 5.6.16 and Mapscript 6.4.1 both installed with Homebrew, and I still 
> >> have the same error :
> >>
> >> Warning: PHP Startup: MapScript: Unable to initialize module
> >> Module compiled with module API=20100525
> >> PHPcompiled with module API=20131226
> >> These options need to match
> >>  in Unknown on line 0
> >>
> >> Any ideas ?
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Léonard Dumont
> >>
> >> 2015-12-11 13:03 GMT+01:00 Léonard DUMONT <dumont.leon...@gmail.com>:
> >> Ok, thanks for your answer. I thought there could have been another 
> >> solution, but I'll try to install PHP with homebrew.
> >>
> >> Cordialement,
> >>
> >> Léonard Dumont
> >>
> >> 2015-12-11 10:33 GMT+01:00 Ben Madin <b...@ausvet.com.au>:
> >> Um, you are correct, the extension has not been compiled to work with the 
> >> same version of php as you are trying to use.
> >>
> >> I can only suggest that you get your php from the same source as your 
> >> mapscript... (I guess homebrew, but my success there has been limited and 
> >> conflicted) or compile php yourself, them mapserver with the php-mapscript 
> >> option set.
> >>
> >> You may be up for some pain...! You could also try kyngchaos.com, but I'm 
> >> not sure if he is still providing a php suitable for what you want.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10 December 2015 at 17:28, Leonard <dumont.leon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi everyone !
> >>
> >> I am a new user trying to use mapserver, and I have some problems... One of
> >> them is that I cannot load the php_mapscript extension. I have PHP 5.6.11
> >> installed with  php-osx.liip.ch <http://php-osx.liip.ch>   and mapscript 
> >> 6.4
> >> installed with Homebrew, and there seems to be a conflict, since when I run
> >> php I get this warning :
> >>
> >> Warning: PHP Startup: MapScript: Unable to initialize module
> >> Module compiled with module API=20100525
> >> PHPcompiled with module API=20131226
> >> These options need to match
> >>
> >> I added this line to my php.ini file :
> >>
> >> extension="/usr/local/opt/mapserver-64/mapscript/php/php_mapscript.so"
> >>
> >> Thanks for your help !
> >>
> >> Léonard Dumont.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [mapserver-users] [Mac OS X] Impossible to load MapScript module with PHP

2015-12-11 Thread William Kyngesburye
So, that's pointing to a Mapserver compile problem.  When Homebrew compiled 
Mapserver/mapscript, it saw the system PHP.  I can understand that it might 
miss that liip.ch PHP, but not it's own compiled PHP.  Maybe after installing 
PHP with Homebrew, uninstall and reinstall Mapscript with Homebrew, so it has a 
chance to see its PHP.

The other option is to use the system PHP, unless you want or need the latest 
PHP.

> On Dec 11, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Léonard DUMONT <dumont.leon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks. In this directory, I have a file named 'no-debug-non-zts-20100525', 
> which corresponds to mapscript's API, but not to PHP's one (PHPcompiled 
> with module API=20131226)...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Léonard.
> 
> 2015-12-11 16:25 GMT+01:00 William Kyngesburye <wokl...@kyngchaos.com>:
> Mavericks, huh.  Well, you can find the system PHP API version in 
> /usr/lib/php/extensions on your HD.
> 
> > On Dec 11, 2015, at 9:15 AM, Léonard DUMONT <dumont.leon...@gmail.com> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi and thanks for your answer !
> >
> > I am using Mac OS X 10.9.5 (Mavericks), but I have no idea of how I could 
> > do this API stuff...
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Léonard.
> >
> > 2015-12-11 16:09 GMT+01:00 William Kyngesburye <wokl...@kyngchaos.com>:
> > Yeah, I haven't done anything with Mapserver or PHP in a long time.  If and 
> > when I do, my plan is/will be to skip a custom PHP and build mapscript for 
> > the system PHP.  Though that could get messy because different OS X 
> > versions have different PHP API versions.
> >
> > What OS X version do you have?  On my Yosemite Mac, the system PHP API 
> > version is 20121212, so maybe you have El Capitan?  It's possible that the 
> > system php (your API=20131226) is running in Apache, it's a bit tricky to 
> > get Apache to use a custom PHP, and especially on El Capitan with it's SIP 
> > security it might be harder.  You might have to do the whole AMP stack 
> > custom.
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 11, 2015, at 8:15 AM, Léonard DUMONT <dumont.leon...@gmail.com> 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for your advices. The PHP binaries from kyngchaos.com are a little 
> > > bit old, I'll try to see on the Homebrew list.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Léonard.
> > >
> > > 2015-12-11 14:28 GMT+01:00 Ben Madin <b...@ausvet.com.au>:
> > > Did you look at kyngchaos.com
> > >
> > > Even if you only use his unix frameworks, then compile your own php, you 
> > > will be most of the way there.
> > >
> > > otherwise, if you want to persist with home-brew, I’d put it onto their 
> > > list
> > >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 2015-12-11, at 20:38 , Léonard DUMONT <dumont.leon...@gmail.com> 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Finally it was not so hard, but the problem is still the same... I have 
> > >> PHP 5.6.16 and Mapscript 6.4.1 both installed with Homebrew, and I still 
> > >> have the same error :
> > >>
> > >> Warning: PHP Startup: MapScript: Unable to initialize module
> > >> Module compiled with module API=20100525
> > >> PHPcompiled with module API=20131226
> > >> These options need to match
> > >>  in Unknown on line 0
> > >>
> > >> Any ideas ?
> > >>
> > >> Best regards,
> > >>
> > >> Léonard Dumont
> > >>
> > >> 2015-12-11 13:03 GMT+01:00 Léonard DUMONT <dumont.leon...@gmail.com>:
> > >> Ok, thanks for your answer. I thought there could have been another 
> > >> solution, but I'll try to install PHP with homebrew.
> > >>
> > >> Cordialement,
> > >>
> > >> Léonard Dumont
> > >>
> > >> 2015-12-11 10:33 GMT+01:00 Ben Madin <b...@ausvet.com.au>:
> > >> Um, you are correct, the extension has not been compiled to work with 
> > >> the same version of php as you are trying to use.
> > >>
> > >> I can only suggest that you get your php from the same source as your 
> > >> mapscript... (I guess homebrew, but my success there has been limited 
> > >> and conflicted) or compile php yourself, them mapserver with the 
> > >> php-mapscript option set.
> > >>
> > >> You may be up for some pain...! You could also try kyngchaos.com, but 
> &

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Re: [mapserver-users] PHP-Mapscript and PHP Apache DSO - any progress?

2012-11-20 Thread William Kyngesburye
Google to the rescue.  So it's a build option for Apache 2.2.  It looks like 
Apache in OS X (10.6+) uses prefork.  So I guess we're good to go on this.

On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:41 PM, William Kyngesburye wrote:

 What's this pre-fork MPM?
 
 On Nov 20, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Daniel Morissette wrote:
 
 William,
 
 As Armin wrote, it seems that using PHP as an Apache DSO with the pre-fork 
 MPM would be the way to go. I don't remember seeing reports of issues with 
 that combination in quite a while (I mean several years, so much that we had 
 forgotten about those issues from the old days).
 
 Daniel
 
 
 On 12-11-20 1:37 PM, Armin Burger wrote:
 William
 
 I cannot say anything for Mac OS in this respect. But at least for Linux
 running Apache in the classical pre-fork MPM I did not experience
 problems with PHP-MapScript running as an Apache DSO. Also some stress
 tests with benchmarking using multiple WMS requests with on MapScript
 OWS as server backend did not cause problems.
 
 I sometimes noticed some irregular, strange, and difficult to reproduce
 problems with MS 6.0 and PHP Mapscript (Apache or CGI segfaults), but
 that was independent of PHP with Apache DSO or as CGI, and this never
 ever happened with MS 5.x.
 
 armin
 
 
 
 On 15/11/2012 04:52, William Kyngesburye wrote:
 It's my understanding that when running PHP-Mapscript with PHP as an
 Apache DSO, under heavy loads it can randomly hiccup/trip/crash or
 otherwise not perform correctly.  So I've been maintaining an OS X
 PHP-CGI package to go along with my MapServer package.
 
 Is this still a problem?  Maybe I missed a fix for this?  Or is it
 being worked on (or not being worked on)?  Or is it an unsolvable
 problem (maybe due to the nature of a DSO)?
 
 I'm thinking about simplifying my OS X GIS/carto stack and dropping my
 PHP-CGI package in favor of the OS X system PHP-DSO (a bit old) or
 some other better-maintained PHP package for OS X (which will likely
 be a DSO).
 
 
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Re: [mapserver-users] php_mapscript not being loaded

2012-07-10 Thread William Kyngesburye
On Jul 10, 2012, at 12:13 AM, Stefan Schwarzer wrote:

 Thanks for those hints. But unfortunately, nothing. I checked the Apache 
 error log before, and there is nothing there. At least nothing I think is 
 important. I guess the MaxClients thing is not causing my mapsever to not 
 appear, no?
 
 [Tue Jul 10 07:09:58 2012] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down
 [Tue Jul 10 07:09:59 2012] [warn] Init: Session Cache is not configured 
 [hint: SSLSessionCache]
 WARNING: MaxClients of 150 exceeds ServerLimit value of 133 servers,
 lowering MaxClients to 133.  To increase, please see the ServerLimit
 directive.
 [Tue Jul 10 07:10:01 2012] [warn] mod_bonjour: Skipping user 'xxx' - no valid 
 index file.
 [Tue Jul 10 07:10:01 2012] [notice] Digest: generating secret for digest 
 authentication ...
 [Tue Jul 10 07:10:01 2012] [notice] Digest: done
 [Tue Jul 10 07:10:01 2012] [notice] Apache/2.2.21 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.21 
 OpenSSL/0.9.8r DAV/2 configured -- resuming normal operations
 
 
 And the php -i it spitting out a long list, but no errors.
 
 I have actually all PHP, GD, …, Mapserver from Kyngchaos. So, one single 
 source. But strange enough, every computer seems different, and I ran into a 
 couple of challenges.
 
I wonder if Apache is still using the system PHP?  The PHP version at the top 
of phpinfo() should match what you installed (OS X 10.7 system PHP is 5.3.10, 
on 10.6 is 5.3.8).

Also, if the Apache log doesn't have anything, look at Console.app to see if 
there are any system errors (maybe it can't load a needed library).

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Re: [mapserver-users] php_mapscript not being loaded

2012-07-10 Thread William Kyngesburye
On Jul 10, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Stefan Schwarzer wrote:

 And the php -i it spitting out a long list, but no errors.
 
 I have actually all PHP, GD, …, Mapserver from Kyngchaos. So, one single 
 source. But strange enough, every computer seems different, and I ran into 
 a couple of challenges.
 
 I wonder if Apache is still using the system PHP?  The PHP version at the 
 top of phpinfo() should match what you installed (OS X 10.7 system PHP is 
 5.3.10, on 10.6 is 5.3.8).
 
 Also, if the Apache log doesn't have anything, look at Console.app to see if 
 there are any system errors (maybe it can't load a needed library).
 
 Ha, good one. Thanks a lot! Indeed, the phpinfo shows 5.3.8, the php -i shows 
 5.3.10. I am on OS X 10.7, however. 
 
 What does that mean? I have a mixture of 10.6 and 10.7 on my machine? I have 
 my Snow Leopard still installed on a spearate drive in the machine; does 
 Apache load the php from there?

My PHP installer is supposed to switch the PHP, but sometimes it doesn't.  
Possibly because the apache config file was altered in a way to break my grep.  
System updates are not supposed to change the apache config, but it's a 
possibility.

You can try running the script manually from the PHP disk image:

  sudo /Volumes/PHP\ 5/phpenable.sh cgi5

then

  sudo apachectl graceful


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Re: [mapserver-users] php_mapscript not being loaded

2012-07-06 Thread William Kyngesburye
Even more important is that dl() is not even available as of PHP 5.3 in PHP CGI 
and PHP Apache.  You MUST load an extension from php.ini now.

On Jul 6, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Eichner, Andreas - SID-NLKM wrote:

 
 Hi,
 
 dl('php_mapscript.so'); .
 Which difference about load library in the page and call the 
 library load by apache?
 
 there's basically no difference except that on some sites this PHP
 extension is not enabled so a script needs to load it explicitly at
 runtime via dl(). If your site uses it seldomly other scripts might run
 faster since the interpreter doesn't need to initialize this extension
 but I don't know that exactly. Regarding functionality it makes
 absolutely no difference.
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Re: [mapserver-users] php_mapscript not being loaded

2012-07-05 Thread William Kyngesburye
On Jul 5, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Stefan Schwarzer wrote:

 Hi there,
 
 I thought I would have finally got over with all the errors while installing 
 everything anew (php, apache, postgres, mapserver).

apache?  You're not using the system apache?  If it's a major version change 
from the system apache, the APIs that php uses may have changed.

 But hadn't tested mapserver yet… Did all the installation with the latest 
 Kyngchaos libraries.
 
 Running  http://localhost/testphp.php;; but don't see any mapserver or 
 mapscript. Nothing in there.
 
 There is a php_mapscript.so in 
 /usr/local/php5cgi/lib/php/extensions/no-debug-non-zts-20090626. I added 
 extension = php_mapscript.so to php.ini, as well as extension_dir = 
 /usr/local/php5cgi/lib/php/extensions.

No need to set extension_dir, it defaults to the correct dir, which is not as 
you set it but includes the no-debug... subdir.

 Restarted the server, sudo /usr/sbin/apachectl restart.

graceful is all that's needed: sudo apachectl graceful, but it probably doesn't 
matter.

 But still no Mapscript in testphp.php… Did it really restart and load php.ini 
 now?. Any way to check that? It should work that way, no?
 
 Thanks for any help!
 
 
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Re: [mapserver-users] Installing PHP MapScript with MapServer 6.0.0-3 and PHP 5.3.6 on Mac OS X 10.6.8

2011-07-04 Thread William Kyngesburye
PHP 5.3 doesn't allow extension loading from scripts now without compiling 
support for it into PHP and enabling it in php.ini.  Unfortunately, I could not 
get that to work for my PHP package, so you must load extensions from php.ini 
with:

extension=php_mapscript.so

I need to add a note about this to my MapServer package, or make the installer 
do it.

On Jul 4, 2011, at 9:18 AM, Léo D. wrote:

 Hi there, I've installed MapServer 6.0.0-3 (thanks to the installer from 
 http://www.kyngchaos.com) on my local computer, which I'm guessing is working 
 since that when I'm going to http://localhost/cgi-bin/mapserv? with my 
 browser I can see this error : No query information to decode. QUERY_STRING 
 is set, but empty. which means MapServer is working, right ? I'd like to use 
 MapServer through the PHP MapScript. My installation seems ok for my 
 phpinfo() displays a MapScript section. But when I'm running php -m command 
 in my shell, there is no mention of MapScript in the list of modules, I'm 
 guessing something is going wrong here but I've failed to find out what it 
 could be. The Apache version on my mac is 2.2.17 and I'm running PHP 5.3.6. 
 I've tried to make this example work (I've of course changed the pathes in 
 the MapFile so that they match to my local files), but despite my efforts it 
 doesn't. And the script is not returning any error message, just an empty 
 page. Any idea to help me solve that ? Thanks for your help ! Léo D. 
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[mapserver-users] font support problem

2011-06-01 Thread William Kyngesburye
Something has killed my font support in MapServer in the compilation stage.

I'm getting a Keyword FONT is not valid without TrueType font support error 
at runtime.  It looks like font support is conditionalized on USE_GD_TTF or 
USE_GD_FT, but I can't figure out where this is set in configuration.  I don't 
see those in the GD sources either.

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Re: [mapserver-users] font support problem

2011-06-01 Thread William Kyngesburye
It would help if I turned off the find words option ;)  There it is in 
configure, I just need to figure out why it was disabled.

On Jun 1, 2011, at 8:40 AM, William Kyngesburye wrote:

 Something has killed my font support in MapServer in the compilation stage.
 
 I'm getting a Keyword FONT is not valid without TrueType font support error 
 at runtime.  It looks like font support is conditionalized on USE_GD_TTF or 
 USE_GD_FT, but I can't figure out where this is set in configuration.  I 
 don't see those in the GD sources either.
 
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Re: [mapserver-users] font support problem

2011-06-01 Thread William Kyngesburye
Freetype is not the problem.  I already figured it out - my gd font support 
needs -liconv and configure is not adding it to the gd test.  It looks like the 
mapserver configure doesn't get the libs from the gdlib-config script but makes 
a common guess.

I thought I had this working in the past, but it's possible I only recently 
added iconv support to my gd. I forget.

On Jun 1, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Stephen Woodbridge wrote:

 ./configure can not find your truetype font includes and/or libs. You need to 
 make sure you have the truetype package installed on Linux this is called 
 something like freetype2. On my debian system:
 
 ls /usr/include/freetype2/freetype/
 configftcid.h ftimage.h   ftmodapi.h  ftsnames.h  ftxf86.h
 freetype.hfterrdef.h  ftincrem.h  ftmoderr.h  ftstroke.h  t1tables.h
 ftbbox.h  fterrors.h  ftlcdfil.h  ftotval.h   ftsynth.h   ttnameid.h
 ftbdf.h   ftgasp.hftlist.hftoutln.h   ftsystem.h  tttables.h
 ftbitmap.hftglyph.h   ftlzw.h ftpfr.h fttrigon.h  tttags.h
 ftcache.h ftgxval.h   ftmac.h ftrender.h  fttypes.h   ttunpat.h
 ftchapters.h  ftgzip.hftmm.h  ftsizes.h   ftwinfnt.h
 
 
 ls /usr/lib/libfreetype.*
 /usr/lib/libfreetype.a   /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6
 /usr/lib/libfreetype.la  /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6.3.18
 /usr/lib/libfreetype.so
 
 
 -Steve W
 
 On 6/1/2011 9:44 AM, William Kyngesburye wrote:
 It would help if I turned off the find words option ;)  There it is in 
 configure, I just need to figure out why it was disabled.
 
 On Jun 1, 2011, at 8:40 AM, William Kyngesburye wrote:
 
 Something has killed my font support in MapServer in the compilation stage.
 
 I'm getting a Keyword FONT is not valid without TrueType font support 
 error at runtime.  It looks like font support is conditionalized on 
 USE_GD_TTF or USE_GD_FT, but I can't figure out where this is set in 
 configuration.  I don't see those in the GD sources either.
 
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Re: [mapserver-users] font support problem

2011-06-01 Thread William Kyngesburye
Freetype is found.  Iconv is found.  GD is found.  gdImageStringFT test fails 
because it doesn't try with iconv.

I do see a test for if GD needs iconv in configure, but for some reason it's 
not getting to this test for me...  I'll look into it more later this evening 
when I have time.

On Jun 1, 2011, at 10:24 AM, Stephen Woodbridge wrote:

 When you get a chance please write a bug against this issue. It seems that 
 there are a few things that need to be fixed:
 
 1. error message is wrong and misleading
 2. configure is not finding the libraries
 3. configure is not detecting a missing library (iconv) and disabling 
 freetype if the missing lib is required.
 4. freetype without iconv should be ok unless this is a new requirement
 5. doc needs to be updated as required
 
 Also I would think the a missing -liconv should cause a fatal link error in 
 make.
 
 Thanks,
  -Steve
 
 On 6/1/2011 10:11 AM, William Kyngesburye wrote:
 Freetype is not the problem.  I already figured it out - my gd font
 support needs -liconv and configure is not adding it to the gd test.
 It looks like the mapserver configure doesn't get the libs from the
 gdlib-config script but makes a common guess.
 
 I thought I had this working in the past, but it's possible I only
 recently added iconv support to my gd. I forget.
 
 On Jun 1, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Stephen Woodbridge wrote:
 
 ./configure can not find your truetype font includes and/or libs.
 You need to make sure you have the truetype package installed on
 Linux this is called something like freetype2. On my debian
 system:
 
 ls /usr/include/freetype2/freetype/ configftcid.h
 ftimage.h   ftmodapi.h  ftsnames.h  ftxf86.h freetype.h
 fterrdef.h  ftincrem.h  ftmoderr.h  ftstroke.h  t1tables.h ftbbox.h
 fterrors.h  ftlcdfil.h  ftotval.h   ftsynth.h   ttnameid.h ftbdf.h
 ftgasp.hftlist.hftoutln.h   ftsystem.h  tttables.h
 ftbitmap.hftglyph.h   ftlzw.h ftpfr.h fttrigon.h
 tttags.h ftcache.h ftgxval.h   ftmac.h ftrender.h
 fttypes.h   ttunpat.h ftchapters.h  ftgzip.hftmm.h
 ftsizes.h   ftwinfnt.h
 
 
 ls /usr/lib/libfreetype.* /usr/lib/libfreetype.a
 /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 /usr/lib/libfreetype.la
 /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6.3.18 /usr/lib/libfreetype.so
 
 
 -Steve W
 
 On 6/1/2011 9:44 AM, William Kyngesburye wrote:
 It would help if I turned off the find words option ;)  There it
 is in configure, I just need to figure out why it was disabled.
 
 On Jun 1, 2011, at 8:40 AM, William Kyngesburye wrote:
 
 Something has killed my font support in MapServer in the
 compilation stage.
 
 I'm getting a Keyword FONT is not valid without TrueType font
 support error at runtime.  It looks like font support is
 conditionalized on USE_GD_TTF or USE_GD_FT, but I can't figure
 out where this is set in configuration.  I don't see those in
 the GD sources either.
 
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Re: [mapserver-users] MapServer 6.0.0-rc1 release

2011-04-28 Thread William Kyngesburye
In packaging my Mac build, I noticed that the readme license section has 
1996-2007 for the copyright dates.  Should this be updated?

On Apr 27, 2011, at 9:56 PM, Daniel Morissette wrote:

 The MapServer Team is pleased to announce the release of MapServer 6.0.0-rc1 
 (release candidate 1).
 
 The 6.0 release introduces important changes in key components of the 
 MapServer core (rendering, query and expressions), and for this reason we 
 count on you, MapServer power users, to help test the release in your 
 respective environments and provide feedback (through the users list or Trac 
 tickets).
 
 If all goes well and no blocker issues are reported, then this release 
 candidate could lead us to a final 6.0.0 release next week. The full release 
 plan which also includes the list of new features and changes in this release 
 is available at:
  http://mapserver.org/trunk/development/release/release-plan-6.0.html
 
 The list of fixes since the last beta is attached at the end of this message. 
 For a complete list see the HISTORY.TXT file at:
 
 http://trac.osgeo.org/mapserver/browser/tags/rel-6-0-0-rc1/mapserver/HISTORY.TXT
 
 We have started working on a 5.6 - 6.0 migration guide. This document 
 contains important notes on backwards incompatibilities or other changes 
 required when upgrading to 6.0. The latest version is available online at:
 
http://mapserver.org/trunk/MIGRATION_GUIDE.html
 
 The source for this release can be downloaded at:
 
http://mapserver.org/download.html
 or
http://download.osgeo.org/mapserver/mapserver-6.0.0-rc1.tar.gz
 
 The binary distributions listed in the download page should be updated with 
 binaries for the new beta release in the next day or so.
 
 Once again we need your help to ensure a high quality product, so please help 
 out by testing your applications with this new code base.
 
 Thanks! - The MapServer Team
 
 
 
 Version 6.0.0-rc1 (2011-04-27)
 --
 
 - Fix for the styleitem handling with union layer (#3674)
 
 - Fixed mindistance label test to check layer indexes. (#3851)
 
 - Fixed segmentation fault in PHP/MapScript and improved the php object
  method calls (#3730)
 
 - Fix build issue related to unnecessary use of gdal-config --dep-libs (#3316)
 
 
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[mapserver-users] thread safety and php and fastcgi

2010-09-02 Thread William Kyngesburye
Bringing back this question from a different angle...

So, we know that PHP MapScript has some thread safety issues when used with PHP 
as a DSO module.  In my limited understanding of how it works, a DSO module is 
loaded into memory when Apache starts, ready to accept multiple different 
requests, and this permanent state is where the thread safety issues come from.

So, what about mapserv fastcgi?  Isn't this also loaded once, and processes 
multiple requests?

What about PHP as a fastcgi?  If it's the mapserver-PHP code that has the 
thread safety problem, would PHP as a fastcgi have similar problems as PHP-DSO?

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Re: [mapserver-users] thread safety and php and fastcgi

2010-09-02 Thread William Kyngesburye
On Sep 2, 2010, at 9:03 AM, Frank Warmerdam wrote:

 In the case of FastCGI the fastcgi mapserver process is only given one
 cgi request at a time to handle.  It won't be given another until the
 previous one is complete.  Apache can start multiple separate FastCGI
 MapServer instances in order to handle multiple requests at once but
 they each have their own process.  So, FastCGI does not have
 multi-threading issues.  It does occationally run into issues with
 memory leaks or left over state from a previous cgi request.
 
Thanks.

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Don't you even hate 'em?

What good would it do if I did? If all the many millions of people of the 
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[mapserver-users] PHP-MapScript with PHP 5.3 fastcgi warning

2010-09-02 Thread William Kyngesburye
So, I'm *finally* getting around to updating my OS X PHP package to 5.3 and 
found an important change that affects MapServer mapscripts (and I didn't see 
it mentioned in the MapScript docs).  I'm others have run into this already and 
figured it out (sorry if this is old news), but documentation is good.

dl() is disabled in all but CGI, CLI and embed builds of PHP.  That means PHP 
will throw an error, not a warning, when you try to dl(php_mapscript.so).  
You *must* load extensions from the php.ini when using PHP as DSO (those that 
don't have a choice), or as fastcgi, or any of the obscure PHP SAPIs.

I guess the best way to handle this is to test if php_mapscript is already 
loaded before trying.  And checking for the existence of the dl() function just 
in case, if it isn't loaded.


This stumped me for a while because my *fastcgi* PHP build didn't work.  Then I 
realized that they really mean CGI, and not also fastcgi.

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Re: [mapserver-users] access problems from cgi-bin on Mac OS X 10.4.11 / MAMP

2009-07-10 Thread William Kyngesburye

On Jul 10, 2009, at 11:28 AM, rmaurer wrote:

So I'm a first time MapServer user and have been trying to navigate  
the installation process. I think I almost have it, but I am having  
some last problems.


Just a check: are you using my installer, or compiling from source?   
What OSX version?


If you are using my installer, and are on OSX 10.4, Mapserver is built  
for Apache 1.3, as found in the system, and it probably won't work  
correctly, if at all with an added-on Apache 2.


If you are on OSX 10.5, why not just use the system Apache 2?

When I access my executable mapserv file from the command line, I  
get this:


This script can only be used to decode form results and should be  
initiated as a CGI process via a httpd server.


All sounds good, right? Well, I am using MAMP to host an Apache2.0  
server. The httpd.conf file has the following in it:

Alias /cgi-bin/ [rootfile]/cgi-bin/

Directory [rootfile]/cgi-bin/\
AllowOverride None
Options ExecCGI FollowSymLinks Indexes
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
/Directory\

Are the starting '' really missing, or did Mail strip them out?  I  
also see closing quotes missing and extra \ chars.  Should be:


Directory [rootfile]/cgi-bin/
AllowOverride None
Options ExecCGI FollowSymLinks Indexes
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
/Directory


AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .py

I know that first line should probably be ScriptAlias, but I kept  
getting a Permission Denied message and read in a forum that this  
was a solution somebody had come up with, and indeed it worked for  
me as well.


Anyways, the problem is that in this cgi-bin I have my mapserv  
executable (though one of the things I'm thinking is that maybe I  
need to add something else to AddHandler to make it think that this  
file is executable?).


That addhandler is to run scripts as CGI.  Mapserv is a binary, so all  
it should need is ExecCGI.



But when I got to //localhost/cgi-bin/mapserv it tries to download  
the file as Untyped Binary Data and it doesn't execute anthing.


I'm not sure, but you may need to load the mod_cgi module in your  
httpd.conf.  Though it may only apply to script CGIs also.


In case its of any help the ls -l for my cgi-bin gives the following  
information: -rwxr-xr-x 1 Rebecca Rebecca 51244 Jul 9 07:52 mapserv


Do I not have this installed correctly? Or is my server just not  
realizing that this is executable. I would be thrilled if I could  
just get to the point where //localhost/cgi-bin/mapserv just brought  
up a No query information to decode message, since I think I can  
handle it from there.



And, make sure to restart Apache after changing httpd.conf ;)

Oh, and make sure that the system Apache is not running (System  
Preferences-Sharing-Web Sharing), as it will be using the same port  
and your MAMP Apache won't even start.


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[mapserver-users] how can I make labels not cover symbols?

2009-04-22 Thread William Kyngesburye
Currently I have a point layer (cities), with a separate label layer  
for the same points.  The labels often cover other point markers in  
the same, and other, layers, though they never cover the point they  
are labelling (of course).


I was using pixmap symbols for the markers.  I thought maybe if I use  
truetype markers, they would participate or influence the label cache,  
but that doesn't appear to be the case.


Another thought was to draw truetype markers as an annotation layer,  
but this means adding a column in the table with the marker character,  
and would make it less flexible to change markers.


Yet another idea was to use an annotation layer, but be able to  
specify static text for the LABEL.  I don't see this option either.


If I didn't miss something, and it is indeed impossible without the  
extra marker char column for an annotation layer, would such a feature  
be possible (either adding symbols to the label cache and/or static  
label text)?


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Re: [mapserver-users] how can I make labels not cover symbols?

2009-04-22 Thread William Kyngesburye

On Apr 22, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Thomas Bonfort wrote:

Yet another idea was to use an annotation layer, but be able to  
specify

static text for the LABEL.  I don't see this option either.



you can do that with the TEXT keyword at the CLASS level.

CLASS
 TEXT ''
 LABEL
   FONT symbolfont
   ...
 END
END


Ah, I did miss something ;)

I just had to adjust priorities so that the symbol layers always draw  
first (and forced), and now the labels don't cover symbols.



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Re: [mapserver-users] MapServer 5.4 Release Candidate 1 Now Available

2009-04-09 Thread William Kyngesburye
The link on the download page is messed up.  I had to go to  
download.osgeo.org/mapserver to download.


On Apr 8, 2009, at 7:55 PM, Steve Lime wrote:

Greetings all: MapServer 5.4 Release Candidate 1 is now available  
for download at http://mapserver.org/download.html. Only a couple of  
trivial changes were made since the beta 4 release. As always any  
help in testing the software is greatly appreciated. Findings should  
be sent to the mapserver-dev (or even just mapserver-users) mailing  
list.


The updated 5.4 release plan can be found at:

 http://trac.osgeo.org/mapserver/wiki/54ReleasePlan

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Re: [mapserver-users] MapServer 5.2.2 and 4.10.4 released with security fixes

2009-03-26 Thread William Kyngesburye

I have my OSX Mapserver 5.2.2 binaries online.

I noticed that the mapserver site hasn't been updated yet.  Then I  
noticed that the HTML title for the whole site (mapserver.org pages)  
is MapServer 5.2.1 Documentation.  Odd (the 'documentation' part,  
not the version).


Also, your downloads page link below should be:

http://mapserver.org/download.html

On Mar 26, 2009, at 9:40 PM, Steve Lime wrote:

MapServer 5.2.2 and 4.10.4 have been released. (Version 5.4 will  
contain all of these
fixes at the start and a beta 4 release will be available in a day  
or so.)





The source packages are available in the MapServer downloads page:

 http://mapserver.org/download/



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[mapserver-users] trying new label positioning - no change

2009-02-17 Thread William Kyngesburye
I'm trying the new label positioning improvements for polygons in  
trunk from


http://trac.osgeo.org/mapserver/ticket/606

but AUTO seems to be ignoring the initial CC in the new ordering -  
with no collisions with other labels, all polygons are labelled at the  
UL corner of the polygon center.


Are there special conditions for AUTO/CC to work?  A typical label I'm  
trying is:


LABEL
  COLOR 0 100 222
  SHADOWCOLOR 218 218 218
  SHADOWSIZE 1 1
  OUTLINECOLOR 255 255 255
  TYPE TRUETYPE
  FONT helvetica-italic
  SIZE 9
  POSITION AUTO
  WRAP '|'
  PRIORITY 5
  MINFEATURESIZE 16
END

AUTO:

inline: Picture-1.png



POSITION CC does work to label polys at CC:

inline: Picture-2.png



PS. the new gravity positioning is nice!


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Re: [mapserver-users] trying new label positioning - no change

2009-02-17 Thread William Kyngesburye

On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:02 PM, Steve Lime wrote:

William: In my testing a polygon layer is definitely starting at  
position CC.  Any chance
you're using an annotation layer here? I have found an issue if  
that's the case. The decision
to using one set of positions vs another is made based on the layer  
type NOT the geometry
type. So annotation layers are treated as point layers regardless of  
the source geometry. As
the code sits now that information is lost. Wasn't an issue  
previously since we didn't vary

things. I'll file a bug on this issue.

Let me know if this isn't the case for you.


O.  I've always used annotation layers for feature annotation.   
But, if it always treats annotation layers as point layers, why does  
ANGLE FOLLOW work on annotation layers of line features, or gravity  
positioning on annotation of poly features?  Or does that trigger  
stepping out of the assumed-point default somehow?


I did notice when poking around in the source that the labelling  
routines didn't know about the geometry of individual features.  In my  
own early (v4.4) attempts at reordering the positions for polys  
(before the recent changes) I added a parameter to the addlabel()  
functions to pass the shapetype.


One work around is to ditch annotation layers for polygons. They  
really aren't necessary with

the addition of the label priority support in 5.0.



I'm not sure what you mean here - how does label priority invalidate  
annotation layers?


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Re: [mapserver-users] trying new label positioning - no change

2009-02-17 Thread William Kyngesburye

On Feb 18, 2009, at 12:15 AM, Steve Lime wrote:


I did notice when poking around in the source that the labelling
routines didn't know about the geometry of individual features.  In  
my

own early (v4.4) attempts at reordering the positions for polys
(before the recent changes) I added a parameter to the addlabel()
functions to pass the shapetype.


I think I'd just pass a shapeObj pointer to the msAddLabel() and  
harvest

what is necessary: type and a few indexes.


If you think this is something that can be done, it would be nice have  
geometry and annotation layers both use the same positioning rules  
based on the geometry type (see comments below).



I'm not sure what you mean here - how does label priority invalidate
annotation layers?


The principle reason to use annotation layers was to control the  
order in
which labels are stuffed into the cache. They were especially useful  
with
polygons since you typically draw those first but if you want to  
emphasize
labels then you'd have to use annotation to make the labels show  
before

other stuff.

Label priorities fix that. You can give a polygon layer high  
priority labels
without having to resort to annotation layers later in the mapfile.  
The benefits

(besides working around this bug) are two-fold:

 1) performance, you only have to process the polygon features once...
 2) brevity, shorter, more concise layer definitions are good...

Certainly annotation layers are still useful but principally for  
things like

copyright notices or road shields.

Steve



Hmm, but mixing the annotations with their geometry in a single layer  
means you can't turn geometry and annotations on and off separately -  
I often want to show just the feature geometry, yet be able to turn on  
their annotations if I need it.


Also, what about the drawing order?  Won't other feature layers then  
draw on top of earlier feature layers and annotations of those  
layers?  Or does the label cache force ALL annotations to draw last,  
no matter what layer they're on?


I guess I need a visual diagram of the [now many] various possible  
combinations of layer types, annotations, priorities and layer  
ordering to make sense of this.


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Re: [mapserver-users] Mapserver and GDB files [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-23 Thread William Kyngesburye

On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:51 AM, Roppola, Antti - BRS wrote:

ESRI will provide full and open access to the geodatabase using the  
following methods:
	• A free and open API to the file geodatabase. * The file  
geodatabase was introduced at ArcGIS 9.2. While ESRI would ideally  
like to open the file geodatabase format in a manner similar to what  
we did for shapefiles when we released ArcView 2, geodatabases are  
complex and can be easily corrupted outside the ArcGIS  
environment.   Instead, we plan to engineer a high performing and  
well documented API that developers can freely embed in custom  
applications and that will read and write file geodatabase datasets.  
This will be released after ArcGIS 9.3.
	• Geodatabase GML. ESRI will release a full geodatabase GML schema  
with ArcGIS 9.3. This profile will be based on the OGC  
specifications and built on the simple feature GML specification  
adopted by OGC this past year.




I'd kind of hope that this is just a bunch of c libraries that we  
can compile on anything we want,

but ultimately we'll just have to wait and see...



I highly doubt that.  ESRI publishes binary software, not source.  In  
the same FAQ, the question about open source participation even says:



Traditionally, ESRI has been an open systems, closed source software  
vendor. ... ESRI continues to maintain an open system strategy.



And, unfortunately, the Geodatabase FAQ basically says outright that  
ESRI isn't going to publish the specs of the geodatabase format.   
We're at their mercy.  Maybe we'll see binaries for the commercialized  
linux systems ESRI supports.


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Re: [mapserver-users] OSX binaries update

2008-09-23 Thread William Kyngesburye

On Sep 23, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Dane Springmeyer wrote:


Hi William,

I just installed you new mapserver 5.2.0-2.dmg to test out python  
mapscript.


I get an inconv error which is odd. Any ideas?

springmeyer:~ spring$ python
Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Jan 17 2008, 19:35:17)
[GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5465)] on darwin
Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information.
 import mapscript
Traceback (most recent call last):
 File stdin, line 1, in module
 File /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/mapscript.py, line 7, in  
module

   import _mapscript
ImportError: dlopen(/Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/_mapscript.so,  
2): Symbol not found: _iconv
 Referenced from: /Library/Frameworks/GDAL.framework/Versions/1.5/ 
Libraries/libpq.dylib

 Expected in: /usr/local/lib/libiconv.2.dylib



Err, umm, oh.  Completely misleading - what I find in my binaries is  
that GDAL links /usr/local/pgsql/lib/libpq.dylib (which links /usr/lib/ 
libiconv).  I don't know how I keep missing this in my post-processing  
for GDAL, or why nobody reported a problem since I released that build  
in June.  And it's just the Leopard build (maybe [mostly] everyone  
using Leopard installs my Postgres?).


I'll post an update soon.  Hold off installing Postgres, if you were  
thinking about it, so I can make sure that's really the problem.


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Re: [mapserver-users] OSX binaries update

2008-09-23 Thread William Kyngesburye

New GDAL online now.

On Sep 23, 2008, at 6:59 PM, William Kyngesburye wrote:

I'll post an update soon.  Hold off installing Postgres, if you were  
thinking about it, so I can make sure that's really the problem.



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Re: [mapserver-users] Mapserver and GDB files

2008-09-22 Thread William Kyngesburye

On Sep 22, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Frank Warmerdam wrote:


Fawcett, David wrote:

.gdb files are ESRI's new File Geodatabase proprietary format.  I am
quite sure that OGR/FWTools does not support it.


David,

Ah thanks.  Indeed they are not supported and it is hard to imagine  
they
will be supported for a while.  ESRI has indicated in the past that  
they
intend to provide an open mechanism to access the file geodatabase  
and that
is still likely to happen at some point.  However, I think this  
would be

quite a few months away at best.


Hmmm, and if ESRI provides it, then, like SDE, it probably won't be  
available for OSX (or other linux platforms?).  Bleh.


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[mapserver-users] OSX binaries update

2008-09-19 Thread William Kyngesburye
I finally figured out a longstanding problem with my OSX binaries -  
python mapscript wasn't working.


The problem comes from FastCGI support for the mapserv CGI.  When  
python tries to import mapscript, you get an error about libfcgi not  
finding the _environ symbol (from apache?).  Since I build MapServer  
with a dynamic library (framework) I can't use a separate library for  
mapserv and mapscript.


I tried moving cgi stuff from the library into mapserv, but I think  
CGI functions are needed elsewhere also, or I just didn't go far  
enough, and I couldn't get it to work.


So, given this, and the recent discussion saying that fastcgi only  
provides a tiny performance gain, I removed fastcgi from my OSX  
binaries. (fastcgi is also a lot more complex to setup on OSX compared  
to standard CGI and the various mapscripts.)


And python mapscript now works on OSX!

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Re: [mapserver-users] WMS loadparams weird behavior on Ubuntu

2008-09-15 Thread William Kyngesburye

Answering my own question, here's what I found:

At first I had installed the php5 apache module, then quickly  
remembered CGI would be better and installed that.  I thought I had  
uninstalled the php module, but I was mistaken.  So all this time PHP  
was running as the Apache module.


I got PHP CGI running and now the WMS request loadparams() works.   
Apparently WMS doesn't work on PHP as Apache module (my OSX system  
uses PHP CGI).  Or maybe there is a way to make it work? (though I  
don't really care now that I have PHP CGI running)


On Sep 15, 2008, at 11:32 AM, William Kyngesburye wrote:


I testing/debugging some WMS PHP on Ubuntu 8.04 that works on OSX.

On OSX I have MapServer 5.0.0.  Same on Ubuntu, from the repositories.

When my PHP script gets to the loadparams() statement it immediately  
sends data back to the browser, in some unknown form (Firefox pops  
up the open in/save dialog).  If I save it, it's 0 bytes.


The PHP magic_quotes_gpc was on, so I turned it off, but that didn't  
help.  The GET params appear to be properly escaped and the request  
has all the required parameters (I took the URL from the request  
OpenLayers was sending).


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Re: [mapserver-users] MapServer Version 5.2.0 Source Released

2008-08-06 Thread William Kyngesburye

On Aug 6, 2008, at 10:51 AM, William Kyngesburye wrote:


On Jul 20, 2008, at 3:30 PM, William Kyngesburye wrote:


My OSX build is finally ready (lots of distractions this week).

I added a couple things:

- instructions for compiling other mapscripts that are not included  
in the installer.



are now included

took me a while to notice ;)


Scratch that, misread my own writing.  Where's my coffee!?


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Re: [mapserver-users] MapServer Version 5.2.0 Source Released

2008-07-20 Thread William Kyngesburye

My OSX build is finally ready (lots of distractions this week).

I added a couple things:

- instructions for compiling other mapscripts that are not included in  
the installer.


- a build script (separate download) to compile my framework version.   
Also supports compiling universal and 64bits (for Leopard).  It should  
work on Panther.  Defaults to using my other frameworks and binaries,  
only GD is required as an external compile.


On Jul 16, 2008, at 8:51 PM, Steve Lime wrote:

Hi all: The MapServer PSC is proud to announce the release of  
MapServer version 5.2. The source code is available for download at:


 http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/download/current

Binary distributions will follow shortly.


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Re: [mapserver-users] Ruby MapScript on Mac OS X?

2008-07-18 Thread William Kyngesburye

Here's a way to add ruby to my MapServer framework build.

Get the matching 5.0 Mapserver source (5.2 release coming soon).

Also get the GD 2.0.35 source, since some internal operations use GD.   
Copy these GD headers into the Mapserver source:


entities.h
gd_io.h
gd.h
gdcache.h
gdfontg.h
gdfontl.h
gdfontmb.h
gdfonts.h
gdfontt.h
gdfx.h

Then copy this file to the Mapserver source:



mapscriptvars
Description: Binary data




Now, in a Terminal window, cd to the ruby mapscript source folder and  
(as the readme says):


ruby extconf.rb
make

You will probably get an error about a missing architecture, but at  
least on Leopard it is ignored and I got a ruby mapscript bundle.


If this works, I can include the mapscripvars and instructions in my  
upcoming 5.2 binaries.


On Jul 18, 2008, at 7:56 AM, Tom Huras wrote:


William:
I'm on OS X 10.4.11 with my own Ruby installation to a more recent  
version (1.8.5) than shipped with OS X.


I am using your MapServer framework because it appeared to be a  
cleaner way of getting it going.


A couple of years ago, I attempted the full build from MapServer  
source with all its prerequisite software and got bogged down on  
some compiler issue with one of the prerequisites.  I left it for a  
while and then discovered your site where you had done the heavy  
lifting to do the build.  Thanks for that!


/tom

William Kyngesburye wrote:


I haven't given any thought to ruby yet, but I can look into it.   
Which OSX version?  I believe Leopard has Ruby, but not Tiger.  I  
would prefer to start with the system Ruby.  A possibility that I  
haven't worked out fully yet is to use my MapServer framework +  
MapServer source to build just the Ruby MapScript.



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Re: [mapserver-users] Ruby MapScript on Mac OS X?

2008-07-17 Thread William Kyngesburye
I haven't given any thought to ruby yet, but I can look into it.   
Which OSX version?  I believe Leopard has Ruby, but not Tiger.  I  
would prefer to start with the system Ruby.  A possibility that I  
haven't worked out fully yet is to use my MapServer framework +  
MapServer source to build just the Ruby MapScript.


On Jul 17, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Tom Huras wrote:

I'm running the pre-built binaries for MapServer on Mac OS X from  
Kyng Chaos.  Does anyone know how to get Ruby MapScript going on  
this platform?


I understand that if I build MapServer from source I can also build  
Ruby MapScript.  However, I was hoping for an easier path.


Thanks

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[mapserver-users] fastcgi/no-fastcgi

2008-07-13 Thread William Kyngesburye
While reorganizing my OSX build setup, it occurred to me that I might  
simplify the mapserv CGI build.  I've been compiling 2 separate  
mapserv binaries for with/without fastcgi.


Question: if I build mapserv CGI with fastcgi support, can it still  
run as a normal CGI if desired?



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Re: [mapserver-users] fastcgi/no-fastcgi

2008-07-13 Thread William Kyngesburye

On Jul 13, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote:


On 13-Jul-08, at 12:13 PM, William Kyngesburye wrote:

While reorganizing my OSX build setup, it occurred to me that I  
might simplify the mapserv CGI build.  I've been compiling 2  
separate mapserv binaries for with/without fastcgi.


Question: if I build mapserv CGI with fastcgi support, can it still  
run as a normal CGI if desired?





I don't think 2 mapserv binaries are necessary.  For MS4W it will be  
one mapserv binary, but Apache will be configured for 2 different  
script aliases for the cgi-bin directory (one with fastcgi settings  
and one without).  So to answer your question: yes a fastcgi- 
compiled mapserv can run as a normal cgi.




So, without the Apache configuration to load and configure the apache  
fastcgi module, mapserv-fcgi would run as a normal CGI?  Makes sense  
I guess.  Took me a while for this to occur to me ;)  Sure simplifies  
compilation (once, not twice).


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[mapserver-users] Mapserver GDAL in various Linux repositories

2008-05-14 Thread William Kyngesburye
I'm trying to get a handle on installing Mapserver on different Linux  
systems, so I can make recommendations to clients for setting up  
systems with Mapserver.


For standard repositories for different Linux distributions, I see  
quite a variety of names and versions:


Ubuntu: I have 8.04 on my MacBook, so I could check this directly - I  
find MapServer 5.0.0 and GDAL 1.4.4.  A web package list gives me MS  
4.10 and GDAL 1.4.1 for 7.10.


Debian: the web package listing shows MS 4.10/GDAL 1.5.0 for etch, and  
MS 5.0.2/GDAL 1.5.1 for the upcoming lenny.


Redhat: I couldn't find a web interface to search for packages, but  
did find a reference to Redhat 5 which has MS 4.10 and GDAL 1.4.2.


The Mapserver download page has links to old Mapping Hacks RPMs, and a  
really old FGS bundle.


There's the FWTools, which is supposed to have the latest dev versions  
of MS and GDAL for almost any 32bit Linux, but I'm not sure I want to  
put dev versions into a production environment.



Any other ideas? - custom repositories with more up to date, or  
consistent across Linux systems, version?  Building from source would  
only be an option for the more savvy clients.  Maybe something similar  
to FWTools but with stable versions only?


I definitely want at least MapServer 5 (though I could live with 4.10  
in a pinch).  GDAL version is more flexible, though it would be good  
to have the newer Python bindings in 1.5.  Other support dependencies  
are less of a concern (except maybe PROJ).


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Re: [mapserver-users] Mapserver GDAL in various Linux repositories

2008-05-14 Thread William Kyngesburye

I vaguely remember this, but didn't pay much attention to it ;)

It would be good to update the FGS page to show which versions are  
included.


Are the FGS builds of Apache, PHP, Postgres, ... and basic libraries  
required for FGS MapServer GDAL, and other GIS tools and libraries?   
Or can they use system copies of these?  Clients may not be willing or  
able to install duplicate copies of stuff available at the same  
version in the system, especially on an existing server.


Also, are there plans for 64bit builds?

On May 14, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Daniel Morissette wrote:


William Kyngesburye wrote:
The Mapserver download page has links to old Mapping Hacks RPMs,  
and a really old FGS bundle.


With respect to FGS, there have been no official/public releases in  
quite a while, but we've continued to use it internally. Recently  
we've started putting more work towards a new public release and  
last week a 1.0 release with the latest version of everything has  
been posted to the download site and mentioned on the FGS list, but  
unfortunately the website is still lagging behind.


Here is the relevant mailing list thread with the download/install  
info for FGS 1.0:
http://lists.maptools.org/pipermail/foss-gis-suite/2008-May/ 
000639.html


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