[libreoffice-marketing] Application for Membership page

[Jean Weber]

This may be the wrong list for this topic, but I think it does reflect
badly on our marketing efforts, or at least efforts to attract new
contributors and TDF members.

I looked at the application & renewal page on the TDF website.
https://www.documentfoundation.org/governance/members/application/
It has as a required field "Salutation" with only two choices: "Mrs"
and "Mr". Both of these do NOT apply to me. And why is this a required
field? What difference does it make? I recommend that this page be
revised.

Regards, Jean
Jean Hollis Weber
TDF member

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Women's Day Multilanguage Banner

[Jean Weber]

I just saw your blog post, Italo. It has a mistake. I am not "US,
living in Australia". I am an Australian citizen and have lived here
more than half my life. Where I started from is, IMO, irrelevant.

--Jean


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Women's Day Multilanguage Banner

[Jean Weber]

IWD is about quite a bit more than that, actually. "International
Women's Day is all about celebration, reflection, advocacy, and
action." http://www.internationalwomensday.com/About

--Jean

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Andreas Mantke  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> if I remember correctly, it's a day to fight for women rights, e.g. right to 
> vote, equal pay ...
>
> Regards,
> Andreas
>
> Am 6. März 2016 23:32:17 MEZ, schrieb Italo Vignoli :
>>On 06/03/2016 22:23, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
>>> I think I will share it on Twitter via @libreoffice
>>
>>I will publish a blog post on Tuesday, to celebrate Women's Day
>>
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[libreoffice-marketing] Any plans for an LO table/booth at SCALE 14x in 2016?

[Jean Weber]

I'm making plans for a possible trip to California in early 2016, and
I noticed that SCALE is being held a month earlier than in the past,
so it might fit into my schedule next year. I know LO has had a
table/booth for many years (I organised some of the early ones). Is
anyone planning one for next year? Robinson Tryon, perhaps?

--Jean

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Linux.conf.au call for proposals

[Jean Weber]

On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 In 2015 linux.conf.au will be held 12-16 January in Auckland, New
 Zealand, at the University of Auckland Business School.
 Call for Proposals opened 9 June 2014, closes 13 July 2014. I may put
 in a proposal for either a talk or a miniconference about
 documentation and other user assistance. I'm not sure if they will
 have the traditional post-conference public open day with
 opportunities for booths, but if so I could be involved in that...
 along with whatever other Australians or New Zealanders are in this
 group.

 http://linux.conf.au/cfp

 --Jean

FYI, I did not put in any proposals for either a talk or a
miniconference, and I probably will not be attending the conference.
Is anyone else planning to go?

--Jean

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[libreoffice-marketing] Download stats by O/S?

[Jean Weber]

Where can I find download statistics by O/S? Specifically, I'm
interested in downloads for Mac. Rough numbers are fine. I do not
intend to publish these. Thanks.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Linux.conf.au call for proposals

[Jean Weber]

AFAIK, there are no booths during the conference itself, only on the
open day, but if I find out differently, then I'll apply for one.
--Jean

On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Charles-H. Schulz
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 That sounds nice Jean. Do you think you and other volunteers could have a
 booth there?

 Best,

 Charles.



 On 12 juin 2014 04:36:51 CEST, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:

 In 2015 linux.conf.au will be held 12-16 January in Auckland, New
 Zealand, at the University of Auckland Business School.
 Call for Proposals opened 9 June 2014, closes 13 July 2014. I may put
 in a proposal for either a talk or a miniconference about
 documentation and other user assistance. I'm not sure if they will
 have the traditional post-conference public open day with
 opportunities for booths, but if so I could be involved in that...
 along with whatever other Australians or New Zealanders are in this
 group.

 http://linux.conf.au/cfp

 --Jean


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[libreoffice-marketing] Linux.conf.au call for proposals

[Jean Weber]

In 2015 linux.conf.au will be held 12-16 January in Auckland, New
Zealand, at the University of Auckland Business School.
Call for Proposals opened 9 June 2014, closes 13 July 2014. I may put
in a proposal for either a talk or a miniconference about
documentation and other user assistance. I'm not sure if they will
have the traditional post-conference public open day with
opportunities for booths, but if so I could be involved in that...
along with whatever other Australians or New Zealanders are in this
group.

http://linux.conf.au/cfp

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] low turnout on chat sessions

[Jean Weber]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Charles-H. Schulz
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 Hi,

 Yesterday we had to cancel the marketing irc chat session on the spot, due
 to the very low number of participants (3, including me). The conversation
 was interesting but was going much beyond the agenda itself.
 While this is disappointing, it's about the third time this happens.
 Interestingly enough, I'm always thinking that there's something wrong with
 the schedule of the chat session. So the last three sessions were scheduled
 at different times of the day. It does not seem to help or to affect the
 participants' turnout in any way.

 I would be interested to know why this is the case. Below are a few possible
 factors:
 - many people are confused by IRC - should we restart to do marketing chats
 on the phone? I seem to remember the turnout was higher on the phone but I
 might be wrong.
 - people are shy - IRC is supposedly letting many people sit in the
 background and not have to express themselves in public.
 - language barrier?
 - the discussion topics are not interesting
 - the information about the chat session is not spread around enough

 What do you think ? What do you propose?

 Looking forward to your input,

 Charles.

Most times I do not join because the time is bad for me. This chat was
starting at midnight my time. Some chats are at better times, but
often I am not somewhere that I can get online.

I will not join a phone chat. IRC works for me.

--Jean

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[libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: Apply for a Free Nonprofit Space at OSCON by April 22

[Jean Weber]

To whoever is organising the TDF/LO booth at OSCON this year, in case
you have not already applied for a space. I am not attending, but if
you have questions I can try to answer them based on my experience
last year. --Jean


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Expo Hall. We are now accepting applications for 2014 and invite you
to apply. The deadline to submit your application for a space is
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice For Schools

[Jean Weber]

On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 2:56 PM,  timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is anyone interested in creating a LibreOffice for Education Text Book 
 project?

 This can and probably should be setup as its own working group.

 The California Open Source Textbook Project http://www.opensourcetext.org/
 Is currently seeking Open Source Text Books for The California Public Schools
 K-12. They require the material to be presented in a Text Book style. This
 would be a good way to get LibreOffice into Word Processing Classes in
 California High Schools as well as schools around the world.

 College Open Text Book http://www.collegeopentextbooks.org/ Is also seeking
 Text Books for use in Colleges, This would be a good opportunity to get
 LibreOffice into College's across the US!

 Open Text Book Library is another College Initiative
 http://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks/ as well.

 There are quite a few more of these organizations that partnerships could be
 established with as well.

 I have been seeing a number for these popping up and I have seen some that
 will pay $20,000 USD for Creative Commons Text Book Donations late last year
 which could be used to help fund the this working group. Community developed
 software with educational community developed Course-ware would work out
 pretty well.

 These initiatives would require producing a full text book with exercises etc.

 As The LibreOffice Software already has an unbeatable low cost all we are
 missing to take over the education sector is unbeatable low cost course-ware
 to go with it.

 Establishing a full LibreOffice For Education program with the goals of not 
 only
 producing the text books but also full courses and possibly Moodle course
 ware, Produced courses could even potentially be made available at edX
 https://www.edx.org/ (Which has a Free Into To Linux Course this year for
 those who have not registered for it yet.) It is a $2,400 course normally
 taught by The Linux Foundation.

 Tim

IMO for this we really, seriously, need at least one experienced
instructional designer or trainer to lead (coordinate) the effort, or
someone experienced in producing quality textbooks or training
materials aimed at whatever educational level is the target market.

--Jean

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[libreoffice-marketing] Book distribution, production, and related matters

[Jean Weber]

I changed the subject line.

On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 6:01 AM,  timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sunday, March 16, 2014 09:47:33 AM you wrote:
 On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 6:58 AM,  timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Saturday, March 15, 2014 03:24:11 AM you wrote:
  On Saturday, March 15, 2014 03:15:06 AM you wrote:
   On Saturday, March 15, 2014 04:08:59 PM you wrote:
 Jean,

 Is it possible to get Amazon.com to stock hard/soft copy and Google
 Books
 to stock soft copy (they already support PDF in addition to epub.)
 It
 would would not be bad to see if Barnes and Noble as well as Kobo
 would
 also stock the soft copy for their Ebook Readers as well. This
 would
 certainly assist with in reaching new users particularly if they
 are
 provided for free and would provide some great advertising as well.

 I know Amazon and Google have programs to self publish but I have
 not
 actually tried them out though.

 Is anyone interested is publishing them in epub or mobi? I would
 like
 to
 learn how to format and produce epub so if someone knows how and
 wants
 to
 lead this then I am willing to port some chapters!

 Tim
   
Tim,
As I have said on previous occasions when this topic came up: yes, it
is possible to get printed books and ebooks (in several formats) to
be
stocked by Amazon and others. Lulu (where we publish our books) will
take care of it for us (previously there was a fee, but now there is
not). There is some extra work involved that sounds easy but is not.
I
have begun taking steps to do this for the v4.2 books.
   
Amazon's self-publishing program (I don't know about Google's) has
cost, taxation, and other problems for us that I don't have the
energy
to describe in detail right now. I personally will not consider using
them, but others can pursue this if they wish to.
   
We can, of course, produce our own ebooks (epub, mobi, other formats)
from chapters and/or full books with or without Lulu's help, and
publish them on our own wiki and website along with the ODTs and PDFs
for users to download at no cost.
   
Dan Lewis has done some work converting files to epub. He has said
that the latest version of Calibre does a much better and easier job
of converting our files than earlier versions did. I don't think Dan
is available to lead an effort to do major conversions, but that's
for
him to say.
ev
IMO we need to make some changes to our template to make the
conversion process easier and give better results. I have documented
some of this somewhere. You might be able to find it by searching the
archives for this list, or it might be on the wiki. IIRC, mainly the
changes involve getting rid of our custom style names wherever
possible and using the built-in style names instead.
   
This change in style names is part of the plan to produce a new
template for our books, but that plan keeps getting stalled for
various reasons. Also, work on the template over the past few years
seems to have focused on changes that affect mainly the appearance of
the resulting PDFs  printed books and not on changes that affect the
conversion process to other formats.
   
--Jean
  
   Jean,
  
   I decided I wanted to go ahead and try out The Google Books Partnership
   Publishing, I went ahead and published The LibreOffice 4.0 Getting
   Started
   Guide in its official non-modified state to Google Books and Google
   Play
   for the low price of FREE with no DRM. Google Is currently processing
   it
   for full text search/indexing it is set to become available immediately
   upon finishing and it will be available in PDF download format from
   Google
   Play/Books as well. I was also able to advertise the printed version
   from
   Lulu as well.
  
   I will send out the URL for it when I goes online, The process is
   pretty
   fast and relatively easy.
  
   I will look at publishing the rest of them after I see how this one
   turns
   out.
  
  
   Also the partnership Publishing accounts can be configured for multiple
   administrators to ease management/updates etc.
  
   Tim
 
  Jean,
 
  I attempted to upload the .ODT version hoping to make it an additional
  available format for download but Google currently rejects that file
  type.
  It is limited to PDF, epub as well as cover art in jpeg/gif.
 
  Tim
 
  Jean,
 
  According to Google The getting started guide is now live and online in
  The
  PE, US and VE sales regions. I am currently not able to located it though
  through their search tools.
 
  I did find that there is another group that has uploaded some but not all
  of the manuals under the Google Play Books Textbooks. They are missing
  covers and have other minor issues though but they did get ISBN Numbers
  assigned for them 

[libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: [libreoffice-documentation] How about printing this material in a soft cover book for us??

[Jean Weber]

For those on this list who aren't on the Docs list, this conversation
may be of interest.

--Jean


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From:  timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] How about printing this
material in a soft cover book for us??
To: documentat...@global.libreoffice.org


On Saturday, March 15, 2014 04:08:59 PM you wrote:
  Jean,
 
  Is it possible to get Amazon.com to stock hard/soft copy and Google Books
  to stock soft copy (they already support PDF in addition to epub.) It
  would would not be bad to see if Barnes and Noble as well as Kobo would
  also stock the soft copy for their Ebook Readers as well. This would
  certainly assist with in reaching new users particularly if they are
  provided for free and would provide some great advertising as well.
 
  I know Amazon and Google have programs to self publish but I have not
  actually tried them out though.
 
  Is anyone interested is publishing them in epub or mobi? I would like to
  learn how to format and produce epub so if someone knows how and wants to
  lead this then I am willing to port some chapters!
 
  Tim

 Tim,
 As I have said on previous occasions when this topic came up: yes, it
 is possible to get printed books and ebooks (in several formats) to be
 stocked by Amazon and others. Lulu (where we publish our books) will
 take care of it for us (previously there was a fee, but now there is
 not). There is some extra work involved that sounds easy but is not. I
 have begun taking steps to do this for the v4.2 books.

 Amazon's self-publishing program (I don't know about Google's) has
 cost, taxation, and other problems for us that I don't have the energy
 to describe in detail right now. I personally will not consider using
 them, but others can pursue this if they wish to.

 We can, of course, produce our own ebooks (epub, mobi, other formats)
 from chapters and/or full books with or without Lulu's help, and
 publish them on our own wiki and website along with the ODTs and PDFs
 for users to download at no cost.

 Dan Lewis has done some work converting files to epub. He has said
 that the latest version of Calibre does a much better and easier job
 of converting our files than earlier versions did. I don't think Dan
 is available to lead an effort to do major conversions, but that's for
 him to say.
 ev
 IMO we need to make some changes to our template to make the
 conversion process easier and give better results. I have documented
 some of this somewhere. You might be able to find it by searching the
 archives for this list, or it might be on the wiki. IIRC, mainly the
 changes involve getting rid of our custom style names wherever
 possible and using the built-in style names instead.

 This change in style names is part of the plan to produce a new
 template for our books, but that plan keeps getting stalled for
 various reasons. Also, work on the template over the past few years
 seems to have focused on changes that affect mainly the appearance of
 the resulting PDFs  printed books and not on changes that affect the
 conversion process to other formats.

 --Jean


Jean,

I decided I wanted to go ahead and try out The Google Books Partnership
Publishing, I went ahead and published The LibreOffice 4.0 Getting Started Guide
in its official non-modified state to Google Books and Google Play for the low
price of FREE with no DRM. Google Is currently processing it for full text
search/indexing it is set to become available immediately upon finishing and it
will be available in PDF download format from Google Play/Books as well. I was
also able to advertise the printed version from Lulu as well.

I will send out the URL for it when I goes online, The process is pretty fast
and relatively easy.

I will look at publishing the rest of them after I see how this one turns out.


Also the partnership Publishing accounts can be configured for multiple
administrators to ease management/updates etc.

Tim

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Tip of the day tweets from @LibreOffice account

[Jean Weber]

I had tried to start something similar on the Documentation blog, with
tipshints and pointers to how-to pages, but the problem is always
that someone has to write the how-tos. Once they are written, then we
can link to them in many ways: blog posts, Twitter, Facebook, G+...

I hope your initiative succeeds, Zeki.

--Jean


On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Zeki Bildirici
zeki.ozguryazi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I mostly give links to how-to pages, which was -mostly-written by me :(

 May be we can work on Etherpad to produce this tweets.

 No restriction, or diffuculty level. We can start from simple actions
 to complicated XML filters...

 Btw, we don't have to be shy to tweet, thats twitter and it is
 streaming, not like mailboxes. As much as we use, we can benefit more
 and more.

 Could we open a pad and see what can we do?
 Pad name can be:

 LibreOffice tipshints tweets

 or anything

 Best regards,
 Zeki

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[libreoffice-marketing] Poll on open source projects

[Jean Weber]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this here yet...

opensource.com is running a poll with the question, Which project
would you recommend to a newbie who wants to get started with open
source? One of the answers is LibreOffice.

Some might be interested in voting. No registration needed.

--Jean

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-projects] Website Redesign - Beta

[Jean Weber]

On Wednesday, January 22, 2014, Charles-H. Schulz 
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:


 ... if anything, we should do
 ten times more marketing, and less facts. We are getting bored to hell
 with facts. People don't care about facts; they want something fun they
 can use and understand as fast as possible. They also want to be part
 of something, like a community, and they want meaning. Facts in place
 of marketing could kill Free Software, I could swear it.


Perhaps so, but IMO the vast majority of our users and potential users have
no interest in community or meaning or even fun -- they just want a
great product that does what they want or need to do, and therefore they
want facts.

Obviously we see the world of software quite differently. (This may well be
a generational thing, at least partly.) Your emphasis is on the production
side; my interest and emphasis is on the consumption (user) side.

--Jean

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[libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: Libre Office, The Document Foundation and LinuxFest Northwest 2014

[Jean Weber]

Of possible interest to the group. --Jean


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Subject: Libre Office, The Document Foundation and LinuxFest Northwest 2014
To: Jean Hollis weber jeanwe...@documentfoundation.org


Hi Jean,

As I promised at OSCON, I'm letting you know that LinuxFest Northwest 2014
is now open for Sponsorship/Exhibitor Opportunities and Presentation
Submissions.

We’re looking forward to seeing you at our 15th Anniversary event
April 26th and 27th in Bellingham, Wa.

Sponsorship/Exhibitor opportunities and Presentation proposal
submissions are accessible
through http://linuxfestnorthwest.org

Please contact me with any questions,

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[libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: Announcing the Community Leadership Summit 2014

[Jean Weber]

I attended this event the past two years and recommend it highly. IMO
anyone interested in community building for LibreOffice would benefit
from attending. If you can then stay on for OSCON, so much the better.

As the note says, attendance at CLS is free. Though, of course, you
would need to consider travel and accommodation costs, but TDF might
be able to cover (or at least help with) those. I can't go to either
event this year, but I wish I could.

--Jean


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Date: Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 4:30 AM
Subject: Announcing the Community Leadership Summit 2014

Hi Everyone,

We just announced the Community Leadership Summit 2014, taking place
on Fri 18th and Sat 19th July 2014 at the Oregon Convention Center in
Portland, Oregon. Again the event takes place the two days before
OSCON. More information is available on our website at
http://communityleadershipsummit.com/

You may notice that the event is happening on a Friday and Saturday
this year instead of on a Saturday and Sunday. This is because this
year OSCON starts a day earlier on the Sunday, so we are now starting
a day earlier on the Friday.

As usual the Community Leadership Summit is entirely free to attend
(although free registration is required), and open and welcome to
everyone. The website at http://communityleadershipsummit.com/ has
been updated and I would encourage you to go and register
(http://www.communityleadershipsummit.com/register/).

If you could please share the event on your social networks, that
would be wonderful. We usually use the hashtag #cls.

Every year we work to evolve and refine the event, and this year is no
exception. We have a diverse audience, and we are making some
refinements to make navigating the schedule easier and making the
sessions more relevant to attendees. We are also exploring other
non-unconference content.

What will make the event better than ever is your feedback! I have
kicked off a discussion on our new Community Leadership Summit forum
at http://communityleadershipsummit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=24p=73#p73
- we would welcome and encourage your feedback.

I hope to see you at this years event - it is shaping up to be the best CLS yet!

Thanks,

   Jono

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Microsoft MigratIon Guide

[Jean Weber]

The term Migration Guide seems to be used around the project to
refer to two types of documents. One is more a marketing document
providing guidance for people and companies considering changing from
Microsoft Office to LibreOffice. The other is more of a user guide
intended to help people who have been using MSO and need to learn how
to use LO. The latter is the guide that is mentioned in the Docs wiki.
It probably needs a different name to distinguish it from the
marketing document. It is, in a way, a followup to the marketing
document, but aimed very much at people actually using LO. They often
think Oh, I can't do X with LO when in fact they can but they
haven't discovered the different ways that LO does some things and the
different terminology used in a few places.

Back in OpenOffice 2.x days, we had such a document. Its contents list
could be improved upon, but the general concept I think is an
important one to help people make the transition. IMO it needs to be
written by someone or several people who are familiar with current or
recent versions of MSO from a user's point of view, the terminology
used, and the placement of menus and toolbars for doing common tasks.

The OOo 2.0 document is here:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide

I have not looked at the book Fabian mentions (and my French isn't
very good), but I notice it is also from OOoAuthors.

--Jean



On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Charles-H. Schulz
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 Hello,

 Italo already answered on the documentation list (I believe).
 In order to understand the context a bit better, it's perhaps useful to
 realize that such a migration guide fits into the context of our
 professional certification project. At this stage we do not really work
 on such a migration guide, however we will at some point and if there's
 enough interest now, some blueprint might be possible. If you guys are
 IT professionals and have already migrated customers to LibreOffice or
 earlier to OpenOffice.org, please let Italo know about it.

 Thanks!

 Charles.

 Le Wed, 8 Jan 2014 07:49:57 -0600,
 Andrew Brandt and...@allstar-computer.com a écrit :

 I'd also be interested in working on this guide.
 On Jan 7, 2014 11:48 PM, David Virden
 thetechnicaldeconfusa...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi, I would like to work on this guide and I was told someone on
  this list else was interested, as well. If so, would you like some
  assistance?
 
  David
 
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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] any USA person able to make/print DVD for people?

[Jean Weber]

Do they have a setup fee? That's usually the killer when the files are
updated frequently: too expensive for TDF/LO to provide the service.
(That's one reason the user guides are provided through Lulu: no setup
fees.)

--Jean

On Thursday, January 2, 2014, Christopher Walsh wrote:

 There is a very affordable print on demand service called
 Kunakihttp://www.kunaki.com/ in
 NY that specializes in automated small run DVD burning.They burn data
 as well as movie files.   When you add shipping via US Mail, the total per
 disc is  around $5 (US only).  $1 dollar for the disc and $ 4.30 for
 shipping.

 I like that Kunaki would always be available, they even offer a
 publish-at-no-cost solution, which would let people order directly from
 Kunaki.

 Alternatively, I do have replicator and printer at home, and am willing to
 fill in short term for small orders.

 Chris Walsh
 301-646-9065
 cswa...@gmail.com javascript:;


 On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster 
 webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

  On 12/31/2013 08:20 PM, Jean Weber wrote:
 
  On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
  webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:
 
  As the person who creates the NA-DVD .iso, I have offered to burn and
  media
  print labels for the DVD[s] if people cannot download the file[s] for
 LO
  installs.
 
  I have a printer that will print on the printable DVD media so it looks
  professional.
 
  Right at this time, I have had a severe health setback and cannot make
  these
  DVDs for the next few months, or more.
 
  So, is there any USA person who might be willing to take the NA-DVD
 .iso
  file,
  1- download it,
  2 - use the included label file[s] to print directly into the media,
  3 - and ship it to USA people who would like the DVD.
 
  I charge the person Priority mail rates and a fee for the media [etc.].
   So
  this is not a free service.
 
  There are people who wants the DVD [4.1.4 or 4.0.6] right now, but I
 have
  been in and out of the hospital and have difficulty going to the doctor
  office, let alone the post office.  So I could use a volunteer to do
 this
  type of work.
 
  The NA-DVD project was designed to make the DVD available, in both a
 .iso
  download file and a physical media that users could get access to.  The
  .iso
  file part is on the LO server system, but the providing of the physical
  media is the issue at this time.
 
  To be honest, if there was someone in Canada and the other English
  speaking
  regions that could do this for their regions/countries, it would be
  welcome.
 
  So, with my health issues, I can no longer provide the burned/printed
  media,
  for the at least a month or two, or longer.
 
  So is there anyone in the USA who would be willing to make and ship the
  physical LO NA-DVD project DVD[s]?
 
  Tim Lungstrom
 
 
  Tim, sorry to hear about your health problems. Hope you improve as
  quickly as possible.
 
  All, this may be a good incentive for us to investigate commercial
  services that will burn, label, and ship single or multiple DVDs. For
  example, http://www.publishmymedia.com/index.html (Note: I know
  nothing about that particular service and have never used them; it's
  just an example of what's available.) No doubt some, or most, charge
  too much in upfront (setup) costs to be viable, but worth
  investigating I think. If I have time over the next few weeks, I'll
  investigate it myself.
 
  --Jean
 
 
  I think some of these print on demand services we looked into and the
  costs were not good for the single disc ordering.  But that was last
 year,
 
  Also, every few months we have a new version of LO to deal with for a
 DVD.
   Right now, the 4.1.x line is ready[?] to take over the distribution of
 LO
  from the stable 4.0.6 version of the DVD.  At least that is what it
 looks
  like on the lists.  So if we make a print-on-demand service DVD
 available
  for 4.1.4, it will be replaced by 4.1.5 or 4.1.6?
 
  As for just burning the DVD and handing them out. . . .  Well, that is a
  good thing to do for friends, but for businesses you need something more
  professional looking.  The DVD contains the label artwork so after you
  download the DVD .iso file, you can burn the DVD onto printable media and
  then use your media printing printer to print the professional
 looking
  label.  You can get a Canon printer that prints onto CDs and DVDs for
 under
  $100 USD.  I have two of them, but only use

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] any USA person able to make/print DVD for people?

[Jean Weber]

Ah, just reread and noticed you said they have publish-at-no-cost
solution, which would let people order directly .. IMO that's what we want.

On Thursday, January 2, 2014, Jean Weber wrote:

 Do they have a setup fee? That's usually the killer when the files are
 updated frequently: too expensive for TDF/LO to provide the service.
 (That's one reason the user guides are provided through Lulu: no setup
 fees.)

 --Jean

 On Thursday, January 2, 2014, Christopher Walsh wrote:

 There is a very affordable print on demand service called
 Kunakihttp://www.kunaki.com/ in
 NY that specializes in automated small run DVD burning.They burn data
 as well as movie files.   When you add shipping via US Mail, the total per
 disc is  around $5 (US only).  $1 dollar for the disc and $ 4.30 for
 shipping.

 I like that Kunaki would always be available, they even offer a
 publish-at-no-cost solution, which would let people order directly from
 Kunaki.

 Alternatively, I do have replicator and printer at home, and am willing to
 fill in short term for small orders.

 Chris Walsh
 301-646-9065
 cswa...@gmail.com


 On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster 
 webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

  On 12/31/2013 08:20 PM, Jean Weber wrote:
 
  On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
  webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:
 
  As the person who creates the NA-DVD .iso, I have offered to burn and
  media
  print labels for the DVD[s] if people cannot download the file[s] for
 LO
  installs.
 
  I have a printer that will print on the printable DVD media so it looks
  professional.
 
  Right at this time, I have had a severe health setback and cannot make
  these
  DVDs for the next few months, or more.
 
  So, is there any USA person who might be willing to take the NA-DVD
 .iso
  file,
  1- download it,
  2 - use the included label file[s] to print directly into the media,
  3 - and ship it to USA people who would like the DVD.
 
  I charge the person Priority mail rates and a fee for the media [etc.].
   So
  this is not a free service.
 
  There are people who wants the DVD [4.1.4 or 4.0.6] right now, but I
 have
  been in and out of the hospital and have difficulty going to the doctor
  office, let alone the post office.  So I could use a volunteer to do
 this
  type of work.
 
  The NA-DVD project was designed to make the DVD available, in both a
 .iso
  download file and a physical media that users could get access to.  The
  .iso
  file part is on the LO server system, but the providing of the physical
  media is the issue at this time.
 
  To be honest, if there was someone in Canada and the other English
  speaking
  regions that could do this for their regions/countries, it would be
  welcome.
 
  So, with my health issues, I can no longer provide the burned/printed
  media,
  for the at least a month or two, or longer.
 
  So is there anyone in the USA who would be willing to make and ship the
  physical LO NA-DVD project DVD[s]?
 
  Tim Lungstrom
 
 
  Tim, sorry to hear about your health problems. Hope you improve as
  quickly as possible.
 
  All, this may be a good incentive for us to investigate commercial
  services that will burn, label, and ship single or multiple DVDs. For
  example, http://www.publishmymedia.com/index.html (Note: I know
  nothing about that particular service and have never used them; it's
  just an example of what's available.) No doubt some, or most, charge
  too much in upfront (setup) costs to be viable, but worth
  investigating I think. If I have time over the next few weeks, I'll
  investigate it myself.
 
  --Jean
 
 
  I think some of these print on demand services we looked into and the
  costs were not good for the single disc ordering.  But that was last
 year,
 
  Also, every few months we have a new version of LO to deal with for a
 DVD.
   Right now, the 4.1.x line is ready[?] to take over the distribution of
 LO
  from the stable 4.0.6 version of the DVD.  At least that is what it
 looks
  like on the lists.  So if we make a print-on-demand service DVD
 available
  for 4.1.4, it will be replaced by 4.1.5 or 4.1.6?
 
 



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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] any USA person able to make/print DVD for people?

[Jean Weber]

On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

 As the person who creates the NA-DVD .iso, I have offered to burn and media
 print labels for the DVD[s] if people cannot download the file[s] for LO
 installs.

 I have a printer that will print on the printable DVD media so it looks
 professional.

 Right at this time, I have had a severe health setback and cannot make these
 DVDs for the next few months, or more.

 So, is there any USA person who might be willing to take the NA-DVD .iso
 file,
 1- download it,
 2 - use the included label file[s] to print directly into the media,
 3 - and ship it to USA people who would like the DVD.

 I charge the person Priority mail rates and a fee for the media [etc.].  So
 this is not a free service.

 There are people who wants the DVD [4.1.4 or 4.0.6] right now, but I have
 been in and out of the hospital and have difficulty going to the doctor
 office, let alone the post office.  So I could use a volunteer to do this
 type of work.

 The NA-DVD project was designed to make the DVD available, in both a .iso
 download file and a physical media that users could get access to.  The .iso
 file part is on the LO server system, but the providing of the physical
 media is the issue at this time.

 To be honest, if there was someone in Canada and the other English speaking
 regions that could do this for their regions/countries, it would be welcome.

 So, with my health issues, I can no longer provide the burned/printed media,
 for the at least a month or two, or longer.

 So is there anyone in the USA who would be willing to make and ship the
 physical LO NA-DVD project DVD[s]?

 Tim Lungstrom


Tim, sorry to hear about your health problems. Hope you improve as
quickly as possible.

All, this may be a good incentive for us to investigate commercial
services that will burn, label, and ship single or multiple DVDs. For
example, http://www.publishmymedia.com/index.html (Note: I know
nothing about that particular service and have never used them; it's
just an example of what's available.) No doubt some, or most, charge
too much in upfront (setup) costs to be viable, but worth
investigating I think. If I have time over the next few weeks, I'll
investigate it myself.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice Library Month proposal

[Jean Weber]

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Robinson Tryon
 bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:

 A few q's:
 * How much would a full set of books cost?
 * How easy is it to order the full set for a given release?
 * Is there anything our docs don't (currently) cover?

 The printed copies of the user guides are published by Friends of
 OpenDocument through Lulu.com.
 http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/opendocument

 The cost of a full set of books is around $100 retail, plus postage.
 However, Friends of OpenDocument are happy to place orders at
 wholesale prices for people wanting to use these books for marketing
 purposes, though we need to be reimbursed for the actual cost from the
 Marketing budget or whoever is doing the ordering. I will look up the
 wholesale cost of a set of books and post that here later. Lulu has
 printers in several countries, so you would usually be paying local
 postage, not overseas rates.

 No release of LO has a full set of books. A set for v4.x might contain
 some for v4.0, some for v4.1, and (next year) some for v4.2. (At the
 moment, a set would also include Calc v3.4, but a Calc v4.1 book
 should be done soon.)

 At this point, all components are covered: Getting Started, Writer,
 Calc, Draw, Impress, Math, Base.

 --Jean

 Following up...
 Wholesale price of full set of books would be approx. $75 plus postage.

 --Jean

BTW, you can check what the latest books are by going to
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/

I am sometimes a day or two late updating that page after publishing a
new book, but it's otherwise usually up to date.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice Library Month proposal

[Jean Weber]

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Robinson Tryon
bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:

 A few q's:
 * How much would a full set of books cost?
 * How easy is it to order the full set for a given release?
 * Is there anything our docs don't (currently) cover?

The printed copies of the user guides are published by Friends of
OpenDocument through Lulu.com.
http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/opendocument

The cost of a full set of books is around $100 retail, plus postage.
However, Friends of OpenDocument are happy to place orders at
wholesale prices for people wanting to use these books for marketing
purposes, though we need to be reimbursed for the actual cost from the
Marketing budget or whoever is doing the ordering. I will look up the
wholesale cost of a set of books and post that here later. Lulu has
printers in several countries, so you would usually be paying local
postage, not overseas rates.

No release of LO has a full set of books. A set for v4.x might contain
some for v4.0, some for v4.1, and (next year) some for v4.2. (At the
moment, a set would also include Calc v3.4, but a Calc v4.1 book
should be done soon.)

At this point, all components are covered: Getting Started, Writer,
Calc, Draw, Impress, Math, Base.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice Library Month proposal

[Jean Weber]

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Robinson Tryon
 bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:

 A few q's:
 * How much would a full set of books cost?
 * How easy is it to order the full set for a given release?
 * Is there anything our docs don't (currently) cover?

 The printed copies of the user guides are published by Friends of
 OpenDocument through Lulu.com.
 http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/opendocument

 The cost of a full set of books is around $100 retail, plus postage.
 However, Friends of OpenDocument are happy to place orders at
 wholesale prices for people wanting to use these books for marketing
 purposes, though we need to be reimbursed for the actual cost from the
 Marketing budget or whoever is doing the ordering. I will look up the
 wholesale cost of a set of books and post that here later. Lulu has
 printers in several countries, so you would usually be paying local
 postage, not overseas rates.

 No release of LO has a full set of books. A set for v4.x might contain
 some for v4.0, some for v4.1, and (next year) some for v4.2. (At the
 moment, a set would also include Calc v3.4, but a Calc v4.1 book
 should be done soon.)

 At this point, all components are covered: Getting Started, Writer,
 Calc, Draw, Impress, Math, Base.

 --Jean

Following up...
Wholesale price of full set of books would be approx. $75 plus postage.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LO white paper

[Jean Weber]

Permanent home on the wiki. One file can be linked from several pages,
including Docs and Marketing. Haven't had time to think about that in
more detail, or look at the paper itself. That needn't stop someone
else moving ahead with this.

--Jean


On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:45 AM, dbclinton dbc...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 I've done a bit of updating of my white paper (making the case to transition
 from MS Office to LO), and it can be found here:

 http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/white_papers/update-to-ms-office-to-libreoffice-white-paper-nov-4-2013/view

 Or, if you don't have access to ODF, it's also available either in PDF or
 ODT formats here:

 http://www.marbitz.com/portfolio/LO_White_Paper.pdf
 http://www.marbitz.com/portfolio/LO_White_Paper.odt

 Anyone can use it wherever it might be helpful. Does anyone have any
 suggestions for a permanent home?

 David

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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Engaging Users?

[Jean Weber]

On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Charles-H. Schulz
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 Le Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:43:28 +1000,
 Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com a écrit :

 On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:
 
  Quistions 4 and 5 allow only one choice. Imo allowing more would be
  better.

 I agree.

 Also, I'm sorry to be coming late to this discussion (I didn't have
 time to look at the draft), but there are many errors in the English
 that IMO should be corrected. I am happy to do that if it's possible
 to change it at this stage and if someone gives me the necessary
 access permission.

 --Jean


 Jean, you should receive access to the survey admin panel in a
 few minutes. Let me know if the permissions I've set for you are enough.

 FYI: you can edit the questions and the answers but DO NOT deactivate
 the survey.

I have edited the English. On questions 4 and 5, I changed the wording
to not suggest that more than one answer is possible. If you change
the number of answers allowed, the wording could also be changed.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Engaging Users?

[Jean Weber]

On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:

 Quistions 4 and 5 allow only one choice. Imo allowing more would be better.

I agree.

Also, I'm sorry to be coming late to this discussion (I didn't have
time to look at the draft), but there are many errors in the English
that IMO should be corrected. I am happy to do that if it's possible
to change it at this stage and if someone gives me the necessary
access permission.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] when did the 4.0.6 announcement go out?

[Jean Weber]

On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

 A thread posting, on the User list, stated  downgrade to 4.0.6.  Well,
 I must have missed the announcement that .6 had come out.  I did not see
 any announcement come into my client's folder for LO where such an
 announcement would show up.  I wonder when the announcement for 4.0.6
 was sent out, or was one sent out?

Florian Effenberger, on October 24, posted to the announce list.

--Jean


 I forgot all about it coming out this past week, been really busy.

 I want to upgrade to it from 4.0.5. - Win7 [64-bit] and Ubuntu 12.04LTS
 [64 bit] and downgrade 4.1.2[?] on Ubuntu 13.10 to LO 4.0.6, since it
 has a font drop box issue/bug that I cannot go around [which I was told
 was already reported].


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Fwd: [libreoffice-marketing] YouTube for Nonprofits

[Jean Weber]

This is relevant to us at Docs as well, since we have been collecting
links to some of the scattered tutorial videos on YouTube.

Any Docs team members who are interested in helping set up and
organise the official TDF/LO YouTube channel should make connection
with others from the Marketing list and/or directly with Charles-H.
Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org.

--Jean


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From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org
Date: Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:20 AM
Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] YouTube for Nonprofits
To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org


Hello,

FYI: We have just received an account at YouTube for Nonprofits. I
lack time to work on this at the moment, but maybe someone wants to
take over.

Florian

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[libreoffice-marketing] Time for Linux Journal's Readers' Choice Awards nominations

[Jean Weber]

http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/readers-choice-awards-2013-nomination

Item 29 is Best Office Suite, but you may also wish to nominate your
preferred programs in other categories as well.

Voting occurs later in August.

--Jean

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[libreoffice-marketing] LO popularity at CLS

[Jean Weber]

This past weekend I was at the CLS (Community Leadership Summit) in
Portland, Oregon. I was wearing a LibreOffice t-shirt. Many people
came up to me and said things like I love LibreOffice! or I use it
all the time and it's my favourite software!

One woman asked if LO had fixed a word count bug that was in OOo and
is still in the current (3.4) version of AOO. I checked to be sure,
and told her that yes, it was fixed in LO some time ago. Oh, good,
then I'm downloading LibreOffice this week! :-) [To be fair, it could
be fixed in AOO 4.0 as well; I don't know.]

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information

[Jean Weber]

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:09 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Le 2013-06-16 09:09, Marc Paré a écrit :



 I am just re-booting this thread so that we can finish it.

 I have uploaded the newest versions of the USLtr[1] and PDF[2] with a
 new graphic to replace the tilde section separators.

 I will get on to the other versions ASAP.

 BTW ... We still need to help author the LibreOffice Community brochure
 for Jean. She will need it for the first week in July.

 Cheers,

 Marc

 [1]

 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr.odt


 [2]

 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtrPDF.pdf



 I have uploaded the newest versions of the A4[1] and the .pdf[2] with a new
 graphic to replace the tilde section separators.

 I will get to work on the official versions ASAP.

 Cheers,

 Marc

 [1]
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-A4.odt

 [2]
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-A4.pdf


Having got a bunch of these printed for use this week and at future
conferences, and with v4.1 of LO due out very soon, I belatedly
realise that we should probably have made the brochure more generic,
with LO4, not 4.0, so they aren't out of date so quickly.

--Jean

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[libreoffice-marketing] Official and Community brochures

[Jean Weber]

Now that we are producing some brochures, I want to put them on the
marketing wiki on a page that is easy to find and linked from the main
marketing page. I intend to set up a page where people can easily identify
brochures and download them. I hope I'm not duplicating something Marc or
someone else has already done.

Yes, I know about the Brochure Types page, and will link to/from there as
well, but I think it's important to keep work-in-progress separate from
approved results. I find the marketing wiki pages seriously confusing, and
I'm involved in the work. I can just imagine how someone else feels when
they come along wanting a template, or a brochure, or a flyer, or a banner,
or whatever.

And yes, I need to tidy up some of the Documentation pages too. My room
is as cluttered as anyone else's. :-)

--Jean

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Official and Community brochures

[Jean Weber]

I linked from the Marketing Materials page to the Brochure Types page and
put links to the existing brochures (all community version) on the Brochure
Types page.

I was going to do the official versions of the Our Community brochure,
but I have not had time. I might get to that tomorrow, but probably not.

--Jean



On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Reconsidering what I wrote below: I now think it would be sufficient to
 make some changes to the Brochure Types page and -- very important -- link
 to it from the main Marketing page. So that's what I'll do first.

 --Jean


 On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Now that we are producing some brochures, I want to put them on the
 marketing wiki on a page that is easy to find and linked from the main
 marketing page. I intend to set up a page where people can easily identify
 brochures and download them. I hope I'm not duplicating something Marc or
 someone else has already done.

 Yes, I know about the Brochure Types page, and will link to/from there
 as well, but I think it's important to keep work-in-progress separate from
 approved results. I find the marketing wiki pages seriously confusing, and
 I'm involved in the work. I can just imagine how someone else feels when
 they come along wanting a template, or a brochure, or a flyer, or a banner,
 or whatever.

 And yes, I need to tidy up some of the Documentation pages too. My room
 is as cluttered as anyone else's. :-)

 --Jean




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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Official and Community brochures

[Jean Weber]

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:

 Hi Jean,

 Le 2013-07-14 04:01, Jean Weber a écrit :

  I linked from the Marketing Materials page to the Brochure Types page and
 put links to the existing brochures (all community version) on the
 Brochure
 Types page.

 I was going to do the official versions of the Our Community brochure,
 but I have not had time. I might get to that tomorrow, but probably not.

 --Jean


 We do have an official repository that is co-managed with the design team.
 It lists all of the officially agreed-to materials by both groups. You
 will find the link on the 3rd menu line Artwork Resources on the
 marketing wiki page. I recently changed the name as there was a problem
 with new-comers to the design list not knowing that it was a shared area
 with marketing, although now I can see that the name itself for our
 purposes is not descriptive enough and now leads to confusion with new
 marketing members. Perhaps I should just change it back to Marketing
 Resources??? -- it is names Artwork Resources on the design team's wiki
 menu line.

 Anyway, on that particular page, we post our resources that have been
 approved by the design members and also approved by the marketing team.
 Thus, you will find all our recent logos, marketing materials etc. on this
 page. Many of our marketing materials go through a process of needing an
 approval from the design team and then the marketing team.

 As you mention, and, as with many parts of our project, this area is also
 in need of a clean-up, but mostly with adding any new items that have been
 approved by our two groups and is used in any official capacity either on
 an official or community level. We try not to remove older approved
 materials as they are sometimes recycled into use or modified and updated.

 I would prefer the download links kept on this page as it is central to
 our work in marketing resources and making it central to everyone. We can
 still link to the wiki workpages of the brochure types, remembering that
 the brochure types wiki pages are for working purposes. IMO, the brochure
 types pages are too busy for people who are looking to download the
 brochure while the Artwork Resources page are there to reposit our items
 for the purposes of downloads. The brochure types pages are mostly our
 scratchpads to our final products.

 Let me know if there are any problems with this. And, yup, our marketing
 pages are also in need of cleaning up too.

 Cheers,

 Marc



Marc,
You said,  You will find the link on the 3rd menu line Artwork Resources
on the marketing wiki page.

Actually, no, I DO NOT see that link, either on the main marketing page or
on the marketing materials page. If it's there, it's so obscure that it
might as well not exist.

I don't care where the links are kept as long as that place is easy to find
-- that is, linked logically from places where an occasional visitor might
be expected to look. It would *never* occur to me to look under Artwork
Resources for brochures! (Even if I could find Artwork Resources, which
I can't find.)

I agree that the brochuretypes page is not a good place to put approved
items, because it is too busy.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Official and Community brochures

[Jean Weber]

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:

 Le 2013-07-14 22:17, Jean Weber a écrit :


 Marc,
 You said,  You will find the link on the 3rd menu line Artwork
 Resources
 on the marketing wiki page.

 Actually, no, I DO NOT see that link, either on the main marketing page or
 on the marketing materials page. If it's there, it's so obscure that it
 might as well not exist.

 I don't care where the links are kept as long as that place is easy to
 find
 -- that is, linked logically from places where an occasional visitor might
 be expected to look. It would *never* occur to me to look under Artwork
 Resources for brochures! (Even if I could find Artwork Resources, which
 I can't find.)

 I agree that the brochuretypes page is not a good place to put approved
 items, because it is too busy.

 --Jean


 The link is here: 
 https://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/**Marketinghttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing...
  3rd line down on the menu line (green) Artwork Resources. It will
 take you to our resources page.

 The link title just needs to be relabelled to be more descriptive.


Ah, I see it now. I don't think to look in the green bars at the top, and
I'm sure I'm not the only person who doesn't look there. In fact, I didn't
realise until now that the third line was a sub-menu of whatever was
highlighted in the second line; if I thought about it at all, I thought it
was a continuation of the second line. Looking very, very carefully now, I
see that the third line is a slightly paler colour than the second line;
had I noticed that before, that might have given me a clue. IMO that link
should also be in the Index of Pages on the right-hand side.

I had never seen this page before:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements
I'm glad I'm now aware of it.
I note on that page there is a link to LibreOffice Flyers not
Brochures, so there is a terminology confusion here.
That link takes me here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Gallery_Flyers
which (as I'm sure you know) needs a lot of work to make useful. It mixes
up flyers and pamphlets and brochures and doesn't group them in any
useful way. Well, it does say Under construction.

Sorry, I'm being overly critical. But let's leave things where I put them
until someone cleans up the page where you want them to be. I can't help
with that; I'm leaving tomorrow on my overseas trip and am unlikely to have
time to work on it.

--Jean

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Fwd: [libreoffice-marketing] Developer-specific brochure

[Jean Weber]

Cor's handout had a QR code, which I intend to use. --Jean

On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 Hi :)
 QR code anyone?

 It's just occurred to me that i've never seen a QR Code so that people can
 effectively 'click' on the leaflet with their smart-phone and be taken to a
 useful wiki-page or something.  Different QR Codes could take people to
 different parts of the site.  Perhaps 1 for the downloads page and 1 for
 further information relevant to the type of person the leaflet is aimed
 at.

 If you are using GnuLinux there are various simple QR Code generators that
 just require you to feed in the target web-page and the generator then spits
 out a gif or png that works with all smart-phones; iPhones, Android and even
 Windows (if the person has found a reliable QR reader (does a Windows phone
 count as smart?)).  iPons and Android tend to either have such readers by
 default or make them easy to findinstall.

 Regards from
 Tom :)



 
 From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com
 To: Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl
 Cc: LibreO - Marketing Global marketing@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 9:30
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Developer-specific brochure

 snip /



 Cor,
 I've looked at the flyers, but what I want for this conference is
 something with more specific information, to hand to people who
 express an interest or ask questions I can't answer. So I'm looking
 again at what I might be able to pull out of the website or wiki.
 Things like: what language LO is coded in and and what tools are
 commonly used. As well as licensing  whatever other info a hacker
 might want to know up front.

 --Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Developer-specific brochure

[Jean Weber]

On 29/06/2013, at 1:07, Charles-H. Schulz 
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Le Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:04:00 -0400,
 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com a écrit :
 
 Le 2013-06-27 16:42, Jean Weber a écrit :
 I would really like to have a brochure aimed specifically at
 developers for use at OSCON (Open Source Conference) in July, but
 I'm not a developer so I don't know what is most relevant and
 important to include.
 
 I could start with info from http://www.libreoffice.org/developers/
 and https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development and then ask for
 comments and improvements from developers. Not sure there is time
 for this, but it's certainly a brochure that is needed for other
 conferences, so someone's got to start on it sometime.
 
 I'll see what I can do over the next few days. No promises; a lot is
 going on in Documentation right now.
 
 --Jean
 
 What we really need on this one is for a developer on the marketing
 to take the lead on this and to put up a bulleted list of items that
 should be included in such a brochure and we can take care of the
 marketing filler text.
 
 Maybe this could be an item put on the ESC committee list of items of 
 discussion for a more complete discussion of the contents of that
 brochure.
 
 I think it would be cutting it really short for OSCON, but yes, this 
 should really be on our next hit list of brochures.
 
 After the dev brochure, I was hoping to work on an accessibility 
 brochure as we are still in need of gaining more devs interest in
 that particular branch of our project. This is particularly important
 for large scale installations (whether in a business environment or
 academic environment). I think this brochure will be a little
 challenging to work on.
 
 Contrarian mode
 But this begs the question: do developers really read these brochures? 
 I'm afraid we're getting swamped in designing brochures as if everybody
 actually ready them...
 
 /Contrarian mode
 
 Thanks,


I've been thinking along much the same lines as Charles. While it's useful and 
often important to have fact sheets on specific topics or aimed at specific 
audiences, a trifold brochure may not be the most appropriate format in all 
cases. 

For OSCON, I think I will slightly amend the page from the website and/or or 
wiki and print a 1 page handout in portrait orientation instead if a trifold 
brochure. Then when debs ask me questions (as they did at SCALE) I have 
something to hand them with more technical info. Yes, I'll run it by the list 
first. 

--Jean


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Developer-specific brochure

[Jean Weber]

On 29/06/2013, at 4:28, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:

 It also shows that we care of whom we are writing about, as it's in a format 
 that is usually seen as an official marketing document that was put together 
 with thought. Printing a page out (yes I saw Jean's note on printing out a 
 page with details), to me, shows that is was thrown together really quickly, 
 a brochure needs a little more care and gives a little move added value than 
 a page.

Many people, including me and a lot of geeks I know, view official marketing 
documents with suspicion, assuming they will likely be full of hype and empty 
words, with little factual content of interest. For some people, a simple fact 
sheet is much more likely to be read. 

--Jean


 As for whether they read it or not, if we make a good show of it, they will 
 read it. I would think that we would have more problems with the casual 
 reader reading through our General and also our Community brochures would be 
 the one that we would worry about; the information is less specific and a 
 casual reader may just become disinterested as they may not see anything of 
 interest that catches their eyes.
 
 Brochures aimed to specific groups will have less of a problem with 
 disinterest, and will have more specific and to the point information for 
 that particular group. They should be more factual, to the point, more 
 bulleted and definitely less of marketing hype.
 
 IMO, once we have brochures set up for all of the different types of groups, 
 it will be easier for us to update the information in them as we move along 
 our community growth. Plus, the nl groups will also have some marketing 
 materials they can work with and translate.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Marc
 

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[libreoffice-marketing] Developer-specific brochure

[Jean Weber]

I would really like to have a brochure aimed specifically at
developers for use at OSCON (Open Source Conference) in July, but I'm
not a developer so I don't know what is most relevant and important to
include.

I could start with info from http://www.libreoffice.org/developers/
and https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development and then ask for
comments and improvements from developers. Not sure there is time for
this, but it's certainly a brochure that is needed for other
conferences, so someone's got to start on it sometime.

I'll see what I can do over the next few days. No promises; a lot is
going on in Documentation right now.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Draft brochure for community recruitment

[Jean Weber]

I have included some more tweaks by Marc and me, and lightened the
photos. I've also made a US-Letter version, which is the one I'll be
using for OSCON, since I'll get the printing done in the US.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-CommunityBrochure-OurCommunity-USltr.odt

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-CommunityBrochure-OurCommunity-A4.odt

--Jean

On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 I can tweak the photos, and I will do so.

 Marc, re legal issues about group photos, is there a difference between 
 printed photos and ones on the web?

 --Jean

 On 25/06/2013, at 23:00, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:

 I printed out the brochure on my B/W with cover stock and it is fine, 
 although, I can't help but think that the photos need some tweaking, they 
 are a little too dark.

 BTW and FYI ... the laws in Canada are being reinforced with respect to 
 group shots. I am in the middle of a marketing video production workshop 
 and we are being advised that group shots like these need release forms from 
 ALL people in the shots. Our workshop instructors (they own their own video 
 production company) are advising us not to use any group shots or street 
 shots unless you get a release form/contract from all of the people in the 
 shots regardless of the number of people in the shot. You could try to blur 
 the faces, but, even then, there are software packages now that enable the 
 un-blurring of photos which makes blurring of faces even impossible to use 
 (our police forces in Canada use un-blurring techniques to catch online 
 child molesters) -- if the photos can be un-blurred then the privacy laws 
 apply.

 I am not sure how that would impact the photos if there were any Canadians 
 in the shots. We may not be able to print out the brochure in Canada unless 
 we had a copy of a release forms from all of the people in the photos or 
 risk legal action from a Canadian in the shot who would object to her/his 
 photo being published. I am sure that other country laws may apply here as 
 well.

 Cheers,

 Marc


 Le 2013-06-25 07:22, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :

 I printed a test of that brochure and have two comments

 1]
 Since there are two photos on the front panel, it bleeds through the
 standard paper.

 I printed it out again with heavier cover stock paper [not as heavy as
 card stock] and there was not image bleed through.

 So, it prints well on home/office inkjet printers, as long as you use
 the heavier, thicker, paper.  I use cover stock since it is stiff enough
 and runs through my printers better than card stock paper.  Now if you
 are lucky to have a colored laser printer, then the standard weight
 paper you use for printing [20-27 lb or about 75 g/m^_2 ] should work
 fine. Cover stock paper is about 67 lb in weight, while card stock is
 about 110 lb.

 2]
 For my inkjet printers, it seems that photos/images print out a bit
 darker than what appears on the monitor.  When I print out photos on
 photo paper it does not do this though.  So maybe you should modify the
 photos, i.e. brightness and contrast editing, so the photos print out
 better.  The top group photo may have issues for this type of editing,
 since it is a dark room photo.  Maybe it could be edited from the
 original source file, though.

 Jean, Marc
 you are doing a good job taking the leadership of the brochure[s]
 project.  I thank you and all of the others that are helping to get this
 type of marketing tool out to our people.  I know it is hard to get
 people to follow up and look at LO's web site, if you do not give them a
 brochure or other handout.  Business cards do not cut it.

 Thanks again.

 Tim L.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Draft brochure for community recruitment

[Jean Weber]

On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:
 Hi Jean,

 Jean Weber wrote (24-06-13 07:47)

 This is my first draft of a brochure aimed at recruiting developers
 and other active community members. Comments on text and suggestions
 for improvements are welcome. [...]


 Had a quick look (need to go soon) and it looks as a good and clear overview
 of all that we do  need. Thanks!
 When possible, you could try to get some nice image(s) in. But then you need
 to find (or ask on the design list) and shorten some of the text, what will
 be hard :)

 Look forward to the final versions!

 Cor


Perhaps an image on the cover page? A room full of hackers at work?

--Jean

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[libreoffice-marketing] Draft brochure for community recruitment

[Jean Weber]

This is my first draft of a brochure aimed at recruiting developers
and other active community members. Comments on text and suggestions
for improvements are welcome. I want to move this along as quickly as
possible because I need to get it printed in time to use it at OSCON
(22-16 July).

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-CommunityBrochure-OurCommunity-A4.odt

--Jean

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[libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: [lca-announce] linux.conf.au Call For Proposals

[Jean Weber]

I plan to submit some proposals. Who among the more technical people plans to 
do the same?

Jean


Begin forwarded message:

 From: linux.conf.au Announcements lca-annou...@lists.linux.org.au
 Date: 1 June 2013 20:05:38 AEST
 To: linux-aus linux-...@lists.linux.org.au, 
 lca-annou...@lists.linux.org.au, p...@plug.org.au p...@plug.org.au
 Subject: [lca-announce] linux.conf.au Call For Proposals
 Reply-To: lca-annou...@lists.linux.org.au
 
 === linux.conf.au Call For Proposals ===
 
 We are pleased to announce that the Call for Proposals for
 
 linux.conf.au 2014 is now open!
 
 The conference is a meeting place for the free and open source
 software communities. It will be held in Perth at the University of
 Western Australia from Monday 6 January to Friday 10 January, 2014,
 and provides a unique opportunity for open source developers,
 students, users and hackers to come together, share new ideas and
 collaborate.
 
 === Important Dates ===
 
 * Call for proposals opens: 1 June 2013
 * Call for proposals closes: 6 July 2013
 * Email notifications from papers committee: September 2013
 * Early Bird registrations open: 1 October 2013
 * Conference dates: Monday 6 January to Friday 10 January, 2014
 
 === Information on Proposals ===
 
 The linux.conf.au 2014 papers committee is looking for a broad range
 of proposals, and will consider submissions on anything from
 programming and software, to desktop, mobile, gaming, userspace,
 community, government, space and education. There is only one rule:
 
 _Your proposal must be related to open source_
 
 This year, the papers committee is going to be focused on linux on the
 frontier and deep technical content-- that might range from
 cybernetics and mobile operating environments to large astronomy
 projects and big data projects.
 
 However, the conference is to a large extent what the speakers make it
 -- if we receive many excellent submissions on a topic, then it’s sure
 to be represented at the conference. Here’s a few ideas to get you
 started:
 
 * The Cloud - What is it, how can we use it and why is it running on my 
 toaster?
 * Kernel and core systems: file systems, embedded devices
 * Networking: peer to peer networking, or tuning a TCP/IP stack
 * Desktop: office and productivity applications, peripherals, support
 * Mobile: kernel, applications, programming, challenges, user interfaces
 * Servers: clusters and supercomputers, databases and cloud computing
 * Embedded systems: constraints in storage/memory, real-time aspects,
 open hardware
 * Virtualisation: benefits, challenges, management, kernel and
 application support
 * Systems administration: maintaining large numbers of machines,
 disaster recovery
 * Security: application security, network security, cryptography,
 malware, viruses
 * Programming: programming languages, software engineering practices,
 testing, continuous integration/deployment, different development
 methodologies, version control
 * Modern web technologies: Open source web browsers, HTML5, CSS3,
 JavaScript, web apps, accessibility
 * Audio and video: video editing, VoIP, WebRTC, video player
 development, live streaming
 * Open Community: licensing changes, patent threats, open data, open apis.
 * Free software use: home automation, IT, education, manufacturing,
 research, government applications, home security
 
 LCA is known for presentations and tutorials that are strongly
 technical in nature, but proposals for presentations on other aspects
 of free software and open culture, such as educational and cultural
 applications of open source, are welcome.
 
 === Code of Conduct ===
 
 linux.conf.au welcomes first-time and seasoned speakers from all free
 and open communities - people of all ages, genders, nationalities,
 ethnicities, backgrounds, religions, abilities, and walks of life. We
 respect and encourage diversity at our conference.
 
 By agreeing to present at or attend the conference, you are agreeing
 to abide by the terms and conditions
 (http://lca2014.linux.org.au/cor/terms_and_conditions). We expect all
 speakers and delegates to have read and understood our Code of Conduct
 (http://lca2014.linux.org.au/cor/code_of_conduct).
 
 === Format ===
 
 This year, there are three different ways that you can present your content:
 
 * Presentations
 * Tutorials
 * Mini conferences
 
 _Presentations_
 
 Presentations are 45 minute slots that are generally presented in
 lecture format. These form the bulk of the available conference slots.
 
 _Tutorials_
 
 Tutorials are 100 minutes that are generally presented in a classroom
 format. They should be interactive or hands-on in nature. Tutorials
 are expected to have a specific learning outcome for attendees.
 
 _Mini conferences_
 
 Mini conf’s are one to two day long sessions on a specific topic.  A
 separate CFP process will be used to propose and select mini conf’s,
 and will be announced publicly soon.
 
 For more information on miniconfs, see:
 

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Fwd: [lca-announce] linux.conf.au Call For Proposals

[Jean Weber]

On 12/06/2013, at 23:48, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:

 Le 2013-06-12 06:09, Jean Weber a écrit :
 I plan to submit some proposals. Who among the more technical people plans 
 to do the same?
 
 Jean
 
 By technical you mean devs? or QA?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Marc

I meant anything that fits into the list of what they're looking for better 
than things I know enough about to talk intelligently.

Jean
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[libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice 3.6 Base Handbook published

[Jean Weber]

LibreOffice 3.6 Base Handbook has been published. Thanks to the
authors of the original German book and those who translated, edited,
and proofread the English translation. Free PDFs can be downloaded
from here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Base_Handbook
Printed copies can be purchased here:
http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/libreoffice-36-base-handbook/13899494

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[libreoffice-marketing] Marketing materials must answer three questions

[Jean Weber]

Related to the brochures we are working on...
I was taught years ago by a friend who worked (very successfully) in fund 
raising that persuasive materials need to answer three (unstated) questions in 
the readers' minds:
So what? 
Who cares?
What's in it for me?

--Jean
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice stickers - proposal for odering

[Jean Weber]

On 18/05/2013, at 0:33, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:

 Hi,
 
 (One of the longer standing items...)
 
 Since producing stickers central and then shipping is most cost-effective, 
 and having some experience, I volunteer to order some kinds of stickers.
 
 We have/had two kinds:
  a. normal logo [1](110 X 35 mm)
  b. the love-variant [2]   (110 X 25 mm)
 
 I noticed at booths / sticker hand-outs that people also look for smaller 
 sizes. For - let me call it - guerilla-stickering ;)
 
 So I propose to do also do sizes 60 x 20 / 60 x 14
 (approximately - didn't check this with a printer.)
 
 If we a sort of agree, I can ask for the budget.
 
 Opinions?
 Maybe - when we work on it anyways - there's an addition design that we can 
 order for :-)
 
 Cheers,
 Cor
 
 1] 
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Guidelines_and_Best_Practices_3
 2] 
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Material#Stickers_.28Designs_for.29
 


I want at least 1,000 of the Love stickers (110x25) for OSCON, to be shipped to 
an address in the USA. I'll need them by 19 July. So I hope we can get a budget 
for them. I'll want more for other conferences starting in January next year, 
so perhaps 2,000 and I'll take some home with me after OSCON. They were very 
popular at SCALE this year.

--Jean
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: An early report on the Facebook ads

[Jean Weber]

On 15/05/2013, at 19:41, Charles-H. Schulz 
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Of course, one can always wonder what liking a page means regardless
 of any philosophical consideration, as that's my case. Do you like the
 page because you think it's a cool project, did you click out of boredom
 or did you actually download the software and use it? All good questions
 to ask...  :-)
 


FWIW, I often like a page so I can get posts from that page and keep up with 
whatever it's about. Usually it's something I'm in favour of, but not always. 
Sometimes I know little about the topic and want to learn more. Often I have no 
other involvement with whatever the page is about.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information

[Jean Weber]

On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Le 15/05/13 11:53 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :



 Hope to see a finished A4 size soon.
 I added that to the English DVD.

 Want to upload the 4.0.3 .iso file to the server system soon, so it will
 be available to users.  That is the only item[s] needed.


 We just need to proof the other 3 versions that I listed on my post[1]. Just
 read the post and it has all of the details of what is needed.

 Cheers,

 Marc

 [1]
 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentation.libreoffice.marketing/8178


I have proofed the A4 Community Brochure, made some hyphenation
changes, and uploaded the file here:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-A4.odt

I'm moving on now to looking at the Official brochures. I'm sure I'll
have some minor changes for them too. I'll let you know as soon as
I've done them.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information

[Jean Weber]

This topic should probably have a thread of its own. --Jean

On 15/05/2013, at 10:05, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 15/05/2013, at 7:54, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 
 As a point of discussion on the printing of .pdf's from .odt:
 
 I was hoping to promote our .odt file format and hope that the people who 
 download and print brochures would decide on their own to create the .pdf 
 brochure should they see a need for doing so. This way, we would be assured 
 that the person(s) would at least be using an ODF-compatible wordprocessor.
 
 This is more of a philosophical view of posting our materials and less of 
 practicality. Does it make it more difficult to print out our brochures? 
 Well yes, if you consider that some may just download the .pdf version and 
 go to print with Adobe Reader or another .pdf reader, and, not even bother 
 having a version of LibreOffice on their system. But IMO, I would then 
 rather see people use LibreOffice or another .odt compatible wordprocessor 
 do the work. This will at least ensure that our product and format stand out 
 as a good solid and professional working format from which to work. It would 
 help in establishing the ODF standard as a gold standard in office formats.
 
 We need to start displacing the .pdf format and we, the juggernaut that we 
 are, are well placed to do this; there are really only 2 elephants in the 
 room left and its LibreOffice and MSO.
 
 We can't keep saying that the ODF standard is the best of office suite 
 standards and then make use of the Adobe .pdf file to print our products. We 
 are well placed to encourage/influence more printing houses to host 
 LibreOffice solutions on their premises for printing purposes. The first 
 question users should say to their printing houses is Do you 
 service/support LibreOffice ODF printing? If the demand is there, the 
 service will follow. By continuing to make use of .pdf formats, we are 
 diminishing the demand of service for our own product.
 
 We use LibreOffice in-house for our production work and we know it's 
 strength as a serious work tool.
 
 IMO, we should start making our influence felt where we can. This will also 
 strengthen our product with groups who are considering adoption of our suite 
 as they will see our resolve to make the ODF formats more of the office 
 format standard of choice.
 
 Marc
 
 Two points:
 
 I travel with an iPad. I can download and print a PDF using the iPad. I 
 cannot (yet) run LO on my iPad. When LO is available on Android, that will 
 help other tablet users -- but not us iPad users. I don't think we should let 
 ideology get in the way of practicality.
 
 Also, I am of the camp that says, don't give people an editable file (from 
 any office suite or DTP program) unless you want them to be able to edit it. 
 I would *never* give an editable file to a printer, if I can possibly avoid 
 it, lest they accidentally change something.
 
 --Jean

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Re: automatic hyphenation Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Brochure-type: General Information

[Jean Weber]

I noticed that the paragraph STYLE did not have automatic hyphenation on, so 
apparently someone manually turned it on in the template (or the file) for some 
of the paragraphs. Bad habit to get into. We should learn how to use our own 
product properly.

--Jean

On 13/05/2013, at 17:51, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 I finally found it!  From the menus  
 
 Format - Paragraph - Text Flow - top tick box
 UNtick it to turn of automatic hyphenation
 Regards from 
 Tom :)  
 
 
 
 From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com
 Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2013, 2:06
 
 snip /
 
 * It would look a lot better if automatic hyphenation were turned off.
 
 snip /
 
 --Jean
 

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information

[Jean Weber]

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 12/05/2013, at 21:40, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:

 IMO, the only thing I would have a problem with is p.2, third panel, The 
 passage:

 * The LibreOffice user interface is available in many languages, even in 
 languages for which localized commercial software is not available. Support 
 for over 100 languages and still counting.

 The separation of the last two lines ... the last line languages and still 
 counting looks like it no longer belongs to the paragraph and we should 
 avoid hyphenating the word languages, By convention, we should be writing 
 one hundred when writing in paragraph form which would fix the problem, 
 but the number 100 has larger impact. I would then suggest remove the bold 
 sentence and just make 100 languages in bold and this still seems to bring 
 home the point that we support over 100 languages.


 Marc, using spelled-out numbers in text is only convention if you choose to 
 follow a style guide that insists on that. In science and technology, using 
 numerals is as much, or more, of a convention, partly because numerals are 
 more easily and quickly understood by people with English as a second 
 language. For example, our manuals use numerals for that reason.

 I'll look at your samples and make other comments when I get a chance.

 --Jean

Sorry about the delay. I looked at this yesterday, made a few tweaks
in the spacing of the leftmost column of the second page (your text
changes are fine with me), and then forgot to upload it. I've replaced
my earlier version of the US-Letter files. How is this?

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr_JHW.odt
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr_JHW.pdf

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure type: Community

[Jean Weber]

On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Let's get started on a list of points for this brochure as it is our next 
 priority.

 * our community offers developer meets (so far localized)
 * we have gone to sprints
 * QA meets
 * QA bug hunt marathons
 * support from the TDF to pay for members attending/representing 
 TDF/LibreOffice
 * use of IRC, Skype, Google etc. tools for some text or face to face 
 encounters
 * IRC used by our most active and contributing developers
 * groups such as marketing make use of collaborative work for PR's and 
 webpages

 Hmmm, do you think it would be best to break this down to the different
 teams and list what collectively they bring to the community?


I've started putting some of this discussion (and the one for the
Academia brochure) on the relevant wiki pages. Hope that's okay.

I'm now mulling over what I think would be useful to include in this
particular brochure. I'll add my points here on this thread and also
put them on the wiki page.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information

[Jean Weber]

On 12/05/2013, at 21:40, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:

 IMO, the only thing I would have a problem with is p.2, third panel, The 
 passage:
 
 * The LibreOffice user interface is available in many languages, even in 
 languages for which localized commercial software is not available. Support 
 for over 100 languages and still counting.
 
 The separation of the last two lines ... the last line languages and still 
 counting looks like it no longer belongs to the paragraph and we should 
 avoid hyphenating the word languages, By convention, we should be writing 
 one hundred when writing in paragraph form which would fix the problem, but 
 the number 100 has larger impact. I would then suggest remove the bold 
 sentence and just make 100 languages in bold and this still seems to bring 
 home the point that we support over 100 languages.
 

Marc, using spelled-out numbers in text is only convention if you choose to 
follow a style guide that insists on that. In science and technology, using 
numerals is as much, or more, of a convention, partly because numerals are more 
easily and quickly understood by people with English as a second language. For 
example, our manuals use numerals for that reason. 

I'll look at your samples and make other comments when I get a chance. 

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Brochure-type: General Information

[Jean Weber]

Tom, 

I have not been reading the discussion in detail, so I don't know what you mean 
by oddly indented bullet points.

Jean

On 11/05/2013, at 17:26, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 
 Bullet-points are still oddly indented.  

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information

[Jean Weber]

On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 5:07 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:

 Thanks! Looks great.

 * When you say conditional hyphenation, where is the option switch for it,
 I can't seem to find it in Options.

It's not in Options. What you do is turn OFF automatic hyphenation,
and then you put the cursor where you want the word break to occur (IF
it's at the end of a line -- that's the condition) and you press
Control+hyphen on the keyboard. So it's done on individual words,
usually at the end of the layout phase, to make things fit a bit
better into the space available.


 

 Could we also take a look at the following links (ignore the hyphenation
 problem)?

 We are trying to address Tom's complaint of p.2 panels 1 and 2.

 One of the corrections to the brochure that we could make is move the
 complete bulleted list started on panel 1 and move it to panel 2 ... and
 move the text from panel 2 -- panel 1.

 Just switching the text may address the spacing problem he mentions. Note
 that we should also consider the flow of information and see if moving the
 text has any impact on the understandability of the brochure.

 So, we may want to compare the versions of:

 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr_JHW.odt
 USLtr_JHW version

 with the posted demonstration version of:

 http://www.parentreprise.com/images/LibreOffice/JuggledColumnsBrochurev4.0GeneralInformation.odt

 Should we adopt the moved text version?

I'll look at the demo version a bit later when I have time, but I
think I can improve the bullet points indentation issue in another
way, less drastic that moving whole swags of text. Give me a few
hours. :-)

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information

[Jean Weber]

On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 5:07 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:

 Thanks! Looks great.

 * When you say conditional hyphenation, where is the option switch for it,
 I can't seem to find it in Options.

 It's not in Options. What you do is turn OFF automatic hyphenation,
 and then you put the cursor where you want the word break to occur (IF
 it's at the end of a line -- that's the condition) and you press
 Control+hyphen on the keyboard. So it's done on individual words,
 usually at the end of the layout phase, to make things fit a bit
 better into the space available.


 

 Could we also take a look at the following links (ignore the hyphenation
 problem)?

 We are trying to address Tom's complaint of p.2 panels 1 and 2.

 One of the corrections to the brochure that we could make is move the
 complete bulleted list started on panel 1 and move it to panel 2 ... and
 move the text from panel 2 -- panel 1.

 Just switching the text may address the spacing problem he mentions. Note
 that we should also consider the flow of information and see if moving the
 text has any impact on the understandability of the brochure.

 So, we may want to compare the versions of:

 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr_JHW.odt
 USLtr_JHW version

 with the posted demonstration version of:

 http://www.parentreprise.com/images/LibreOffice/JuggledColumnsBrochurev4.0GeneralInformation.odt

 Should we adopt the moved text version?

 I'll look at the demo version a bit later when I have time, but I
 think I can improve the bullet points indentation issue in another
 way, less drastic that moving whole swags of text. Give me a few
 hours. :-)

 --Jean


I think the layout of the demo version (with the text switched) is
definitely better visually.  I'll apply my editorial changes to the
text, and also tweak the indentation of the bullet lists, and get an
updated copy to you later today.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information

[Jean Weber]

On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 5:07 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:

 Thanks! Looks great.

 * When you say conditional hyphenation, where is the option switch for it,
 I can't seem to find it in Options.

 It's not in Options. What you do is turn OFF automatic hyphenation,
 and then you put the cursor where you want the word break to occur (IF
 it's at the end of a line -- that's the condition) and you press
 Control+hyphen on the keyboard. So it's done on individual words,
 usually at the end of the layout phase, to make things fit a bit
 better into the space available.


 

 Could we also take a look at the following links (ignore the hyphenation
 problem)?

 We are trying to address Tom's complaint of p.2 panels 1 and 2.

 One of the corrections to the brochure that we could make is move the
 complete bulleted list started on panel 1 and move it to panel 2 ... and
 move the text from panel 2 -- panel 1.

 Just switching the text may address the spacing problem he mentions. Note
 that we should also consider the flow of information and see if moving the
 text has any impact on the understandability of the brochure.

 So, we may want to compare the versions of:

 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr_JHW.odt
 USLtr_JHW version

 with the posted demonstration version of:

 http://www.parentreprise.com/images/LibreOffice/JuggledColumnsBrochurev4.0GeneralInformation.odt

 Should we adopt the moved text version?

 I'll look at the demo version a bit later when I have time, but I
 think I can improve the bullet points indentation issue in another
 way, less drastic that moving whole swags of text. Give me a few
 hours. :-)

 --Jean


 I think the layout of the demo version (with the text switched) is
 definitely better visually.  I'll apply my editorial changes to the
 text, and also tweak the indentation of the bullet lists, and get an
 updated copy to you later today.

 --Jean


Here is my latest iteration of the Letter version of the draft
brochure. See what you think.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LO4-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInfo-USLtr_JHW_rev.odt
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LO4-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInfo-USLtr_JHW_rev.pdf

I'll do the A4 version if you like this one.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Brochure-type: General Information

[Jean Weber]

On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Apologies for not having got to the brochure earlier. Comments:
 * It would look a lot better if automatic hyphenation were turned off.
 If some hyphenation is essential to make all the text fit in the space
 available, use conditional hyphenation.
 * There are some between-word spacing errors in the A4 version
 that are obviously caused by many extra spaces having been added
 (probably at the ends of lines in the USLtr version.
 These extra spaces need to be removed.
 * I have a LOT of suggestions for improvements in wording as well as a
 few punctuation corrections. I think the easiest way to handle this is
 for me to edit the file and create my version for everyone's consideration.
 I'll do that and upload to the wiki and post the links here.

 --Jean

Files here:

ODT
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-A4_JHW.odt
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr_JHW.odt

PDF
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-A4_JHW.pdf
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr_JHW.pdf

Apologies for lack of change tracking.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure type: Developers

[Jean Weber]

On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Hi Jean,

 Le 06/05/13 04:57 PM, Jean Weber a écrit :

 I've not been keeping up well, so this may have been covered already by
 Marc.

 With OSCON coming up in July, I need a brochure aimed at developers. This
 would definitely emphasize the community and why one might want to join and
 contribute.

 Or perhaps a slightly broader audience? Including QA, user support, docs?
 Again, emphasising participation rather than what's in it for me as a user
 or what's in it for my organization? which are the approaches I would use
 in, say, conferences for educators or non-profits.

 --Jean


 Would the community brochure-type be able to cover this? I think we could
 make a good brochure with all of the same elements you describe. We can work
 on it there. The workspace is on the wiki ready to fill[1].

 Cheers,

 Marc

 [1]
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/brochuretypes/LibreOfficeCommunity


Yes, I think a community brochure type could work well for OSCON and
similar conferences. I'll try to find time to add info to the wiki
page about what I think should be included, but I'm a bit overwhelmed
at the moment with life so I'm not sure when I'll find time... even
though having a suitable brochure is a priority for OSCON. So I hope
others will jump in quickly.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Brochure-type: Academia

[Jean Weber]

On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 I just realized that when I was filling in the brochure-type: Education
 wiki page that it would just make sense to do the brochure-type Academia at
 the same time.

 So, what points would you like included in the Academia brochure. NOTE: that
 by Academia we are talking of using LibreOffice in a higher learning
 environment such as College or University etc.

 Feel free to develop this thread and I will fill up the wiki workspace page
 with the details[1] that you suggest here. Don't worry about the number of
 points that you suggest, we can prioritize the list later when we talk about
 putting the content into text for the brochure.

 Cheers,

 Marc

 [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/brochuretypes/Academia

Academia including research papers, conference papers, other items
requiring formatting to specific templates, heavy use of
bibliographies and citations; also conference posters and other things
-- in addition to whatever else that might overlap general educational
needs.

Hmmm... wondering how well LO fits into situations where a lot of the
interaction is online, as is common at universities today. I gather
classes use Google Docs extensively, for example.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Brochure type: Community

[Jean Weber]

For my purposes, this brochure needs to tell people how they can contribute to 
the project, what's in it for them if they choose to do so, and what a great 
community we have that they would enjoy being a part of while at the same time 
contributing to a great product. 

So in this particular case, we're selling the community more than the product.

Of course the brochure should be eye-catching as well. And not have too many 
words. Tl;dr doesn't sell anything well IMO.

--Jean

On 10/05/2013, at 13:35, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 So, again it will be people that have already been attraced to the product 
 and just want to learn more?  It doesn't have to be eye-catching in it's own 
 right?
 Regards from 
 Tom :)  
 
 
 
 From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com
 To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org 
 Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013, 2:58
 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Brochure type: Community
 
 
 Our next priority brochure will be the Community brochure. Jean is 
 going to OSCON in July and asks if we could get it ready for the 
 conference. It is always better to get it done earlier for others to 
 use. Our nl teams will want to work the brochure once it is done.
 
 The community brochure's target audience will be people interested in 
 the following areas: developers, QA, support, documentation, design 
 (both Visual Identification and UX), translation etc. (yeh, I know there 
 are more). So the list is long and we have only a brochure to fill from 
 the point of view of [*community*].
 
 Add your points that you think we should be writing of in the brochure. 
 Don't worry if there are too many items, we will prioritize the list at 
 the point of writing the text. We are looking for content items.
 
 Just add to this thread and I (or someone else) will take care of adding 
 them to the workspace wiki page that has been set up. We are doing the 
 writing of the brochure in steps.[1]
 
 Cheers,
 
 Marc
 
 [1] 
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/brochuretypes/LibreOfficeCommunity
 
 
 -- 
 Marc Paré

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information

[Jean Weber]

Tom,
Base works fine for the many users who don't do anything more than dead simple 
stuff, so it's not a horribly broken nightmare for most people. Of course, 
for those affected, that's no doubt true. 

But give it a rest; by continually carrying on about it on the marketing list 
you accomplish nothing other than annoying people, most of whom can't solve the 
problem anyway.

Marc, I think your phrasing is good. The also definitely is appropriate and 
needed.

--Jean

On 10/05/2013, at 14:08, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 Yes, i took also out because when used with the internal back-end Base is a 
 horribly broken nightmare.  It's only when used with an external back-end, 
 such as an up-to-date untweaked version of HsqlDB (rather than the ancient 
 mangled one inside Base) or even better with MySql / MariaDB or PostgreSQL or 
 others that Base really becomes quite powerful.  
 
 If i was trying to sell a car i wouldn't start the sales-pitch by pointing 
 out the flat wheels and rattling exhaust-pipe!  
 Regards from 
 Tom :)  
 
 
 
 From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com
 To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org 
 Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 21:49
 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information
 
 
 Sorry for getting back to this so late.
 
 Thanks for the input Italo. I'll change the text. I also like Tom's 
 version but I think without the also it sounds as if Base does not 
 come as an installed database. If we were to put also back in, then 
 the impression is that Base is an installed database but could also act 
 as a frontend to the databases you mention.
 
 How about if we had:
 
 Base is a desktop database designed to meet the needs of most users. 
 It is a valuable and powerful asset to link to the other LibreOffice 
 applications.  Base can also be a good front-end to many 
 enterprise-class databases such as MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL.
 
 Would this sound better? I think with the also included it clarifies 
 what Base is all about, but, mentioning the MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL 
 also shows that it is extensible.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Marc
 
 
 Le 06/05/13 12:00 PM, Tom Davies a écrit :
 Hi :)
 +1
 Perhaps remove also as Base is at it's strongest when used as a 
 front-end.  It seems to be  the default way of using Base and it's much 
 easier to get Base to co-operate with that than it is with Access.  So, 
 perhaps
 
 
 Writer is a full-featured word processing application, which can also
 work as a desktop publishing tool. It's simple enough to use for a quick 
 memo, but powerful enough to create complete books with contents,
 diagrams and indexes. You're free to concentrate on your message, while
 Writer will make it look great.
 
 Base is a desktop database
 designed to meet the needs of most users.  It is a valuable and powerful
 asset to link to the other LibreOffice applications.  Base can  be a good 
 front-end to many enterprise-class databases such as MySql/MariaDB or 
 PostgreSQL.
 
 
 Regards from
 
 Tom :)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com
 To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Monday, 6 May 2013, 16:30
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information
 
 
 Il 06/05/2013 17:18, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto:
 
 Italo?
 
 I would change slightly the Writer text and tone down the Base one.
 
 My proposal:
 
 Writer is a full-featured word processing application, which can also work 
 as a desktop publishing tool. It's simple enough to use for a quick memo, 
 but powerful enough to create complete books with contents, diagrams and 
 indexes. You're free to concentrate on your message, while Writer will 
 make it look great.
 
 Base is a desktop database designed to meet the needs of most users. It is 
 a valuable and powerful asset to link to the other LibreOffice 
 applications. Base can also be used as a front-end to many 
 enterprise-class databases.
 
 -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com
 mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it
 skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Open Help Conference Sprints 2013

[Jean Weber]

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 Hi :)
 Closing date for applications is in a couple of days time.  The 14th.  That's 
 this month, May.

That is when the room block at the hotel closes, NOT when registration
($100) for the conference itself closes. AFAIK, one could register as
late as the day of the conference. If one were local and didn't need a
hotel room, or if one could find a room elsewhere in the area, no
problem.

--Jean


 From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com
To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013, 0:19
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Open Help Conference  Sprints 2013



I did not know that the Brooklyn Bridge was in Cincinnati [laugh over
the image].

I wish I still could travel.  That is about a half day traveling from
me.  I use to drive back and forth to Columbus OH many time in the '80s.

The conference is in mid-June, so if someone really wanted to they might
be able to set up a table there.  It is all up to some people who want
to do it and then get it done.  Of course if it is not too late to
order a table.

I do not remember, but were there someone on our marketing lists, or use
to be, that lived in Ohio?  I thought I saw a reference to one on one of
the wiki pages, maybe the one where there were names and country/state
locations where they lived.


On 05/06/2013 03:37 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 Thanks :)  I meant to pass this on to this list ages ago.  Sorry i didn't!  
 Is there anyone already near enough, perhaps even living in Ohio, that can 
 register in the short time left?

 http://openhelpconference.com/

 I think there is not enough time left to get a proper LibreOffice / TDF 
 presence there but perhaps enough time for individuals to show up and look 
 around?  It's good to note that it's an annual event.

 Regards from

 Tom :)



 
 From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com
 To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Monday, 6 May 2013, 15:36
 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Open Help Conference  Sprints 2013


 I have added this event to our website and wiki webcalendars.

 Cheers,

 Marc

 Le 06/05/13 05:37 AM, Tom Davies a écrit :


 
 From: Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org
 To: documentat...@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Monday, 6 May 2013, 2:35
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Open Help Conference  Sprints 
 2013


 Hi Tom,

 I haven't seen any registrations from any LibreOffice folks. In case
 anybody is considering coming, I want to mention that the hotel room
 block is only available until May 14. Hotel rooms downtown will be
 hard to find after the room block is released.

 Let me know if I can do anything to help.

 Thanks,
 Shaun

 On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 20:58 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 Has anyone booked in either as participant or to lead a session or give 
 a talk?


 Does anyone know if it got onto the Marketing Lists Calendar?

 Regards from

 Tom :)



 
 From: Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org
 To: documentat...@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Monday, 25 February 2013, 22:37
 Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Open Help Conference  Sprints 
 2013


 Hi all,

 I'm hosting the Open Help Conference  Sprints again this year
 on June 15-19 in Cincinnati, Ohio, USA.

 http://openhelpconference.com/

 The first two days are the conference portion. Abut half the
 time is devoted to presentations, with the rest used for open,
 attendee-led discussion. This format provides some structure,
 but still lets everybody share their experiences.

 On June 17-19, multiple open source documentation teams have
 documentation sprints. This year I have four rooms of various
 sizes, centered around a common break area. Sprints are great
 for building communities and putting focus on a project.

 Jean joined us last year. I'm not holding my breath that she'll
 make the long trip from down under again, but it would be nice
 to see some more LibreOffice documentation people.

 Let me know if you have any questions.

 Thanks,
 Shaun

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Open Help Conference Sprints 2013

[Jean Weber]

Marc:
No, I see no advantage of getting someone there with brochures.

The conference is for people *working on* documentation and/or help
systems (or at least involved in some way, such as leading a docs
group, or aspiring to do so -- or in other forms of user support that
interact with documentation and help) for open source projects, to
share experiences and information.

In addition to the talks and demos, there was a lot of discussion,
including about community building, community management, and related
topics, which would be valuable to anyone involved in some part of the
LO project.

This page might give everyone a better idea:
http://openhelpconference.com/2013/sessions

--Jean


On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Hi Jean

 Le 07/05/13 09:38 PM, Jean Weber a écrit :

 Uh, Marc, if we're still discussing the conference in the subject
 line,*there are no tables*. It's a small (less than 50 person)

 conference, very participatory. See my other note on this subject.

 --Jean


 Sorry, I seem to remember reading it, but cannot seem to find it again. Yes,
 do you see any advantage of our getting someone there with brochures? It
 looks like Lyle is still very much engaged in the promotion of LibreOffice
 (you need to visit his site to appreciate this)[1].

 Was your experience last year more that it was a meet where most people
 spoke either formally and informally of their organization and where anyone
 going to the conference should be more intimately involved in some part of
 the project? Maybe in this case, just getting a LibreOffice representative
 is not enough?

 Thanks for the info.

 Cheers,

 Marc

 [1] http://bytepowered.org/

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Official/Community pamphlet types proposals

[Jean Weber]

Tom,

There is a better way to do that, which doesn't mess up other things
and doesn't affect any other document except the one you're changing.
In the ODT file, change the Internet Link character style for the
document.

--Jean

On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 It is possible to stop the underlinings and blue links.  I do it by brute 
 force just by reformatting the links to force them out of having 
 underlinings.  I could do a more elegant way by changing the settings in
 Tools - Options - Appearance
 but that might mess up other things for me so i don't.



 From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com

Hmm, how about it we labelled it in such a way as to make it clear to
people that the .pdf version was an electronic version specifically
optimized for electronic posting and not for printing? We could list the
reasons why it is not preferable to use this version for printing ...
underlined links throughout the brochure which would make for an ugly print!

We can then advise that anyone wishing to print any of the
print-optimized version to take care of this on their own. At least this
will allow the people printing the .odf version to have a little more
control over the .pdf version for their print jobs.

Do you think this would be OK?

Cheers,

Marc

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Open Help Conference Sprints 2013

[Jean Weber]

On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Hi Tim, and everyone,

 Le 06/05/13 07:19 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :

 I do not remember, but were there someone on our marketing lists, or use
 to be, that lived in Ohio?  I thought I saw a reference to one on one of
 the wiki pages, maybe the one where there were names and country/state
 locations where they lived.


 Yes, we did/do-maybe have someone. You can find the list of our US people on
 our States table[1]. BTW ... if anyone else is from the US and would like to
 offer their help as a contact person in their state feel free to add your
 name (or we can help you add your name too). We definitely need to see more
 American names on the grid ... it serves 300 million people.

 Tim: Lyle (the Ohio person) may be interested in going. As you are in the
 general area (I am not sure of the distance, maybe you are not as close),
 could you send him an email and see if he would like to man a table? We
 could then check to see if there is any extra $$$ to help out. We could also
 offer him some support and work out a budget for what he would need if he
 went.


Uh, Marc, if we're still discussing the conference in the subject
line, *there are no tables*. It's a small (less than 50 person)
conference, very participatory. See my other note on this subject.

--Jean

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[libreoffice-marketing] Linux Conference Australia 2014

[Jean Weber]

Linux Conf Au 2014 will be 6-10 January in Perth, Western Australia. 
Call for papers opens 1 June. They will probably have their usual
Open Day on the following Saturday (11th). I shall plan to attend, 
request a table for TDF/LO, and propose a talk and a mini Conf, as
I did last year. Developers would be more likely to have talks 
accepted, so I hope others will also make proposals.
http://lca2014.linux.org.au/

Marc, please add to calendar. 

--Jean
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[libreoffice-marketing] Education technology conference in Australia

[Jean Weber]

I think we should consider exhibiting at the EduTech Conference  Exhibition in 
Australia. http://www.edutech.net.au/exhibit.html

Although their website shows a few small stands available for this
year's exhibition, the lead time is really too short for us. Also I
assume that the cost is quite steep; I haven't asked what it does
cost or if any discounted or free spaces are available to nonprofit 
organisations. 

--Jean
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Education technology conference in Australia

[Jean Weber]

On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Charles-H. Schulz
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 Hello Jean,

 Le vendredi 03 mai 2013 à 16:56 +1000, Jean Weber a écrit :
 I think we should consider exhibiting at the EduTech Conference  Exhibition 
 in Australia. http://www.edutech.net.au/exhibit.html

 Although their website shows a few small stands available for this
 year's exhibition, the lead time is really too short for us. Also I
 assume that the cost is quite steep; I haven't asked what it does
 cost or if any discounted or free spaces are available to nonprofit
 organisations.

 Surely we could plan this for the next year, and get the right figures
 and logistics needed. Do you think you can come up with this information
 and planning?


It's on my To Do list now. :-)

And I'm looking around for other opportunities in Australia and New Zealand.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] (Portland OR, US) OSCON 2013 Program Announced -- July 22-26 2013

[Jean Weber]

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Charles-H. Schulz
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 Hello Jean,

 Le Sun, 7 Apr 2013 19:48:16 +1000,
 Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com a écrit :

  On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com
  wrote:
 
  FYI, the program at OSCON 2013. There are many speakers and
  sessions planned. If you are free at that time, you may want to
  attend.[1][2]
 
  Cheers,
 
  Marc
 
  [1]
  http://post.oreilly.com/form/oreilly/viewhtml/9z1zc8mdpphcvph262lrntt5ff8ojf2gnr9kkl3up68?imm_mid=0a4e13cmp=em-code-os13-em03-reg-open-sol-test-control
  [2]
  http://www.oscon.com/oscon2013/public/schedule/grid?imm_mid=0a4e13cmp=em-code-os13-em03-reg-open-sol-test-control

 On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I would love to attend OSCON and run a TDF/LO booth there (assuming
  we could get allocated one), BUT two things would be required: (1)
  commitments from several people (at least 2; 3 or 4 would be
  better), preferably people who know more about code than I do, to
  work a minimum number of hours at the booth; and (2) airfare as
  well as hotel costs for me.
 
  As many people know, I attended OSCON last year on behalf of
  TDF/LO, but I made the decision to go far too late to request booth
  space. IMO it's a great opportunity to publicise ourselves among
  coders and do some recruitment.
 
  The Community Leadership Summit is once again being held the
  weekend before OSCON, and that is also a great opportunity for
  TDF/LO. If I were to make the trip, I would attend that conference
  as well; it's free, though the hotel room isn't.
 
  --Jean


 Being an incurable optimist, I have submitted an application for
 TDF/LO to have a booth in the OSCON 2013 Nonprofit Pavilion. Their
 page says that I will be contacted on or before May 2. I shall do some
 preliminary planning but not make any commitments (that aren't fully
 refundable) until I find out if we've been accepted.

 Preliminary planning includes seeking out people to share the fun of
 staffing the booth.

 --Jean


 And you're right to be an optimist. I believe that, given the new
 donations we got, I can clear up your request, so, let's go :-)

 Best,
 --
 Charles-H. Schulz


Our application for a booth at OSCON has been approved. I shall start
making arrangements for the items we'll need.

VERY IMPORTANT: We need people to help staff the booth. I can't do it
all myself. I have two possible volunteers, but as no one can be sure
this far in advance that they'll be able to attend, and no one should
be expected to spend all their time at the booth, we need more people
who can put in at least an hour's work at a time (such as lunch, so we
can take turns eating) and/or help with setup (some time Tuesday
afternoon) and/or pulldown (Thursday evening).

--Jean Hollis Weber


Here is more info about the event.


Expo Hall Dates / Hours

OSCON happens July 22-26, 2013 in Portland, OR. The Expo Hall is open
Tuesday evening through Thursday evening. Hours are as follows:

Tuesday, July 23:
5:00pm – 6:00pm (Opening Reception)

Wednesday, July 24
10:00am 4:40pm
5:40pm – 7:00pm (Booth Crawl)

Thursday, July 25
10:00am – 5:00pm


What's Included
---
As part of the Nonprofit Pavilion, the following items are complementary:

- (1) One counter-height table in the OSCON Expo Hall plus two chairs.
(Note: this space does *not* include electrical power or internet
access, however both are available for a fee.)
- (2) Exhibitor Booth Staff passes for booth personnel (includes
Wednesday and Thursday lunches)
- (1) OSCON 3-Day Pass (Wednesday - Friday)
- Logo, link, and 50-word description on oscon.com and in the OSCON
mobile event app

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Indian academic institutions forced to use MS Office

[Jean Weber]

On 26/04/2013, at 23:57, Charles-H. Schulz 
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Hello Marc,
 
 
 Le Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:15:07 -0400,
 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com a écrit :
 
 HI Kannan and Charles,
 
 If we are to expound the values of LibreOffice in the educational
 sphere we need to list those values that really count. We already
 know of the obvious ones of file compatibility etc., but we need to
 work on the assets that really count to educational organizations.
 Here is what I believe LibreOffice needs to offer to become a solid
 contender in the educational organization office suite arena.
 
 
 
 What I believe would be on an educational IT list of must-haves
 
 
 
 * LTS version (like it or not, an LTS version is most likely a 
 show-stopper for most educational organizations here in N.America
 (not sure how much in EU or Asian etc markets), this is just the
 reality of the way the system works. Educational organizations work
 on long range planning and they do not like software where there is
 no long term support -- 2 yrs LTS is what I would consider the
 shortest acceptable term, and, even then, there would most likely be
 push back at such a short term, even making it 2.5yrs would be better
 than only 2yr LTS. Regarding LTS versions and LibreOffice: we just
 can't seem to acknowledge/admit to the need for an LTS version. We
 seem to think that the system will bend to our will, but it does not
 nor will it. Educational organizations work on fixed income delivered
 through political policy, these policies come with fixed terms and
 thus, budgets also then come with fixed terms of expenses. All IT is
 then measured by predictable costs of expense and LTS versions offer
 this -- that is to say, an LTS version represents to IT staff a
 predictable expense cost over a certain term of months/yrs. If you
 manage a small educational setup of 10,000 computers, then paying the
 MSO tax for an LTS version is a lot less trouble than going with
 another office suite that has no LTS and thus possible unpredictable
 costs of maintenance and trouble-shooting. Even FF has recognized
 this and has its own LTS version that is used by the edu. 
 organizations.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Firefox#Extended_Support_Release])
 
 * easily configurable to cloud solutions (we need to list the 
 solutions). Educational organizations do not really care of MSO365 or
 of the MS cloud. They would prefer to work things out on their
 intranet. Different stack solutions are more interesting to them. I
 would suggest we propose a working variety of stacks, with proof of
 concept where educational organizations could see it at work, Some
 organizations may in fact team up with LibreOffice to make this work.
 
 * available and accredited support solutions for large enterprise 
 installations (this is a must!!!) (if we are saving the organizations
 a large chunk of their budget, it then makes sense that they will
 have a bit of it to pay for IT support from TDF/LibreOffice
 accredited sources, it is pretty certain that the educational IT
 departments will use this money for technical help. All levels of
 help will most likely be best to make available to the organizations.)
 
 * available on many operating systems (we already have this)
 
 * a robust help network from experienced users (we already have this)
 
 * QA response (I don't really consider our QA worse than that of MS
 and the team is working on quicker QA) (our dev response to QA
 identified problems with the suite is quite rapid and IMO quicker
 than MS)
 
 
 
 Must haves for educational organization users
 
 
 
 * large bank of clipart installable on their intranet (we could have 
 this from the openclipart.org site. The organizations will want to
 have the clipart reside on their system to optimize for speed. We
 could create a bank of clipart or banks of different sizes for their
 use or users' use -- downloadable from our extensions site)
 
 * bank of templates (we don't have enough, we need to establish a
 team of template creators whose primary objective is to create
 templates, the planning pages may be found here 
 [https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas/Template_team]
 
 * documentation that is easily obtainable and in large sets (we
 already have a prolific docs team that keeps all module textbooks up
 to date. Printed materials can be bought in small/large amounts from
 Lulu.com
 
 * a competent bibliographic tool. (by all accounts, the LibreOffice 
 bibliographic tool is not useful enough for serious work. It has been 
 suggested that it be scrapped and re-built. OR in the meantime, we
 could partner up with Zotero and make sure the Zotero plugin has
 oversight by our devs who would make sure the plugin work correctly
 OR alternatively, create our own Zotero plugin to LibreOffice. Either
 way, we would need to provide a competent 

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Full Circle Magazine- Special Edition LibreOffice

[Jean Weber]

On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster 
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

  On 04/12/2013 06:26 PM, Jean Weber wrote:

 On 13/04/2013, at 7:54, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com 
 webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:


  On 04/12/2013 05:38 PM, Klaibson Ribeiro wrote:

  Good Night.

 Look the link, the special edition LibreOffice 
 -http://fullcirclemagazine.org/libreoffice-special-edition-volume-one/

 Good weekend.

  Never heard of this site/magazine, and I have been using Ubuntu since 9.xx.


  You've been missing out! I've been reading Full Circle from the first issue. 
 I don't think it's as well publicised as it should be, though. I heard about 
 it through the weekly community newsletter from Ubuntu. --Jean



 Well, I will read them.

 The link shows parts 1-7, but the newest issue shows
 LibreOffice Pt 24. Intro to Math

 Also, this issue states #71, so I have a few to read.  I wish I could
 download them and read on my tablet when I have to wait in waiting rooms
 and in lines at the store.



Full Circle Magazine is available in PDF and ePub formats. Won't one of
them display on your tablet?

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Full Circle Magazine- Special Edition LibreOffice

[Jean Weber]

On 13/04/2013, at 7:54, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com 
wrote:

 On 04/12/2013 05:38 PM, Klaibson Ribeiro wrote:
 Good Night.
 
 Look the link, the special edition LibreOffice -
 http://fullcirclemagazine.org/libreoffice-special-edition-volume-one/
 
 Good weekend.
 
 Never heard of this site/magazine, and I have been using Ubuntu since 9.xx.
 

You've been missing out! I've been reading Full Circle from the first issue. I 
don't think it's as well publicised as it should be, though. I heard about it 
through the weekly community newsletter from Ubuntu. --Jean
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[libreoffice-marketing] Book on Styles Templates in LibreOffice

[Jean Weber]

Friends of OpenDocument, Inc. has signed a contract with Bruce Byfield to
write a book that I and some other members of the Docs team have talked
about for years but no one has come forth to write. (Despite announcing a
year or two ago that I had started work on it, I never found the time to
continue.) See Bruce's blog entry for more information.

http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/I-ve-signed-to-write-an-advanced-book-on-LibreOffice

I am now looking for people to review individual chapters or the whole book
as they are written over the next six months or so. Please contact me if
you're interested. We need both technical reviewers (people who know enough
to tell whether Bruce has got it right) as well as non-technical reviewers
(who can tell whether Bruce's explanations make sense to the uninitiated).

--Jean Hollis Weber
Documentation Team Leader

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Official/Community pamphlet types proposals

[Jean Weber]

I know a lot of writers, mainly of science fiction and fantasy, who use OOo
or LO for writing but think they need InDesign or similar if they want to
self-publish a book. When I can, I show them that -- especially for books
that are entirely or mostly text, with no fancy layout -- that LO does just
as well as some expensive proprietary program, is a lot easier to learn to
use, and produces PDFs. In fact, I wrote a book (Self-Publishing Using
LibreOffice) for that audience. That is indeed an excellent audience for a
pamphlet type. As a book editor and publisher, I should have thought of it
myself. I can offer some ideas too.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Official/Community pamphlet types proposals

[Jean Weber]

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:00 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 As we are just putting the final design touches on our official and
 community LibreOffice 4.0.x pamphlet (which comes with no content/text), I
 would like to propose we start a process whereby we identify what type of
 pamphlets we should have as possible marketing material that we could put
on
 a table at a conference. The object of these pamphlets would be to either
 inform or try to interest contributors to the project.

 Here is a list and feel free to add any other pamphlet-types that you may
 come up with.

 =

 Pamphlet Types for marketing/conference/personal use:

 =

 * general information pamphlet
 ** [DESCRIPTION: general LibreOffice information
 ** [MARKETING TEAM: Tim, Marc]
 ** [STATUS: this pamphlet is in the final stage of proofing and will be
made
 available to the nl (native language) teams once completed. It should be
 ready within the next 2 weeks or so.]

 * developer specific pamphlet
 ** [DESCRIPTION:]
 ** [MARKETING TEAM: ]
 ** [STATUS: ]

 * documentation specific pamphlet
 ** [DESCRIPTION:]
 ** [MARKETING TEAM: ]
 ** [STATUS: ]

 * designer specific pamphlet
 ** [DESCRIPTION: for Visual Identity and User Experience
 designers]
 ** [MARKETING TEAM: ]
 ** [STATUS: ]

 * QA specific pamphlet
 ** [DESCRIPTION:]
 ** [MARKETING TEAM: ]
 ** [STATUS: ]

 * Accessibility specific pamphlet
 ** [DESCRIPTION:]
 ** [MARKETING TEAM: ]
 ** [STATUS: ]

 * LibreOffice community pamphlet
 ** [DESCRIPTION: describes what kind of community we are]
 ** [MARKETING TEAM: ]
 ** [STATUS: ]

 * academia specific pamphlet
 ** [DESCRIPTION:]
 ** [MARKETING TEAM: ]
 ** [STATUS: ]

 * education specific pamphlet
 ** [DESCRIPTION:]
 ** [MARKETING TEAM: ]
 ** [STATUS: ]

 * business specific pamphlet
 ** [DESCRIPTION:]
 ** [MARKETING TEAM: ]
 ** [STATUS: ]

 * GSOC specific pamphlet
 ** [DESCRIPTION: Google Summer pamphlet]
 ** [MARKETING TEAM: ]
 ** [STATUS: ]

 * Corporate sponsorship specific pamphlet
 ** [DESCRIPTION: for corporations/businesses who wish to offer financial
 support to the proeject]
 ** [MARKETING TEAM: ]
 ** [STATUS: ]

 * Data specific pamphlet
 ** [DESCRIPTION: pamphlet with data showing market penetration and/or
 financial health of the project with possible projections]
 ** [MARKETING TEAM: ]
 ** [STATUS: ]

 =

 Would there be any other suggestions for the list. If the list is OK, the
 someone on the marketing list will put this on a wiki page and we could
get
 to work on it.

 We can later split off into different groups/thread on this list and work
on
 the content/text for these pamphlets.

 This is ideal for those of you who like to offer your opinions but do not
 really want to be put in charge of any particular marketing job. Later,
 once the discussions on the threads are sufficiently completed, we
 (marketing contributing members) will just collect the information and
work
 the good points into text in paragraph form for the pamphlets. In this
case,
 your opinions will be your contribution to the making of a specific
 pamphlet.

 Cheers,

 Marc


Good idea. I can't think of anything to add to the list at this time.
I'll consider what the description should be for a documentation-specific
pamphlet (and maybe some of the others). I speak at technical writers'
conferences and could use a recruiting pamphlet that takes a what's in it
for me if I volunteer to help write/edit/index documentation? approach for
potential volunteers; another approach, not necessarily in the same
pamphlet, would be what can LO do for me as a technical writer?

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] (Portland OR, US) OSCON 2013 Program Announced -- July 22-26 2013

[Jean Weber]

 On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:

 FYI, the program at OSCON 2013. There are many speakers and sessions
 planned. If you are free at that time, you may want to attend.[1][2]

 Cheers,

 Marc

 [1]
 http://post.oreilly.com/form/oreilly/viewhtml/9z1zc8mdpphcvph262lrntt5ff8ojf2gnr9kkl3up68?imm_mid=0a4e13cmp=em-code-os13-em03-reg-open-sol-test-control
 [2]
 http://www.oscon.com/oscon2013/public/schedule/grid?imm_mid=0a4e13cmp=em-code-os13-em03-reg-open-sol-test-control

On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 I would love to attend OSCON and run a TDF/LO booth there (assuming we could
 get allocated one), BUT two things would be required: (1) commitments from
 several people (at least 2; 3 or 4 would be better), preferably people who
 know more about code than I do, to work a minimum number of hours at the
 booth; and (2) airfare as well as hotel costs for me.

 As many people know, I attended OSCON last year on behalf of TDF/LO, but I
 made the decision to go far too late to request booth space. IMO it's a
 great opportunity to publicise ourselves among coders and do some
 recruitment.

 The Community Leadership Summit is once again being held the weekend before
 OSCON, and that is also a great opportunity for TDF/LO. If I were to make
 the trip, I would attend that conference as well; it's free, though the
 hotel room isn't.

 --Jean


Being an incurable optimist, I have submitted an application for
TDF/LO to have a booth in the OSCON 2013 Nonprofit Pavilion. Their
page says that I will be contacted on or before May 2. I shall do some
preliminary planning but not make any commitments (that aren't fully
refundable) until I find out if we've been accepted.

Preliminary planning includes seeking out people to share the fun of
staffing the booth.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Certification and accreditation

[Jean Weber]

Marc,
The certification program does not cover desktop skills; it's for
migration, support, and training professionals.

--Jean

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Le 04/04/13 03:11 AM, Evans Ikua a écrit :

 Dear Team,
 I am not sure if this issue has been tackled in the past. has there been
 any discussion on certification and or accreditation for LO desktop
 skills?
 This would be a great source of income to the foundation and also an
 affirmation of the quality of LO whcih would really help uptake.

 I am aware there used to be the Open ICDL targeted at OO.o but it would be
 good to know what the status here is.


 Yes, you can find the information on this on the TDF website[1]

 Cheers,

 Marc

 [1] http://www.documentfoundation.org

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 m...@marcpare.com
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 parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF)
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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: how it this brochure printed?

[Jean Weber]

I agree with what I've quoted below. Let's see if we can make a variation of 
the brochure, or an alternative version, that's suitable for laser or inkjet 
printing. When I get home tomorrow from my latest travels, I'll look at the 
official brochure; I've not had a chance to do so yet. 

I think it's important to have both high-end and low-end materials available 
for volunteers to use. Some printing projects can be funded from organisations 
like Friends of OpenDocument, but being able to run off a few copies as needed 
greatly extends opportunities for marketing. 

--Jean

On 02/04/2013, at 7:44, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com 
wrote:

 I want to have a brochure or template, or other marketing materials that is 
 approved and branded that our local people can use.  We need to have 
 marketing materials that can be use by local home/office printing systems.  
 We need materials that can be printed at 20 or 30 at a time, or the numbers 
 that are going to be used for the person doing the local marketing.
 
 [...]
 
 We need marketing materials created by our design and marketing people that 
 can be used my the local people who have little abilities or talents to 
 design their own.  We need to have brochures and other documents that can be 
 printed on home/office equipment that is available to the local users to 
 market LibreOffice to the market that cannot afford the expense of high end 
 printing or packages like MSO.
 
 [...]
 
 The reason I got involved with trying to update the brochure for LibreOffice, 
 was to update it by nearly 2 years.  I wanted to have an officially approved 
 and branded brochure and maybe other marketing items that the person could 
 print or somehow buy on a low budget and hand out to their local market, be 
 it college students or at a group of business people who want to be able to 
 spend money on other things than renting MS Office products.  We need to have 
 a collection of marketing documents, and swag designs that can be printed 
 locally or ordered at an affordable price for people with smaller amounts of 
 money to spend, like most people I know locally.

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[libreoffice-marketing] Interview at SCALE 11x

[Jean Weber]

IMO I don't interview very well (especially on 1 minute's notice), but
here it is. The other person is J. David Eisenberg.

LibreOffice at SCALE 11x
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkM7VElTpOM

--Jean

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[libreoffice-marketing]

[Jean Weber]

Top story in this week's Windows Secrets newsletter:
Two free, open source alternatives to MSOffice
https://windowssecrets.com/top-story/two-free-full-blown-alternatives-to-ms-office/

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] [ACTION ITEM] APPROVE New LibreOffice Brochure for official use (community version pending)

[Jean Weber]

Apologies for not commenting earlier, but I've been otherwise occupied.

In my editorial opinion, the quotation marks around the names of the
components (Writer, Draw, etc) are unnecessary and should be removed.
Also, some of the hyphenation and inline spacing looks poorly done.
Otherwise, I like the concept and the design.

--Jean

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Le 07/03/13 11:08 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :


 Between myself, Tim Lungstrom, and Marc Pare, we have created a set of
 new LibreOffice Tri-fold Brochures with the new half-circle themed
 design.

 There are two versions, Letter size paper and A4 size paper.

 The ODT version are now on the wiki page for download, under the name of
 LibreOffice 4.0 brochure.

 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Gallery_Flyers

 So download the brochure and take a look.  You just might like it.

 Edit it to you specific needs.  That is why the Write file is these
 instead of the PDF version.


 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Gallery_Flyers


 Could the marketing team take a look at it and approve it for our official
 use? Both files have the same text[1]. There is an A4 verions and a Letter
 size version, so it would be nice if you also tested a printout. We tested
 both B/W and colour.

 We will post a community version (without the TDF subline) once it has been
 approved.

 Big thanks to Tim who lead on this.

 I am tagging this as an action item.

 Cheers,

 Marc

 [1]

 --
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 m...@marcpare.com
 http://www.parEntreprise.com
 parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF)
 parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Print edition of Getting Started with LO4.0

[Jean Weber]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:
 On 03/05/2013 12:09 PM, Jean Weber wrote:

 For anyone who might be thinking of buying a printed copy of the new
 Getting Started with LO4.0 book, Lulu.com is having a 3-day sale: 20%
 off any order using coupon code SPARK. Offer ends 8 March 2013. Direct
 link to the book is

 http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/libreoffice-40-getting-started-guide/13691923

 --Jean


 I bought mine on the 2nd.
 It still is $8.68 off [30%] the full pricing.

 Well, that 20% would cover most of the standard shipping.
 I choose a little faster route.

The so-called full pricing is what Lulu charges if/when they sell
the book through other distribution channels. I always set a discount
(usually 30%) for sales through Lulu's website. Any other discounts
are on top of that, and come out of Lulu's cut, not our profits.

--Jean

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[libreoffice-marketing] Print edition of Getting Started v4.0 now available

[Jean Weber]

http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/libreoffice-40-getting-started-guide/13691923

I've added it to the wiki and to the /get-help/documentation page on
the website.

I can amend the interior PDF (or the covers) at any time, if anyone
finds important errors that need to be corrected in this edition.

--Jean

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Getting Started v4.0 full book now available

[Jean Weber]

The book (ODT and PDF) is now linked from the website.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 ODT  PDF of Getting Started v4.0 full book are now available on LO
 wiki and ODFAuthors. I'll put the links on the website ASAP (or
 someone else with write access can do it). Printed copy will take a
 few more days to organise.

 --Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Getting Started 4.0 Book PDF?

[Jean Weber]

We've been working on it. People have been proofing the final copy and
finding a lot of errors. I should have it done this weekend if not
sooner. Patience is a virtue. We'll let you know when it's ready.

--Jean

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:03 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

 I was wondering when there will be a link to the 4.0 Getting Started Guide -
 full book and maybe the Lulu.com print-on-demand offering?

 The last few chapters were uploaded on the 12th, so I was expecting the
 full book by now.

 I see Writer chapters filling out, but the Getting Started Guide may be good
 to have with the start of the new line.

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[libreoffice-marketing] Getting Started v4.0 full book now available

[Jean Weber]

ODT  PDF of Getting Started v4.0 full book are now available on LO
wiki and ODFAuthors. I'll put the links on the website ASAP (or
someone else with write access can do it). Printed copy will take a
few more days to organise.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] [ACTION ITEM] Modulerization of the LibreOffice Components -- WIKI PAGE

[Jean Weber]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 I am just flagging this as an action item for our Easy Hacks page. This is
 a recurring topic that keep coming back every 2-3 months on either the
 discuss or the users list.

 Could someone on this list put up a wiki page giving a short explanation on
 why this is not possible. There could be some talk of the code structure,
 hours of work, etc. factors that make it thus far impossible to separate the
 modules into unique programmes to themselves.

 If you feel like doing up the wiki page right away, then go for it. No need
 to wait for the official Marketing Easy Hacks Page to appear.


Marc, although the topic you mention here is an important one to
explain, I don't think that is actually what the previous poster on
this thread was talking about (despite the subject line on his post).

--Jean

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[libreoffice-marketing] Comment from an Australian user

[Jean Weber]

This note appeared on a list for Australian technical writers:

I've just had a quick look at an overview of Office 2013 on TechRepublic.
Ugh.

I'll stick with Libre Office, thank you.
Microsoft want to take me to too many places that I just really don't
want to go to. I'm happy for the folks who want to do those things and I
don't want to discourage them. I just don't want to go along.

Definitely a selling point for migrating to LO.

--Jean

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[libreoffice-marketing] First day of SCALE 11x

[Jean Weber]

Yesterday was the first day of our 2-day booth at SCALE 11x (Southern
California Linux Expo). With only two people (J David Eisenberg and I)
working the booth (10am-6pm), it was exhausting, but the feedback was
great. Many people stopped to say I love your product and use it all
the time and grab one of the I (heart) LibreOffice stickers. Some
asked questions; a few had complaints, but the overall response was
extremely positive.

We handed out DVDs, flyers, stickers. We had a set of the v3.5 books;
many people said, Wow, real books! Several wanted to buy them, but
seemed happy when we told them where to get free PDFs or buy the
printed copies. Most visitors to the booth were Linux users, not
developers; some were finding out about Linux and open source software
for the first time.

Marc, we got a few photos, but not as wide a variety as you want.
We'll try to get a few more today, but with the two of us busy talking
with people all the time, it's difficult to take pix.

More later. Almost time to start again. At least we get to quit at 4PM today.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Reminder: SCALE Conference Feb. 22-24

[Jean Weber]

I've got only one other person helping for sure: J David Eisenberg
from San Jose.

If anyone more local to the event could come by for a few hours on
Saturday or Sunday to help out at the booth, we'd be very grateful to
have you along. An extra inducement is free entry to the full
conference; I'll need to give your name to the registration people.

My cell phone number is 805-637-0780.

--Jean

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 (US) Southern California Linux Expo (SCALE) 2013

 Location: Hilton Los Angeles Airport hotel, 5711 West Century Boulevard, Los
 Angeles US 90045

 Jean Hollis Weber will be at the conference and manning a booth, along with
 some others (sorry, I just don't have your names handy right now). If you
 are in the area, plan on dropping in, or even offer to help out! Contact
 Jean for this.

 See our events calendar for more details.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [BLOG ITEM] Persona Hot-To video

[Jean Weber]

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Re: wiki page name change: Maybe this should be asked on the docs list. Once
 they have a say and decided, just let the website team know (or put a bug
 in) and the website team can take care of the renaming part/redirect.

 I can't see it being a problem with renaming other than finding a catchy
 name for it.


I have forwarded Tom's note to the Docs list. --Jean

[...]

 Le 2013-02-09 04:02, Tom Davies a écrit :
 [...]
 I kinda want to change our wiki-page address to something like
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/3rdPartyGuides
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UnofficialPublications
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/OtherGuidesAndResources
 or start doing sub-pages such as
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/Unofficial
 but i don't feel that i have come up with the perfect name yet.  Can
 anyone else come up with a better name or let me know which of those 4 you
 prefer?  I think it's best to avoid change for a couple of weeks but then i
 can set up a redirect from the current page to catch the last of the
 stragglers.

 Note that our official guides are currently on
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications

 Regards from
 Tom :)

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Monthly Marketing Team Reminders

[Jean Weber]

Some people do a lot of videos and how-tos, so I think that a pointer
to their pages (or to a YouTube search) is better than listing
individual videos on our wiki, at least in the Docs section. Of
course, if some volunteer wants to do the upkeep, that's fine, but I
recall that years ago at OOo we had some good pages of pointers to
third-party info that were not kept up to date and then gave the wrong
impression that no new info was out there.

Also, I'm reluctant to link to individual items unless someone on the
team has personally checked them for accuracy and quality. Of course,
if the items are produced by active members of the community, that's
different. I would encourage that, and encourage other creators to
become members of the community.

--Jean

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Hi Tom,

 This would at least remind people that there is a place where there is help
 to catalogue these items or a place where once the marketing team gets them
 they can re-direct the items to the right people.

 Cheers,

 Marc

 Le 2013-02-09 13:57, Tom Davies a écrit :

 Hi :)
 We don't list ALL videos and How-Tos.  We don't even find out about the
 vast majority of them.  Even the ones we do find out about are sometimes
 lost as we struggle to find a place that would be relevant to put a link to
 them.  We do at last have a reasonably good place to put How-Tos and such
 but there are other types of non-documentation types of videos, for example
 where the Vietnamese Team managed to appear on mainstream tele.

 I think it would be good to build-up a library of good quality How-Tos and
 such, as listed in the docs team's wish-list.  Although what part of the
 challenge would be listing exactly what needs to be covered.
 Regards from
 Tom :)


 
 From: Marc Parém...@marcpare.com
 To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 17:17
 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Monthly Marketing Team Reminders

 Just a ping on this. Good idea? Bad idea? Comments? Additions? :-)

 Marc

 Le 2013-02-08 07:17, Marc Paré a écrit :

 I would like to start posting a Marketing Team Reminder on our
 contributor/user lists. This reminder list would remind our contributors
 of recurring items that the marketing team is collecting and of any
 other recurring items. The reminders would be sent at the very beginning
 of each month.

 Suggested monthly reminder items:

 * remind everyone that we collect *current/future events* where the
 TDF/LibreOffice IS or SHOULD be represented (events such as conferences,
 dev conferences, educational conferences, bug wrangling events, ...).
 Please forward events to the marketing list where the event calendar
 admins will post them to our events calendar -- the events calendar
 admins are: Florian Effenberger, Immanuel Giulea, Marc Paré. We will
 also try to take care of LibreOffice representation at these events.

 NOTE: We collect *events of all languages*. ((We have an Events page on
 our wiki/website sites:
 [https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/EventsCalendar] or

 [http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/libreoffice-international-events-calendar/].)


 * remind everyone that we collect *awards* given to the TDF or/and
 LibreOffice. Please forward any news of awards to TDF or/and LibreOffice
 to the Marketing mailing list where the awards admins will post them to
 our Awards web page -- the website awards admins are: Marc Paré. We will
 also take care of posting the news on our official blogs and social
 media sites

 NOTE: We collect *awards of all languages*. (We have an Awards webpage
 in the About Us section of our website.)

 * remind everyone that we collect any *videos* of LibreOffice Tutorials
 and also videos where mentions of TDF or LibreOffice is mentioned. (We
 will direct the LibreOffice Tutorials video links to whoever does the
 cataloguing on the docs team wiki page.

 NOTE: We collect *videos of all languages* (We have a video LibreOffice
 Tutorials section on our Documentation wiki site:

 [https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Resources#Video_Tutorials]).


 * remind everyone that there are *official branding guidelines* when
 marketing LibreOffice and these are found on our wiki page
 [https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding]. NOTE that on
 the branding page, there is an explanation as to when/where you may use
 our official or community logo.

 * remind everyone that *joining our contributing teams is a very fun and
 enriching experience*. That contributing means a hands on and active
 participation. We even have a discussion contributor mailing list
 where serious LibreOffice items are discussed by discussion
 contributors who have views/comments that are taken seriously -- the
 discussions are focused and kept on-topic and results of these
 discussions are expected to be productive -- the Discussion list is
 NOT the same as the Users list!

 

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice Documentation in Local Libraries Project

[Jean Weber]

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Hi Jean and Fabian

 Le 2013-02-06 01:17, Jean Weber a écrit :

 On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Jean Weberjeanwe...@gmail.com  wrote:

 On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Fabian Rodriguez
 magic...@member.fsf.org  wrote:

 On 13-02-05 11:13 PM, Jean Weber wrote:

 This is a great idea. If people want to buy sample copies of LO user
 guides to donate to a library, they can contact
 i...@friendsofopendocument.com to request them at the wholesale price,
 saving a few dollars. Please provide info on which libraries you
 intend to give them to. We can't promise to honour every request, but
 it's worth asking. Note: the wholesale price is only for sample
 copies, not purchases by libraries or their customers.

 At least in Canada most libraries won't take such donations unless
 there's an ISSN / ISBN number on the publication. Is there one?


 Yes, our books have ISBN.

 --Jean


 Correction: all except the Math Guide.


 Jean: Thanks for this generous offer. It is really kind of you and of
 ODFAuthors go give us the option of this generous discount.


This offer comes from Friends of OpenDocument, the publisher and
distributor of the printed and eBook copies.

 I imagine the sample copies of LO are complete guides with no missing pages?
 And would this be for a complete Sample copy of all the guides or would it
 be for just one Sample copy? Would the word SAMPLE be stamped on the
 pages/cover or anywhere on/in the guide book(s) -- this may make a
 difference to the library where they are sent to.

Copies are identical to those anyone can buy from Lulu.com: complete,
with no overprinting of SAMPLE or anything else. Whether we provide
only the Getting Started guide or any/all of the other guides is
negotiable with whoever makes the request.


 Is the math guide getting its ISBN? The Math guide would be an important
 book to have in the collection.

I can give the Math Guide an ISBN.


 Also, just to be clear to everyone, Jean, are you saying the guides would be
 sent directly to the Libraries and not the user requesting the guides at
 wholesale rate costs? This to me would make sense, as it would remove any
 temptation for any abuse of purchase.

I could send directly to the Library or to the user making the
request. However, I cannot include a cover letter (Lulu.com does the
distribution), so it might be better to send to an individual who can
then take to the Library or add a cover letter and then send. Again,
negotiable.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice Documentation in Local Libraries Project

[Jean Weber]

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:35 AM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol
o...@sophia-louise.de wrote:
 Hi Marc, Jean,
 Am 06.02.2013 09:45, schrieb Marc Paré:

 [...]
 (For example, my school board operates 51 libraries, some small/others
 quite large, sample texts arrive weekly to the libraries and most often
 are not put on the stacks but are either left on a shelf for later
 disposal or distributed to teachers who think may use them, BUT only
 after being vetted by the head librarian to make sure the texts follow
 school board teaching philosophies and programme expectations. If the
 texts do not follow programme expectations, then they are not accepted
 for library use. In our case, the LibreOffice guides fit in well but
 still must go through internal vetting approval process. The more
 well-known are guides the shorter the vetting process.)

 In Germany many libraries start now to offer e-books. And I think many
 in Canada/Australia and all over the world do this.
 Why don't you try to get our e-books (epub/pdf) first in the libraries?
 No expenses. When we will get in such a library then the question about
 written books will come from the users.

 Ok, there is for now only one epub for Getting started 3.3 [1] but this
 may be an Easy Hack for documentation list doing it especially with 4.0.
 And all books are available as pdf.

 [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications


This is a good idea. PDFs are available, but I do not think the
formatting of the eBook for 3.3 (done by Lulu) is very good. Creating
a well-formatted eBook is not easy, because our template
contains features (including the tables for tips, notes, cautions, and
the use of custom styles for headings, among other things) that do not
convert well. This is a big reason why I want to change some things in
the template. Dan Lewis has notes on how he hacked the conversion of
one chapter, but we need to improve the template and the process.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice Documentation in Local Libraries Project

[Jean Weber]

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:15 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 Hi :)
 I think the Maths Guide is about to have a major re-vamp, probably after the 
 4.0.0.  I'm not sure if that would affect an application for an ISBN number.

Where do you get the idea that the Maths Guide is about to have a
major re-vamp? Have I missed something at Docs?

For an ISBN, all I have to do is add one to the book.

Note, however, that at this point only the printed version of the
books have ISBN; the PDFs do not (because we don't sell them). PDFs
and printed books and eBooks each require a separate ISBN. Friends of
OpenDocument buys ISBN in sets of 100, so I have plenty to use.


 As for abusing the wholesale offer i think that is not really a worry.  The 
 aim is to get the guides out there as far and widely as possibly.  If someone 
 is smart enough and keen enough (about LO) then they hopefully will make good 
 use of the guides anyway, either to make sure they get seen or to help people 
 migrate to LibreOffice.  The aim is less about generating profit and more 
 about getting the guides out there.


I agree. I am not concerned about this.


 Hopefully people wont try to abuse the system too much.  Even at full price 
 the guides really don't cost much especially when compared to similar guides 
 for rival products.  Also i am sure the Friends of OpenDocument are sensible 
 enough to manage the requests sensibly.  Sending full sets of guides out to 
 all 51 libraries might or might not present a bit of a challenge to them but 
 i'm sure they could figure out a way of doing something sensible.


There is a bit of work for me involved in buying the books, but
including all copies is trivially more work than just ordering one.


 It still makes sense to send directly to where they are required to save the 
 effort of re-distributing.

See my earlier note in response to Marc. I am not so sure sending
directly to the library is the better idea... unless the request comes
directly from the library.



 From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com
To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2013, 8:45
Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice Documentation in Local 
Libraries Project


Also, just to be clear to everyone, Jean, are you saying the guides would be 
sent directly to the Libraries and not the user requesting the guides at 
wholesale rate costs? This to me would make sense, as it would remove any 
temptation for any abuse of purchase.

Cheers,

Marc

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [EASY HACKS ITEM] Re: LibreOffice Documentation in Local Libraries Project

[Jean Weber]

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Ma Xiaojun damage3...@gmail.com wrote:
 I just borrowed OOo 2.0 Getting Started Guide and Migration Guide from
 my local library, which is in Hong Kong.

 They are published by Solar Press and have ISBNs.

 At the first glance I thought this is related to Sun, however, it
 turns out that it is a press in Hong Kong whose website no longer
 accessible, unfortunately.
 Archive: https://sites.google.com/a/solarpress.hk/www/

These are probably the books produced by the Docs team at OOo, which
have been copied by several other organisations and sold through
various places including Amazon.com, without returning any money to
the project.

I expect that the same may occur with the LO books, if it has not
already happened.

For practical reasons that I don't have time to explain right now, the
OOo and LO books were not listed directly with Amazon.com and other
online retailers in a way to return the profits to the project. This
listing is possible, but so far no one on the project has come forth
to do it. Also, it costs money (Lulu.com listings do not) and with the
fast release schedule, I personally have not considered it to be worth
the cost and the time to do it.


 I know it is probably off topic here.
 I still want to ask why our documentation seems quite hard to get
 published as books have ISBNs.

Printed copies of our books have ISBNs. At this time they are
available from Lulu.com through links on our wiki page.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications



 BTW, I, yet another old school person, do prefer paper-based books.
 BTW2, I also feel that it would be cool if our documentations are
 available as E-book. Do we have any chance have our documentations
 included in things like Safari Books Online, then our documentations
 get auto and free inclusion, right?


See my earlier note about eBooks. I don't think we can get listed in
Safari Books Online (do they take things not published by O'Reilly and
its affiliates?), but if that's possible it's a good idea.

--Jean

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