Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-12-12 Thread Marc Paré

This note was posted by Drew

Le 2011-12-12 09:22, drew a écrit :

Howdy,

Recently there has been interest in getting a calendar, listing events
an items of interest to the LibreOffice community and I would suspect it
would be of equal interest to the OpenOfice community as well.

I've tried to be pro-active in this regards and have setup a web based
calendar for just such a purpose.

I'm looking for help in assembling calendar entries focused on Free Open
Source office tools supporting the OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard.

Anyone can post events, comments or messages to the calendar without
registering at the site - new posts from non-registered individuals will
need to be moderated before being added to public access views.

So, I'd also be interested, quite, in anyone that would like to help
maintain the calendar with me.

The calendar events can be added to your web sites via RSS feed, our any
iCal and other client.

The calendar web interface is found at:
http://lo-portal.us/cal/

Details (more to come) including syndication links are available at:
(yet another new site that went up this week)
http://lo-portal.us/oucv/node/3

Thanks in advance for any help and I'm looking forward to any questions
anyone may have about ways to utilize the service.

Best wishes,

//drew


While I feel appreciative of this, I am a little disappointed that you 
have jumped the discussion thread on this and gone ahead without 
discussing it with the list where we are in fact discussing setting up a 
LibreOffice calendar. Maybe you missed this discussion? We really need 
to include people in on the discussion who are interested in working on 
a calendar solution.


I would think that your calendar could be taken up as an example that we 
could adopt.


I will post this note on the thread where we are discussing the 
calendar. You may want to read through the post to familiarize yourself 
with the discussion.


Cheers

Marc

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-12-08 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Marc,

I hate fullquotes. I really do.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Le 2011-11-23 10:14, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
 On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Andreas Mantkema...@gmx.de  wrote:
 Am Montag, 21. November 2011, 22:06:14 schrieb Marc Paré:
 Le 2011-11-21 15:12, Andreas Mantke a écrit :
 [...]

 Added those to the calendar on the website and published it (but not
 linked in menu)

 http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/events

 default view: shows future events, currently max. 10 (can be configured)

 Allows to filter by date via the calendar widget at the right or also
 via URL, for example to show all events in 2011 use
 http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/events/view/2011 (added the evence
 back then when  I added the event module to the site)
 for all events in February 2012 use
 http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/events/view/2012-02
 for all events between January 1st and February 29 2012
 http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/events/view/2012-01-01/2012-02-29
 (you get the idea, you can be precise in the dates, or shorten it to
 month or year only, for both simple ones as well as for ranges.

 All of the events currently in the calendar are of the simple
 announcement type, but you can also create Event Pages that have
 their own/dedicated page on the website.

 Is there a way I could test the SilverStripe calendar? How would I go about
 testing it?

What of the above isn't answering your question?
I could write the same again: go to
http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/events and play around, to filter
it use the calendar widget or the following URLs - but I repeat myself
so often in other threads

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-12-08 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hallo Christian,

Am 08.12.2011 13:30, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:

 What of the above isn't answering your question?

For me, the following issue is still unclear:

Am 26.11.2011 22:28, schrieb Marc Paré:

 Le 2011-11-26 12:46, Stefan Weigel a écrit :

 I am still dreaming ;-) of a common database for all events.
 Some of them are of global interest, some of them are of local
 interest only, and some of them are both. It would be pretty to
 have them all in one data source, rather than having a global
 calendar and several local calendars separately, with the need
 to synchronize data manually, if some events are to appear in
 more than one of these calendars.

 Most decent calendar systems do this with filtering. This is of
 no problem at all.

Are we getting these filtering features?

Can the calendar (itself) and the calendar entries be localized and
still be based on the same calendar database?

(That would be very, very cool.)

:-)

Stefan


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-12-08 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2011-12-08 07:30, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :

Hi Marc,

I hate fullquotes. I really do.

If you know the person from whom it comes from just assume that there is 
something that is really being emphasized or misunderstood of the quote 
... or that there has been lack of sleep. :-) In my case it's a little 
of both.



What of the above isn't answering your question?
I could write the same again: go to
http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/events and play around, to filter
it use the calendar widget or the following URLs
I thought that there was just more to it. I thought that I could log in 
to see how easy/difficult it would be to insert an event so that I could 
evaluate the difficulty of having other people joining to help admin the 
calendar. When I log in as admin, I am at a loss as to where would I go 
to add an event.


I should have been more explicit in my note.

BTW ... here is another example of a calendering system that I use on my 
Zikula CMS site[1]. I run one of the largest site on early music found 
on on the internet. I am presently re-evaluating the calendar plugin as 
it I still have another 2000 entries and the site has already slowed 
down considerably with only about 600 entries (just hit the Home 
button to see the results).  I also used to run a few WebCalendar[2] 
sites but also dropped these for a number of reasons mostly due to the 
ease of use on the admin side.




- but I repeat myself
so often in other threads

ciao
Christian

Yup, I know where you are coming from. Such is the nature of mailing 
lists where most users would not be reading the past posts. I see 
repetition as more of making sure all people involved really understand 
and making it fair for late comers to the discussion. Still, frustrating 
but necessary ... I'm a school teacher ... repetition is standard in our 
business. Don't forget that we really are appreciative and thankful of 
your help and work.


Cheers,

Marc


[1] 
http://www.musiqueancienne.org/index.php?module=PostCalendarfunc=viewviewtype=monthDate=2011120800

[2] http://www.k5n.us/webcalendar.php

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-12-07 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2011-11-23 10:14, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Andreas Mantkema...@gmx.de  wrote:

Hi Marc,

Am Montag, 21. November 2011, 22:06:14 schrieb Marc Paré:

Hi Andreas

Le 2011-11-21 15:12, Andreas Mantke a écrit :

(...)

If nobody objects I will start with a new wiki page for the events of
2012. I miss a column for the cfp in the current page and will add that
two the new site.

Regards,
Andreas

Good one. I also had this on my to-do list. It would be nice if we could
have something like the sourceforge people who list FOSS events here:
http://sourceforge.net/blog/calendar-of-open-source-software-events/. I
had suggested at one point of combining the sourceforce google calendar
with our own and this would also help us plan for upcoming events. If
you do a search of the marketing/website lists under calendar you will
find that there have already been discussions on calendar implementation
either on the wiki or website.

What you suggest would be great, even if it were only a temporary update.

I created the wiki page at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2012 and 
filled
in the events for Europe that I always know.

Added those to the calendar on the website and published it (but not
linked in menu)

http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/events

default view: shows future events, currently max. 10 (can be configured)

Allows to filter by date via the calendar widget at the right or also
via URL, for example to show all events in 2011 use
http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/events/view/2011 (added the evence
back then when  I added the event module to the site)
for all events in February 2012 use
http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/events/view/2012-02
for all events between January 1st and February 29 2012
http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/events/view/2012-01-01/2012-02-29
(you get the idea, you can be precise in the dates, or shorten it to
month or year only, for both simple ones as well as for ranges.

All of the events currently in the calendar are of the simple
announcement type, but you can also create Event Pages that have
their own/dedicated page on the website.

ciao
Christian


Hi Christian,

Is there a way I could test the SilverStripe calendar? How would I go 
about testing it?


Cheers,

Marc

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-26 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Stefan, *,

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Stefan Weigel
stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote:
 Am 25.11.2011 12:11, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
 [...]
 Nah, the idea would not to have it twice, but only in silverstripe -
 if you need it elsewhere you can write a short script to convert a rss
 feed of something like that.

 Would the calendar module hold organizational information as well?
 For example:

Well, you can enter whatever information you want. There is no extra
fields for that in the input-form if that is what you meant.
And you are not limited to the announcement-type style of Events, but
can create Event Pages, i.e. regular HTML pages with whatever content
you like.

 Will there be a possibility to separate the info, that is targetted
 to website visitors, from the info, that is targetted to booth staff
 et cetera?

No - at least I don't know how this should look like. But of course
you can just add a link to the wiki dealing with the specific event.
If you need dedicated info for booth staff etc, then you will
probably have a dedicated page anyway. So once again I'm not sure how
that separation should look like.

 Can booth staff and speakers easily access the calendars data base,
 in order to edit the organizational information?

The Event calendar is a special page in the CMS - so anyone who has
access to the cms can edit the data.

 For the latter, a wiki page would be the best. But then, as
 explained, we suffer from redundant/inconsistent data storage. :-/

Well - info for participants is not what I'd call duplication - as you
were asking for separation anyway. Now it is separated into two
different platforms, so no big deal (IMHO).

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-26 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi Christian,

Am 26.11.2011 18:08, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:

 Will there be a possibility to separate the info, that is targetted
 to website visitors, from the info, that is targetted to booth staff
 et cetera?

 But of course
 you can just add a link to the wiki dealing with the specific event.
 If you need dedicated info for booth staff etc, then you will
 probably have a dedicated page anyway.

Ok. This sounds practicable to me.

 The Event calendar is a special page in the CMS - so anyone who has
 access to the cms can edit the data.

I am still dreaming ;-) of a common database for all events. Some of
them are of global interest, some of them are of local interest
only, and some of them are both. It would be pretty to have them all
in one data source, rather than having a global calendar and several
local calendars separately, with the need to synchronize data
manually, if some events are to appear in more than one of these
calendars.

Stefan

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-26 Thread Marc Paré

HI Stefan,

Le 2011-11-26 12:46, Stefan Weigel a écrit :

I am still dreaming ;-) of a common database for all events. Some of
them are of global interest, some of them are of local interest
only, and some of them are both. It would be pretty to have them all
in one data source, rather than having a global calendar and several
local calendars separately, with the need to synchronize data
manually, if some events are to appear in more than one of these
calendars.

Stefan

Most decent calendar systems do this with filtering. This is of no 
problem at all.


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Marc

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-25 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I like the proposed page
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events
for the short-term.  It neatly deals with most of the issues.  

Wiki-pages get harder to edit (especially on low-spec machines) when they get 
really long so a proper calendar would still be good even tho it is much less 
urgent now imo.  
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012
To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 25 November, 2011, 7:04

Hallo Andreas,

Am 24.11.2011 20:19, schrieb Andreas Mantke:

 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2012
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/de

 One will have to follow both, in order to get all available information.

 It´s a pity, that I don´t have the time to create a DB and bring it
 up. :-/
 
 Hmm. That maybe a task for the future, when we attend a big bunch of events. 

Okay. Until then, I would suggest not to create a two-dimensional
structure of subpages (one dimension for language/region, one
dimension for the year), but rather keep the single structure of
subpages for languages/regions and create a main paragraph for each
year on each page.

I did that as my proposal on
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events

However, I did not mark the page
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2012 for deletion yet.

 Currently I think, we can manage the events with a wiki page

Hm. The problem is, it´s not a single wiki page, but a bunch of
pages and some events are listed redundantly on several pages.
Think, if you are about to add some usefull information about
LinuxTag 2012, would you sure remember to edit two wiki pages
synchronously?

 and the calendar modul 
 of Silverstripe or a embedded Google calendar.

Hm. Yet another place, where the data about the events have to be
updated manually, in addition to the wiki pages.

Gruß

Stefan


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-25 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I think stick with the categories that were in the 2011 calendar but only 
create them for 2012 as and when they are needed.  There's no point in having 
an empty category.

If we had a proper calendar rather than a wiki then more categories might be a 
good idea but on a wiki it seems best to minimalise headings a bit.  

Just my 2cents
Regards from
Tom :)

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From: Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+libreoff...@googlemail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012
To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 25 November, 2011, 11:11

Hi Stefan, *,

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Stefan Weigel
stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote:
 [...]
 and the calendar modul
 of Silverstripe or a embedded Google calendar.

 Hm. Yet another place, where the data about the events have to be
 updated manually, in addition to the wiki pages.

Nah, the idea would not to have it twice, but only in silverstripe -
if you need it elsewhere you can write a short script to convert a rss
feed of something like that.

If the geographic categories All, Europe, North/South America (and
probably a missing Asia) are enough, then I can add them to the
silverstripe calendar and you'll have the same info as on the wiki
page.

Marc did suggest more categories, but I think those are excessive...

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-25 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hallo Christian,

Am 25.11.2011 12:11, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:

 and the calendar modul
 of Silverstripe or a embedded Google calendar.

 Hm. Yet another place, where the data about the events have to be
 updated manually, in addition to the wiki pages.
 
 Nah, the idea would not to have it twice, but only in silverstripe -
 if you need it elsewhere you can write a short script to convert a rss
 feed of something like that.

Would the calendar module hold organizational information as well?
For example:

http://www.2shared.com/photo/ObliY9AC/Bildschirmfoto.html

Will there be a possibility to separate the info, that is targetted
to website visitors, from the info, that is targetted to booth staff
et cetera?

Can booth staff and speakers easily access the calendars data base,
in order to edit the organizational information?

For the latter, a wiki page would be the best. But then, as
explained, we suffer from redundant/inconsistent data storage. :-/

 If the geographic categories All, Europe, North/South America (and
 probably a missing Asia) are enough, then I can add them to the
 silverstripe calendar and you'll have the same info as on the wiki
 page.

Don´t forget the info on the subpages Events/de Events/es Events/fr
Events/it and so on, that intentionally do not contain all events
from the main page but some additional events, that are not on the
main page. But they do contain some Events from the main page. For
these, consistency of information should be assured.

Gruß

Stefan

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-25 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2011-11-25 06:51, Marc Paré a écrit :

Hi Christian et al

Le 2011-11-25 06:11, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :

Nah, the idea would not to have it twice, but only in silverstripe -
if you need it elsewhere you can write a short script to convert a rss
feed of something like that.

If the geographic categories All, Europe, North/South America (and
probably a missing Asia) are enough, then I can add them to the
silverstripe calendar and you'll have the same info as on the wiki
page.

Marc did suggest more categories, but I think those are excessive...

ciao
Christian

The suggestions were just examples of what could be added as the 
categories for events were being added. Anyway, you can find an 
example of a Google calendar with categories[1]. Just ignore the note 
that says: Events from one or more calendars could not be shown here 
because you do not have the permission to view them. The events would 
be added from the main Google calendar account and the account can be 
shared with multiple people. You can toggle the categories from the 
right hand button (next to Agenda)


Even better, we are using Google's servers, they take care of the 
admin -- backups etc.


Cheers,

Marc

[1] http://parentreprise.com

I got rid of the error message. Anyway, it's just an example of what we 
could have, and, some members would be familiar with filling events in 
Google Agenda.


Cheers,

Marc

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-25 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Marc, *,

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 [Categories for calendar]
 The suggestions were just examples of what could be added as the
 categories for events were being added.

The more I think about it, the less I like the idea of fixed
categories. I guess I'd rather extend the calendar to allow for tags
instead.
As long as the user is fine with filtering only by one single tag,
this is easy (can use simple URLs for that). If the user wants to
include more tags, then a manually crafted URL will do.
If people have some discipline/agreement over what tags to use, I
guess this will work better than categories.
(Categories as I'm thinking of are limited to one category per
calendar entry, while with tags you can have multiple ones)

 [Example of using Google Calendar]
 [1] http://parentreprise.com

 I got rid of the error message.

Hmm - I see a
414. That’s an error.
The requested URL /... is too large to process. That’s all we know.

So the main question is: Shall we use Google calendar instead of our own?

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-25 Thread Marc Paré

Hi

Le 2011-11-25 08:04, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :


Hmm - I see a
414. That’s an error.
The requested URL /... is too large to process. That’s all we know.

So the main question is: Shall we use Google calendar instead of our own?

ciao
Christian



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Let me know what you think.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-24 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
My vote would be for MariaDb.  Is anyone on this list also on the Web-design 
List?  I think it would be best to ask them to set-up the Database?

Errr, MySql is run by Oracle so it might be worth avoiding using that one!  
MariaDb forked off and is a drop-in replacement for it in much the same way 
that Libreffice is a drop-in replacement for OpenOffice (ie MariaDb has 
developed a lot faster than MySql recently)

Regards from
Tom :)

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From: Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012
To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 24 November, 2011, 6:50

Hallo Andreas,

Am 23.11.2011 21:21, schrieb Andreas Mantke:

 could you fix that please (it's a wiki ;-)

I am not sure, how to fix that in a wiki. :-)

There are several types of events in different regions of the world,
some of global interest, some only for some native languages, some
both. We want to keep track of them as well as keep an archive. We
want to apply organizational info, such as who is at the booth, who
will be there for a talk.

I think, this diserves a relational database, rather than a set of
wiki pages. In a wiki, we will end up with several pages, none of
them complete, many of them inconsistent. For example look at
ChemnitzerLinuxTage and LinuxTag on

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2012
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/de

One will have to follow both, in order to get all available information.

It´s a pity, that I don´t have the time to create a DB and bring it
up. :-/

Gruß

Stefan



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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-24 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Stefan,

Am Donnerstag, 24. November 2011, 07:50:25 schrieb Stefan Weigel:
 Hallo Andreas,
 
 Am 23.11.2011 21:21, schrieb Andreas Mantke:
  could you fix that please (it's a wiki ;-)
 
 I am not sure, how to fix that in a wiki. :-)
 
 There are several types of events in different regions of the world,
 some of global interest, some only for some native languages, some
 both. We want to keep track of them as well as keep an archive. We
 want to apply organizational info, such as who is at the booth, who
 will be there for a talk.
 

what about a main page for events in general with links to subpages for every 
year. 
It would be easy to copy the content from the site for 2012 to the site for 
2013 then 
and adapt the data. The sites for 2012 could stay for the archive then.

 I think, this diserves a relational database, rather than a set of
 wiki pages. In a wiki, we will end up with several pages, none of
 them complete, many of them inconsistent. For example look at
 ChemnitzerLinuxTage and LinuxTag on
 
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2012
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/de
 
 One will have to follow both, in order to get all available information.
 
 It´s a pity, that I don´t have the time to create a DB and bring it
 up. :-/

Hmm. That maybe a task for the future, when we attend a big bunch of events. 
Currently I think, we can manage the events with a wiki page and the calendar 
modul 
of Silverstripe or a embedded Google calendar.

Regards,
Andreas
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RE: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-24 Thread Volodymyr Vladimir I. Druzhshchienschkyj
01:19 Friday 25 November 2011  


Dear Tom:

I agree that MySQL is not a good choice because of Oracle.  There are some 
other databases that may be worthy of consideration besides MariaDB.  I 
understand that MariaDB is intended as a dropin replacement for MySQL and that 
there is value in this compatibility with the LAMP and other implementation 
paradigms from the link at: http://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-versus-mysql.  

What about considering PostgreSQL?  While the following link, 
http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/MySQL_vs_PostgreSQL is not directly applicable to 
the MariaDB fork there are many valid points for consideration.  The same with 
this other less recent link: 
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Why_PostgreSQL_Instead_of_MySQL_2009.

Drizzle is the other fork which got my attention because of its addressing 
modern CPU architectures, see:  
http://www.drizzle.org/content/about-drizzle-project and 
http://docs.drizzle.org/brief_history_of_drizzle.html  for a quick overview. 
From their home page the positive affirmative statement that it is ACID 
transactional is worth exploring further.  

My focus comes from a hardware view and what will be the most efficient for 
processing and then the ease for programming and future scalability.  When I 
think of scalability I also think of being able to include Unicode along with 
different regional data representations. 

The idea is to be able to design so the model can be used for other purposes as 
well.  Until you wrote about MariaDB I was not aware of the fork or that of 
Drizzle.  

All the Best,

Volodymyr-

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From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 5:13 AM
To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

Hi :)
My vote would be for MariaDb.  Is anyone on this list also on the Web-design 
List?  I think it would be best to ask them to set-up the Database?

Errr, MySql is run by Oracle so it might be worth avoiding using that one!  
MariaDb forked off and is a drop-in replacement for it in much the same way 
that Libreffice is a drop-in replacement for OpenOffice (ie MariaDb has 
developed a lot faster than MySql recently)

Regards from
Tom :)

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From: Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012
To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 24 November, 2011, 6:50

Hallo Andreas,

Am 23.11.2011 21:21, schrieb Andreas Mantke:

 could you fix that please (it's a wiki ;-)

I am not sure, how to fix that in a wiki. :-)

There are several types of events in different regions of the world,
some of global interest, some only for some native languages, some
both. We want to keep track of them as well as keep an archive. We
want to apply organizational info, such as who is at the booth, who
will be there for a talk.

I think, this diserves a relational database, rather than a set of
wiki pages. In a wiki, we will end up with several pages, none of
them complete, many of them inconsistent. For example look at
ChemnitzerLinuxTage and LinuxTag on

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2012
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/de

One will have to follow both, in order to get all available information.

It´s a pity, that I don´t have the time to create a DB and bring it
up. :-/

Gruß

Stefan



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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-24 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hallo Andreas,

Am 24.11.2011 20:19, schrieb Andreas Mantke:

 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2012
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/de

 One will have to follow both, in order to get all available information.

 It´s a pity, that I don´t have the time to create a DB and bring it
 up. :-/
 
 Hmm. That maybe a task for the future, when we attend a big bunch of events. 

Okay. Until then, I would suggest not to create a two-dimensional
structure of subpages (one dimension for language/region, one
dimension for the year), but rather keep the single structure of
subpages for languages/regions and create a main paragraph for each
year on each page.

I did that as my proposal on
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events

However, I did not mark the page
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2012 for deletion yet.

 Currently I think, we can manage the events with a wiki page

Hm. The problem is, it´s not a single wiki page, but a bunch of
pages and some events are listed redundantly on several pages.
Think, if you are about to add some usefull information about
LinuxTag 2012, would you sure remember to edit two wiki pages
synchronously?

 and the calendar modul 
 of Silverstripe or a embedded Google calendar.

Hm. Yet another place, where the data about the events have to be
updated manually, in addition to the wiki pages.

Gruß

Stefan


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-24 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Andreas et al

Le 2011-11-24 14:19, Andreas Mantke a écrit :



I think, this diserves a relational database, rather than a set of
wiki pages. In a wiki, we will end up with several pages, none of
them complete, many of them inconsistent. For example look at
ChemnitzerLinuxTage and LinuxTag on

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2012
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/de

One will have to follow both, in order to get all available information.

It´s a pity, that I don´t have the time to create a DB and bring it
up. :-/

Hmm. That maybe a task for the future, when we attend a big bunch of events.
Currently I think, we can manage the events with a wiki page and the calendar 
modul
of Silverstripe or a embedded Google calendar.

Regards,
Andreas
Unfortunately, Andreas, this is true. However, if we can manage, right 
from the start, an organized way of inputting our events, then all 
people inputting events would follow the same template; events would be 
categorized; participants would be noted in the events data. This would 
allow us to go back and evaluate our success at event participation and 
show LibreOffice users that we are organized at inputting events.


I would favour a website-based calendar for inputting events rather than 
a wiki page. There are enough of us now with admin rights to 
Silverstripe to input the events as they come up. And, even better, 
maybe some member(s) would take the initiative and input future events 
where a call for participants could be made on the lists. There would 
be no need to keep making up different wiki pages, the calendar database 
take care of storing the events.


If we can do a website calendar-based events registry then there is no 
reason to do it now. We just need someone to put it on the site and let 
us users who are interested in filling it start using it. No need for 
a wiki if we are using a calendar. Otherwise we are constantly trying to 
update too many pages.


Cheers,

Marc

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-23 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hallo Andreas,

Am 22.11.2011 21:52, schrieb Andreas Mantke:

 I created the wiki page at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2012 
 and filled 
 in the events for Europe that I always know.

Hm. It´s not easy for one to keep track on the events.

How does a visitor of the main page
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events know, that there is a
subpage ./2012?

Did you see the localized pages, that are automatically linked from
the main page https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events on the top.

For example, there are already events in 2012 at
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/de? However the language
link for de from the new ./2012 page you created leads to Diese
Seite enthält momentan noch keinen Text. Du kannst ihren Titel auf
anderen Seiten suchen oder die zugehörigen Logbücher betrachten.

Stefan

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-23 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Ahh, i guess the 2011 events listed on the page
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events
need to be moved to a sub-page
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2011
and the 2012 events put in the main page?  Then an opening line stating that 
there are links to the 'previous' year?
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012
To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 23 November, 2011, 13:12

Hallo Andreas,

Am 22.11.2011 21:52, schrieb Andreas Mantke:

 I created the wiki page at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2012 
 and filled 
 in the events for Europe that I always know.

Hm. It´s not easy for one to keep track on the events.

How does a visitor of the main page
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events know, that there is a
subpage ./2012?

Did you see the localized pages, that are automatically linked from
the main page https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events on the top.

For example, there are already events in 2012 at
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/de? However the language
link for de from the new ./2012 page you created leads to Diese
Seite enthält momentan noch keinen Text. Du kannst ihren Titel auf
anderen Seiten suchen oder die zugehörigen Logbücher betrachten.

Stefan

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-23 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Marc, *,

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Le 2011-11-22 15:52, Andreas Mantke a écrit :
 Am Montag, 21. November 2011, 22:06:14 schrieb Marc Paré:
 [requirements for web-calendar]
 -- able to categorize events -- when inputting events, we should be able to
 choose the language and/or various other categories such as TDF Board
 meeting, conferences, Plugfests, etc. Users could then filter their calendar
 views as needed.

Predefined categories are possible. Although I don't think the regular
meetings should be added tot he calendar, for recurring meetings, a
dedicated page that lists the weekly or monthly schedule is more
appropriate.

That leaving the choice for categories - what categories would you like to see?
Are there really that many events that filtering by category is necessary?

 OR

 -- able to add other calendars into a master calendar where a user could
 switch on/off the calendar view. This is done extremely well with Google
 Calendar.

This could be realized via the ics/rss imports/exports - although I
don't really think it is necessary.
Looking at the wiki page we have less than 40 events in 2011, and 2012
currently is at 4. So I don't quite see the need for categories.

ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-23 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Christian,

Le 2011-11-23 09:48, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :

Hi Marc, *,

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com  wrote:

Le 2011-11-22 15:52, Andreas Mantke a écrit :

Am Montag, 21. November 2011, 22:06:14 schrieb Marc Paré:

[requirements for web-calendar]
-- able to categorize events -- when inputting events, we should be able to
choose the language and/or various other categories such as TDF Board
meeting, conferences, Plugfests, etc. Users could then filter their calendar
views as needed.

Predefined categories are possible. Although I don't think the regular
meetings should be added tot he calendar, for recurring meetings, a
dedicated page that lists the weekly or monthly schedule is more
appropriate.
If we are to be transparent, then we should have ALL meetings showing on 
our calendar. New visitors and prospective members will have an easier 
time seeing the frequency of meetings for the different sections of the 
LibreOffice project and, yes, I think the TDF SC meetings should also 
show on the calendar. It should be a place where all people are served. 
It would also show how much of a vibrant and open community that we are. 
We need to get more people involved in the project as there are still 
too few of us trying to manage it. Having all of the events at a glance 
on a calendar month, for example will keep each section appraised of 
each other's schedule and avoid double booking on some days, and, may 
encourage our users to join our membership and help out in a more active 
way or maybe even listen in on the meetings.


Listing meetings on a dedicated page just makes it harder and 
frustrating for users to find these pages. It's just one more hurdle for 
users to handle when we could just add these to the calendar and tag 
them as weekly meetings or monthly meetings once. I don't see the reason 
for making it more difficult for people to see when meetings are 
occurring when it could easily be done through a calendar.




That leaving the choice for categories - what categories would you like to see?
Are there really that many events that filtering by category is necessary?


Categorization normally starts on a small scale and will eventually grow 
as more people get involved in a project. Having the ability to 
categorize/filter is what we should aim for. It would also be nice to 
have this ability for the marketing purposes so that we could better 
analyze the breakdown of dates for marketing plans.


So, categories would then include (at this point):

Conferences
CFP or CFA deadline dates (Call for papers/articles)
Reminder dates for various events where a nudge to users/members is 
necessary
Seminars (for example: LibreOffice help sessions at LUGs, Colleges, 
Universities)

TDF SC meetings
Voting dates/deadlines
Developer meetings
Plugfest meetings
Design meetings
Documentation meetings
Marketing meetings
Other or Miscellaneous (where an event does not fit in any category)




OR

-- able to add other calendars into a master calendar where a user could
switch on/off the calendar view. This is done extremely well with Google
Calendar.

This could be realized via the ics/rss imports/exports - although I
don't really think it is necessary.
Looking at the wiki page we have less than 40 events in 2011, and 2012
currently is at 4. So I don't quite see the need for categories.
The conferences where LibreOffice participated and had some presence in 
2011 should be pre-filled for 2012 and left open for members/users to 
sign-up. Most conferences are announced at least 1 year in advance and 
we should fill these in, if possible, a year or months in advance so 
that members can plan on participating. We may be able to man more 
conferences if we post them on the calendar thus allowing more time for 
members to plan to attend. The calendar then also becomes a booking tool 
for conferences. Same for sectional meetings.


Cheers

Marc

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-23 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Stefan,

Am Mittwoch, 23. November 2011, 14:12:50 schrieb Stefan Weigel:
 Hallo Andreas,
 
 Am 22.11.2011 21:52, schrieb Andreas Mantke:
  I created the wiki page at
  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2012 and filled in the events
  for Europe that I always know.
 
 Hm. It´s not easy for one to keep track on the events.
 
 How does a visitor of the main page
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events know, that there is a
 subpage ./2012?
 
 Did you see the localized pages, that are automatically linked from
 the main page https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events on the top.
 
 For example, there are already events in 2012 at
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/de? However the language
 link for de from the new ./2012 page you created leads to Diese
 Seite enthält momentan noch keinen Text. Du kannst ihren Titel auf
 anderen Seiten suchen oder die zugehörigen Logbücher betrachten.

could you fix that please (it's a wiki ;-)

Regards,
Andreas
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-23 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hallo Andreas,

Am 23.11.2011 21:21, schrieb Andreas Mantke:

 could you fix that please (it's a wiki ;-)

I am not sure, how to fix that in a wiki. :-)

There are several types of events in different regions of the world,
some of global interest, some only for some native languages, some
both. We want to keep track of them as well as keep an archive. We
want to apply organizational info, such as who is at the booth, who
will be there for a talk.

I think, this diserves a relational database, rather than a set of
wiki pages. In a wiki, we will end up with several pages, none of
them complete, many of them inconsistent. For example look at
ChemnitzerLinuxTage and LinuxTag on

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2012
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/de

One will have to follow both, in order to get all available information.

It´s a pity, that I don´t have the time to create a DB and bring it
up. :-/

Gruß

Stefan



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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-22 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Marc,

Am Montag, 21. November 2011, 22:06:14 schrieb Marc Paré:
 Hi Andreas
 
 Le 2011-11-21 15:12, Andreas Mantke a écrit :
(...)
  If nobody objects I will start with a new wiki page for the events of
  2012. I miss a column for the cfp in the current page and will add that
  two the new site.
  
  Regards,
  Andreas
 
 Good one. I also had this on my to-do list. It would be nice if we could
 have something like the sourceforge people who list FOSS events here:
 http://sourceforge.net/blog/calendar-of-open-source-software-events/. I
 had suggested at one point of combining the sourceforce google calendar
 with our own and this would also help us plan for upcoming events. If
 you do a search of the marketing/website lists under calendar you will
 find that there have already been discussions on calendar implementation
 either on the wiki or website.
 
 What you suggest would be great, even if it were only a temporary update.

I created the wiki page at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2012 and 
filled 
in the events for Europe that I always know.

I added sections for North and South America. Maybe we need also a section for 
Asia / 
Australia. It's a wiki, so everyone could create such a section.

I've got the information from Christian Lohmaier that there is calendar add-on 
in our 
website (Silverstripe) and we can use it to make our user aware of the events 
we'll 
attend next.

Regards,
Andreas
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-22 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2011-11-22 15:52, Andreas Mantke a écrit :

Hi Marc,

Am Montag, 21. November 2011, 22:06:14 schrieb Marc Paré:

Hi Andreas

Le 2011-11-21 15:12, Andreas Mantke a écrit :

(...)

If nobody objects I will start with a new wiki page for the events of
2012. I miss a column for the cfp in the current page and will add that
two the new site.

Regards,
Andreas

Good one. I also had this on my to-do list. It would be nice if we could
have something like the sourceforge people who list FOSS events here:
http://sourceforge.net/blog/calendar-of-open-source-software-events/. I
had suggested at one point of combining the sourceforce google calendar
with our own and this would also help us plan for upcoming events. If
you do a search of the marketing/website lists under calendar you will
find that there have already been discussions on calendar implementation
either on the wiki or website.

What you suggest would be great, even if it were only a temporary update.

I created the wiki page at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2012 and 
filled
in the events for Europe that I always know.

I added sections for North and South America. Maybe we need also a section for 
Asia /
Australia. It's a wiki, so everyone could create such a section.

I've got the information from Christian Lohmaier that there is calendar add-on 
in our
website (Silverstripe) and we can use it to make our user aware of the events 
we'll
attend next.

Regards,
Andreas
Thanks for doing this. It looks great. I too do not think that past 
events calendar event be deleted. We should use our past events as 
reference for future dates. I would also favour a website-based 
calendar as this is the landing point for most users.


About the Silverstripe calendar: when I checked into it a while ago, it 
did not seem to fit some of the criteria that I thought would be 
important for a useful calendar. A useful events calendar, as well as 
being able have all the regular input fields for an events calendar, 
should also offer one of these two abilities:


-- able to categorize events -- when inputting events, we should be able 
to choose the language and/or various other categories such as TDF Board 
meeting, conferences, Plugfests, etc. Users could then filter their 
calendar views as needed.


OR

-- able to add other calendars into a master calendar where a user 
could switch on/off the calendar view. This is done extremely well with 
Google Calendar.


Having one or the other of these abilities would give the project all 
the flexibility it would need.


At this point, I would favour embedding a master LibreOffice Google 
Calendar and the various other sections of LibreOffice (TDF SC; 
Developer; Design; Documentation; Marketing as well as the other 
language groups) would create their own calendars and the main 
international calendar could add-on the calendars the other section 
calendars. Then same could be done with the other language groups.


One of the advantages of using the Google Calendar is that we can make 
the calendar public and other groups would be able to embed our calendar 
into their sites. This, from the point of view of marketing, would also 
help us disseminate on a larger scale, any of the LibreOffice events.


This, to me, would permit the needed flexibility in events calendering 
needed by the project. Google Calendar also permits the admin of 
calendars by many individuals. I don't believe we would have any 
problems getting help with getting administrative help from our 
membership as many of us would have enough experience at inputting 
events into a Google calendar.


Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-21 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all,

there is currently a list of events in 2011 on our wiki, where we attended or 
are 
going to attend: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events

I think we should create such a list for the next year in the wiki yet, because 
2012 
is just around the corner. I propose to create a new list for every year and 
don't 
overwrite the current one. I think it is also not appropriate to add the events 
for 
2012 at the top or the bottom of the current list.

If nobody objects I will start with a new wiki page for the events of 2012. I 
miss a 
column for the cfp in the current page and will add that two the new site.

Regards,
Andreas
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] List of Events to attend in 2012

2011-11-21 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Andreas

Le 2011-11-21 15:12, Andreas Mantke a écrit :

Hi all,

there is currently a list of events in 2011 on our wiki, where we attended or 
are
going to attend: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events

I think we should create such a list for the next year in the wiki yet, because 
2012
is just around the corner. I propose to create a new list for every year and 
don't
overwrite the current one. I think it is also not appropriate to add the events 
for
2012 at the top or the bottom of the current list.

If nobody objects I will start with a new wiki page for the events of 2012. I 
miss a
column for the cfp in the current page and will add that two the new site.

Regards,
Andreas
Good one. I also had this on my to-do list. It would be nice if we could 
have something like the sourceforge people who list FOSS events here: 
http://sourceforge.net/blog/calendar-of-open-source-software-events/. I 
had suggested at one point of combining the sourceforce google calendar 
with our own and this would also help us plan for upcoming events. If 
you do a search of the marketing/website lists under calendar you will 
find that there have already been discussions on calendar implementation 
either on the wiki or website.


What you suggest would be great, even if it were only a temporary update.

Cheers,

Marc

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