Re: marketing list round up

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 20:41, Karen Sandler  wrote:
> Some things off the cuff that we have to discuss are:
...
>                - Friends of Gnome program

I recorded some FoG promo videos at last year's Boston Summit and did
the post processing on about half of them; we haven't had anywhere to
post them so they haven't gone up.
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Re: Marketing agenda for Montreal

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Sep 8, 2011 6:10 PM, "Juanjo Marín"  wrote:
> If any marketing work of any consequence is planned for Montreal I'd would
like to be there. if no such marketing work would occur in Montreal, I'm
aware that GNOME financial resources are finite, I need to take days off
from work, so it will more sensible no to attend.

Well, this was just announced yesterday so we haven't made any plans. Time
is short so I suggest apply now if you feel that it is worth your time.
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Re: 3.2 Release Notes: Featured Apps

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 11:21, Andre Klapper  wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 21:48 +0100, Allan Day wrote:
>> > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 14:30, Allan Day  wrote:
>> >> For reference, the existing featured apps can be found on gnome.org
>> >> [1]. Asking whether the applications on that page are the best
>> >> non-core GNOME applications out there today might be a good way to
>> >> proceed. Are there any obvious candidates that have been missed? Are
>> >> there any new applications that are worthy of mention?
>> Some possible candidates: VLC, Scribus, Transmission. Any other ideas?
>
> Evolution, Gedit?
> And in case they are not suitable [yet], I'd wonder if we have criteria
> for Featured Apps, and what they are?

As 'featured' is purely a marketing function, "are they marketable",
is the only criteria. Basically, awesome and appealing to a wide
audience. By that standard, I would exclude Evolution and Gedit;
Evolution for a variety of factors: mainly, its stability and because
it's competing against webmail at a time when the trend is strongly
toward webmail and Gedit because it has a very narrow (though no less
important) audience.

Scribus and VLC (mostly) are Qt-based and so are therefore only
tangentially in our ecosystem.

Transmission is cross-toolkit though no less a good GNOME citizen.

Frankly, we, like all the DE's, don't have a lot of shining examples
to pick from because of the history of needless desktop fragmentation.

My recommendation would be to slowly mutate this list on an on-going basis.
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Re: 3.2 Release Notes: Featured Apps

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 14:30, Allan Day  wrote:
> For reference, the existing featured apps can be found on gnome.org
> [1]. Asking whether the applications on that page are the best
> non-core GNOME applications out there today might be a good way to
> proceed. Are there any obvious candidates that have been missed? Are
> there any new applications that are worthy of mention?

The intended purpose of the Featured Apps status is to highlight high
quality but not to say that they are the best. The goal is to promote
the whole ecosystem.
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Re: Marketing update at AGM

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Aug 8, 2011 5:45 PM, "Stormy Peters"  wrote:
>> * videos
>
>
> If I was going to play one, which one would you recommend?

Accessing Apps Quickly is the most linked to and also likely the most
salient at the moment.
 On Aug 8, 2011 5:45 PM, "Stormy Peters"  wrote:
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Re: Marketing update at AGM

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Aug 8, 2011 11:33 AM, "Stormy Peters"  wrote:
> I could use all your help in calling out what was important and why it was
so cool.
> * GNOME 3
>  * Launch parties
>  * press
>  * all the work Allan and Sumanah did
> ...

* videos
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Re: bad press in the G+ circles/press

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Aug 8, 2011 11:44 AM, "Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier" 
wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Allan Day  wrote:
> > I have no problem with criticism. All I ask is that it's done in a
> > constructive manner.
>
> And how was I not constructive?

Stop this.
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Re: marketing meetup at DS

[Jason D. Clinton]

As far as I can tell from following Twitter, Stormy is the only person from
the marketing team who is at the summit. Probably a good idea to reach out
to her to see if she can make it.
 On Aug 7, 2011 11:20 AM, "Jos Poortvliet"  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Together with Karen I'll host a marketing team meetup to discuss a
> couple of things. Please attend if you can!!! Of course we'll share the
> results and input on what to discuss is welcome here too.
>
> http://wiki.desktopsummit.org/Workshops_%26_BoFs/2011/gnome-
> marketing_meetup
>
> I'd also like you to stay for the cross-desktop marketing meetup we'll
> do after the GNOME one.
>
> http://wiki.desktopsummit.org/Workshops_%26_BoFs/2011/cross-marketing-
> meetup
>
> Yes, I've reserved 2 hour for both but esp the second one will surely be
> cut short considering I'm going to cook - see here:
> http://wiki.desktopsummit.org/Food_time
>
> Sign up for that too ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Jos
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Re: new wgo and friends of gnome

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 08:55, Frederic Muller  wrote:

> I was actually trying to find the "new" page for friends of gnome and get
> redirected to http://www-old.gnome.org/friends/ .
>
> Which reminds me that the FOG progress bar has now also disappeared from
> both planet and wgo.
>
> I thought we agreed to keep it there, so is there something I can do (as in
> HTML/CSS stuff) make it come back?
>
> Thanks a lot.
>

Andreas has an update to the site in the works[1] which also need the FoG
videos[2] incorporated in to it.

[1]
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2011-January/msg7.html
[2] http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/FoG/
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GNOME 3 Screenshots for Journalists

[Jason D. Clinton]

There is a dearth of people running the near-final code so I took some
screen shots at 720p for people to pass around. Feel free to share
this far and wide.

http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/gnome3_screenshots/

Also, I would really like journalist to embed the videos in their stories:

http://www.youtube.com/user/GNOMEDesktop
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GNOME 3: Creating a Workspace

[Jason D. Clinton]

Video #3 is up on YouTube:
http://youtu.be/bRHAio98n-g

Probably not going to RFC any more due to time constraints. Let me
know if you see any glaring mistakes, though.
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Re: Created subtitles for Working with windows video

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 13:50, Andreas Nilsson  wrote:
> Hi!
> I think this wasn't done yet, so here it is
> http://www.universalsubtitles.org/en/videos/mU1qH87r4d4d/info/GNOME%203:%20Working%20with%20Windows/
>
> Will add it to the gnome3.org site tomorrow, please review and/or add more
> languages.

Is it possible to provide the embed link with the YouTube HTML5 force
parameter? The performance of the subtitles+Flash version is fairly
poor for me: it stutters when loading each subtitle.
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Fwd: Fedora 15 schedule to slip an additional week

[Jason D. Clinton]

Just FYI for our planning/messaging purposes, per below, it's looking like
1.5 months from the time that GNOME 3 releases to the first general
availability of it in a distro in a default installation.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Jared K. Smith 
Date: Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 15:37
Subject: Fedora 15 schedule to slip an additional week
To: devel-announce 


The Fedora 15 development cycle is well under way, and making good
progress.  Yesterday I met[1] with Release Engineering, QA, the Fedora
Program Manager, and we decided that in order to accommodate some
late-breaking changes, we're going to need to slip the Fedora 15
release schedule by a week in order to have adequate time to do proper
testing of the candidate images before the Beta.  This slip will
affect the entire Fedora 15 development cycle, as shown in the chart
below:

  o F15 Devel Start2010-11-02
  o Feature Submission Deadline2011-01-25
  o Feature Freeze 2011-02-08
  o Branch From Rawhide2011-02-08
  o Software String Freeze 2011-02-15
  o Alpha Change Deadline  2011-02-15
  o Alpha Release  2011-03-08
 N O W ---
  o Software Translation Deadline  2011-04-05
  o Beta Change Deadline   2011-04-05
  o Features 100% Complete 2011-04-05
  o Beta Release   2011-04-19
  o Final Change Deadline  2011-05-09
  o Compose RC 2011-05-10
  o GA 2011-05-24

Robyn Bergeron has also kindly updated the complete break-out of the
Fedora release schedule, which is available from
http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/.  If you have any
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Re: About GNOME, Support GNOME

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 15:25, Allan Day  wrote:
> About Support GNOME: we don't currently have this, but it seems pretty
> essential to me. I'm sure there are plenty of items that I've missed.
> Tell me what!

I stopped working on the FoG videos here [1] because the FoG site was
going to be redone with space for a video player. Maybe these videos
are better on this page?

[1] http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/FoG/
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Re: Fallback / Classic Mode

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 13:16, Dave Neary  wrote:
> It appears you're happy telling people what to concentrate on, all I'm
> saying is that I'm not.

I would appreciate it if you would avoid ascribing me to certain
positions that I am not taking.


> But I bet that this will be an issue, and it's
> one we can handle easily with a tiny bit of foresight.

There is no issue because we planned for a Fallback Mode in 3.0 from
the beginning and it is implemented (modulo some bugs that need to be
squashed before release.)


>>> The whole "fall-back" messaging & in particular the absence of a short
>>> list of places where this is known not to be appropriate seems to me to
>>> be setting us up for an entirely avoidable post-release shit-storm...
>>> but like I said, it's not my call.
>>
>> What do you mean, "Not to be appropriate?"
>
> GNOME 3 is not appropriate, apparently, over VNC, and over thin clients
> (at least, this is what I've taken away from this thread). So we need to
> say "GNOME 3 won't work well in , and since the GNOME
> 3 fall-back is not a full-featured GNOME desktop, you might want to
> stick with GNOME 2.32 if you're in this situation."

GNOME 3 is *not* GNOME Shell. I'm disheartened that you are this
misinformed as a regular reader of this mailing list and a blogger on
Planet GNOME. Frankly, I don't know what else we could have done to
better inform you but if you have a suggestion as to how it is that
you came to be so misguided and what we could have done to reach out
to you earlier, that would certainly help this marketing process.


>> Fallback will work
>> everywhere that GNOME 2.x has worked and any sysadmin crazy enough to
>> deploy an enterprise desktop roll-out of a non-Enterprise distribution
>> already has the tools they need to force Fallback Mode if they are so
>> inclined. I don't see why it's even remotely relevant to the release
>> of 3.0.
>
> Do you think no-one will bring this up?

Bring what up? Fallback Mode is part of GNOME 3.
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Re: Fallback / Classic Mode

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:33, Dave Neary  wrote:
> Jason D. Clinton wrote:
>  Not my call - I guess Allan & Sumana, in collaboration with the
> board, are fixing priorities for the next 2-3 weeks.

What does the Board have to do with the Marketing Team? Allan and
Sumana, as members of the Marketing Team, are certainly good decision
makers but the Board should not be doing any top-down management and I
certainly hope that the Board is not putting Allan and Sumana in the
difficult position of having to choose between what they know is the
right thing to do and what their contract provider is asking that they
do. I think that they are both qualified enough to stand on their own
without being micromanaged. Further, I hope that any such discussions
are transparent and exclusively on this mailing list.


> The whole "fall-back" messaging & in particular the absence of a short
> list of places where this is known not to be appropriate seems to me to
> be setting us up for an entirely avoidable post-release shit-storm...
> but like I said, it's not my call.

What do you mean, "Not to be appropriate?" Fallback will work
everywhere that GNOME 2.x has worked and any sysadmin crazy enough to
deploy an enterprise desktop roll-out of a non-Enterprise distribution
already has the tools they need to force Fallback Mode if they are so
inclined. I don't see why it's even remotely relevant to the release
of 3.0.
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Re: Fallback / Classic Mode

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 07:15, Dave Neary  wrote:
>> In terms of marketing, I'm not sure it makes sense to be targeting these
>> kinds of users right now. In the longer term, it would be useful to see
>> wider discussion about GNOME's approach to these kinds of technical
>> environments.
>
> I buy that, but I think it's important that we have a "who is GNOME 3
> *not* for (yet)" which covers audiences for whom GNOME 3 is not
> appropriate. And we need to have a story for them - such as "we
> recommend you stick with GNOME 2.32 for another 6 months", or whatever.

There are no Enterprise distributions due out until at least the GNOME
3.4 time frame so please let's focus on what we actually need to focus
on right now: the 3.0 launch.
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Re: Video #2 RFC

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:02, Diego Escalante Urrelo  wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Jason D. Clinton  
> wrote:
>>
>> A "release candidate" is now in the same spot in 4Mbit/s rendering.
>> Unless someone finds some problem with it, I say we try uploading this
>> one to our YouTube account tomorrow, try embedding it on the
>> gnome3.org site with UT, and see how it goes.
>>
>
> Let's go for it. I'll guess you have access to the youtube account?

No, I don't. Whoever does, please upload this 4Mbit/s final version to
the YouTube account and coordinate the implementation on gnome3.org
with Universal Subtitles:
http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/gnome3_launch_videos/gnome3_launch_video2_final.webm
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Re: Video #2 RFC

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 03:58, Alberto Ruiz  wrote:
> Just one suggestion, I have the feeling that transitions between the
> desktop and you standing are a bit too slow. For example, the second
> time you show up, there's more time of transitioning than you
> explaining to the camera, which isn't very nice.
>
> Other than that, I love it! Good work! :-)

I tried moving the transition time from 1s to 0.5s and it completely
fell apart at low bit rates. However, I did address some of the
problem by increasing the camera time slightly.
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Re: Video #2 RFC

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 22:53, Jason D. Clinton  wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 19:05, Jason D. Clinton  wrote:
>> A first production attempt of launch video #2 is available here.
>> Comments, please. The sooner, the better because two more will be
>> produced tomorrow.
>> http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/gnome3_launch_videos/gnome3_launch_video2_beta.webm
>
> I just uploaded an updated version with the same file name as above
> that incorporates some feedback:

A "release candidate" is now in the same spot in 4Mbit/s rendering.
Unless someone finds some problem with it, I say we try uploading this
one to our YouTube account tomorrow, try embedding it on the
gnome3.org site with UT, and see how it goes.

All source files for this one are now posted, too.
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Re: Video #2 RFC

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Mar 20, 2011 5:05 AM, "Allan Day"  wrote:
>  * Lorem ipsum: realistic content would be better. I'll be online in a
> couple of hours - ping me and I can work something up for you if you'd
> like.

I did that intentionally for two reasons: more people who speak other
languages will see the videos than English speakers once the translations
are done and Lorem ipsum is as close to internationally recognized
"giberish" that I could think of, and I don't want people's eyes to be drawn
to content on the screen instead of the interface.

>  * 'it's as easy as that': unnecessary, I think. It could be pulled.

I will edit this out. Very easy to do.

>  * Hearing the script out loud, I realise that the script I wrote could
> be better. There are some repetitions of 'screen', for instance. Here
> are some alternatives:
>
> 'With GNOME 3, you can easily make a window fill half the screen. To do
> this, drag the window as before, but push it to one side. This is really
> useful, because you can use it to easily view two windows at once.'
>
> 'Again, each window can be returned to normal by dragging it away from
> the screen edge.'

Too late to refilm the speaking but I will try to cut to avoid that
ackwardness you mentioned.
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Re: Video #2 RFC

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Mar 19, 2011 11:37 PM, "Olav Vitters"  wrote:
> ==> 1.4 GB in 31 days max

Hi Olav,

I am guessing you provided these numbers to help guide our bandwidth
consumption? It is my intention to only use people.g.o for collaboration on
this mailing list; I don't intend to post it to my blog or to use this
server for gnome3.org. Our plan is to use the GNOME YouTube account for
that.

Do you have a recommendation for another place to collaborate?
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Re: Video #2 RFC

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 19:05, Jason D. Clinton  wrote:
> A first production attempt of launch video #2 is available here.
> Comments, please. The sooner, the better because two more will be
> produced tomorrow.
> http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/gnome3_launch_videos/gnome3_launch_video2_beta.webm

I just uploaded an updated version with the same file name as above
that incorporates some feedback:

 * fade in and out at beginning and end
 * Gaussian blur of Blue Strips when it's behind me while I'm talking
   to compensate for lack of foreground sharpness
 * CC license data for theme song at end

By the way, the format is WebM + Ogg Vorbis @ 2Mbit/s. Might need to
render a little higher to make YouTube's trans-coding process happy.
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Re: Video #2 RFC

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 21:53, Diego Escalante Urrelo  wrote:
> You have a tiny bit too much space above your head, I think.

Mmm... too late to change that but I will definitely reconsider the
crop frame for videos 5-8 when I film them.

> Did you review the script for #4? Should I try with that one :)?

Yea, already go to. Let me know if you have any questions!
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Video #2 RFC

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A first production attempt of launch video #2 is available here.
Comments, please. The sooner, the better because two more will be
produced tomorrow.
http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/gnome3_launch_videos/gnome3_launch_video2_beta.webm
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Re: Moduleset Reorganization -- Take two

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 02:47, Frederic Peters  wrote:
> Too slow probably, so after discussing things at the Boston Summit,
> new modulesets written by Jon McCann[1] were pushed, those were
> certainly close to what the release team envisoned, but they also had
> their share of problems, and the release team, and other teams, had to
> follow suit, fixing both those new sets, and the various tools that
> had been broken in the change.

Hi everyone! I bet you were hoping you'd never see another email on
this thread! ;-)

For everyone's reference, the defined modulesets are here:
http://git.gnome.org/browse/jhbuild/tree/modulesets

But that's not what this email is about. This email is as much as
follow-up to this thread as it is a follow-up to the Summit discussion
documented here .
Specifically, the argument over "Featured Applications." At the time,
after the session, Vincent, Ryan Lortie, and I spoke some more and I
proposed a compromise which they both liked: Release Team continue to
administer the formal new module proposal process for Core (that is,
everything which would be considered part of "GNOME OS" and is
currently in the Core moduleset) and external dependencies process as
they are handled today and Marketing Team would select applications
from the entire GNOME ecosystem to feature in marketing materials as a
means by which to promote application quality and our ecosystem. There
had been no further communication between us about this proposal until
today.

Today, representatives from the Marketing Team (Andreas, Allan and
myself) and Vincent, representing the Release Team, discussed this
because it is time to select featured applications for 3.0's
marketing. We agreed to move forward with this proposal. Beginning in
the next few days the Marketing Team will select applications to
feature for the 3.0 release. The criteria will be the following:

1. Quality
2. Solving a popular problem
3. GNOME-iness
4. Bonus points for cross-platform-iness

Our goal is simply to promote the GNOME ecosystem in any manner that
makes sense from a marketing perspective. Being a featured application
is transient, canonically maintained as a list that happens to be live
on our web sites at any given moment, and not particularly a badge of
honor to be fought over or bandied about from a module's perspective.
(It is not a statement that it is *the* GNOME app. of any particular
function.) It merely reflects the Marketing Team's feelings about the
application’s status on the above 4 criteria. And obviously, marketing
being visually dominated, visual things are likely to get more
attention.

Marketing Team will look at (and build from source with jhbuild!)
first applications which appear in the "apps" moduleset defined above
but we may look outside the jhbuild modulesets. New projects or new
application module maintainers are encouraged to continue to go
through the process of having their application included in the
jhbuild moduleset by the normal means (Bugzilla) to make it easier for
us to screenshot. We are not making any judgments about political
things like the locations of the project hosting. For example, we all
agree that Simple Scan, though hosted on LaunchPad, is going to be a
featured application. Also, we all agree that both Banshee and
Rhythmbox are excellent applications which will both be featured.
There's no reason to select just one.

In the meeting today we did not address the concern of translator
attention which was raised at the Summit but my personal feelings on
the matter are that translators will continue, as they always have, to
translate those modules which are popular regardless of whether they
are featured or not.

To make it absolutely clear, the list of featured applications is that
list which is featured on the web at any particular moment. There’s no
formal add or remove process except that normal process by which
marketing is done. People interested in having their application
featured are always welcome to mail the marketing-list to bring
something new to our attention.

Marketing Team, now more than ever, could use volunteers and is always
open to additional members. If you’re interested in joining the
Marketing Team, hop on IRC and join #marketing and join the mailing
list; we’d love the help.

One final note: at this point this is going to be JFDI by the
Marketing Team but we are always interested in hearing the GNOME
Community’s feedback. Please direct any comments or questions that you
have to marketing-list (note the CC).

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Re: GNOME 3 videos

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 04:25, Allan Day  wrote:
> Do you think it would be desirable for us to put out a set of more basic
> videos or screencasts in the interim? There is obviously a lot of
> interest in some of the GNOME 3 features that you cannot show using
> screenshots. Also - as you know - there have been a number of decidedly
> substandard screencasts appear on the web. We could slap a beta label on
> them if that would help.
>
> There are one or two people who might be willing to help with this, but
> I don't want it to conflict with what you are working on, and I want to
> ensure that what we are putting out is of sufficiently high quality.

Yes, just have them follow the screen casting guide that I published.
They need ffmpeg with x264 support to get the initial recording in a
low-CPU, low-disk I/O near-lossless format and then they can transcode
that to WebM when they're done. They also need to set their desktop to
1280x720 using xrandr's scale feature so that all the videos have the
same aspect ration and the UI elements on the screen are clearly
visible. All of this is in the HOWTO.

> On a separate subject, there are a couple of things I'd like to see
> covered in our videos, from a design and marketing pov:
>
>  * Accessing the activities overview: this is the most basic operation
> people need to learn to use the GNOME 3 desktop. The video would cover
> the three ways of entering and exiting the overview (activities button,
> hot corner, windows key [we need a better name for that!]).
>
>  * Arranging your windows: a subject on which there has been recent
> attention; also a place where users might benefit from seeing how it
> works. The video would cover drag to maximise/unmaximise, double click
> to maximise/unmaximise, and half-screen tiling.
>
>  * A walk around the overview: introduce the key parts of the activities
> overview (dash, windows view, applications view, workspaces switcher,
> messaging tray). Would give a quick introduction and demonstration of
> each one.
>
> Any thoughts? (Apologies - I know it's late in the day to be bring this
> up.) I can write scripts for these, if you'd like.

Yea, just update the Gnome3In30Seconds page with anything you want covered.
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Re: GNOME 3 videos

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 16:07, will kahn-greene  wrote:
>
> http://bluesock.org/~willg/test/gmc.html

This is the source that I see at that link which is missing the html5
force parameter:



http://www.youtube.com/embed/ok100U4Fo3Y?rel=0"; frameborder="0"
type="text/html">



Additionally, I tested in to my Xoom and it played there in WebM, even
without the force parameter.
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Re: GNOME 3 videos

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 14:27, will kahn-greene  wrote:

> This last bit is kind of important.  The last time I checked, you
> couldn't access the html5/webm version of YouTube without an account and
> without being logged in.
>
> If that's still the case, then I can't do the html5/webm versions on
> GNOME Miro Community.


According to this you can force HTML5 with &html5=1 on the video URL in the
IFRAME player:
https://www.google.com/support/forum/p/youtube/thread?tid=3999166edeabe3da&hl=en

I tried it on Firefox 4 and it didn't work but it did work on Chrome. The
video I tested was this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok100U4Fo3Y&html5=1

Can you try it with some existing Miro video from YouTube and see if it
works? Note that you must use the IFRAME player.



>  Also, GNOME Miro Community will be looking at
> different versions of the videos and thus I'm pretty sure we'll have to
> do subtitle stuff for both the webm and the non-webm versions of the video.
>

UT doesn't care about versions, as far as I know. It'll be one translation
file for all formats.
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Re: GNOME 3 videos

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 17:33, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:

> I'm looking at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/Gnome3In30Seconds and
> http://jasondclinton.livejournal.com/82744.html  -- I'm downloading some
> of the videos, but my connection is really slow right now so I can't judge
> whether any of them are ready to go up on gnome3.org.  (Also, Jason said
> they'd need to be refilmed about now anyway -- updated, I assume.)
>

There are still some outstanding theme changes and some UI changes that just
landed so there's nothing ready to post. I had, at one time, hoped I'd have
time to post videos in beta quality (similar to the video you downloaded)
with an overlay on the video so that they wouldn't be re-posted on tech.
blogs but I never had time to do that and they would have to be re-filmed
now that the UI has changed, anyway.

I've reserved my free time from the 11th through the 20th for filming and
post-production. How many will I finish during that time? I don't know. I've
asked for help several times throughout the past year and a half and haven't
gotten any offers except for some help with music, so as far as I know, it's
just me working on them, even though I posted that complete HOWTO. Would
love the help but I'm afraid the technical learning curve is too high for
anyone not familiar with video and video editing and we're just too close to
the deadline for me to invest any time in training someone else.



> The marketing roadmap
> http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/MarketingRoadmap  suggests that I
> should reach out ASAP to the translation team to make translations of the
> video scripts -- that is, the words that the narrators are saying, and any
> important words visible on the screen.  That way, once we have re-filmed
> videos with up-to-date installations of GNOME 3, the translators can use
> http://universalsubtitles.org and easily copy and paste their translations
> into the subtitling interface.
>

The "scripts" are loose and get modified a bit when I film and go in to
post-production and find out that an idea that I had didn't work out quite
right. Having people start translating these early would probably be
frustrating for them. Additionally, jimmac said that he wanted to add/change
some scripts.

My feeling is that we go live with UT and English and allow crowd-sourced
translation from live-day. Whether that happens to be by the translation
teams or a random community member, I don't think it makes any difference as
long as "live-day" is in advance of the GNOME 3 launch day.


2) We have about 6 sample scripts for Gnome3In30Seconds ... are they final
> enough to give to translators?  If not, I suggest people edit them before
> Monday so I can give them to the i18n team as soon as possible.
>

Yea, let's not do that or at least with a giant caveat that something
translated may not even remotely resemble the final product. Or may never
even end up getting used.

On the topic of help, what someone could definitely help set up would be
preparing our YouTube account (don't remember who has login) and figure out
how to force YouTube in to HTML5 embedding mode and how to make that work
with UT. All I know is that the "new" YouTube embedding method involves
IFRAME's and I'm not even entirely sure that it's possible to force HTML5
mode.

Red Hat asked that we not put the videos on their servers for fear of launch
day bandwidth-related meltdowns. So, it's going to have to be hosted in the
cloud somewhere and YouTube seems the friendliest option. They (Google)
support GNOME and they're pushing HTML5+WebM.
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Re: window controls removing max and min from windows committed..

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:03, Sriram Ramkrishna  wrote:

> Some kind of video diary maybe?  Pick a selection of people of various
> backgrounds and have them go through the changes within a week?  Or maybe we
> could use a text diary, it doesn't matter and then put that on GNOME3?  We
> definitely need to encourage people.
>

I think these are good ideas but I want to say that we are well past the
point where we can debate taking action on anything. If you think this is a
good idea, just go for it and we'll worry about the consequences later.

We're six weeks away from launch and it seems like we have a whole bunch of
"wouldn't be nice if" for marketing team that has either been stopped by
various people saying "no" or which have no owner.

Need a little more JFDI now and less debate.
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Mission statement status

[Jason D. Clinton]

After reviewing a few email threads that mentioned the topic, it seems
that the most up-to-date copy of the mission statement is held here:

https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/ConferenceMaterial/Brochure

I don't have any complaints about the statement--I actually love it.
However, I am wondering if the statement getting prominently placed on
http://www.gnome.org/about/ was blocking on the new website launch or
some other reason?
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Re: GNOME Corporate Sponsor Brainstorming

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 14:23, Brian Cameron  wrote:
>>
>> Level 2: $5000 / year
>> Benefits:  Logo added to foundation.gnome.org and quarterly one on one
>> call with the Executive Director.  Same as above and an opportunity to
>> share feedback with GNOME's CEO.
>
> I think it is valuable to have an option like this, but I'd expect
> that most organizations would fall into category #1 above, and not
> really want this sort of access to the foundation.
>
> I think a third category is also really needed.  It would be nice if
> there were a small donation fee (perhaps $200) that individual GNOME
> consultants or small consulting firms could pay in order to get
> themselves advertised on the GNOME website as being consulting
> contacts.  I think this would appeal to many coders for hire out
> there, and would be a way for them to increase their relationship
> with GNOME directly.

+1 to most of the ideas thrown out here but the above back-and-forth
got me thinking about how we could articulate (or narrate) to a donor
what it is that they are doing with their money. It's great to say
"you get X, Y and Z for your contribution," and another to say that
you get "X, Y and Z for your contribution because of what you help us
create." I'm thinking specifically of companies that have donated
their office space for our hackfests. True, some of these have been
Advisory Board members but even when they've already given us money,
they went an extra step and allowed us to interfere with their
company's day-to-day operations in a material way. Why?

The only over-arching idea that I guess is "a better seat at the
table" which is, ostensibly, what the Advisory Board and the proposed
one-on-one with the ED get them. But I'm thinking that if we agree
that this is some kind of unifying donor pathos, then we can start to
ask questions like, "Should donors be encouraged to participate
in/table at hack-fests?"
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Re: gnome3.org update [Was: 4/14 Friends of GNOME videos finished and posted]

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 09:29, Jason D. Clinton  wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 05:27, Allan Day  wrote:
>
>> Jason's kindly offered to create a branch where we can prepare these
>> updates before making them live.
>>
>
> I have pushed a new branch called "marketing-team-collab" which currently
> doesn't differ from master but can safely be updated at any time without
> affecting the live site. (So anyone should feel free to push new ideas here
> at any point. It's easy to undo something in the branch.)
>

Push a few iterations. Bottom images need some kind of flow work.
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Re: gnome3.org update [Was: 4/14 Friends of GNOME videos finished and posted]

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 05:27, Allan Day  wrote:

> Jason's kindly offered to create a branch where we can prepare these
> updates before making them live.
>

I have pushed a new branch called "marketing-team-collab" which currently
doesn't differ from master but can safely be updated at any time without
affecting the live site. (So anyone should feel free to push new ideas here
at any point. It's easy to undo something in the branch.)

If you're new to git, all you need to do is do a "git fetch" on your
existing gnome3-web directory so that your local copy is up to date and then
do:

$ git checkout origin/marketing-team-collab -b marketing-team-collab

If you make a mistake and push something here which you want to revert, do a
"git revert" locally and then push the result to the origin with "git push
origin marketing-team-collab". Later we can squish reverted entries in the
log before merging them to master (so the history looks nice and clean.)
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Re: Questions about FoG and campaigns

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:08, Og Maciel  wrote:
> Since we last spoke at last year's Boston Summit I felt that people
> didn't make their priority to deliver what they had promised. Now,
> obviously being the end of the year I understand that people were
> already spread thin but our end of year campaign suffered when not all
> the moving parts came together on time. So going forward, I want to
> schedule campaigns a few months in advance so that we can all have
> enough time to work on our tasks. Would 6-month campaigns give enough
> time to deliver a well oiled campaign? I believe that there are
> already plans to do a campaign for buying hardware (sysadmin) and
> another one for a11y. We could also do one for the Women's Outreach
> program, so... should we extend the current campaign until June and
> then do back-to-back-to-back campaigns for them? That would give us 5
> months to work on them and make sure everything is ready.
>
> What do you guys think?

Yes, we didn't achieve our goals (me included) but I think there's
some great go-energy behind Andreas' redesign of the site[1]. I have
already volunteered to modify it to support the FoG videos[2]. I would
be willing to add to my volunteer responsibilities finishing what
Andreas has started (with his approval). It looks like some tweaks and
details on the site need to be ironed out and I could additionally
create, in advance, the suggested variations for each of the
campaigns.

I guess the question would be: do the campaigns switch like clock-work
or do we do it manually depending on how close we are to the goal when
the time for the next campaign period arrives?

[1] http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/friends-of-gnome-2.0/
[2] http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/FoG/
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Re: GNOME Journal

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:05, Paul Cutler  wrote:
>  We're looking for articles on the new features, updates to
> applications, interviews, you name it - and we need your help!

Might be good to ask d-d-l as a part of the process of getting people
thinking about release notes.
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[Jason D. Clinton]

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:03, Allan Day  wrote:
> A GNOME 3 Q&A session would be an extremely beneficial part of our
> marketing campaign. It would demonstrate that GNOME is open and cares
> about its users, and it would be an effective way of dealing with
> negative comments on the web. It's really good to be able to say 'if
> you have concerns, please come and talk to us'.
>
> Do people think this is a good idea? If you do, how do we make it
> happen? The first thing we'll need are volunteers...

I think it would be great to do this with volunteers on the marketing
team but I do not want to make it a requirement that any other teams
contribute: their plates are already full. We could certain extend an
invitation to other teams, though.

My recommendation would be to use the existing #gnome on GIMPnet which
already frequently gets user questions that go unanswered. Perhaps we
could establish office hours like the design team has done.
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Re: 4/14 Friends of GNOME videos finished and posted

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 15:10, Jason D. Clinton  wrote:

> The last commit adds the text areas and needs a little iteration. Please
> feel free to tweak it without clearing it with me before posting it.
>
> Also feel free to publish the updated screen shots without my last commit
> if you feel you'd like to go live immediately without the added text areas.
>

Well, I was under the impression that a publishing step was required but I
guess it's live already. Oops!

I'll iterate on the text a little more now to make it presentable but feel
free to remove or comment out areas at a whim.
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Re: 4/14 Friends of GNOME videos finished and posted

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 03:01, Allan Day  wrote:

> Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 07:05, Allan Day  wrote:
> >
> > It would be really good to have screenshots from this kind of
> > system for
> >
> > gnome3.org. (Hint hint!)
> >
> > Thoughts on optimal screen size for screen shots? I'm targeting
> > 1280x720 for the videos (for obvious reasons) but I could use the
> > xrandr scale magic to get a native screen of any size for the screen
> > shots.
>
> Good question. The main consideration is what looks best; anything in
> the 1280x800 - 1366x768 range seems fine in my experience. (1366x768 is
> the resolution of the images that are on the site at the moment.)
>

I have uploaded all new screen shots, added three more, and added five new
text areas. The last commit adds the text areas and needs a little
iteration. Please feel free to tweak it without clearing it with me before
posting it.

Also feel free to publish the updated screen shots without my last commit if
you feel you'd like to go live immediately without the added text areas.
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Re: Official announcement and invitation to GNOME 3.0 Hackfest and GNOME.Asia Summit 2011

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Jan 22, 2011 12:04 PM, "Vincent Untz"  wrote:
>
> Le vendredi 21 janvier 2011, à 23:41 +0800, Frederic Muller a écrit :
> > So Hackfest registration is happening here:
> > http://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/GNOME.Asia2011 , call for papers for
> > the conference is here http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/CallForPaper
> > and conference registration will be opening soon.
>
> What's the plan on the marketing team side? Do we have people who can
> go? I didn't see any replies on marketing-list to the previous mails,
> unless I missed something.

Since the dates selected are the span of a work week I cannot go. The
scheduling reprecussions would be too difficult to absorb.

I would be happy to make myself available on Monday and Wednesday evening on
IRC, however.

If enough people can't make it and doing telepresence on a larger scale
makes sense, I would be willing to take a few days off work to make that
more productive. I don't think doing telepresence makes sense if there is a
conference as those who would be remote would likely reduce the conference
productivity as much as aid it due to synchronization overhead.
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Re: 4/14 Friends of GNOME videos finished and posted

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 07:05, Allan Day  wrote:

> It would be really good to have screenshots from this kind of system for
> gnome3.org. (Hint hint!)
>

Thoughts on optimal screen size for screen shots? I'm targeting 1280x720 for
the videos (for obvious reasons) but I could use the xrandr scale magic to
get a native screen of any size for the screen shots.
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4/14 Friends of GNOME videos finished and posted

[Jason D. Clinton]

Unlike the previews from late November, these files can be considered
"done." I have reduced the bandwidth requirements by half while mostly
retaining the same level of quality. (Yay, codec progress!)

http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/FoG/

I think it would be fine to put these finalized versions in the git repo.
for site development convenience. (I would not put anything this large which
is anticipated to change in to a git repo.)

There will not be H.264 versions of these files as we cannot pay the
streaming licenses and the FoG target audience is going to be running a
browser which can play Theora or WebM. Also, these files are so small,
bandwidth shouldn't be a concern.

My suggestion would be to use straight-forward, browser UI, nested 
tags to put these on the FoG site update (with the WebM version on the
outside so that it is preferred). The video URL would be randomly selected
from a list that we provide by either client-side JS or server-side
scripting. I also believe that http://universalsubtitles.org/ is the method
by which we should solve the a11y and i18n challenges; it's crowd sourced
via this method. If there aren't any show-stoppers and no one else steps up
to implement this change, I will implement the suggested site changes.
Later, if bandwidth becomes a problem, perhaps we can distribute the load by
asking people to mirror a video and we can use the same random URL provider
to rotate between mirrors.

All videos are 720P 30fps with 128Kbit/s Vorbis stereo audio. The WebM
videos targeted 1Mbit/s. The Theora videos targeted 2Mbit/s and have
slightly more artifacting despite being almost twice as large.

I am still thinking about what to do about the gnome3.org video hosting and
video format questions as the audience and bandwidth situation is slightly
different. And no solution proposed so far is perfect.

I've solved a number of problems with my video workflow (by building a bunch
of stuff from svn and git, by hand) so I can crank the remaining 10 FoG
videos out over the coming days including that re-spin of the GNOME 3
preview that I have promised.

Also, I just today finished assembling a GNOME 3 installation with the
finalized Adwaita theme, the new GNOME font (Cantarell) with git master OTF
hinting, the latest GNOME Shell git, and most of the GNOME 3 applications in
their current state. GNOME 3 is looking *fantastic* now that the design
vision is coming together with the art team's work. I'm hugely optimistic
about the GNOME 3 final product and we are rapidly approaching the time when
producing materials that look near-identical to the final version becomes
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Re: www.gnome3.org launch

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 06:59, Jason D. Clinton  wrote:

> I'd like to get at least one video up. There is
> http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/gnome3_video2_beta.webm<http://people.gnome.org/%7Ejclinton/gnome3_video2_beta.webm>and
> http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/gnome3_video2_beta.ogv<http://people.gnome.org/%7Ejclinton/gnome3_video2_beta.ogv>but
>  it needs to be re-spun for the latest look and feel. I could do that
> this evening (baring solving some Rawhide problems).
>

The re-spin isn't going to happen tonight. I just finished beating ffmpeg on
rawhide in to submission and will have to build kdenlive and mlt from source
tomorrow because the rpmfusion packages are 9 months out-of-date.

So, shooting for tomorrow evening.
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Re: www.gnome3.org launch

[Jason D. Clinton]

s/real/strong/

Sorry, figure of speech.
 On Jan 17, 2011 8:49 AM, "Dave Neary"  wrote:
> Hi Jason
>
> Jason D. Clinton wrote:
>> Sounds like there's no real opposition to Stormy's "Made to Inspire" so
>> let's do that.
>
> Just for my benefit, can you tell me what constitutes "real" opposition?
> Because obviously my remarks don't count...
>
> Cheers,
> Dave.
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Re: www.gnome3.org launch

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 05:20, Allan Day  wrote:

> We're pretty much at the stage where we can launch a preliminary version
> of gnome3.org. Ideally, we'd set a launch date and circulate a press
> release in advance, so that sites and blogs can break the story as it
> happens [1]. I had originally planned to take care of this, but I've
> realized that I probably don't have the time to get it done quickly.
> This leaves us with a choice: either we delay the site launch further
> (sigh), someone else steps up to do the press coverage, or we launch
> without it. What do people think?
>

I'd like to get at least one video up. There is
http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/gnome3_video2_beta.webm and
http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/gnome3_video2_beta.ogv but it needs to be
re-spun for the latest look and feel. I could do that this evening (baring
solving some Rawhide problems).



> We also need to make some kind of decision about the tag line before the
> site goes live. One option here is to remove 'made of easy' until a
> replacement is decided upon.
>

 Sounds like there's no real opposition to Stormy's "Made to Inspire" so
let's do that.
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Re: Made of Easy -> Made of Inspiration

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 04:10, Allan Day  wrote:

> Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> > +1
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Stormy Peters 
> > wrote:
> > Made to Inspire?
>
> I really like this as a tag line. Can I just check though: can we give
> an account of why it will inspire? We should be able to give a decent
> answer if we're asked, and we should probably explain our tag line in
> our press materials.
>
> Is it inspiring because it's beautiful? Elegant? Simple?
>

I brought this up in one of our side conversations at the Marketing Hackfest
in Oct. 2009 but, basically, we're trying to make computers "not suck." I
was reminded of this this last week when I saw the famous computer interface
designer Matias Duarte say the same thing in an interview on Engadget (WRT
to WebOS and Android 3.0.)

While I'm a fan of sardonic marketing, I don't think we can use "not
suck"-itude as a marketing tag line. ;-)

So there's a couple of more, eh, optimistic ways of looking how it might
inspire. It's elegant and beautiful, sure. It's also well-researched and
thoughtfully designed. It has a strong user interface design narrative from
core group of respected designers. (jimmac, mccan) It's architected for the
present and the future. (Shell team has been carefully thinking about what
GPU features not to use to keep that magic "5 year" window in line but also
planning the UI with touch compatibility even though the hardware and
software stack for touch on Linux isn't really ideal yet.) It has a strong,
articulated roadmap, or vision. (I had hoped that Owen would post the "where
are we going" blog posts by now but I understand that he has many demands
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Re: Made of Easy -> Made of Inspiration

[Jason D. Clinton]

Yes, I was thinking both about the end user creation angle and the design
inspiration behind the Shell UI and trying to pull those narratives
together. Again, thinking about our current users as the target audience for
the 3.0 launch.

Allan, on IRC, proposed a different launch theme for 3.2 and I agree with
that proposal. By 3.2, I feel that we'll be ready to focus on developers, as
well as end users, again. I'll let Allan cover that when we get to the 3.2
discussion, down the road.

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 09:51, Stormy Peters  wrote:

> People use their computer to do things.
>
> We are making GNOME so that it does not interfere with what you are doing.
> What you need is at your finger tips. You are notified, but not interrupted,
> by messages. You can switch tasks easily.
>
> It's made to inspire you - at the work you are trying to create. To assist
> you in your main creative efforts.
>
> Stormy
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Olav Vitters  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:50:10AM -0700, Stormy Peters wrote:
>> > Made to Inspire?
>>
>> Playing devil's advocate:
>> What is the benefit of an OS if it inspires? Inspires me? Inspires other
>> OS makers?
>>
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Re: Made of Easy -> Made of Inspiration

[Jason D. Clinton]

+1

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:50, Stormy Peters  wrote:

> Made to Inspire?
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Jason D. Clinton 
> wrote:
>
>> So, as we ramp up our marketing earlier than anticipated (good!) the
>> launch theme that we selected in November 2009 has been bothering me.
>> Mostly, I think, because what was a common meme at the time ("made of fail",
>> "made of awesome") isn't so common now. And so the play on the meme doesn't
>> seem very clever any more.
>>
>> Also, as I am reviewing the list of videos to produce, I am increasingly
>> of the feeling that they need to inspire people by explaining the inspired
>> design behind the new UI.
>>
>> What about "Made of Inspriation?"
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> As it stands now, we haven't done anything with the official launch theme
>> so changing it is a zero-cost proposition...
>>
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Made of Easy -> Made of Inspiration

[Jason D. Clinton]

So, as we ramp up our marketing earlier than anticipated (good!) the launch
theme that we selected in November 2009 has been bothering me. Mostly, I
think, because what was a common meme at the time ("made of fail", "made of
awesome") isn't so common now. And so the play on the meme doesn't seem very
clever any more.

Also, as I am reviewing the list of videos to produce, I am increasingly of
the feeling that they need to inspire people by explaining the inspired
design behind the new UI.

What about "Made of Inspriation?"

Thoughts?

As it stands now, we haven't done anything with the official launch theme so
changing it is a zero-cost proposition...
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Re: getting www.gnome3.org

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 15:45, Jason D. Clinton  wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 15:21, Dave Neary  wrote:
>
>>  Jason D. Clinton wrote:
>> > Well if Ubuntu has put GNOME 3 out of scope for 11.04, that's not really
>> > something that the GNOME community can overcome with a trivial amount of
>> > effort.
>>
>> I've been hearing that Unity doesn't represent a fork, that the GNOME
>> session will be exactly the same, just with a different window manager
>> and shell. How hard is it to change the window manager & shell?
>>
>
> In both, the WM and Shell are one and the same. And you can indeed switch
> them out with very little effort. However, I am under the impression that a
> number of dependencies will be of a de-emphasized status when 11.04 is
> released and thus a number of the things which we need to get a good GNOME
> Shell experience this early in the 11.04 release cycle just aren't there
> yet. Certainly once 11.04 is release or maybe even in beta, more of the
> dependencies will have been updated to the minimums and then making packages
> for 11.04 becomes much more feasible.
>
> Though less important, there's also the question of how to handle the
> notifications fork. I think that a number of packages in Ubuntu have source
> code modifications which present incompatibilities. I vaguely recall a
> discussion about leaving both code paths in Ubuntu's packages but I don't
> know where that's at.
>

Andreas pointed me here:
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-gnome3so
we'll likely just have to say "install gnome-shell from universe" once
11.04 reaches beta status.

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Re: getting www.gnome3.org

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 15:21, Dave Neary  wrote:

> Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> > Well if Ubuntu has put GNOME 3 out of scope for 11.04, that's not really
> > something that the GNOME community can overcome with a trivial amount of
> > effort.
>
> I've been hearing that Unity doesn't represent a fork, that the GNOME
> session will be exactly the same, just with a different window manager
> and shell. How hard is it to change the window manager & shell?
>

In both, the WM and Shell are one and the same. And you can indeed switch
them out with very little effort. However, I am under the impression that a
number of dependencies will be of a de-emphasized status when 11.04 is
released and thus a number of the things which we need to get a good GNOME
Shell experience this early in the 11.04 release cycle just aren't there
yet. Certainly once 11.04 is release or maybe even in beta, more of the
dependencies will have been updated to the minimums and then making packages
for 11.04 becomes much more feasible.

Though less important, there's also the question of how to handle the
notifications fork. I think that a number of packages in Ubuntu have source
code modifications which present incompatibilities. I vaguely recall a
discussion about leaving both code paths in Ubuntu's packages but I don't
know where that's at.
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Re: getting www.gnome3.org

[Jason D. Clinton]

Well if Ubuntu has put GNOME 3 out of scope for 11.04, that's not really
something that the GNOME community can overcome with a trivial amount of
effort. The message to our users on Ubuntu is basically nothing since they
can't get it and won't feel any of the repercussions of transition until at
least 11.10. The entire motivation behind the "current users" target was to
help people understand and be inspired about the UI change; thus, if they
aren't changing UI now, they aren't the target audience. If they're inspired
by GNOME 3 design goals, Fedora Rawhide and OpenSuSE packages are mostly
working today and will be even more so as both of those enter their beta
periods.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 05:23, Dave Neary  wrote:

> Thanks for the tip!
>
> I was hoping to use it, not just try it, though...
>
> Cheers,
> Dave.
>
> Paul Cutler wrote:
> > See Frederic's email to d-d-l he just posted - he has working live
> > image off USB.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Dave Neary  wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Dave Neary wrote:
> >>> I used [1] on Ubuntu 10.10 and it seems to work fine.
> >>>
>  [1] 
>  https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing
>  [2] 
>  https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3/+packages
> >>> I'm currently upgrading to 11.04 to get the latest greatest.
> >> 
> >>
> >>> So I will be removing ricotz and switching o the gnome3 team when I'm
> done.
> >> So what is delivered by the gnome3 team PPA is mostly unusable right now
> >> - I'm still waiting for good 2.91.4 builds to come through from Debian -
> >>  and the ricotz PPA is a weird no-mans-land, with just the shell, and
> >> with Unity & Compiz using global Mac-style menus, when you switch to
> >> gnome-shell you don't have any menus any more.
> >>
> >> I'd really like to figure out how to get a proper GNOME 3 experience
> >> without switching distros, but if I have to, I will (but then, we'll be
> >> sending a hell of a message to the users of the most popular Linux
> >> distro out there).
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Dave.
> >>
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Re: about gnome3 dev marketing

[Jason D. Clinton]

Would like to but the Marketing Team has limited resources and we decided to
focus all of our effort on current users of the GNOME 2.x desktop for this
release cycle. If you are volunteering to do this, please feel free to jump
in!

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 15:57, Juanjo Marin  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I think is a good idea to improve the GNOME marketing for developers.
> Obviously, what developers really appreciate is documentation, and the
> documentation team is working hard on this area. I think is especially
> interesting the set of 10-minute-tutorials they are working on [1].
>
> However, I think that form the marketing point of view, the situation
> can be improved a lot.
>
> This presentation from Alberto Ruiz in 2008' GUADEC has very good valid
> points about GTK+ marketing [2], which is the best/only known GNOME
> technology for outsiders. I think this is very important because GTK+ is
> receiving bad comments from people. Our collegues are working hard
> turning GTK+3 into a very good piece of software and we must push it.
>
> I think we must also to improve awareness of other GNOME technologies,
> but because we must start from something, I think that GTK+ is the most
> straigh-forward way. The key point from the marketing point of view is
> unify the brand and websites of certified GTK+ bindings.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>   -- Juanjo Marin
>
>
>  [1] http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-devel-docs/tree/demos/C
>  [2]
>
> http://live.gnome.org/GUADEC/2008/Slides?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=marketing_gtk_Guadec2008.pdf
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Re: Gnome or GNOME?

[Jason D. Clinton]

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2010-April/msg00052.html

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 15:46, Sriram Ramkrishna  wrote:

> OK, I'm a bit confused here.  For some reason I thought we had decided to
> go from GNOME to Gnome as GNOME is no longer considered an abbreviation.  Is
> this true?  It just seems that we seem to be using the two interchangeably.
> For my part, I'm using Gnome.
>
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Re: Short slide decks for use in GNOME community presentations

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On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 06:19, Vikram Vaswani <
vikram.vasw...@initmarketing.com> wrote:

> - GNOME 3 Applications
> ...

- GNOME for Users
>

These are the only two which concern me; the others look great.
Particularly, the jhbuild modulesets now define featured applications which
comply with our GNOME Goals. I'm not sure how we will manage the attention
to these applications from a marketing perspective. There was a discussion
about this at the Boston Summit 2010 but ultimately it's up to the release
team. The Users deck should probably have a slide about the user experience
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Re: getting www.gnome3.org

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Since it was supposed to be almost entirely video thumbnails on the front
page, the videos need to go up there. And since we don't have a UI freeze
for a few more months, it wasn't in the plan to have it up until then.

But I think there is a value in making this a kind of process-marketing. I
think we could launch the site with a "Beta" decal and post the unfinished
videos with the time codes in them so that no one gets any ideas about
posting them as the final marketing assets.

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 14:11, Stormy Peters  wrote:

> We do have gnome3.org and we worked on it at the last marketing hackfest.
> At that time, it was really close to launching ...
>
> Paul, Andreas, what is left? What can we help with?
>
> Stormy
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
>
>> Any chance we could get the DNS entry www.gnome3.org (and I think gnome4
>> and gnome5 etc) so that we can use it to centralize messaging to a
>> particular URL?  I think as we get close we want to be able to point people
>> to a site that is simple to remember and specific to gnome 3.
>>
>> What do you guys think?
>>
>> sri
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Re: GNOME User Survey

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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 22:35, Pockey Lam  wrote:

>  We would need your feedbacks on the drafted questions as well, you can
> find all the information of this survey at
> http://live.gnome.org/UserSurvey2011
> Please feel free to discuss here or edit the wiki page directly. Thanks in
> advance!
>

Having run a few surveys in the past, my experience has been that people are
less likely to answer open-ended essay questions. I would recommend
replacing these with multiple choise, if at all possible.
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Re: GNOME 3.0 Hackfest + 1 day conference for the launch(in Asia)

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On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 07:09, Frederic Muller  wrote:

> I'd like to echo the call we made to the release team here
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2010-December/msg00031.html
>
> and get a consensus on which date works better around GNOME 3.0 release
> (April 06) for each team to have a hackfest. We've been discussing the plan
> since September with various members of each team (to get the 3 teams
> together in a hackfest before a 1 day conference to celebrate GNOME 3.0
> launch with the public in Asia) though emails and at the Boston Summit.
>

I think that only the first time frame makes sense from the marketing
perspective. I see little reason to conference about marketing after the
release date. But we don't *have* to have a marketing hackfest. If other
dates work better for other teams, feel free to opt for those.
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Re: Learning from the best

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On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 09:21, Dave Neary  wrote:

> I really like the longer articles, and it's the kind of thing I'd like
> to see more in the GNOME Journal - and I'd even volunteer to write one
> or two, and encourage others to do the same - but I don't want to spend
> time arguing about whether it's useful or not.
>

I read your original email as a request for someone else to do it to which I
was emphatically saying "my plate is full with doing it this other way". If
you are volunteering, we can use all the help we can get and welcome the
contribution!
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Re: Learning from the best

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On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 03:58, Dave Neary  wrote:

> We need to be learning from pro PR people like the Linux Foundation. I
> found this article really compelling:
>
> http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/185-jennifer-cloer/386530-the-people-who-support-linux-late-it-bloomer-falls-hard-for-the-os
>
> It checks all the boxes - a human, personal story, praising the benefits
> of the Linux development model, showing that the Linux Foundation is
> supporting people like Matt, mentions all the LF services (LDN, website,
> foundation membership). We should do this with FoG subscribers!
>

But it fails in the attention span category. We can't do marketing as though
we're writing placement-paid Reader's Digest articles. This is the age of
140 character "essays" (saw that one this morning from El Goog) and play-em
off kitty viral videos.
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Re: I love GNOME videos

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On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 07:47, Stormy Peters  wrote:

> At the Boston Summit we discussed recording "I love GNOME" segments,
> perhaps in people's native languages.
>
> The Mozilla video at the bottom of this page has something similar:
> http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/annualreport/2009/a-competitive-world.htm


Wow, that's really well done. It appears that they solicited contributions
and then achieved the same look and feel through color balance and pan and
zoom.

Anyone know how this was solicited?
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Re: FoG changes

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On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 15:29, Jason D. Clinton  wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 19:51, Og Maciel  wrote:
>
>> You can view these changes by going to http://www.gnome.org/friends
>> and the social media option by going to
>> http://www.gnome.org/friends/thank-you.php
>>
>
> The video embed needs to go on the first page somewhere. Let me see if I
> can get the source for xiph.org/video from Monte.
>

Monty said on IRC that he would be happy to make all the code used at the
above URL public domain. If needed, I will email him to get something a
little more concrete in writing. At this point, it should be good to borrow
the HTML, CSS and JavaScript, though. Cortado will also need to be uploaded
for IE and older FOSS browser support.

Next on the list would be to ask sysadmins which GNOME server would be best
to host bandwidth intensive content like this.
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Re: FoG changes

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On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 19:51, Og Maciel  wrote:

> You can view these changes by going to http://www.gnome.org/friends
> and the social media option by going to
> http://www.gnome.org/friends/thank-you.php
>

Looks good but I would remove the "like breast cancer scanners" unless we
are going to start linking to specific products.

The video embed needs to go on the first page somewhere. Let me see if I can
get the source for xiph.org/video from Monte.

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Marketing hackfest next year

[Jason D. Clinton]

Marketing team;

We need to have another marketing hackfest in preparation for the GNOME 3.0
launch. This will be entirely work-oriented. The date ranges available for
this are the two weeks immediately following the UI freeze: February 26th -
March 13th.

Please reply to this email with your availability: where can you travel and
what dates are you available?
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Friends of GNOME session notes

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Friends of GNOME

Stormy opened the session by giving an overview of the target: users who
feel that they would like to contribute but don't know how because they
aren't technical.

Objectives:

   - 400 new subscribers
   - Use a progress bar on the web site similar to the sysadmin campaign
   - Any dollar value
   - New t-shirt
   - Videos of developers talking about how funding helps hackfests
   - Track referrals from people
   - Track referrals from online advertising


Someone asked if there were any demographics about donors from the past
year. Stormy replied that the data is there--based on country--but someone
would need to compile the data.

There was a discussion about getting academic communications departments
involved in this and other marketing departments. Everyone loved this idea
but it was decided that we're too close to the end of the year (the target
for this campaign) to specifically try to involve an academic project.

The floor was opened to a discussion of rewards for contribution in addition
to a T-Shirt: foam GNOME foot trinkets, stickers, a membership card.

We discussed implementing referral tracking by integrating our PayPal data
with our CiviCRM installation. The action items out of this discussion were


   - Text for ruler (Paul)
   - Clean up Friends of GNOME landing page (Og)
   - Fix subscriptions
  - One time
  - Ask for location
  - Annual subscription (Og)
   - Merchandise
   - New t-shirt (Joey)
  - Community assistance for distribution (Vincent)
  - Collectible doodad with year on it, 300 qty (Joey) (maybe Andreas?)
  - Membership cards with member number (Og)
  - Map mash-up of contributors
   - Getting the word out
   - Design 2 ads (Joey)
  - Social networking (Og)
  - Radio jingle (Joey)
  - Google
  - LWN (Stormy)
  - Email current subscribers (Paul)
   - Videos of developers talking about hack-fest funding via Friends of
   GNOME (Jason/Joey)


Dates:

   - Launch new Friends of GNOME site - Nov. 16th
   - Annual item per year (doodad) - Nov. 18th
   - Map mash-up - Nov. 21st
   - Launch promotional avenues - Nov 22nd
   - Membership cards - Nov 22nd
   - T-Shirts - Dec. 31st
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Re: screen shot?

[Jason D. Clinton]

I can get you one with all branding removed. Debian makes this pretty easy.
Vincent mentioned that OpenSUSE does as well.  What apps would you like
shots of? How many shots? Widescreen 16:10 okay?

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Paul Cutler  wrote:

> I don't think so.  Doc screenshots are discouraged (due to maintaining)
> and typically are per-app.
>
> The only ones that pop into my mind are release notes (like
> http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.28/) but don't have a ton
> of apps either.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Mon, 2010-05-24 at 13:37 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote:
> > Do we have some good screenshots from the documentation that we could
> > use?
> >
> >
> > Stormy
> >
> > On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Paul Cutler 
> > wrote:
> > For GNOME documentation, we prefer a distro who doesn't
> > replace the
> > GNOME foot in the main menu and prefer Clearlooks as the
> > default theme.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On Mon, 2010-05-24 at 13:27 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Zonker,
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd like a nice clean screenshot that highlights GNOME apps.
> > I think
> > > we talked about this in some forum. Maybe at the marketing
> > hackfest?
> > >
> > >
> > > We should put it on the marketing wiki under the
> > presentation
> > > materials page.
> > >
> > >
> > > Any free and open distro is fine with me, preferably from
> > one of our
> > > adboard sponsors.
> > >
> > >
> > > Stormy
> > >
> > >
> > > P.S. I do know how to take a screen shot. :) But I have tons
> > of stuff
> > > on my desktop, a broken icon in the top bar, etc. And really
> > funky
> > > colors at the moment from my last upgrade.
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier
> > >  wrote:
> > > On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Stormy Peters
> > >  wrote:
> > > > Does anybody have a good GNOME screen shot to be
> > used in an
> > > article about
> > > > GNOME?
> > >
> > >
> > > I can come up with some... which distro you
> > want? :-) Any
> > > specifications?
> > >
> > > I can send directly... I doubt the list likes
> > attachments...
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Zonker
> > > --
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> > > About: http://www.dissociatedpress.net/about/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Friends of GNOME food for thought

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On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Stormy Peters  wrote:
>
> * It shows how many people have signed up for the different levels - I
> think this is important information for convincing more people to donate. We
> have good numbers.
>
> What do you guys think about incorporating that last point some how into
> Friends of GNOME?


I like the idea and Paul said something similar to me over the hackfest
about number-of-subscriber oriented fund-raising that has apparently worked
really well for Minnesota Public Radio. Maybe he could elaborate.
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Re: Mobile Funding - Update

[Jason D. Clinton]

I took a look at the plan sounds reasonable to me. I don't know about the
radio aspect; that might be too much to bite off at once. Other than that,
I'm just looking forward to finding out how effective it is at the end of
the trial period.

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Bharat Kapoor <3.kap...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear All
>
> A gentle reminder - please comment on the Project Plan or provide your
> approval for me to move ahead.
>
> Once I have a go decision - I will work on conferences between end of May
> till the next 3 months and coordinate the mobile process.
>
> Regards
> Bharat
>
>
> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Bharat Kapoor <3.kap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear All
>>
>> I have updated the Project plan for the Pilot, which I feel comfortable
>> that we can achieve in the next 3 months. If successful will make a it a
>> permanent feature and also investigate Europe and other high open source
>> concentrations areas next?
>>
>> Please take a look at the Project Plan section towards the end @:
>> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeFundRaising
>>
>> Feedback requested:
>>
>>1. Is this good enough to go? or do we need more planning or need to
>>explore additional channels?
>>2. Have we picked the right conferences - is there any conference that
>>we missed between May end through Aug end?
>>3. Should we list ourselves on: Qnation & Wecaretoo?
>>4. Do we have a booth the the conferences listed, if not does anyone
>>have a contact at these conferences, if not I shall contact them.
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Bharat
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Marketing Hackfest video supplies needed

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Jason D. Clinton wrote:

> I'm going to go ahead and bring my green screen so don't worry about it. I
> am about to catch my plane to Madrid.
>

On second thought, I just tried to pack it and it's so large and unwieldy
that I've decided to leave it at home. Please me know how much renting one
might cost. All we need would be a single day. I'd gladly go out-of-pocket
for a rental versus paying the extra bag-check fees that the airlines would
charge me to bring this along.
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Re: Marketing Hackfest video supplies needed

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Daniel Baeyens wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Daniel Baeyens
>  wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Jason D. Clinton 
> wrote:
> >> I want to go through a trial production of one "GNOME 3 in 30 Seconds"
> video
> >> during the hackfest
> >> <http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/Gnome3In30Seconds>. This seems
> like an
> >> attainable goal. The outcome could be something we end up using or we
> could
> >> merely learn from the experience and plan for filming at a later date.
> >> I am bringing a small, compact digital camera that can record 1080i
> video
> >> and an advanced stereo mic. Both could be affixed to tripods but for
> obvious
> >> logistical reasons, I don't want to try to bring those across the
> Atlantic.
> >> At the bare minimum, we need a tripod and boom pole or two tripods (one
> >> would be held like a boom).
> >
> > I can lend a tripod for this. I live quite near the place where the
> > hackfest will take place, so that's easy :)
> > It's not a professional one, an it has "some" years ;-) but probably
> > it's better than nothing
>

Excellent! Thank you!


> >> It would also be nice to have a well-lit, stage-like environment in
> which to
> >> film. It would also be nice to have a green screen (but I have one that
> I
> >> could bring if we can't find one locally).
> >> If anyone local knows whether you have these things or know of how we
> might
> >> arrange them, please let the list know.
> >
> > About the boom pole, and the green screen, I do not own any, but there
> > is a public office which lends A/V stuff for associations. Maybe they
> > have one, and I could ask in behalf of GNOME Hispano.
> >
> > If not, I know there is a company not quite far (1 or 2 miles) from
> > the hackfest which rents a professional studio. I know that probably
> > you want to minimize the costs, but anyway I can ask about some
> > prices. They also "rent" technical people for lighting and all the
> > rest
> >
> > Waiting for comments... but I will do some calls meanwhile
>
> This is just a partial report.
>
> I have called to the local public office which lends A/V supplies, and
> they have told me that this was too much for them, they have less
> resources (I had to ask, anyway :P).
>
> Also, I have called to the professional stage and they told me that
> they will send me a small quote. Nothing too accurate, just for a
> quick estimation of expenses.
>
> Then, I remembered that the City Council owns a good place where they
> can record audio albums but also video documentaries (mainly). I've
> called them and they could lend us the boom pole, but not the mic
> (anyway, as far as I've understood you, you will take it).


Yes, I have a Sony D50 which I am bringing which has a traditional tripod
mount so that should work excellently.


> They didn't
> have a green screen available, but gave me a phone number of a small
> company who owns one. Also, there is another place in the city where I
> will ask
>
> But, if possible (as mostly all the people is asking), could you tell
> me the required size of the green screen? Looking at the wiki, I
> estimate like 2x2 meter or something like that. Is it right? Do you
> think that it would be ok if it's smaller?
>

Honestly, I'm not entirely sure since this is not something that I have
tried before. My impression is that the larger, the better but 2x2M should
be sufficient. The reason a larger screen is better is that one wants to try
to avoid casting any shadows on the screen when standing in front of it.
That generally means standing quite a bit in front of it. I'm going to go
ahead and bring my green screen so don't worry about it. I am about to catch
my plane to Madrid.

Please do keep us posted on a stage/lighting situation, though!

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Re: Marketing Hackfest video supplies needed

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Juanjo Marin wrote:

> I could forward your petition to the Spanish GNOME list and to any other
> local contacts you have. I haven't done because I don't know if someone
> is working for a solution.
>

Yes, please forward. Thanks!
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Marketing Hackfest video supplies needed

[Jason D. Clinton]

Attendees;

I want to go through a trial production of one "GNOME 3 in 30 Seconds" video
during the hackfest .
This seems like an attainable goal. The outcome could be something we end up
using or we could merely learn from the experience and plan for filming at a
later date.

I am bringing a small, compact digital camera that can record 1080i video
and an advanced stereo mic. Both could be affixed to tripods but for obvious
logistical reasons, I don't want to try to bring those across the Atlantic.

At the bare minimum, we need a tripod and boom pole or two tripods (one
would be held like a boom).

It would also be nice to have a well-lit, stage-like environment in which to
film. It would also be nice to have a green screen (but I have one that I
could bring if we can't find one locally).

If anyone local knows whether you have these things or know of how we might
arrange them, please let the list know.

Thank you!
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Re: Marketing Hackfest Kickoff - GNOME 3.0 Website Feedback Requested

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Paul Cutler  wrote:

> We're just a couple of weeks away from the Marketing Hackfest.  One of
> the ideas that's come up is to have a GNOME 3.0 specific website (or
> subsite).  I don't know if this means it will use the new Plone CMS
> that's currently being set up or something else, but for the moment
> that's not important.
>
> I'd like to gather community feedback (that's you!) on what you'd like
> to see a GNOME 3.0 website feature.
>
> Please reply to the list - everyone's feedback is welcome!
>

Bouncing off the November hackfest: we should point to interactions between
maintainers and anyone else on social networks where possible. Facebook
doesn't really allow that (I think?) but we could do that with the microblog
and blogging sites. Or maybe we just aggregate a whole bunch of social media
sources like a microblog version of Planet GNOME?
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Re: membership pointers

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Stormy Peters  wrote:

> As we think about how to increase our subscriber numbers, this article
> had some interesting points about membership.
>
> Eight Strategic Mistakes with Memberships
> http://www.blueavocado.org/node/508
>
> In particular, I don't think we give donors a good idea of how their
> donations change the world through GNOME.
>

People seem to love hearing about hackfests and I think what we could do--as
the marketing team--is, after or during a hackfest event, post a blog post
in cooperation with the Travel Committee about how much money was spent on
the hackfest to make it happen with a link right there to become a
subscriber. I really liked Brian Cameron's summary post of all the people
who blogged about the UX Hackfest. If we could copy that style and put at
the very top: "This is what it your money did, become a subscriber today!"
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Re: GNOME -> Gnome

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Sven Herzberg  wrote:

> Am Freitag, den 02.04.2010, 12:19 -0600 schrieb Jason D. Clinton:
> > If we're going to do this, 3.0 seems like the perfect opportunity. I
> > think that we should decide how we feel as the Marketing Team leading
> > up to the Zaragoza, Spain hackfest and try and come to a final
> > decision by then.
>
> I don't think that these kinds of decisions belong into a group
> as small as the list of attendees of a hackfest.
>

You're right that it doesn't belong to a group that small; that is why I
brought it up on the marketing-list where it belongs. But obviously there
isn't any unanimity about it and we have enough on our respective plates
already so I withdrawal the proposal.
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GNOME -> Gnome

[Jason D. Clinton]

At the November hackfest, we briefly discussed and were all enthusiastically
in support of changing the case of GNOME branding from GNOME to Gnome. I
have floated this idea with others over the past few months and haven't
gotten any negative feedback. What about others? Have you discussed this
with others and what were their feelings?

Just to be clear, no other part of our branding would be changed under this
proposal.

If we're going to do this, 3.0 seems like the perfect opportunity. I think
that we should decide how we feel as the Marketing Team leading up to the
Zaragoza, Spain hackfest and try and come to a final decision by then.
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Story-boarding Video 1: Less interruptions

[Jason D. Clinton]

As we discussed at the November hackfest, these videos are inspired by the
seven videos at . The current plan
is to copy that style with one deviation: the final marque will have a large
blank space in which distros can place their branding. Underneath the blank
space will be "with GNOME 3" in a smaller font. In this way, the distros get
marketing videos and introductory videos that ship with their first GNOME 3
release and we increase the probability of people seeing these videos.

I have created a page on the GNOME Wiki with the first story board idea [1].
Please let us know what you think and please suggest other topics in the
section provided.

http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/Gnome3In30Seconds
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Re: GNOME Wish List

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Stormy Peters  wrote:

> I have created a GNOME Wish List[1]. Let me know what you think before I
> advertise it to a wider audience.
>
> A bit of background. The GNOME Board of Directors was getting a lot of
> requests for things like hardware and I was then passing those requests on
> to our advisory board sponsors one by one. We decided it would be nice to
> have a page where we could track the things that we need or that we've asked
> for.
>
> I started it out with a mixed list of things ...
>

I think that this is a fantastic start but I would add that we are always
looking for companies/organizations to host hackfests.
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Re: Summary of responses to round one questions about 3.0

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:17 AM, William Jon McCann <
william.jon.mcc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyway, reasonable folks, let's all work together to market GNOME 3,
> shall we?  Perhaps with a little more tact.
>

Are you saying that you are joining the Marketing Team and that we can rely
on your participation through the 3.0 release?
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Summary of responses to round one questions about 3.0

[Jason D. Clinton]

Below, I give a quick qualitative analysis of the responses in as objective
as form as I can and the follow it up with some anecdotes and my opinions.
Just stop reading after the data if you want to respond without having your
opinion colored.

Summary:

Out of 9 attendees who blogged on the UX Hackfest and were emailed, 5
responded. The email sent was the following:

I am writing you this email on behalf of the GNOME Marketing Committee and
because you were a UX Hackfest attendee.

The GNOME Marketing Committee is deeply concerned about the coherence of our
message to the public about what the 3.0 release will be. Up until the UX
Hackfest, that message was coherent: GNOME Shell with deep integration with
presence management and time-based file management. Now, the Committee does
not know what to tell the public. The Committee has empowered me to gather
opinions about what attendees believe will be in 3.0.

Please answer the following four questions by one week from the time of this
writing. Feel free to make your answer as short as you please: a one
sentence answer is sufficient. Please know that I will make every attempt to
keep your answer in confidence; however, I will provide a summary of the
opinions of all attendees to the Committee.

In a follow-up round of emails, the Committee or its designee will include
coders as well as the wider usability community in its inquiry. Those
questions will be based on what we hear in this round of questions.

The questions for this first round:
• What new user-visible experiences will be in the GNOME 3.0 release?
• Who needs to work on it? Are there coders working on these features and do
they agree with your time estimate?
• What is your long-term vision for the user experience beyond the 3.0
release?
• Please name individuals whom you believe should be included in the
above-referenced second-round of emails.

Of those 5 who responded to question 1, "What new user-visible experiences
will be in the Gnome 3.0 release?" 4/5 mentioned Shell as a positive change
which would "certainly" or "would" be in the 3.0 release as "the" or "the
biggest" major visible feature. 3/5 said that Gnome 3.0 would feature Gnome
Activity Journal but used language like "uncertain" or "unclear" to describe
the situation. 2/5 mentioned that a new Control Center was likely. 2/5 said
that a new theme or icon theme set was likely to be in 3.0. 1/5 expressed a
desire to see Nautilus changes but didn't know of anyone working on it.

Of those 2 who responded to questions 2, "Who needs to work on it? Are there
coders working on these features and do they agree with your time estimate?"
the first expressed concern about the Gnome Activity Journal and a11y
reaching completion, the coverage of documentation at the 3.0 release due to
the short freeze, the open status of dconf and its impact on the UI of all
apps, and the constant shift in UI design of Shell git master. The other
responded worried about not seeing "enough" repeatable usability evaluation
of the new UI and that there generally not "enough" people working on Shell
and Activity Journal.

Of those 5 who responded to question 3, "What is your long-term vision for
the user experience beyond the 3.0 release?", 4/5 agreed that 3.0 was just
the beginning of the realization of several long-term trends which would be
fulfilled during the life of 3.x; the hold-out emphasized internal
consistency in theming and color as developing over the life of 3.x. 2/5 saw
3.x as rounding out a "beta-ish" 3.0 release. 2/5 saw an change in
fundamental file management methods over the life span. 2/5 saw an increase
in the general portability of users and their data. 2/5 saw a general
long-term approach to increase application usability and consistency. 1/5
saw more applications moving to Clutter. 1/5 saw People becoming
"first-class objects".

Of the 2 who answer question 4, "Please name individuals whom you believe
should be included in the above-referenced second-round of emails," the
following names were offered: Owen Taylor, Colin Walters, Alex Larsson, Seif
Lotfy, Thorsten Prante, Xavier Claessens, Guillaume Desmottes, Matthew
Barnes, Chenthill Palanisamy, and Shaun McCance.

Caveats:

Seth, who we had discussed on our conference call in the context of the
Pooper and the public image of Gnome 3.0, was one of the respondents. Other
than confirming that he saw "Shell as 3.0" and not mentioning *any* of the
ideas in his blog posts, his response was incomprehensible,
post-modern evasion. I only bring this up because I think that it's safe to
say at this point that none of Seth's ideas have any other champions.

No one from Shell replied. I begged them to in the middle of the week but it
hasn't happened. I asked again today and Owen said that they weren't
planning on answering our four questions anyway but that he would follow up
to this list with a separate post. Jon McCann expressed resentment that we
even asked anyone these questions. I have logs of the entir

Re: Friends of GNOME and the new website

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
>
> http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/friends-20.png
>
> 1. Initial page setup
> 2. Hovering a option grays out the others and show what you'll get in
> return
> 3. Clicking a option brings up the additional details you need to fill out.
> Clicking the donation button brings you directly to the paypal page.
>

I do like the overall design.
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Conference call bridge for tomorrow's meeting

[Jason D. Clinton]

Novell has offered their international conference bridge for the meeting
tomorrow. Please tell us now if you do not have an access number for your
country. In the case that someone cannot join the conference bridge, we will
continue to have the meeting on #marketing.

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On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 11:23 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> Sure, that sounds great. Guy, can you provide us with information
> about how to use this? I think we'll have someone from at least 4
> different continents so hopefully there are semi-local numbers for
> each of them.
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Stormy Peters 
> wrote:
> Jason,
>
> Do you want

Re: Rescheduled: Emergency marketing team meeting

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote:

> In order to better get the participation of our European members, new times
> have been proposed next week instead of this week. The previous Doodle is
> cancelled.
>
> Please fill out your available times in the Doodle link, below:
> http://www.doodle.com/mqa2zx7dmxdavx9b
>
> Meeting will be on #marketing. Agenda is the same as in the
> previous announcement.
>

A few people haven't replied but baring any radical changes, the meeting
will be Tuesday, March 16, 2010 at 13:00:00 UTC.
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Re: Organizing the Marketing Team

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Paul Cutler  wrote:
>
> * GNOME 3.0 video creation /promotion
> * Fundraising (Friends of GNOME, GNOME Store, Mobile giving) (Jaap has
> done a great job helping Stormy with the Friends of GNOME program from
> helping analyze the data to updating the site)
> * GNOME Materials (Conference presentations, brochures, etc)
>

I'm already down for having volunteered for the three above, so count me in
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Rescheduled: Emergency marketing team meeting

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In order to better get the participation of our European members, new times
have been proposed next week instead of this week. The previous Doodle is
cancelled.

Please fill out your available times in the Doodle link, below:
http://www.doodle.com/mqa2zx7dmxdavx9b

Meeting will be on #marketing. Agenda is the same as in the
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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

[Jason D. Clinton]

Never-mind, Dave and Shane, I shouldn't ask you ask us for that. Forgive me,
the Vicodin is impairing my better judgement. I'll send another Doodle for
the meeting which will now be next week.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote:

> No, I'm sorry but I cannot get up any earlier. I had surgery Friday and my
> sleep schedule is attuned to my specific pain killer dosage frequency and
> wound redressing requirements. I have to go home from work during my lunch
> break and redress. So, the sleep/work portion of my life is fixed in place
> this week.
>
> Dave and Shawn, if you feel that it is important enough that we wait so
> that everyone can make it, I would be willing to move the meeting back to
> next week when I can be more flexible and propose morning times.
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Stormy Peters  wrote:
>
>> Hi Jason,
>>
>> I know you said you put in all possible times but they are essentially the
>> same times every day. Maybe you could also try very early morning or night
>> to try to accommodate more people?
>>
>> Stormy
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2010 9:12 AM, "Dave Neary"  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> Shane Fagan wrote:
>> > So its looking like 2-4 am my time which is European timeThat is a
>> > tad p...
>>
>> Similarly none of the proposed times are possible for me.
>>
>> Enjoy the meeting!
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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

[Jason D. Clinton]

Erm, sorry, I meant Shane instead of Shawn.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote:

> No, I'm sorry but I cannot get up any earlier. I had surgery Friday and my
> sleep schedule is attuned to my specific pain killer dosage frequency and
> wound redressing requirements. I have to go home from work during my lunch
> break and redress. So, the sleep/work portion of my life is fixed in place
> this week.
>
> Dave and Shawn, if you feel that it is important enough that we wait so
> that everyone can make it, I would be willing to move the meeting back to
> next week when I can be more flexible and propose morning times.
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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

[Jason D. Clinton]

No, I'm sorry but I cannot get up any earlier. I had surgery Friday and my
sleep schedule is attuned to my specific pain killer dosage frequency and
wound redressing requirements. I have to go home from work during my lunch
break and redress. So, the sleep/work portion of my life is fixed in place
this week.

Dave and Shawn, if you feel that it is important enough that we wait so that
everyone can make it, I would be willing to move the meeting back to next
week when I can be more flexible and propose morning times.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Stormy Peters  wrote:

> Hi Jason,
>
> I know you said you put in all possible times but they are essentially the
> same times every day. Maybe you could also try very early morning or night
> to try to accommodate more people?
>
> Stormy
>
> On Mar 9, 2010 9:12 AM, "Dave Neary"  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> Shane Fagan wrote:
> > So its looking like 2-4 am my time which is European timeThat is a
> > tad p...
>
> Similarly none of the proposed times are possible for me.
>
> Enjoy the meeting!
> Dave.
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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

[Jason D. Clinton]

>
> Let's meet to discuss candidly on #marketing. Here is a Doodle link. Please
> select a time:
> http://www.doodle.com/fau28xapd3qwr6ry
>

Please reply to the Doodle by two hours from now. It's looking like
Wednesday (tomorrow) is leading.
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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

[Jason D. Clinton]

I listed all of the times for an entire week which work for me. Literally
all of them. There isn't a spare moment that I have that I did not offer as
an option.

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Shane Fagan
wrote:

> Hi,
> The times you picked are very bad times for Europe except the Saturday
> and Sunday.
>
> Shane
>
> On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 10:58 -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jason D. Clinton
> >  wrote:
> > Let's meet to discuss candidly on #marketing.
> >
> > In order to facilitate the meeting going quickly and with a minimal
> > amount of straying off-topic, I would like to hear on this list in
> > advance if there is anyone whom disagrees with the following premise
> > or whom feels that it needs slight modification:
> >
> >
> > From a marketing perspective we, publicly, cannot promise
> > anything as radically disruptive as proposed by the UX
> > Hackfest brainstorming sessions for delivery *after* Gnome 3.0
> > (whenever that release may be.) Such a strategy would have the
> > following outcomes:
> >  1. It would make our desktop look like 3.0 is half-baked
> >  2. It would make us look like we're experimenting on our
> > user base
> >  3. It would make our desktop environment look unstable
> > On the other hand, should such changes happen
> > organically--that is, not part of a narrative about what Gnome
> > 3 is--then so be it.
> >
> >
> > Please make your feelings known if you disagree in advance of the
> > meeting so that we all start from the same frame of reference.
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Paul Cutler  wrote:
>
> Have you (or anyone else) reached out to the GNOME Shell team to discuss
> a possible roadmap?
>

Yes, I asked Jon McCann, whom was at the UX Hackfest, to join this list and
he said that he was already planning to post a blog post defining what is
possible last Wednesday. That hasn't happened yet.


> I'm also concerned as the GNOME Activity Journal has not been proposed
> as a module yet.


  I too am concerned about this. This is one of the many reasons that it may
be acceptable to think of Gnome 3.0 as Gnome 2.34 or 2.36.
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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jason D. Clinton wrote:

> Let's meet to discuss candidly on #marketing.
>

In order to facilitate the meeting going quickly and with a minimal amount
of straying off-topic, I would like to hear on this list in advance if there
is anyone whom disagrees with the following premise or whom feels that it
needs slight modification:

>From a marketing perspective we, publicly, cannot promise anything as
radically disruptive as proposed by the UX Hackfest brainstorming sessions
for delivery *after* Gnome 3.0 (whenever that release may be.) Such a
strategy would have the following outcomes:


   1. It would make our desktop look like 3.0 is half-baked
   2. It would make us look like we're experimenting on our user base
   3. It would make our desktop environment look unstable

On the other hand, should such changes happen organically--that is, not part
of a narrative about what Gnome 3 is--then so be it.


Please make your feelings known if you disagree in advance of the meeting so
that we all start from the same frame of reference.
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Emergency marketing team meeting

[Jason D. Clinton]

Due to the complete derailment of the thread in which I posted my concerns
about the marketing effort going off the rails due to the radical
redefinition of what Gnome 3 is at the UX Hackfest, I believe that we need
to meet to discuss some strategy by which we can put the marketing train
back on-track and find a definition of what--exactly--Gnome 3 is. Two
options are:

   1. start a thread on d-d-l where Lefty and RMS aren't present and
   explictly ask that only developers participate
   2. run a poll using the polling software from which we would
   get consensus and then articulate what we find back to the larger Gnome
   community (definition by mob)

Let's meet to discuss candidly on #marketing. Here is a Doodle link. Please
select a time:
http://www.doodle.com/fau28xapd3qwr6ry
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Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:09 AM, Dave Neary  wrote:

>  vision for GNOME 2.x did.Back in February, I posted the following - it
> kind of got lost in the ensuing thread; but I think it's worth breaking
> out into a new discussion (marketing list CCed). Like I say, I'm not
> happy with the "vision" part of this (GNOME everywhere, and invisible)
> because it doesn't offer a destination - it doesn't help anyone make
> decisions about what's important - in the way that the "simple, usable,
> beautiful" But perhaps it's the beginning of a vision that we can work on?
>

Hi Dave;

Let me update you on what the marketing team did at the Chicago hackfest in
mid-November[1][2] since we haven't yet made our announcements.

The most difficult thing that we did at the hackfest was to settle on a
short-term vision for Gnome 3 which will, I think, help shape this
discussion about medium-to-long term. Our starting point was this email from
Vincent: <
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2009-April/msg4.html>.
We interpreted that directive to mean that all Gnome marketing efforts
should be directed at the first point: selling users on the revamped user
experience.

This is--perhaps--slightly different from how a corporation marketing
department operates: finding what the market wants and then directing
engineering resources at that. Instead, Gnome 3 is whatever it will be and
it's our job to take that and sell it to our audience. Here is what we
(then) saw Gnome 3 as:

There was wide ranging discussion about what GNOME 3.0 is and how much of a
change it is. We talked with each other about what each of the proposed
technologies will bring to the end user experience: tightly integrated
search, application-oriented window management, dynamic workspace workflows,
temporally oriented document location (Journal), interruption suppression
(message tray), and user interface physicality (via window and Shell chrome
animations). There was also agreement that aside from "3.0" technologies,
there's a number of long-stewing features coming to fruition that can also
be emphasized: Telepathy, for example.

There was an observation that we're achieving a new level of tight
integration throughout the desktop environment. Think of IM notifications
with rapid dismissal in the messaging tray in Shell. Or, think of Empathy
sharing your Desktop with you friend via Telepathy without you needing to
open a firewall port. Another example could be how both the Journal and
Tracker technologies (potentially) tightly integrated with the Shell UI.


The following morning that was boiled down to:

First, we agreed upon the themes--the Shell, the search work, the new levels
of cross-application integration--all substantially advance the release
team's primary point of the 3.0 release: a better user experience.


We went through over a hundred themes before we settled on what Gnome 3's
marketing theme will be: "Made of Easy." (Pause for dramatic effect.)

Up until this past week, I was really happy with that. When I saw Seth's
blog post and the subsequent press coverage, I understood that the Gnome 3
marketing train had just gone off the rails. What, until then, had been a
well-defined expansion of our user experience in Gnome 3.0 had just been
radically re-cast as what can either be seen as a partially implemented,
half-baked version of our long-term vision for Gnome 3.x's usability
end-game or, worse, a experiment thrust on our users until we figure out
what Gnome 3.x will be.

Let me state this clearly: until last week, Gnome 3.0 had a
barely-achievable time frame and a well defined goal for users to look
forward to. Today, Gnome 3.0 is looking like a repeat of GNOME 2.0 and KDE
4.0's marketing disasters. We are dangerously close to repeating history,
again. Specifically, we had set expectations in the outside word to
an achievable level before and now they are completely in-achievable. Gnome
3.0 will disappoint because it doesn't have what Ars and others mistakenly
took as our plan.

But we can fix it.

We need to put some reality check in place on what is getting out to the
press. Everything in Seth's posts are just ideas. They aren't Gnome 3.0. And
they aren't going to happen in time. In fact, production of marketing video
assets for Gnome 3.0 begin in a little over 30 days. We knew that there
would be risk starting this early but the simple fact of the matter is that
video production takes loads of time and resources; we have to start this
early. And as a matter of practicality, there's a lot of code to write to
get anywhere near what has been proposed at the usability hackfest and not a
lot of people available to do the actual writing of that code.

In addition, from a marketing perspective we, publicly, *cannot* promise
anything as radical as proposed by Seth (or others) for delivery *after*
Gnome 3.0. Here there be dragons:

   1. It makes us look like 3.0 is half-baked
   2. It makes us look like we're experimenting on our user ba

Re: Friends of GNOME goals (& IRC meeting)

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Stormy Peters  wrote:

> We haven't made much progress on our goal of 10 subscribers a month.
> (Although we continue to get donations, just not new subscribers.)
>
> Paul, can we add this to the IRC meeting agenda? Do we have a new time for
> that? Would you like me to help organize it?
>

I would like to have that IRC meeting that we've been planning for awhile.
We need to catch up on the hackfest goals too.
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Re: Gnome Foundation Ad On FSF Endorsed Network

[Jason D. Clinton]

Are we holding off on the "Made of Easy" a little longer or should we start
advertising it now? Should the banner say something about GNOME 3.0 or just
GNOME, in general?

I need to make the Friends of Gnome About proposal soon; we could bring up
GNOME/Gnome/Gnome.org at the same time if we we want this banner to
incorporate that idea.


On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Stormy Peters  wrote:

> Marketing list folks,
>
> Can somebody help put together the ad?
>
> I believe we have some slogans from the marketing hackfest and I'm happy to
> work with someone but I need some art team/design help!
>
> Stormy
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Jeremy Andrews  > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 23:49 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
>> > Jeremy,
>> >
>> > Has anybody contacted you regarding this?  I didn't see any responses
>> > here so I wasn't sure if there was interest at all.
>>
>> No response yet, but the offer still stands.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>  -Jeremy
>>
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Re: Foundation Spokespeople (was FW: "Private Foundation-List" Petition for referendum)

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Dave Neary  wrote:

> > I could _possibly_ put together a quick media training session, on the
> order
> > of 90 minutes or so, but--for better or worse--it's the kind of thing
> that
> > needs to be done face-to-face: I can't do it either on the phone or via
> > email. Maybe at GUADEC this summer?
>
> Big +1 from me.
>
> We could also run a half day speaker's workshop, which I'd be happy to
> lead, to get people presenting better (the same as they do in OSCON -
> with Damien Conway no less).
>

There is a tentatively planned marketing hackfest for March/April with
regard to the beginning of the production of video assets for the GNOME 3.0
launch. And then there is a much more firmly planned meeting at GUADEC for
more of the same. We could tie in media training in to either of these and
increase participation at the respective overall events.
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Re: GNOME Marketing Meeting

[Jason D. Clinton]

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Paul Cutler  wrote:

> I apologize, but due to some weather my trip home was delayed and messed up
> my work schedule for tomorrow.  Unfortunately I won't be able to make the
> meeting.  I'll set up a new Doodle poll as all the other options were
> limited.


Do you have the URL for the new Doodle?
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Re: GNOME Marketing Meeting

[Jason D. Clinton]

I have a conflict with that time so I won't make it. Looking forward to the
Cliff notes.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Paul Cutler  wrote:

> Thank you to everyone who participated in the Doodle poll for possible
> meeting dates and times.
>
> Based on the results of the poll, the Marketing meeting will be Thursday,
> Dec. 10th at 20:00 UTC / 14:00 US CST.
>
> The meeting will be in #marketing on GIMPnet IRC.
>
> I'm traveling for work the next two days, but I'll try and send out an
> agenda on Wed.  If there is anything you'd like to see on the agenda, please
> drop an email to the list.
>
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