[Marxism] Australia and the Vietnam War
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Fifty years ago the first Australian invaders landed in Vietnam. It's a war our rulers lost, so an anniversary will spark debate as they try to justify their crimes writes Tom O'Lincoln. However our rulers will never shake off the stench of their Vietnam War. http://enpassant.com.au/2012/08/20/australia-and-the-vietnam-war/ John Passant All that is solid melts into air Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] help needed
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Does anyone have a link to this article. it is currently behind a paywall. Sinomania: global crisis, China’s crisis? *Ho-fung Hung comradely Gary * Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Ecological awareness in ancient India
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Dear Comrades, I have been wondering of late about the existing practices in traditional customs in India. Every culture would have built up some sort of customs and norms for preserving nature. There is an old song philosophical musings', which is usually sung by bards as they travel from village to village. This is a rough translation to convey the spirit of the song: O Lord Shiva! I wanted to wash your statue with fresh water from the mountain stream. When I went to collect water, the little fish in the water heckled me and said it had already tasted the water. O Lord Shiva! I wanted to wash your statue instead with the pious cow's milk. When I went to the cowshed to collect milk, the little calf taunted me saying that it had already tasted the milk. O Lord Shiva! I wanted to decorate your statue with fresh flowers from the forest. When I went to pluck the flowers, millions of butterflies have laughed and said they have already tasted the honey in the flowers. Please tell me O Lord, what should I do? Indian culture is built up on worship of natural forces. For example, the Bunyan tree is a must for every village and it is in the center of the village. Village councils, school and many cultural and religious events are held under the shade of the Bunyan. Similarly the neem tree is sacred because of its medicinal properties. It is prohibited to cut down fruit bearing trees and only when the tree is sufficiently old, can you cut it for firewood or timber. In some regions in India, the calf has the first right to its mother's milk. Your can share the milk only when the calf is fully satiated. Indian agriculture was totally organic and self sustaining before India's Independence. With modernization, it had become completely dependent on electricity, fertilisers, pesticides and now BT seeds. As Marx pointed out, Indian villages were self sustained. Most of the goods were produced and consumed locally. What was good for a pre-industrial and feudal society need bot be good today. But we can learn some thing from the old customs that had sustained and maintained balance between humans and nature. Any more thoughts? Vijaya Kumar Marla Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] SA mine massacre: the Stalinists respond
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The first item is a good non-Stalinist analysis, the rest are from a US Stalinist, the SA CP, and COSATU. http://lists.portside.org/cgi-bin/listserv/wa?A2=ind1208CL=PORTSIDEF=S=P=16233 It's possible that some of the allegations against the AMCU are true. In a very complex social situation, and in the absence of a sizable left alternative, we've seen more than once the rise of bogus left critics of the ANC (e.g. Winnie Mandela). That doesn't explain away the pro-capitalist policies, once again enforced by murder, of the Stalinists. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] SA mine massacre: the Stalinists respond
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 8/20/12 7:38 AM, Andrew Pollack wrote: The first item is a good non-Stalinist analysis, the rest are from a US Stalinist, the SA CP, and COSATU. http://lists.portside.org/cgi-bin/listserv/wa?A2=ind1208CL=PORTSIDEF=S=P=16233 It's possible that some of the allegations against the AMCU are true. ? Here it is necessary to focus some light on the AMCU leaders and the political baggage of NUM. Mathunjwa and AMCU leader Steve Kholekilethe are former NUM members who were expelled from NUM for anarchism and who then moved on the form AMCU. AMCU leaders can rightly be considered the ideological brothers of the anarchists within the US Occupy movement who wear masks over their faces, throw trash cans through store windows and set buildings on fire. The only difference between those who set buildings on fire and those who encourage workers to arm themselves and make unreasonable wage demands is the scale of collateral damage. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Ecological awareness in ancient India
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Vijaya Kumar Marla wrote: I have been wondering of late about the existing practices in traditional customs in India. Every culture would have built up some sort of customs and norms for preserving nature. This Fissured Land: An Ecological History of India, by Madhav Gadgil and Ramachandra Guha, discusses this in some detail, from a materialist perspective. The preservation of sacred groves in many places served (and still serves in a few places) to preserve indigenous plant species and habitat refuges for wildlife. Capitalist exploitation of the environment won't be ended by a return to old religious practices, but an understanding of the ways in which those practices have preserved nature may help us in the struggle for socialism and a more sustainable way of life. Comradely, Karen Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Ecological awareness in ancient India
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/ecology/cattle.htm CATTLE IN INDIA Descendants of Aryan nomads invaded the Indian subcontinent around 1750 B.C. They were beef eaters. After 600 B.C., the Aryan overlords and their Brahman priests could not supply enough beef for their own appetites and the masses. The cause of the beef crisis was a combination of population growth and depleting natural resources, including grazing land. The peasants grew angry at the Brahman caste and the Vedic chieftans who ruled India. This proved fertile ground for the growth of Buddhism, a new religious sect that was opposed to the taking of any animal life. A religion that attacked the killing of beef was welcomed by a population forced to watch the extravagent dining habits of the ruling-class. A struggle between Buddhism and Hinduism lasted nine centuries until Hinduism prevailed, but adopting many of the practices, including the slaughter of cattle. When I was in high-school, I remember teachers making racist comments about how stupid the Indians were since so many of them went to bed hungry at night, but they allowed all that beef to just walk around and go to waste. Rifkin [Jeremy Rifkin in Beyond Beef] makes the case for a more nuanced understanding of the role of the cow in the Indian peasant economy. At present there are 200 million cows in India, freely roaming about. These cows provide most of India's dairy requirements. The ox provides traction for 60 million small farmers whose land feeds 80% of the population. Of the 700 million tons of cattle dung that is produced each year, about half is used as fertilizer and the other half for cooking fuel. Marvin Harris, author of The Sacred Cow and the Abominable Pig, estimates that dung produces the thermal equivalent of 27 million tons of kerosene, 35 million tons of coal, or 68 million tons of wood. In Africa and Latin American, huge swaths of tropical rainforests have been cut down to provide cooking fuel. Depletion of the rain forest in Africa has created the conditions in which the Ebola virus and AIDS can migrate from animal to human populations. Cow dung is mixed with water in order to produce household flooring. Each day small children follow the family cow around collecting excrement for a variety of household uses. Cattle hides are used in the leather industry, which is the largest in the world. Even the carcasses of ancient cows are solw do slaughterhouses and used as a source of meat for non-Hindus. Cattle do not compete with human population for arable lands. In one study, it was found that less than 20 percent of the cattle diet in West Bengal is composed of foodstuffs edible by humans. The cattle subsist on a diet of household garbage, chaff, stalks and leaves. The are also fed oil cakes made of cottonseed, soybean, and coconut residues that are inedible by people. I supply this information not in order to point to some kind of alternative life-style for non-Hindu populations, but simply to illustrate another way that cattle can interact with a political economy. My information, of course, comes from Rifkin and not any sources that I have explored myself. Any errors that Ruhal or Rakesh can point out would be greatly appreciated. Or, if they have a different analysis of the role of the cow in India, I would invite them to comment. (Not as if they need an invitation from anybody!) Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Assad's Kurdish strategy
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/?p=15769 Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Defense Against Imperialism
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == From Andy Pollock: “Lord knows in thesedays when leftist toadying to Assad, to Ahmedinejad, to Zuma, is still costingus tremendously on a world scale, we need to be precise in ourscientific analysis at the same time as we mobilize energetically in defenseof the Ecuadorean government and any other government standing upin practice, not just in words, to imperialism, whatever the classnature of those regimes. Defending them, hailing their progressive steps,doesn't mean prettifying them.” This is a crucial point. Defense againstimperialism does not mean apology for the regime. The Left in the US has spenddecades apologizing from regimes that stand against imperialism. David Berger Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] SA mine massacre: the Stalinists respond
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Never knew the Black Block to have gotten the support of the majority of workers in one of the country's major industrial facilities, if not the country as a whole. They seem more like the IWW to me. Also I'm not sure what unreasonable wage demands are. Seems I recall this type of accusation being leveled not only at the IWW, but later against the CIO by the more traditional unionists of the AFL and at various points by the Stalinists against Cannon, Dunne and the trotskyists, among others. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: AMCU leaders can rightly be considered the ideological brothers of the anarchists within the US Occupy movement who wear masks over their faces, throw trash cans through store windows and set buildings on fire. The only difference between those who set buildings on fire and those who encourage workers to arm themselves and make unreasonable wage demands is the scale of collateral damage. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] SA mine massacre: the Stalinists respond
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I had exactly the same reaction as Louis to that particular accusation, the equation of AMCU and Black Bloc. By putting my sentence about some allegations possibly being true right before that excerpt, Louis may have given the impression I thought that particular one might be. I have no idea which IF ANY of the accusations are true. And the repeated anarchist-baiting in the Stalinists' articles is typical of their reactionary method. So again, all I'm saying is that the AMCU don't have to be pure as the driven snow for us to acknowledge that the ANC/SACP are the servants of capital, and have blood on their hands in this matter. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: On 8/20/12 7:38 AM, Andrew Pollack wrote: The first item is a good non-Stalinist analysis, the rest are from a US Stalinist, the SA CP, and COSATU. http://lists.portside.org/cgi-bin/listserv/wa?A2=ind1208CL=PORTSIDEF=S=P=16233 It's possible that some of the allegations against the AMCU are true. ? Here it is necessary to focus some light on the AMCU leaders and the political baggage of NUM. Mathunjwa and AMCU leader Steve Kholekilethe are former NUM members who were expelled from NUM for anarchism and who then moved on the form AMCU. AMCU leaders can rightly be considered the ideological brothers of the anarchists within the US Occupy movement who wear masks over their faces, throw trash cans through store windows and set buildings on fire. The only difference between those who set buildings on fire and those who encourage workers to arm themselves and make unreasonable wage demands is the scale of collateral damage. __**__ Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.**utah.eduMarxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.** utah.edu/mailman/options/**marxism/acpollack2%40gmail.comhttp://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/acpollack2%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Brother Can You Spare a Dollar?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == “Brother Can You Spare a Dollar?” opened two nights ago at the Quad Cinema in NYC and can best be described as a close relative of Michael Moore’s “Capitalism, a Love Story”. As was the case with Moore’s documentary, the dominant message is that the government should address the Great Recession of today just as it during the Great Depression of the 1930s. Moore’s film ended on the rather foolish note that Obama would become the FDR of today, while director Thom Hoffman ends “Brother Can You Spare a Dollar?” with a nod toward the Occupy Movement. That’s progress on the political front to say the least. full: http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2012/08/20/brother-can-you-spare-a-dollar/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Village Voice on its last legs?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Good riddance to bad medicine. http://jimromenesko.com/2012/08/18/village-voice-media-on-the-verge-of-collapse/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Ecological awareness in ancient India
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Karen wrote: Capitalist exploitation of the environment won't be ended by a return to old religious practices, but an understanding of the ways in which those practices have preserved nature may help us in the struggle for socialism and a more sustainable way of life. I think I had failed to convey my idea properly. I was not advocating any kind of a return to old ways of living. I was only highlighting the centuries old ecological awareness. The bard's song philosophical musings made me realise that a few centuries ago, they could convey the concept of interdependence in nature so succinctly to un-educated masses, where as with all the modern tools, we are still finding it difficult to spread the message of Ecological balance. Mine is a lone voice in many party meetings, where they patiently go through my talk on Marxism and ecology and finally say that : Comrade, we agree with what you are saying, but right now, we have to concentrate on urgent day-to-day issues. Which means my 15 minutes talk simply evaporated in to thin air. Where are we failing? Vijaya Kumar Marla Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Former Black Panther Richard Aoki Named an FBI Informant
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://colorlines.com/archives/2012/08/former_black_panther_richard_aoki_named_an_fbi_informant.html YouTube video: The Man Who Armed the Panthers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOWR3ArCEqI The man who armed the Black Panthers turns out to have been an FBI informant. FBI files, uncovered by journalist Seth Rosenfeld, reveal that Richard Aoki, a prominent activist in the 1960s who was the first to supply the Black Panthers with guns and weapons training, was also an undercover FBI source. The Center for Investigative Reporting has more details http://cironline.org/reports/man-who-armed-black-panthers-was-fbi-informant-records-show-3753 : Aoki’s work for the FBI, which has never been reported, was uncovered and verified during research for the book, “Subversives: The FBI’s War on Student Radicals, and Reagan’s Rise to Power.” The book, based on research spanning three decades, will be published tomorrow by Farrar, Straus and Giroux. In a tape-recorded interview for the book in 2007, two years before he committed suicide, Aoki was asked if he had been an FBI informant. Aoki’s first response was a long silence. He then replied, ” ‘Oh,’ is all I can say.” Later during the same interview, Aoki contended the information wasn’t true. Asked if this reporter was mistaken that Aoki had been an informant, Aoki said, “I think you are,” but added: “People change. It is complex. Layer upon layer.” A Nov. 16, 1967, intelligence report on the Black Panthers obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request lists Aoki as an “informant” with the code number “T-2.” Visit the Center for Investigative Reporting http://cironline.org/timeline-informant-history-3756 to view their interactive timeline that illustrates how Aoki became an informant. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] SA mine massacre: the Stalinists respond
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: unreasonable wage demands What are those? I don't know that I've ever seen or heard of one. -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] SA mine massacre: the Stalinists respond
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Indeed. And by the way, this is not a new tactic for SA Stalinists. I'll never forget reading, right after apartheid was ended, a statement from the ANC or SACP about how autoworkers on strike were being selfish for demanding too much when the rest of the working class was so poor! Of course right about the same time Lewie Andersen was helping to bust the Hormel strike in the Midwest US, using the rationale that they should have gone along with the downward harmonization of wages to preserve unity... On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Joseph Catron jncat...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: unreasonable wage demands What are those? I don't know that I've ever seen or heard of one. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Counterpunch recirculates ANC/SACP talking points
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/08/20/behind-the-south-africa-mineworkers-strike/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Marxism Digest, Vol 106, Issue 22
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Nobody on this list is talking about the spate of politicaly-motivated proletarian expropriations currently making the healines in Spain. Farmers and activists are emerging from Spanish supermarkets with trolleys full of bread, rice and meat. And they refuse to pay for said items, claiming that farmers are being paid bellow production-price. This new trend is proving very controversial, as Spanish Socialist elected officials abstain from actual theft, while Socialist Party mayors of small farming communities openly lead their constituencies in pillaging supermarkerts. Spanish radical youth has cought on, and planning a proletarian expropriation on a local supermarkert (forty youths fill their trolleys with meat and beans and then exit without paying) has become widespread. Of course, the current right-wing Spanish government is eager to crack down on such malfaiseance and extend the reach of anti-terorrism laws. In Greece, there are reports of similar wide-spread supermarket theft, in which the local supermarket is targeted by groups of 20+ individuals intent on escaping with pasta, beans and canned sausages. According to the BBC, young children in Greece are gathering in groups in Athens to pick every single orange tree and cherry tree in sight. According to the BBC, Orange Trees were deemed to be ornamental in many suburbs of Athens, but are now being picked clean by children. Of course, organized, political, theft from supermarkets is exceedingly unusual and will always remain so, as the concept of private property is the basis of the present mode of production. Given our present way of life, it may actually be in the bosse's interest to feed the starving. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Richard Aoki
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The disclosure that Aoki was an FBI informant is a bombshell in the Asian American and African American communities in the Bay Area. I knew Aoki personally and could never figure him out. Now it appears that he was one of the many informants whose name was blacked out in my Freedom of Information Act files from the FBI. This disclosure underscores the importance to only conduct political work with people who espouse a political philosophy with which you agree so that you support the philosophy rather than the person. To my knowledge Aoki never promoted the study of political economy or philosophy nor did the people who idealized him in life and after death. Red Arnie Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] help needed
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Has somebody sent you this yet? If not I have it so send me an email address so I can send it on. Best, Steff. Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:35:09 +1000 From: gary.maclenn...@gmail.com Subject: [Marxism] help needed To: mrpettymrsmo...@hotmail.com == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Does anyone have a link to this article. it is currently behind a paywall. Sinomania: global crisis, China’s crisis? *Ho-fung Hung comradely Gary * Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/mrpettymrsmorse%40hotmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Richard Aoki
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 8/20/12 5:09 PM, Red Arnie wrote: The disclosure that Aoki was an FBI informant is a bombshell in the Asian American and African American communities in the Bay Area. I knew Aoki personally and could never figure him out. Now it appears that he was one of the many informants whose name was blacked out in my Freedom of Information Act files from the FBI. This disclosure underscores the importance to only conduct political work with people who espouse a political philosophy with which you agree so that you support the philosophy rather than the person. To my knowledge Aoki never promoted the study of political economy or philosophy nor did the people who idealized him in life and after death. They are discussing this at Kasama Project: http://kasamaproject.org/2012/08/20/richard-aoki-exposed-straight-talk-about-security-culture-the-new-cointelpro/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Richard Aoki
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == At 14:09 20-08-12 -0700, Red Arnie wrote: The disclosure that Aoki was an FBI informant is a bombshell in the Asian American and African American communities in the Bay Area. I'll bet it is! And well beyond that locality given his relationship to the founding and early years of the BPP. Moreover, it is stated that he had also infiltrated the SWP (presumably in Oakland) which would appear to have been in the early 1960's. I wonder if anyone else on this list might have known him in that regard. (Was he actually a member??) I found the timeline and the 5 minute video extremely interesting. They can be viewed at: http://cironline.org/timeline-informant-history-3756 Also of great interest is the book by Seth Rosenfeld (who uncovered this information) which is officially released tomorrow and available at Amazon. I knew Aoki personally and could never figure him out. ... This disclosure underscores the importance to only conduct political work To my knowledge Aoki never promoted the study of political economy or philosophy Well, whenever you find out something like this it's natural to go back and cite the indications and warning signs. But that can be self-illusory. It is really counter-productive when you invoke rules about how to detect an informer, because each case is different. You will almost surely find yourself going after innocent people if you take those seriously, and generally creating false mistrust. - Jeff Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] 1,500$ a month for SA mine workers !
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 8/20/12 6:09 PM, dan wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Dear Louis, Your latest comment : AMCU leaders can rightly be considered the ideological brothers of the anarchists within the US Occupy movement who wear masks over their faces, throw trash cans through store windows and set buildings on fire. The only difference between those who set buildings on fire and those who encourage workers to arm themselves and make unreasonable wage demands is the scale of collateral damage. is disturbing. That was *not* my comment. I was quoting Jean Damu, an American CP'er or fellow traveler: http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/08/20/behind-the-south-africa-mineworkers-strike/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] 1,500$ a month for SA mine workers !
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: That was *not* my comment. I was quoting Jean Damu, an American CP'er or fellow traveler: http://www.counterpunch.org/** 2012/08/20/behind-the-south-**africa-mineworkers-strike/http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/08/20/behind-the-south-africa-mineworkers-strike/ Thanks for your clarification. I think you dropped a URL from your e-mail cited here, which clearly left some of us wondering! -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Sorry
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis, I am really, really sorry for accusing you of reactionary intentions. I apologize profusely. I read your post and wrongly assumed that you were criticizing SA mine workers for demanding a two-fold increase in pay and arming themselves to better pressure the government. I, as most Marxists, spend my time analysing the current state of society and looking for signs of change. For the last 300 years, mines and extractive ressources have become especially important for the ever-changing paradigms of Capitalist accumulation. By cutting each individual worker from a global understanding of the process of production, the present mode of production depends on the market to allocate ressources after they have been extracted. This means that Capitalism can continue as no worker knows what his trouble is worth until after his pay. SA Mine workers can extract several tons of Platinium and know that it is to be used in the automobile industry (47%), but they may not manage production for their own sake. On 08/12/2012 08:00 PM, marxism-requ...@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu wrote: Send Marxism mailing list submissions to marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to marxism-requ...@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu You can reach the person managing the list at marxism-ow...@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Marxism digest... == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Today's Topics: 1. Breaking news from Egypt (Jim Farmelant) 2. Re: Jack A. Smith: My life and times with the Guardian (Jack Smith) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:17:19 GMT From: Jim Farmelant farmela...@juno.com To: marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Subject: [Marxism] Breaking news from Egypt Message-ID: 20120812.121719.1428...@webmail10.vgs.untd.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Egypt's Morsi Cans Top Brass, Appoints VP ORDERS TOP OFFICIALS TO RETIRE, REVOKES MILITARY POWERS http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/50239.aspx Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant http://www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math Better Than A Facelift#63 Doctor Reveals Lazy Way To Look Up To 15 Years Younger in 17 Seconds http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5027d7598be8e5758744ast04vuc -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 13:38:24 -0400 From: Jack Smith jac...@earthlink.net To: Marxism List marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Marxism] Jack A. Smith: My life and times with the Guardian Message-ID: cc4d6250.31ac%jac...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In response to Ethan Young's comment in issue 22 where he suggests it was appropriate for me to mention the founders of the National Guardian: The document in question consisted of a quickly written notes for the Rag Blog interviewer to use in introducing me. I gave credit to James Aronson, Cedric Belfrage and John T McManus in my essay, The Guardian Goes to War, published in Insider Histories of the Vietnam Era Underground Press edited by Ken Wachsberger, (Michigan State University Press, 2011). This contribution also offers an insider's view of the transfer of the newspaper's ownership and control to its staff collective, and the political ramifications of this move during the so called Old left/New left conditions of the time. Editor Aronson, for whom I had considerable respect, was not ousted, as Young declares. His abrupt voluntary resignation was a complete surprise to staff members who were agitating for the newspaper to improve its coverage and take a more supportive stance toward the developing new movements of these years. The Guardian at the time was in critical financial difficulties, made all the more serious by the withdrawal of contributions attendant upon Aronson's departure. The staff kept the paper going for many years thereafter ? ultimately doubling its size and circulation - through low pay and long hours. Jack A. Smith -- ___ Marxism mailing list Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu
[Marxism] TERRIBLE column slandering Correa
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Their motto should be All that's filth, we print. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/20/opinion/why-correa-lets-assange-stay-in-ecuador-embassy.html?ref=opinion Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] TERRIBLE column slandering Correa
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 8/20/12 7:02 PM, Andrew Pollack wrote: Their motto should be All that's filth, we print. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/20/opinion/why-correa-lets-assange-stay-in-ecuador-embassy.html?ref=opinion Well, Professor Isaacs has a long-standing association with Freedom House so this is to be expected. You are dealing with cruddy neo-cons who would love nothing more than to see Julian Assange in Guantanamo and Correa suffering the same fate as Salvador Allende. Some Freedom House board members: Joshua Muravchik Max Kampelman, Chairman Emeritus Jay Mazur Diana Villiers Negroponte (wife of John Negroponte, the pig who as Ambassador to Honduras in the 1980s worked with Oliver North to keep the Nicaraguan contras going.) The chairman of the board of these sleazy criminal bastards says it all: William H. Taft IV Will Taft most recently was the Warren Christopher Visiting Professor of the Practice of International Law and Diplomacy at Stanford Law School. His long service in government includes serving as the Deputy Secretary of Defense, the U.S. Permanent Representative to NATO, and as chief legal advisor to the State Department. He is a retired partner in the Washington office of Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver Jacobson. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] TERRIBLE column slandering Correa
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == thanks Louis two nota benes: 1. for those who haven't heard of him, Jay Mazur was president of the ILGWU, rival with the AFT for coldest of the cold warrior unions 2. Freedom House was one of the bogus NGOs whose offices in Egypt were raided a few months ago (not for the right reasons, but as a pretext to allow SCAF to continue repressing the real NGOs). On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: Well, Professor Isaacs has a long-standing association with Freedom House so this is to be expected. You are dealing with cruddy neo-cons who would love nothing more than to see Julian Assange in Guantanamo and Correa suffering the same fate as Salvador Allende. Some Freedom House board members: Joshua Muravchik Max Kampelman, Chairman Emeritus Jay Mazur Diana Villiers Negroponte (wife of John Negroponte, the pig who as Ambassador to Honduras in the 1980s worked with Oliver North to keep the Nicaraguan contras going.) The chairman of the board of these sleazy criminal bastards says it all: William H. Taft IV Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Even Muravchik's parents can't stand him
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Some Freedom House board members: Joshua Muravchik From Wikipedia: Muravchik is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, where he researches Middle East politics, democracy, and the history of socialism. He is also a patron of the Henry Jackson Society, which sponsors discussions and activities around the political legacy of Senator Henry Scoop Jackson. He describes himself as a neo-conservative, despite the disapproval of his social-democratic father and socialist mother. His father criticized his Heaven on earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism: Josh Muravchik’s father, Manny, eighty-five-years-old, breathing through oxygen tubes, [was] handing out his own two-page Xeroxed affirmation of socialism. Manny let the reader know that his own life, and that of Josh’s mother, would be impossible today absent the very sort of anti-market reforms—Medicare, rent-controlled apartments—for which they’d worked while Josh was still a pisher and toward which he sounded at best ambivalent today. Father told son that if there was utopian impulse to be feared, it was that messianic laissez-faire nonsense he must have picked up once he’d left home. You think your mother and I could survive in your perfect world, Mr. Capitalist Shill? His mother was too upset with his book to attend the discussion. In 2006, he called for the bombing of Iran in a Los Angeles Times op-ed entitled Bomb Iran. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] TERRIBLE column slandering Correa
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I met Josh Muravchik when he was a YPSL leader in 1970; he was on a speaking tour, and he came to UMass. What a slimeball! Tom -Original Message- Some Freedom House board members: Joshua Muravchik Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Assange
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == It's quite simple really, as it boils down to : a) The Swedish government will guarantee that Assange will not be deported to the US or b) The Swedish gov. will not give any guarantees that Assange will not be subject to deportation to the US. Assange has made it clear that he is willing to go to Sweden PRO*VIDED he is given assurances he will not be deported. For my part, I am perplexed by the Swe resoldish gov.'s refusal to guarantee there will be no extradition to the US. The merits and demerits of Sweden's Sexual assault charges are one thing, Assange's deportation to the US are another. The whole diplomatic incident is heading for a resolution : Assange will stand trial in Stockholm but will not be deported to the US. Until this agreement is reached (after the US 2012 election ???) Assange will not budge. And any court in Stockholm that will hear the charges of sexual assault will sentence Assange to a maximum of six months in prison, but actually this will be a suspended sentence, or perhaps the Australian will be ordered to perform community service. The sexual assault charges are related to Assange having sex with two Wikileaks volunteers who later acknowledged that sex did happen but that it was not entirely consensual. A Swedish court sentencing Assange to more than a year in prison would be really bizzare, so that Assange's refusal to be tried in Sweden is a strong indicator of his fear of being deported to the US, a country whose fascistic tendencies are growing ever more notorious. I must end this mail by stating that I am a Feminist and that any power structure that oppresses women (or men for that matter) is unacceptable. * Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Assange
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:32 AM, dan d.koech...@wanadoo.fr wrote: For my part, I am perplexed by the Swe resoldish gov.'s refusal to guarantee there will be no extradition to the US. Apparently, they simply can't without an active extradition request: The difficulty is that Sweden has not received an extradition request and nor could it have since Assange is in Ecuador's Embassy in the UK. On a practical level Sweden could not give an undertaking on a request not yet received. Legally there are problems too. In Sweden section 15 of their Extradition For Criminal Offences Act states that “ Before the government makes a decision , the Prosecutor General shall deliver a statement of opinion on the matter. In addition , if the person referred to in the request has not consented to being extradited, the case shall be tried by the Supreme Court. The request shall , however, be rejected immediately if there is a manifest reason why it should not be granted. “ Therefore it appears that if the extradition is contested as it would be in Assange's case then it is a matter for the court not the government to decide if he is extradited. http://www.firmmagazine.com/features/1179/Assange_-_what%27s_going_on%3F.html -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] South Africa
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == It was written in 1999, but folks might be interested in this paper, which looks at the evolution of South African capital and the ANC, most particularly the ANC's first five years in government: http://rdln.wordpress.com/2012/07/06/south-africas-non-revolution/ I'd also recommend Patrick Bond's Elite Transition book. Phil Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Why defend Assange against Imperialist-Bourgeois campaign of persercution and also at the same time what is the best strategies to fight Sexism?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://defendtrotskyism.wordpress.com/defend-assange-against-imperialist-bourgeois-assault-but-continue-fight-against-sexism/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Massacring miners: the ANC, the Provos and the Irish struggle
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On August 16, South African police opened fire on striking miners at the Lonmin mine, near Johannesburg. The police shot dead 34 miners and injured 78 more. While ANC leader and South African president Joseph Zuma has called for a commission of inquiry and declared a national week of mourning. Cyril Ramaphosa, once a militant workers’ leader and now a multi-millionaire with shares in the Lonmin mine, has offered to pay for the funerals. Zuma and Ramaphosa are total hypocrites. The massacre of these workers is the perfectly logical outcome of the entire course of the ANC since it won the country’s first democratic elections in 1994. The entire ANC is rotten to the core because its primary commitment is to managing capitalism in South Africa, a course which also has the happy result of enriching a whole layer of ANC bureaucrats and converting them into millionaires. For an analysis of this course, see herehttp://rdln.wordpress.com/2012/07/06/south-africas-non-revolution/. (This is a paper from 1999, which lays out the evolution of South African capitalism and the ANC.) The massacre and the evolution of the ANC is of direct relevance to the Irish struggle for several reasons. The development of the ANC is similar to that of Fatah in the Palestine, the Sandinistas after their removal from power, and the Provos in Ireland. In each. . . Full at: http://theirishrevolution.wordpress.com/2012/08/20/massacring-miners-the-anc-the-provos-and-the-lessons-for-the-struggle-in-ireland/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why defend Assange against Imperialist-Bourgeois campaign of persercution and also at the same time what is the best strategies to fight Sexism?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Anthony Brain brainanthony...@yahoo.comwrote: http://defendtrotskyism.wordpress.com/defend-assange-against-imperialist-bourgeois-assault-but-continue-fight-against-sexism/ From what I know I do not believe Assange raped those women. What does that even mean? The actions of which he is accused would constitute rape under both the British and Swedish legal codes ( http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2012/08/five-legal-myths-about-assange-extradition). I hope the author has some case, which he hasn't presented here, for absolute innocence, as there could hardly be a less opportune week for Todd Akin/Sparticist League-style attempts to redefine rape in the attacker's favor. -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Peru: BHP spill devastates community
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The highland agricultural community of Santa Rosa de Cajacuy, in Peru’s central Ancash department, has been severely affected by a toxic spill from the BHP Billiton and Xstrata-operated Antamina mine. Antamina is one of the world’s largest sources of copper and zinc. It relies on a 300 kilometre high-pressure pipeline to pump resources from the mountains to coastal port facilities. http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/51940 -- “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why defend Assange...
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Whether this case originated as a legitimate rape investigation or whether it was a frame-up job from the start (both are possible, although probably not equally possible), this case has not been about rape for a LONG time. Assange has repeatedly invited Swedish prosecutors to question him in Britain, and Ecuador has now repeated that invitation. Assange has also repeatedly offered to go to Sweden if guaranteed that he wouldn't be extradited to the U.S. That Sweden has refused both of those requests shows that their interest in prosecuting a rape case and providing justice to an alleged rape victim is nil. Furthermore, we know that the prosecution initially dropped the entire case because of insufficient evidence, before taking it up again as a result of political pressure. Now they claim the only thing they need to do is to question...Assange? The potential DEFENDANT? How exactly is questioning the potential defendant going to strengthen their already weak case and allow them to proceed to prosecution? The idea is preposterous. Further, we now have Britain bearing the expense of stationing 20 cops outside the Ecuadorian embassy 24/7, indefinitely, and threatening to tear down centuries of international law by invading an embassy. And we're to believe they're doing this not to bring a convicted mass murderer to justice, not for a convicted rapist, not even for someone who has been CHARGED with rape, but someone who is simply wanted for questioning? Any assertion that this case is not 100% political simply strains credulity. Eli Stephens Left I on the News http://lefti.blogspot.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Recently at Redline
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Redline is an independent, Marxist blog based in NZ. Some recent material that may be of interest: Capital and the state: http://rdln.wordpress.com/2012/07/20/capital-and-the-state/ Stand by our migrant brothers and sisters: http://rdln.wordpress.com/2012/08/20/stand-by-our-migrant-brothers-and-sisters/ The rate of profit, finance and imperialism: http://rdln.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/the-rate-of-profit-finance-imperialism/ Leila Khaled MayDay speech: http://rdln.wordpress.com/2012/07/28/leila-khaled-mayday-speech-sweden-2011/ Phil Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why defend Assange...
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:10 AM, Eli Stephens elishasteph...@hotmail.comwrote: Assange has repeatedly invited Swedish prosecutors to question him in Britain, and Ecuador has now repeated that invitation. Assange has also repeatedly offered to go to Sweden if guaranteed that he wouldn't be extradited to the U.S. That Sweden has refused both of those requests shows that their interest in prosecuting a rape case and providing justice to an alleged rape victim is nil. Well, no. Assange isn't merely wanted by Sweden authorities for questioning, but also for arrest. And the Swedish government cannot guarantee its refusal of an extradition request that doesn't exist, under either its own or international law. http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2012/08/legal-myths-about-assange-extradition Further, we now have Britain bearing the expense of stationing 20 cops outside the Ecuadorian embassy 24/7, indefinitely, and threatening to tear down centuries of international law by invading an embassy. And we're to believe they're doing this not to bring a convicted mass murderer to justice, not for a convicted rapist, not even for someone who has been CHARGED with rape, but someone who is simply wanted for questioning? Aside from the legal confusion in your last two clauses (the Swedes DON'T charge you UNTIL you're arrested), I agree. -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] South America backs Ecuador over asylum at UNASUR meeting
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The Union of South American States (UNASUR) threw its support behind Ecuador in its diplomatic dispute with Britain over Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, after a meeting of UNASUR foreign ministers yesterday in Guayaquil, Ecuador. http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/51968 -- “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why defend Assange against Imperialist-Bourgeois campaign of persercution and also at the same time what is the best strategies to fight Sexism?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The governments of Britain and Sweden are trying to capture Assange - not to question him - but to place him under United States government control. You know the same governmentthat tortures! How could any Marxist on this list knowing history, state such ignorant bourgeois liberal crapabout conforming to legal codes of Britain and Sweden concerns - and not recognize this isa political case based on the exposing of governments foreign policies - and has nothing todo with women's rights. Shameful ignorance! Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:31:50 +0300 From: jncat...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Marxism] Why defend Assange against Imperialist-Bourgeois campaign of persercution and also at the same time what is the best strategies to fight Sexism? From what I know I do not believe Assange raped those women. What does that even mean? The actions of which he is accused would constitute rape under both the British and Swedish legal codes ( http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2012/08/five-legal-myths-about-assange-extradition). I hope the author has some case, which he hasn't presented here, for absolute innocence, as there could hardly be a less opportune week for Todd Akin/Sparticist League-style attempts to redefine rape in the attacker's favor. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Richard Aoki
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Jeff meis...@xs4all.nl wrote: I wonder if anyone else on this list might have known him in that regard. (Was he actually a member??) Kipp Dawson and Les Evans knew him and talked about him leaving the YSA for the BPP. In fact there was brief thread at the FB Partido site about him awhile back after he died. I also agree with Jeff about the danger of paranoia around tests for political loyalty, particularly if they're oriented around abstruse stuff like political economy or philosophy that many people with limited formal education have little affinity for, even though intellectuals lap that stuff up. Yes it has it's place, but it's far from the sine quo non of political work, quite the opposite. Well, whenever you find out something like this it's natural to go back and cite the indications and warning signs. But that can be self-illusory. It is really counter-productive when you invoke rules about how to detect an informer, because each case is different. You will almost surely find yourself going after innocent people if you take those seriously, and generally creating false mistrust. - Jeff Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why defend Assange...
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Eli Stephens elishasteph...@hotmail.com wrote: Whether this case originated as a legitimate rape investigation Read that slowly and consider your bedfellows here. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why defend Assange against Imperialist-Bourgeois campaign of persercution and also at the same time what is the best strategies to fight Sexism?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 5:33 AM, John Obrien causecollec...@msn.com wrote: How could any Marxist on this list knowing history, state such ignorant bourgeois liberal crapabout conforming to legal codes of Britain and Sweden concerns - and not recognize this isa political case based on the exposing of governments foreign policies - and has nothing todo with women's rights. Shameful ignorance! I do not define, and have never defined, myself as a Marxist. Marxish, perhaps. If you choose to embrace willful ignorance of objective facts, that is a decision you are entitled to make. But it is extremely unfair to the great majority of Marxists, as well as the Marxist tradition, to attribute this preference to Marxism. And spare me the breathless moral panic, dude. I'm just not impressed by that sort of thing. For the record, I oppose Assange's extradition, for reasons that have as much to do with Ecuador's national sovereignty and self-determination as anything else. But I'm a little repulsed by the eagerness with which many of Assange's most passionate defenders - inevitably men - dismiss allegations of rape, argue (without a shred of support) that they simply couldn't have happened, etc. As Sean reminded me in another thread, I've now seen the phrase legitimate rape in two contexts today. If there's any shame to be had here, it won't be found with me. -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] TERRIBLE column slandering Correa
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == amen! i remember at least one Muravchik book in the '80s attacking the FSLN and/or FMLN... On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Thomas Bias tgb...@ptd.net wrote: I met Josh Muravchik when he was a YPSL leader in 1970; he was on a speaking tour, and he came to UMass. What a slimeball! Tom Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] South Africa
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 8/21/2012 2:03 AM, Philip Ferguson wrote: I'd also recommend Patrick Bond's Elite Transition book. Thanks comrade, a version is up here: ccs.ukzn.ac.za/default.asp?10,24,8,55 Your article is very strong in retrospect. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Rich Aoki
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Aoki always gave the impression of a bent twig about to snap. In his speech, his mannerisms, even the way he flicked the ash of the cigarette he invariably clamped between his teeth instead of his lips, snapping his thumbnail ascross the filter in a gesture of contempt against everything except the person he was talking to. In the late sixties he would turn up here or there in the anti-war movement, never staying for long. It was almost as though he wanted to be publicly clandestine. Perhaps it was part of the act elaborated to penetrate the Panthers. Perhaps it was the natural result of the tension playing the role would have caused. Aoki had gone from the YSA into the BPP, at first, as he gave all to understand working with them and not renouncing his membership in the YSA. Then he came to speak only in terms of the BPP. Always there was the implication that he was doing something conspiratorial, something verging on violence. But it was hard to accept as reality, just as words. And again, it could have been his circumstances as above that caused it. Nevertheless, the left has always attracted marginal types, crackpots, potential demagogues.This has been the case for over a hundred years.So, it didn't seem abnormal in a way that would shout out Informer. When Rosenberg's book comes out we will see just when Aoki's connection with the FBI began -befofre the YSA or after. Was he sent into the YSA or recruited after. How does one become an informant. Infiltration is something we always anticipate, but often not the turning of a comrade. Wayne Collins Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Cuba: Report on Guidelines implementation
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On a personal note, readers may be interested to know that I'm beginning a Master of Arts (Research) in Political Economy, under Dr. Tim Anderson, at Sydney University. It's a one-year research thesis on Cuba. Specifically, where is Cuba headed? Perhaps when it's finished I can post a link to this blog. Here is my translation of a summary of an important address by Marino Murillo, head of the Cuban government's permanent commission overseeing the implementation of the Economic and Social Policy Guidelines, to Cuba's National Assembly in late July. I was able to watch a telecast of his address on Cuban TV. It was a very thorough report that took up about two hours, accompanied by a Power Point presentation. Murillo used his report to announce to major new initiatives in the implementation process: an experimental phase in the projected overhaul of central planning and state enterprises, and the establishment of 222 experimental non-agricultural cooperatives that will manage small and medium-sizes state-owned entities. Note that state-owned entities will not be privatised but handed over, under various leasing arrangements, to work collectives to manage on a cooperative basis. It's also worth drawing attention to what this progress report indicates about the status of the Guidelines. Raul Castro has repeatedly stressed that they cannot be allowed to be shelved and forgotten, as as often happened in the past. In his closing speech to the same National Assembly session, Raul explained that the updating of the economic model has entered a qualitatively new phase with the drafting and approval of the 2012-2015 Strategic Plan for implementation of the Guidelines, with a corresponding timetable for comprehensive, step-by-step measures. He added: You have no doubt noticed that in the various reports presented to the Assembly, and in my own address, repeated mention is made of specific guidelines when matters relating to them are being discussed. I must say that this is not by chance, it is intended to firmly establish in our minds a determination to fulfill these Guidelines and to not to allow decisions of the utmost importance for the future of our nation to, once again, become a dead letter. LINK to translation: http://cubasocialistrenewal.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/translation-report-on-guidelines.html Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
