Re: [Marxism] Howie Hawkins is the nominee
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I believe that at one point there were four or more candidates. The most high profile of them was former pro-wrestler (and Governor of Minnesota) Jesse Ventura, who withdrew a couple of months ago. SR -Original Message- On 7/11/20 4:50 PM, Glenn Kissack via Marxism wrote: > Are there significant differences between Hawkins and Hunter? Not really. He just thought he would be a better candidate. I have to admit, however, that I haven't paid much attention to his campaign. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Black National Guard members express discomfort with quelling Black Lives Matter protesters
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * A number of public officials, retired military officers https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/us/politics/military-national-guard-trump-protests.html , and protesters were concerned with the Washington, DC, National Guard’s role in clearing Lafayette Square https://www.vox.com/2020/6/1/21277610/monday-lafayette-square-tear-gas and suppressing protests https://www.vox.com/2020/6/2/21277877/trump-law-and-order-protests-chaos-dc in the nation’s capital last week for a presidential photo op. So, too, were the Guard members themselves, according to new https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/us/politics/national-guard-protests.html reports https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/09/national-guard-protests-309932 . According to reporting from the New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/us/politics/national-guard-protests.html , when asked to employ “aggressive tactics” against local civilians, “black members of the D.C. Guard objected to turning on their neighbors.” Some members of the majority-minority force “were so ashamed in taking part against the protests that they have kept it from family members,” the Times’s Thomas Gibbons-Neff, Eric Schmitt, and Helene Cooper report: > “Typically, as the D.C. National Guard, we are viewed as the heroes,” > said another soldier, First Lt. Malik Jenkins-Bey, 42, who was the acting > commander of the 273rd Military Police Company during the first days of the > protests. But last week was different, he said. > > “It’s a very tough conversation to have when a soldier turns to me and > they’re saying, ‘Hey sir, you know my cousin was up there yelling at me, that > was my neighbor, my best friend from high school,’” said Lieutenant > Jenkins-Bey, who is African-American. > Full at: https://www.vox.com/2020/6/11/21288006/black-national-guardsman-discomfort-enforcers-black-lives-matter-protests-george-floyd _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Minneapolis city council votes to disband police. Will they?
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * But is there a party somewhere in all of that? SR > On 06/08/2020 4:29 PM Louis Proyect via Marxism < > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu mailto:marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu > wrote: > > > Over the next decade the class struggle will conceivably deepen to the > point where you will see genuine manifestations of dual power, not soup > kitchens but total control over entire neighborhoods like Harlem or maybe all > of NYC. In such cases, people will resort to armed self-defense. I know all > thissounds far-fetched but who would have thought 2 years ago that we'd have > higher unemployment than in the Great Depression with massivemobilizations > against capitalist misrule over another black person being murdered by the > cops? This was our version of the Tunisian fruit vendorself-immolating. > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/srobin21%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Tom Sugrue on 1968 vs 2020 (from FB)
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The differences Sugrue notes may not be universal. In Oakland, plenty of Mom and Pop businesses had their windows smashed, for instance. True, the big box stores of Emeryville were pillaged but there were no protests nearby. Either the Oakland protesters went out of their way to grab TVs out of the Best Buy in Emeryville, which seems highly unlikely or the looters in Emeryville were a different set of people than those protesting in Oakland. SR. > On June 1, 2020 at 4:58 AM Louis Proyect via Marxism < > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu mailto:marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu > wrote: > > > > While protestors in both periods broke into stores and burned buildings. > But most 60s looting and burning happened in African American > neighborhoods. “Mom and pop” businesses, including black-owned stores in > many cities, were targets, not national chains. > > 60s rebels were much less likely to loot and burn central business > districts, malls, and stores with a predominantly white clientele than > today. > > Examples: Philadelphia 1964: North Philly, Columbia Avenue and North > Broad. Philadelphia 2020: Center City, Chestnut and Walnut Streets near > Rittenhouse Square. Los Angeles 1965: Watts. Los Angeles 2020: Melrose, > the Grove Mall, even Rodeo Drive. > > Why the shift? We will need more research for a definitive answer, but I > have a few hypotheses. > > https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/srobin21%40comcast.net > > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Trump's back to work dreams are a coronavirus nightmare. Good thing he can't enforce them.
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[Marxism] ‘I Have Bills I Have to Pay.’ Low-Wage Workers Face Brunt of Coronavirus Crisis
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * [Behind a paywall, so I am sending the text of the entire article. SR] ‘I Have Bills I Have to Pay.’ Low-Wage Workers Face Brunt of Coronavirus Crisis Their jobs often require personal contact, such as running a cash register or cleaning hotel rooms, and are the most vulnerable to the employment and pay cuts cascading through the economy By Eric Morath and Rachel Feintzeig/Wall Street Journal/ March 20, 2020 As coronavirus shutdowns halt commerce across the U.S., low-wage workers, many of whom live paycheck to paycheck, are being quickly stung. The affected jobs, by their nature, often require broad personal contact, such as running a cash register or cleaning hotel rooms. That substantially raises the risk of infection. Many such workers also hold positions most vulnerable to quick job cuts and pay cuts, especially in service industries. That includes restaurant workers, hotel maids, dog walkers and child-care providers. In many cases, the cuts are tied to shutdowns and cancellations of events in sports stadiums, industry conventions, casinos, music festivals and other public gatherings. The group encompasses many workers who were late beneficiaries of the surge in hiring as the labor market tightened in recent years—including members of minority groups or people with less education and skills—during one of the longest and most lucrative growth phases in U.S. history. Malls, restaurants and hotels have closed in many areas of the country. Already, the number of Americans seeking unemployment benefits—a proxy for layoffs—increased last week by 70,000 from the previous week, with states telling the Labor Department the cause was the pandemic. Economists predict a much bigger surge when numbers are released for this week, with Goldman Sachs Economics Research estimating roughly 2.25 million new claims for jobless benefits. More than 90% of the announced U.S. job cuts tied to the coronavirus were at restaurants and other entertainment and leisure businesses, according to outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas. For many who retain their jobs, tips and commissions have evaporated. Working at home isn’t an option, nor is sick pay. “I don’t want to leave the job because it’s my financial stability,” said Chandler Schaffer, who is 23 years old and earns $10.50 an hour working at a pawnshop in South Carolina. For now, he is continuing to work even though he has diabetes and is terrified of being infected by the virus. “Right now it’s a very big pit of uncertainty with everything,” he said. Line cook Che Janezich, 35, has watched the crowds thin and her hours dwindle at Omega Ouzeri, the Greek restaurant where she works in Seattle, making $21 an hour, or about $3,000 a month. Now that the city has shut down restaurants except for takeout service, Ms. Janezich said Thursday that her hours, which went from 45 a week to 25 recently, were cut again to about 11 a week. She has already tapped her savings to pay rent this month. “I walk down the street and see homeless people every single day. I’ve always known I’m a paycheck or two away from that,” she said. “But now it seems even more real, which is scary.” She said the only places hiring in the area now are the Amazon.com warehouse or grocery stores, which she said feels like a step backward. “It’s like that cliché of you don’t know how good you have it until it’s gone,” she said. There are more than 34 million people in this pool of the most vulnerable workers, or about a quarter of the private workforce. About half this group were employed in services jobs in the hospitality industry, where occupations earn less than the overall median pay for all U.S. workers of $18.58. The median wage for a restaurant job is $11.09 an hour. The other half come from retail, personal and maintenance service jobs—many of which start at the minimum wage, as low as $7.25 an hour, depending on the state. Despite an economic expansion that brought with it a 50-year low in unemployment, many American households remain a paycheck away from financial stress. Almost 40% of Americans don’t have enough cash on hand to cover an unexpected $400 expense, a 2019 Federal Reserve survey concluded. The virus relief bill passed by Congress this week expands unemployment insurance and provides more money for food stamps, aiming to provide an initial safety net as layoffs increase. The bill also requires businesses with fewer than 500 employees provide two weeks of paid leave in certain circumstances, with an additional 10 weeks of leave at two-thirds pay for workers to care for children when
Re: [Marxism] What some hospital workers are saying
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * As far as UHW-W is concerned, what you have described is in large part attributable to the after effects of the takeover of that local union by the national SEIU leadership almost ten years ago now. Before that time, there was a rather strong steward network - especially at Kaiser but in other hospitals as well. Those stewards had a pretty good practice of keeping their members informed and activated. The takeover swept away much of that network, although I know that a handful remain in various places and are still doing their best, notwithstanding problems with the local union's problematic leadership. The national leadership wanted to replace the stewards with call in centers. I wonder if that has been implemented. Still, what you describe is troubling given that healthcare is supposed to be one of the strongest sectors of the labor movement right now. SR > On March 18, 2020 at 4:37 PM John Reimann via Marxism > wrote: > > No, these were workers at Summit Hospital. I think United Healthcare > Workers - part of SEIU - although I've heard similar complaints about UPTE, > as I have about ALL the unions ( _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Sanders's "turnout" strategy not working
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * You are right that Nader was never officially a member of the Greens, but he worked closely with them going back to at least the mid 1990s.. Regarding the cautionary note, leaving aside the weaknesses of the organization itself, I understand that Hawkins has competition for the Green Party Presidential nomination. How serious is that? I saw some grumbling months ago from a Green Party supporter about Hawkins' position on Syria. Is that REALLY an issue? SR > On February 25, 2020 at 4:21 PM Dayne Goodwin wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 11:53 AM STEVEN ROBINSON via Marxism < > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu mailto:marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu > wrote: > > > > . . . It may well turn out to be the biggest opening the Greens > have had since Nader left the GP in 2004. SR > > > > > > In case you or a reader don't know, Steven, Nader was never a member of > the Green Party; Nader let the Green Party run him as a candidate. After > Nader's relative success in the 2000 presidential election, the Democrat > Party establishment successfully pressured Green Party leadership not to run > Nader again (Nader was willing to be the Green Party presidential candidate > again in 2004). > > > > > > > > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Sanders's "turnout" strategy not working
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * A substantial portion of Sanders supporters in 2016 did not vote for Clinton, basically abstaining. A fact the Democrat leadership frequently trumpets. If - as I believe - Sanders is again cheated, the anger of the supporters will likely be even greater than it was back in 2016 and it was intense then (still is). Seems this would give an opening for the Green Party, to urge those supporters to support and vote for Hawkins. Given the inevitable fury of the Sanders movement at being cheated, I think we would find a most receptive audience. It may well turn out to be the biggest opening the Greens have had since Nader left the GP in 2004. SR > On February 25, 2020 at 10:34 AM Dennis Brasky via Marxism > If Bernie is cheated out of the nomination as was the case in 2016 and > declares his independence from the Dems and runs a third party campaign, I > would do whatever I could to support it. If he repeats his surrender of > four years ago, we need to get behind the candidacy of Howie Hawkins of the > Green Party. > > > > > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Mailman privacy alert
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I thought I was unsubbed from Marxmail because, except for one email early in the day, I got none of the posts from yesterday or early today. So I resubbed and got the message below. Some weeks ago I got a bounce warning threatening me with being unsubbed unless I responded, which I did. Everything went well until yesterday. Evidently there is some sort of problem but don't know whether it is at your end or mine as I don't seem to be having similar problems with my yahoo or io groups. Anyway, if there is something you can do to help, I would appreciate it. SR > -- Original Message -- > From: marxism-boun...@lists.csbs.utah.edu > To: srobi...@comcast.net > Date: February 25, 2020 at 8:48 AM > Subject: Mailman privacy alert > > An attempt was made to subscribe your address to the mailing list > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu. You are already subscribed to this mailing list. > > Note that the list membership is not public, so it is possible that a bad > person was trying to probe the list for its membership. This would be a > privacy violation if we let them do this, but we didn't. > > If you submitted the subscription request and forgot that you were already > subscribed to the list, then you can ignore this message. If you suspect that > an attempt is being made to covertly discover whether you are a member of this > list, and you are worried about your privacy, then feel free to send a message > to the list administrator at marxism-ow...@lists.csbs.utah.edu. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] An Open Letter to the Green Party About 2020 Election Strategy
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The role of David Cobb in the Stein campaign was troubling to me, although I voted the Green ticket anyway. The lack of [Democrat] Party loyalty of the Sanders base may be the motivating factor of the "Open Letter." See this: https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-poll-warren-biden-2020-nominee-emerson-college-1483831 SR > On January 24, 2020 at 9:06 AM John Reimann via Marxism > wrote: nt. > > In 2016 I voted for the Green Party candidate for president. That was a > mistake. First of all because at that time I did not see the importance of > their VP candidate's support for Assad. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Katie Hill: White Supremacist?
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Granted it could have been a youthful indiscretion but why not say so or, better yet, have it removed? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7609835/Katie-Hill-seen-showing-Nazi-era-tattoo-smoking-BONG-NAKED.html?fbclid=IwAR0jNyYJF4x2BeYMKQxmG5q6CCCqotfJM6sRtkyC0gKlZrY94qJGmL1wZVI _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Happy anniversary
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * As do I. Marxmail is a tremendous resource. It is simply amazing that it has survived for two decades. SR > On May 1, 2019 at 3:44 PM Gary MacLennan via Marxism > wrote: > totally endorse this. > > comradely > > Gary _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The ISO’s vote to dissolve and what comes next | SocialistWorker.org
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * longstanding leaders have been slandered and vilified > without being able to defend themselves. *** The accusations against the old ISO leadership seem to be founded upon procedural irregularities in handling an investigation of rape, culminating in the suppression of the findings of a fact finding committee. Either that happened or it didn't. The resignation letter completely evades the issue, which is telling. If there was an explanation for the action then ordinarily in such instances it would be forthcoming. The failure in process or of a particular leadership to follow process does not, from my point of view as an outsider, seem to warrant the political conclusions that have led to the dissolution of an entire organization. Could they not have simply chosen new leadership and established new rules? SR _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The ISO’s vote to dissolve and what comes next | SocialistWorker.org
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * An independent disciplinary committee at the time came to the conclusion that an ISO member had clearly violated the organization’s code of conduct and should be expelled, but the 2013 Steering Committee interfered with the committee’s work, overturned its decision and effectively silenced anyone who dissented from the course it chose. *** Just an aside, but I am curious. What if anything does the old leadership clique say in defense of its actions? That group, Sharon Smith et al, are quite verbose on all manner of subjects so one would expect them to publish something somewhere defending their actions. SR _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Benjamin and Kolhatkar support Rouhani
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The way the Shah, Muhammed Reza Pahlavi, got into power in the first place is not all that different than how he returned to power after Mossadegh was overthrown. His father, Reza Pahlavi, was Shah at the start of World War II. Evidently he sought to keep Iran neutral and the Brits arranged his ouster, spiriting him away to exile in Egypt and placing his young son on the throne. I don't know whether the Soviets participated in that coup but Soviet troops did occupy parts of Northern Iran during World War II, withdrawing in 1946. SR > On February 15, 2019 at 11:23 AM "A.R. G via Marxism" > wrote: > > My understanding was that the Shah was in power and Mossadegh essentially > shifted the power balance in favor of the Majlis/Parliament, which is what > triggered the CIA coup and the return of the Shah to full-on dictatorship. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Venezuela Military Backs Maduro, as Russia Warns U.S. Not to Intervene
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Still, it seems that Mr. Guaidó MUST have some backing in the military, police or other coercive apparatus. Because in most places, somebody who has just done what Guaido did would either be arrested, in hiding or would have fled the country. SR _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Red Oklahoma
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Let us hope so. A little remembered fact is that decades before the New Deal, Oklahoma established a program for monthly payments for the elderly and the "needy," presumably meaning the disabled. http://www.okhistory.org/publications/enc/entry.php?entry=OL001 -Original Message- A century ago, Oklahoma had the strongest socialist movement in the US. Today, there are signs it's being reborn. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Federal judge in Seattle puts nationwide halt to Trump’s immigration order | The Seattle Times
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * A big victory, which must be savored no matter how transitory it may be. Trump lashes out at judge as travel ban is put on ice http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-travel-ban-legal-win-234634 _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
