date:20050905

The best color is Sony followed by Panasonic . hope you are looking 
at HD, if not it's a wast of money  HD 1080i format will show 
quality just under a 16 mm movie camera with color like Star War and 
beyond . enough to display a trillion colors 


http://www.camcorderinfo.com   is a good place to start pay close 
attention to the color bar test .and see the color difference 
between each model poor color will look like your non-HD tv of today 
..


Bill
1981 300 TD




Gerald R. Flintrop wrote:


Luther,

I've been lusting after the Samsung Duo-Cam, for several reasons. Best
street price I've found is around $479.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1682930,00.asp 


Jerry   Ö¿Ö
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 11:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes mailing list
Subject: [MBZ] OT-video camera

I'm in the market for a good digital video camera.  I don't want to break  
a budget, but would like a good quality camera, reliable, still shot  
feature, firewire output.  What are good brands/models to look at?  TIA  
all.

Re: [MBZ] Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.


Craig McCluskey wrote:


Sorry, Marshall, you did lose a decimal point.


0.05 mm ~= 0.002"

   0.014 mm ~= 0.00055"


Nevertheless, the point about being well beyond spec is well taken.


I was ALMOST sure I missed a decimal point, but even with that - what 
was measured was 3X worse than Mercedes allows!


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting

2005-09-05 Thread thargrav

They are.

Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com

Quoting Alan Duff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> From: "David Brodbeck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > The New Orleans Times-Picayune has published an open letter to the 
> > President:
> 
> You Bush haters are a sad, bitter lot.
> 
> Alan Duff
> Knoxville, TN 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 3 Cly. 240D

Marshall,
Great to hear from you. You first replied to my messages before I bought this
car. I found the MBZ list when I was looking for a MB Diesel.  I have now had
this car for almost 5 years and almost 80K miles. I am now at a point where the
car needs much attention before it continues on with the 500K miles I am told it
will go.
I adjusted the valves about 5,000 miles ago, I will start by checking them. I
will also start spraying the injectors and lines with PB blaster and check
them next.  I need to get a socket or official MB tool to remove the injectors,
which do I need to get?
Thank you for your help,
John Ingram
83 240D 235K

>>>
You say the valves are "adjusted." Adjusting valves days or weeks ago
doesn't insure proper operation. You REALLY need to examine the valves
NOW to insure that there is sufficient valve clearance. Any time after
the valves are adjusted, valve adjustment can change - it usually
doesn't happen quickly, but it can.

I don't expect that valves are the major factor though. I think it's
MUCH more likely to be fuel delivery. Probably either an injector or
delivery valve problem. Easiest check is to isolate which cylinder and
exchange THAT injector with another and see if the problem moves with
the injector or remains (suggesting a delivery valve).

Marshall

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Re: [MBZ] Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 13:54:51 -0400 Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> The deviation from circular can not be more than 0.05 mm - that's 
> 0.0002" (unless I lost a decimal point somewhere). For a new or rebored 
> block the limit is between none to 0.014mm.


Sorry, Marshall, you did lose a decimal point.


0.05 mm ~= 0.002"

   0.014 mm ~= 0.00055"


Nevertheless, the point about being well beyond spec is well taken.



Craig

Re: [MBZ] 3 Cyl. 240D


its a 27mm deep socket

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


<

Have you checked the compression on the offending cylinder?  Swapped
injectors around?>>

Kaleb-
No,  What size socket do I need to remove the injecter?
and No.I don't have a Diesel compression tester.

How much would a matched set of new or rebuilt injecters cost?

Thanks,
John Ingram


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Re: [MBZ] 3 Cyl. 240D

<

Have you checked the compression on the offending cylinder?  Swapped
injectors around?>>

Kaleb-
No,  What size socket do I need to remove the injecter?
and No.I don't have a Diesel compression tester.

How much would a matched set of new or rebuilt injecters cost?

Thanks,
John Ingram

Re: [MBZ] 3 Cyl. 240D

Mac-
Here are some answers:
<>

<>
It seems to run on all 4 cylinders at driving speed. Up until the time it
started running on 3 cylinders it was an intermittent problem.

<>
No, car has 235K.

<>
Gradually, the "Italian Tune-up" seemed to clear it up at first. It gradually
got worse and worse.

(Mac
Aylmer, Quebec
'60 220s / '82 240d (x2!!) / .5 of an '83 300sd
'75 Volvo 164e )

Thank you,
John Ingram
83 240D 235K

Re: [MBZ] a question for LT don and other 240D drivers

I drove my wrecked 72 220D stick up and down the street today.  Hell, if 
it wasnt for the rust I would put a new hood and grille on that thing 
and keep it.


redghost wrote:


1972 w115  om615  manual  no p/s a/c p/w pdl

33mpg


On Monday, September 5, 2005, at 12:47 AM, David Brodbeck wrote:



Vernon Ritchey wrote:

My 300SD turbo gets 25 mpg my 300TD NA gets 20.  Very repeatable.  
Mixed

driving.


I get 29-30 mpg highway in my 300D Turbo.  Mixed driving yields more
like 26.  You should probably discount those figures by about 5%, based
on my estimate of the odometer error in my car.

David Brodbeck
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[MBZ] why do I have to pour gas down my carbs to get my 250 to start?

Got a 69 250 and have not messed with it too much since I have had it. 
Used to start it very once in a while and it would usually fire right 
up.  Then it got to where you had to pump the hell out of the pedal then 
crank it and it would start.  Now you have to pour a little gas down the 
carbs a couple of times then it will start and run.  Shut if off and try 
to restart right away and no start.  Dont know a thing about carbs but 
anybody have any idea what the problem could be?  Need to see about a 
procedure for going thru and setting the carbs  up correct.  For all I 
know they might need to be rebuilt.

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Re: [MBZ] 240d park/neutral interlock question

thats no joke.  I just got done mowing my back yard that was neck high 
because I put off mowing it for so long.  The reason being of course is 
that I have to move about a dozen cars around when I go to mow the back 
yard.


Steve MacSween wrote:


Watch it. Our list owner is I believe the acknowledged King Procrastinatius
of Mercedes Land.

mac

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Re: [MBZ] A VERY serious topic

2005-09-05 Thread BenzBarn

Where do you live?

>From what you tell us, anyone is in peril if they live in the USA.  It's
what you've been told for the past few years? Terrorists, right?

  Never mind civil unrest, tornadoes, hurricanes, wild fires, mud slides,
earth quakes, floods, blizzards, ice storms, drought, too much rain, riots
or any other natural/ man made disaster - you now have all levels of
government to fear. And I don't mean foreign governments either. If your own
people, that you put in place to save your own stupid sorry asses, can't
handle any of the above in a timely and responsible fashion you ARE in
peril.

Whether you love Bush or hate him he's managed to do one thing no other
President in the history of the US has ever managed to do

Re: [MBZ] Good News and mixed messages

2005-09-05 Thread JFreezn

 
In a message dated 9/5/2005 10:19:33 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I took a little trip this past  week putting about 900 miles on my 90 300D 
2.5. My mileage was great!  I  got 35.5 mpg on one tank.  Each time I filled up 
it was over 32.   HOWEVER,  I was climbing a very steep hill and kept my foot 
in it trying  to climb the hill at about 70-75.  It downshifted and 
accelerated up the  hill (what a car!) but then suddenly I heard something and 
I smelled 
diesel  through the vents all of a sudden. The smell went away as quickly as 
it came.  But, the next time I had to stop and idle at a light the car was 
running a  little rough.  I could really feel the engine.  The feeling was very 
 
similar to when I had a bad motor mount in my previous 123.  I checked  
everything out (that I could just look at) and went on my journey.  The  car 
continued to perform wonderfully at any speed faster than  idle-5mph.   My 
mileage 
remained over 32.  When I got home  yesterday, I changed the fuel filters 
(probably needed to be done  anyway).  It seemed to improve, but the idle is 
still 
rougher than  before.  


Donald,
 
I think a large chunk of built up carbon departed one of the  cylinders.  You 
can feel it when it is pulverized by the piston and you can  smell it. Had 
you been looking in the rear view mirror, you would have seen a  large cloud of 
black carbon smoke.  You just did at least part of an  "Italian Tune Up"!
A small piece of carbon is probably blocking one of the  valves from seating 
cleanly, and this is causing the uneven idle. It should go  away by itself in 
a few days.  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 261 K miles 
98 ML 320, 137 K  miles

Re: [MBZ] A VERY serious topic

And a few are being saved.  The ones that really want to leave will go, 
the ones too pig headed to abandon NOLA will remain no matter how many 
pretty white folk knock on the door and tell them to go.  A month from 
now the clean up crews will find dead people who were alive just a week 
before, but refused to leave.


IIRC, NOLA was a cesspool swamp before it was a city.  It is just 
reverting to what nature had planned for it and some fool decided he 
was smarter than mother nature.  Build a city by a volcano, better not 
be surprised if you get buried in ash.  Build under water in a river 
delta, same results.  Put  your house in a flood plain, expect to get 
wet.  Build in a dry woodland area, going to catch fire.  Go to war, 
expect soldiers to die.  This stuff is not rocket science!   Common 
sense tells you to not do some things, if you chose to ignore the 
facts, you pay the price.  If you are dumb enough to go to Vegas, 
expect to lose your shirt, but do not dare snivel to me about how I 
should bail your silly ass out for your own stupid gamble that you may 
not lose it all.



From having gone through a hurricane Charley, I can tell  you that it 
may be a fun ride, but it is a heck of a bunch smarter to get the hell 
out while  you still can


On Monday, September 5, 2005, at 01:12 PM, BenzBarn wrote:


Gee, why don't you tell us how you really feel?

 The fact is, there are a lot of people who are dead, dying or soon to 
die.

While everyone points fingers the rest of us are high and dry with full
bellies. Are you saying we should just let them all rot in a cesspool 
that

used to be a city?

Surely a few might be worth saving



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Re: [MBZ] 240d park/neutral interlock question


Oh, Mike must be an honorary citizen of NOLA

On Monday, September 5, 2005, at 07:49 AM, Mike Canfield wrote:


Mac,
  I have crowned myself group leader for procrastinators 
anonymous.Never

do today what you can put off till tomorrow.LOLOL, Mike



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Re: [MBZ] a question for LT don and other 240D drivers


1972 w115  om615  manual  no p/s a/c p/w pdl

33mpg


On Monday, September 5, 2005, at 12:47 AM, David Brodbeck wrote:


Vernon Ritchey wrote:
My 300SD turbo gets 25 mpg my 300TD NA gets 20.  Very repeatable.  
Mixed

driving.


I get 29-30 mpg highway in my 300D Turbo.  Mixed driving yields more
like 26.  You should probably discount those figures by about 5%, based
on my estimate of the odometer error in my car.

David Brodbeck
'83 300D Turbo

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Re: [MBZ] A VERY serious topic

2005-09-05 Thread BenzBarn

Gee, why don't you tell us how you really feel?

 The fact is, there are a lot of people who are dead, dying or soon to die.
While everyone points fingers the rest of us are high and dry with full
bellies. Are you saying we should just let them all rot in a cesspool that
used to be a city?

Surely a few might be worth saving

Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting

Lack of action by people told to evacuate is not going to sway me into 
thinking that George Bush  would have swooped in and saved the 
stragglers in WTC, victims of tornados, hurricanes, wild fires, 
political unrest, or NOLA looting.  At some point these people become 
sad but acceptable casualties.  Stuff happens, people die, it is sad.  
Do the next load of people learn from the failure to survive of the 
last bunch?  Got me on that one.


And under the who was in office theory of blame for tragic events, the 
Shuttle disasters are the doing of republicans, Atomic attacks on urban 
areas are democrat caused, the riots in Watts and across the nation as 
well as the deaths of college kids in 1968 is the fault of democrats.   
The Berlin Wall is Kennedy's fault?  The Iran Hostage crisis was caused 
by Jimmy Carter?  Democrat governors in Kalifornia cause earthquakes 
and wild fires?


Next you will tell me Bush is Great because we get the new CDI, while 
Clinton was horrid for allowing the rod benders to be sold, and forced 
DCB to no longer sell diesel cars.


On Sunday, September 4, 2005, at 05:33 PM, Bill Gallagher wrote:


People stayed in the second world trade tower, even though they were
told to evacuate., look what happen to them .why don't you
complain about their actions
What rocks me after reading 254 pages of the 911 commission report
and read the news about NO, they still don't get it, they did not get 
it

right, and looking for whom to blame  . history repeats itself and
it's done so soon We have two great tragic events in US History
under the same leadership .. focus on that


Bill
1981 300 TD


David Brodbeck wrote:


redghost wrote:



The federal government is there to protect its citizens and to render
aid as best it can.  The MANDATORY evacuation was given, which should
have been heeded and would have reduced casualties had the laggards
followed it.   Bush is not able to stop Category 4 hurricanes in 
their

path, nor able to swoop down and rescue trapped home owners or
hospitalized people personally.  Those are not his job.




So how WERE the hospitalized people supposed to follow the evacuation
order, without government help?  I'm floored by the argument that 
those
people somehow made a choice to stay because they felt like ignoring 
the

evacuation order.

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You understand a small portion of the big problem size of it beyond
the resources of the locals . National and International aid is
needed . Thing big time disaster . the red flag are flying
strong and bright . 140 mph winds, waves 20 to 30 feet high, force
equal to about 25 atomic bombs approaching the gulf coast.. Get it

Bill

Harry M. wrote:

I'm sure this will be one event to go down in history where there is alot of so called "finger pointing" They knew what would happen if they stayed there and failed to listen. Now they blame the government for not acting when they were in desperate need of help. The true blame should be on their own local and state law enforcement agencies for not responding to this disaster and making sure there was a proper evac plan to get the citizens out. Same situation in Florida and those people were smart enough to know what get the hell out means.

Bill Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

People stayed in the second world trade tower, even though they were
told to evacuate., look what happen to them .why don't you
complain about their actions
What rocks me after reading 254 pages of the 911 commission report
and read the news about NO, they still don't get it, they did not get it
right, and looking for whom to blame . history repeats itself and
it's done so soon We have two great tragic events in US History
under the same leadership .. focus on that

Bill
1981 300 TD

David Brodbeck wrote:

redghost wrote:

The federal government is there to protect its citizens and to render
aid as best it can. The MANDATORY evacuation was given, which should
have been heeded and would have reduced casualties had the laggards
followed it. Bush is not able to stop Category 4 hurricanes in their
path, nor able to swoop down and rescue trapped home owners or
hospitalized people personally. Those are not his job.

So how WERE the hospitalized people supposed to follow the evacuation
order, without government help? I'm floored by the argument that those
people somehow made a choice to stay because they felt like ignoring the
evacuation order.

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Re: [MBZ] A VERY serious topic

And if you are really a smart terrorist, willing to give your life, you 
get a SAM and take out planes in a coordinated effort worldwide.  I am 
sure 20 hadjis could find a way to secure stingers and scope out the 
best places to shoot down commercial jets simultaneously.


On Sunday, September 4, 2005, at 02:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think those who could possibly be terrorists should be searched. Do 
you really think Teddy Kennedy, one of the most recognizable 
politicians in the US should be delayed because his name is on "the 
list"? An 18 month old not only was searched but kept from boarding 
the plane because his name matched. Has any country, anwhere in the 
world had an 80 year old woman carrying a bomb?

 
The answer is no. The suicide bombers in Isreal, Iraq, Ireland, Spain, 
US, and everywhere else are late teen to early 30's men, and 
occasionally women. Those are the bombers. Those are the people who 
fit the profiles. Those are the people we should suspect. And yes, 
sometimes you are suspected of being guilty until proven innocent. 
Happens every day in our court system. People are accused, detained 
and not innocent until the jury says so.

 
Profiling works very very well in many places. Virtually every 
terrorist expert believes that profiling is necessary. That's exactly 
what they do in old town Jerusalem. That's what they're doing in 
Britain. The key is, you don't tell everybody what you're looking for. 
When every oposing politician is demanding that you tell every move 
you're going to make to the whole world, it doesn't work. When the 
police are allowed to keep their secrets, then they stop many events.

 
If cockpit doors are the answer, and they have been installed, then 
why are we still searching people? And who, who on earth thought that 
they would fly the planes into the buildings? Hijack the planes? 
Maybe. But nobody seriously thought they'd fly them into buildings.

 
Ken


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Re: [MBZ] A VERY serious topic

Helpless urban poor kept from having a stake in keeping the world a 
sane place.


On Sunday, September 4, 2005, at 02:14 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

well you have to take into account the type of people that were 
involved

in the first place.

redghost wrote:


I noticed that lack of community cohesion as well.  While in FL last
summer for Charlie, though there was a huge contingent of tourist, the
locals did band together to assist others.  NOLA folks just had no 
idea

how to be a society and waited like rabid animals for somebody to save
their bacon.  Not even bothering to lift a finger to aid others, just
sat like steaming piles of s**t and waited for their hand out.  Is 
this

the effect of too much welfare given to the poverty stricken?  Have we
taught them to not do an honest days labor or to assist the rest of
society when needed?

Upon occasion I entertain thoughts of catastrophic collapse of 
society,

and always had put the scavengers (street people) in the equations as
survivors, since they knew how to subsist on so little.  I seem to 
have

bypassed the response of the welfare scum, and that they would have so
little grasp on civilization that once the veneer were pierced, they
would revert to animals without the calming effect of a 40oz, cable TV
and Rock cocaine.

Just my $0.02






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Re: [MBZ] A VERY serious topic

Why think for yourself if you are putting your fate in the hands of the 
person handing you a welfare check?  The urban poor work on gaming the 
system, not in assisting the world to be a better place.  They have no 
motivation to get off the lam.  The welfare will drive them to 
appointments, give them food, school the kids, and keep them from 
having to have a personal stake in the world.  What have these people 
done they can look back on with pride?  Smoked crack and got $0.80 on 
the dollar for trading in foodstamps?  Scammed medicare?  Been part of 
gang violence and vandalism to go along with the looting?  Maybe he 
scored big by having babies with women he never will see again, 
survived prison, shot some kid for his shoes and iPod?


On Sunday, September 4, 2005, at 02:01 PM, David Brodbeck wrote:


redghost wrote:

I noticed that lack of community cohesion as well.  While in FL last
summer for Charlie, though there was a huge contingent of tourist, the
locals did band together to assist others.  NOLA folks just had no 
idea

how to be a society and waited like rabid animals for somebody to save
their bacon.  Not even bothering to lift a finger to aid others, just
sat like steaming piles of s**t and waited for their hand out.  Is 
this

the effect of too much welfare given to the poverty stricken?


While I'm sure you'd like to lay this at the feet of that evil ol'
government, I see no reason to believe that Louisiana has a more active
welfare state than Florida.  There may be different cultural attitudes
in those two places, but I don't think it has anything to do with 
welfare.


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Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting

Sadly, they may be counted as expendable, since they are too difficult 
to remove within the short period allowed.  They also become the 
responsibility of the health care facilities.  Where was the evacuation 
plan the hospitals should have in place?  Around here we drilled for 
Y2K and had this issue pretty much resolved.  I suspect there is even a 
plan in place for dealing with earthquakes.  Not that the democrats can 
be trusted to use it.


On Sunday, September 4, 2005, at 01:57 PM, David Brodbeck wrote:


redghost wrote:

The federal government is there to protect its citizens and to render
aid as best it can.  The MANDATORY evacuation was given, which should
have been heeded and would have reduced casualties had the laggards
followed it.   Bush is not able to stop Category 4 hurricanes in their
path, nor able to swoop down and rescue trapped home owners or
hospitalized people personally.  Those are not his job.


So how WERE the hospitalized people supposed to follow the evacuation
order, without government help?  I'm floored by the argument that those
people somehow made a choice to stay because they felt like ignoring 
the

evacuation order.

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Re: [MBZ] 3 Cyl. 240D


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

My 83 240D (235K) after idling poorly for a month is now running on 3 cylinders.
 Before an "Italian Tune-up" would help the problem has continued and was
intermittent until now.
Valves are adjusted, filters 3 months old, primer pump replaced, fuel additives
used.  I suspect the fuel injectors or (I hope not) the fuel distributer pump.
Do fuel injectors ever fail completely? is 235K near the limit?  Any other
thoughts as to what it could be?
Thank you, (I am new to this list but am from the old diesel MBZ list)


You say the valves are "adjusted." Adjusting valves days or weeks ago 
doesn't insure proper operation. You REALLY need to examine the valves 
NOW to insure that there is sufficient valve clearance. Any time after 
the valves are adjusted, valve adjustment can change - it usually 
doesn't happen quickly, but it can.


I don't expect that valves are the major factor though. I think it's 
MUCH more likely to be fuel delivery. Probably either an injector or 
delivery valve problem. Easiest check is to isolate which cylinder and 
exchange THAT injector with another and see if the problem moves with 
the injector or remains (suggesting a delivery valve).


Marshall

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Re: [MBZ] this is cool


I was thinking of having a small propane tank

On Sunday, September 4, 2005, at 01:30 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:

On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:17:45 -0700 redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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http://makeashorterlink.com/?N2A253ABB

I am sure putting this on Gump will get me the babes


Especially since it won't work on a diesel.


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Re: [MBZ] old benzes was Re: Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.

2005-09-05 Thread tom savage


JabbaHursty wrote:
but new benzes have new bosch, which makes old lucas look like the 
paradigm of reliability


I thought they switched to Siemens with the w203 and beyond?

Tom

Re: [MBZ] old benzes was Re: Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.

2005-09-05 Thread Sunil Hari

My 74 240D had Lucas foglights from the factory.

On 9/5/05, JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> but new benzes have new bosch, which makes old lucas look like the 
> paradigm of reliability
> 
> 
> At 01:14 PM 9/5/2005, you wrote:
> 
> Huh? old Benzes don't have Lucas (i.e. Prince of Darkness) electrics...
> Rick Knoble
> 1985 300 CD
>  - Original Message - 
> From: JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 12:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.
> 
> as i have said many times before, in ten years, old benz owners will be 
> looked at the same way we looked at jaguar owners. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT-video camera

2005-09-05 Thread Gerald R. Flintrop

Luther,

I've been lusting after the Samsung Duo-Cam, for several reasons. Best
street price I've found is around $479.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1682930,00.asp 

Jerry   Ö¿Ö
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Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 11:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes mailing list
Subject: [MBZ] OT-video camera

I'm in the market for a good digital video camera.  I don't want to break  
a budget, but would like a good quality camera, reliable, still shot  
feature, firewire output.  What are good brands/models to look at?  TIA  
all.

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[MBZ] OT-video camera

2005-09-05 Thread Luther Gulseth

I'm in the market for a good digital video camera.  I don't want to break  
a budget, but would like a good quality camera, reliable, still shot  
feature, firewire output.  What are good brands/models to look at?  TIA  
all.


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Re: [MBZ] a question for LT don and other 240D drivers

2005-09-05 Thread stevebailey3373

I am averaging about 23 MPG. I record every fill-up and the MPG. 108000 miles, 
everything in good condition, Trans has Synthetic oil, oil changed every 2500 
to 3000 miles, automatic 1983 240D. I do live in East TN so there are 
hills/little mountains everywhere. I also drive as fast as it will let me.

Steve

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>
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>>
>> What kind of fuel mileage are you getting with your cars? What about
>> stick drivers?
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Re: [MBZ] Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.


dave walton wrote:

Yes, it's apart. I love the car, but hate the engine.
I originally removed the head because of wicked oil burning that turned 
out to be caused by a blown head gasket. The #1 cylinder was not coming 
up as much as the others, so I pulled the engine. The #1 connecting rod 
is bent, but the cylinders are not ovaled much. All are within .006" of 
round. The #1 cylinder is indeed the most ovaled, but the original 
honing marks are still visible all around the cylinder wall, so I'm 
going to live with it and hope for the best.


I just got a digital caliper and remeasured everything. The #1 rod is 
0.36mm shorter than the new one. It is also slightly bent to the side 
and ever so slightly twisted. The opening for the bottom bearing has 
enlarged 0.07mm horizontally and 0.02mm vertically.


The deviation from circular can not be more than 0.05 mm - that's 
0.0002" (unless I lost a decimal point somewhere). For a new or rebored 
block the limit is between none to 0.014mm.


Your measured deviation of 0.006" from cylindrical is about 30 times 
greater than the worst case Mercedes permits. When you're all done you 
will have HIGH oil consumption with the cylinder profile that far off.


I've attached the workshop sheets for cylinder wall and you already have 
the conrod sheet.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting

2005-09-05 Thread Bucks2

It's just politics as usual. Let's see, we weren't prepared, we had a 
problem. Would it be the the Democrat City Mayor's problem? Would it be the 
Democrat 
Governor's problem? Or would it be the Republican Presidents problem? 

Go read the Mayors rant to the radio station. This is the guy who holed up 
with no telephones or other communication when the rest of the city government 
went to Baton Rouge. How much direction was he able to give? Then when asked if 
the governor had declared an emergency, as required to get Fed help, he 
didn't know. His excuse, they should have known. What a pitiful excuse for a 
mayor. 
Read the transcript of the interview. It's hard to tell if he's a street hood 
or a mayor. 

Could things have been different? should things have been different? Yes. Is 
it all the presidents fault? Hardly.

Ken

In a message dated 9/5/2005 10:02:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: "Alan Duff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting
To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

From: "David Brodbeck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> The New Orleans Times-Picayune has published an open letter to the 
> President:

You Bush haters are a sad, bitter lot.

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN

[MBZ] Good News and mixed messages

2005-09-05 Thread Donald Snook

I took a little trip this past week putting about 900 miles on my 90
300D 2.5. My mileage was great!  I got 35.5 mpg on one tank.  Each time
I filled up it was over 32.  HOWEVER,  I was climbing a very steep hill
and kept my foot in it trying to climb the hill at about 70-75.  It
downshifted and accelerated up the hill (what a car!) but then suddenly
I heard something and I smelled diesel through the vents all of a
sudden. The smell went away as quickly as it came. But, the next time I
had to stop and idle at a light the car was running a little rough.  I
could really feel the engine.  The feeling was very similar to when I
had a bad motor mount in my previous 123.  I checked everything out
(that I could just look at) and went on my journey.  The car continued
to perform wonderfully at any speed faster than idle-5mph.   My mileage
remained over 32.  When I got home yesterday, I changed the fuel filters
(probably needed to be done anyway).  It seemed to improve, but the idle
is still rougher than before.  

 

Any thoughts or suggestions?  

 

Donald H. Snook

Re: [MBZ] old benzes was Re: Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.

2005-09-05 Thread JabbaHursty

but new benzes have new bosch, which makes old lucas look like the 
paradigm of reliability



At 01:14 PM 9/5/2005, you wrote:

Huh? old Benzes don't have Lucas (i.e. Prince of Darkness) electrics...
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD
- Original Message -
From: JabbaHursty
To: Mercedes mailing list
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.

as i have said many times before, in ten years, old benz owners will 
be looked at the same way we looked at jaguar owners.



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[MBZ] old benzes was Re: Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.

2005-09-05 Thread Rick Knoble

Huh? old Benzes don't have Lucas (i.e. Prince of Darkness) electrics...
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD
  - Original Message - 
  From: JabbaHursty 
  To: Mercedes mailing list 
  Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 12:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.

  as i have said many times before, in ten years, old benz owners will be 
looked at the same way we looked at jaguar owners.

Re: [MBZ] Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.

2005-09-05 Thread JabbaHursty

as i have said many times before, in ten years, 
old benz owners will be looked at the same way we looked at jaguar owners.



At 11:58 AM 9/5/2005, you wrote:
I'd love to hear more details about the Mercedes 
rebuild procedures. It's the least they could do 
after dumping these piece of shit engines on us.
I've lost count of the number of people I've 
talked out of buying a mercedes. A friend just 
bought a maybach despite my warnings. It's spent 
more time in the shop than in his driveway.

No wonder their brand in on the decline in the US.

I would not say replacing all the rods is 
"cheap". Dealer price on a set with upper and lower bearings is > $1400.


Thanks

-Dave Walton


On 9/5/05, Rick Knoble 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If it's apart, I would change ALL the rods. I 
wouldn't call it "cheap insurance" , but it is 
insurance. The rest of the rods will bend 
eventually. I would also upgrade anything the 
factory changed on their replacement engines. I 
don't know what changes were made, but it is likely someone here does.

Just my 02¢
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD
- Original Message -
From: dave walton
To: Mercedes mailing list
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 5:34 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.

Yes, it's apart. I love the car, but hate the engine.
I originally removed the head because of wicked 
oil burning that turned out to be caused by a 
blown head gasket. The #1 cylinder was not 
coming up as much as the others, so I pulled the 
engine. The #1 connecting rod is bent, but the 
cylinders are not ovaled much. All are within 
.006" of round. The #1 cylinder is indeed the 
most ovaled, but the original honing marks are 
still visible all around the cylinder wall, so 
I'm going to live with it and hope for the best.


I just got a digital caliper and remeasured 
everything. The #1 rod is 0.36mm shorter than 
the new one. It is also slightly bent to the 
side and ever so slightly twisted. The opening 
for the bottom bearing has enlarged 0.07mm horizontally and 0.02mm vertically.


-Dave Walton


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Re: [MBZ] 240d park/neutral interlock question

Watch it. Our list owner is I believe the acknowledged King Procrastinatius
of Mercedes Land.

mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Mac,
> I have crowned myself group leader for procrastinators anonymous.Never
> do today what you can put off till tomorrow.LOLOL, Mike
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve MacSween" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240d park/neutral interlock question
> 
> 
>> Yeah, I pulled that trick on my old SD once. Of course it worked until one
>> Friday nite at 9 p.m. I then spent a long weekend having to fiddle for 10
>> minutes every time I had to restart it. Ah, to procrastinate, I know it
>> well!
>> 
>> Mac
>> 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>> I drove it for quite a while by pushing the shifter like I saw in another
>>> post and it finally got to the point where that just wasn't working
>>> anymore
>>> and I never got around to fixing it.  Mike
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Steve MacSween" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 9:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240d park/neutral interlock question
>>> 
>>> 
 Oh, and actually just for the record, etc.,  now that I think back you
 *did*
 mention that it needed shifter bushings at some point, but I did not
 realize
 you meant it was that bad (every Benz I have driven probably needed at
 least
 the big one replaced).
 
 Mac
 
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> Mac,
> The shifter bushings are bad and need to be replaced for the switch to
> work right.  Should be an easy fix for you.  Used to have to hold it
> forward
> to start it and then finally it wouldn't work at all.  Just rememberred
> thatSorry i forgot to mention that glitch.
>

Re: [MBZ] Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.

2005-09-05 Thread Rick Knoble

At that price, I'd be looking at prices for a factory replacement engine. I 
have been an avid reader/seldom poster on these lists for some time and the 
general consensus on the W140 chassis diesels is that they are wonderful cars, 
but you have to factor in the cost of a replacement engine into the cost of 
ownership. Period. Too bad you didn't join the list before your purchase. It 
may have saved you some grief.
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD

  I would not say replacing all the rods is "cheap". Dealer price on a set with 
upper and lower bearings is > $1400.

  Thanks

  -Dave Walton

Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting

2005-09-05 Thread Alan Duff


From: "David Brodbeck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The New Orleans Times-Picayune has published an open letter to the 
President:


You Bush haters are a sad, bitter lot.

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN

Re: [MBZ] Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.

2005-09-05 Thread dave walton

I'd love to hear more details about the Mercedes rebuild procedures. It's 
the least they could do after dumping these piece of shit engines on us.
I've lost count of the number of people I've talked out of buying a 
mercedes. A friend just bought a maybach despite my warnings. It's spent 
more time in the shop than in his driveway.
No wonder their brand in on the decline in the US.

I would not say replacing all the rods is "cheap". Dealer price on a set 
with upper and lower bearings is > $1400.

Thanks

-Dave Walton


On 9/5/05, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> If it's apart, I would change ALL the rods. I wouldn't call it "cheap 
> insurance" , but it is insurance. The rest of the rods will bend eventually. 
> I would also upgrade anything the factory changed on their replacement 
> engines. I don't know what changes were made, but it is likely someone here 
> does. 
> Just my 02¢
> Rick Knoble
> 1985 300 CD
> 
> - Original Message - 
> *From:* dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> *To:* Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> *Sent:* Monday, September 05, 2005 5:34 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.
> 
> Yes, it's apart. I love the car, but hate the engine.
> I originally removed the head because of wicked oil burning that turned 
> out to be caused by a blown head gasket. The #1 cylinder was not coming up 
> as much as the others, so I pulled the engine. The #1 connecting rod is 
> bent, but the cylinders are not ovaled much. All are within .006" of round. 
> The #1 cylinder is indeed the most ovaled, but the original honing marks are 
> still visible all around the cylinder wall, so I'm going to live with it and 
> hope for the best. 
> 
> I just got a digital caliper and remeasured everything. The #1 rod is 
> 0.36mm shorter than the new one. It is also slightly bent to the side and 
> ever so slightly twisted. The opening for the bottom bearing has enlarged 
> 0.07mm horizontally and 0.02mm vertically.
> 
> -Dave Walton
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Black Rubber Floor Mats for a 123

I think I have some in a euro car, but not sure if I want to sell them 
or not.  If I did, they wouldnt be cheap.


Theodore Lucas wrote:


Hi Group!
I am looking into purchasing a set of black rubber floor mats for my '81 
300D. The set I would like to have is a Mercedes original with the star 
logo but they are only available for the 124, 300D. I have seen the ads 
for Husky, WeatherGuard etc. but are generic fit and not custom cut for 
the 123 body. Can anyone chime in as to the brand, model that looks right?


Thanks in advance
Ted Lucas
1981 300D, 207K miles
1987 300D, 190K miles

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Re: [MBZ] Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.

2005-09-05 Thread Rick Knoble

If it's apart, I would change ALL the rods. I wouldn't call it "cheap 
insurance" , but it is insurance. The rest of the rods will bend eventually. I 
would also upgrade anything the factory changed on their replacement engines. I 
don't know what changes were made, but it is likely someone here does. 
Just my 02¢
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD
  - Original Message - 
  From: dave walton 
  To: Mercedes mailing list 
  Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 5:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.

  Yes, it's apart. I love the car, but hate the engine.
  I originally removed the head because of wicked oil burning that turned out 
to be caused by a blown head gasket. The #1 cylinder was not coming up as much 
as the others, so I pulled the engine. The #1 connecting rod is bent, but the 
cylinders are not ovaled much. All are within .006" of round. The #1 cylinder 
is indeed the most ovaled, but the original honing marks are still visible all 
around the cylinder wall, so I'm going to live with it and hope for the best. 

  I just got a digital caliper and remeasured everything. The #1 rod is 0.36mm 
shorter than the new one. It is also slightly bent to the side and ever so 
slightly twisted. The opening for the bottom bearing has enlarged 0.07mm 
horizontally and 0.02mm vertically.

  -Dave Walton

Re: [MBZ] 3 Cyl. 240D

Have you checked the compression on the offending cylinder?  Swapped 
injectors around?


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

My 83 240D (235K) after idling poorly for a month is now running on 3 cylinders.
 Before an "Italian Tune-up" would help the problem has continued and was
intermittent until now.
Valves are adjusted, filters 3 months old, primer pump replaced, fuel additives
used.  I suspect the fuel injectors or (I hope not) the fuel distributer pump.
Do fuel injectors ever fail completely? is 235K near the limit?  Any other
thoughts as to what it could be?
Thank you, (I am new to this list but am from the old diesel MBZ list)

John Ingram
83 240D 235K
Maryland


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Re: [MBZ] Plate light (failed inspection)

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 22:55:55 -0500 LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I assume that the tail lights are working, right? Why not power the
> license  plate lights by tapping into a tail light +12v with an inline
> splice?

That's similiar to how it's powered in the factory setup. If the left tail
light works like it should, the problem is between the left tail light and
the license plate lights.

> In the schematic it shows a connector and it looks like the wire goes
> all the way to the switch in the dash. I am not getting any power from
> the light assembly.
> 
> Any idea how this cable is routed? how hard it it to get to the switch
> in the dash?

Does the left tail light work properly? If so, don't mess with the switch
in the dash. Look at the cables coming from the left tail light assembly.
One of them should go between it and the license plate lights, maybe
inside the sheet metal so you'll have to take off an access plate.

Craig

Re: [MBZ] 240d park/neutral interlock question

Mac,
 I have crowned myself group leader for procrastinators anonymous.Never 
do today what you can put off till tomorrow.LOLOL, Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Steve MacSween" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240d park/neutral interlock question

Yeah, I pulled that trick on my old SD once. Of course it worked until one
Friday nite at 9 p.m. I then spent a long weekend having to fiddle for 10
minutes every time I had to restart it. Ah, to procrastinate, I know it
well!

Mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I drove it for quite a while by pushing the shifter like I saw in another
post and it finally got to the point where that just wasn't working 
anymore

and I never got around to fixing it.  Mike
- Original Message -
From: "Steve MacSween" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240d park/neutral interlock question

Oh, and actually just for the record, etc.,  now that I think back you
*did*
mention that it needed shifter bushings at some point, but I did not
realize
you meant it was that bad (every Benz I have driven probably needed at
least
the big one replaced).

Mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mac,
The shifter bushings are bad and need to be replaced for the switch to
work right.  Should be an easy fix for you.  Used to have to hold it
forward
to start it and then finally it wouldn't work at all.  Just rememberred
thatSorry i forgot to mention that glitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 240d park/neutral interlock question

Yeah, I pulled that trick on my old SD once. Of course it worked until one
Friday nite at 9 p.m. I then spent a long weekend having to fiddle for 10
minutes every time I had to restart it. Ah, to procrastinate, I know it
well!

Mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I drove it for quite a while by pushing the shifter like I saw in another
> post and it finally got to the point where that just wasn't working anymore
> and I never got around to fixing it.  Mike
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve MacSween" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 9:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240d park/neutral interlock question
> 
> 
>> Oh, and actually just for the record, etc.,  now that I think back you
>> *did*
>> mention that it needed shifter bushings at some point, but I did not
>> realize
>> you meant it was that bad (every Benz I have driven probably needed at
>> least
>> the big one replaced).
>> 
>> Mac
>> 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>> Mac,
>>> The shifter bushings are bad and need to be replaced for the switch to
>>> work right.  Should be an easy fix for you.  Used to have to hold it
>>> forward
>>> to start it and then finally it wouldn't work at all.  Just rememberred
>>> thatSorry i forgot to mention that glitch.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 3 Cyl. 240D

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Holed Piston!!?  How could that happen?

Relax, this is the worst case answer. But to address your question, usually
due to long-term poor injector spray pattern.

> How do I do a compression test on this engine?

Remove the injectors and screw in a diesel compression tester and crank,
similar to how you would screw the tester into the spark plug holes in a gas
engine. If you don't own a diesel compression tester, you may as well have a
shop do it as the diesel testers are $$$ for a decent one.

> I'm not sure it will idle but I guess the one that doesn't make it stop is the
> one.

If your engine won't idle, it sounds to me like you have a general fuel
system problem, not just one bad injector.

Does the engine run as though it has a dead cylinder at all rpm ranges, and
under load, or just while idling?

Have the injectors ever been tested/cleaned and/or rebuilt?

Did this come on gradually or suddenly (for example, after a fillup)?

Mac
Aylmer, Quebec
'60 220s / '82 240d (x2!!) / .5 of an '83 300sd
'75 Volvo 164e

Re: [MBZ] 3 Cyl. 240D

John L.-

 Holed Piston!!?  How could that happen?
How do I do a compression test on this engine?

I'm not sure it will idle but I guess the one that doesn't make it stop is the
one.
Thank you for your help.
John Ingram

[MBZ] Black Rubber Floor Mats for a 123

2005-09-05 Thread Theodore Lucas


Hi Group!
I am looking into purchasing a set of black rubber floor mats for my '81 
300D. The set I would like to have is a Mercedes original with the star 
logo but they are only available for the 124, 300D. I have seen the ads 
for Husky, WeatherGuard etc. but are generic fit and not custom cut for 
the 123 body. Can anyone chime in as to the brand, model that looks right?


Thanks in advance
Ted Lucas
1981 300D, 207K miles
1987 300D, 190K miles

Re: [MBZ] 3 Cyl. 240D

2005-09-05 Thread John Ervine


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

My 83 240D (235K) after idling poorly for a month is now running on 3 cylinders.
 Before an "Italian Tune-up" would help the problem has continued and was
intermittent until now.


First of all, welcome to the 1.8L 240D club!


Valves are adjusted, filters 3 months old, primer pump replaced, fuel additives
used.  I suspect the fuel injectors or (I hope not) the fuel distributer pump.
Do fuel injectors ever fail completely? is 235K near the limit?  Any other
thoughts as to what it could be?


Tired rings, floating rings, broken rings, holed piston.  Best bet, do a 
compression test on the cylinder with the problem.  Not sure which hole that is? 
 Start the car, and let her idle.  Take a 17mm wrench and open the lines to the 
injectors.  When you crack a line and the idle doesn't get any worse, you've 
found the bad hole.  You could try to swap injectors around to troubleshoot, 
too, if you felt like it.


--
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1981 240D 4-spd 268+kmi with 1.8L of diesel fury!
1980 300TD 170+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 80+kmi

[MBZ] 3 Cyl. 240D

My 83 240D (235K) after idling poorly for a month is now running on 3 cylinders.
 Before an "Italian Tune-up" would help the problem has continued and was
intermittent until now.
Valves are adjusted, filters 3 months old, primer pump replaced, fuel additives
used.  I suspect the fuel injectors or (I hope not) the fuel distributer pump.
Do fuel injectors ever fail completely? is 235K near the limit?  Any other
thoughts as to what it could be?
Thank you, (I am new to this list but am from the old diesel MBZ list)

John Ingram
83 240D 235K
Maryland

Re: [MBZ] Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.

2005-09-05 Thread dave walton

Oops, my bad.
Even if the bolts are in spec, I'm tossing them. I suppose I could use the 2 
that were originally on the #1 rod, but that's probably bad karma or 
something.

Thanks much for the correction Marshall.

-Dave Walton

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> 
> dave walton wrote:
> > I'm in the process of reassembling the engine of my S350 after replacing
> > the #1 connecting rod. The manual states a torque of 90Nm for the
> > connecting rod bolts. I am finding that they peak at about 70-73Nm for a
> > full turn. It just does not feel right that I should take them all the
> > way to 90Nm. My instinct says to leave them alone after 1/2 - 3/4 turn
> > at a steady 70Nm. Should I be measuring bolt stretch instead? I don't
> > see anything in the manual about that, however...
> >
> > Any thoughts appreciated.
> >
> > -Dave Walton
> 
> You seem to have misread or misinterpreted the specifications. The first
> stage tightening is 40 Nm for a used conrod and 45 Nm for a new one.
> Then the bolt is turned precisely 90 deg. further.
> 
> I've attached the appropriate pages from the manual.
> 
> PLEASE check the bolt dimensions if you've turned them more than 90 deg.
> - they may be stretched.
> 
> Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.

2005-09-05 Thread dave walton

Yes, it's apart. I love the car, but hate the engine.
I originally removed the head because of wicked oil burning that turned out 
to be caused by a blown head gasket. The #1 cylinder was not coming up as 
much as the others, so I pulled the engine. The #1 connecting rod is bent, 
but the cylinders are not ovaled much. All are within .006" of round. The #1 
cylinder is indeed the most ovaled, but the original honing marks are still 
visible all around the cylinder wall, so I'm going to live with it and hope 
for the best. 

I just got a digital caliper and remeasured everything. The #1 rod is
0.36mmshorter than the new one. It is also slightly bent to the side
and ever so
slightly twisted. The opening for the bottom bearing has enlarged
0.07mmhorizontally and
0.02mm vertically.

-Dave Walton

On 9/4/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> 
> You took your 3.5 apart? Did you get any ovaling of the cylinders? Was 
> the rod bent before or did you do it as a precaution?
> 
> dave walton wrote:
> 
> > I'm in the process of reassembling the engine of my S350 after replacing
> > the #1 connecting rod. The manual states a torque of 90Nm for the 
> > connecting rod bolts. I am finding that they peak at about 70-73Nm for a
> > full turn. It just does not feel right that I should take them all the
> > way to 90Nm. My instinct says to leave them alone after 1/2 - 3/4 turn 
> > at a steady 70Nm. Should I be measuring bolt stretch instead? I don't
> > see anything in the manual about that, however...
> >
> > Any thoughts appreciated.
> >
> > -Dave Walton
> >
> > 
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 240d Front Brakes

2005-09-05 Thread Harry M.

Sorry to toss in this news flash, but here's a suggestion stay far away from 
Auto Zone replacement parts. The very first time I used their replacement brake 
pads I had one pad completely shave itself off the backing plate after 
installing it. Nothing but junk

David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> I have found with the autozone pads they are always MUCH thinner new 
>> than what new OEM pads would be.
>
>Interesting.  I've never messed with Autozone pads, but I bought some
>PBR pades for my Volvo once, and they were real thick.
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Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting

2005-09-05 Thread Harry M.

I'm sure this will be one event to go down in history where there is alot of so 
called "finger pointing" They knew what would happen if they stayed there and 
failed to listen. Now they blame the government for not acting when they were 
in desperate need of help. The true blame should be on their own local and 
state law enforcement agencies for not responding to this disaster and making 
sure there was a proper evac plan to get the citizens out. Same situation in 
Florida and those people were smart enough to know what get the hell out means. 

Bill Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>People stayed in the second world trade tower, even though they were 
>told to evacuate., look what happen to them .why don't you 
>complain about their actions
>    What rocks me after reading 254 pages of the 911 commission report 
>and read the news about NO, they still don't get it, they did not get it 
>right, and looking for whom to blame  . history repeats itself and 
>it's done so soon We have two great tragic events in US History 
>under the same leadership .. focus on that
>
>
>Bill
>1981 300 TD
>
>
>David Brodbeck wrote:
>
>>redghost wrote:
>>  
>>
>>>The federal government is there to protect its citizens and to render 
>>>aid as best it can.  The MANDATORY evacuation was given, which should 
>>>have been heeded and would have reduced casualties had the laggards 
>>>followed it.   Bush is not able to stop Category 4 hurricanes in their 
>>>path, nor able to swoop down and rescue trapped home owners or 
>>>hospitalized people personally.  Those are not his job.
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>So how WERE the hospitalized people supposed to follow the evacuation
>>order, without government help?  I'm floored by the argument that those
>>people somehow made a choice to stay because they felt like ignoring the
>>evacuation order.
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Re: [MBZ] a question for LT don and other 240D drivers

2005-09-05 Thread David Brodbeck

Vernon Ritchey wrote:
> My 300SD turbo gets 25 mpg my 300TD NA gets 20.  Very repeatable.  Mixed 
> driving.

I get 29-30 mpg highway in my 300D Turbo.  Mixed driving yields more
like 26.  You should probably discount those figures by about 5%, based
on my estimate of the odometer error in my car.

David Brodbeck
'83 300D Turbo

Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting

2005-09-05 Thread David Brodbeck

The New Orleans Times-Picayune has published an open letter to the
President:
http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tporleans/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_tporleans/archives/2005_09.html#076771

A couple excerpts:

'Despite the city's multiple points of entry, our nation's bureaucrats
spent days after last week's hurricane wringing their hands, lamenting
the fact that they could neither rescue the city's stranded victims nor
bring them food, water and medical supplies.

'Meanwhile there were journalists, including some who work for The
Times-Picayune, going in and out of the city via the Crescent City
Connection. On Thursday morning, that crew saw a caravan of 13 Wal-Mart
tractor trailers headed into town to bring food, water and supplies to a
dying city.

'...Yet, the people trained to protect our nation, the people whose job
it is to quickly bring in aid were absent. Those who should have been
deploying troops were singing a sad song about how our city was
impossible to reach.'

...

'Every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency should be
fired, Director Michael Brown especially.

'In a nationally televised interview Thursday night, he said his agency
hadn't known until that day that thousands of storm victims were
stranded at the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center. He gave another
nationally televised interview the next morning and said, "We've
provided food to the people at the Convention Center so that they've
gotten at least one, if not two meals, every single day."

'Lies don't get more bald-faced than that, Mr. President.

'Yet, when you met with Mr. Brown Friday morning, you told him, "You're
doing a heck of a job."

"That's unbelievable.'

Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting and Animals Deaths

To add further, recall when the weather is turning very bad and animals
run for cover and the human is still in the storm area Man is above
animals someone said, animals are lower on the pole, man has the power
of to think and man dies and the survive of the spices will live
on

Bill
1981 300 TD

Bill Gallagher wrote:

Here is a nice contrast between humans and humans issues and humans and
animals .. we are all aware of the animal lovers and how from time
to time political pokes at them about how concern they are about animals
over humans ... Check out the amounts of animal deaths to humans:

While the city's human population suffered enormously, its famous
Audubon Zoo managed to take good care of its charges. Only three of its
1,400 animals died, officials said, adding that they had planned for
years for a catastrophic storm.

http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=uri:2005-09-05T012658Z_01_BAU471101_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-KATRINA-DC.XML&pageNumber=1&summit=

or
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsChannel.aspx?type=topNews
and click on New Orleans Kill four looters .. page two .

Man is very cruel to man through history and is plainly show today in
America . America is, my personal dream, a far,far, far, cut about
the others in world history, but reality bring me back to the Ape time
in history ...

Bill
1981 300 TD

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ohhh, I know that one. What is New Orleans? Did I win? Did I win?

In a message dated 9/4/2005 9:09:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

From: John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting
>
Bingo. Also, who has 500k people surrounded by levees without a
PLAN
on how to fix a damaged one

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Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting and Animals Deaths

Here is a nice contrast between humans and humans issues and humans and 
animals .. we are all aware of the animal lovers and how from time 
to time political pokes at them about how concern they are about animals 
over humans ... Check out the amounts of animal deaths to humans:


While the city's human population suffered enormously, its famous 
Audubon Zoo managed to take good care of its charges. Only three of its 
1,400 animals died, officials said, adding that they had planned for 
years for a catastrophic storm.


http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=uri:2005-09-05T012658Z_01_BAU471101_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-KATRINA-DC.XML&pageNumber=1&summit=

or
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsChannel.aspx?type=topNews
and click on New Orleans Kill four looters .. page two .

Man is very cruel to man through history and is plainly show today in 
America . America is, my personal dream, a far,far, far, cut about 
the others in world history, but  reality bring me back to the Ape time 
in history ...


Bill
1981 300 TD



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Ohhh, I know that one. What is New Orleans? Did I win? Did I win?
 
 
In a message dated 9/4/2005 9:09:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


From: John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting
>
Bingo.   Also, who has 500k people surrounded by levees without a
PLAN
on how to fix a damaged one 




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Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting

2005-09-05 Thread Bucks2

Ohhh, I know that one. What is New Orleans? Did I win? Did I win? 


In a message dated 9/4/2005 9:09:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting
>
Bingo.   Also, who has 500k people surrounded by levees without a PLAN 
on how to fix a damaged one

Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting

Yes, security guards told one story and authority in New York said 
another   Who do you believe  The towers were attacked in 1995 
.confusion ruled ...
   but there will always be a number of people who will continue on for 
a number of different reasons refusing to leave from rich to poor  
Should society said, well that is there choice, they are own their own,  
it's fine for them to suffer the effects to the fullest . Even 
thought society feels beyond a reasonable doubt there will be massive 
damage to live and sit by like a dog and do nothing ??? Sounds like when 
your child run out to the street without looking, it's fine  well, 
adults do act like children some never grow up  We all need help 
from time to time ... Let's show it..
   Recall several years ago a airline aircraft taking off from 
Washington DC and cashing into the Potomac River . A hand fill of 
servitors were in the ice clogged river  rescue worker arrives and 
stood on the banks helpless with equipment they have ...looking on as 
the people struggles for live some close to death in the 30 degrees 
water  a lone unemployed middle class worker emotions refused to 
accept the actions of others and dived in to river and swam to the 
nearest person in the freezing water  He started the ball, others 
followed and lives saved. America is looking not doing like the 
unemployed worker ...



Bill
1981 300 TD

Craig McCluskey wrote:


On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 20:33:27 -0400 Bill Gallagher
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 

People stayed in the second world trade tower, even though they were 
told to evacuate
   



Actually, the order to evacuate was rescinded and they were told it was
safe to go back to work. Some left anyway.


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] Plate light (failed inspection)

2005-09-05 Thread LT Don

I assume that the tail lights are working, right? Why not power the license 
plate lights by tapping into a tail light +12v with an inline splice? That 
should get you through the inspection process.

Re: [MBZ] Plate light (failed inspection)

2005-09-05 Thread 72benz250

Hey Craig,

I found the schematics online at 
http://mb.braingears.com/114_115_Disk1/program/matrix6.htm 72 / 250 electricals 
...

In the schematic it shows a connector and it looks like the wire goes all the 
way to the switch in the dash. I am not getting any power from the light 
assembly.

Any idea how this cable is routed? how hard it it to get to the switch in the 
dash?

Thx again.

George

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> > 
> > Yeah it is a 72 250 W114 M130. 
> 
> I presume it's a 250/8, so I scanned the schematic from my Chilton's book, 
> copyrighted 1970. 
> 
> I can email the schematic (347K) and descriptor table (98K) off-list, if 
> you'd like. 
> 
> The upshot is that the license plate lights feed off the left tail light 
> assembly. (That was the original question, wasn't it?) 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] a question for LT don and other 240D drivers


Mac's 240D gets 24 on a WVO blend.;>)  Mike
- Original Message - 
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To: "'Mercedes mailing list'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] a question for LT don and other 240D drivers



I get 22-24 miles per gallon in my 240D (automatic).  Nothing more!

Sincerely,

-Scott Levengood




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Marshall Booth
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 5:01 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] a question for LT don and other 240D drivers

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

What kind of fuel mileage are you getting with your cars?  What about
stick drivers?


Best mileage I ever got from my W115 240Ds (manual 4 spd transmissions)
was 37 mpg, but 32 on the highway was much more usual and that could
drop to 28 or 30 at speeds much above 70 mph or with the AC on full
tilt. The W123s should be very similar! 201 series 190Ds are better and
faster!

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting

EXACTLY CraigThey could have got way more people out if they had 
just listened and not said"OH it's just another storm, we'll be OK". 
Everyone just assumes that everything will be OK because SOMEBODY will fix 
thingsYa know, "THEY" will do it while I bitchMike
- Original Message - 
From: "Craig McCluskey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 20:33:27 -0400 Bill Gallagher
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

We have two great tragic events in US History under the same leadership
.. focus on that

No. The Feds can't just barge into Louisiana and take things over.

With the sea of school buses that were left unused for the mandatory
evacuation, the leaders in Louisiana dropped the ball. Now all the buses
are half submerged and probably inoperable. The local leaders are the ones
who should take the heat, not Bush or anyone else in Washington.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240d park/neutral interlock question

I drove it for quite a while by pushing the shifter like I saw in another 
post and it finally got to the point where that just wasn't working anymore 
and I never got around to fixing it.  Mike
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Oh, and actually just for the record, etc.,  now that I think back you 
*did*
mention that it needed shifter bushings at some point, but I did not 
realize
you meant it was that bad (every Benz I have driven probably needed at 
least

the big one replaced).

Mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Mac,
The shifter bushings are bad and need to be replaced for the switch to
work right.  Should be an easy fix for you.  Used to have to hold it 
forward

to start it and then finally it wouldn't work at all.  Just rememberred
thatSorry i forgot to mention that glitch.





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Re: [MBZ] 240d park/neutral interlock question

Not more than a year old and it most likely has diesel kleen mixed with it 
as well so I would just top it off and run it. Glad to help on the 
bushings.kicking myself in the ass for not keeping it now that I NEED to 
run WVOOh well, I will be converting my diesel Ford van to a 3 tank 
system(it already has two and i am going to add a 3rd 100 gallon WVO tank in 
the back.


Good luck,  Mike
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240d park/neutral interlock question



AAAHHH

Hey, I'm ECSTATIC. I once went through the pain of troubleshooting a 
wiring
harness internal break for a similar problem, and this one smelled too 
close

for comfort to my memory of the other time.

Hey, I would rather have to buy every shifter bushing Mercedes ever made,
twice over, than fiddle with electricity of any voltage.

Thanks for the info.

Oh, hey, hold old is the diesel in the tank now? Just wondering.

mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Mac,
The shifter bushings are bad and need to be replaced for the switch to
work right.  Should be an easy fix for you.  Used to have to hold it 
forward

to start it and then finally it wouldn't work at all.  Just rememberred
thatSorry i forgot to mention that glitch.

Mike
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From: "Steve MacSween" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 7:29 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 240d park/neutral interlock question


On my 'new' w123 240d (Mike's old car), we have a problem whereby the 
key

switch is not activating the starter.

I've been looking through the (impressive!) pile of service receipts 
that

came with the car, and I notice that the car was in the shop MANY times
over
the last 8 years or more, for that problem. No one seems to have ever
really
FIXED it, though it would appear that a new starter 'fixed' it three 
times

in the last 4-5 years (this is all before Mike had it, by the way).

Now one thing I have noticed, when I tried giggling the gear selector 
with

the key turned to the start position, is that there is no
click-click-click
and so on, that I seem to remember on my 116 when I did the same thing. 
I

do
hear a noise, but it sounds like the selector rod moving, not the switch
clicking.

So, two questions:

Should I be hearing the switch, when I do this?

And, anyone got any instant suggestions on why the intermittent key 
switch

problem, engaging the starter? The work orders have the usual notes,
cleaned
connections, etc.

Thanks

Mac
Aylmer, Quebec
'60 220s / '82 240d (x2!!) / .5 of an '83 300sd
'75 Volvo 164e





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Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting

2005-09-05 Thread thargrav

John,

This isn't the President's fault - he actually delared the area a disaster 
area before the storm hit so that federal funds would flow that much faster.

It's also not the local politicians fault - they spend funds, including funds 
for levee improvement based on the State's wishes & budget restrictions. And 
from what I understand, there were levee improvement projects on the books. 
But improving levees is like improving the road systems - some of these 
projects take decades because of the logistics involved. It's not like you can 
tear them down & start over.

The situation is a little more complicated. The inner city in most of our 
large cities are is full of the poorest of our people and new Orleans is no 
exception. Many did not have the physical or financial means to evacuate 
before the storm. Remember, the population was told to evacuate, to 
somewhere. Where were they to go and more important, how were they 
supposed to pay to get there?

Now, here they sit in their houses, surrounded by water and all they have 
left. They survived the storm and now we want them to leave it all behind to 
the looters? No way, at least not until they are starving.

I predict that many residents will stay in New Orleans until thay have 
absolutely no choice. The National Guard will still be pulling the dead and 
dying out of their houses two weeks from now for no other reason than they 
refused to leave. That's not New Orleans, Louisiana, the Federal Government or 
the President's fault!


Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com

Quoting John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> 
> >With the sea of school buses that were left unused for the mandatory
> >evacuation, the leaders in Louisiana dropped the ball. Now all the
> buses
> >are half submerged and probably inoperable. The local leaders are the
> ones
> >who should take the heat, not Bush or anyone else in Washington.
> >  
> >
> Bingo.   Also, who has 500k people surrounded by levees without a PLAN 
> on how to fix a damaged one 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] A VERY Serious Topic

2005-09-05 Thread l02turner

David wrote:>>

The problem most right wing commentators (as you describe them) is not the 
people that *should* be included in a profile - forget the racial 
description - but rather the people who should *not* be 
stopped/harrassed/searched.  People are being searched because they're 3rd 
in line - or some such arbitrary qualifier - and people like disabled 
Congressmen, Retired Generals/Medal of Honor winners,  80 yr old gramdma's 
and 2 year old children are being detained.  Absolutely no benefit is gained 
from detaining and searching such people - and they came with impeccable 
identification.


I suspect the term "racial" profiling was coined to generate a emotional 
response to a practical suggestion.  No one is suggesting only people who 
look like Arabs be searched/detained/etc - but men between 15 and 35 are the 
most likely to be terrorist on a mission although some women have been 
participating also.  To call it "racial" profiling is not accurate - any 
more than seeing a white man flee a bank with bags of money in each hand and 
100 $ bills in their pockets and targeting black men would make sense.


Sincerely,
Larry T (78 240D)

Re: [MBZ] a question for LT don and other 240D drivers

2005-09-05 Thread Vernon Ritchey

My 300SD turbo gets 25 mpg my 300TD NA gets 20.  Very repeatable.  Mixed 
driving.


Scott Ritchey
Niceville, FL
1982 300 SD 220K miles
1979 300 TD 350K miles

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What kind of fuel mileage are you getting with your cars?  What about
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Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting

2005-09-05 Thread John Robbins




With the sea of school buses that were left unused for the mandatory
evacuation, the leaders in Louisiana dropped the ball. Now all the buses
are half submerged and probably inoperable. The local leaders are the ones
who should take the heat, not Bush or anyone else in Washington.
 

Bingo.   Also, who has 500k people surrounded by levees without a PLAN 
on how to fix a damaged one

Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting

2005-09-05 Thread Bucks2

Absolutely wrong decision for those tower folks wasn't it? And I'll bet if 
they'd had a couple of days to make the decision a bunch more of them would 
have 
lived. But, many of them were above the crash floors and couldn't. You'll 
recall my original post advised we should help to any extent possible those who 
couldn't evacuate in NO. Recall I specifically mentioned those folks in that 
post. Included would be those in the hospital, those with no transportation, 
and 
those who were there to serve the community after the storm. 

I'm not mentioning the Jews who didn't leave Germany either because that 
wasn't the focus of the discussion. I think the folks who didn't leave Pompeii 
were silly too. Any other disasters I need to cover? 

Ken


In a message dated 9/4/2005 6:40:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: Bill Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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People stayed in the second world trade tower, even though they were 
told to evacuate., look what happen to them .why don't you 
complain about their actions

Re: [MBZ] Plate light (failed inspection)

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:00:15 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> Yeah it is a 72 250 W114 M130.

I presume it's a 250/8, so I scanned the schematic from my Chilton's book,
copyrighted 1970.

I can email the schematic (347K) and descriptor table (98K) off-list, if
you'd like.

The upshot is that the license plate lights feed off the left tail light
assembly. (That was the original question, wasn't it?)

Craig

Re: [MBZ] a question for LT don and other 240D drivers

2005-09-05 Thread Scott Levengood

I get 22-24 miles per gallon in my 240D (automatic).  Nothing more!

Sincerely,

-Scott Levengood




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Subject: Re: [MBZ] a question for LT don and other 240D drivers

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> What kind of fuel mileage are you getting with your cars?  What about 
> stick drivers?

Best mileage I ever got from my W115 240Ds (manual 4 spd transmissions) 
was 37 mpg, but 32 on the highway was much more usual and that could 
drop to 28 or 30 at speeds much above 70 mph or with the AC on full 
tilt. The W123s should be very similar! 201 series 190Ds are better and 
faster!

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] a question for LT don and other 240D drivers

2005-09-05 Thread OK Don

My '70 220D manual got up to 32 on the highway, the '81 240D manual is 
getting about 24 mpg in 100% town driving. No air on either of them.

On 9/4/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> > What kind of fuel mileage are you getting with your cars? What about
> > stick drivers?
> 
> Best mileage I ever got from my W115 240Ds (manual 4 spd transmissions)
> was 37 mpg, but 32 on the highway was much more usual and that could
> drop to 28 or 30 at speeds much above 70 mph or with the AC on full
> tilt. The W123s should be very similar! 201 series 190Ds are better and
> faster!
> 
> Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] OT - magic flashlights

2005-09-05 Thread OK Don

Yup - I pulled the batteries out, and that's stampe dright on them. I also 
got the bright idea to test the flachlight without the batteries - and yes, 
it does work. The capacitor seems to be a 0.047F - haven't determined the 
run time on the cap only yet, maybe tonight.


> 
> Never heard of recharging Lithium coin cells. Are you *sure* they're
> 2032s? There are NiCads available in the same size and shape.
> 
> I have a cheap Chinese knock-off of those shake flashlights. It uses a
> capacitor for energy storage. Doesn't work very well, probably due to
> cheap components.
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Re: [MBZ] 240d park/neutral interlock question


is the shifter loose?  Maybe the neutral safety switch is bad.

Steve MacSween wrote:


On my 'new' w123 240d (Mike's old car), we have a problem whereby the key
switch is not activating the starter.

I've been looking through the (impressive!) pile of service receipts that
came with the car, and I notice that the car was in the shop MANY times over
the last 8 years or more, for that problem. No one seems to have ever really
FIXED it, though it would appear that a new starter 'fixed' it three times
in the last 4-5 years (this is all before Mike had it, by the way).

Now one thing I have noticed, when I tried giggling the gear selector with
the key turned to the start position, is that there is no click-click-click
and so on, that I seem to remember on my 116 when I did the same thing. I do
hear a noise, but it sounds like the selector rod moving, not the switch
clicking.

So, two questions:

Should I be hearing the switch, when I do this?

And, anyone got any instant suggestions on why the intermittent key switch
problem, engaging the starter? The work orders have the usual notes, cleaned
connections, etc.

Thanks

Mac
Aylmer, Quebec
'60 220s / '82 240d (x2!!) / .5 of an '83 300sd
'75 Volvo 164e 






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Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 20:33:27 -0400 Bill Gallagher
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> People stayed in the second world trade tower, even though they were 
> told to evacuate

Actually, the order to evacuate was rescinded and they were told it was
safe to go back to work. Some left anyway.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 20:33:27 -0400 Bill Gallagher
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We have two great tragic events in US History under the same leadership
> .. focus on that

No. The Feds can't just barge into Louisiana and take things over.

With the sea of school buses that were left unused for the mandatory
evacuation, the leaders in Louisiana dropped the ball. Now all the buses
are half submerged and probably inoperable. The local leaders are the ones
who should take the heat, not Bush or anyone else in Washington.

Craig

Re: [MBZ] 240d park/neutral interlock question

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Until you can get it fixed, here is a workaround. With the shifter in park,
> push it to the right to the stop then crank the engine. That normally engaged
> the starter for me -- until I was able to fix the problem.

I've had to do that before as well, but this one won't cooperated no matter
what you do with the shifter.

Now that Mike replied, I unnerstaaand.

Mac

Re: [MBZ] 240d park/neutral interlock question

Oh, and actually just for the record, etc.,  now that I think back you *did*
mention that it needed shifter bushings at some point, but I did not realize
you meant it was that bad (every Benz I have driven probably needed at least
the big one replaced).

Mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Mac,
> The shifter bushings are bad and need to be replaced for the switch to
> work right.  Should be an easy fix for you.  Used to have to hold it forward
> to start it and then finally it wouldn't work at all.  Just rememberred
> thatSorry i forgot to mention that glitch.
>

Re: [MBZ] 240d park/neutral interlock question

AAAHHH

Hey, I'm ECSTATIC. I once went through the pain of troubleshooting a wiring
harness internal break for a similar problem, and this one smelled too close
for comfort to my memory of the other time.

Hey, I would rather have to buy every shifter bushing Mercedes ever made,
twice over, than fiddle with electricity of any voltage.

Thanks for the info.

Oh, hey, hold old is the diesel in the tank now? Just wondering.

 mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Mac,
> The shifter bushings are bad and need to be replaced for the switch to
> work right.  Should be an easy fix for you.  Used to have to hold it forward
> to start it and then finally it wouldn't work at all.  Just rememberred
> thatSorry i forgot to mention that glitch.
> 
> Mike
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve MacSween" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 7:29 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] 240d park/neutral interlock question
> 
> 
>> On my 'new' w123 240d (Mike's old car), we have a problem whereby the key
>> switch is not activating the starter.
>> 
>> I've been looking through the (impressive!) pile of service receipts that
>> came with the car, and I notice that the car was in the shop MANY times
>> over
>> the last 8 years or more, for that problem. No one seems to have ever
>> really
>> FIXED it, though it would appear that a new starter 'fixed' it three times
>> in the last 4-5 years (this is all before Mike had it, by the way).
>> 
>> Now one thing I have noticed, when I tried giggling the gear selector with
>> the key turned to the start position, is that there is no
>> click-click-click
>> and so on, that I seem to remember on my 116 when I did the same thing. I
>> do
>> hear a noise, but it sounds like the selector rod moving, not the switch
>> clicking.
>> 
>> So, two questions:
>> 
>> Should I be hearing the switch, when I do this?
>> 
>> And, anyone got any instant suggestions on why the intermittent key switch
>> problem, engaging the starter? The work orders have the usual notes,
>> cleaned
>> connections, etc.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Mac
>> Aylmer, Quebec
>> '60 220s / '82 240d (x2!!) / .5 of an '83 300sd
>> '75 Volvo 164e
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240d park/neutral interlock question

2005-09-05 Thread LT Don

Until you can get it fixed, here is a workaround. With the shifter in park, 
push it to the right to the stop then crank the engine. That normally 
engaged the starter for me -- until I was able to fix the problem. 

On 9/4/05, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On my 'new' w123 240d (Mike's old car), we have a problem whereby the key
> switch is not activating the starter.
> 
> I've been looking through the (impressive!) pile of service receipts that
> came with the car, and I notice that the car was in the shop MANY times 
> over
> the last 8 years or more, for that problem. No one seems to have ever 
> really
> FIXED it, though it would appear that a new starter 'fixed' it three times
> in the last 4-5 years (this is all before Mike had it, by the way).
> 
> Now one thing I have noticed, when I tried giggling the gear selector with
> the key turned to the start position, is that there is no 
> click-click-click
> and so on, that I seem to remember on my 116 when I did the same thing. I 
> do
> hear a noise, but it sounds like the selector rod moving, not the switch
> clicking.
> 
> So, two questions:
> 
> Should I be hearing the switch, when I do this?
> 
> And, anyone got any instant suggestions on why the intermittent key switch
> problem, engaging the starter? The work orders have the usual notes, 
> cleaned
> connections, etc.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mac
> Aylmer, Quebec
> '60 220s / '82 240d (x2!!) / .5 of an '83 300sd
> '75 Volvo 164e
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New Orleans looting

People stayed in the second world trade tower, even though they were 
told to evacuate., look what happen to them .why don't you 
complain about their actions
   What rocks me after reading 254 pages of the 911 commission report 
and read the news about NO, they still don't get it, they did not get it 
right, and looking for whom to blame  . history repeats itself and 
it's done so soon We have two great tragic events in US History 
under the same leadership .. focus on that



Bill
1981 300 TD


David Brodbeck wrote:


redghost wrote:
 

The federal government is there to protect its citizens and to render 
aid as best it can.  The MANDATORY evacuation was given, which should 
have been heeded and would have reduced casualties had the laggards 
followed it.   Bush is not able to stop Category 4 hurricanes in their 
path, nor able to swoop down and rescue trapped home owners or 
hospitalized people personally.  Those are not his job.
   



So how WERE the hospitalized people supposed to follow the evacuation
order, without government help?  I'm floored by the argument that those
people somehow made a choice to stay because they felt like ignoring the
evacuation order.

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Re: [MBZ] A VERY serious topic

2005-09-05 Thread David Brodbeck

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I think those who could possibly be terrorists should be searched. Do
> you really think Teddy Kennedy, one of the most recognizable politicians
> in the US should be delayed because his name is on "the list"? An 18
> month old not only was searched but kept from boarding the plane because
> his name matched. Has any country, anwhere in the world had an 80 year
> old woman carrying a bomb?

I agree that there are people we probably don't need to search.  Where I
disagree with most right-wing commentators is that I don't think
*racial* profiling will work.  We've already seen that Al Queda
occasionally succeeds in recruiting white people.  If only Arab-looking
people are searched, they'll redouble that effort.

> Profiling works very very well in many places. Virtually every terrorist
> expert believes that profiling is necessary. That's exactly what they do
> in old town Jerusalem. That's what they're doing in Britain.

Yes, but those places have terrorism problems that are categorically
different.  Israel's terrorism problem, as well as Britain's, involves
static, well-understood groups with established modes of operation.
They are local and can be infiltrated and studied.  There are lots of
attacks to examine to base profiles on.  The U.S. situation is
different.  The groups are shadowy, ill-organized, and rarely talk to
the media.  Very few have been successfully infiltrated to date.
Attacks are few and far between, with little evidence left behind.
There's simply very little information to base a profile on.

> The key is, you don't tell everybody what you're looking for.

Again, though, the terrorists will figure it out.  They have an
information advantage, because they can simply observe who is searched
and who isn't. That decision will be made thousands of times a day in
thousands of places.  It's not rocket science to figure out the criteria.

> If cockpit doors are the answer, and they have been installed, then why
> are we still searching people?

Mainly, it makes people feel better.  If people don't feel secure, they
won't fly.  Also, while the cockpit doors will stop terrorists from
taking control of the planes and using them as weapons, a terrorist
could still kill or injure people in the cabin.  It's the same logic
that causes weapons to be restricted at concerts.

> And who, who on earth thought that they
> would fly the planes into the buildings? Hijack the planes? Maybe. But
> nobody seriously thought they'd fly them into buildings.

The hints were there, but no one took them seriously.  Whether it was a
lack of interest or a failure to imagine such an attack, I don't know.

Re: [MBZ] Tightening Connecting Rod bolts.