Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars
Chris, I forgot to add something.. It's only cheaper if your salary/income has kept pace or exceeded the inflation rate.. Of course, I'm not including all the kids you might have had in between... ::) Take care, Chuck On Mar 21, 2006, at 4:47 PM, Christopher McCann wrote: Any source to find this out, in general? I heard $42,000 for the 87 300TD - plug that into the inflation calculator and it's $70,604 (2005 $) - that seems INSANE. Even without the inflation calculator - $42,000 in '87 was ALOT of money for a station wagon...even an MB. Thanks, Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] BIG pile of parts for sale
I wonder if he would think I am a wise ass if I asked him to list everything with part numbers? - Original Message - From: Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:12 PM Subject: [MBZ] BIG pile of parts for sale FYI... no affiliation, etc... just passing it along: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=8049348099 This has Kaleb written all over it, lol! =) -- Dave M. Boise, ID 1994 E500 - 95kmi (Q-ship) 1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo - Need ALDA Info.
I'm having trouble finding ALDA in the index of the WSM- what does ALDA
stand for and/or what should I be looking for in the engine index? Inj Pump
Operation perhaps?
TIA -
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo - Need ALDA Info.
In a message dated 3/20/2006 12:50:55 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm seeing a feeling of being pushed back in the seat - smoothly and
progressively as rpm's build between 2000 and 3000 rpm. Then it's a
steady
acceleration. But at times I don't notice the push (for lack of a better
term) as the turbo spools up and the scenery starts to go by more
quickly.
That's my question - it seems to be more noticable at some times while
other
times, it just gradually adds speed - still quickly, but not with the
feeling of being pressed into the seat.
When I learned I didn't have an ALDA in my W123 240D, I ignored the posts
when it was being discussed. I plan to read the manual to see how it
works
and what adjustments are suggested but if the list would provide their
experiences with ALDA and what they did / how they did it -- I'd really
appreciate it as the workshop manual is not always clear.
Larry,
The ALDA changes the injected fuel quantity as atmospheric pressure and/or
boost pressure varies. Below is what I wrote in reply to previous
inquiries.
I think it is important enough to repeat the main theme here. I, and
others
on this list, believe that the injection pump calibration shifts towards
leaner as the pump ages. To correct this you can spend big bucks, pull
the
inector pump and send it to a Bosch shop for recalibrating. OR... you
can change
the setting on the ALDA to compensate. This is wy cheaper:
I firmly believe that as the fuel injection pump ages, the calibration
goes towards the lean side, due to softening of springs and wear of
various levers and fulcrums. This results in weak off-the-line
performance, especially when starting out with a cold engine.
Jerking the FI pump and having it recalibrated could fix this problem
but it's expensive. What I believe WILL give you a kick in the pants
is adding to that shim between the ALDA/compensater, and the FI pump.
That will give you more fuel off-idle, before the boost comes in, and
the car will really step out. Especially watch the improvement when
starting out cold.
The shim measurements are 0.705 OD, and 0.560 ID. You should be able
to duplicate the shim, in various thickness, with a Dremel and some
flat washers.
You need a 25mm wrench (1 inch works) to turn the nut on the FI pump
clockwise while holding the ALDA with a strap wrench, big pliers, or ?
Once the nut breaks loose it is easy to turn and release the ALDA.
Watch for shims in the base of the ALDA and/or the top of the FI pump.
Use a
thin screwdriver to probe for the shims as they are virtually
invisible. I
would return all existing shims or their equal, plust .040 to .060
additional shims, to compensate for calibration shift in the FI pumps
due to age.
There is no way of knowing how much each individual car will need-what
we are looking for is a much improved jump off idle, before the boost
comes in, and especially when the engine is cold. All this without
excess smoke at WOT on a sunny day, and no big increase in fuel
consumption
Typically, those that break the seal on the turbo ALDAs to get to the
adjusting screw get about 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 turns CCW before they hit the
thread limit--at .025 per revolution, that would be about like a
.040 shim. I have not heard of anyone coming back CW off the max,
but I have heard of
people twisting off the screw, trying to get more!Hence the
reason for
shims-the screws can be used for fine tuning, if needed.
Regards,
Jim Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles
98 ML 320, 141 K miles
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Re: [MBZ] BIG pile of parts for sale
Uh ... yea, it would. On 3/21/06, Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if he would think I am a wise ass if I asked him to list everything with part numbers? - Original Message - From: Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:12 PM Subject: [MBZ] BIG pile of parts for sale FYI... no affiliation, etc... just passing it along: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=8049348099 This has Kaleb written all over it, lol! =) -- Dave M. Boise, ID 1994 E500 - 95kmi (Q-ship) 1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars
Chuck Landenberger wrote: Chris, Bob Nitske's book puts the MSRP for the 87 300TD at $42,500 I guess that means the ML at $60 something is cheaper in today's dollars... I'm just guessing on the ML price. Yep, a ML is a cheaply built POS compared to a S124 or a GL. I bet a 1990 GL has a higher resale value than a 2000 ML. Mitch.
Re: [MBZ] 190D needs 603
Was that an Olds 215 you shoehorned in there? I have a rubber bumper Midget and a very hot(no not that hot...this one has been hot tanked and runs cool) running 215 here that are going to make thier way into a toy one of these days..Should be a load of fun. Mike - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D needs 603 It can't be much worse than putting an Olds V8 in an MGA -- BTDT. On 3/21/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave M. wrote: Never say never... or in this case, no WAY... because some lunatic out there will prove you wrong! In this case, it's the Crazy Finns. Look closely at the brief under-hood shots of these W201's. Major surgery was required, this is not even close to a drop-in swap: http://www.w124performance.com/movies/Mercedes/SuperTurbos/dieselboost_demo.mov (14MB download) I still get chills up my spine whenever I watch that. Drol! I have a hard time comprehending what it must be like to drive a W201 with a manual tranny and 450bhp under the bonnet. I'm sure it's quite different than my heavy, pokey W124 with a mere 340hp and a slushbox. :-) -Dave M. -- Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:00:25 -0500 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D needs 603 Ain't NO way a 603 will fit. Even the 602 was tight. Marshall The 124 chassis only weighs a few hundred pounds more than the 201 and if you go with a 5 speed manual transmission, even less! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo - Need ALDA Info.
Nevermind - found the ALDA on top of the IP.Tomorrow I'll try to make
some shims and break loose the ALDA.
Since you said .040 to .060 I guess starting with the thinner size is the
better to start with?
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo - Need ALDA Info.
In a message dated 3/20/2006 12:50:55 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm seeing a feeling of being pushed back in the seat - smoothly and
progressively as rpm's build between 2000 and 3000 rpm. Then it's a
steady
acceleration. But at times I don't notice the push (for lack of a better
term) as the turbo spools up and the scenery starts to go by more
quickly.
That's my question - it seems to be more noticable at some times while
other
times, it just gradually adds speed - still quickly, but not with the
feeling of being pressed into the seat.
When I learned I didn't have an ALDA in my W123 240D, I ignored the posts
when it was being discussed. I plan to read the manual to see how it
works
and what adjustments are suggested but if the list would provide their
experiences with ALDA and what they did / how they did it -- I'd really
appreciate it as the workshop manual is not always clear.
Larry,
The ALDA changes the injected fuel quantity as atmospheric pressure and/or
boost pressure varies. Below is what I wrote in reply to previous
inquiries.
I think it is important enough to repeat the main theme here. I, and
others
on this list, believe that the injection pump calibration shifts towards
leaner as the pump ages. To correct this you can spend big bucks, pull
the
inector pump and send it to a Bosch shop for recalibrating. OR... you
can change
the setting on the ALDA to compensate. This is wy cheaper:
I firmly believe that as the fuel injection pump ages, the calibration
goes towards the lean side, due to softening of springs and wear of
various levers and fulcrums. This results in weak off-the-line
performance, especially when starting out with a cold engine.
Jerking the FI pump and having it recalibrated could fix this problem
but it's expensive. What I believe WILL give you a kick in the pants
is adding to that shim between the ALDA/compensater, and the FI pump.
That will give you more fuel off-idle, before the boost comes in, and
the car will really step out. Especially watch the improvement when
starting out cold.
The shim measurements are 0.705 OD, and 0.560 ID. You should be able
to duplicate the shim, in various thickness, with a Dremel and some
flat washers.
You need a 25mm wrench (1 inch works) to turn the nut on the FI pump
clockwise while holding the ALDA with a strap wrench, big pliers, or ?
Once the nut breaks loose it is easy to turn and release the ALDA.
Watch for shims in the base of the ALDA and/or the top of the FI pump.
Use a
thin screwdriver to probe for the shims as they are virtually
invisible. I
would return all existing shims or their equal, plust .040 to .060
additional shims, to compensate for calibration shift in the FI pumps
due to age.
There is no way of knowing how much each individual car will need-what
we are looking for is a much improved jump off idle, before the boost
comes in, and especially when the engine is cold. All this without
excess smoke at WOT on a sunny day, and no big increase in fuel
consumption
Typically, those that break the seal on the turbo ALDAs to get to the
adjusting screw get about 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 turns CCW before they hit the
thread limit--at .025 per revolution, that would be about like a
.040 shim. I have not heard of anyone coming back CW off the max,
but I have heard of
people twisting off the screw, trying to get more!Hence the
reason for
shims-the screws can be used for fine tuning, if needed.
Regards,
Jim Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles
98 ML 320, 141 K miles
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Re: [MBZ] BIG pile of parts for sale
From the parts I see, this is a range of parts from the late 50's through the mid 80's. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LT Don Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 7:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] BIG pile of parts for sale Uh ... yea, it would. On 3/21/06, Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if he would think I am a wise ass if I asked him to list everything with part numbers? - Original Message - From: Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:12 PM Subject: [MBZ] BIG pile of parts for sale FYI... no affiliation, etc... just passing it along: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=8049348099 This has Kaleb written all over it, lol! =) -- Dave M. Boise, ID 1994 E500 - 95kmi (Q-ship) 1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars
Christopher McCann wrote: Any source to find this out, in general? I heard $42,000 for the 87 300TD - plug that into the inflation calculator and it's $70,604 (2005 $) - that seems INSANE. Even without the inflation calculator - $42,000 in '87 was ALOT of money for a station wagon...even an MB. Thanks, After driving one for several days, I really didn't think that $42k for the best station wagon ever made was excessive in 1987. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo - Need ALDA Info.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm having trouble finding ALDA in the index of the WSM- what does ALDA stand for and/or what should I be looking for in the engine index? Inj Pump Operation perhaps? Precisely why do you suppose there will be information on the adjustment of the ALDA in the WSM? The ALDA and all other injection pump adjustments are NOT permitted by Mercedes. Whenever there is an injection pump problem, Mercedes either replaces the pump or has it repaired by Bosch. There has been almost NO information about injection pump adjustment since the OM621 manual that was published in the '60s. There is a description of what the ALDA does and picture of it in section 7.1-0010/ page 14. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] 190D needs 603
BT, WRONG. You can probably remove the center console, cut a hole in the firewall and have the back half of the engine sitting up front with you. Marshall Booth wrote: OK Don wrote: Now here's a car that's just drying for a 603 engine and intercooler -- http://tinyurl.com/nsxtk Ain't NO way a 603 will fit. Even the 602 was tight. Marshall -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
[MBZ] stand your ground
(http://domelights.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/1166081461/m/7071048383/r/7071048383#7071048383) i just wanted to post this article i saw it is not my intention to start a pro/anti gun control debate i just wanted to add to the discussion : By Richard Willing, USA TODAY (March 21) -- A year after Florida became the first state to allow citizens to use deadly force against muggers, carjackers and other attackers, the idea is spreading. South Dakota has enacted a similar law, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels plans to sign such a measure today, and 15 other states are considering such proposals. Several states are expanding self-defense rights to crimes committed in public. Dubbed Stand Your Ground bills by supporters such as the National Rifle Association, the measures generally grant immunity from prosecution and lawsuits to those who use deadly force to combat any unlawful entry or attack. Several states allow people to use deadly force in their homes against intruders; the new measures represent an expansion of self-defense rights to crimes committed in public. The NRA and other supporters say the bills are needed in many states that require people under attack in public places to withdraw from the situation, rather than retaliate, unless they can show their lives are in danger. For someone attacked by criminals to be victimized a second time by a second-guessing legal system is wrong, the NRA's Wayne LaPierre says. Critics, including the Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence, say the bills encourage vigilantism and would make it more likely that confrontations would turn deadly. Zach Ragbourn of the Brady group says the proposals are more accurately called 'Shoot First' laws. They allow a person who just feels something bad is going to happen to open fire in public. The idea that people should use deadly force only to defend their lives is rooted in English common law, author Richard Maxwell Brown says in No Duty To Retreat: Violence and Values in American History and Society. Another common law principle, the duty to retreat, requires people to avoid potentially deadly confrontations. The principles apply in most states. The duty to retreat generally doesn't apply in a person's home. LaPierre says the NRA is targeting 29 duty-to-retreat states where people can be prosecuted, sued or both if they don't retreat from criminal attacks. Ragbourn says the proposals aim to fix a system that isn't broken. People aren't being thrown into jail for legitimate self-defense. There's no crisis here. Florida's law could be facing its first test. Donald Montanez, owner of a Tampa towing company, is charged with murder in the shooting of a man whose car was impounded. Prosecutors say Montanez fired as the man drove off without paying a fee. Montanez's attorney, Roger Rigau, says the new law should protect Montanez, who feared being hit by the driver. -
Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo - Need ALDA Info.
Marshall Booth wrote: There has been almost NO information about injection pump adjustment since the OM621 manual that was published in the '60s. About all I remember is a TSB detailing the adjustment of the OM603 governor for cars that wouldn't rev to redline.
Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars
My Mulrooney sticker for my 92 300D was $44,630 after the smoke silver paint and passenger airbag were included. Started at $42,950. On 3/21/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: Any source to find this out, in general? I heard $42,000 for the 87 300TD - plug that into the inflation calculator and it's $70,604 (2005 $) - that seems INSANE. Even without the inflation calculator - $42,000 in '87 was ALOT of money for a station wagon...even an MB. Thanks, After driving one for several days, I really didn't think that $42k for the best station wagon ever made was excessive in 1987. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] 190D needs 603
Kind of reminds me of the old Toyota minivans with most of the engine under a plastic cover between the front seats. Drove one on a used-car lot for a lark a few years back that smelled like burning oil something fierce, and you definitely knew it without having to pop the hood! Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper On 3/21/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BT, WRONG. You can probably remove the center console, cut a hole in the firewall and have the back half of the engine sitting up front with you. Marshall Booth wrote: OK Don wrote: Now here's a car that's just drying for a 603 engine and intercooler -- http://tinyurl.com/nsxtk Ain't NO way a 603 will fit. Even the 602 was tight. Marshall -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] stand your ground
Huh? On 3/21/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: blah blah guns blah guns blah blah blah Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (212k) '84 300D (211k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
Re: [MBZ] 190D needs 603
Mitch Haley wrote: OK Don wrote: It can't be much worse than putting an Olds V8 in an MGA -- BTDT. I'm not sure about a A, but it goes in a MGB relatively easily. Weren't there a few Rover/Buick V8 MGBs made by British Leyland? How about a 302 Ford in a W201? I've seen pics of that. I like the 302 Ford V-8 a lot. It's a great engine. I've always thought one of those Volvo 240 302 conversions would be fun to have, although I currently lack the time, money, and space to actually build one. David Brodbeck '83 300D Turbo
[MBZ] Fw: Fw: NASA Tech Briefs INSIDER 03/21/06
Begin forwarded message: Subject: Fw: NASA Tech Briefs INSIDER 03/21/06 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ACCIDENT-PROOF CARS Last week, Nissan Motor Co. introduced the Distance Control Assist System, which uses radar sensors in the front bumper and a computer to judge the car's speed and the distance to the car in front. If the driver releases the gas pedal or is not pressing the gas pedal, the system automatically applies the brakes. If the system senses that a crash is possible, and that braking is required, an indicator appears on the instrument panel, and a buzzer is sounded. The gas pedal then automatically rises under the driver's foot as a signal to apply the brakes. While some see the system as risky, Nissan claims more than half of all traffic accidents are caused by inattention, carelessness, and even drowsiness, rather than by poor judgment or speeding. Find out more at http://link.abpi.net/l.php?20060321A6 .
[MBZ] Mercedes getting pulled out of the snow in Poland ...
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Re: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation.
WTF?!? 38-40mpg? with a huge sail up front and that twister that got Dorothy and her little dog. Maybe. Gump is not making more than 30mpg, and she has nothing to rob engine power, is a stick and has a very strong engine. This is a seller on severe crack pipe withdrawl. On Sunday, March 19, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Donald Snook wrote: http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/142329858.html 1968 Mercedes-Benz 220 diesel - $4200 _ Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Benz%20220 %20diesel%20-%20$4200%20 Date: 2006-03-15, 11:34PM CST Vintage MZB in excellent original condition. 175,000 miles. New engine and transmission--60,000 miles ago. New paint. Interior leather. New tires. MPG 38-40 at cruising speed. 1-785-827-5468 * This item has been posted by-owner. * this is in or around Salina, Kansas * no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 190D needs 603
Marshall, you'll get no argument from me on that! I agree completely. Wy too much work (and expense!) to shoehorn a 603 into a W201. I once saw a V8 (M117, I believe) stuffed into a W201 as well. Pure insanity. :) -dm -- Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:50:05 -0500 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D needs 603 Slipping a 6 cylinder engine into a 201 chassis requires redesigning the chassis and then fabricating it. Sure it can be done, but it won't be cheap or easy. It would make a LOT more sense to slip a 603/606 engine into a chassis that it will fit into - a 124. Marshall
Re: [MBZ] Escort 8500 X50 Radar Detector
I believe that was Tricky Dick -- (55 mph years = Upyers jimmy caatah, the worst president in history) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon
had a really pleasant chat with Jim when he came by to get the hubcaps. Nice family and that 240D is a SUPERB car for what it is. I must bow down to Jim's ability to take dead iron and make it come back to life. The car got all the way to Seattle from Spokane and most likely will get even better on the way back. The super large tank in the trunk should give it an 800 mile range easy. He got paintless dent repair to the front fender and with the trim strip back on, it would be hard to tell it was hurt unless you get really close. He wants to get the AC back in and working, as well as CC to function well. If he sells over here, he can expect his base price of $2500 easy. This is not a Kansas 220D car, but a really nice example of the w123 in #3 condition. With a good rubbing out, a detailing, spit shine to the engine compartment, I think it could be a #2. No excess smoke or noise, just a great klatta klatta. Anybody interested in a car with some upgradability should consider it for a friend or relative. List members would want to take the next step in car care and cover the cosmetic items and get a timing chain in at the next valve adjustment. I think it has curb appeal, great example of a 10 footer, and better than many of the '79 cars I see available. Just my $0.02 On Sunday, March 19, 2006, at 02:50 PM, Zeitgeist wrote: A'yup! I still occasionally get folks stopping by out 'o' the blue to ask if my cars are for sale, or if I know where to find others. Craig's List apparently has turned into a gold mine for some high-power diesel sellers. I'd certainly sell yer rig over on this side of the divide, if'n you want top dollah and a quick movah. On 3/17/06, Woodlandtaylors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim, Put a for sale sign in the back window, my daughter said the late 70's and 80's MB diesels are fetching big bucks around Seattle - any comment Casey. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (212k) '84 300D (211k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Escort 8500 X50 Radar Detector
Many people seem to think that having a radar detector somehow makes them immune to tickets. If you think this way, (1) you'll end up getting tickets, and (2) your radar detector becomes a ticket announcer. It still requires a lot of common sense and reasonable/prudent speeds. You can't set the cruise on 90 in a 65 zone and sit back and relax, wait for a 'bep' and then casually slow down, expecting to cruise past the nice officer at 64. Don't work that way. Last ticket I got was 4 years ago, before I got my V-1... and that ticket also taught me that my speedometer was 4% slow (which I later verified with a GPS - D'OH!!). I now know exactly how far off each of my speedometers are... most are within 1-3% though. A little edumacation goes a long way. :) -dm -- Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:54:20 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Escort 8500 X50 Radar Detector Apparently looks don't mean much and I did have a Escort Passport and sold it after getting a ticket while on the interstate.
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Fw: NASA Tech Briefs INSIDER 03/21/06
Just imagine when that gizmo acts up. Yet another piece of electronics on a Japanese car that nobody knows how to fix. -Robert Craig McCluskey wrote: Begin forwarded message: Subject: Fw: NASA Tech Briefs INSIDER 03/21/06 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ACCIDENT-PROOF CARS Last week, Nissan Motor Co. introduced the Distance Control Assist System, which uses radar sensors in the front bumper and a computer to judge the car's speed and the distance to the car in front. If the driver releases the gas pedal or is not pressing the gas pedal, the system automatically applies the brakes. If the system senses that a crash is possible, and that braking is required, an indicator appears on the instrument panel, and a buzzer is sounded. The gas pedal then automatically rises under the driver's foot as a signal to apply the brakes. While some see the system as risky, Nissan claims more than half of all traffic accidents are caused by inattention, carelessness, and even drowsiness, rather than by poor judgment or speeding. Find out more at http://link.abpi.net/l.php?20060321A6 . ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] (no subject)
Look at these, or just use the delete key http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/144069636.html -- 92 SD $10k http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/144046336.html -- 82 SD $1600 http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/143941492.html -- 92 SEL $7200 http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/143898487.html -- 82 300D $3k http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/143891072.html -- 80 SD $2300 http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/143760367.html -- 79 TD for Jim ($800) http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/143720669.html -- 85 SD $3k http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/143696571.html -- 73 220D $4k http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/143644983.html -- 83 300D $3200 http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/143598099.html -- 69 280SE $32k http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/143572558.html -- 68 230 $500 http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/143525034.html -- 71 220 $3500 http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/143447624.html -- Mercedes Pinto $5k http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/143360814.html -- 350 SLC $6k euro http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/143265991.html -- 72 250c $4500 http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/143263874.html -- 75 w116 $1200 http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/143221518.html -- 85 300D $4200 http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/143196947.html -- Pimps ride http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/143149721.html -- 82 TD $5k http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/143077449.html -- 78 300D $3500 I will gladly check out any car here if you are serious about buying it. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Question about 1984 190D auto
That is just screaming Jim's name. He needs just that set up for his newest generator dream. I think that Kevin should purchase the 79 240D from him and let him get that 190 On Sunday, March 19, 2006, at 08:23 PM, kevin kraly wrote: I'm planning to go look at it, but first, I want to know if it's possible to fix rather than rebuild the tranny. It is staying in 1st gear. Is this a failure mode for that particular transmission? Here's the link to the ad. http://portland.craigslist.org/car/143342384.html Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Question about 1984 190D auto
I vote for totally gummed up transmission that has never seen a filter or fluid change. On Sunday, March 19, 2006, at 08:45 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote: Maybe just a fluid change to Mobile 1 ATF. Worked for my coupe that slipped outta gear in 1st and 2nd under light to moderate throttle. Now you can go full throttle from a dead stop and it won't slip. Cannot say enough good things about Mobile 1. Luther On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:23:03 -0600, kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm planning to go look at it, but first, I want to know if it's possible to fix rather than rebuild the tranny. It is staying in 1st gear. Is this a failure mode for that particular transmission? Here's the link to the ad. http://portland.craigslist.org/car/143342384.html Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] sp
My Mulrooney sticker Mulroney
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Fw: NASA Tech Briefs INSIDER 03/21/06
Japanese car, German car, American car - they are all going the same direction... Mercedes has been throttle by wire since at least the late 90's. The gas pedal operates a rheostat under the hood. Its not connected to the engine and the engine control computer decides how far to open the throttle. My Wife's 4WD Grand Cherokee has a stability system that keeps the vehicle on track in case of a skid the same system automatically locks out individual wheels if they slip. I took the car out to a snowy parking lot and could not make it do donuts - the car wouldn't let me! Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Tara Ludwick Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Fw: NASA Tech Briefs INSIDER 03/21/06 Just imagine when that gizmo acts up. Yet another piece of electronics on a Japanese car that nobody knows how to fix. -Robert Craig McCluskey wrote: Begin forwarded message: Subject: Fw: NASA Tech Briefs INSIDER 03/21/06 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ACCIDENT-PROOF CARS Last week, Nissan Motor Co. introduced the Distance Control Assist System, which uses radar sensors in the front bumper and a computer to judge the car's speed and the distance to the car in front. If the driver releases the gas pedal or is not pressing the gas pedal, the system automatically applies the brakes. If the system senses that a crash is possible, and that braking is required, an indicator appears on the instrument panel, and a buzzer is sounded. The gas pedal then automatically rises under the driver's foot as a signal to apply the brakes. While some see the system as risky, Nissan claims more than half of all traffic accidents are caused by inattention, carelessness, and even drowsiness, rather than by poor judgment or speeding. Find out more at http://link.abpi.net/l.php?20060321A6 . ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Biodegradable wiring
What years/models were affected by the biodegradable wiring? Craig
Re: [MBZ] 190D needs 603
I've always thought one of those Volvo 240 302 conversions would be fun to have, although I currently lack the time, money, and space to actually build one. Funny that this topic should come up, but there's currently a 1977 300D 302 conversion listed on Craigslist here in Portland, OR. http://portland.craigslist.org/car/143395236.html About 6 years ago, I was considering the purchase of an early 80's Volvo wagon that had a 302 in it. The guy wanted $800 for it, but the engine and interior were shot. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D just a waitin' for a 302, any takers?
Re: [MBZ] Question about 1984 190D auto
I think that Kevin should purchase the 79 240D from him and let him get that 190 I'll buy the 190D, free up the tranny, and trade Jim out of that 240D. Sound good? I'm going to look at it tomorrow since I have a free day. I've never entered W201 territory, but this may be my ticket. It would be sweet if the $1000 sunroof works too! Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D
Re: [MBZ] Question about 1984 190D auto
I vote for totally gummed up transmission that has never seen a filter or fluid change. Is there a way to clean out a transmission that has been subjected to a life of neglect? Would it be best to go through a couple change/flushes with cheap ATF and then fill her with some Mobil 1? Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220d
[MBZ] W124 squirrely rear end, Part II
Listers may perhaps recall that a few months back I complained about poor traction and rear wheel hop over bumps in my '87 300D. I had my indy replace the rear shocks, which were original, and the problem went away for a while. Now it's back. My indy has looked at the suspension closely and said that the only worn part worth replacing was the thrust arms, which he did a few days ago. He thought the subframe mounts might stand replacement if they are original, but was hesitant to do that unless it's the only option left. The symptoms are different now, but the car still handles strangely. Before replacing the thrust arms, the whole rear end of the car would bounce in one direction or the other over any bump. Now the car tracks straight over bumps that both rear wheels hit at the same time (like bridge expansion joints), but still bounces sideways when one wheel at a time hits something smaller (like a manhole cover or pothole). The symptoms are more pronounced the faster I'm going when I hit the bump. Today I had time to put the car up on ramps and look at the rear suspension myself. I pried at all the links with a big screwdriver, looking for obvious signs of looseness or free play. The torque struts and camber arms seem to move more easily at the wheel carrier end than do the new thrust arms or any of the other links, but I obviously don't have a brand-new 124 to compare to, so I'm not sure what anything in the suspension is supposed to feel like. Should the mounts be hard, like a pencil eraser, or soft and springy? Do they get hard and crack with age, or do they soften and compress more easily under load? The car passes the jack up one side and try to move the wheel around test---but is there any similar way to detect a more subtle failure of the links? Any suggestions on what I should do next to diagnose the handling problem? Should I just replace all the rear links on the assumption that they are all pretty old? How about the subframe mounts---is there any way to tell if they are the culprit before shelling out for R R of the subframe? (I realize I could buy all this stuff from Rusty and DIY for much less, but I don't have the time or facilities right now, and I don't mind letting my indy get his percentage once in a while for stuff that I can't do.) Thanks for any input, Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Fw: NASA Tech Briefs INSIDER 03/21/06
You do realize that Mercedes is pretty much the company that came out with this and has had it for years... Car and Driver has had a few blurbs on it. They say it's a bit unnerving at first, but if you let the system take control, you can follow about as closely as anyone ever would in heavy traffic (you can adjust the distance) and it will follow that distance, varying speed even including coming to a complete stop and starting up again... Cool, but a bit scary. All you have to do now is steer... Levi (: Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: Just imagine when that gizmo acts up. Yet another piece of electronics on a Japanese car that nobody knows how to fix. -Robert Craig McCluskey wrote: Begin forwarded message: Subject: Fw: NASA Tech Briefs INSIDER 03/21/06 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ACCIDENT-PROOF CARS Last week, Nissan Motor Co. introduced the Distance Control Assist System, which uses radar sensors in the front bumper and a computer to judge the car's speed and the distance to the car in front. If the driver releases the gas pedal or is not pressing the gas pedal, the system automatically applies the brakes. If the system senses that a crash is possible, and that braking is required, an indicator appears on the instrument panel, and a buzzer is sounded. The gas pedal then automatically rises under the driver's foot as a signal to apply the brakes. While some see the system as risky, Nissan claims more than half of all traffic accidents are caused by inattention, carelessness, and even drowsiness, rather than by poor judgment or speeding. Find out more at http://link.abpi.net/l.php?20060321A6 . ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Escort 8500 X50 Radar Detector
OK Don wrote: I believe that was Tricky Dick -- (55 mph years = Upyers jimmy caatah, the worst president in history) I think Don's right. Jimmy begat Joanie Clayfoot, who begat 85 mph speedometers and IIRC, airbags designed to work without seat belts that would take off your aorta if you sat too close to them.
Re: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation.
Best my 1979 240 D does with auto and only 78k miles is around 30mpg I often question this new math?? - Original Message - From: redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation. WTF?!? 38-40mpg? with a huge sail up front and that twister that got Dorothy and her little dog. Maybe. Gump is not making more than 30mpg, and she has nothing to rob engine power, is a stick and has a very strong engine. This is a seller on severe crack pipe withdrawl. On Sunday, March 19, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Donald Snook wrote: http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/142329858.html 1968 Mercedes-Benz 220 diesel - $4200 _ Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Benz%20220 %20diesel%20-%20$4200%20 Date: 2006-03-15, 11:34PM CST Vintage MZB in excellent original condition. 175,000 miles. New engine and transmission--60,000 miles ago. New paint. Interior leather. New tires. MPG 38-40 at cruising speed. 1-785-827-5468 * This item has been posted by-owner. * this is in or around Salina, Kansas * no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] BIG pile of parts for sale, and a huge plug for me
That makes my few parts on ebay absolutely pale (c: However, dont forget to search on MBZ280 over the next few weeks as I am cleaning out my garage of 113 114 115 and 123 parts, many new, and all starting at 0.99 each. FYI... no affiliation, etc... uhh.. oops, I guess that's not exactly true, is it (c: Cheers, Richard --- andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DROOL!!! Somebody lock me in the cellar until the auction ends. On 3/21/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Build Your Own SL Kit -- some assembly required. On 3/21/06, Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI... no affiliation, etc... just passing it along: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=8049348099 This has Kaleb written all over it, lol! =) -- Dave M. Boise, ID 1994 E500 - 95kmi (Q-ship) 1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] Escort 8500 X50 Radar Detector
Always seemed odd to me that probably our most intelligent president [IQ -wise] was the nuclear physicist with a photographic memory, Jimmy Carter, who did a decent job overseas but seemed to have little understanding of real-world USA. I have always liked him, though we couldn't live with the fiscal policies and social ideals he had. Regan I never liked, but he ended up doing a lot of good for the us. Don't get me started on W, who might actually have learned something after 6 years of his hair going white. Some combination of Carter, Regan, and Clinton [without a zipper in his pants] might be ideal - but not a possibility. Question seems to be how to deal politically with personal and corporate greed - My $.02 [to borrow a phrase]. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 'EM' 273k Delvac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Escort 8500 X50 Radar Detector I believe that was Tricky Dick -- (55 mph years = Upyers jimmy caatah, the worst president in history) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Escort 8500 X50 Radar Detector
So what if Tricky Bill got a BJ.Many other presidents have done worse.He shouldn't have lied.See the previous statement..So is this the deal?.The Carter part so we can get along with others and never forget, the Slick Willy to keep our economy stable and Ronnie Raygun to shoot the bad guys out of the skySounds good enough to me..They are getting pretty good at cloning and AI these days HH..This is way OT I guess but I already typed it, Mike - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Escort 8500 X50 Radar Detector Always seemed odd to me that probably our most intelligent president [IQ -wise] was the nuclear physicist with a photographic memory, Jimmy Carter, who did a decent job overseas but seemed to have little understanding of real-world USA. I have always liked him, though we couldn't live with the fiscal policies and social ideals he had. Regan I never liked, but he ended up doing a lot of good for the us. Don't get me started on W, who might actually have learned something after 6 years of his hair going white. Some combination of Carter, Regan, and Clinton [without a zipper in his pants] might be ideal - but not a possibility. Question seems to be how to deal politically with personal and corporate greed - My $.02 [to borrow a phrase]. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 'EM' 273k Delvac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Escort 8500 X50 Radar Detector I believe that was Tricky Dick -- (55 mph years = Upyers jimmy caatah, the worst president in history) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Escort 8500 X50 Radar Detector
Yeah - I was reaching for the delete key after I typed it and said the same thing ... During some of those years I did drive a 240D though [to include some MB topic]. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Canfield Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Escort 8500 X50 Radar Detector So what if Tricky Bill got a BJ.Many other presidents have done worse.He shouldn't have lied.See the previous statement..So is this the deal?.The Carter part so we can get along with others and never forget, the Slick Willy to keep our economy stable and Ronnie Raygun to shoot the bad guys out of the skySounds good enough to me..They are getting pretty good at cloning and AI these days HH..This is way OT I guess but I already typed it, Mike - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Escort 8500 X50 Radar Detector Always seemed odd to me that probably our most intelligent president [IQ -wise] was the nuclear physicist with a photographic memory, Jimmy Carter, who did a decent job overseas but seemed to have little understanding of real-world USA. I have always liked him, though we couldn't live with the fiscal policies and social ideals he had. Regan I never liked, but he ended up doing a lot of good for the us. Don't get me started on W, who might actually have learned something after 6 years of his hair going white. Some combination of Carter, Regan, and Clinton [without a zipper in his pants] might be ideal - but not a possibility. Question seems to be how to deal politically with personal and corporate greed - My $.02 [to borrow a phrase]. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 'EM' 273k Delvac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Escort 8500 X50 Radar Detector I believe that was Tricky Dick -- (55 mph years = Upyers jimmy caatah, the worst president in history) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 190D needs 603
Yes - it was a 215 turbo hooked to a close ratio 4 speed. Loads of fun to drive. I manufactured a lot of parts to make it work - had more time than money or sense back then. On 3/21/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was that an Olds 215 you shoehorned in there? I have a rubber bumper Midget and a very hot(no not that hot...this one has been hot tanked and runs cool) running 215 here that are going to make thier way into a toy one of these days..Should be a load of fun. Mike -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] 190D needs 603
Sounds sweet.Mike - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D needs 603 Yes - it was a 215 turbo hooked to a close ratio 4 speed. Loads of fun to drive. I manufactured a lot of parts to make it work - had more time than money or sense back then. On 3/21/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was that an Olds 215 you shoehorned in there? I have a rubber bumper Midget and a very hot(no not that hot...this one has been hot tanked and runs cool) running 215 here that are going to make thier way into a toy one of these days..Should be a load of fun. Mike -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil?
According to Mobile web site M-1 0W-30 is an approved Diesel oil is it approved for MBs? What are the mew codes for Diesel oil? (ie: CF) Im just about ready to go back to Delo 400 with all this confusion. At least I can get it through Costco Walt Lasher Seattle 1992 W-140 S350
Re: [MBZ] Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil?
I seem to remember some folks using approved 0-W-30 back when the other choice was 15-W-50. I am using the Truck/SUV at the moment (approved). On 3/22/06, W. Lasher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to Mobile web site M-1 0W-30 is an approved Diesel oil…is it approved for MB's? What are the mew codes for Diesel oil? (ie: CF) I'm just about ready to go back to Delo 400 with all this confusion. At least I can get it through Costco Walt Lasher Seattle 1992 W-140 S350 ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] W124 squirrely rear end, Part II
Alex, I'm not sure I can help much... but I do have photos of old vs. new subframe mounts. Check them out here, and compare to what's in yur car now: http://www.w124performance.com/images/W124_subframe/ :) -dm -- Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 01:19:47 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] W124 squirrely rear end, Part II Listers may perhaps recall that a few months back I complained about poor traction and rear wheel hop over bumps in my '87 300D. I had my indy replace the rear shocks, which were original, and the problem went away for a while. Now it's back. My indy has looked at the suspension closely and said that the only worn part worth replacing was the thrust arms, which he did a few days ago. He thought the subframe mounts might stand replacement if they are original, but was hesitant to do that unless it's the only option left. The symptoms are different now, but the car still handles strangely. Before replacing the thrust arms, the whole rear end of the car would bounce in one direction or the other over any bump. Now the car tracks straight over bumps that both rear wheels hit at the same time (like bridge expansion joints), but still bounces sideways when one wheel at a time hits something smaller (like a manhole cover or pothole). The symptoms are more pronounced the faster I'm going when I hit the bump. Today I had time to put the car up on ramps and look at the rear suspension myself. I pried at all the links with a big screwdriver, looking for obvious signs of looseness or free play. The torque struts and camber arms seem to move more easily at the wheel carrier end than do the new thrust arms or any of the other links, but I obviously don't have a brand-new 124 to compare to, so I'm not sure what anything in the suspension is supposed to feel like. Should the mounts be hard, like a pencil eraser, or soft and springy? Do they get hard and crack with age, or do they soften and compress more easily under load? The car passes the jack up one side and try to move the wheel around test---but is there any similar way to detect a more subtle failure of the links? Any suggestions on what I should do next to diagnose the handling problem? Should I just replace all the rear links on the assumption that they are all pretty old? How about the subframe mounts---is there any way to tell if they are the culprit before shelling out for R R of the subframe? (I realize I could buy all this stuff from Rusty and DIY for much less, but I don't have the time or facilities right now, and I don't mind letting my indy get his percentage once in a while for stuff that I can't do.) Thanks for any input, Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper
Re: [MBZ] Biodegradable wiring
Craig McCluskey wrote: What years/models were affected by the biodegradable wiring? The biodegradable wiring commenced with NEW configurations that were initiated in the early '90s. The W140 S class cars got biodegradable wiring in '92 when they were first introduced. The 124s got it in gasoline models when the M104 engines were incorporated. The diesels got it when the OM606 engine was introduced. 124s with M102/103 and OM601/602/603 engines never got them). I don't believe the 201 was ever afflicted. I don't know about the 202s. I haven't heard ANY reports of 202s suffering from bio-degradation (they have a very good record of reliability). As to when they ended - not sure they ever did (Mercedes are ALL equipped with biodegradable harnesses), but they seem to have been improved to the point where the caused fewer problems by 1996 or '97. The wiring harnesses that Mercedes sells today as replacements are said to be identical (they carry the same part number I'm told) to the ones originally installed, but are expected to last at least 10 years even under harsh conditions. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] W124 squirrely rear end, Part II
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Listers may perhaps recall that a few months back I complained about poor traction and rear wheel hop over bumps in my '87 300D. I had my indy replace the rear shocks, which were original, and the problem went away for a while. Now it's back. My indy has looked at the suspension closely and said that the only worn part worth replacing was the thrust arms, which he did a few days ago. He thought the subframe mounts might stand replacement if they are original, but was hesitant to do that unless it's the only option left. The symptoms are different now, but the car still handles strangely. Before replacing the thrust arms, the whole rear end of the car would bounce in one direction or the other over any bump. Now the car tracks straight over bumps that both rear wheels hit at the same time (like bridge expansion joints), but still bounces sideways when one wheel at a time hits something smaller (like a manhole cover or pothole). The symptoms are more pronounced the faster I'm going when I hit the bump. Today I had time to put the car up on ramps and look at the rear suspension myself. I pried at all the links with a big screwdriver, looking for obvious signs of looseness or free play. The torque struts and camber arms seem to move more easily at the wheel carrier end than do the new thrust arms or any of the other links, but I obviously don't have a brand-new 124 to compare to, so I'm not sure what anything in the suspension is supposed to feel like. Should the mounts be hard, like a pencil eraser, or soft and springy? Do they get hard and crack with age, or do they soften and compress more easily under load? The car passes the jack up one side and try to move the wheel around test---but is there any similar way to detect a more subtle failure of the links? Any suggestions on what I should do next to diagnose the handling problem? Should I just replace all the rear links on the assumption that they are all pretty old? How about the subframe mounts---is there any way to tell if they are the culprit before shelling out for R R of the subframe? (I realize I could buy all this stuff from Rusty and DIY for much less, but I don't have the time or facilities right now, and I don't mind letting my indy get his percentage once in a while for stuff that I can't do.) ALL of the rear links need to be replaced with the revised links in an '87 car. That's been the subject of a TSB (can't find it right now) that dates back at least to the early '90s. Simply replacing one or two that were obviously worn on each side is NOT sufficient. The temporary improvement suggests that this is VERY likely a major aspect of your problem, but there could be other wear as well in a 19 year old car. That doesn't mean that the subframe mounts are good, but it's the first step. The differential mount (if original) will be almost surely be shot in an '87 car. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars
I'm not much of an expert on station wagons, so I don't know what to comapre it too. I think I am biased becuase I love my 300SD so much that I fail to appreciate the TD. I DONT like the Al head, and the plasticky-ness of the interior. HOWEVER, it drives very well...my wife, who has never had a single ticket in her LIFE, got a 51 in a 35 the other day. She called me and her excuse, I was enjoying the drive My response, with a smile, I'm glad you like the car. Speeding is NOT in her blood, in fact she is really opposed to speeding...so it took that car to get it out of her! Even the struts for the rear door are ingenious. The strength and placement of them allow the back hatch to open REALLY REALLY high without any strut being in your way. Ingenious. Maybe it needs to grow on me. On the other hand, I sort of don't want it to grow on me cuz when we have a few more kids it's getting sold for a down payment on a passenger Sprinter. Chris Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: Any source to find this out, in general? I heard $42,000 for the 87 300TD - plug that into the inflation calculator and it's $70,604 (2005 $) - that seems INSANE. Even without the inflation calculator - $42,000 in '87 was ALOT of money for a station wagon...even an MB. Thanks, After driving one for several days, I really didn't think that $42k for the best station wagon ever made was excessive in 1987. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 22 15:02:09 2006 Received: from web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.200.66]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FM4qe-Oj-TS for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:02:09 + Received: (qmail 98145 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Mar 2006 15:02:05 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XC/ApfkTTB36hHIMecA3XT3akr8qngKPm8ZqpQMXRAfunbuJVTkehKSXwP4xNd6t6DWCoHn/ME5bldXRs9w+Mxnx3arD9wF2KbIYf2NcdB3FTqD1XW+4F/xyis8BA1EdEsU76SU49BVW6VxiqEb8AQ+jYKOzeACs76TRzgsyEzg= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [67.52.19.222] by web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:02:04 PST Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:02:04 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:02:09 - thanks for digging up that info Chuck - that's really incredible. Chris Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, I forgot to add something.. It's only cheaper if your salary/income has kept pace or exceeded the inflation rate.. Of course, I'm not including all the kids you might have had in between... ::) Take care, Chuck On Mar 21, 2006, at 4:47 PM, Christopher McCann wrote: Any source to find this out, in general? I heard $42,000 for the 87 300TD - plug that into the inflation calculator and it's $70,604 (2005 $) - that seems INSANE. Even without the inflation calculator - $42,000 in '87 was ALOT of money for a station wagon...even an MB. Thanks, Christopher McCann, Squier Park,
Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars
Levi Smith wrote: Speaking of MSRP's, I'm just curious... Anyone know what the MSRP was for an 83' 300D or something similar? I can't find my copy of the Mulroney right now, but I'm pretty sure my '82 300D was $32k and change, with no options. My '76 450SEL was $33k, decently optioned-up. Tom
Re: [MBZ] Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil?
W. Lasher wrote: According to Mobile web site M-1 0W-30 is an approved Diesel oil…is it approved for MB’s? What are the mew codes for Diesel oil? (ie: CF) I’m just about ready to go back to Delo 400 with all this confusion. At least I can get it through Costco According to Wolfgang's page that lists Mercedes oil recommendations: http://www.whnet.com/4x4/oil.html some oils which are NOT recommended: Mobil 1 SuperSyn 0W-30 SL/SJ/CF A1/B1/A5 9.7 doesn't meet 229.1 nor ACEA A2 or A3 Mobil 1 SuperSyn 5W-30 SL/SJ/CF A1/B1/A5 9.8 doesn't meet 229.1 nor ACEA A2 or A3 Mobil 1 SuperSyn 10W-30 SL/SJ/CF A1/B1/A5 10.1 doesn't meet 229.1 nor ACEA A2 or A3 These 3 oils do not meet MB spec of 3.5 cP for high temperature high shear strength. The Mobil 1 0W-40 IS most highly recommended however and meets the most severe criteria. Mobil 1 15W-50 Extended (while NOT yet recommended) is likely to be recommended (if it's ever tested) as it essentially the old approved 15W-50 formula with little more of the more expensive group V ester fraction added to the less expensive group IV PAO component. Mobil 1 Truck SUV has been reformulated as a 0W-30 oil, and is recommended ONLY for gasoline engines. There is a Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 formula (identical to the old TSUV and to Delvac 1) that is being manufactured, but I don't know of a single human that has actually seen it for sale anywhere. http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Turbo_Diesel_Truck_5W-40.aspx http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1.aspx Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars
My 86 SDL was in the 48K range. I have the window sticker downstairs from the OO At 09:02 AM 3/22/2006, you wrote: thanks for digging up that info Chuck - that's really incredible. Chris Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, I forgot to add something.. It's only cheaper if your salary/income has kept pace or exceeded the inflation rate.. Of course, I'm not including all the kids you might have had in between... ::) Take care, Chuck On Mar 21, 2006, at 4:47 PM, Christopher McCann wrote: Any source to find this out, in general? I heard $42,000 for the 87 300TD - plug that into the inflation calculator and it's $70,604 (2005 $) - that seems INSANE. Even without the inflation calculator - $42,000 in '87 was ALOT of money for a station wagon...even an MB. Thanks, Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil?
Short answer: NO. Long answer: MB approved oils are xW-40 or xW-50. Anything xW-30 is too thin, no matter what silly rating is on the bottle, or what Mobil claims on the label. Also, the current M-1 Truck SUV is NOT approved, as it is 5W-30, and therefore too thin. You want the new M-1 Turbo Diesel Truck variety, which is 5W-40. Stick with either the 5W-40 or 15W-50 if you use Mobil-1. -dm -- Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:35:29 -0600 From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil? I seem to remember some folks using approved 0-W-30 back when the other choice was 15-W-50. I am using the Truck/SUV at the moment (approved). On 3/22/06, W. Lasher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to Mobile web site M-1 0W-30 is an approved Diesel oil?is it approved for MB's? What are the mew codes for Diesel oil? (ie: CF) I'm just about ready to go back to Delo 400 with all this confusion. At least I can get it through Costco Walt Lasher Seattle 1992 W-140 S350
Re: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation.
Heck, if I do the going-to-put-it-on-ebay-math, I get 52mpg with my 300D!! Also, on a slightly related note, bio suddenly dropped to $2.609 on the only pump in Phoenix. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 150K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation. Best my 1979 240 D does with auto and only 78k miles is around 30mpg I often question this new math?? - Original Message - From: redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation. WTF?!? 38-40mpg? with a huge sail up front and that twister that got Dorothy and her little dog. Maybe. Gump is not making more than 30mpg, and she has nothing to rob engine power, is a stick and has a very strong engine. This is a seller on severe crack pipe withdrawl. On Sunday, March 19, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Donald Snook wrote: http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/142329858.html 1968 Mercedes-Benz 220 diesel - $4200 _ Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Benz%20220 %20diesel%20-%20$4200%20 Date: 2006-03-15, 11:34PM CST Vintage MZB in excellent original condition. 175,000 miles. New engine and transmission--60,000 miles ago. New paint. Interior leather. New tires. MPG 38-40 at cruising speed. 1-785-827-5468 * This item has been posted by-owner. * this is in or around Salina, Kansas * no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil?
Marshall Went out to the garage to review the labels on the 5 qt jugs I have - I'm one person that has a stock of Truck and SUV 5W -40 (yellow capped) and Extended performance 15W-50 performance Vancouver Washington Walmart may be 6 months - year ago. Dennis T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marshall Booth Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 7:37 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil? Mobil 1 Truck SUV has been reformulated as a 0W-30 oil, and is recommended ONLY for gasoline engines. There is a Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 formula (identical to the old TSUV and to Delvac 1) that is being manufactured, but I don't know of a single human that has actually seen it for sale anywhere. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.6/287 - Release Date: 3/21/2006
[MBZ] HF Diesel Compression Tester: $17
FYI: I dropped by my local Harbor Freight yesterday to browse the aisles while waiting for wife's doc appointment. They had a diesel compression tester on sale for $17. It appeared to have quite a few adapters, one of which must fit the MB/VW injectors. YMMV -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (212k) '84 300D (211k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
[MBZ] O.T. Bradley
Hey Luther/Dr. Loren... How 'bout them Braves? Bob Rentfro
Re: [MBZ] W124 squirrely rear end, Part II
Thanks, Dave. Those new mounts are obviously quite a different design than the old ones---the old ones seem to be solid rubber while the new ones are reinforced with metal, is that right? Do you have any idea when the switch occurred? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper On 3/22/06, Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex, I'm not sure I can help much... but I do have photos of old vs. new subframe mounts. Check them out here, and compare to what's in yur car now: http://www.w124performance.com/images/W124_subframe/ :) -dm -- Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 01:19:47 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] W124 squirrely rear end, Part II Listers may perhaps recall that a few months back I complained about poor traction and rear wheel hop over bumps in my '87 300D. I had my indy replace the rear shocks, which were original, and the problem went away for a while. Now it's back. My indy has looked at the suspension closely and said that the only worn part worth replacing was the thrust arms, which he did a few days ago. He thought the subframe mounts might stand replacement if they are original, but was hesitant to do that unless it's the only option left. The symptoms are different now, but the car still handles strangely. Before replacing the thrust arms, the whole rear end of the car would bounce in one direction or the other over any bump. Now the car tracks straight over bumps that both rear wheels hit at the same time (like bridge expansion joints), but still bounces sideways when one wheel at a time hits something smaller (like a manhole cover or pothole). The symptoms are more pronounced the faster I'm going when I hit the bump. Today I had time to put the car up on ramps and look at the rear suspension myself. I pried at all the links with a big screwdriver, looking for obvious signs of looseness or free play. The torque struts and camber arms seem to move more easily at the wheel carrier end than do the new thrust arms or any of the other links, but I obviously don't have a brand-new 124 to compare to, so I'm not sure what anything in the suspension is supposed to feel like. Should the mounts be hard, like a pencil eraser, or soft and springy? Do they get hard and crack with age, or do they soften and compress more easily under load? The car passes the jack up one side and try to move the wheel around test---but is there any similar way to detect a more subtle failure of the links? Any suggestions on what I should do next to diagnose the handling problem? Should I just replace all the rear links on the assumption that they are all pretty old? How about the subframe mounts---is there any way to tell if they are the culprit before shelling out for R R of the subframe? (I realize I could buy all this stuff from Rusty and DIY for much less, but I don't have the time or facilities right now, and I don't mind letting my indy get his percentage once in a while for stuff that I can't do.) Thanks for any input, Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley
On 3/22/06 10:17 AM, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Luther/Dr. Loren... How 'bout them Braves? Bob Rentfro Hey what about me??? I'm paying for my daughter to go there now! -- +-- GG 1997 SL500 (101k) http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm http://homepage.mac.com/deneals +--
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley
George reminded us: Hey what about me??? I'm paying for my daughter to go there now! Then WOO HOO to you too. Bob Rentfro FROM Peoria - Original Message - From: George Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley On 3/22/06 10:17 AM, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Luther/Dr. Loren... How 'bout them Braves? Bob Rentfro -- +-- GG 1997 SL500 (101k) http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm http://homepage.mac.com/deneals +-- ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil?
What about 5w30 or 5w40? ~I seem to remember some folks using approved 0-W-30 back when the other ~choice was 15-W-50. I am using the Truck/SUV at the moment (approved). ~ ~On 3/22/06, W. Lasher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ~ ~ According to Mobile web site M-1 0W-30 ~ is an approved Diesel oil is it approved for MB's? ~ What are the mew codes for Diesel oil? ~ (ie: CF) I'm just about ready to go back to Delo 400 with all this ~ confusion. ~ At least I can get it through Costco ~ Walt Lasher ~ Seattle ~ 1992 W-140 S350 ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley
On 3/22/06 11:40 AM, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Rentfro FROM Peoria So I'm going up there for Spring parent weekend April 7. Where's the best place to say? I'm booked now at the PEORIA-CITY CENTRE Holiday Inn because they have a garage. I know the Pierre Marquette has a garage, but the hotel is being remodeled right now. (Besides, I get points at Holiday Inn. Any advice appreciated. -- +-- GG 1997 SL500 (101k) http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm http://homepage.mac.com/deneals +--
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley
Huh? ~Hey Luther/Dr. Loren... ~How 'bout them Braves? ~ ~Bob Rentfro -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars
Levi Smith wrote: Speaking of MSRP's, I'm just curious... Anyone know what the MSRP was for an 83' 300D or something similar? My '82 300TD had a list price of about $32,000 and my '85 was a little higher ($34k as I recall but I don't have the papers any more). The '82 300D sedan was just under $30k at the beginning of the year and increased to just over $30k in Sept. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil?
Luther Gulseth wrote: What about 5w30 or 5w40? M-1 xW-30 (where the x can be 0, 5, 10 or 15) is NOT suitable. xW-40 or xW-50 IS suitable. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley
Uh, I remember knowBradley.they're busting my bracket to pieces ~George reminded us: ~ ~Hey what about me??? ~ I'm paying for my daughter to go there now! ~ ~Then WOO HOO to you too. ~ ~Bob Rentfro ~FROM Peoria ~ ~ ~ ~ On 3/22/06 10:17 AM, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ~ ~ Hey Luther/Dr. Loren... ~ How 'bout them Braves? ~ ~ Bob Rentfro ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley/Peoria
Double G typed: So I'm going up there for Spring parent weekend April 7. Where's the best place to say? I'm booked now at the PEORIA-CITY CENTRE Holiday Inn because they have a garage. I know the Pierre Marquette has a garage, but the hotel is being remodeled right now. (Besides, I get points at Holiday Inn. Not sure...I haven't been back since last summer. I imagine the Holiday Inn is very nice. Where do the people coordinating the parents weekend suggest you stay? Speaking of the Pierre Marquette My grandmother worked in housekeeping at the Pierre Marquette starting in the '30s all the way into the '70s. She was eventually run out because she tried to unionize the housekeepers. My maternal grandmother worked for many years at the Hiram Walker's Distillery. Two tough old gals right there. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 150K Litchfield Park, AZ
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley
The Bradley Braves are doing well in the NCAA Basketball Tournament. Thought you might be marginally glad for their success. You did some time in Peoria, correct? Wait...I could be making that up. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley Huh? ~Hey Luther/Dr. Loren... ~How 'bout them Braves? ~ ~Bob Rentfro -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil?
I have been searching the product data sheet library at the ExxonMobil web site for the specs on the new Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 formula and have been unable to find any specs. What is your source for concluding that it is (or will be) identical to the old TSUV and to Delvac 1. Also, I read a press release in which ExxonMobil said that the new Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 would be in the retail stores by the middle of April this year. JP - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil? W. Lasher wrote: According to Mobile web site M-1 0W-30 is an approved Diesel oil…is it approved for MB’s? What are the mew codes for Diesel oil? (ie: CF) I’m just about ready to go back to Delo 400 with all this confusion. At least I can get it through Costco According to Wolfgang's page that lists Mercedes oil recommendations: http://www.whnet.com/4x4/oil.html some oils which are NOT recommended: Mobil 1 SuperSyn 0W-30 SL/SJ/CF A1/B1/A5 9.7 doesn't meet 229.1 nor ACEA A2 or A3 Mobil 1 SuperSyn 5W-30 SL/SJ/CF A1/B1/A5 9.8 doesn't meet 229.1 nor ACEA A2 or A3 Mobil 1 SuperSyn 10W-30 SL/SJ/CF A1/B1/A5 10.1 doesn't meet 229.1 nor ACEA A2 or A3 These 3 oils do not meet MB spec of 3.5 cP for high temperature high shear strength. The Mobil 1 0W-40 IS most highly recommended however and meets the most severe criteria. Mobil 1 15W-50 Extended (while NOT yet recommended) is likely to be recommended (if it's ever tested) as it essentially the old approved 15W-50 formula with little more of the more expensive group V ester fraction added to the less expensive group IV PAO component. Mobil 1 Truck SUV has been reformulated as a 0W-30 oil, and is recommended ONLY for gasoline engines. There is a Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 formula (identical to the old TSUV and to Delvac 1) that is being manufactured, but I don't know of a single human that has actually seen it for sale anywhere. http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Turbo_Diesel_Truck _5W-40.aspx http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1.aspx Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Fw: Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil?
- Original Message - From: John P English [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil? I have been searching the product data sheet library at the ExxonMobil web site for the specs on the new Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 formula and have been unable to find any specs. What is your source for concluding that it is (or will be) identical to the old TSUV and to Delvac 1. Also, I read a press release in which ExxonMobil said that the new Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 would be in the retail stores by the middle of April this year. JP - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil? W. Lasher wrote: According to Mobile web site M-1 0W-30 is an approved Diesel oil…is it approved for MB’s? What are the mew codes for Diesel oil? (ie: CF) I’m just about ready to go back to Delo 400 with all this confusion. At least I can get it through Costco According to Wolfgang's page that lists Mercedes oil recommendations: http://www.whnet.com/4x4/oil.html some oils which are NOT recommended: Mobil 1 SuperSyn 0W-30 SL/SJ/CF A1/B1/A5 9.7 doesn't meet 229.1 nor ACEA A2 or A3 Mobil 1 SuperSyn 5W-30 SL/SJ/CF A1/B1/A5 9.8 doesn't meet 229.1 nor ACEA A2 or A3 Mobil 1 SuperSyn 10W-30 SL/SJ/CF A1/B1/A5 10.1 doesn't meet 229.1 nor ACEA A2 or A3 These 3 oils do not meet MB spec of 3.5 cP for high temperature high shear strength. The Mobil 1 0W-40 IS most highly recommended however and meets the most severe criteria. Mobil 1 15W-50 Extended (while NOT yet recommended) is likely to be recommended (if it's ever tested) as it essentially the old approved 15W-50 formula with little more of the more expensive group V ester fraction added to the less expensive group IV PAO component. Mobil 1 Truck SUV has been reformulated as a 0W-30 oil, and is recommended ONLY for gasoline engines. There is a Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 formula (identical to the old TSUV and to Delvac 1) that is being manufactured, but I don't know of a single human that has actually seen it for sale anywhere. http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Turbo_Diesel_Truck _5W-40.aspx http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1.aspx Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars
Chris M. wrote: I heard $42,000 for the 87 300TD - plug that into the inflation calculator and it's $70,604 (2005 $) - that seems INSANE. Even without the inflation calculator - $42,000 in '87 was ALOT of money for a station wagon...even an MB. If you think that is crazy, I have the original window sticker for my car (1990 300SEL) and it was over 54K (IIRC) in 1990. Now, that is crazy Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 125K
[MBZ] Fw: Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil?
- Original Message - From: John P English [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil? I have been searching the product data sheet library at the ExxonMobil web site for the specs on the new Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 formula and have been unable to find any specs. What is your source for concluding that it is (or will be) identical to the old TSUV and to Delvac 1. Also, I read a press release in which ExxonMobil said that the new Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 would be in the retail stores by the middle of April this year. JP - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil? W. Lasher wrote: According to Mobile web site M-1 0W-30 is an approved Diesel oil…is it approved for MB’s? What are the mew codes for Diesel oil? (ie: CF) I’m just about ready to go back to Delo 400 with all this confusion. At least I can get it through Costco According to Wolfgang's page that lists Mercedes oil recommendations: http://www.whnet.com/4x4/oil.html some oils which are NOT recommended: Mobil 1 SuperSyn 0W-30 SL/SJ/CF A1/B1/A5 9.7 doesn't meet 229.1 nor ACEA A2 or A3 Mobil 1 SuperSyn 5W-30 SL/SJ/CF A1/B1/A5 9.8 doesn't meet 229.1 nor ACEA A2 or A3 Mobil 1 SuperSyn 10W-30 SL/SJ/CF A1/B1/A5 10.1 doesn't meet 229.1 nor ACEA A2 or A3 These 3 oils do not meet MB spec of 3.5 cP for high temperature high shear strength. The Mobil 1 0W-40 IS most highly recommended however and meets the most severe criteria. Mobil 1 15W-50 Extended (while NOT yet recommended) is likely to be recommended (if it's ever tested) as it essentially the old approved 15W-50 formula with little more of the more expensive group V ester fraction added to the less expensive group IV PAO component. Mobil 1 Truck SUV has been reformulated as a 0W-30 oil, and is recommended ONLY for gasoline engines. There is a Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 formula (identical to the old TSUV and to Delvac 1) that is being manufactured, but I don't know of a single human that has actually seen it for sale anywhere. http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Turbo_Diesel_Truck _5W-40.aspx http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1.aspx Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Smart cars coming to US
What's B service, John? On 3/21/06, John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well being from Canada I can say a Smart at a cost of 20-25K cdn, say 15-20K USA is, well a 15-20K car. If you pay 75K for a E or S class benz it's quite a different vehicle and with a different comfort level. Still it gets a zillion miles to the gallon, and the owners I know say it hasn't incurred costs, however some are unhappy with the cost of B service, still people using it, either folks having to commute dozens of miles per day or kids under the age of 20 are quite happy with it. I'll lastly note the smart that likely will come to the USA won't be the Smart sold in Canada since it's being reengineered. I though I read somewhere the diesel would be replaced by a product from Suzuki, but I can't find the link. On 21-Mar-06, at 10:08 AM, Christopher McCann wrote: I don't know much about them, but I would be interested in any affordable (relative - MB's will always be more $) MB that is built on the basis of HIGH QUALITY (what I'm willing to pay extra for) and not on conspicuous consumption, 87 zone climate controls, heated AND chilled seats, and 24 position head rests. A diesel Smart, with roll down windows, manual seat adjustment and made TO LAST - in THAT, I would be interested. Chris (not holding breath) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] sp
The former Canadian PM?? On 3/22/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Mulrooney sticker Mulroney ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley
Go Colonials! Oops, they were Duked last weekend... On 3/22/06, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Bradley Braves are doing well in the NCAA Basketball Tournament. Thought you might be marginally glad for their success. You did some time in Peoria, correct? Wait...I could be making that up. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley Huh? ~Hey Luther/Dr. Loren... ~How 'bout them Braves? ~ ~Bob Rentfro -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley
I have no connection to Bradley, other than the distruction they are causing my bracket. ~The Bradley Braves are doing well in the NCAA Basketball Tournament. ~Thought you might be marginally glad for their success. ~You did some time in Peoria, correct? Wait...I could be making that up. ~ ~Bob Rentfro ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil?
I have been cleaning out the shelves of the old Truck/SUV (5-W-40 I think) whenever I find it. On 3/22/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther Gulseth wrote: What about 5w30 or 5w40? M-1 xW-30 (where the x can be 0, 5, 10 or 15) is NOT suitable. xW-40 or xW-50 IS suitable. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley
Would it be imprudent to mention that I spent two years at George Mason University (compliments of the Coast Guard)? On 3/22/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go Colonials! Oops, they were Duked last weekend... On 3/22/06, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Bradley Braves are doing well in the NCAA Basketball Tournament. Thought you might be marginally glad for their success. You did some time in Peoria, correct? Wait...I could be making that up. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley Huh? ~Hey Luther/Dr. Loren... ~How 'bout them Braves? ~ ~Bob Rentfro -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 4, Issue 163
MSRP of our Cars My 1983 380 SEC listed at $54,000 in NYC off the docks. I believe this was the most costly of the US cars of that year. And AFIK it was worth every penny It still does a great job and looks far better than most cars one sees running around Fort Lauderdale. New MBs, BMWs,Lexii, and the others don't show much better than my old gold coupe. Bill Aston Fort Lauderdale - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Mercedes Digest, Vol 4, Issue 163 Send Mercedes mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Mercedes digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: MSRP's of our old cars (Levi Smith) 2. Re: MSRP's of our old cars (tom savage) 3. Re: Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil? (Marshall Booth) 4. Re: MSRP's of our old cars (Loren Faeth) 5. Re: Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil? (Dave M.) 6. Re: 220D on Craigslist no affiliation. (Bob Rentfro) 7. Re: Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil? (Woodlandtaylors) 8. HF Diesel Compression Tester: $17 (Zeitgeist) 9. O.T. Bradley (Bob Rentfro) 10. Re: W124 squirrely rear end, Part II (Alex Chamberlain) 11. Re: O.T. Bradley (George Gregory) 12. Re: O.T. Bradley (Bob Rentfro) 13. Re: Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil? (Luther Gulseth) 14. Re: O.T. Bradley (George Gregory) 15. Re: O.T. Bradley (Luther Gulseth) 16. Re: MSRP's of our old cars (Marshall Booth) 17. Re: Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil? (Marshall Booth) 18. Re: O.T. Bradley (Luther Gulseth) 19. Re: O.T. Bradley/Peoria (Bob Rentfro) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:09:34 -0500 From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Speaking of MSRP's, I'm just curious... Anyone know what the MSRP was for an 83' 300D or something similar? Thanks! Levi (: Christopher McCann wrote: I'm not much of an expert on station wagons, so I don't know what to comapre it too. I think I am biased becuase I love my 300SD so much that I fail to appreciate the TD. I DONT like the Al head, and the plasticky-ness of the interior. HOWEVER, it drives very well...my wife, who has never had a single ticket in her LIFE, got a 51 in a 35 the other day. She called me and her excuse, I was enjoying the drive My response, with a smile, I'm glad you like the car. Speeding is NOT in her blood, in fact she is really opposed to speeding...so it took that car to get it out of her! Even the struts for the rear door are ingenious. The strength and placement of them allow the back hatch to open REALLY REALLY high without any strut being in your way. Ingenious. Maybe it needs to grow on me. On the other hand, I sort of don't want it to grow on me cuz when we have a few more kids it's getting sold for a down payment on a passenger Sprinter. Chris Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: Any source to find this out, in general? I heard $42,000 for the 87 300TD - plug that into the inflation calculator and it's $70,604 (2005 $) - that seems INSANE. Even without the inflation calculator - $42,000 in '87 was ALOT of money for a station wagon...even an MB. Thanks, After driving one for several days, I really didn't think that $42k for the best station wagon ever made was excessive in 1987. Marshall -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:16:49 -0600 From: tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Levi Smith wrote: Speaking of MSRP's, I'm just curious... Anyone know what the MSRP was for an 83' 300D or something similar? I can't find my copy of the Mulroney right now, but I'm pretty sure my '82 300D was $32k and change, with no options. My '76 450SEL was $33k, decently optioned-up. Tom -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:36:33 -0500 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil? To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed W. Lasher wrote: According to Mobile web site M-1 0W-30 is an approved Diesel oil?is it approved for MB?s? What are the mew codes
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil?
John P English wrote: - Original Message - From: John P English [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil? I have been searching the product data sheet library at the ExxonMobil web site for the specs on the new Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 formula and have been unable to find any specs. What is your source for concluding that it is (or will be) identical to the old TSUV and to Delvac 1. Also, I read a press release in which ExxonMobil said that the new Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 would be in the retail stores by the middle of April this year. The tribologists at Mobil said it was the same oil. If they lied, then I'm wrong. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley
Ugh, yet another bracke buster ~Would it be imprudent to mention that I spent two years at George Mason ~University (compliments of the Coast Guard)? ~ ~On 3/22/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ~ ~ Go Colonials! ~ ~ Oops, they were Duked last weekend... ~ ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars
Think I remember seeing the MSRP of my 1990 350SDL at around $66K from the original ownerI'll check tonight. Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532); 2070 Rt. 52; Hopewell Junction, N.Y. 12533
Re: [MBZ] W124 squirrely rear end, Part II
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Thanks, Dave. Those new mounts are obviously quite a different design than the old ones---the old ones seem to be solid rubber while the new ones are reinforced with metal, is that right? Do you have any idea when the switch occurred? Changes were made in the links both in 1989 and in 1991. Only the revised links are presently available. The subframe mounts have been modified several times as well, but I don't know their history. I expect that listing might be contained (up to the early '90s) in the rear axle (35) section of the chassis manual under Technical modifications. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] return line from air filter
Yes, I have the same problem. It looks like it was a forced fit type of connection. mine comes loose and blows oil all over. After a few days go by, I swear it pumps out a quart or so (cumilitive) not to sure how to as it looks like its a small 2 inch nipple on the air filter houseing that fits into a steel tub that goes to the oil pan This steel tub is loos and I'm not sure how to get it all tight again! Anyway, I first thought it was my turbo seals, but I found out is was this oil return... a much easier and cost effective fix Now if I just can fix it! --- Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had one that came in half. Rusty found a replacement after a lot of describing and insisting it's not the turbo drain. The seals at top and bottom are identical O-rings. I found them them pictured in a Performance catalogue - Seal Ring - Oil Drain Tube to Oil Pan. On 3/18/06, Richard Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems so much like something I should have known ages ago that I wondered if I should register under a pseudonym before asking. I'm trying to take care of some of the oil leaks on our 82 300TDt while I'm finishing the new oil cooler lines and motor mounts. A piece of the tube (return line (?)) that attaches to the bottom of the air filter housing had disintergrated and I managed to patch it with hose and clamps that held for a long time. Since I had never taken it off I am not sure how it should go on. Should there be some type of hose or gromet to hold it to the air filter housing? And at the bottom? Even on the parts car there is nothing where the tube is supposed to attach to the housing and the pan. When I patched it I also put a piece of hose over the top end and clamped it to the filter housing. That seemed to do the job for a long time but I would like to get it right. I don't know if this is a source of a lot of oil that has recently accumlated on that side of the engine or not. Richard Murdoch 82 300TDt 82 240D ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] Smart cars coming to US
http://houston-north.mercedescenter.com/mbcenter/b/services/ servicespecials.jhtml Think of oil change, versus oil change, air filter change, transmission fluid change, diagnostics etc etc. We do that on basis of milage, but with Flexible service it's done on service cycles. I understand B service can run $200 to 400. Here the local dealer charges on the order of $235cdn In reading between the lines some smart car owners come unglued for what they feel is a $300 oil change, mind what really happens is the tech who likely get charged out at $100 an hour inspect the entire drive train etc for issues, so 1 1/2 hours for labor and $50+ for parts wouldn't be uncommon. In the far past an owner might have taken that responsibility, however today perhaps the hood is never opened. A B service on my S Class runs upwards of $600, unless they find something electronic made by Bosch that has packed it in... On 22-Mar-06, at 10:46 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: What's B service, John? On 3/21/06, John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well being from Canada I can say a Smart at a cost of 20-25K cdn, say 15-20K USA is, well a 15-20K car. If you pay 75K for a E or S class benz it's quite a different vehicle and with a different comfort level. Still it gets a zillion miles to the gallon, and the owners I know say it hasn't incurred costs, however some are unhappy with the cost of B service, still people using it, either folks having to commute dozens of miles per day or kids under the age of 20 are quite happy with it. I'll lastly note the smart that likely will come to the USA won't be the Smart sold in Canada since it's being reengineered. I though I read somewhere the diesel would be replaced by a product from Suzuki, but I can't find the link. John 1983 300TDt 362k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990 300TDt 164k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 172k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Is M-1 0W-30 approved MB oil?
Didn't someone say, Mobil was all about Chemistry, and Exxon was all about Marketing. Chemistry takes time, Marketing is an afternoon decision. I'll expect Exxon to do a Mobil oil of the month packaging... Same oil, just different marketing. On 22-Mar-06, at 11:06 AM, Marshall Booth wrote: The tribologists at Mobil said it was the same oil. If they lied, then I'm wrong. Marshall -- === John M. McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-800-477-2659 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ===
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley
You are suggesting it was different than Bob Jones U in some way?? BillR Jacksonville FL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LT Don Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley Would it be imprudent to mention that I spent two years at George Mason University (compliments of the Coast Guard)? On 3/22/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go Colonials! Oops, they were Duked last weekend... On 3/22/06, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Bradley Braves are doing well in the NCAA Basketball Tournament. Thought you might be marginally glad for their success. You did some time in Peoria, correct? Wait...I could be making that up. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley Huh? ~Hey Luther/Dr. Loren... ~How 'bout them Braves? ~ ~Bob Rentfro -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley
Somewhat. Life was much more fun as a 30-something LTJG at GMU than it was as a teenager at BJU. On 3/22/06, BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are suggesting it was different than Bob Jones U in some way?? BillR Jacksonville FL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LT Don Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley Would it be imprudent to mention that I spent two years at George Mason University (compliments of the Coast Guard)? On 3/22/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go Colonials! Oops, they were Duked last weekend... On 3/22/06, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Bradley Braves are doing well in the NCAA Basketball Tournament. Thought you might be marginally glad for their success. You did some time in Peoria, correct? Wait...I could be making that up. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley Huh? ~Hey Luther/Dr. Loren... ~How 'bout them Braves? ~ ~Bob Rentfro -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley
You were probably allowed to have hair touching your collar and perhaps a moustache (gasp!) at George Mason. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley You are suggesting it was different than Bob Jones U in some way?? BillR Jacksonville FL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LT Don Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley Would it be imprudent to mention that I spent two years at George Mason University (compliments of the Coast Guard)? On 3/22/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go Colonials! Oops, they were Duked last weekend... On 3/22/06, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Bradley Braves are doing well in the NCAA Basketball Tournament. Thought you might be marginally glad for their success. You did some time in Peoria, correct? Wait...I could be making that up. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley Huh? ~Hey Luther/Dr. Loren... ~How 'bout them Braves? ~ ~Bob Rentfro -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley
Come to think of it, I didn't stand too many personnel inspections during that two year period. :-) On 3/22/06, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You were probably allowed to have hair touching your collar and perhaps a moustache (gasp!) at George Mason. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley You are suggesting it was different than Bob Jones U in some way?? BillR Jacksonville FL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LT Don Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley Would it be imprudent to mention that I spent two years at George Mason University (compliments of the Coast Guard)? On 3/22/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go Colonials! Oops, they were Duked last weekend... On 3/22/06, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Bradley Braves are doing well in the NCAA Basketball Tournament. Thought you might be marginally glad for their success. You did some time in Peoria, correct? Wait...I could be making that up. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley Huh? ~Hey Luther/Dr. Loren... ~How 'bout them Braves? ~ ~Bob Rentfro -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] Mulroney
The former Canadian PM?? On 3/22/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Mulrooney sticker Mulroney That was Mulroney pronounced Mulrooney. According to CTV. RLE
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley
So are George Mason students called Masonites and Masonettes? Masonians? Freemasons? Georges and Georgettes? On 3/22/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come to think of it, I didn't stand too many personnel inspections during that two year period. :-) On 3/22/06, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You were probably allowed to have hair touching your collar and perhaps a moustache (gasp!) at George Mason. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley You are suggesting it was different than Bob Jones U in some way?? BillR Jacksonville FL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LT Don Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley Would it be imprudent to mention that I spent two years at George Mason University (compliments of the Coast Guard)? On 3/22/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go Colonials! Oops, they were Duked last weekend... On 3/22/06, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Bradley Braves are doing well in the NCAA Basketball Tournament. Thought you might be marginally glad for their success. You did some time in Peoria, correct? Wait...I could be making that up. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley Huh? ~Hey Luther/Dr. Loren... ~How 'bout them Braves? ~ ~Bob Rentfro -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] W124 squirrely rear end, Part II
Alex, It's not obvious in the photos, but the old mounts are also metal and rubber. The new mounts that I got are the Sportline rear and late W124 front, which are a slightly different design than the early fronts (I just liked the newer version better, and they fit all 124's.) The main thing to notice is how the subframe sags on the old, cracked mounts. With the new mounts, almost no sagging... the subframe is locked much more tightly to the body. I can tell you that replacing the mounts is not fun, even with the proper tools, at least with the subframe in the car. If the subframe was removed, it would be much easier. If you intend to rebuild the subframe yourself by changing all the links mounts, I'd pull the whole thing out. I intend to do that when I fix mine (probably next winter). Here's a procedure showing a DIY forward bushing swap: http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/W124/subframe_bushing_install.pdf (6MB PDF file with lots of pretty pictures) :-) -Dave M. -- Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:31:18 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 squirrely rear end, Part II Thanks, Dave. Those new mounts are obviously quite a different design than the old ones---the old ones seem to be solid rubber while the new ones are reinforced with metal, is that right? Do you have any idea when the switch occurred? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper On 3/22/06, Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex, I'm not sure I can help much... but I do have photos of old vs. new subframe mounts. Check them out here, and compare to what's in yur car now: http://www.w124performance.com/images/W124_subframe/ :) -dm
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Bradley
Most of them are referred to as NoVA Yuppies. On 3/22/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So are George Mason students called Masonites and Masonettes? Masonians? Freemasons? Georges and Georgettes? -- There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies. -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] W124 squirrely rear end, Part II
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 02:04:26PM -0700, Dave M. wrote: It's not obvious in the photos, but the old mounts are also metal and rubber. The new mounts that I got are the Sportline rear and late W124 front, which are a slightly different design than the early fronts (I just liked the newer version better, and they fit all 124's.) The main thing to notice is how the subframe sags on the old, cracked mounts. With the new mounts, almost no sagging... the subframe is locked much more tightly to the body. I can tell you that replacing the mounts is not fun, even with the proper tools, at least with the subframe in the car. If the subframe was removed, it would be much easier. If you intend to rebuild the subframe yourself by changing all the links mounts, I'd pull the whole thing out. I intend to do that when I fix mine (probably next winter). With the proper tools it isn't all THAT bad. I'll certainly give you that it is easier to drop the whole thing and do it all at once, but if you're just swapping the mounts, you can do it one side at a time. Do plan on it taking most of the day if it's your first time doing it. If you've done it a bunch of times, you get a lot faster at it. K
Re: [MBZ] W124 squirrely rear end, Part II
Marshall, Was this TSB a recall? Is there any chance a dealer would check or update my 124 wagons? Loren Faeth 87 300TD 88 300TE At 08:51 AM 3/22/2006, you wrote: ALL of the rear links need to be replaced with the revised links in an '87 car. That's been the subject of a TSB (can't find it right now) that dates back at least to the early '90s. Simply replacing one or two that were obviously worn on each side is NOT sufficient. The temporary improvement suggests that this is VERY likely a major aspect of your problem, but there could be other wear as well in a 19 year old car. That doesn't mean that the subframe mounts are good, but it's the first step. The differential mount (if original) will be almost surely be shot in an '87 car. Marshall --
Re: [MBZ] W124 squirrely rear end, Part II
Squirrely behavior is bad thrust and torque links -- the torque links cause much more trouble than the thrust links in my experience. If you have thumping noises under the rear seat or any hint of torque steer on acceleration, the torque links are gone. Replace all that have not been done, and you should probably do what I will be doing this summer -- replace the subframe mounts as well. Camber arms don't wear much, but the bushings at the wheel carrier and spring link inner end do, allowing sideways wheel movement and hence bump steer, and the tie rods go out as well. Any signs of cracked rubber on the subframe mounts means replace all four. The new style is gell filled for the fronts, I believe, should ride better too. Peter
