[MBZ] 83' 300D Steering box change
OK, so I swapped out the steering box in my 83' 300D. I haven't driven it much yet, but someone explain this to me: --As near as I can tell, the steering shaft from the steering wheel to the box is more or less slotted with a knotch where the allen bolt tightens down the clamp from the box around the shaft as well as so that the shaft could not slide out of the box as long as the allen bolt is in place. So... If that's the case, then when swapping gearboxes, what could allow the wheel to not be straight when the old one was? It's just off a ways, not like 180 degrees. Or is there some adjustment where the steering arm attaches to the box? (My replacement box had an arm connected so I disconnected at the tie rod ends.) I guess my main concern is that I could not have somehow gotten the shaft in partially turned where it could potentially slip. -Other minor issue: Where exactly is that power steering filter supposed to be? My pump went dry and I was looking at the bottom of the reservoir which appeared to just be flat with a few holes. I have a new filter and I didn't see anything in the pump that looked like that unless it's submerged down in flush with the bottom of the reservoir. I was wondering if someone just took it out at some point. But it would seem like they would have had to have put in a different spring at that point as well... Anyway... NOT a fun job to do by oneself. Without another 6 inches to my arms it was near impossible to get the new box in and line up the bolts by myself.(which got more fun out in the gravel driveway as the sun went away) (: Luckily the wife came home and managed to get the bolts started while I manuevered the box. Thanks! Levi
Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D Steering box change
line up the bolts by myself.(which got more fun out in the gravel driveway as the sun went away) (: Now that's my specialty, working with very limited or no lighting HAHAHAHA! Blind Guy Auto, it's all in the feel. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
[MBZ] Can Kaleb Beat This?
http://www.mbfanatics.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=701 Tim 1982 300TD Moby (for sale) 1991 300TE 4Matic Beulah
Re: [MBZ] Americans... Remember to VOTE NEXT TUESDAY
Psst ... here is a hint. Get to know the candidates. I don't mean just watch their ads but get to know them. Eat with them at a restaurant. Invite them into you home for a fund-raiser. Email them and reply to their reply. This works only at local (state) level but it works. You'd be amazed at how much the candidates respond to your interest. And, you get to meet and talk to some pretty famous folks during the process. On 10/30/06, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You'll get lied to either way, at least this way you get to pick the ones you want, more or less. --R Luther wrote: Wow, that really makes me want to exercise my right to vote and be lied to. Lovely. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish.
Re: [MBZ] Can Kaleb Beat This?
Sorry, but you do not have permission to use this feature. If you are not logged in, you may do so using the form below if available. On 10/30/06, TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.mbfanatics.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=701 Tim 1982 300TD Moby (for sale) 1991 300TE 4Matic Beulah ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Americans... Remember to VOTE NEXT TUESDAY
LT Don wrote: Psst ... here is a hint. Get to know the candidates. I don't mean just watch their ads but get to know them. Eat with them at a restaurant. Invite them into you home for a fund-raiser. Email them and reply to their reply. This works only at local (state) level but it works. You'd be amazed at how much the candidates respond to your interest. And, you get to meet and talk to some pretty famous folks during the process. It's also helpful to look at what they've done in the past, if this isn't the first time they've run for office. Regardless of what they promise during the campaign, they almost always fall back into the same old behavior once they're elected.
Re: [MBZ] Can Kaleb Beat This?
huh? TimothyPilgrim wrote: http://www.mbfanatics.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=701 Tim 1982 300TD Moby (for sale) 1991 300TE 4Matic Beulah ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT, router
Make sure only one is being the DHCP on the notwork. My crappy Dlink wireless router likes to magically make it's self the DHCP, even though I tell it not to. I usually have to reset and reconfigure when it does this, if I don't then it is a race between sever and DLink as who gives me an IP first, if Dlink wins no internet. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 6:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, router What I ended up doing just now was taking the dlink out of the picture, hooking up to the linxsys, and hitting the rest button. I could then go in and change my wireless settings etc like I want. Hooked both back upo again and reboot them. No internet and cant get into the dlink. Took the linksys out of the loop, reboot the dlink now I have internet and can get into the dlink router. Hooked linksys back up, reboot both, can get internet hooked to either router. Assuming wireless portion will work. Now cant get into linksys but thats OK since I was able to change what I needed to change. Michael Hall wrote: Then your Ethernet port may in fact be broken, unless other drivers software are necessary to access the router as someone else has suggested. Most user manuals are available online, try to find out if thats the case. If not, you may have to use the port forwarding. Mike On 10/30/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yea sort of. I did hook a computer directly to the linksys and still could not access it though. Michael Hall wrote: I know my D-Link wireless provides an option for remote access; to set it up though, you need to connect to it. If I understand your setup correctly, there are 2 ways you could accomplish this with your linksys, assuming its similiar to my D-link. The first would be hook a computer directly into the linksys, and manage it that way. If its ethernet port is broken though, you'll need to access to D-link and use port forwarding to set up a port to the IP of the linksys, then access it that way. IE, set up port 12345 on the D-link to forward to the IP that corresponds to the Linksis, then access the linksis by going to 192.168.0.1:12345 Catch all that? Mike On 10/30/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I get into my wireless Linksys router? No, I am not stupid, I know how to do it, but cant seem to. See, what happened, is the internet port on the router went out supposedly so my wireless IP gave me a d-link router(not wireless) and piggy backed it to my old wireless router. So the internet is managed from the dlink, and wireless access in the house via the linksys. I can get into the dlink, ie 192.168.0.1. Cant get into the linksys. The old address to get into it was 192.168.1.1 I believe but that doenst get it. The PC that is wired is hooked directly to the dlink so the only thing hooked to the linksys is the connection from the other router. Today I moved the PC connection to the linksys, still gets internet access that way etc but still will not get into the router. Point is, I need to get back into it to secure the wireless access portion. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81
Re: [MBZ] OT, router
got ya. Trampas wrote: Make sure only one is being the DHCP on the notwork. My crappy Dlink wireless router likes to magically make it's self the DHCP, even though I tell it not to. I usually have to reset and reconfigure when it does this, if I don't then it is a race between sever and DLink as who gives me an IP first, if Dlink wins no internet. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 6:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, router What I ended up doing just now was taking the dlink out of the picture, hooking up to the linxsys, and hitting the rest button. I could then go in and change my wireless settings etc like I want. Hooked both back upo again and reboot them. No internet and cant get into the dlink. Took the linksys out of the loop, reboot the dlink now I have internet and can get into the dlink router. Hooked linksys back up, reboot both, can get internet hooked to either router. Assuming wireless portion will work. Now cant get into linksys but thats OK since I was able to change what I needed to change. Michael Hall wrote: Then your Ethernet port may in fact be broken, unless other drivers software are necessary to access the router as someone else has suggested. Most user manuals are available online, try to find out if thats the case. If not, you may have to use the port forwarding. Mike On 10/30/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yea sort of. I did hook a computer directly to the linksys and still could not access it though. Michael Hall wrote: I know my D-Link wireless provides an option for remote access; to set it up though, you need to connect to it. If I understand your setup correctly, there are 2 ways you could accomplish this with your linksys, assuming its similiar to my D-link. The first would be hook a computer directly into the linksys, and manage it that way. If its ethernet port is broken though, you'll need to access to D-link and use port forwarding to set up a port to the IP of the linksys, then access it that way. IE, set up port 12345 on the D-link to forward to the IP that corresponds to the Linksis, then access the linksis by going to 192.168.0.1:12345 Catch all that? Mike On 10/30/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I get into my wireless Linksys router? No, I am not stupid, I know how to do it, but cant seem to. See, what happened, is the internet port on the router went out supposedly so my wireless IP gave me a d-link router(not wireless) and piggy backed it to my old wireless router. So the internet is managed from the dlink, and wireless access in the house via the linksys. I can get into the dlink, ie 192.168.0.1. Cant get into the linksys. The old address to get into it was 192.168.1.1 I believe but that doenst get it. The PC that is wired is hooked directly to the dlink so the only thing hooked to the linksys is the connection from the other router. Today I moved the PC connection to the linksys, still gets internet access that way etc but still will not get into the router. Point is, I need to get back into it to secure the wireless access portion. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0
Re: [MBZ] Americans... Remember to VOTE NEXT TUESDAY
Yea, I did that too. On 10/30/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LT Don wrote: Psst ... here is a hint. Get to know the candidates. I don't mean just watch their ads but get to know them. Eat with them at a restaurant. Invite them into you home for a fund-raiser. Email them and reply to their reply. This works only at local (state) level but it works. You'd be amazed at how much the candidates respond to your interest. And, you get to meet and talk to some pretty famous folks during the process. It's also helpful to look at what they've done in the past, if this isn't the first time they've run for office. Regardless of what they promise during the campaign, they almost always fall back into the same old behavior once they're elected. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish.
Re: [MBZ] Americans... Remember to VOTE NEXT TUESDAY
I actually hope a couple of my preferred candidates WILL do this...I don't like their pandering to popular philosphies for votes...sick of hearing they are for everything anyone is... Stand for something and stick to it dammit. It's also helpful to look at what they've done in the past, if this isn't the first time they've run for office. Regardless of what they promise during the campaign, they almost always fall back into the same old behavior once they're elected. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _ Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash with Live Search! http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improvelocale=en-USsource=hmtagline
Re: [MBZ] Flex disk change
So it's similar to having the mother in law on the backseat? Hendrik who once again has an attempt at humour - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Flex disk change I recall it being a kind of growl/whrrr/vibe thing. You'll know. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Flex disk change Wow! How did you catch it in time before it vibrated things to pieces!? i've heard of anything from broken transmissions and difs and the driveshaft itself being destroyed by a bad blex disk. I've never replaced one on the cars I've owned, so I guess I've been lucky. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 27/10/2006
Re: [MBZ] Can Kaleb Beat This?
Well it does say it is an exclusive discussion forum, no people with old rust buckets allowed. Hendrik who has to go back to building a retaining wall:-( - Original Message - From: Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can Kaleb Beat This? Sorry, but you do not have permission to use this feature. If you are not logged in, you may do so using the form below if available. On 10/30/06, TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.mbfanatics.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=701 Tim 1982 300TD Moby (for sale) 1991 300TE 4Matic Beulah ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.18/506 - Release Date: 30/10/2006
Re: [MBZ] Americans... Remember to VOTE NEXT TUESDAY
I know I am only talking state level here, but I've come to know each of the candidates in our election. I've studied the voting records. That is why I am trying to put a Senator back into office and trying to move a House guy out of office. On 10/30/06, V Layton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually hope a couple of my preferred candidates WILL do this...I don't like their pandering to popular philosphies for votes...sick of hearing they are for everything anyone is... Stand for something and stick to it dammit. It's also helpful to look at what they've done in the past, if this isn't the first time they've run for office. Regardless of what they promise during the campaign, they almost always fall back into the same old behavior once they're elected. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _ Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash with Live Search! http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improvelocale=en-USsource=hmtagline ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish.
Re: [MBZ] Flex disk change
If she has a real bad case of gas On Oct 30, 2006, at 6:38 PM, Hendrik Riessen wrote: So it's similar to having the mother in law on the backseat? Hendrik who once again has an attempt at humour - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Flex disk change I recall it being a kind of growl/whrrr/vibe thing. You'll know. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Flex disk change Wow! How did you catch it in time before it vibrated things to pieces!? i've heard of anything from broken transmissions and difs and the driveshaft itself being destroyed by a bad blex disk. I've never replaced one on the cars I've owned, so I guess I've been lucky. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 27/10/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Flex disk change
Well, that depends. I recently replaced both flex disks and the center bearing/mount on the SLC - and there was nothing visibly wrong other than some cracks in the bearing mount rubber. However, I believed all of them to be original - 1978 - and since I've just re-built the engine, I figured it was preventative maintenance, and a small task compared to everything else. However, you're talking about Gump here -- how much do you like crawling under there and pulling the drive shaft? Do you think all the parts are the same age? YMMV --- On 10/30/06, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gump has decided to destroy her rear flex disk. I am thinking about what else I need for my Rusty order. Should I do the whole drive shaft with center bearing and both disk? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Flex disk change
In a message dated 10/30/2006 3:31:31 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gump has decided to destroy her rear flex disk. I am thinking about what else I need for my Rusty order. Should I do the whole drive shaft with center bearing and both disk? Clay, If there is no reason to think the front one has been serviced more recently than the rear one, I would change them both. The environment by the front one is likely worse, given the proximity to the engine. Same with the center support rubber. Change it. That leaves the $20 bearing in the center support, which is now close at hand, and may be perfect, but I would change it also. The 72 drive shaft is balanced as a unit and the two halfs must be marked to insure the exact reassembly of same. The drive shaft can be removed in one piece by prying the shaft forward at the rear coupling. It might even slide in the slip joint, even without loosening the clamp nut. Anyway, having it out will facilitate the proper marking of the two halfs. On my 74 240D, the clamp nut was so tight, I couldn't break it loose with a 36 inch pipe wrench, with the shaft in a big vice. The two halfs must be separated to replace either the rubber support donut or the bearing. I think I still have the support, but not the car! Go for it. Also consider replacing the differential mount, which, if original, is probably transmitting gear noise to the body. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 146 K miles
Re: [MBZ] Flex disk change
Really hard to say how old. The rear is toast, the front flex disk looks ok, and the bearing is looking good as well. I was more interested in how simple it would be to do the whole job versus only doing the bad disk. Is it a real pain to do it all, or a minor irritation such that I would rather do the job once and be quit of it for a long number of years? On Oct 30, 2006, at 7:08 PM, OK Don wrote: Well, that depends. I recently replaced both flex disks and the center bearing/mount on the SLC - and there was nothing visibly wrong other than some cracks in the bearing mount rubber. However, I believed all of them to be original - 1978 - and since I've just re-built the engine, I figured it was preventative maintenance, and a small task compared to everything else. However, you're talking about Gump here -- how much do you like crawling under there and pulling the drive shaft? Do you think all the parts are the same age? YMMV --- On 10/30/06, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gump has decided to destroy her rear flex disk. I am thinking about what else I need for my Rusty order. Should I do the whole drive shaft with center bearing and both disk? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Flex disk change
I vote for doing it all at once. I seem to remember having to drop the exhaust - then it's not that hard to do the rest - assuming the center nut isn't seized along with the slip joint. My slip joints have all slid just fine without touching the nut, so I don't have any words of wisdom there. You shouldn't have to think about the drive shaft again once you're done. On 10/30/06, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really hard to say how old. The rear is toast, the front flex disk looks ok, and the bearing is looking good as well. I was more interested in how simple it would be to do the whole job versus only doing the bad disk. Is it a real pain to do it all, or a minor irritation such that I would rather do the job once and be quit of it for a long number of years? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] gravel drive/work ways
Oh, do I know this ALL too well. Try using a floor jack on a gravel driveway. On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:01:34 -0600, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip (which got more fun out in the gravel driveway as the sun went away) -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
[MBZ] WOT-- Americans... Remember to VOTE NEXT TUESDAY
My claims to fame are that I had the mayor and police chief of my little Massachusetts town (the only Repub town anywhere around) into my kitchen for coffee and donuts (the PC laughed that I had donuts) about some neighborhood parking problem, ragging on them. Hizonna da maya is now the head of the Log Cabin Republicans and I see him occasionally on TV. Everyone sorta new his interests back then, but it wasn't spoken of. Neither of them dealt with the problem despite hearty backslaps and assurances, etc., so I did it myself. A couple years ago my buddy and I went for pizza at a little strip mall place here in Houston, walked in and 41 and Babs were having a nosh with Brent Scowcroft and two girls, I think granddaughters. Everyone just sorta left them alone, but they said hi to people as they were leaving. For an 80 yr old guy he looked very fit, and Babs looked pretty good too. Their SS guys were pretty cool but quite vigilant, and packing some serious heat, even for Texas. I had sorta wondered what those blacked-out 'burbs blocking the parking lot were about. None of that really has much to do with voting, but it does involve politicians. Oh yeah, once when I was in college working at the lab at the airport, George Wallace's campaign plane had to land to refuel or wait out some storms or something, and I went out the hangar door and shook his hand as they wheeled him to the little restaurant there. Not that I thought much of him, but it was kinda cool that happenstance meeting. Vote early, and vote often (as they do in Nawlins). --R LT Don wrote: Psst ... here is a hint. Get to know the candidates. I don't mean just watch their ads but get to know them. Eat with them at a restaurant. Invite them into you home for a fund-raiser. Email them and reply to their reply. This works only at local (state) level but it works. You'd be amazed at how much the candidates respond to your interest. And, you get to meet and talk to some pretty famous folks during the process. On 10/30/06, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You'll get lied to either way, at least this way you get to pick the ones you want, more or less. --R Luther wrote: Wow, that really makes me want to exercise my right to vote and be lied to. Lovely. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gravel drive/work ways
After 3 days of hard rain. --R Luther Gulseth wrote: Oh, do I know this ALL too well. Try using a floor jack on a gravel driveway. On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:01:34 -0600, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip (which got more fun out in the gravel driveway as the sun went away)
Re: [MBZ] gravel drive/work ways
Or...even better, pull an engine using a crane on fairly soft dirt. On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:29:58 -0600, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After 3 days of hard rain. --R Luther Gulseth wrote: Oh, do I know this ALL too well. Try using a floor jack on a gravel driveway. On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:01:34 -0600, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip (which got more fun out in the gravel driveway as the sun went away) -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
Re: [MBZ] overheating SDL
Drove it for about 30 minutes tonight, most of the time the temp was right around 100, but toward the end I had to kick the heat on to cool it down from 110+. It is finally blowing heat from the vents and the bottom hose at the radiator is getting hot to the touch. Maybe the flush is working finally. I'm going to run the Prestone like this for a few more drives, and then see how things are. Maybe citric acid is next. On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:38:02 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The head has a problem for sure. The question is, what caused it to happen in the first place. Maybe the radiator is plugged up. Luther Gulseth wrote: Sorry about the incorrect time. I modified the T-stat by bending about 1/2 of the radiator flap up and creating a gap for constant flow. I ran it on just water to check for leaks at the t-stat and other hoses, then I dumped a bottle of Prestone flush in and drove it around the neighborhood in 2nd for about 5 minutes...2 different times. 5 minutes is about how long it takes to hit 100-110C. After the first trip, the radiator was still cold but the bottom hose was slightly warmer. After the 2nd trip around, the bottom hose was actually warm to touch, but the center of the radaitor was still coldgrrr. But, I take this to show that the water pump is making an effort, even with resistance, to move coolant through the system. Maybe with time and several more trips with the flush, it'll open the radaitor up. I'm fairly certain the head is cracked or at least the gasket is blown. With the pressure cap off and the engine idling you can see a constant wisp of vapor coming out. With the cap on, it doesn't take long to build enough pressure to cause the cap to release some of it, and that's a continual cycle. Sound right? On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 17:19:48 -0600, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday and today I've worked on the SDL trying to figure out why it is overheating. Yesterday, I first checked to see if the fan clutch was engaging, it's not.well, the radiator isn't hot enough to cause the clutch to engage. Lower hose is cool to the touch, top is HOT. I am also not getting very much heat in the cab when I select defrost and MAX temp. Hrm, so I drained all of the coolant and started pulling some of the system apart and noticed this red, gritty grime coating the inside of EVERYTHING. Hrm, wonder if the PPO (previous-previous owner before Kaleb) tried some of that block/head/radiator sealer? I have modified the old thermostat to be mostly open all the time. Could the cold bottom/hot top problem be a bad water pump and how would I check that? -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
[MBZ] 917 Turbo Rough Idle Mystery
For some time, my 1982 300SD had a really rough idle when hot. Cold was OK. I had replaced the rack damper bolt years ago and was considering a redo. Just for grins, I decided to readjust the rack damper bolt. The idle smoothed right out. So I adjusted it back to the original position, the idle was still smooth. Somehow, simply moving the rack damper screw fixed the problem, at least for now. 'tis a puzzlement. Another observation: The fuel cap (same car) became very hard to remove. Inspection showed rust on the inside lip of the fill pipe and on the sliding spring thing on the cap. Weeks later, I discovered that there was so much crud in the fuel tank that it clogged the strainer and I couldn't maintain speed going uphill. Conclusion: If a Diesel fuel cap gets rusty and hard to remove, suspect lots of water in the tank and fix it before it becomes a real problem. Scott Ritchey Kittrell NC 1982 300SD 220K 1979 300TD 350K attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [MBZ] gravel drive/work ways
BTDT - don't want to do it again. I poured a fair amount of concrete to avoid just that. Our single car drive is now three cars wide. On 10/30/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or...even better, pull an engine using a crane on fairly soft dirt. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] gravel drive/work ways
DITTO, but, I have the luxury of my neighbor's shop in about 2 weeks once the concrete is poored and setshould be able to park 4-5 cars in it, covered, locked, etc. On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:47:07 -0600, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTDT - don't want to do it again. I poured a fair amount of concrete to avoid just that. Our single car drive is now three cars wide. On 10/30/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or...even better, pull an engine using a crane on fairly soft dirt. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
[MBZ] Part number for 617.912 engine shocks
Hi there colleagues in alms Can someone with the relevant EPC please dig out the part numbers for the two little gas-strut dampers either side of the engine block in my 1985 300TD (non-turbo)? My MB-fixer has removed the old ones (said they were stuffed) to take the downstream vibration out of the exhaust system. By my logic, the struts should dampen the engine-block vibration down; removing them must surely free the block up to /generate /vibrations. Thanks indeed in advance. Euan Christchurch NZ
[MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices
Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 1:44 PM To: Weekly Highway Diesel Prices Subject: Today's Diesel Prices ** ** ** * **** * * *** U.S. Department of Energy** ** ** * Energy Information Administration * **** ******* To unsubscribe/change address, ** ** ** ** ** * see the message footnotes * * EIA, the Nation's clearinghouse for energy statistics. *** ** (NOTE: To best view this document, your email software should be set to view the item in an 80 character format, using a non-proportional font, e.g. courier) ** On-highway diesel prices, by week and PADD (Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes) Diesel Prices Web URL: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp US NATL EASTNEWCENTLOWER GULF ROCKY WEST DATEAVG COAST ENGLAND ATL ATL MIDWEST COAST MTN COAST CA PADD PADDPADDPADDPADDPADDPADD PADD I IA IB IC II III IV V -- - - --- - - --- - - - - 061030 2.517 2.530 2.629 2.646 2.472 2.501 2.462 2.577 2.602 2.645 061023 2.524 2.537 2.636 2.651 2.480 2.502 2.477 2.563 2.628 2.669 061016 2.503 2.521 2.623 2.636 2.462 2.459 2.461 2.539 2.655 2.703 061009 2.506 2.533 2.649 2.654 2.471 2.448 2.446 2.584 2.697 2.751 061002 2.546 2.567 2.678 2.694 2.503 2.467 2.490 2.679 2.789 2.835 060925 2.595 2.600 2.730 2.746 2.526 2.506 2.526 2.827 2.892 2.910 060918 2.713 2.699 2.832 2.844 2.625 2.624 2.636 3.052 3.014 3.002 060911 2.857 2.826 2.955 2.958 2.757 2.787 2.770 3.236 3.137 3.125 060904 2.967 2.911 3.009 3.032 2.850 2.937 2.872 3.318 3.199 3.175 060828 3.027 2.955 3.035 3.074 2.897 3.026 2.923 3.346 3.229 3.200 060821 3.033 2.953 3.049 3.078 2.890 3.041 2.923 3.349 3.237 3.221 060814 3.065 3.017 3.077 3.130 2.964 3.065 2.974 3.311 3.218 3.220 060807 3.055 3.026 3.061 3.104 2.989 3.070 2.988 3.208 3.113 3.130 060731 2.980 2.958 2.991 3.030 2.924 2.988 2.925 3.052 3.066 3.093 060724 2.946 2.925 2.972 3.002 2.888 2.951 2.895 2.987 3.047 3.097 060717 2.926 2.906 2.970 2.992 2.864 2.927 2.868 2.960 3.051 3.097 060710 2.918 2.887 2.947 2.963 2.849 2.919 2.866 2.966 3.060 3.113 060703 2.898 2.874 2.948 2.951 2.834 2.887 2.845 2.958 3.056 3.119 060626 2.867 2.864 2.952 2.956 2.816 2.819 2.822 2.960 3.068 3.140 060619 2.915 2.907 2.960 2.990 2.867 2.873 2.859 3.018 3.117 3.185 060612 2.918 2.909 2.979 2.997 2.866 2.874 2.848 3.041 3.149 3.217 060605 2.890 2.881 2.969 2.992 2.825 2.837 2.805 3.043 3.159 3.227 060529 2.882 2.873 2.966 2.987 2.815 2.824 2.798 3.044 3.161 3.227 060522 2.888 2.877 2.982 2.987 2.820 2.836 2.801 3.024 3.175 3.234 060515 2.920 2.907 3.003 3.014 2.853 2.870 2.829 3.074 3.192 3.242 060508 2.897 2.884 2.972 2.983 2.834 2.841 2.814 3.054 3.180 3.244 060501 2.896 2.892 2.979 2.987 2.843 2.853 2.832 3.012 3.098 3.163 060424 2.876 2.888 2.961 2.978 2.843 2.847 2.817 2.903 3.026 3.103 060417 2.765 2.788 2.865 2.876 2.743 2.735 2.725 2.756 2.881 2.933 060410 2.654 2.676 2.769 2.767 2.629 2.614 2.601 2.680 2.812 2.881 060403 2.617 2.639 2.731 2.727 2.593 2.578 2.579 2.629 2.753 2.812 060327 2.565 2.586 2.700 2.681 2.536 2.523 2.528 2.601 2.698 2.727 060320 2.581 2.606 2.702 2.697 2.558 2.533 2.552 2.608 2.716 2.738 060313 2.543 2.567 2.687 2.681 2.507 2.491 2.497 2.566 2.725 2.747 060306 2.545 2.571 2.656 2.682 2.516 2.500 2.499 2.545 2.711 2.739 060227 2.471 2.493 2.593 2.593 2.441 2.417 2.443 2.509 2.623 2.688 060220 2.455 2.487 2.593 2.580 2.437 2.398 2.427 2.497 2.594 2.674 060213 2.476 2.509 2.617 2.591 2.464 2.419 2.447 2.500 2.621 2.709 060206 2.499 2.536 2.659 2.618 2.490 2.445 2.463 2.503 2.645 2.739 060130 2.489 2.530 2.661 2.618 2.481 2.431 2.455 2.474 2.640 2.733 060123 2.472 2.516 2.668 2.610 2.462 2.423 2.432 2.435 2.608 2.674 060116 2.449 2.489 2.663 2.605 2.424 2.408 2.415 2.411 2.565 2.603 060109 2.485 2.528
[MBZ] 917 Turbo Rough Idle Mystery
For some time, my 1982 300SD had a really rough idle when hot. Cold was OK. I had replaced the rack damper bolt years ago and was considering a redo. Just for grins, I decided to readjust the rack damper bolt. The idle smoothed right out. So I adjusted it back to the original position, the idle was still smooth. Somehow, simply moving the rack damper screw fixed the problem, at least for now. 'tis a puzzlement. Another observation: The fuel cap (same car) became very hard to remove. Inspection showed rust on the inside lip of the fill pipe and on the sliding spring thing on the cap. Weeks later, I discovered that there was so much crud in the fuel tank that it clogged the strainer and I couldn't maintain speed going uphill. Conclusion: If a Diesel fuel cap gets rusty and hard to remove, suspect lots of water in the tank and fix it before it becomes a real problem. Scott Ritchey Kittrell NC 1982 300SD 220K 1979 300TD 350K attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [MBZ] Flex disk change
Really sounded like I had blown out the exhaust and was having flaming fuel blowing out the underside of the car. A growly, rumbly thing There's a centering bushing too that may be overly aged. It's what keeps things from vibrating badly, which is what would happen if the driveline was not centered on the diff/tranny. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 917 Turbo Rough Idle Mystery
Scott, The rack damper adjustment can be very sensitive and it's possible that you did not put it back in the exact same position. The fuel cap is a great observation. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 10:12 PM To: Mercedes , Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] 917 Turbo Rough Idle Mystery For some time, my 1982 300SD had a really rough idle when hot. Cold was OK. I had replaced the rack damper bolt years ago and was considering a redo. Just for grins, I decided to readjust the rack damper bolt. The idle smoothed right out. So I adjusted it back to the original position, the idle was still smooth. Somehow, simply moving the rack damper screw fixed the problem, at least for now. 'tis a puzzlement. Another observation: The fuel cap (same car) became very hard to remove. Inspection showed rust on the inside lip of the fill pipe and on the sliding spring thing on the cap. Weeks later, I discovered that there was so much crud in the fuel tank that it clogged the strainer and I couldn't maintain speed going uphill. Conclusion: If a Diesel fuel cap gets rusty and hard to remove, suspect lots of water in the tank and fix it before it becomes a real problem. Scott Ritchey Kittrell NC 1982 300SD 220K 1979 300TD 350K File: ATT03259.txt attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [MBZ] Next issue to sort out on rescued 79 240D
I guess I should have mentioned in the original email that you will see a small wet spot on the ground under the car and from taste, it's antifreeze. So there is an external leak and I'd guess it's on the firewall somewhere, but I've yet to try to pin it down. I guess more detective work is in order. The drains in the heater box will ensure that an internal leak will also end up on the ground. They drain over the top of the tranny. -- Jim
[MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode
Another list (sound system related) is discussing a mythbusters episode that used a Mercedes diesel to determine if a car could be destroy by a subwoofer. I guess they used the driveshaft to operate a cam. I don't trust any of the folks on _that_ list to identify the car. Since the discussion includes the horsepower needed to reach a particular dB SPL, I figured I could sort them out - but only if I can figure out which car/which engine. Any of you seen this episode? Can you tell me which car they cut up for the project? -- Philip
[MBZ] W123 door latch
I have a pickup to repair so I can haul firewood to heat the house, a plumbing project that is nearly done, and brakes that squeak. So what do I do over the weekend? Work on the car's door latch - of course! *smile* A few months ago - quite suddenly - the driver's door began requiring a healthy slam to close. Some days it was better than others, but it always required more force than any a W123 door ought to. It reminds me of my mid-`80s Suburban when the little plastic ring comes off the strike post on it's doors. Anyway, a while back I tried adjusting the strike position - no change. I sprayed lots of LPS2 into the latch mechanism. This may have improved it slightly, but not much. So I figured it must be the latch mechanism in the door. So I pull off the inner panel, removed the latch assembly, pulled it out of the door and examined it. Nothing was obviously wrong. The parts all moved well, nothing looked bent, twisted, worn (un-duly), or broken. This is why I keep parts cars. *smile* But before I pulled apart the doner car's door, I decided to try the loose latch assembly against the doner car's strike. It latched easily! I trot back to the daily driver and try there. I can't push hard enough to get it to latch!! The evidence suggested that the _strike_ was bad! So I pulled a strike from the parts car, put it onto the daily driver. After re-assembling the door with the original latch mechanism I confirmed that the strike was indeed the problem. I still don't understand how. That strike is a brass sleeve shaped as a cone in a rubber surround. And mine fail and I couldn't find a reason why. Anyway, figured I should share my experience with you folks - since I _know_ you care! *grin* -- Philip, who got the washer working the next day
Re: [MBZ] low idle and pulsating idle when engine (not ambient temp) iscold
Chris - How long since you did a valve adjust? Barry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher McCann Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:52 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] low idle and pulsating idle when engine (not ambient temp) iscold So I drove the 1985 300SD for 300 miles the other day. No problems. Next morning, I start the car, need to depress the accelerator to get it to start (it was not cold out) and once started, if I left off the pedal, it would stall. After holding it at normal idle for a minute or so, it would idle at low speed, but not stall...unless I put it in gear. Once the engine is up to operating temp, it idles perfectly normally and there are no other problems... EXCEPT (this may or may not be related) about a year ago, the idle started to slightly surge/pulsate until it got up to operating temp...actually up to operating temp FOR A WHILE (like 15 minutes of driving). This also is not effected by ambient temp. It was raining during the 300 miles of driving - doubt that had anything to do with it. It now does this every time I start it when the engine is cold. Ambient temp has nothing to do with it. Any ideas as to what is going on? Thanks, Chris For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode
It was a 123 body Mercedes diesel. I don't remember if it was a 240D or a 300D. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:26 AM To: Mercedes list Subject: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode Another list (sound system related) is discussing a mythbusters episode that used a Mercedes diesel to determine if a car could be destroy by a subwoofer. I guess they used the driveshaft to operate a cam. I don't trust any of the folks on _that_ list to identify the car. Since the discussion includes the horsepower needed to reach a particular dB SPL, I figured I could sort them out - but only if I can figure out which car/which engine. Any of you seen this episode? Can you tell me which car they cut up for the project? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode
The pressure from the speaker, more of a diaphragm air pump, pushed the sun roof open before it self destructed. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:26 AM To: Mercedes list Subject: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode Another list (sound system related) is discussing a mythbusters episode that used a Mercedes diesel to determine if a car could be destroy by a subwoofer. I guess they used the driveshaft to operate a cam. I don't trust any of the folks on _that_ list to identify the car. Since the discussion includes the horsepower needed to reach a particular dB SPL, I figured I could sort them out - but only if I can figure out which car/which engine. Any of you seen this episode? Can you tell me which car they cut up for the project? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Part number for 617.912 engine shocks
Euan - Save your money ,and maybe go to a knowledgeable M/B fixer. All the little shocks do is to dampen out the shaking when you shut off the engine, high compressions engines shudder a bit as they stop. Have you replaced all three engine mounts lately? How about the Bellville washers on your header pipe, are they assembled correctly and tightened per the instructions in the manual? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Euan Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:00 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Part number for 617.912 engine shocks Hi there colleagues in alms Can someone with the relevant EPC please dig out the part numbers for the two little gas-strut dampers either side of the engine block in my 1985 300TD (non-turbo)? My MB-fixer has removed the old ones (said they were stuffed) to take the downstream vibration out of the exhaust system. By my logic, the struts should dampen the engine-block vibration down; removing them must surely free the block up to /generate /vibrations. Thanks indeed in advance. Euan Christchurch NZ
Re: [MBZ] W123 door latch
On my '83 240D I had the same problem. Found that a small piece of rubber broke off the striker. New striker fixed the problem. Compare the rubber on the striker that doesn't work and the striker that does. If your problem was the same as mine, you'll see where the missing rubber broke off. Gerry '83 300D and 240D - Original Message - From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a pickup to repair so I can haul firewood to heat the house, a plumbing project that is nearly done, and brakes that squeak. So what do I do over the weekend? Work on the car's door latch - of course! *smile* A few months ago - quite suddenly - the driver's door began requiring a healthy slam to close. Some days it was better than others, but it always required more force than any a W123 door ought to. It reminds me of my mid-`80s Suburban when the little plastic ring comes off the strike post on it's doors. Anyway, a while back I tried adjusting the strike position - no change. I sprayed lots of LPS2 into the latch mechanism. This may have improved it slightly, but not much. So I figured it must be the latch mechanism in the door. So I pull off the inner panel, removed the latch assembly, pulled it out of the door and examined it. Nothing was obviously wrong. The parts all moved well, nothing looked bent, twisted, worn (un-duly), or broken. This is why I keep parts cars. *smile* But before I pulled apart the doner car's door, I decided to try the loose latch assembly against the doner car's strike. It latched easily! I trot back to the daily driver and try there. I can't push hard enough to get it to latch!! The evidence suggested that the _strike_ was bad! So I pulled a strike from the parts car, put it onto the daily driver. After re-assembling the door with the original latch mechanism I confirmed that the strike was indeed the problem. I still don't understand how. That strike is a brass sleeve shaped as a cone in a rubber surround. And mine fail and I couldn't find a reason why. Anyway, figured I should share my experience with you folks - since I _know_ you care! *grin* -- Philip, who got the washer working the next day ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 10/27/2006
Re: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode
I thought it was a 300SD (W126), but then again it's been forever since I've seen it. SN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 2:47 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode It was a 123 body Mercedes diesel. I don't remember if it was a 240D or a 300D. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:26 AM To: Mercedes list Subject: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode Another list (sound system related) is discussing a mythbusters episode that used a Mercedes diesel to determine if a car could be destroy by a subwoofer. I guess they used the driveshaft to operate a cam. I don't trust any of the folks on _that_ list to identify the car. Since the discussion includes the horsepower needed to reach a particular dB SPL, I figured I could sort them out - but only if I can figure out which car/which engine. Any of you seen this episode? Can you tell me which car they cut up for the project? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode
Yeah, I thought it was a 126 too. Levi On 10/31/06, Tarek Elshenawy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it was a 300SD (W126), but then again it's been forever since I've seen it. SN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 2:47 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode It was a 123 body Mercedes diesel. I don't remember if it was a 240D or a 300D. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:26 AM To: Mercedes list Subject: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode Another list (sound system related) is discussing a mythbusters episode that used a Mercedes diesel to determine if a car could be destroy by a subwoofer. I guess they used the driveshaft to operate a cam. I don't trust any of the folks on _that_ list to identify the car. Since the discussion includes the horsepower needed to reach a particular dB SPL, I figured I could sort them out - but only if I can figure out which car/which engine. Any of you seen this episode? Can you tell me which car they cut up for the project? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gravel drive/work ways
Done that more than a couple times. Yes, it would have been easier to jack up the car to get to the steering gear, but I would prefer to be under a jacked up car (especially on gravel) as little as possible. (: Levi On 10/30/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, do I know this ALL too well. Try using a floor jack on a gravel driveway. On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:01:34 -0600, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip (which got more fun out in the gravel driveway as the sun went away) -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gravel drive/work ways
Luther Gulseth wrote: Oh, do I know this ALL too well. Try using a floor jack on a gravel driveway. A 3' long piece of 2x12 doesn't cost much. I also have several 2x12x12 pieces for my jackstands. This is better than boards in the driveway, but not high enough to use with a hoist: http://tinyurl.com/y5nakl For a bit more money, get a twelve footer: http://tinyurl.com/y298fd Prices at the links above are consistently above local in-store prices where I live. Concrete runs about $2.50 a square foot installed and finished, more like a dollar a foot if you do all the work yourself.
Re: [MBZ] Next issue to sort out on rescued 79 240D
My w123 240D did the same and was leaking from the heater core connections. Mike - Original Message - From: Kevin J. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Next issue to sort out on rescued 79 240D LarryT said: Hi Kevin. Check the mixer valve assy on the firewall (located behind the trans dipstick on firewall) and check hose connections as Jim suggested. Other than that I can't help - but I may have the WSM instructions I may be able to send to you, once I figure out how. I guess I should have mentioned in the original email that you will see a small wet spot on the ground under the car and from taste, it's antifreeze. So there is an external leak and I'd guess it's on the firewall somewhere, but I've yet to try to pin it down. I guess more detective work is in order. ...Kevin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 83' 300D Steering box change
The pitman arm may be in a different position on the gearbox. You may need to remove and reinstall the pitman arm to get the steering wheel centered. I have not read up on the proper installation, but I suspect you need to make sure the gearbox is in the center of travel and adjust everything else to that. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Levi Smith Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 6:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] 83' 300D Steering box change OK, so I swapped out the steering box in my 83' 300D. I haven't driven it much yet, but someone explain this to me: --As near as I can tell, the steering shaft from the steering wheel to the box is more or less slotted with a knotch where the allen bolt tightens down the clamp from the box around the shaft as well as so that the shaft could not slide out of the box as long as the allen bolt is in place. So... If that's the case, then when swapping gearboxes, what could allow the wheel to not be straight when the old one was? It's just off a ways, not like 180 degrees. Or is there some adjustment where the steering arm attaches to the box? (My replacement box had an arm connected so I disconnected at the tie rod ends.) I guess my main concern is that I could not have somehow gotten the shaft in partially turned where it could potentially slip. -Other minor issue: Where exactly is that power steering filter supposed to be? My pump went dry and I was looking at the bottom of the reservoir which appeared to just be flat with a few holes. I have a new filter and I didn't see anything in the pump that looked like that unless it's submerged down in flush with the bottom of the reservoir. I was wondering if someone just took it out at some point. But it would seem like they would have had to have put in a different spring at that point as well... Anyway... NOT a fun job to do by oneself. Without another 6 inches to my arms it was near impossible to get the new box in and line up the bolts by myself.(which got more fun out in the gravel driveway as the sun went away) (: Luckily the wife came home and managed to get the bolts started while I manuevered the box. Thanks! Levi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode
I saw it a while back, its a 300SD, 126 Fmiser wrote: Another list (sound system related) is discussing a mythbusters episode that used a Mercedes diesel to determine if a car could be destroy by a subwoofer. I guess they used the driveshaft to operate a cam. I don't trust any of the folks on _that_ list to identify the car. Since the discussion includes the horsepower needed to reach a particular dB SPL, I figured I could sort them out - but only if I can figure out which car/which engine. Any of you seen this episode? Can you tell me which car they cut up for the project? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Part number for 617.912 engine shock
Most of what you're looking for should be in the Word doc you'll be receiving offlist, Euan. Couple screenshots from the epc. -joe engine shock.doc Description: MS-Word document
Re: [MBZ] low idle and pulsating idle when engine (not ambient temp) iscold
I stick to the schedule, so less than 15,000 miles, but I think it is coming due in 3,000 miles...so maybe it needs done. Would maladjusted valves cause all those problems? Chris Barry Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris - How long since you did a valve adjust? Barry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher McCann Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:52 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] low idle and pulsating idle when engine (not ambient temp) iscold So I drove the 1985 300SD for 300 miles the other day. No problems. Next morning, I start the car, need to depress the accelerator to get it to start (it was not cold out) and once started, if I left off the pedal, it would stall. After holding it at normal idle for a minute or so, it would idle at low speed, but not stall...unless I put it in gear. Once the engine is up to operating temp, it idles perfectly normally and there are no other problems... EXCEPT (this may or may not be related) about a year ago, the idle started to slightly surge/pulsate until it got up to operating temp...actually up to operating temp FOR A WHILE (like 15 minutes of driving). This also is not effected by ambient temp. It was raining during the 300 miles of driving - doubt that had anything to do with it. It now does this every time I start it when the engine is cold. Ambient temp has nothing to do with it. Any ideas as to what is going on? Thanks, Chris For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 217K, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K, little blue klatter box -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, One Banger - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 31 14:06:27 2006 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.190]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeuG1-0006lB-0U for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:06:26 + Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l37so323128nfc for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:06:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.131.1 with SMTP id e1mr1071871bud; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:06:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.98.1 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:06:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:06:19 -0500 From: TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can Kaleb Beat This? X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:06:28 - -- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:16:47 -0500 From: Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can Kaleb Beat This? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sorry, but you do not have permission to use this feature. If you are not logged in, you may do so using the form below if available. -- Whoops. Try this: http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2104/001yf5.jpg http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2160/002yg9.jpg http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4521/003lg0.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4720/121276309842004100300amvk2.jpg http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4756/10001ig3.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3816/10901xd3.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1005/pagode02ia7.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/642/schrott001yo7.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3237/schrott002zh5.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2043/schrott005gm4.jpg http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7108/schrott010tm8.jpg http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7180/schrott023qg8.jpg Tim 1982 300TD Moby (for sale) 1991 300TE 4Matic Beulah
Re: [MBZ] Can Kaleb Beat This?
I am in love TimothyPilgrim wrote: -- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:16:47 -0500 From: Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can Kaleb Beat This? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sorry, but you do not have permission to use this feature. If you are not logged in, you may do so using the form below if available. -- Whoops. Try this: http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2104/001yf5.jpg http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2160/002yg9.jpg http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4521/003lg0.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4720/121276309842004100300amvk2.jpg http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4756/10001ig3.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3816/10901xd3.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1005/pagode02ia7.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/642/schrott001yo7.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3237/schrott002zh5.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2043/schrott005gm4.jpg http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7108/schrott010tm8.jpg http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7180/schrott023qg8.jpg Tim 1982 300TD Moby (for sale) 1991 300TE 4Matic Beulah ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] gravel drive/work ways
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:44:58 -0500 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Concrete runs about $2.50 a square foot installed and finished, more like a dollar a foot if you do all the work yourself. Not when concrete is $118/yard as it is here in Los Alamos. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Can Kaleb Beat This?
Where is this place? I want to see if I can work it in to my driving tour of National Parks next summer. Thanks -Dave Walton On 10/31/06, TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:16:47 -0500 From: Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can Kaleb Beat This? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sorry, but you do not have permission to use this feature. If you are not logged in, you may do so using the form below if available. -- Whoops. Try this: http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2104/001yf5.jpg http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2160/002yg9.jpg http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4521/003lg0.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4720/121276309842004100300amvk2.jpg http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4756/10001ig3.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3816/10901xd3.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1005/pagode02ia7.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/642/schrott001yo7.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3237/schrott002zh5.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2043/schrott005gm4.jpg http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7108/schrott010tm8.jpg http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7180/schrott023qg8.jpg Tim 1982 300TD Moby (for sale) 1991 300TE 4Matic Beulah ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Nebraska Gump
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-MERCEDES-BENZ-220D-SEDAN_W0QQitemZ300041832613QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6335QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Looks a little rusty.. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 31 14:29:16 2006 Received: from host337.ipowerweb.com ([72.22.69.22]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Geuc8-0007dm-8G for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:29:16 + Received: (qmail 5325 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2006 14:26:14 - Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (206.109.43.202) by host337.ipowerweb.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2006 14:26:14 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:29:33 -0600 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:29:16 - So how cool would it be to make a set of these to mount on top of the car, pull up next to some arrozer at a light and hit the switch, watch their windows blow out. http://passdiy.com/projects/el-pipe-o-1.htm --R
Re: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode
They used a 126 300SD to run on cooking oil awhile back, would guess they used the same car. Dave Wakin - Original Message - From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 2:25 AM Subject: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode Another list (sound system related) is discussing a mythbusters episode that used a Mercedes diesel to determine if a car could be destroy by a subwoofer. I guess they used the driveshaft to operate a cam. I don't trust any of the folks on _that_ list to identify the car. Since the discussion includes the horsepower needed to reach a particular dB SPL, I figured I could sort them out - but only if I can figure out which car/which engine. Any of you seen this episode? Can you tell me which car they cut up for the project? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Partly OT - cold air into exhaust
Note to self: I win! Self On 10/30/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, then there's the gluing of my dash trim, (some of which was bowed out and hanging off, and some of which was all the way off), using a mixture of dollar store super glue and Gorilla Glue (owing to the super glue's quick bonding time, and the Gorilla's better long term bonding strength). The $5.xx price of the Gorillla is going to hurt me here. Brian I hope the purpetrator of the clothes hanger antenna doesn't chime in.
Re: [MBZ] FW: Ultra Low sulfur Diesel
I read the warning label on the pump, and I think the station I was at must have had a misprinted label. It said, if I recall, that running this low sulfur fuel in post-'07 vehicles is bad. I have been wondering ever since I read that label. I'll have to look at others. Brian 83 240D On 10/30/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the risk of starting another fuel thread, I wanted to know more about the ULSD. I fueled up the 300D 2.5t Friday ($2.59/gal) and noticed that the Shell station now has the new ultra low # 2. Inside the station, they had a Shell pamphlet of Q A about ULSD-much of what has been covered on this list. ... Snip...
Re: [MBZ] FW: Ultra Low sulfur Diesel
That would be the correct label for anything other than ULSD... If you were at a normal LSD pump that is the correct label. Levi On 10/31/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read the warning label on the pump, and I think the station I was at must have had a misprinted label. It said, if I recall, that running this low sulfur fuel in post-'07 vehicles is bad. I have been wondering ever since I read that label. I'll have to look at others. Brian 83 240D On 10/30/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the risk of starting another fuel thread, I wanted to know more about the ULSD. I fueled up the 300D 2.5t Friday ($2.59/gal) and noticed that the Shell station now has the new ultra low # 2. Inside the station, they had a Shell pamphlet of Q A about ULSD-much of what has been covered on this list. ... Snip... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode
More specifically, it was was 81-85 300SD with the turbo 617 with ~120hp On 10/31/06, Dave Wakin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They used a 126 300SD to run on cooking oil awhile back, would guess they used the same car. Dave Wakin - Original Message - From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 2:25 AM Subject: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode Another list (sound system related) is discussing a mythbusters episode that used a Mercedes diesel to determine if a car could be destroy by a subwoofer. I guess they used the driveshaft to operate a cam. I don't trust any of the folks on _that_ list to identify the car. Since the discussion includes the horsepower needed to reach a particular dB SPL, I figured I could sort them out - but only if I can figure out which car/which engine. Any of you seen this episode? Can you tell me which car they cut up for the project? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Can Kaleb Beat This?
Uh, please excuse me while I clean my pants out -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:16:47 -0500 From: Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can Kaleb Beat This? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sorry, but you do not have permission to use this feature. If you are not logged in, you may do so using the form below if available. -- Whoops. Try this: http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2104/001yf5.jpg http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2160/002yg9.jpg http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4521/003lg0.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4720/121276309842004100300amvk2.jpg http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4756/10001ig3.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3816/10901xd3.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1005/pagode02ia7.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/642/schrott001yo7.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3237/schrott002zh5.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2043/schrott005gm4.jpg http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7108/schrott010tm8.jpg http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7180/schrott023qg8.jpg Tim 1982 300TD Moby (for sale) 1991 300TE 4Matic Beulah
Re: [MBZ] Mythbusters sub-woofer episode
It sounds like the general view is that it was a 300SD, W126. Thanks guys!! -- Philip
Re: [MBZ] FW: Ultra Low sulfur Diesel
Levi Smith wrote: That would be the correct label for anything other than ULSD... If you were at a normal LSD pump that is the correct label. Are they really calling Low Sulfur Diesel LSD these days? That has to make for a lot of misunderstandings... Lee
Re: [MBZ] FW: Ultra Low sulfur Diesel
I believe that label is correct - meaning vehicles of '07 newer will need a newer type of diesel. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: Ultra Low sulfur Diesel I read the warning label on the pump, and I think the station I was at must have had a misprinted label. It said, if I recall, that running this low sulfur fuel in post-'07 vehicles is bad. I have been wondering ever since I read that label. I'll have to look at others. Brian 83 240D On 10/30/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the risk of starting another fuel thread, I wanted to know more about the ULSD. I fueled up the 300D 2.5t Friday ($2.59/gal) and noticed that the Shell station now has the new ultra low # 2. Inside the station, they had a Shell pamphlet of Q A about ULSD-much of what has been covered on this list. ... Snip... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.20/508 - Release Date: 10/31/2006
Re: [MBZ] Can Kaleb Beat This?
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7108/schrott010tm8.jpg Sacrilege! There is a Buick in the mix! :-) Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT
[MBZ] 83 300D fuel mileage
My 83 300D got 24.2 combined 24.0 highway, turnpike mileage;; my 85 300D California model got 26.1 highway, turnpike mileage?; what is this about these cars supposedly getting 30-50 m.p.g.; my 240D (with new engine) gets the same as the 83 300D? Steve
[MBZ] 83 steering box change
I think the pitman arm shaft has 1 larger spline to only go on 1 way; i have changed gearboxes by myself;(not fun) put at least 1 mounting bolt thru use long ext. bar with socket, lift st. box up with left hand push 1 mt. bolt thru w. right hand to start 1 bolt; that will hold the weight, then the other 2 bolts are easy; if you leave the multi. splined end of the flex connector on gearbox, it should still be in alignment or close; steering wheel alignment can be made by equal adjustments on Both sides of tie rods, or removing St. wheel? Steve
Re: [MBZ] FW: Ultra Low sulfur Diesel
Brian, that sticker's correct; new 'Clean Diesel' vehicles require ULTRA Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD). the confusion stems from the fact that although ULSD is now available, Low Sulfur Diesel (LSD) will still be allowed to be available alongside it for several years in some places, necessitating the sticker you saw. because of this goofy mix (forced by successful lobbying, mostly of the US Trucking industry,) some manufacturers of the new Clean Diesel technology already in use in Europe and elsewhere are loathe to bring their offerings to the US until the risk of putting the 'wrong' fuel in the tank is eliminated, so it'll probably be a while before we get all of the coolest new diesels...! ;-* cheers! e Zoltan Finks wrote: I read the warning label on the pump, and I think the station I was at must have had a misprinted label. It said, if I recall, that running this low sulfur fuel in post-'07 vehicles is bad. I have been wondering ever since I read that label. I'll have to look at others. Brian 83 240D On 10/30/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the risk of starting another fuel thread, I wanted to know more about the ULSD. I fueled up the 300D 2.5t Friday ($2.59/gal) and noticed that the Shell station now has the new ultra low # 2. Inside the station, they had a Shell pamphlet of Q A about ULSD-much of what has been covered on this list. ... Snip...
Re: [MBZ] 83 300D fuel mileage
30mpg is excellent and rare. Anything higher, and someone is smoking crack, has a broken/slow odometer, or they're just flat out lying. My CD runs about 28 on the highway. The SD runs about 26-27. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Stephen D Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My 83 300D got 24.2 combined 24.0 highway, turnpike mileage;; my 85 300D California model got 26.1 highway, turnpike mileage?; what is this about these cars supposedly getting 30-50 m.p.g.; my 240D (with new engine) gets the same as the 83 300D? Steve
Re: [MBZ] 83 300D fuel mileage
Thats low for the 240D, mine could regularly do 28mpg with the max at 32mpg over 50,000 miles. The best mileage a 240D will produce from my experience was at around 60mph. If I could have stood it I'm sure I could have gotten well over 35mpg by cruising all day at 60mph. Mine was an '83 240D 4spd manual. -Curt Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:43:01 -0600 From: Stephen D Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 83 300D fuel mileage To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My 83 300D got 24.2 combined 24.0 highway, turnpike mileage;; my 85 300D California model got 26.1 highway, turnpike mileage?; what is this about these cars supposedly getting 30-50 m.p.g.; my 240D (with new engine) gets the same as the 83 300D? Steve - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 31 18:19:17 2006 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com ([64.233.162.195]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeyCi-8V-G7 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:19:16 + Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id r28so1572586nza for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:19:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.75.1 with SMTP id c1mr7087822pyl; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:19:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.129.8 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:19:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:19:07 -0500 From: Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp1 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 83 300D fuel mileage X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:19:19 - Shortly after I did a valve job on my car, there were several tanks where I got 32+MPG with mostly highway driving, and nearly 30MPG in town. I attribute this to good fuel, perfectly set injection timing, no stretch on a new chain, excellent compression from the valve job and a fairly low mileage bottom end (~110k), no carbon in the prechambers, excellent injectors (inc 3 rebuilts with very tight pop pressures) good air flow from a clean head and intake, properly adjusted valves, maintaining high tire pressures, not riding around with much more in the car except my then 175lb self, and, being 17 and paying for my own insurance and gas, driving within the speed limit. In the last 40k miles and 4+ years, thats slowly dropped down to about 28 on mostly highway driving (now usually closer to 80 than 65 or 70) and 26-27 around town. On 10/31/06, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 30mpg is excellent and rare. Anything higher, and someone is smoking crack, has a broken/slow odometer, or they're just flat out lying. My CD runs about 28 on the highway. The SD runs about 26-27. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Stephen D Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My 83 300D got 24.2 combined 24.0 highway, turnpike mileage;; my 85 300D California model got 26.1 highway, turnpike mileage?; what is this about these cars supposedly getting 30-50 m.p.g.; my 240D (with new engine) gets the same as the 83 300D? Steve ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 83 300D fuel mileage
In a perfect world.. Don't we all wish we could have perfect injection timing, no timing chain stretch, valve job, clean prechambers, tight injectors, etc. drool. Maybe I'll achieve that with the SDL when I RR the head :) -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Shortly after I did a valve job on my car, there were several tanks where I got 32+MPG with mostly highway driving, and nearly 30MPG in town. I attribute this to good fuel, perfectly set injection timing, no stretch on a new chain, excellent compression from the valve job and a fairly low mileage bottom end (~110k), no carbon in the prechambers, excellent injectors (inc 3 rebuilts with very tight pop pressures) good air flow from a clean head and intake, properly adjusted valves, maintaining high tire pressures, not riding around with much more in the car except my then 175lb self, and, being 17 and paying for my own insurance and gas, driving within the speed limit. In the last 40k miles and 4+ years, thats slowly dropped down to about 28 on mostly highway driving (now usually closer to 80 than 65 or 70) and 26-27 around town.
Re: [MBZ] Columbus CL 300TE
Wonder what this means: Needs nothing to be a daily driver On 10/30/06, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://columbus.craigslist.org/car/227757628.html Thought a lister wanted this? -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Part number for 617.912 engine shocks - Bellvilles
Barry Thanks for your helpful reply. Now that you mention it, I do believe my fixer saying a long time ago that the struts functioned exactly as you say. Yes, all the engine mounts have been renewed very recently. But we haven't ever looked at the Bellville washers. To my knowledge (18 years of owning this glorious wagon), the header pipe has never been detached. Could the washers malfunction anyway? Or maybe, just maybe, one of those dawky pimpled butchers employed habitually by exhaust-fix franchises pulled things apart on a previous fix? Cheers Euan Christchurch NZ Euan - Save your money ,and maybe go to a knowledgeable M/B fixer. All the little shocks do is to dampen out the shaking when you shut off the engine, high compressions engines shudder a bit as they stop. Have you replaced all three engine mounts lately? How about the Bellville washers on your header pipe, are they assembled correctly and tightened per the instructions in the manual?
Re: [MBZ] SDL motor mounts.
Cold weather Loren? Shoot, it's 70 here. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 2:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] SDL motor mounts. I finally ordered new mounts for my SDL, and went out to size up the job. I quickly concluded it ain't as simple as on the 110,111,108,123 cars. I could do the 200D mounts from on top in a few minutes with a bottle jack under the oil pan. I have gathered that I should put the SDL front up on ramps, then use a floor jack to support the engine, and that the big bolts have to be taken out from below, and the small allen bolts from above/below as the case may be. Can anyone who has BTDT give any pointers, or tell me any gotchas? How long should it take? Being cold weather now, I am not looking forward to crawling under the car for what I used to be able to do topside. Loren 86 SDL, 400k on 14 head ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 83 300D fuel mileage
Hi Stephen, My 78 240D with fully rebuilt engine (now with ~30k miles on it) only gets the mid 20's mpg. Doesn't seem to matter what I do or how I drive - it cranks out a steady ~24mpg. When other people write about getting in the 30's in their 240D I often wonder what I'm doing wrong - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Stephen D Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: [MBZ] 83 300D fuel mileage My 83 300D got 24.2 combined 24.0 highway, turnpike mileage;; my 85 300D California model got 26.1 highway, turnpike mileage?; what is this about these cars supposedly getting 30-50 m.p.g.; my 240D (with new engine) gets the same as the 83 300D? Steve ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.20/508 - Release Date: 10/31/2006
Re: [MBZ] SDL motor mounts.
30 something high here, and dark shortly after 5 pm. Blow some of that hot air up here! Please? (keep talkin') At 02:34 PM 10/31/2006, you wrote: Cold weather Loren? Shoot, it's 70 here.
[MBZ] W124 Test Device for Idle Speed Control
Howdy - I still have a idle problem - when driving and I let of the accelerator to stop for a light or whatever my idle will drop to ~450-500rpm for a few seconds before stabilizing. The WSM has a variety of things that might help. There's a connection next to the battery with a little cover - when the cover comes off there a pin connection numbered 1 thru 8. It's mentioned on p18 of 07.1-0010 and shown as X92 on p19. There's a sketch of it with test probbes in 3 ports - What I need to know is - where can I get the diagnostic thingie to read the fault codes? It's mentioned on p18. The test connector is called X92 or X11/4. It seems to be more a wiring rig than a electronic gadget (I think). Anyway, I'm still reading all 89 page of this section but there are definately more inputs for the idle speed than on the W123 cars. There's a flywheel speed sensor which also provides input to the ELR/ARA Control Unit (N8/1) or the Electronic Idle Speed Control Unit (N8) and an actuator (Y22) maintains constant idle rpm irrespective of engine load. It take some concentration to understand it as they mix gas and diesel systems as well as W140/W126/W201/W124 models - as well as years and nationalities so it's taking me a while to understand what I'm reading. Anyway, I need the test thing ;-) TIA - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ .
Re: [MBZ] SDL motor mounts.
I just did them on my 87 SDL. I did not like the amount of weight I was having to put on the oil pan to take the weight off the mounts, so I pulled out the engine lift. I ended up lifting the whole engine and transmission a wee bit to get the old mounts out, then a good bit more to get the new mounts in. The drivers side was easy. What you said pretty much sums it all up. The passenger side was a bit harder to get to. I cross threaded the big bolt on that side just enough so I could not get the bolt started correctly. Ended up taking the aluminum fixture off that the engine mount bolts to (attached to the block), then cleared the threads with a tap and left the aluminum thing loose until the bolt was threaded, then tightened everything up. You definitely want to start the bolts by hand - they are going into aluminum. Both engine shocks were shot too. I removed them and the mounts. Have not replaced them yet. Damn if I can figure out what good they are. -Dave Walton 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 On 10/31/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I finally ordered new mounts for my SDL, and went out to size up the job. I quickly concluded it ain't as simple as on the 110,111,108,123 cars. I could do the 200D mounts from on top in a few minutes with a bottle jack under the oil pan. I have gathered that I should put the SDL front up on ramps, then use a floor jack to support the engine, and that the big bolts have to be taken out from below, and the small allen bolts from above/below as the case may be. Can anyone who has BTDT give any pointers, or tell me any gotchas? How long should it take? Being cold weather now, I am not looking forward to crawling under the car for what I used to be able to do topside. Loren 86 SDL, 400k on 14 head ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL motor mounts.
thanks, Dave, that is what I was looking for. One thing you need to watch for: The motor mounting arm bolts into the block go into the crankcase, and will leak oil if not sealed with silicone or crush washers. My 87 SDL had a big leak out of the mounting bolts on the driver's side. I took em out, cleaned with aerosol brake cleaner, and put permatex blue silicone on the bolts. No leaks now. (from there) At 03:39 PM 10/31/2006, you wrote: I just did them on my 87 SDL. I did not like the amount of weight I was having to put on the oil pan to take the weight off the mounts, so I pulled out the engine lift. I ended up lifting the whole engine and transmission a wee bit to get the old mounts out, then a good bit more to get the new mounts in. The drivers side was easy. What you said pretty much sums it all up. The passenger side was a bit harder to get to. I cross threaded the big bolt on that side just enough so I could not get the bolt started correctly. Ended up taking the aluminum fixture off that the engine mount bolts to (attached to the block), then cleared the threads with a tap and left the aluminum thing loose until the bolt was threaded, then tightened everything up. You definitely want to start the bolts by hand - they are going into aluminum. Both engine shocks were shot too. I removed them and the mounts. Have not replaced them yet. Damn if I can figure out what good they are. -Dave Walton 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 On 10/31/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I finally ordered new mounts for my SDL, and went out to size up the job. I quickly concluded it ain't as simple as on the 110,111,108,123 cars. I could do the 200D mounts from on top in a few minutes with a bottle jack under the oil pan. I have gathered that I should put the SDL front up on ramps, then use a floor jack to support the engine, and that the big bolts have to be taken out from below, and the small allen bolts from above/below as the case may be. Can anyone who has BTDT give any pointers, or tell me any gotchas? How long should it take? Being cold weather now, I am not looking forward to crawling under the car for what I used to be able to do topside. Loren 86 SDL, 400k on 14 head ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
[MBZ] lock up torque converter/ transmission for 117
Does anyone know if Mercedes ever made a transmission with a lock up torque converter that will bolt up to a 117 engine in a W126? A friend of mine asked what could be done to a W126 to get better fuel mileage, so my first thoughts were lock up converter and an electric fan, remove fan clutch. Trampas
Re: [MBZ] 83 300D fuel mileage
You folks should come up north. We get sold liters now but in order to figure out mileage, those of us who are a bit over the hill convert to gallons. Of course we remember imperial gallons which are a bit bigger and make us happier when calculating mpg. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 2:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 83 300D fuel mileage Hi Stephen, My 78 240D with fully rebuilt engine (now with ~30k miles on it) only gets the mid 20's mpg. Doesn't seem to matter what I do or how I drive - it cranks out a steady ~24mpg. When other people write about getting in the 30's in their 240D I often wonder what I'm doing wrong - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
Re: [MBZ] Columbus CL 300TE
i think it translates to will run reliably, but won't be a concours queen in its current state. that, or you can drive it daily, but it's gonna break. Soon. On 10/31/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonder what this means: Needs nothing to be a daily driver On 10/30/06, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://columbus.craigslist.org/car/227757628.html Thought a lister wanted this? -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
[MBZ] OT, banking
Anybody here in the banking business or know about it? If so, email me offlist ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), I have some technical questions about the way checks are processed these days (ach etc). From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 01 00:28:23 2006 Received: from pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([207.69.195.67]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gf3xu-0003X9-SI for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 00:28:23 + Received: from dialup-4.253.113.216.dial1.cincinnati1.level3.net ([4.253.113.216]) by pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gf3xn-0006Hw-00 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:28:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:20:46 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Test Device for Idle Speed Control X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 00:28:23 - Clean the idle control valve and verify that you have no vacuum leaks -- this behavior is a almost always a result of the valve closing too much on coast due to a vac leak, then sticking shut as the engine speed comes down from the dirt. I doubt anything would show up on the diagnostics. The device you need is a LED with the ground provided by the test socket, I think. You count the flashes. Could be wrong, though, never used it. Peter
