Re: [MBZ] OM621 Questions
Loren Faeth wrote: I forgot to mention, as with any diesel where a tank of fuel sits over one or more summers, there is a very high probability of algae in the tank. Before you crank it, put the shock treatment of algicide (Stanadyne or equivalent) in the tank and mix it in the best you can. Have a spare fuel filter cartridge on hand also. You can change out the filter assy. with a spin on from a OM 616/617 if you want. You will probably need to make up some hoses or get all the hoses of the newer type fir the engine you robbed the filter housing from if you do this. The guys who work on pumps tell me that most pumps don't die from wear, they die from algae. If you ever see any black on the innards of an IP or lines containing Diesel, you need to be using algicide. You NEVER need to use an algaecide as long as you remove ALL water from the fuel tank several times a year and buy quality fuel. Algae can't live unless there is water in the tank. They live in the water - they EAT the fuel. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Taste, of a sort
Word. --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I kinda like mine with scissor doors, 22s, black window tint, and a big thumper sound system, yo. Don't forget the diamond studded grillz and big gold joolery. RLE
Re: [MBZ] OM621 Questions
Pour in a bit of ethanol and get them drunk, then they will just want to drink more and not eat your fuel. At least that's how it works for me. --R (going now for another homebrew) Marshall Booth wrote: You NEVER need to use an algaecide as long as you remove ALL water from the fuel tank several times a year and buy quality fuel. Algae can't live unless there is water in the tank. They live in the water - they EAT the fuel. Marshall
[MBZ] POS SDL
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-1986-Merzedes-Benz-300SDL-TurboDiesel_W0QQitemZ130080656782QQihZ003QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Feb 17 01:07:09 2007 Received: from smtp-out1.atlngahp.sys.nuvox.net ([70.43.63.18] helo=smtp01.atlngahp.sys.nuvox.net) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HIE2f-0002bb-0i; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:07:09 + Received: from TP730006 (209.248.238.162.nw.nuvox.net [209.248.238.162]) by smtp01.atlngahp.sys.nuvox.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id l1H16OKu014028; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:06:24 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Kaleb C. Striplin, Cox Auto Trader [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:06:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: [MBZ] cheap 124 wagon X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:07:09 - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1989-Mercedes-Benz-300TE-W124-Parts-Car-daily-driver_W0QQitemZ270090799385QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6783QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Feb 17 01:09:54 2007 Received: from alnrmhc16.comcast.net ([206.18.177.56]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HIE5K-0002u5-5R for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:09:54 + Received: from [192.168.0.2] (c-71-197-225-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net[71.197.225.160]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc16) with SMTP id 20070217010910b1600b60noe; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:09:10 + Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:10:05 -0800 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's Puzzler X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:09:55 - Not sure if Gump does. The salt shaker looks red when I crank, but since she lights off so quick, I have no real empirical data to say that the glow continues during cranking. I did try to keep glow while/after cranking on a really cold day. May have cooked a diode or something in the alternator because the charge light remained lit (softly) for the rest of the day while I drove around. On Feb 16, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: Are you sure of that statement Jim? I think that my 76 300D would be like the knob pull 240 but it uses the key. I'm not sure, I sold our key-start 240D that had the relay under the dash. I do know, courtesy of the salt shaker, that our knob car does not continue to glow while cranking, whereas I do know that the later underhood relay models do. Not sure of the one in the middle, but I believe it also glows while cranking. It's even possible that ours is also supposed to, but that the switch has partially failed. -- Jim -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] MB Chrysler
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, OK Don wrote: I'd consider a Crossfire - but that's about it. Thats really a SLK with a custom skinjob IIRC. -j.
Re: [MBZ] Short someplace?
Something to be procured at FLAPS? On Feb 16, 2007, at 3:25 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Brushes on the alternator are worn out. Easy replacement, just two screws. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] MB Chrysler
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, LarryT wrote: What's the concensus about the Chrysler Pacifica? Just curious - something about the looks I kinda like. Not in the market for anything - unless I fall into a W126 300SDL for a super price. Want one as a project car? make an offer. It runs but has lots of warts. (porcupine,compressor, driveline noise, belt tensioner) It has new oil lines and the tranny was replaced in the past 4 or 5 years Its in white marsh, MD. 410 335 2984 (its a black SDL, my brothers, parked at my parents. they want rid of it) Come on you know you want to make a Kaleb offer =) -j.
Re: [MBZ] DaimlerChrysler or Daimler, Chrysler?
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, kevin kraly wrote: A friend of mine drove a 1990 Camry practically since it was new, and why do you think he got rid of it? Well, he simply got tired of it! There was nothing wrong with the car, but he got the chance to buy a 2000 Deville from a family member who had passed away. Wifey didn't want him to get rid of the Camry since there wasn't anything wrong with it. It was a hard sell, but he's got the caddy now. The Deville is probably a bit more powerful, but it probably won't last as long. Laura and I got rid of a 1991 corolla LE... It was a rust bucket and the clutch went out on it (probably $1k to replace)... about 133k miles. (it went away maybe a year and a half ago) and was starting to smoke a bit and get noisy (needed valve seals and the hydraulic lifter shims examined.) -j.
Re: [MBZ] Short someplace?
Might also be regulator on the alternator-as it has been on my 240D. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short someplace? Something to be procured at FLAPS? On Feb 16, 2007, at 3:25 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Brushes on the alternator are worn out. Easy replacement, just two screws. Peter http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM621 Questions
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Marshall Booth wrote: You NEVER need to use an algaecide as long as you remove ALL water from the fuel tank several times a year and buy quality fuel. Algae can't live unless there is water in the tank. They live in the water - they EAT the fuel. How do you empty the fuel tank of water? im starting to get condensation in one of them (it is visible as ice on the inside of the fuel cap when I do my mornign fill-up) -j. -- 1985 300D Gerta 1999 E300Dt Hans 1999 E300Dt Frantz
Re: [MBZ] OM621 Questions
Rich Thomas wrote: Pour in a bit of ethanol and get them drunk, then they will just want to drink more and not eat your fuel. At least that's how it works for me. Ethanol (and other alcohols) sequester water - no water - bugs die and can't make more bugs! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] OM621 Questions
John W. Reames III wrote: On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Marshall Booth wrote: You NEVER need to use an algaecide as long as you remove ALL water from the fuel tank several times a year and buy quality fuel. Algae can't live unless there is water in the tank. They live in the water - they EAT the fuel. How do you empty the fuel tank of water? im starting to get condensation in one of them (it is visible as ice on the inside of the fuel cap when I do my mornign fill-up) If you add a water sequestering agent, each pint usually sequesters at least a pt of water (or more). Most anti-gels do essentially the same thing. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] MB quality vs the rest
I think it is Toyotas stringent quality control that has helped it be the number 1, not as many Monday morning and Friday afternoon cars. Therein lies the problem of the western auto makers, unions demand more money for their workers but don't care about the quality of the product they are building. Guess they will pay the price. The unions don't have one damned thing to do with it. Quality and reliability are designed in right at the get go. Component failure is the responsibility of those specifying who the suppliers are to be and what kind of quality control THEY use. Do you honestly believe that the third replacement of the driver's seat memory module (last month) in my own car is the fault of the person (no doubt a member of IG Metall) who installed the original unit at Sindelfingen or Bremen or the dealer tech who has installed the replacements? It was the designer of the unit that is at fault and the fault of DC for their poor choice of vendors. And this sort of thing, which DC has freely admitted, is why they have plummeted so far down the rankings in the various customer surveys. The cause of all this has been identified publicly and the managers involved have been replaced. If you had the opportunity to speak to the techs at a high volume dealer (I have, just today), they will tell you that warranty repairs on the latest cars have dropped considerably and in fact the new S-Classes are rarely seen except for routine service. Your insulting remark, claiming that the unions and the workers don't care about quality is pure baloney. After all, their jobs depend on customer sales and when they go to the competition, guess who's out of work. Not the CEO and his board of directors. RLE
Re: [MBZ] Short someplace?
In a message dated 2/16/2007 3:20:13 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gump is keeping her charge light on while I drive. Not the bright light you get prior to starting, but a subtle little glow that just will not go out. Is the battery going bad? Might the alternator not be doing its job of feeding more volts back? A short someplace quietly draining my battery? Assistance needed. 1972 220D, 85 month battery bought new in 9/04, fresh belt from Rusty in 11/06, started in the last cold snap when the light came and stayed on bright after starting her on a 20*f day Clay, If you haven't retentioned that new belt, I am betting it is slipping, especially trying to recover from cold starts and heavy glowing. Reach down and see if you can turn the fan pulley with a gloved hand. If it slips at all, it is too loose. by the way,isn't the voltage regiulator mounted separately from the alternator? Still could be brushes, but i am betting on a loose belt. Regards. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 147 K miles
Re: [MBZ] MB quality vs the rest
In my experience, it's almost never the actual workers who cause the quality problems (it does happen, but it's usually the result of nuts in the work place or management abuse). The operations of US manufacturers are exclusively controlled by management personnel, who should be (but aren't) taking the responsibility for the quality of the product. If Chrysler decides to have their transmissions built by unskilled labor in Mexico, don't blame the US worker when they fall apart! Peter
Re: [MBZ] Short someplace?
The voltage regulator is up on the fender on that car. Make sure the plug on both ends is tight. Make sure the belt is tight, and that you are actually getting output. I had to have my rebuilt, it was only putting out 4A! If the belt isn't slipping, take the alternator out and have it checked, it may be toast. Peter
Re: [MBZ] DaimlerChrysler or Daimler, Chrysler?
Dad still has his 1990 Camry. He got too old to drive it to Florida from Seattle like he was doing in the 90's, but it goes out on the road a few times every week. His dad had a '73 Dodge bought new until he died in 1986. That thing has nothing on Gump. Nobody wanted a low miles dodge back then. Sold it for $500 with 15k on the clock. On Feb 16, 2007, at 5:19 PM, John W. Reames III wrote: On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, kevin kraly wrote: A friend of mine drove a 1990 Camry practically since it was new, and why do you think he got rid of it? Well, he simply got tired of it! There was nothing wrong with the car, but he got the chance to buy a 2000 Deville from a family member who had passed away. Wifey didn't want him to get rid of the Camry since there wasn't anything wrong with it. It was a hard sell, but he's got the caddy now. The Deville is probably a bit more powerful, but it probably won't last as long. Laura and I got rid of a 1991 corolla LE... It was a rust bucket and the clutch went out on it (probably $1k to replace)... about 133k miles. (it went away maybe a year and a half ago) and was starting to smoke a bit and get noisy (needed valve seals and the hydraulic lifter shims examined.) -j. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 15, Issue 65
Well, I've shrunk to 5' 11, so mabye in a few more years -- ALL my cars are outdated MB technology! I would NEVER buy one new, you understand. On 2/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd consider a Crossfire - but that's about it. If you are 5'9 and can live with outdated MB technology. I like the convertible. RLE -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC
Re: [MBZ] MB Chrysler
Yup - the original SLK - not the new one. On 2/16/07, John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, OK Don wrote: I'd consider a Crossfire - but that's about it. Thats really a SLK with a custom skinjob IIRC. -j. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] MB Chrysler
yes, the aztec is very ugly, do they still make them? Another ugly vehicle is those scion things. those are fugly. Also, I have been seeing these toyota SUV things, those are really ugly too. LarryT wrote: I thought maybe I was the only one who thought they were ugly as hell! The cars look like they were designed by 8 year olds with ADD. I thought the Nissan Maxima was nice until my son drove one and said vision out the back was terrible because the C Pillars were so large. We had a 97 Chrysler Concord which my mother-in-law gave us (great MIL) the A Pillars caused visibility problems - especially when taking gentle curves. I wonder how much thought the designers really give to the people who have to eventually *drive* the new cars - after marketing sales have done their con jobs. The absolutely ugliest recent vehicle has to be the Pontiac Aztec. A mini-van looking like it's already been in a head-on collision right out of the showroom.. Later Dudes Dudettes -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Short someplace?
most likely the alternator is not charging. Redghost wrote: Gump is keeping her charge light on while I drive. Not the bright light you get prior to starting, but a subtle little glow that just will not go out. Is the battery going bad? Might the alternator not be doing its job of feeding more volts back? A short someplace quietly draining my battery? Assistance needed. 1972 220D, 85 month battery bought new in 9/04, fresh belt from Rusty in 11/06, started in the last cold snap when the light came and stayed on bright after starting her on a 20*f day -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Chrysler
It's the R class - listed in the light truck group. I think I read somewhere that some of the metal that makes the MB version nice and strong was removed to lighten the Pacifica --- But - *if* I wanted a new car - I might look at the Pacifica. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Today's Puzzler
I dont care, I just love the loop plugs for some reason. I guess the old fashionedness of them or something. Might be different if I HAD to depend on one to start regularly in the very cold winter mornings. As it is, I pretty much drive mostly 60x vehicles now and have not had to rely on an old style loop setup car for MANY years. LT Don wrote: Glory Hallelujah and Amen. The conversion -- and just the plugs using the original relay -- has been money well spent w/ my '77 240D. My car with the change to pencil plugs starts in the winter like it started in the summer with loop plugs. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Reserve Fuel Can
Well I couldn't resist anymore and bought one of those reserve fuel cans that fit inside the spare you see all the time on ebay. Now that I have it I was wondering if someone could share the story behind them with me. This is the can that fits in the spare wheel, what applications originally used this container? Was their a special bolt that held it in, as the stock one is too short to reach though it to the mounting bolt? Was this a european market only item? Many Thanks, Eric Anderton 85 300DT 74 240D 74 240D (parts car)
Re: [MBZ] Short someplace?
Gump is keeping her charge light on while I drive. Not the bright light you get prior to starting, but a subtle little glow that just will not go out. Remember the circuit that is the alternator. The charge light is hooked between the field and the battery. If the alternator is not generating current the light supplies field current. If there is a bad connection to the battery, current will flow backwards through the light, also lighting it. In other words, it could be any number of things. A voltmeter and an ammeter are really required in order to be able to pinpoint what is truly going on. I'd check the brushes first, the belt tightness, and the state of the connections between the alternator and the battery. The voltage regulator is up on the fender on that car. The Frankenheap also has a VR on the fender, but it is bypassed. The alternator was replaced long ago by a more modern one. It helps to _know_ what you have for sure. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Reserve Fuel Can
Well, I've never seen one on eBay - could you post a link to an auction? On 2/16/07, Eric Anderton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I couldn't resist anymore and bought one of those reserve fuel cans that fit inside the spare you see all the time on ebay. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Reserve Fuel Can
the only time I have seen them were for certain older models and they were VERY expensive. Did you get one for newer cars? Eric Anderton wrote: Well I couldn't resist anymore and bought one of those reserve fuel cans that fit inside the spare you see all the time on ebay. Now that I have it I was wondering if someone could share the story behind them with me. This is the can that fits in the spare wheel, what applications originally used this container? Was their a special bolt that held it in, as the stock one is too short to reach though it to the mounting bolt? Was this a european market only item? Many Thanks, Eric Anderton 85 300DT 74 240D 74 240D (parts car) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
[MBZ] DC dumping chrysler?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17186900/ -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Puzzler
I keep lusting after the engine in the 190D (w110) at the PnP. That thing is headed to the crusher on monday, but the engine is just too ... The loop back is metal line and injector lines and IP are sealed with some goop the makes it near impossible to remove the IP with ease or get those injectors out. I know the engine was running when it arrived at the yard, and the body is still there and good shape. Was at some Beaner dealer who was not able to convince anybody to blow a wad of cash for it. Sad to see it go. On Feb 16, 2007, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I dont care, I just love the loop plugs for some reason. I guess the old fashionedness of them or something. Might be different if I HAD to depend on one to start regularly in the very cold winter mornings. As it is, I pretty much drive mostly 60x vehicles now and have not had to rely on an old style loop setup car for MANY years. LT Don wrote: Glory Hallelujah and Amen. The conversion -- and just the plugs using the original relay -- has been money well spent w/ my '77 240D. My car with the change to pencil plugs starts in the winter like it started in the summer with loop plugs. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
[MBZ] French GPs - Was 300SD GPs dont always go out
I read that DieselGiant article on testing the glow system. Actually helped me a lot since I've little experience with electrical or working on diesels. (yes I know I deserve 30 lashes with a wet noodle) The thing I wonder about is the part that stated that we should make sure to only purchase German-made plugs (also referred to in said article as OEM). When I recently bought my Bosch GPs, I noticed that they were made in France according to what was written on the package. Is there a type of Bosch made in Germany and a type of Bosch that is made in France? Brian 83 240D
Re: [MBZ] Short someplace?
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:26:28 -0500 Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Might also be regulator on the alternator-as it has been on my 240D. On my '72 220D, the regulator was a relay-type on the right fenderwell. Craig
Re: [MBZ] MB Chrysler
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yes, the aztec is very ugly, do they still make them? No, thank God. Although I hear they are pretty nice to own, likewise the Avalanche. Another ugly vehicle is those scion things. The Xb box on wheels? Not sure which is worse, that or the Honda Element. I think the Xa is probably a decent little car. Xb is overpriced and I can't get past the looks.
Re: [MBZ] For those who enjoy classic Mercedes Benz
Loren - Looks like a neat set of trips, apparently held every other year. Wonder how much it would cost to get the SD over there.. You might note that especially the 2001 trip was not limited to M-B cars - a quick glance showed a Caddy and a few other cars! Werner - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:59 PM Subject: [MBZ] For those who enjoy classic Mercedes Benz It helps if you can read German www.stern-fahrt.de Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] For those who enjoy classic Mercedes Benz
Hey Werner.. Just for info to the non-german speakers amongst us.. Stern fahrt means STAR DRIVE... Not what some folks might presume to be a rear belch.. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Feb 16, 2007, at 10:12 PM, Werner Fehlauer wrote: Loren - Looks like a neat set of trips, apparently held every other year. Wonder how much it would cost to get the SD over there.. You might note that especially the 2001 trip was not limited to M-B cars - a quick glance showed a Caddy and a few other cars! Werner - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:59 PM Subject: [MBZ] For those who enjoy classic Mercedes Benz It helps if you can read German www.stern-fahrt.de Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rough idling '83 300D
In a message dated 2/16/2007 5:41:25 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My '83 300D idles very smoothly when started cold. After it's warmed up, it idles roughly. After 5 or 10 miles on the highway it will sometimes sound like a cylinder is missing. By the time I get home and crack the injector lines, it is always idling better. I took along wrenches and cracked the injector lines along the road when it was missing badly. I could not tell which cylinder was worse. Each cylinder definitely began missing as I cracked the lines. I am wondering if the problem is most likely to be injectors, injector pump seals, a compression problem, or something to do with injector pump adjustment. The fact that it idles so perfectly when first started seems strange. Have you blocked your EGR valve? Not just plugging the vacuum line, but actually putting a thin plate over the hole. Sometimes the egr will leak through and lean out one cylinder, more than the others. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 147 K miles I put a copper plate in behind the EGR valve gasket at the intake manifold and just now got back from town (28 miles). It still idles rough after warming up; no change. Jim Cathey suggested that there might be air leaking into the fuel system but I'm not sure how to check for that. It definitely idles like one cylinder is weaker than the others. Thanks, Jim. Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D
Re: [MBZ] MB Chrysler
Just wait until the Challenger comes out.. I checked it out at the Chicago Auto Show and if it looks anything like the prototype they'll have a winner on their hands Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Chrysler Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the chrysler 300 is one of the few domestic cars i'd actually buy. others include the ford focus, Jeep Cherokee (still made?), and that's about it. got any others? I rather like the look of the Dodge Magnum. Have never driven one, so can't say whether I'd buy one. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.
Re: [MBZ] MB Chrysler
I think the 300C doesn't really look all that bad, besides they do sell alot of them. You can't honestly judge every car by looks alone. Mercedes has had their share of ho hum plain janes too.. Looks don't make the car Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Chrysler Hendrik told us: The sooner Daimler-Benz gets rid of Chrysler, the better. I mean, that 300C would have to be the ugliest thing on the planet (it's like a shoebox on wheels) I think the PT Cruiser Convertable is uglier...with the top down, it looks like a claw foot bathtub on wheels. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 167K '87 Acura Legend 182K Litchfield Park, AZ .com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.
[MBZ] Re : Reserve Fuel Can
On 16 Feb, Eric wrote : Well I couldn't resist anymore and bought one of those reserve fuel cans that fit inside the spare you see all the time on ebay. Now that I have it I was wondering if someone could share the story behind them with me. This is the can that fits in the spare wheel, what applications originally used this container? Was their a special bolt that held it in, as the stock one is too short to reach though it to the mounting bolt? Was this a european market only item? Eric I bought one of the 'pukka' MB ones some time back for my old 560SEL - the MB parts guy told me there where only 2 left in stock in Germany ! MB part numbers : Safety fuel can : B 67 58 0035 Fitting kit : B 67 58 0037 It fitted inside the plastic 'bowl' insert that fits inside the spare wheel - the 'fitting kit ' was a longer bolt, and there were instuctions to show you how drill a hole in the centre 'post' plastic bowl so the bolt could pass through I transferred it to my 190E - it's a great piece of kit which I can recommend ( the can that is ... ) I can take pictures if anyone is interested Howard Fulford Bath England 190E '89 2.0 litre, 154732 miles
[MBZ] Reserve Fuel Tank
I found a NOS tank on the German Ebay site. ebay.com/de just enter in your chassis and you shouldn't have too much trouble finding one. Eric Anderton
Re: [MBZ] OM621 Questions
Thanks for all the tips, guys. I didn't get a chance to work on it yesterday, but should be able to get to it in the coming week. I'm hopeful that it won't have any problems with algae. The car has been in climate controlled storage all this time; last spring I revived an '83 300D that had been stored alongside the Finny and had traveled less than 100 miles since 1993. All it took to get it going and running nigh unto perfectly on that ancient fuel was a fresh battery and a turn of the key, so hope springs eternal. I'll keep you posted on my progess. Tom
Re: [MBZ] Reserve Fuel Can
Here's one currently on eBay - 150092451551 - says it's for W108, W113, W115 W116 - currently at $125 with a Buy it Now of $135. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Reserve Fuel Can the only time I have seen them were for certain older models and they were VERY expensive. Did you get one for newer cars? Eric Anderton wrote: Well I couldn't resist anymore and bought one of those reserve fuel cans that fit inside the spare you see all the time on ebay. Now that I have it I was wondering if someone could share the story behind them with me. This is the can that fits in the spare wheel, what applications originally used this container? Was their a special bolt that held it in, as the stock one is too short to reach though it to the mounting bolt? Was this a european market only item? Many Thanks, Eric Anderton 85 300DT 74 240D 74 240D (parts car) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.0/689 - Release Date: 2/15/2007
Re: [MBZ] For those who enjoy classic Mercedes Benz
Yes, Chuck - I would hope that anyone interested in items related to Mercedes-Benz would understand what Stern-Fahrt meant, but then I suppose that it is dangerous to assume. I spent a bit of time looking at the various trips, previous year's photos, and even signed up for their newsletter. Obviously would be a real push to think of doing it this year, but maybe 2009? (too many neat things to do in life, way too little time!) Werner - Original Message - From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] For those who enjoy classic Mercedes Benz Hey Werner.. Just for info to the non-german speakers amongst us.. Stern fahrt means STAR DRIVE... Not what some folks might presume to be a rear belch.. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Feb 16, 2007, at 10:12 PM, Werner Fehlauer wrote: Loren - Looks like a neat set of trips, apparently held every other year. Wonder how much it would cost to get the SD over there.. You might note that especially the 2001 trip was not limited to M-B cars - a quick glance showed a Caddy and a few other cars! Werner - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:59 PM Subject: [MBZ] For those who enjoy classic Mercedes Benz It helps if you can read German www.stern-fahrt.de Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] MB Chrysler
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, OK Don wrote: I'd consider a Crossfire - but that's about it. Thats really a SLK with a custom skinjob IIRC. -j. Yep- just recycled the chassis and shipped it w/new skin to Chrysler dealers who cannot and/or don't know how to fix the things and a supposed DCX mandate that MB dealers can't service them. Sounds like LOTS of fun to me. If you liked 'Merican cars from the 70's that you sat down low in with high belt lines and cheap plastic everywhere, you'll love the Magnum/Charger/300's. The Magnums are big cars with practically no cargo utility- its all about the styling. Tony Wirtel Tony Wirtel
Re: [MBZ] MB Chrysler
Just wait until the Challenger comes out.. I checked it out at the Chicago Auto Show and if it looks anything like the prototype they'll have a winner on their hands I can assure you that the production version will be very true to the concept vehicle. Ralph W. Currently engineering a good portion of the body panels on the Challenger.
Re: [MBZ] Toyhota quality
Before you start blaming the unions, ask yourself who brought about such decisions such as product line and design. Management has killed the American automakers, not the unions. And the fact that the US still has an antiquated healthcare system that tacks on more cost to a new auto than the steel costs. Chris Kueny ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 78 Chevy Custom deluxe '85 300TD '02 Subaru Outback - Original Message - From: Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:54 PM Subject: [MBZ] Toyhota quality I think it is Toyotas stringent quality control that has helped it be the number 1, not as many Monday morning and Friday afternoon cars. Therein lies the problem of the western auto makers, unions demand more money for their workers but don't care about the quality of the product they are building. Guess they will pay the price. - Original Message - From: kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] DaimlerChrysler or Daimler, Chrysler? Toyota has build a reputation for building affordable and reliable transportation, boring as the rest of the Asian cars but the perception of quality is there. A friend of mine drove a 1990 Camry practically since it was new, and why do you think he got rid of it? Well, he simply got tired of it! There was nothing wrong with the car, but he got the chance to buy a 2000 Deville from a family member who had passed away. Wifey didn't want him to get rid of the Camry since there wasn't anything wrong with it. It was a hard sell, but he's got the caddy now. The Deville is probably a bit more powerful, but it probably won't last as long. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266K miles, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.0/689 - Release Date: 15/02/2007 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] This is the fast lane!
Hi all, Click on this and have a great ride... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ
