[MBZ] Pinched from www.sniffpetrol.com
DAIMLERCHRYSLER DESPARATELY DITCHES DIRE DIVISION Dr Zetsche is trying to get rid of some more problems. Yesterday an American Mercedes buyer got more than he bargained for this week when he opened the boot of his brand new E-class to find someone had left Chrysler in it! Cock Hamburglar of Arizona had just collected his shiny new car from Grunting Mercedes in Scottsdale and was on his way home when he heard a strange noise coming from the back of the car. It sounded metallic, kinda like car production in under-capacity factories, Mr Hamburglar said later. But it was overlaid with this whining sound, sorta like the noise you get when your pensions burden exceed your profit projections. So I stopped to take a look in the trunk and I simply could not believe my eyes. It was the entire Chrysler Corporation! Well, I turned right around and headed straight back to the Benz showroom so they could remove it before it started getting inadequate model development and low quality standards all over my trunk carpet. Mr Hamburglar's misfortune might initially seem to be nothing more than a simple accident. In fact, there is growing evidence that it may be the latest in Mercedes-Benz's increasingly elaborate attempts to get rid of its American division. Two weeks before the ailing car maker turned up in a retiree's boot, police in Michigan reported apprehending two men with strong German accents trying to throw several sizeable objects into the Detroit River. Our officers noticed the men attempting to hoist a sack over bridge railings at approximately 1:30am, said a police sspokmean. The sack appeared to contain two under-utilised automobile production facilities under heavy union control. In the open trunk of a nearby vehicle officers observed several other sacks, at least one possibly containing full size clay models of unattractive cars crudely saddled with generic styling cues of a retro nature, and 20,000 unsold Jeep Commanders. Upon being approached, the two men fled in their vehicle, openly sobbing. Meanwhile, only this week staff at John F Kennedy airport prized open a suspicious left luggage locker to find it had been stuffed with financially crippling healthcare commitments and 30,000 unsold Jeep Commanders. Furthermore, at this week's New York motor show DaimlerChrysler boss Dr Dieter Zetsche was seen acting suspiciously around other car maker's stands before clearly abandoning a large briefcase near to the BMW display. When the case was returned to him, Dr Zetsche initially tried to deny all knowledge that it was his, a plee he swiftly retracted when the briefcase was opened and found to contain woeful inefficiency and a failure to anticipate trends towards smaller vehicles in the US and global non-premium markets. All of this means nothing, said a DaimlerChrysler pskoesman later. We are talking to a number of parties interesting in Chrysler and there is no suggestion that we literally can't give it away. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [MBZ] Freightliner motorhome
Steve MacSween wrote: THAT pocket rocket is $85k new? Oy, vadda vadda. A new Sprinter is somewhere in the $30k range, so Gulfstream places a high value on their modifications.
Re: [MBZ] 124 shaking in neutral
Visual inspection does not reveil any problems. CV joint boots, driveshaft donuts and center bearing, motor and transmission mounts; all look intakt. That does not mean anything though (the rubber I removed on the 126 subframe looked just as good as the new stuff). Killed the engine, no change. Haven't jacked the rear up jet and take a looksy whith the drive shaft running. On 4/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It could be the engine mounts.. whats the condition of those? Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 shaking in neutral It only vibrates when the wheels are rolling, i.e. the driveshaft is turning. My thinking is that the shaft flutters under no-load conditions and smoothens out when torque is present. The vibration is really all over, but can be felt at the steering wheel. Feels like driving on cobble stone. On 4/4/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am suspecting one of the drive shaft donuts. When I put the shifter in neutral to let it coast to the red light, I feel a vibration in the steering wheel. Put it back in D it goes away. I don't really have a suggestion other than I doubt that something towards the back like that will much affect the steering wheel. I suspect the engine is running ratty for some reason under those conditions. What is the characteristic as you coast fully to a stop? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
[MBZ] only in Oklahoma
So we have been in the 80's up till yesterday. Right now it is snowing heavy. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 shaking in neutral
Killed the engine, no change. That should pretty much eliminate anything forwards of the middle of the transmission. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Belleville washers - THANKS BUT...
Nor do I. Are you sure all the mounts are there and functional? Especially the set in the middle that tie to the transmission? I'm not sure but I'm gonna go lookin'. It's the one thing I haven't checked properly. There are also _two_ pairs of rubber donuts at the muffler, one set before and one aft. And rubber bumpers _above_ the muffler. -- Jim
[MBZ] OT: cities with the safest drivers
Where are the safest drivers in the country? A new magazine ranking says Des Moines, Iowa. But the cities that follow on the list from Men's Health Magazine may be somewhat puzzling. After Des Moines are Jersey City, New Jersey; New York City; Yonkers, New York, and San Francisco. And where are the worst drivers? Columbia, South Carolina,leads the list, followed by St. Louis; Greensboro, North Carolina; Jackson, Mississippi, and Cheyenne, Wyoming. The survey used data from National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Allstate Insurance and the Governors Highway Safety Association to rank 100 cities. The key factors in deciding the rankings include the total number of fatal accidents and fatal crashes caused by speeding. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] OT: cities with the safest drivers
OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where are the safest drivers in the country? A new magazine ranking says Des Moines, Iowa. Do they break it down by marque? I've always found Volvo drivers to be among the worst...at least in my locality. But the cities that follow on the list from Men's Health Magazine may be somewhat puzzling. After Des Moines are Jersey City, New Jersey; New York City; Yonkers, New York, and San Francisco. And where are the worst drivers? Columbia, South Carolina,leads the list, followed by St. Louis; Greensboro, North Carolina; Jackson, Mississippi, and Cheyenne, Wyoming. The survey used data from National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Allstate Insurance and the Governors Highway Safety Association to rank 100 cities. The key factors in deciding the rankings include the total number of fatal accidents and fatal crashes caused by speeding. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] OT: cities with the safest drivers
My son and his wife live in Columbia, SC. Doubt they would argue with that ranking. I was there a couple of weeks ago and almost got clobbered by a guy turning across two lanes of traffic into my lane about the time I was getting there. Fortunately there was no one in the other lane so we didn't get a chance to meet BillR Jacksonville FL - home of very friendly drivers [but not necessarily safe ones] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don And where are the worst drivers? Columbia, South Carolina,leads the list,
Re: [MBZ] OT: cities with the safest drivers
I have to agree. Having driven in Boston, DC, Jax, and now Des Moines, Des Moines drivers go just as fast, but they do signal intentions and look over the shoulder before starting to cut in. I find that the jerks on I-80 / I-35 / I-235 have out-of-state plates, normally Oklahoma. On 4/5/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where are the safest drivers in the country? A new magazine ranking says Des Moines, Iowa. But the cities that follow on the list from Men's Health Magazine may be somewhat puzzling. After Des Moines are Jersey City, New Jersey; New York City; Yonkers, New York, and San Francisco. And where are the worst drivers? Columbia, South Carolina,leads the list, followed by St. Louis; Greensboro, North Carolina; Jackson, Mississippi, and Cheyenne, Wyoming. The survey used data from National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Allstate Insurance and the Governors Highway Safety Association to rank 100 cities. The key factors in deciding the rankings include the total number of fatal accidents and fatal crashes caused by speeding. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don The Crazy Coastie
Re: [MBZ] OT: cities with the safest drivers
Jersey City: the guy you are cutting off might be a Mafia Don. New York City: they catch a break after 9/11. Yonkers: manners in honor of the department store by the same name. San Fran: well, you know. On 4/5/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where are the safest drivers in the country? A new magazine ranking says Des Moines, Iowa. But the cities that follow on the list from Men's Health Magazine may be somewhat puzzling. After Des Moines are Jersey City, New Jersey; New York City; Yonkers, New York, and San Francisco. And where are the worst drivers? Columbia, South Carolina,leads the list, followed by St. Louis; Greensboro, North Carolina; Jackson, Mississippi, and Cheyenne, Wyoming. The survey used data from National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Allstate Insurance and the Governors Highway Safety Association to rank 100 cities. The key factors in deciding the rankings include the total number of fatal accidents and fatal crashes caused by speeding. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don The Crazy Coastie
[MBZ] Freightliner motorhome
Very nice and very tight/small. Built for a couple at most. 'Lady seller saId dog howled for 1300 miles. Wilton
[MBZ] Cruise Control?
Hi, All. This is an attempt to find out what's going on. Car:- 87 190DT. History:- Vehicle has been in at least one accident and received a cheap repair by some body shop that didn't care about their reputation. There are a few systems that had failed or were damaged in said accident. ie A/C plumbing, ABS control valve assy. (although it does still work), the security system box is missing, and the Tempomat box was unplugged. Checked inside the cruise control box and there are a few traces burned off. Further investigation revealed that the box, 002 545 16 32 is not the correct box according to the EPC. It should be 023 545 21 32. Question. Will the 002 545 21 32 or 003 545 09 32 work in this car without needing a fire extinguisher? Or must I find the correct(?) one 023 545 21 32? Help! Pleeez. TIA Fred Confuzulum Moir - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 06 02:51:07 2007 Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.134.190]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HZeXb-0005sp-ML for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 02:51:07 + Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w1so1226257mue for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.148.7 with SMTP id v7mr3810474bud.1175827864088; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.117.18 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:51:04 -0500 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cities with the safest drivers X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 02:51:08 - Ummm - I see that in cars with Texas tags --- On 4/5/07, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find that the jerks on I-80 / I-35 / I-235 have out-of-state plates, normally Oklahoma. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
[MBZ] OT VW Rabbit
Hello fellow MB-ers. I have an opportunity to pick one up for nothing since the owner and his father want it gone from the driveway. I believe it's a '78 which would mean that it's a German-made Rabbit not the US or Mexican models since it has round headlights and the horizontally slotted grill. The story is that the alt gave out and it wasn't thought of as being worth fixing. The car has been sitting for 2 or three years, so the plan is to set it up with a known good battery, fresh fuel and filters, and see what happens. I'm not sure if it needs oil put into the cylinders for added lubrication for the first few revs before oil pressure can be established, but it's easy enough to do. It's straight and has an OK interior, but it needs a MAJOR MAJOR cleanup. If it works out, it will be Papa's run around town car. I believe it has a 4 speed manny tranny which could be quite fun. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266K miles, Ursula 1978 VW Rabbit, FNU, LNU.
Re: [MBZ] OT VW Rabbit
Yep, that is a german made Rabbit and from what I know they are good for 300,000 to 400,000 miles with no major engine work needed. I think they made about 67hp, but they're pretty snappy with the 4 speed. Can't go wrong for free... Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 2:25 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT VW Rabbit Hello fellow MB-ers. I have an opportunity to pick one up for nothing since the owner and his father want it gone from the driveway. I believe it's a '78 which would mean that it's a German-made Rabbit not the US or Mexican models since it has round headlights and the horizontally slotted grill. The story is that the alt gave out and it wasn't thought of as being worth fixing. The car has been sitting for 2 or three years, so the plan is to set it up with a known good battery, fresh fuel and filters, and see what happens. I'm not sure if it needs oil put into the cylinders for added lubrication for the first few revs before oil pressure can be established, but it's easy enough to do. It's straight and has an OK interior, but it needs a MAJOR MAJOR cleanup. If it works out, it will be Papa's run around town car. I believe it has a 4 speed manny tranny which could be quite fun. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266K miles, Ursula 1978 VW Rabbit, FNU, LNU. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.
Re: [MBZ] OT VW Rabbit
Hi, Harry, and thanks for the info. 67hp is pretty good for a light, little Rabbit. I'll keep everyone posted on how it turns out. Do these 1.7L? engines require periodic valve clearance adjustment? Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266K miles, Ursula 1978 Rabbit, FNU,LNU, getting dragged in but hopefully driving out under its own power
Re: [MBZ] OT VW Rabbit
Kevin Kraly wrote: Hi, Harry, and thanks for the info. 67hp is pretty good for a light, little Rabbit. I'll keep everyone posted on how it turns out. Do these 1.7L? engines require periodic valve clearance adjustment? I believe all the bunny motors, gas and diesel, required valve adjustments. Which is yours, btw? Diesel (1.6L?) won't be anywhere near 70hp, but the early gas engines were in that range. I'd pull the spark (or glow) plugs, squirt in some oil, and crank it a while after the oil pressure comes up, then reinstall the plugs and attempt to start.
Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control?
Fred, don't forget I've got a totaled 190DT sitting in the pasture. Berryman got the wiper, and valdals got the badges, but it's otherwise complete.
Re: [MBZ] OT: cities with the safest drivers
You didn't know that Texas' leading export is no longer oil? Now it's just bad manners... Gary Thompson Georgetown, TX 1995 E320 On 4/5/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ummm - I see that in cars with Texas tags ---
Re: [MBZ] OT VW Rabbit
the adjustment is done with shims. It is a pain in the butt unless you have a selection of extra shims on hand. What I had to do the first time, was take a card write down the 8 valve positions and then mark down the existing clearance for each valve. Then you have to take out the shims of the valves that need adjustment and mark down what you have. I put those in the third row on the card. Unless you have the luxury of leaving the car sit while taken apart for a few days, the next step is to put it all back together. Order the shim sizes you need (Rusty has em) When you get the shims, then you pull out the ones you need to adjust, then put the ones that are the right size for another position into their new position, and put the new shims in the correct position. The size is supposed to go down so you can read the size next time. Then turn it over a few times and measure the clearance to be sure they are correct. wrap up the used shims because next time you may be able to reuse some of them. SAVE the CARD! Next time, you will be able to get the existing shim size from the card. Just measure the clearance, figure out what shims can be used in new positions, and if you need to order any new shims. Once in a while I was able to adjust the valves with existing shims and my spares. Having a metric micrometer is handy for the shims that some bozo put in with the numbers up so the cam wears off the size. You are supposed to have a special took to depress the valve so you can pull the shim. I never had the special tool. I love the OM 60x engines! thousands and millions of miles and you never have to adjust the valves. The Wabbits are nice because of the 50-60 mpg. Now tell me again why a 40 mpg prius is supposed to be so great... .. . oh yeah, cause they are so ugly. Lt Don's Quantum is WAY more car than a POS prius.(IMNTBHO) Loren 78 Wabbit Dissel (gone on to somewhere) (probably became a 92 buick that is now a stinking ugly prius) 83 Quantum 5 spd turbodiesel, (now Lt Don's) At 08:01 AM 4/6/2007, you wrote: Kevin Kraly wrote: Hi, Harry, and thanks for the info. 67hp is pretty good for a light, little Rabbit. I'll keep everyone posted on how it turns out. Do these 1.7L? engines require periodic valve clearance adjustment? I believe all the bunny motors, gas and diesel, required valve adjustments. Which is yours, btw? Diesel (1.6L?) won't be anywhere near 70hp, but the early gas engines were in that range. I'd pull the spark (or glow) plugs, squirt in some oil, and crank it a while after the oil pressure comes up, then reinstall the plugs and attempt to start. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
[MBZ] OT: Fuel economy, was VW Rabbit
Speaking of the economy of older cars - I just saw this, which only goes back to '92 -- http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4024682 I love the OM 60x engines! thousands and millions of miles and you never have to adjust the valves. The Wabbits are nice because of the 50-60 mpg. Now tell me again why a 40 mpg prius is supposed to be so great... .. . oh yeah, cause they are so ugly. Lt Don's Quantum is WAY more car than a POS prius.(IMNTBHO) Loren 78 Wabbit Dissel (gone on to somewhere) (probably became a 92 buick that is now a stinking ugly prius) 83 Quantum 5 spd turbodiesel, (now Lt Don's) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fuel economy, was VW Rabbit
Too bad they didn't go back further and include Diesels. The rabbits and 201 did pretty good. With the new bluetec engines, the same cars would wipe out the hybrid and gassers today. At 08:31 AM 4/6/2007, you wrote: Speaking of the economy of older cars - I just saw this, which only goes back to '92 -- http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4024682 Loren Faeth
[MBZ] Freightliner motorhome
Does this 154 hp MB CDI engine really have only 5 cyl? Willton
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fuel economy, was VW Rabbit
But the 1992 vs. today comparisons on fuel economy may not be comparable since EPA changed their formula for calculating the mileage. On 4/6/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too bad they didn't go back further and include Diesels. The rabbits and 201 did pretty good. With the new bluetec engines, the same cars would wipe out the hybrid and gassers today. At 08:31 AM 4/6/2007, you wrote: Speaking of the economy of older cars - I just saw this, which only goes back to '92 -- http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4024682 Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT VW Rabbit
The 1.5L in that car produced a pavement-pounding axle-swapping tire-grinding 48HP. The 1.6L produced 52HP. And, the 1.6L turbo produced 68HP (I think). I still pine for a pristine '79 German-built four door.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fuel economy, was VW Rabbit
More importantly, the auto makers have taken the pulse of the buying market, and are giving us exactly what we ask for. Most people would rather buy a 300+ HP rocket than a car that got 50MPG but only got from 0 to 60 in 15 seconds. :^( What the article doesn't say is the reason mileage has remained a constant is because the big automakers have derived what they consider the MPG pain threshold for each market, and would rather add performance under that pain threshold than raise the mileage. Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 4/6/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the 1992 vs. today comparisons on fuel economy may not be comparable since EPA changed their formula for calculating the mileage. On 4/6/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too bad they didn't go back further and include Diesels. The rabbits and 201 did pretty good. With the new bluetec engines, the same cars would wipe out the hybrid and gassers today. At 08:31 AM 4/6/2007, you wrote: Speaking of the economy of older cars - I just saw this, which only goes back to '92 -- http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4024682 Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Freightliner motorhome
on 4/5/07 22:18, wilton strickland at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nice and very tight/small. Built for a couple at most. 'Lady seller saId dog howled for 1300 miles. That is too funny. (Financially awful for the purchaser, but still damn funny.) Mac
Re: [MBZ] Pinched from www.sniffpetrol.com
on 4/5/07 20:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and 20,000 unsold Jeep Commanders. Heh. LOL. Whoever styled that thing should be in rehab. Mac
Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control?
Mitch, CRS struck again. What parts of the car were totalled? I'll send you a list, off list and you may send me a quote for what I need. Fred Moir Lynn MA The blood of Vikings and Picts runs out my nose, at least I think it's blud. Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fred, don't forget I've got a totaled 190DT sitting in the pasture. Berryman got the wiper, and valdals got the badges, but it's otherwise complete. - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 06 16:17:38 2007 Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net ([204.127.203.212]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HZr85-0006t9-QP for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:17:38 + Received: from lono2.leadingchange.com (12-216-11-137.client.mchsi.com[12.216.11.137]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with SMTP id 20070406161731m92005kt5de; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:17:31 + Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:05:04 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Fuel economy, was VW Rabbit X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:17:38 - True, but empirical evidence collected by drivers does not change. The old epa system over-rated mileage of gassers. For diesels, it was pretty accurate. the prius is currently over-rated in many ways, not just mileage. A well tuned diesel whether 40 years old, or 25 or less will get better mileage than gassers, and when driven by some drivers can exceed the epa estimates. At 09:18 AM 4/6/2007, you wrote: But the 1992 vs. today comparisons on fuel economy may not be comparable since EPA changed their formula for calculating the mileage. On 4/6/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too bad they didn't go back further and include Diesels. The rabbits and 201 did pretty good. With the new bluetec engines, the same cars would wipe out the hybrid and gassers today. At 08:31 AM 4/6/2007, you wrote: Speaking of the economy of older cars - I just saw this, which only goes back to '92 -- http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4024682 Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] Freightliner motorhome
It sounds like an MB truck engine (heavy) At 09:15 AM 4/6/2007, you wrote: Does this 154 hp MB CDI engine really have only 5 cyl? Willton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] Freightliner motorhome
Just like a 617! *ducks* On 4/6/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like an MB truck engine (heavy) At 09:15 AM 4/6/2007, Wilton Strickland wrote: Does this 154 hp MB CDI engine really have only 5 cyl? Willton
Re: [MBZ] OT VW Rabbit
It's a gasser Bunny. I know that the 1.6L diesel only makes about 52hp. I was hoping that it was a diesel as I pulled off the fuel cap, but oh well. It's still more than worth the $0.00 price tag, a fun little project. Hopefully, I'll have her hoppin' down the bunny trail in no time, after all, it's almost easter. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266K miles, Ursla 1978 Rabbit gasser, mileage unknown, FNU,LNU
Re: [MBZ] OT Prius and OT VW Rabbit
tell me again why a 40 mpg prius is supposed to be so great... .. . oh yeah, cause they are so ugly. There was a commercial on the other day claiming that the Prius has a 60mpg rating. From what I've heard, they don't even come close to living up to their ratings, and the batteries are expen$ive to replace, especially since the warranty doesn't cover them. I think I would buy a TDI VDub if I was in the market for a newer compact car. For now, it's not an issue since there are enough Mercedes diesels out there for a while. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266K miles, Ursula 1978 Wabbit, Mileage unknown, FNU,LNU
[MBZ] OT VW Rabbit.
The engine is only 1.6L at max (they made a 1.5-- then increased it to 1.6, I think for the US built versions). The 1.6 produces 52 hp-- the turbocharged ones (later '80's) produced more, obviously.. The valves are solid lifter type-- and do require adjustment.. They don't have the cool adjusters Mercedes use. They use little measured pucks (shims) that have to be exchanged to make clearances. They are good little engines, but they don't tolerate overheating-- even a little... I own two.. Neither is a rocket, more like a 240D with a full trunk and an automatic.. AJ
Re: [MBZ] OT VW Rabbit
I still pine for a pristine '79 German-built four door. Gas or Diesel? That would be quite a nice one to have in either flavor. When did they switch over from being German built to being built in the USA/Mexico? My memory says 1980 although the Rabbit/Cabriolet convertibles were all built in Germany. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266K miles, Ursula 1978 VW Rabbit of unknown mileage. FNU,LNU
Re: [MBZ] OT VW Rabbit.
Once nice thing is that VW engine swaps are EASY most are bolt-in. You could put in a FI 1.8l probably, even a basic 8-valve would be PLENTY of power. AJ RN [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The engine is only 1.6L at max (they made a 1.5-- then increased it to 1.6, I think for the US built versions). The 1.6 produces 52 hp-- the turbocharged ones (later '80's) produced more, obviously.. The valves are solid lifter type-- and do require adjustment.. They don't have the cool adjusters Mercedes use. They use little measured pucks (shims) that have to be exchanged to make clearances. They are good little engines, but they don't tolerate overheating-- even a little... I own two.. Neither is a rocket, more like a 240D with a full trunk and an automatic.. -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] OT VW Rabbit.
On 4/6/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once nice thing is that VW engine swaps are EASY most are bolt-in. You could put in a FI 1.8l probably, even a basic 8-valve would be PLENTY of power. Or a TDI 1.9l for that matter! I know my ex's Beetle TDI is nearly as heavy as my 124, but a Rabbit can't weigh much more than a ton. With roughly 100 hp and 150 lb-ft, that'd go like stink. (No pun intended.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper
[MBZ] FTP experiment
Just for kicks, I put up an FTP server this morning and loaded on the data from the two W123 CDs. You should be able to access at ftp://don.homelinux.net/pub/ This of course is not an invitation to view or download copyrighted material, etc. etc. etc. Viewing works best if you use something like Firefox, downloading (which of course would be illegal) would work much better using real a real client. This data might disappear at any time -- again, this is just an experiment. -- LT Don The Crazy Coastie
Re: [MBZ] OT VW Rabbit
I've owned two rabbit gassers and a Jetta Diesel, and a Vanagon Diesel and Vanagon Turbodiesel. THe gassers are very lively. Ideally, you'll have a FI engine--the carb engine had a throttle damper and loads of vacuum-actuated emission controls that I found irritating. The Diesel Jetta was fine--43 mpg at 65 mph, better real-world mileage than a PRius, very good handling, lots of room for the size, and a huge trunk. Quite slow, but a nice shifter and well-spaced gears and good handling meant it was still fun to drive. Empty, on the highway, it seemed undergeared, but put 4 adults and a full trunk in it and you were wide open through every gear and up every hill, and any taller final drive ratio would have resulted in glacial performance and an unusable top gear. Turning on the AC felt like pulling halfway up on the e-brake no matter what the load. TD Golfs and Jettas were reputedly the best of both worlds-- performance as good or better as the gassers, with diesel mileage. Unfortunately, I never owned one. My biggest complaint with my diesel jetta was noise. At 75, it was really wound out, and very noisy. I tried sound deadening everything-- hood, trunk, doors, intake, firewall--and it was better, but still too noisy. My second complaint was it was hard to work on--everything stuffed in a small space, and at least on my '92, not very good build quality. I sold/gave mine to my brother with 130k on it. He's been cursing it ever since--the head cracked at 160k (typical), doorhandles all broke off and had to be replaced, impossible-to- tighten alternator belts (due to poor belt geometry) keep loosening, PS pump quit, coolant leaks, clutch rod pushed through the pressure plate, etc. He loves the fuel mileage, tho, so keeps fixing it. Fortunately, he's a diesel mechanic. If he had to pay someone to work on it, a chevy caprice would probably cost him less per mile. I think my SD is not much more expensive to own, actually. 27 vs 43 mpg, but the thing is so much easier to work on that I can do more of it myself, no expensive head or IP failures, and the build quality, long-haul driving experience, capacity, and crash survivability, of course, is incomparable. Even around town I find the SD at least as much fun to drive. A vanagon with an NA will loose a drag race with a loaded semi. Literally. The TD vanagon is pretty nice, actually--a full-featured, sleeps-4 RV that rides and handles well on or off-road, with a cathedral ceiling (thanks to the pop-top) that gets 25 mpg and will cruise at 65-70. All it lacks is a shower, available at most all campgrounds and truckstops anyway. But the engines are still pretty high-maintenance: heads crack regularly every 150k or if overheated, the IPs and turbos wear out, unlike MBZ units, and as loren said, the valves are a pain in the ass to adjust. I'd love a TD Jetta. I hear the turbo made them quieter as well. My Vanagon TD is WAY quieter than my NA jetta was. But if I could swap in a 617, I'd do it in a heartbeat. It won't fit, of course, and if it would, it would screw up the 50/50 weight distribution that makes it handle so well. My .02. Dan
[MBZ] Leaking fuel line
My son's '85 300D has a leak in the fuel line located under the car, right below the drivers seat. It is the largest of the three lines routed through that area. The small diameter line is a brake line, and I think the medium sized one is for fuel return. So the leaking one is probably fuel supply. I clamped a piece of bicycle inner tube around it to solve the problem temporarily. But what are my options for replacing it? I don't see fuel lines on Rusty's site. Does the dealer suppy them? Or do I have to buy some kind of tubing and make a new line myself? Ned Kleinhenz '95 E300D x2 '85 300D 80 300TD and now BMW Z3 2.8
Re: [MBZ] Leaking fuel line
'85 300D? Unless it looks like more failures are imminent, I'd be inclined to use a piece of fuel hose and hose clamps. But what caused the leak in the first place? Scott Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ned kleinhenz Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 17:34 To: Mercedes List Subject: [MBZ] Leaking fuel line My son's '85 300D has a leak in the fuel line located under the car, right below the drivers seat. It is the largest of the three lines routed through that area. The small diameter line is a brake line, and I think the medium sized one is for fuel return. So the leaking one is probably fuel supply. I clamped a piece of bicycle inner tube around it to solve the problem temporarily. But what are my options for replacing it? I don't see fuel lines on Rusty's site. Does the dealer suppy them? Or do I have to buy some kind of tubing and make a new line myself? Ned Kleinhenz '95 E300D x2 '85 300D 80 300TD and now BMW Z3 2.8 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Leaking fuel line
I concur. I had to replace some line on the VW, and I simply cut the steel fuel line at a convenient place and used the highest grade of rubber line that I could find. On 4/6/07, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: '85 300D? Unless it looks like more failures are imminent, I'd be inclined to use a piece of fuel hose and hose clamps. But what caused the leak in the first place? Scott Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ned kleinhenz Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 17:34 To: Mercedes List Subject: [MBZ] Leaking fuel line My son's '85 300D has a leak in the fuel line located under the car, right below the drivers seat. It is the largest of the three lines routed through that area. The small diameter line is a brake line, and I think the medium sized one is for fuel return. So the leaking one is probably fuel supply. I clamped a piece of bicycle inner tube around it to solve the problem temporarily. But what are my options for replacing it? I don't see fuel lines on Rusty's site. Does the dealer suppy them? Or do I have to buy some kind of tubing and make a new line myself? Ned Kleinhenz '95 E300D x2 '85 300D 80 300TD and now BMW Z3 2.8 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don The Crazy Coastie
Re: [MBZ] FTP experiment
Works well. About 25 seconds for the 3.72MB file ftp://don.homelinux.net/pub/W123-2/Engine/617/30-300.pdf -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (271,xxx mi) '83 300SD (242 kmi) For Sale '82 300CD (164 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting '85 donor engine '85 300D (280,176) parts car/donor engine Quoting LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just for kicks, I put up an FTP server this morning and loaded on the data from the two W123 CDs. You should be able to access at ftp://don.homelinux.net/pub/ This of course is not an invitation to view or download copyrighted material, etc. etc. etc. Viewing works best if you use something like Firefox, downloading (which of course would be illegal) would work much better using real a real client. This data might disappear at any time -- again, this is just an experiment. -- LT Don The Crazy Coastie
Re: [MBZ] FTP experiment
Good. On 4/6/07, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Works well. About 25 seconds for the 3.72MB file ftp://don.homelinux.net/pub/W123-2/Engine/617/30-300.pdf -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (271,xxx mi) '83 300SD (242 kmi) For Sale '82 300CD (164 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting '85 donor engine '85 300D (280,176) parts car/donor engine Quoting LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just for kicks, I put up an FTP server this morning and loaded on the data from the two W123 CDs. You should be able to access at ftp://don.homelinux.net/pub/ This of course is not an invitation to view or download copyrighted material, etc. etc. etc. Viewing works best if you use something like Firefox, downloading (which of course would be illegal) would work much better using real a real client. This data might disappear at any time -- again, this is just an experiment. -- LT Don The Crazy Coastie ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don The Crazy Coastie
Re: [MBZ] OT VW Rabbit
The good thing is that I've only had to do an ajdustment on one of those engines once -- not counting the head for my sister's Volvo which uses the same system. Use Mobil 1 and you won't need to adjust anything more than every 200,000 miles or so. Peter
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fuel economy, was VW Rabbit
Don't have to go that far back -- my brother's 04 Jetta TDI gets 52-55 mpg on the highway. Peter
Re: [MBZ] OT Prius and OT VW Rabbit
Hybrids get great milage in stop and go driving, where the regenerative braking keeps the battery charged up. I95 between Richmond and Balitmore, for example. Open highway, they get less than the similar sized non-hybrids because they weigh more. Great if you do the standard slow commute, it would be stupid for me to get one (all open road with occasional stops). I'm doing OK with the 87 300d (29.5 to 33 mpg, depending on fuel). Peter
