Re: [MBZ] Cheap 300CD in DC area
Didnt stay cheap. Which reminds me, I need to get you pics of that car if we are going to do any deals. Loren Faeth wrote: Ebay item # 330105959818 [] it is under $400 now ending in 6 hours, so hustle if you want a CD. No affiliation, etc. No interest. No money. too many cars already Loren Faeth -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1664523e.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 689 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20070408/c8e0be51/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
[MBZ] SDL ACC question
OK, I need to research but need a quick answer. What all is involved in the later ACC like found on the SDL? I know on the older models you have the PBU, the blower control, and the temperature control(under the dash behind glove box). What all is there to the later version? I have swapped out the PBU several different times and what i have is the blower does not want to come on for a while when first started(even in AC mode), and you have to have the temp way down almost to min to avoid heat. Sometimes it will be cooling then all the sudden switch to heat for a minute (heat out the AC vents) then back to normal. Have checked the aspirator motor, its fine. Have swapped the temp sensor in the headliner. Same problem. IS there some other control box I should try swapping out? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Pop tester, Bosch imitation
Seems a bit pricy for aftermarket, doesn't it? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320098579700
Re: [MBZ] Manual battery boost
My point was that the starters don't usually suffer from the load of initially turning the engine. On 4/8/07, Chris Kueny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think you understand the basic assumption upon which his question is based. The unspoken assumption is that the initial effort to move the motor from where it has been sitting to any new position will break some kind of sealing that might have taken place as the engine cooled and the oil viscosity increased. The rotation is not to start the motor, only to relieve the starter and battery of the effort to make the initial movement. I don't know if the assumption is true or not, but it is interesting. I would bet, though, that the use of Mobil 1 would make the assumption false, as it wouldn't stiffen at lower temperatures. Chris K Cayce, SC -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
[MBZ] 300td glow plugs
Folks, I have a friend with an 84 300td. He's replaced all the glow plugs with new the glow plug light comes on and then immediately shuts off he's tried two different glow plug relay assemblies . another known good one is there a temperature sensor on the engine somewhere? If so, where? thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com
Re: [MBZ] Manual battery boost
Back slowly away from the cigarette and open a window to circulate fresh air.;-) The best thing I've found so far to help a diesel out in the winter is my insulated garage. D. On 4/7/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was wondering if anyone has ever tried this: In cold weather, attempting to start a manual tranny diesel: Before doing anything else: pushing the vehicle a few feet and then popping the clutch out in first gear (or reverse might be geared lower?), thus hopefully achieving some engine rotation (and thereby relieving the starter of the task of lurching the near-frozen engine into motion)? Then proceeding with the appropriate starting procedure? I used to do this with my motorcycle, thinking I was helping the battery not have work so hard to get the engine turning on cold mornings. Brian 83 240D that has been starting well in 15 degree F lately ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don The Crazy Coastie
Re: [MBZ] OT: 12v lighting
More importantly, WHERE in Maine. I've probably been there. On 4/8/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's one of those ideas I might be shy to float in person... We've got a little camp in Maine, totally backwoods, woodstove, gas lights, you get the idea. On the last couple trips I've been frustrated with trying to read by flashlight in my bunk. The bunk is arranged such that the gas lights are of no use and I can't put a gas light up there because I'd either wack it or catch the roof on fire. I hate flashlights mostly because of the directional nature of the beam and replacing the battery. So I'm thinking to get a 12v LED reading light bulb(2watt), a 12v garden tractor battery and use a 5 watt solar panel I already have to make myself a reading light. I found a site that has the bulb for a somewhat reasonable price (considering it should last a long time) and even in a kit with a fixture. The fixture seems to just be a conventional light fixture with a cigar lighter type plug for which they want $40. So the question: could I take a conventional light fixture and run 12v through it as long as I'm using a 12v bulb? To head off questions, 12v because the inverter would waste alot of power and make noise. LED because CF bulbs wouldn't work well in the cold and yes sometimes I am up reading but too lazy to stoke the fire. I intend to leave the 2 prong connector on the lamp so extension cords will be easier. With a 5w panel I don't think I'll need a charge controller and a 10ah (or whatever they are) garden tractor battery should run my light for a long time. Assuming it works well and my folks want lights like it I'd step up to maybe a 20w panel and charge controller. -Curt - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don The Crazy Coastie
Re: [MBZ] OT: 12v lighting
Yup - sounds like a good plan to me. Go for it. I guess the only question would be whether the beam width of the LED will be adequate for lighting the whole page. On 4/8/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the question: could I take a conventional light fixture and run 12v through it as long as I'm using a 12v bulb? Absolutely. I'd be in favor of finding one of those 'tensor' style lamps that already use 12V incandescent bulbs. I bought a couple of those for our camper and removed the 12V transformers in the base. They work wonderfully. -- Jim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] SL weather
On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:30:27 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, it won't even let me in right now. I sent off a nastygram to the hosts. It works now, but the picture link on http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSL2.html is broken. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Was FTP experiment, MB Marketing
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 10:43:13 -0500 Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I contend that there would be a ravenous market for a MB line geared toward the engineer types. When the 300D came out, I was drooling, but still could not afford one. When the TD came out, I was drooling again, but it was 20 years before i got one. $.02 ya get what ya pay fer Loren herding Dissels since '72 never bought a new vehicle prob'ly never will Actually, my first Benz was a brand new '72 220D/8. I was a single Lieutenant in the USAF and didn't own a house. I had been fighting Alfa Romeos and a Lotus Europa and wanted something reliable. It was only thinking of what my parents might say about my buying a new Mercedes and then turning right around and selling it that caused me to keep it. I'm glad I did. The sticker price was $7124.50. A couple of years later, the cost of new Mercedes started skyrocketing. Craig
Re: [MBZ] SL weather
That was an error message set at server level by you wife, Don. BTW, have SSL up and working in the new server and was able to putty in from the user system (three feet separate the CPUs). Non-geeks please disregard. On 4/7/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I'd take another look at your SL - clicked the link below, and got: Forbidden You don't have permission to access /~jimc/JSLsale.html on this server. Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer/2.0.53 (Mandrakelinux/PREFORK-9mdk) mod_ssl/2.0.53 OpenSSL/0.9.7e PHP/4.3.10 mod_perl/1.999.21 Perl/v5.8.6 Server at ws0.windwireless.net Port 80 On 4/7/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's SL time again here! I've been driving the for-sale 450 SL again this last week. The saga: Anybody want to buy a car? :-) http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSLsale.html -- Jim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don The Crazy Coastie
Re: [MBZ] SDL ACC question
Sounds similar to what mine was doing - I put lots of Deoxit in the switches and then sucked out and replaced the solder on all the switch connector pins. It works fine now. On 4/8/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I need to research but need a quick answer. What all is involved in the later ACC like found on the SDL? I know on the older models you have the PBU, the blower control, and the temperature control(under the dash behind glove box). What all is there to the later version? I have swapped out the PBU several different times and what i have is the blower does not want to come on for a while when first started(even in AC mode), and you have to have the temp way down almost to min to avoid heat. Sometimes it will be cooling then all the sudden switch to heat for a minute (heat out the AC vents) then back to normal. Have checked the aspirator motor, its fine. Have swapped the temp sensor in the headliner. Same problem. IS there some other control box I should try swapping out? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] A New Level of Gutlessness
On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 14:25:52 -0700 Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ran my 300SD at high revs and lost a lot of oil. Gauge went to 1 bar at 60 mpg. Poured 4 quarts of oil back in and on the road again. Back bumper, etc., was dripping oil. Where was it going that it was dripping off the bumper? Craig
Re: [MBZ] SDL ACC question
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 18:12:34 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have checked the aspirator motor, its fine. Have you checked the tube from the aspriator motor to the sensor/dash inlet? Craig
Re: [MBZ] 300td glow plugs
Unless the replacement glow plug relay is brand new, it probably has the same problem as the original one. When they get old, the light doesnt stay on as long. You just have to wait about 15-10 seconds then start it. Rick Hawkins Java wrote: Folks, I have a friend with an 84 300td. He's replaced all the glow plugs with new the glow plug light comes on and then immediately shuts off he's tried two different glow plug relay assemblies . another known good one is there a temperature sensor on the engine somewhere? If so, where? thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL ACC question
yes Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 18:12:34 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have checked the aspirator motor, its fine. Have you checked the tube from the aspriator motor to the sensor/dash inlet? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL ACC question
I have tried at least 3 different push button units, same thing. Cant believe all of them would have the same problem. OK Don wrote: Sounds similar to what mine was doing - I put lots of Deoxit in the switches and then sucked out and replaced the solder on all the switch connector pins. It works fine now. On 4/8/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I need to research but need a quick answer. What all is involved in the later ACC like found on the SDL? I know on the older models you have the PBU, the blower control, and the temperature control(under the dash behind glove box). What all is there to the later version? I have swapped out the PBU several different times and what i have is the blower does not want to come on for a while when first started(even in AC mode), and you have to have the temp way down almost to min to avoid heat. Sometimes it will be cooling then all the sudden switch to heat for a minute (heat out the AC vents) then back to normal. Have checked the aspirator motor, its fine. Have swapped the temp sensor in the headliner. Same problem. IS there some other control box I should try swapping out? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pop tester, Bosch imitation
no thats pretty cheap. Mitch Haley wrote: Seems a bit pricy for aftermarket, doesn't it? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320098579700 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300td glow plugs
Rick Hawkins Java wrote: Folks, I have a friend with an 84 300td. He's replaced all the glow plugs with new the glow plug light comes on and then immediately shuts off That problem drove me nuts with my 300SD. Finally fixed it by replacing the battery. (old one seemed to turn the engine over OK, but starter ran noticeably faster with the new battery)
Re: [MBZ] A New Level of Gutlessness
Har dee har har... A car (a rental Lincoln Town Car...what a boat) five parking places away did get busted into while we were there. They took a laptop which was left on the front seat. We stayed at the Westin LAX. The guy was peeved but the hotel didn't feel too sorry form him since he left the doors unlocked. What a numbskull. Bob R - Original Message - From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] A New Level of Gutlessness Did you check under the hood? Someone might have taken your 300 block and put in a 240 block when you weren't looking. On 4/8/07, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Went to LA last week. Drove the 300D.Coming home yesterday driving on fairly level earth with a stiff wind out of the south (so I was driving 90 degrees into the wind, mostly), I was only able to get 75 mph with the pig floored always. I had 4 humans, 3 large (125 lbs total) bags in the roof rack with 3 smaller bags and a BMX bike in the trunk. Going over, it performed much better. What's the deal? I did run a tank of B99 truough it while driving around LA. Maybe I should change the filters? Also...after foggin' along at freeway speeds for a tankful of fuel and I go to get off the freeway...when I get to the end of the exit ramp and my oil pressure drops and I listen to my engine there is a knock that sounds like someone tapping on an upside-down empty coffee can. It does it only after the initial slowdown after an extended run. What the heck is that? Thanks, boys. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 170K '87 Acura Legend 183K Goodyear, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don The Crazy Coastie ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A New Level of Gutlessness
Oil level is SAT. Used one quart over and backabout normal...welll...actually better than normal. Bob - Original Message - From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] A New Level of Gutlessness Bob, Did you check oil level? IIRC, you have no tach, but you may have been hitting the top revs. Was there oil on the rear of the car? I ran my 300SD at high revs and lost a lot of oil. Gauge went to 1 bar at 60 mpg. Poured 4 quarts of oil back in and on the road again. Back bumper, etc., was dripping oil. Take care, Chuck Also...after foggin' along at freeway speeds for a tankful of fuel and I go to get off the freeway...when I get to the end of the exit ramp and my oil pressure drops and I listen to my engine there is a knock that sounds like someone tapping on an upside-down empty coffee can. It does it only after the initial slowdown after an extended run. What the heck is that? Thanks, boys. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 170K '87 Acura Legend 183K Goodyear, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don The Crazy Coastie ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL ACC question
Deoxit is what unfroze my antenna. M, good stuff that Deoxit :D Luther On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 19:24:01 -0500, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds similar to what mine was doing - I put lots of Deoxit in the switches and then sucked out and replaced the solder on all the switch connector pins. It works fine now. On 4/8/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I need to research but need a quick answer. What all is involved in the later ACC like found on the SDL? I know on the older models you have the PBU, the blower control, and the temperature control(under the dash behind glove box). What all is there to the later version? I have swapped out the PBU several different times and what i have is the blower does not want to come on for a while when first started(even in AC mode), and you have to have the temp way down almost to min to avoid heat. Sometimes it will be cooling then all the sudden switch to heat for a minute (heat out the AC vents) then back to normal. Have checked the aspirator motor, its fine. Have swapped the temp sensor in the headliner. Same problem. IS there some other control box I should try swapping out? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '83 300SD (245 kmi) for sale '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine
Re: [MBZ] 91 350 SDL Transmission
Wilton, I believe you'll find the procedure in the manual. You run the car for about 20 minutes and then while the car is in park and still running, check the transmission level. Add very little at a time and run the transmission through all the positions (shifting). Keep adding very little at a time until you get between marks on the stick. Eight oz. at a time is too much. I've done this many times because I had problems with front belt shock and had to remove the radiator each time to gain access. To remove the radiator you have to drain the transmission. I drain and reuse the fluid. That problem turned out to be several pulleys were not concentric, so I changed them. However to determine the culprit you had to have a dial indicator with a sweep of .2 mm.and a range of 10mm.( think that's right). Each pulley had to be check for alignment and concentricity. Regards, Constantine
Re: [MBZ] 300td glow plugs
I have a friend with an 84 300td. is there a temperature sensor on the engine somewhere? No, that vintage uses a sensor within the relay itself. These relays can go bad, they're prone to the same solder joint and electrolytic capacitor trouble as any of the other electronics. And susceptible to the same fixes! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] SL weather
Yeah, it won't even let me in right now. I sent off a nastygram to the hosts. It's fixed again, apparently. A hard drive went bad. So, for the hordes of curious parties, here is the SL link again! :-) http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSLsale.html It works now, but the picture link on http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSL2.html is broken. That's 'cause I never took the picture! There's a few of those placeholder links. And plenty of the ones that are there are crappy. Only a couple of the vehicles got a proper photo treatment. (Obviously the for-sale ones got it first.) Mea culpa. Someday. JSL2 won't probably even get driven, much less detailed and photographed, until JSL is sold. One of these years... -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] SDL ACC question
OK, I need to research but need a quick answer. What all is involved in the later ACC like found on the SDL? I know on the older models you have the PBU, the blower control, and the temperature control(under the dash behind glove box). What all is there to the later version? It's all in the PB array, except for sensors and actuators. They integrated it when they got rid of the clear center AUTO button. You could well have more than one problem. If it won't start even on AC you could have bad blower motor brushes. Weird temperature feedback could be bad aspiration (check the hose up at the dome light) or a bad connection to the temperature sensor in the dome light. Etc. Sounds like you've checked some of the easier stuff already. This system eat off the overvoltage relay? How's it behaving? This system also has a pulse output that can be checked to see if its own internal diagnostics have caught anything. You could also try running the car-side diagnostic procedure I have given here: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mamerepairs.html -- Jim
[MBZ] battery and a radio
Well just back in from overseeing the 8 hour charging of the newish battery in the 83 wagon. When out to start this morning, and lights, glow, nothing... volt meter said, oh 11.5V mmm, glow, start, 6V. Well that's not going anywhere. Now I haven't run it all week and wife remarks Oh I walked by yesterday and the radio was playing so I turned it off. K so the becker 1480 which replaced the 780(?) was playing for the last 6 days, well no wonder battery is quite dead. However becker should have turned off when car off, or after 15 minutes or so, that reeks of getting a new old radio, or it rebuild. Sigh. Well I do have a spare becker audio 10, that would require some soldering, maybe that should occur, that or check ebay. John 1983 300TDt 368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 172k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 180k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 17, Issue 26
Thanks, Jim and Kaleb things to check!! thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com On Apr 9, 2007, at 12:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: April 9, 2007 12:22:44 AM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300td glow plugs Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com I have a friend with an 84 300td. is there a temperature sensor on the engine somewhere? No, that vintage uses a sensor within the relay itself. These relays can go bad, they're prone to the same solder joint and electrolytic capacitor trouble as any of the other electronics. And susceptible to the same fixes! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Manual battery boost
Yeah, I know I posit some interesting questions from time to time. Chris understood the question fully - thanks. I did, however, err in writing that I was looking to relieve stress on the starter. My interest is actually in relieveing stress on the battery. In other words, when it's real cold out - as in you've got no business trying to start a diesel - the battery, unless in great shape, will be taken just about down to nothing before you might get a start. I was just wondering if the load on the battery could be lessened by physically jarring the engine from its repose before asking the battery to do the rest. I'm glad to play whipping boy for those comfortable in their mastery of information. Brian 83 240D now hybernating again, as April snow is on the way On 4/8/07, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back slowly away from the cigarette and open a window to circulate fresh air.;-) The best thing I've found so far to help a diesel out in the winter is my insulated garage. D. On 4/7/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was wondering if anyone has ever tried this: In cold weather, attempting to start a manual tranny diesel: Before doing anything else: pushing the vehicle a few feet and then popping the clutch out in first gear (or reverse might be geared lower?), thus hopefully achieving some engine rotation (and thereby relieving the starter of the task of lurching the near-frozen engine into motion)? Then proceeding with the appropriate starting procedure? I used to do this with my motorcycle, thinking I was helping the battery not have work so hard to get the engine turning on cold mornings. Brian 83 240D that has been starting well in 15 degree F lately ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don The Crazy Coastie ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Problems Bleeding Clutch
Guys After suffering the 'clutch pedal drops to the floor' problem every now and again on my 190E, yesterday I changed my clutch master cylinder. Job was a REAL pain, ended up taking out the whole pedal assembly. Now, I can't get the clutch system to bleed - I'm using a Mityvac as a VACUUM bleeder on the slave cylinder bleed nipple, rather than a PRESSURE bleeder kit - as the rubber caps on the brake reservoir leak, if I use my pressure bleeder kit, it sprays brake fluid everywhere I open up the bleed nipple, pump a vacuum, but no fluid comes through Anyone have any ideas ? Help ! Howard Fulford Bath England 190E '89, 2.0 litre, 5 sp. manual 157298 miles
[MBZ] SDL ACC question
Sounds like bad connections at, wiring to, or dirty internal contacts in the thumbwheel thermostat, which was, last I checked, a replaceable part of the PBU. I don't remember buying the part at the time, and successfully repairing the ACC, so it must have cleaned up satisfactorily. As to blower turn-on, I think I remember an ambient OAT sensor, ambient interior air temp sensor, engine coolant blower-turn-on (in heat mode) sensor (~40'C). Other sensors include an engine coolant compressor-turn-off (A/C mode) sensor (~105'C); crankshaft pulley engine speed sensor (hall-effect compressor actuation); refrigerant upper and lower pressure sensors at the receiver-dryer turning compressor on and off, respectively; and a few other doodads, at a rate of either 1:1 or 1:2 per input connection to the PBU. In addition, a bad water control valve will also provide heat at all settings of the PBU, if I remember correctly. You need a readable ACC wiring diagram (the CD copy is only barely discernable), but I think I'd start by checking out the pin to pin resistance on the thermostat wheel itself. As to blower coming on after a while, that's by design to prevent cold air circ in heating mode (40C sensor). If you want blower on immediately in a cold car, I think the only way to do that is via the DEFROST mode. I did have a 300TD that I nursed for awhile by starting the blower in DEFROST then switching to the mode I really wanted, which worked until I found the real culprit I was looking for, which turned out to be a disconnected vacuum actuator link pin at the center defrost nozzle flap. Saved pulling the dash on that car. It really sounds like the only problem you've got is in the temp thermostat circuit, which I vaguely remember compares two temperatures to control compressor operation...I'll have to look around here to see if I retained any pertinent info. Mike Boerner 87 300SDL 125K 87 300D 140K 01 320ML 46K (not mine, but I get to drive it whenever my internal organs need a severe thrashing) blower does not want to come on for a while when first started(even in AC mode), and you have to have the temp way down almost to min to avoid heat. Sometimes it will be cooling then all the sudden switch to heat for a minute (heat out the AC vents) then back to normal.
[MBZ] A New Level of Gutlessness
Oil expulsion - saw this symptom on one of my own SDs when I temporarily replaced a crankcase breather hose with a non-formed substitute. Hose collapsed at bend, apparently restricting airflow and building pressure fast. Result, oil all over the place, but the problem showed up almost immediately. Might be the place to start looking. Mike Boerner 87 300SDL 87 300D 01 320ML
Re: [MBZ] SDL ACC question
thanks Jim Cathey wrote: OK, I need to research but need a quick answer. What all is involved in the later ACC like found on the SDL? I know on the older models you have the PBU, the blower control, and the temperature control(under the dash behind glove box). What all is there to the later version? It's all in the PB array, except for sensors and actuators. They integrated it when they got rid of the clear center AUTO button. You could well have more than one problem. If it won't start even on AC you could have bad blower motor brushes. Weird temperature feedback could be bad aspiration (check the hose up at the dome light) or a bad connection to the temperature sensor in the dome light. Etc. Sounds like you've checked some of the easier stuff already. This system eat off the overvoltage relay? How's it behaving? This system also has a pulse output that can be checked to see if its own internal diagnostics have caught anything. You could also try running the car-side diagnostic procedure I have given here: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mamerepairs.html -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
[MBZ] another reason to do your own work
Friend calls me at 6am today - says her car made this horrible metal-on-metal noise while on the freeway, a light flashed on the dashboard, then promptly died. She pulled over and called AAA. About a week ago, she had her oil changed. She has driven her car 3-4 times since. Over the phone, I gave her the bad news about them probably not tightening the drain plug and having the oil leak out. Assuming this is the case (and not some other cause), what's her recourse? She got her oil changed at a Valvoline shop. -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 291Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] Problems Bleeding Clutch
Now, I can't get the clutch system to bleed - I'm using a Mityvac as a VACUUM bleeder on the slave cylinder bleed nipple, rather than a PRESSURE Do what the manual says to do: hook up a hose between a brake bleed nipple and the clutch nipple, crack them, and start pumping the brakes. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Manual battery boost
just about down to nothing before you might get a start. I was just wondering if the load on the battery could be lessened by physically jarring the engine from its repose before asking the battery to do the rest. It's an easy test. When you suspect the engine to be at its most reluctant put a wrench on the engine's front nut and give it a twist. Do you find any significant 'stiction'? Or not? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT: 12v lighting
ACK! Incandescent... How much light do you think I can get off an incandescent bulb for 2w? Thats the whole point of the LED bulb, lighting using only a 5w solar panel... -Curt Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 13:20:38 -0700 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 12v lighting To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed So the question: could I take a conventional light fixture and run 12v through it as long as I'm using a 12v bulb? Absolutely. I'd be in favor of finding one of those 'tensor' style lamps that already use 12V incandescent bulbs. I bought a couple of those for our camper and removed the 12V transformers in the base. They work wonderfully. -- Jim - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Apr 09 13:35:27 2007 Received: from web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.41]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1Hau1k-00029M-UY for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:35:26 + Received: (qmail 45086 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2007 13:35:19 - X-YMail-OSG: 6W0zB5gVM1mAmYhMi4h2wArTf_NRHCMrnTvVTS2AmX_B2CUQbn6JB28ld_F_ub1NfQp2L.OXfMV1GODT3.0ei.5Mxp8Mb0f_rH68I10B5EOjMw1XQu.P_FFwX4uU4Q-- Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 06:35:19 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 06:35:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 12v lighting X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:35:27 - LOL, Caribou. Theres a Coastie station at Easton I think, not terribly far away. -Curt Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 19:03:42 -0500 From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 12v lighting To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed More importantly, WHERE in Maine. I've probably been there. - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Apr 09 13:38:18 2007 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([63.240.77.82]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1Hau4Y-0002PG-DE for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:38:18 + Received: from aceraspire (c-69-243-211-95.hsd1.va.comcast.net[69.243.211.95]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id 20070409133802012006af19e; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:38:13 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:37:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] A New Level of Gutlessness X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:38:18 - Check the air filter - when last changed? Also the fuel filters. Its possible the IP was not adjusted properly. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results
Re: [MBZ] another reason to do your own work
They will likely have insurance at the shop to cover a new engine. At least the ones around here say they do. Mike - Original Message - From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: [MBZ] another reason to do your own work Friend calls me at 6am today - says her car made this horrible metal-on-metal noise while on the freeway, a light flashed on the dashboard, then promptly died. She pulled over and called AAA. About a week ago, she had her oil changed. She has driven her car 3-4 times since. Over the phone, I gave her the bad news about them probably not tightening the drain plug and having the oil leak out. Assuming this is the case (and not some other cause), what's her recourse? She got her oil changed at a Valvoline shop. -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 291Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] another reason to do your own work
I've never personally had a shop not tighten the plug. Another common mistake is they will overtigten and strip out the threads in the pan, or on the bolt. I did have a shop not adequately tighten a spin-on filter, luckily I noticed it before any damage was done. Last time I was in one of those quick-change shops, they wanted to sell me a upgraded drain plug, I think it's one that has a valve built into it, probably to reduce incidences of over/undertigtening. I wonder why these places don't just suck the oil out from the top side. Allan Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They will likely have insurance at the shop to cover a new engine. At least the ones around here say they do. Mike - Original Message - From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: [MBZ] another reason to do your own work Friend calls me at 6am today - says her car made this horrible metal-on-metal noise while on the freeway, a light flashed on the dashboard, then promptly died. She pulled over and called AAA. About a week ago, she had her oil changed. She has driven her car 3-4 times since. Over the phone, I gave her the bad news about them probably not tightening the drain plug and having the oil leak out. Assuming this is the case (and not some other cause), what's her recourse? She got her oil changed at a Valvoline shop. -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Leaking fuel line
Rusty has it. $240.00 - Original Message - From: ned kleinhenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 5:33 PM Subject: [MBZ] Leaking fuel line My son's '85 300D has a leak in the fuel line located under the car, right below the drivers seat. It is the largest of the three lines routed through that area. The small diameter line is a brake line, and I think the medium sized one is for fuel return. So the leaking one is probably fuel supply. I clamped a piece of bicycle inner tube around it to solve the problem temporarily. But what are my options for replacing it? I don't see fuel lines on Rusty's site. Does the dealer suppy them? Or do I have to buy some kind of tubing and make a new line myself? Ned Kleinhenz '95 E300D x2 '85 300D 80 300TD and now BMW Z3 2.8 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] another reason to do your own work
Because many of thier customers must see the oil drain out into the pan. Too many would doubt the oil sucker. Or maybe it's just because drain pans require no maintenance or electricity to run. Mike - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] another reason to do your own work I've never personally had a shop not tighten the plug. Another common mistake is they will overtigten and strip out the threads in the pan, or on the bolt. I did have a shop not adequately tighten a spin-on filter, luckily I noticed it before any damage was done. Last time I was in one of those quick-change shops, they wanted to sell me a upgraded drain plug, I think it's one that has a valve built into it, probably to reduce incidences of over/undertigtening. I wonder why these places don't just suck the oil out from the top side. Allan Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They will likely have insurance at the shop to cover a new engine. At least the ones around here say they do. Mike - Original Message - From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: [MBZ] another reason to do your own work Friend calls me at 6am today - says her car made this horrible metal-on-metal noise while on the freeway, a light flashed on the dashboard, then promptly died. She pulled over and called AAA. About a week ago, she had her oil changed. She has driven her car 3-4 times since. Over the phone, I gave her the bad news about them probably not tightening the drain plug and having the oil leak out. Assuming this is the case (and not some other cause), what's her recourse? She got her oil changed at a Valvoline shop. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 12v lighting
ACK! Incandescent... How much light do you think I can get off an incandescent bulb for 2w? Thats the whole point of the LED bulb, lighting using only a 5w solar panel... Before I did much more I'd really want to try out the proposed light source to see if it was really suitable for reading. The incandescents we use in the camper are very satisfactory. Then there is also duty cycle, how much reading versus recharging time do you expect? If the stay is not indefinite you can even afford to run at a bit of a loss. The last time I looked fluorescent lamps were still king of the lumen/watt rating. That's been awhile now. But there are some very interesting CF lamps in the surplus market that come from laptop screen backlights. Have to factor in the inverter's efficiency though. A LED doesn't eat 12V, so you have to look at how you're planning to power it. Burning it in a simple resistor would mean that you'd only get 1/4 the battery life you should. Need a PWM feed to keep it efficient. Incandescent offers the advantages of extreme simplicity and a satisfactorily wide illumination pattern, but at an efficiency cost. If you're stuck with a 2W bulb you're talking about one of the dashboard lights. That still might be OK, you'd have to try it out, and you'd definitely want a good reflector head. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] another reason to do your own work
Because many of thier customers must see the oil drain out into the pan. Too many would doubt the oil sucker. Or maybe it's just because drain pans require no maintenance or electricity to run. Every car has a drain plug, whereas only some can use a sucker. Can the monkeys be trained to do it differently per car? Is the cost of an occasional engine less than deploying and maintaining sucker equipment? Enquiring minds want to know! I do my own oil, thank you very much. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT: 12v lighting
cost. If you're stuck with a 2W bulb you're talking about one of the dashboard lights. That still might be OK, you'd have to try it out, and you'd definitely want a good reflector head. Oh, and the common Malibu outdoor low-voltage lighting bulb is 4W at 12V. Those are readily available and cheap. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] battery and a radio
You might also have a short in the antenna motor if the circuit stays on... On 4/9/07, John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well just back in from overseeing the 8 hour charging of the newish battery in the 83 wagon. When out to start this morning, and lights, glow, nothing... volt meter said, oh 11.5V mmm, glow, start, 6V. Well that's not going anywhere. Now I haven't run it all week and wife remarks Oh I walked by yesterday and the radio was playing so I turned it off. K so the becker 1480 which replaced the 780(?) was playing for the last 6 days, well no wonder battery is quite dead. However becker should have turned off when car off, or after 15 minutes or so, that reeks of getting a new old radio, or it rebuild. Sigh. Well I do have a spare becker audio 10, that would require some soldering, maybe that should occur, that or check ebay. John 1983 300TDt 368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 172k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 180k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A New Level of Gutlessness
Craig McCluskey wrote: Where was it going that it was dripping off the bumper? My injection pump gasket was bad and ended up causing a severe (1qt/100miles) oil leak that only leaked when under load (highway speeds, around town it dripped, but nowhere near as bad). The whole length of my car was dripping oil when I stopped. The back had oil lines down it... Unfortunately I was about 10 hours from home and on my way to Phoenix when I discovered all this... By the end of the trip I'd leaked so much oil that it was gray when I checked it!! John '79 300SD
Re: [MBZ] A New Level of Gutlessness
Craig, Returning from StarFest96 in Portland - Ran East across Montana @ 100mph (4900 rpms) for 3 hours. Lots of blowby. Bottom of car was pretty oily too. I guess partial vacuum sucked oil onto the rear panels and bumper. Did a powerwash when I got home to VA. No residual problems - 347kmiles when I sold her. Hard to believe, but no rebuilds/replacements on anything, including IP and injectors, except alternator. Take care, Chuck On Apr 8, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 14:25:52 -0700 Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ran my 300SD at high revs and lost a lot of oil. Gauge went to 1 bar at 60 mpg. Poured 4 quarts of oil back in and on the road again. Back bumper, etc., was dripping oil. Where was it going that it was dripping off the bumper? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 91 350SDL transmission
Does running engine while parked heat transmission sufficiently for checking/adding fluid? Wilton 91 350SDL (185kmi), 87 showroom-like 300D (102kmi)
[MBZ] OT: New acquisition, for fans of interesting American iron
Thought some people on the list might be interested in my new purchase, an '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC, maroon with tan leather, with only 85K miles. I didn't get it for quite Kaleb money, but close. Cosmetically it needs a little help (dirty interior, cracked leather, and peeling clearcoat). Mechanically it is like new. PO just had the suspension rebuilt and did the brakes, and the tires are nearly new. I'm amazed at how well the thing handles. I recall the LSC getting praised by every car magazine in the mid-'80s as a respectable alternative to an SEC or BMW 6-series for half the price, and the car definitely has a surprisingly European feel to it. All the trick electricals work great (climate control, trip computer, etc.), as do the air suspension and antilock brakes (the Mark VII was the first American car with ABS---the second was the '85 Corvette). The engine is a bog-standard fuel-injected Windsor 302 as found in Mustangs of that era, so parts are plentiful and cheap and there's a huge hop-up aftermarket---not that I'll feel the need to tap it any time soon, since stock it's rated at about 200 HP and 280 lb-ft. Roughly 560SEL performance. I will be embarrassing quite a few teenagers in souped-up Civics! Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo (family hauler) '93 Isuzu Trooper (shootin' rig) '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC (Sopranos prop)
Re: [MBZ] another reason to do your own work
This happened to my dad's 2003 Jetta that he purchased used. It was a dealer trade, so the selling dealer wasn't who serviced it. Unfortunately, I wasn't with him. Enough damage occurred to cause a rod knock which they wouldn't fix. I would have advised him to run it until it seized so that the warranty would have covered it. He walked to the nearest store and bought some oil to put in, and it ran right out, of course. He knew right then what was up. It had to be towed in, but once it was filled with oil and had a new plug installed, it ran with the detectable knock. I do like the idea of changing the oil from the top which is the ONLY way I do it now. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266K miles, Ursula 1978 VW Rabbit, FNU, LNU
Re: [MBZ] another reason to do your own work
I'm new the the benz thing, so the whole idea of oil changes from the top end is, well, a little strange. As for draining from the bottom, amazed how many people have a problem. New crush ring everytime, use a torque wrench, what's the big deal?. I find most mechanics error by going too tight, with most things. Filters are hand tight, and then just a little extra. I've seen guys put wheels on so tight, they have warped the rotors! But then again, from an insurance point of view, if you over tighten a lugnut, easy to say the rotor was already warped, much harder to explain when the wheel falls off from under torquing the nuts. hee hee. 300E just back from the shop having the rear bushing all done. You can bet as soon as it warms up a little outside, I'll be out there with a torque wrench checking things. hee hee. Ed 300E 320,000 kms On 09/04/07, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This happened to my dad's 2003 Jetta that he purchased used. It was a dealer trade, so the selling dealer wasn't who serviced it. Unfortunately, I wasn't with him. Enough damage occurred to cause a rod knock which they wouldn't fix. I would have advised him to run it until it seized so that the warranty would have covered it. He walked to the nearest store and bought some oil to put in, and it ran right out, of course. He knew right then what was up. It had to be towed in, but once it was filled with oil and had a new plug installed, it ran with the detectable knock. I do like the idea of changing the oil from the top which is the ONLY way I do it now. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266K miles, Ursula 1978 VW Rabbit, FNU, LNU ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Mom's 87 300E hard starting puzzler..
I have a plea for the list. I'm trying to keep my Mom's 87 300E on the road and I only get word when things are bad. Recently she called to tell me that one day she went to start the car (was probably about 50 F that day) and it would turn over easily but it wouldn't catch and run. She stated that the day before all was fine and dandy. She managed to get it started and came down to my house. She was there for several hours and we went out to start it in my driveway. When you could get it to catch and run it ran very rough unless you took the tach up to about 1800 - 2000 rpms where upon it would smooth out. If you dropped it down into the 1000 rpm range, if you could keep it from stalling, it bucked and I could intermittently hear something like a backfiring sound through the air cleaner (I was standing outside the car). If you kept the engine in that higher rpm range for about 5 minutes until the coolant temp came up to about 60 C, then it would run pretty much normally at all rpm ranges. Once warmed up there was no loss of power or misfiring that I could detect. I checked the air filter and it seemed normal enough. Not sure what to check next. She did mention that her ABS light has come on now and doesn't go off. I could be connected or just a weird coincidence. She added fuel injector cleaner prior to coming down to my house (about 35 miles of highway). I thought about changing out the fuel filter, but that doesn't make sense in light of the improvement in running once warmed up. I would appreciate any ideas. The rest of the family is anxious to get her into some other car which she won't be able to afford and no doubt will turn out to be a death trap tin can. ...Kevin 79 240D 87 300TD
Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL transmission
Nope. Needs to be driven 20-30 minutes. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: [MBZ] 91 350SDL transmission Does running engine while parked heat transmission sufficiently for checking/adding fluid? Wilton 91 350SDL (185kmi), 87 showroom-like 300D (102kmi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/752 - Release Date: 4/8/2007 8:34 PM
Re: [MBZ] OT: Mom's 87 300E hard starting puzzler..
Kevin, Things to check: Check the fuse on the top of the OVP relay. It is a 10 amp ATC fuse. This can cause hard starting when cold and explain the ABS light. It is a silver box relay, located near the battery with a fuse (red) on the top of it, iirc on a w124. Sometimes, the OVP will still have its clear plastic cover on the top. Temp sensor for the fuel injection. Ignition rotor and distributor cap, but this would cause poor running at all temps if things were really bad. Good luck, Mathieu On Apr 9, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Kevin J. Slater wrote: I have a plea for the list. I'm trying to keep my Mom's 87 300E on the road and I only get word when things are bad. Recently she called to tell me that one day she went to start the car (was probably about 50 F that day) and it would turn over easily but it wouldn't catch and run. She stated that the day before all was fine and dandy. She managed to get it started and came down to my house. She was there for several hours and we went out to start it in my driveway. When you could get it to catch and run it ran very rough unless you took the tach up to about 1800 - 2000 rpms where upon it would smooth out. If you dropped it down into the 1000 rpm range, if you could keep it from stalling, it bucked and I could intermittently hear something like a backfiring sound through the air cleaner (I was standing outside the car). If you kept the engine in that higher rpm range for about 5 minutes until the coolant temp came up to about 60 C, then it would run pretty much normally at all rpm ranges. Once warmed up there was no loss of power or misfiring that I could detect. I checked the air filter and it seemed normal enough. Not sure what to check next. She did mention that her ABS light has come on now and doesn't go off. I could be connected or just a weird coincidence. She added fuel injector cleaner prior to coming down to my house (about 35 miles of highway). I thought about changing out the fuel filter, but that doesn't make sense in light of the improvement in running once warmed up. I would appreciate any ideas. The rest of the family is anxious to get her into some other car which she won't be able to afford and no doubt will turn out to be a death trap tin can. ...Kevin 79 240D 87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Off Topic Acura's
Anyone know anything about the Acura Legend. I am looking at a 1995 Acura Legend (with 90,000 miles) for my wife. It is cosmetically perfect condition. Paint is perfect, leather seats are REALLY nice. I have not gotten to drive it or even here it run yet. The Legend is the bigger of the Acuras at the time and was replaced by the RL in 1996. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 137K
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Acura's
They're awesome cars - handle well (not as well as a 124, but you're not paying MB prices either), good mileage, very reliable. Esp. the later model years. Watch out for rear wheel well rust (bane of Honda/Acura) and make sure the timing belt was changed every 90Kmi. In other words, have the timing belt changed before you buy it. Can be very fast, esp. with the optional 6speed manual. I would buy one today. No really. On 4/9/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know anything about the Acura Legend. I am looking at a 1995 Acura Legend (with 90,000 miles) for my wife. It is cosmetically perfect condition. Paint is perfect, leather seats are REALLY nice. I have not gotten to drive it or even here it run yet. The Legend is the bigger of the Acuras at the time and was replaced by the RL in 1996. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 137K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] OT: 12v lighting
I think perhaps you're a bit behind on the current LED technology. I'm looking at http://store.sundancesolar.com/12v18ledbufo.html Its only 40 lumens but that seems to compare well, I found a chart with a 15w CF that produces 105 lumens. This will only be a reading lamp, I've been using a small battery powered flourescent lamp for awhile. Its okay but not great, not focused enough really. Of course the problem with that bulb is its price. $35 is alot to pay to find out I don't like it... The next choice is a 9w cf which is probably more like 80 lumens although I can find no real documentation on that. Even then I should have some more charging capacity although you're right I'll probably only use the light for 2-3 hours a night so I should have plenty of reserve... -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 07:29:45 -0700 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 12v lighting To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed ACK! Incandescent... How much light do you think I can get off an incandescent bulb for 2w? Thats the whole point of the LED bulb, lighting using only a 5w solar panel... Before I did much more I'd really want to try out the proposed light source to see if it was really suitable for reading. The incandescents we use in the camper are very satisfactory. Then there is also duty cycle, how much reading versus recharging time do you expect? If the stay is not indefinite you can even afford to run at a bit of a loss. The last time I looked fluorescent lamps were still king of the lumen/watt rating. That's been awhile now. But there are some very interesting CF lamps in the surplus market that come from laptop screen backlights. Have to factor in the inverter's efficiency though. A LED doesn't eat 12V, so you have to look at how you're planning to power it. Burning it in a simple resistor would mean that you'd only get 1/4 the battery life you should. Need a PWM feed to keep it efficient. Incandescent offers the advantages of extreme simplicity and a satisfactorily wide illumination pattern, but at an efficiency cost. If you're stuck with a 2W bulb you're talking about one of the dashboard lights. That still might be OK, you'd have to try it out, and you'd definitely want a good reflector head. -- Jim - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Apr 09 20:55:41 2007 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.225]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1Hb0to-0002qs-MN for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:55:41 + Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id n29so1196818nzf for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.18.1 with SMTP id v1mr2474756wai.1176152132445; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.58.4 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:55:32 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Acura's X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:55:42 - If you tell us the asking price we can opine intelligently on whether it is a good buy or not. On 4/9/07, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They're awesome cars - handle well (not as well as a 124, but you're not paying MB prices either), good mileage, very reliable. Esp. the later model years. Watch out for rear wheel well rust (bane of Honda/Acura) and make sure the timing belt was changed every 90Kmi. In other words, have the timing belt changed before you buy it. Can be very fast, esp. with the optional 6speed manual. I would buy one today. No really. On 4/9/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know anything about the Acura Legend. I am
Re: [MBZ] OT: 12v lighting
Curt Raymond wrote: I think perhaps you're a bit behind on the current LED technology. I'm looking at http://store.sundancesolar.com/12v18ledbufo.html Its only 40 lumens but that seems to compare well, I found a chart with a 15w CF that produces 105 lumens. This will only be a reading lamp, I've been using a small battery powered flourescent lamp for awhile. Its okay but not great, not focused enough really. Just to throw in my $.02 I'd look into CCFL lights that are typically used for case mods, etc. White ones do exist, but are harder to come by than the colored ones. No idea on wattage or anything though... I think they are certainly bright enough at least (or would be with a simple reflector for half of it). If you're dead set on LEDs... look into anything that uses Luxeon LEDs... I've played with a 3W one... was VERY bright. The datasheet says they output 70-80 lumens. You'd need a 12V to 3V supply though. http://www.luxeon.com/products/line.cfm?lineId=2 They have brighter ones too... G'luck with it! Little projects like these are great fun :-) John
Re: [MBZ] Leaking fuel line
darn! - Original Message - From: ned kleinhenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaking fuel line Rusty has it. $240.00 Thank you, Rusty. That is a good option to keep in mind for our old 123 diesel. At this moment, I don't want a new fuel line that much. Ned ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Acura's
I know my '87 has been awesome...it's just barely broke in. Everyone I know who has had an Acura has been very pleased. Two fellers I work with put 379K and 405K miles, respectivly, on their Legends and they were going strong until drunk drivers did 'em in. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 170K '87 Acura Legend 183K Goodyear, AZ - Original Message - From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 1:03 PM Subject: [MBZ] Off Topic Acura's Anyone know anything about the Acura Legend. I am looking at a 1995 Acura Legend (with 90,000 miles) for my wife. It is cosmetically perfect condition. Paint is perfect, leather seats are REALLY nice. I have not gotten to drive it or even here it run yet. The Legend is the bigger of the Acuras at the time and was replaced by the RL in 1996. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 137K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 91 350SDL transmission (wilton strickland)
I recall the instructions indicating that the car must be driven for 20 minutes. That's the way I do it. It doesn't have to be driven again for 20 minutes after you start adding the fluid. Just keep it running. Constantine
