[MBZ] Amsoil
Does anyone have any comments good or bad about Amsoil? I've read the literature and it really sounds good. Unlike other oil companies, Amsoil will actually teell you extended oil changes are acceptable. Need your input - what do ya'll think?? TIA - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] why one needs to check craigs list at least a few times every day
Did you buy it? Gary Hurst wrote: http://atlanta.craigslist.org/sys/354135931.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why one needs to check craigs list at least a few timesevery day
Neither. Kernel panics are often the result of bad RAM or a lack of RAM. If they occur after the computer has been running for a while, the RAM might be full and needs to be dumped,, something that crappy programmers fail to do when writing code. Ideally, when a program is terminated or shut down, it should go up and release the RAM it had allocated when running. If this isn't done, it's sort of like every program that has run staked out a claim on a portion of the RAM. If that claim isn't given up when the program is done, pretty soon you run out of RAM because it's all spoken for, even though it's from programs that are no longer running. A good OS will watch the RAM and see if it is truly being used, or if the programs allocating it are even running. If not, it will release the allocation(s) and free up space for whatever else is running. I see kernel panics on Macs most often when the client has a minimum amount of RAM in the machine, or if their hard drive is nearly full, as there is no room for the system to swap things in and out of virtual memory. Memory is cheap these days - buy as much as you possibly can. MacDan --- Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hursty typed: my guess is that the kernel panics are funky ram. Is that the super-secret phrase that will get you a deep discount on an order or is it a Da Vinci Code kinda cryptic clue to harmonious oneness... Bob R. Computer Mental Midget Lavaland, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Well I did it again
Actually I might have bought one or 2 cars from running an ad. Mostly it just attracts nutjobs who want 2k for their 240D that is rusty, needs an engine, and needs interior. Or, the people who call me because I am looking for project cars wanting to sell me their 03 E320 that is perfect for 25k or whatever. Guess they dont know what a project car is. Luther (in Reno) wrote: He needs to put that add in my local AT also. Luther -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
Larry, I don't trust any oil manufacturer who claims that you can run their product in my car for 1,000,000 miles. I also don't trust any company (oil or otherwise) who uses testimonials to market their product. Testimonials are a sure sign that they can't support their claims with verifiable, statistical data. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 6:38 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil Does anyone have any comments good or bad about Amsoil? I've read the literature and it really sounds good. Unlike other oil companies, Amsoil will actually teell you extended oil changes are acceptable. Need your input - what do ya'll think?? TIA - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $6500 moon roof scam attempt
Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's new. Same game, just a different chump. Only this chump didn't bite, he bit back. Did you see the other story there, One of the stories making headlines today is a rumor published by the German magazine Focus which states that Apple - purveyor of the iPod, Mac computer line, soon-to-be iPhone, etc. - is developing a new navigation system which will make its debut on Mercedes models starting in 2009. The link is dead, though. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 300SDL windshield
Sounds like you got a good price on the glass, the two places I called wanted $279 $250. (PPG glass) The one place said they can reuse the molding and the other place would like to order new molding just in case. So I guess my next step is to call the insurance co to see if the added expense of the molding well be covered. There is no gasket for this glass, like you quoted below they use a glue/urethane kit. Roger OK Don Wrote- I got a new windshield in my 300SDL last summer at the local Binswanger shop for a total of $200.00 - including tax. It has not leaked in the torrential rains we've been getting - even at highway speeds yesterday. They were able to replace the molding such that I can't tell they touched it. I think this windshield is glued in instead of using a gasket? Glass - $98.52 4.8 labor - $72.00 2- Urethane kits - $20.00 tax - $9.48 total $200.00 On 6/21/07, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roger Conlon wrote: I have a cracked windshield in my 87 SDL, called the local auto glass place to get price on replacement. $505 for windshield from Mercedes $377.20 for six pieces of molding $100-$120 for install. Do I need the Mercedes glass or should I go with a PPG glass, and is it necessary for new molding? I have $100 deductible on my insurance but you can bet I'll pay for it in the long run if I go all original Benz stuff. The PPG glass is just FINE. Much of what dealers have sold over th last 10-15 years have been PPG with a star on it. I have PPG glass in one of my present cars and have used it on several others with NO problem. Marshall -- _ Who's that on the Red Carpet? Play win glamorous prizes. http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=REDCARPET_hotmailtextlink3 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone have any comments good or bad about Amsoil? I've read the literature and it really sounds good. Unlike other oil companies, Amsoil will actually teell you extended oil changes are acceptable. Some Mobil-1 formulations are now being promoted as extended change (up to 15K miles I think). Last I heard, Amsoil buys their base stock from Exxon/Mobil, it is basically Mobil-1 oil with Amsoil's additive package. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] iMercedes
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:57:32 +0930, you wrote: I guess windoze will be an ex$tra option. Part of the Apple vision is integration of all aspects of life and having an actual computer in the car is part of that. Imagine sitting at your computer in the office/home/workshop/wherever and telling your car to preheat the cabin. Or having a fully integrated software package to manage all of the aspects of your car, which can be accessed via the internet from anywhere. More than likely you'll get emails from your local friendly stealership, to inform you that your pride and joy has a niggle and needs to go spend some money in their workshop. Dear Mr/Mrs Mercedes Owner, Through the integrated online managment system we have been informed that your vehicle requires a repair. The specified fault is a non functioning sunroof, code 6500. YOu may opt to just click on the $$$ icon below and have a percentage of your net worth transfered to our dealership, we in turn will signal the sunroof that all is well. Code #6500 will disappear untill we sell Chrysler at which point your regular programing will continue -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, Fun to drive so far 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 196Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 300sd
Instead of saying great shape just list everything that needs to be done to make the car perfect. On 6/22/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to see pics and details, Emil... where is the car located? Thanks, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 6/21/07, Emil Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1984 300sd in great shape still looking for good home, Texas car same owner since 1986. If intrested email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED], and put 300sd in subject line, or respond here, have pics and description that i can send.Thanks E. Martinez -- Get a Free E-mail Account at Mail.com! Choose From 100+ Personalized Domains Visit http://www.mail.com today ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] iMercedes
Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or having a fully integrated software package to manage all of the aspects of your car, which can be accessed via the internet from anywhere. More than likely you'll get emails from your local friendly stealership, to inform you that your pride and joy has a niggle and needs to go spend some money in their workshop. GM is already doing this with OnStar. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] iMercedes
i like power windows. otherwise, you can keep everything else. On 6/22/07, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess windoze will be an ex$tra option. Part of the Apple vision is integration of all aspects of life and having an actual computer in the car is part of that. Imagine sitting at your computer in the office/home/workshop/wherever and telling your car to preheat the cabin. Or having a fully integrated software package to manage all of the aspects of your car, which can be accessed via the internet from anywhere. More than likely you'll get emails from your local friendly stealership, to inform you that your pride and joy has a niggle and needs to go spend some money in their workshop. Dear Mr/Mrs Mercedes Owner, Through the integrated online managment system we have been informed that your vehicle requires a repair. The specified fault is a non functioning sunroof, code 6500. Please press here to chat with one of our online help technician, who will be happy to assist you in . Anyway I guess the technology is finally getting there to make it happen. I do seem to remember reading about the Apple and Daimler alliance. Perhaps BMW will jump into bed with Bill (oooh no I have to drive a beemer:). - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] $6500 moon roof scam attempt Did you see the other story there, One of the stories making headlines today is a rumor published by the German magazine Focus which states that Apple - purveyor of the iPod, Mac computer line, soon-to-be iPhone, etc. - is developing a new navigation system which will make its debut on Mercedes models starting in 2009. The link is dead, though. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 87 300SDL windshield replacement
I'll make sure and bring it to their attention when I finalize on the installer Roger We put a PPG windshield in our 1987 300SDL when we had it and it worked out okay. Have the installer be careful of the two rivets on the top corners of the roof that hold the molding down. I think they're aluminum and oxidize. When they remove the molding the rivet that holds the molding clip on snaps. James Zavesky _ Picture this share your photos and you could win big! http://www.GETREALPhotoContest.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] iMercedes
I guess windoze will be an ex$tra option. Part of the Apple vision is integration of all aspects of life and having an actual computer in the car is part of that. Imagine sitting at your computer in the office/home/workshop/wherever and telling your car to preheat the cabin. Or having a fully integrated software package to manage all of the aspects of your car, which can be accessed via the internet from anywhere. More than likely you'll get emails from your local friendly stealership, to inform you that your pride and joy has a niggle and needs to go spend some money in their workshop. Dear Mr/Mrs Mercedes Owner, Through the integrated online managment system we have been informed that your vehicle requires a repair. The specified fault is a non functioning sunroof, code 6500. Please press here to chat with one of our online help technician, who will be happy to assist you in . Anyway I guess the technology is finally getting there to make it happen. I do seem to remember reading about the Apple and Daimler alliance. Perhaps BMW will jump into bed with Bill (oooh no I have to drive a beemer:). - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] $6500 moon roof scam attempt Did you see the other story there, One of the stories making headlines today is a rumor published by the German magazine Focus which states that Apple - purveyor of the iPod, Mac computer line, soon-to-be iPhone, etc. - is developing a new navigation system which will make its debut on Mercedes models starting in 2009. The link is dead, though. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Friday Driving Story
So yesterday I took a short trip on an errand in my truck, noticed as I was driving that I had a hood ornament. Didn't have one before? Then I noticed it was moving up and down. Then I noticed it was moving up the hood toward the windshield. It was a chameleon hitching a ride. It was bobbing its head up and down when I first saw it, which they seem to do a lot. (Here in Houston we have lots of chameleons, and geckos that are noisy as hell). Anyway, as the wind caught it, it crawled up onto the driver side A pillar, and its tail was hanging into the open window. I flicked it a couple times trying to move it (usually you can't even get that close to them, but here it wouldn't move). Then it moved. Then a block later it falls from the top of the window frame onto my shoulder YOW! where it sat until I flicked it off. Of course it went back behind the seat somewhere instead of back out the window. So a couple minutes later I get home and take a look for it, but did not see it. Closed up the truck for the day. So this morning I get in to go out, thinking I better look for the thing, which I did, and did not see it. So I get in, close the door, put the window down, and there it sat on the door at the bottom of the window, looking at me. I woulda skwooshed it with my elbow if I had not seen it. I flicked it out (finally) and off it went up a tree. These do not have the ability to turn blue, brown appeared to be the closest it could get. They are good at green though. I am still not buying that insurance even though... Happy Friday y'all!. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
I changed out glow plugs #3 and #4, the two originals left, as those are very hard to reach normally but they're completely exposed right now. I'll save the old ones as emergency spares, since they're still good. I reinstalled the AC compressor bracket, there's a little plastic shield (tool-catcher?) over the compressor bracket that I can't seem to get back into place. Maybe it'll become more obvious when the IP goes in. I did some more cleaning, and used up a couple of cans on the fuel filter and power steering pump area. The low-pressure power steering hose looked 'wet', so I took it off. (Messy!) I'll get a new piece at the hose shop. It was a short morning, so that was about it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] iMercedes
On 6/22/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i like power windows. otherwise, you can keep everything else. I wouldn't go quite that far, but I am comfortable saying I hate the touch-screen interfaces for climate control, audio, etc., like Comand in Mercedes and iDrive in BMWs. Give me physical buttons and switches with distinct shapes that I can operate by feel!I can see where a navigation system is a worthwhile reason to have a monitor in the middle of the dashboard, but using it for anything else is what happens when you let the engineers get the upper hand over the human-factors people. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] iMercedes
navigation system is a worthwhile reason to have a monitor in the middle of the dashboard, but using it for anything else is what happens when you let the engineers get the upper hand over the human-factors people. More like an unholy alliance of Game-boy engineers and bean counters. Not real engineers! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] iMercedes
Like so many things it depends on how you use it. A quick glance at my dash mounted GPS tells me the next road coming up more quickly that twisting around to read a street sign - and there are areas where street signs are nearly invisible [Coconut Grove, for instanced]. If you refrain from trying to program it while you are driving and just use it's warnings and notices it is less distracting than looking around. Lots of kids do get killed and injured adjusting stereos and such though. One of my wife's classmates nearly killed herself and totaled her parents new Cadillac because she tried to flip a cigarette out the window and it went into the back seat. She tried to get it out while on an expressway ramp. Kids driving other kids also seems a dangerously distracting activity. Maybe 25 is a good age to start issuing drivers licenses . [after running my four teenagers around you know I am just kidding] BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD290k miles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 12:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] iMercedes Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wouldn't go quite that far, but I am comfortable saying I hate the touch-screen interfaces for climate control, audio, etc., like Comand in Mercedes and iDrive in BMWs. Give me physical buttons and switches with distinct shapes that I can operate by feel!I can see where a navigation system is a worthwhile reason to have a monitor in the middle of the dashboard, but using it for anything else is what happens when you let the engineers get the upper hand over the human-factors people. I'd say that anything that has a need for attention beyond a quick glance (e.g. dashboard gauges/indicator lights) will surely cause an increase in distracted driver accidents. I've not tried driving with one of those navigation devices, but I can't imagine it's not distracting. Maybe a good heads-up display map projected onto the windshield could work -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] iMercedes
Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wouldn't go quite that far, but I am comfortable saying I hate the touch-screen interfaces for climate control, audio, etc., like Comand in Mercedes and iDrive in BMWs. Give me physical buttons and switches with distinct shapes that I can operate by feel!I can see where a navigation system is a worthwhile reason to have a monitor in the middle of the dashboard, but using it for anything else is what happens when you let the engineers get the upper hand over the human-factors people. I'd say that anything that has a need for attention beyond a quick glance (e.g. dashboard gauges/indicator lights) will surely cause an increase in distracted driver accidents. I've not tried driving with one of those navigation devices, but I can't imagine it's not distracting. Maybe a good heads-up display map projected onto the windshield could work -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] iMercedes
power windows are my navigation system. roll down the passenger window and scream out hey, jack, you know where xxx is? On 6/22/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: navigation system is a worthwhile reason to have a monitor in the middle of the dashboard, but using it for anything else is what happens when you let the engineers get the upper hand over the human-factors people. More like an unholy alliance of Game-boy engineers and bean counters. Not real engineers! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] iMercedes
On 6/22/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: navigation system is a worthwhile reason to have a monitor in the middle of the dashboard, but using it for anything else is what happens when you let the engineers get the upper hand over the human-factors people. More like an unholy alliance of Game-boy engineers and bean counters. Not real engineers! :-) Agreed. The bean-counters must have a lot to do with it. It's undoubtedly cheaper per car to add some more code to control a new feature through the touch screen rather than add a new physical control panel or even just an extra button. :( Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] iMercedes
Too many toys are distracting. My younger son was called out to assist a friend last night after midnight. The friend clobbered a curb while trying to change some setting on his stereo and flattened two tires and broke something in the front suspension. My son just drove them home after they called a tow truck. The friend had hoped Tom would tow them but he said it would have just messed up the car more if he had tried to move it. They will likely repair it but it is a Tempo so not much loss if it isn't fixable. A friend's son crashed their late model Buick into a parked car while also messing with the stereo. It was being fixed at a body shop when stolen and totalled so no luck with that one. They now have a Mazda and love it. Some drivers do not need any more distractions when driving. They hardly have sufficient attention span to begin with. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] iMercedes On 6/22/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i like power windows. otherwise, you can keep everything else. I wouldn't go quite that far, but I am comfortable saying I hate the touch-screen interfaces for climate control, audio, etc., like Comand in Mercedes and iDrive in BMWs. Give me physical buttons and switches with distinct shapes that I can operate by feel!I can see where a navigation system is a worthwhile reason to have a monitor in the middle of the dashboard, but using it for anything else is what happens when you let the engineers get the upper hand over the human-factors people. Alex Chamberlain ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] New car New questions
Okay, now that I am happily home with the new-to-us 87 190D (and have my computer set up so I can email now) I naturally could use some input on some questions - the impatient may delete. Is the sunroof not supposed to open all the way on these smaller cars? It slides back but looks like it should open about 6 or 7 inches more. Is that all the farther it's supposed to open? The transmission dipstick: It says 126 on the top of it (followed by other numbers of course) The cap is red in color. Was a mystery before I realized it probably is the wrong dipstick - the level read way low, yet the tranny acted just right. The seller tried to explain this away in lame fashion, saying that when the engine is cold, and engine is shut off, that that is when the level should read correctly (which it does). Fortunately, there was the operator's manual present in the glovebox, and I was able to prove him wrong in black and white. He insisted on holding that he was correct though. I added one pint to be conservative (before I realized that I may have the wrong dipstick. Brian 87 190D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] iMercedes
Allan Streib wrote: Maybe a good heads-up display map projected onto the windshield could work Only if I can read it with my eyes focused to infinity. Takes too long to switch from near to far vision. I can see from 8 to infinity with single vision lenses, but it takes time to switch distances as I get older. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] iMercedes
A good heads up display has the focal length set somewhere in front of the windshield. I have a friend with a newer Vette and hers is set this way. Tom Original Message From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06/22/07 12:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] iMercedes -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Allan Streib wrote: Maybe a good heads-up display map projected onto the windshield could work Only if I can read it with my eyes focused to infinity. Takes too long to switch from near to far vision. I can see from 8 to infinity with single vision lenses, but it takes time to switch distances as I get older. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] iMercedes
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Agreed. The bean-counters must have a lot to do with it. It's undoubtedly cheaper per car to add some more code to control a new feature through the touch screen rather than add a new physical control panel or even just an extra button. :( Personally, I think that would end up with the entire dashboard covered in buttons. I would prefer buttons for the things I use all the time while driving... radio and A/C controls. Make them easy to use without looking at them (hard to do in a field of buttons!), and save all the complicated crap (ie, how long to leave the headlights on when you turn the car off, etc) for a display. Its not like you need to change that stuff while driving down the road! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] iMercedes
GM is already doing this with OnStar. My mom got an email the other day that her '06 HHR was due for an oil change. I believe it'll also pass on imfo regarding any computer fault codes. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula with no onboard computer unless my laptop is in the back seat ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] iMercedes
iMercedes, therefore, I am Loren Faeth prefers manual heating and A/c controls, Manual trans, Mechanical Diesel Injection, radios with knobs, a real knob for headlights and the frog for windshield washers. I can easily make my own decisions, thanks. I do like non-computerized conveniences like central locking, rear defrost, and electric windows, at least for the right side. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New car New questions
Find someone with a comparable car and compare the dipsticks to see if the length is too short. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 12:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] New car New questions Okay, now that I am happily home with the new-to-us 87 190D (and have my computer set up so I can email now) I naturally could use some input on some questions - the impatient may delete. Is the sunroof not supposed to open all the way on these smaller cars? It slides back but looks like it should open about 6 or 7 inches more. Is that all the farther it's supposed to open? The transmission dipstick: It says 126 on the top of it (followed by other numbers of course) The cap is red in color. Was a mystery before I realized it probably is the wrong dipstick - the level read way low, yet the tranny acted just right. The seller tried to explain this away in lame fashion, saying that when the engine is cold, and engine is shut off, that that is when the level should read correctly (which it does). Fortunately, there was the operator's manual present in the glovebox, and I was able to prove him wrong in black and white. He insisted on holding that he was correct though. I added one pint to be conservative (before I realized that I may have the wrong dipstick. Brian 87 190D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New car New questions
I had to read the other post to put this into context. I thought maybe you were talking about Porsche or BMW owners, and I know they all have short dipsticks. --R R A Bennell wrote: Find someone with a comparable car and compare the dipsticks to see if the length is too short. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New car New questions
So do you have evidence to support the reverse situation? One would think a fellow with a normally aspirated MB diesel does not exhibit a need to compensate for other shortages in life?? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 3:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] New car New questions I had to read the other post to put this into context. I thought maybe you were talking about Porsche or BMW owners, and I know they all have short dipsticks. --R R A Bennell wrote: Find someone with a comparable car and compare the dipsticks to see if the length is too short. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New car New questions
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:16:34 -0500, you wrote: Find someone with a comparable car and compare the dipsticks to see if the length is too short. Randy I think there's a medical cure for that, I got an e-mail the other day. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, Fun to drive so far 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 196Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New car New questions
Hey, Dipsticks. My '87 190DT dipstick reads 126 270 00 83 and it sure hurt when tattooed! Dipstick tube # is :-201 270 04 84 EPC 84 190D dipstick:- 126 270 00 83 repl. by ` 140 270 03 83 repl. by 140 270 06 83 Dipstick tube:- 201 270 02 84 repl. by 201 270 04 84 Don't worry, be happy. Fred Moir Lynn MA 85 300TD 87 190DT R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Find someone with a comparable car and compare the dipsticks to see if the length is too short. Randy The transmission dipstick: It says 126 on the top of it (followed by other numbers of course) The cap is red in color. Was a mystery before I realized it probably is the wrong dipstick - the level read way low, yet the tranny acted just right. The seller tried to - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New car New questions
Brian I looked up your car in the EPC to get the part numbers. Too little or too much oil in a motor is never a good thing. I'd try to get the right dipstick soon. Oil dipstick part numbers: A 603 010 02 72 Replaced by A 602 010 02 72 A 602 010 02 72 Oil DipStick Brown Same dipstick up to the end of model year 1988 Hope his helps James Zavesky -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 1:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] New car New questions Okay, now that I am happily home with the new-to-us 87 190D (and have my computer set up so I can email now) I naturally could use some input on some questions - the impatient may delete. Is the sunroof not supposed to open all the way on these smaller cars? It slides back but looks like it should open about 6 or 7 inches more. Is that all the farther it's supposed to open? The transmission dipstick: It says 126 on the top of it (followed by other numbers of course) The cap is red in color. Was a mystery before I realized it probably is the wrong dipstick - the level read way low, yet the tranny acted just right. The seller tried to explain this away in lame fashion, saying that when the engine is cold, and engine is shut off, that that is when the level should read correctly (which it does). Fortunately, there was the operator's manual present in the glovebox, and I was able to prove him wrong in black and white. He insisted on holding that he was correct though. I added one pint to be conservative (before I realized that I may have the wrong dipstick. Brian 87 190D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New car New questions
So, . . . How is it working out for you? Or do we want to know? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter T. Arnold Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 3:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] New car New questions On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:16:34 -0500, you wrote: Find someone with a comparable car and compare the dipsticks to see if the length is too short. Randy I think there's a medical cure for that, I got an e-mail the other day. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New car New questions
Thanks James. But I am talking about the tranny dipstick. It's disturbing to hear that I could in fact have the correct dipstick in there, as I have been running the thing quite low if that is the case. My road trip from So. CA to Seattle surely has not helped things. Again, my tranny dipstick does read 126 as the first digits of the number on the red cap. I was hoping that I had the dipstick from a 126 chassis in there or something. The thing shifts quite nicely though - no maladies. Wonder if I need to add fluid or not?!? Brian 87 190D On 6/22/07, James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian I looked up your car in the EPC to get the part numbers. Too little or too much oil in a motor is never a good thing. I'd try to get the right dipstick soon. Oil dipstick part numbers: A 603 010 02 72 Replaced by A 602 010 02 72 A 602 010 02 72 Oil DipStick Brown Same dipstick up to the end of model year 1988 Hope his helps James Zavesky -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 1:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] New car New questions Okay, now that I am happily home with the new-to-us 87 190D (and have my computer set up so I can email now) I naturally could use some input on some questions - the impatient may delete. Is the sunroof not supposed to open all the way on these smaller cars? It slides back but looks like it should open about 6 or 7 inches more. Is that all the farther it's supposed to open? The transmission dipstick: It says 126 on the top of it (followed by other numbers of course) The cap is red in color. Was a mystery before I realized it probably is the wrong dipstick - the level read way low, yet the tranny acted just right. The seller tried to explain this away in lame fashion, saying that when the engine is cold, and engine is shut off, that that is when the level should read correctly (which it does). Fortunately, there was the operator's manual present in the glovebox, and I was able to prove him wrong in black and white. He insisted on holding that he was correct though. I added one pint to be conservative (before I realized that I may have the wrong dipstick. Brian 87 190D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New car New questions
I think you are on the right track there. --Big Rich R A Bennell wrote: So do you have evidence to support the reverse situation? One would think a fellow with a normally aspirated MB diesel does not exhibit a need to compensate for other shortages in life?? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 3:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] New car New questions I had to read the other post to put this into context. I thought maybe you were talking about Porsche or BMW owners, and I know they all have short dipsticks. --R R A Bennell wrote: Find someone with a comparable car and compare the dipsticks to see if the length is too short. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New car New questions
That is the correct dipstick. It can be low and still shift fine. Zoltan Finks wrote: Okay, now that I am happily home with the new-to-us 87 190D (and have my computer set up so I can email now) I naturally could use some input on some questions - the impatient may delete. Is the sunroof not supposed to open all the way on these smaller cars? It slides back but looks like it should open about 6 or 7 inches more. Is that all the farther it's supposed to open? The transmission dipstick: It says 126 on the top of it (followed by other numbers of course) The cap is red in color. Was a mystery before I realized it probably is the wrong dipstick - the level read way low, yet the tranny acted just right. The seller tried to explain this away in lame fashion, saying that when the engine is cold, and engine is shut off, that that is when the level should read correctly (which it does). Fortunately, there was the operator's manual present in the glovebox, and I was able to prove him wrong in black and white. He insisted on holding that he was correct though. I added one pint to be conservative (before I realized that I may have the wrong dipstick. Brian 87 190D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Well I did it again
I've found/bought over 6 due to free ads in our local paper. Want some?? :) On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 04:59:07 -0700, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I might have bought one or 2 cars from running an ad. Mostly it just attracts nutjobs who want 2k for their 240D that is rusty, needs an engine, and needs interior. Or, the people who call me because I am looking for project cars wanting to sell me their 03 E320 that is perfect for 25k or whatever. Guess they dont know what a project car is. Luther (in Reno) wrote: He needs to put that add in my local AT also. Luther -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Well I did it again
what do you have? Luther (homeward bound) wrote: I've found/bought over 6 due to free ads in our local paper. Want some?? :) On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 04:59:07 -0700, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I might have bought one or 2 cars from running an ad. Mostly it just attracts nutjobs who want 2k for their 240D that is rusty, needs an engine, and needs interior. Or, the people who call me because I am looking for project cars wanting to sell me their 03 E320 that is perfect for 25k or whatever. Guess they dont know what a project car is. Luther (in Reno) wrote: He needs to put that add in my local AT also. Luther -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
Excellent oil, but rather pricey. Do not do extended service intervals without oil analysis, it's too risky. May or may not be better than Mobil 1, that's a debate I don't have much real information on, but you surely won't do worse than spend more money than you should with it, it's not gonna hurt anything. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SDL windshield
Look to see if you have a Binswanger close enough to you --- On 6/22/07, Roger Conlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like you got a good price on the glass, the two places I called wanted $279 $250. (PPG glass) The one place said they can reuse the molding and the other place would like to order new molding just in case. So I guess my next step is to call the insurance co to see if the added expense of the molding well be covered. There is no gasket for this glass, like you quoted below they use a glue/urethane kit. Roger OK Don Wrote- I got a new windshield in my 300SDL last summer at the local Binswanger shop for a total of $200.00 - including tax. It has not leaked in the torrential rains we've been getting - even at highway speeds yesterday. They were able to replace the molding such that I can't tell they touched it. I think this windshield is glued in instead of using a gasket? Glass - $98.52 4.8 labor - $72.00 2- Urethane kits - $20.00 tax - $9.48 total $200.00 -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Cruisin' 91 350SDL
'Drove my 91 350SDL 190 miles today - almost all cruisin' at 65 - 70mph with cruise control on. 'Been driving my 87 300D exclusively for many months. The 124 drives good, but I had nearly forgotten what a fastastic driving/riding car the 126 is - and nearly 17 yrs old. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car comparo
I had to read the other post to put this into context. I thought maybe you were talking about Porsche or BMW owners, and I know they all have short dipsticks. As a Porsche driver of long standing. I find this kind of comment pretty stupid and in rebuttal, I would ask why would one drive around in an ancient and decrepit MB with all kinds of deferred repairs? To be seen in an MB, that's why. RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SDL windshield
I recently had my windshield replaced on the 300SDL. The only drawback I can think of (other than losing the a Diamler-Benz Product sticker) is the fact that newer windshields, although they provide the bluish tinting above the AS1 line, do not have the same UV filtered glass as their OEM counterpart. I guess I will find out soon enough if my flawless, crack free, 20 year old dashboard can take the heat. Pardon the pun... SN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 8:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SDL windshield Look to see if you have a Binswanger close enough to you --- On 6/22/07, Roger Conlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like you got a good price on the glass, the two places I called wanted $279 $250. (PPG glass) The one place said they can reuse the molding and the other place would like to order new molding just in case. So I guess my next step is to call the insurance co to see if the added expense of the molding well be covered. There is no gasket for this glass, like you quoted below they use a glue/urethane kit. Roger OK Don Wrote- I got a new windshield in my 300SDL last summer at the local Binswanger shop for a total of $200.00 - including tax. It has not leaked in the torrential rains we've been getting - even at highway speeds yesterday. They were able to replace the molding such that I can't tell they touched it. I think this windshield is glued in instead of using a gasket? Glass - $98.52 4.8 labor - $72.00 2- Urethane kits - $20.00 tax - $9.48 total $200.00 -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New car New questions
Okay, thanks. Also, thanks to Randy for suggesting I find another 190D and ask to see their dipstick. (not chuckling along with you all). There will certainly be no trouble finding Mercedes diesels around here. Brian On 6/22/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is the correct dipstick. It can be low and still shift fine. Zoltan Finks wrote: Okay, now that I am happily home with the new-to-us 87 190D (and have my computer set up so I can email now) I naturally could use some input on some questions - the impatient may delete. Is the sunroof not supposed to open all the way on these smaller cars? It slides back but looks like it should open about 6 or 7 inches more. Is that all the farther it's supposed to open? The transmission dipstick: It says 126 on the top of it (followed by other numbers of course) The cap is red in color. Was a mystery before I realized it probably is the wrong dipstick - the level read way low, yet the tranny acted just right. The seller tried to explain this away in lame fashion, saying that when the engine is cold, and engine is shut off, that that is when the level should read correctly (which it does). Fortunately, there was the operator's manual present in the glovebox, and I was able to prove him wrong in black and white. He insisted on holding that he was correct though. I added one pint to be conservative (before I realized that I may have the wrong dipstick. Brian 87 190D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New car New questions
Okay, now: With the climate control switched to off (the zero button depressed) my fan started running on its own just this afternoon. Would run for a bit, then shut off for a second or two, then start running again. I took it for some neat feature of the ACC that adjusts for the cabin temperature getting too hot. But I suspect it could be a malfunction, because I have the thing turned off! What say all? ALSO: What could cause the fuse to repeatedly blow that controls the gauge cluster (fuel, oil press. and temp?) Brian 87 190D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 2 questions on 300E?
Hi Everyone, Two questions regarding my 2 month old '88 300E. #1, I notice when I hit bumps, and the front suspension is under rebound, I can hear some noise. Not sure where to start looking. Any rubber bits to watchout for that dry and wear? is the W124 prone to have problems with sway bar mounts or anything. The car handles well and is tight, I just seem to notice this more when driven slow, and ofcourse, the windows down. #2, My Dad had the car out today and after a short drive, stopped. When he started the car up again, he engaged R and nothing would happen. He tried D, 1, 2 etc and nothing. After a few minutes, it's engaged into D and he came home. He told me, I took the car out and couldn't find anything. I tried all the gears, drove it really hard and felt no slip at all, all changes were as they should be. What's up, is Dad just having a hard time telling the difference between D and N these days? hee hee. Could the shift linkage be out of whack? Thanks for your thoughts. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coolant route Merecedes 300D Turbo
Thank you Tom. Mike - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coolant route Merecedes 300D Turbo It does not matter works the same. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Esh Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Coolant route Merecedes 300D Turbo Hi Everyone, I am looking the schematic for the coolant system for my 1984 300D Turbo and the lines for the heater don't matchup with what is on the car. Schematic is laid out like this: Starting with drivers side hose coming from the block it goes through a regulating valve(is this the monovalve) and then to the heat exchanger and from there to the hose off the coolant pump bypass line on the passenger side of the engine. My system goes like this: Starting with drivers side hose coming from the block it goes through the heat exchanger then through the mono valve, then through the electric pump then to the a hose off the coolant pump bypass line on the passenger side. So basically my monovalve is between the heat exchanger and the coolant pump and the schematic has the monovalve between the block and the heat exchanger. Does it make a difference? I just got this car and have not used the heat yet. thanks Mike Esh ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2 questions on 300E?
Four bushings on the sway bar, and two sheet metal mounts for the frame up front. If they are anything but prefect, replace (not expensive). Usually cause lots of rattle and clang when bad -- sounds like something is seriously broken. Check the strut mounts under the hood -- any signs of cracking in the rubber (not just the painted surface) or signs that the cross-bars have contacted the mount, replace. Causes clunks and bangs and weavy steering. A missing bushing (or both of them) in the shift linkage can make engaging the correct gear difficult. With good bushings, the linkage is quite tight, with both missing it will rattle and be quite sloppy. Check the tranny fluid too. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New car New questions
My ACC has done that - it was the push button unit it's self. You take it out, take it apart, and re-solder the switch connections and clean the switches with Deoxit. I think there's a write up in the list archives. On 6/22/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, now: With the climate control switched to off (the zero button depressed) my fan started running on its own just this afternoon. Would run for a bit, then shut off for a second or two, then start running again. I took it for some neat feature of the ACC that adjusts for the cabin temperature getting too hot. But I suspect it could be a malfunction, because I have the thing turned off! What say all? ALSO: What could cause the fuse to repeatedly blow that controls the gauge cluster (fuel, oil press. and temp?) Brian 87 190D -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
I see two options - both cost money. You can change oil at the recommended intervals, or test your oil, and change it when it needs it. The testing is not free, so you might not save any money. I haven't done the calculations - I just want to know what's happening, like to collect too many numbers, so I have mine analyzed and change as needed. I see no problem with either method, it's a personal choice. From what I've read (most of it on this list), I think that both Mobil 1 and Amsoil are great oils for our engines. Use what you can find easily in your area. I do think that trying to save a few dollars on oil is false economy. On 6/22/07, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Say what you want, but I run Mobil1 in both my cars and motorcycle, and I continue to observe the manufacturer's recommended change intervals. Yes, it's more expensive, but it's a very small price to pay in the grand scheme of things, especially when you consider the potential consequences should things go south. FWIW, Mobil1 20W-50 for motorcycles is about $9.00/quart. Dan -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
Say what you want, but I run Mobil1 in both my cars and motorcycle, and I continue to observe the manufacturer's recommended change intervals. Yes, it's more expensive, but it's a very small price to pay in the grand scheme of things, especially when you consider the potential consequences should things go south. FWIW, Mobil1 20W-50 for motorcycles is about $9.00/quart. Dan --- Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent oil, but rather pricey. Do not do extended service intervals without oil analysis, it's too risky. May or may not be better than Mobil 1, that's a debate I don't have much real information on, but you surely won't do worse than spend more money than you should with it, it's not gonna hurt anything. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2 questions on 300E?
D, 1, 2 etc and nothing. After a few minutes, it's engaged into D and he came home. He told me, I took the car out and couldn't find anything. My 190D was bought with 'bad tranny' written on it. Sometimes it would move, sometimes not. The drive ears on the front pump were sheared. If they caught, there was pressure and the car drove normally. If not, nada. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New car New questions
Actually, there is more to it than that. It's not the switches you resolder, but the connections between the main board and the boards mounted on the sides. When these were manufactured, they relied on solder to provide both an electrical and physical connection between the main board on the bottom and two smaller boards on each side, mounted at right angles to the main board. The solder ages, flexes from temperature, humidity and physical shock, and the joints fail. Unless you use a magnifier you'll almost never see them - they are hairline cracks that occur and become intermittent connections, making diagnosis nearly impossible. If you reflow the joints about 90% of the ACC units will be as new. It does require a steady hand and someone with plenty of experience soldering PC boards. I also take the opportunity to replace any worn switch buttons (they're easy to remove with a pair of pliers) and put all new bulbs in, too. I have this all documented in photos and am planning on getting up on my Web site soon. Dan --- OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My ACC has done that - it was the push button unit it's self. You take it out, take it apart, and re-solder the switch connections and clean the switches with Deoxit. I think there's a write up in the list archives. On 6/22/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, now: With the climate control switched to off (the zero button depressed) my fan started running on its own just this afternoon. Would run for a bit, then shut off for a second or two, then start running again. I took it for some neat feature of the ACC that adjusts for the cabin temperature getting too hot. But I suspect it could be a malfunction, because I have the thing turned off! What say all? ALSO: What could cause the fuse to repeatedly blow that controls the gauge cluster (fuel, oil press. and temp?) Brian 87 190D -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] '79 450SEL
While I am waiting to be able to buy Donald's 300SEL for my wife to drive I am going to look at a $750 1979 450SEL in the morning for my daughter to drive for a few months. If the guy is correct the car has 130k miles, interior is good [no rips, tears or cracks], body is good, and it ran fine when he bought it a couple of years ago and has just been sitting in a shop since. Says it will start and run fine but you have to keep gas going into it - higher rev than idle, at least. He thinks it is because of old fuel, and he has done nothing to it since he bought it. I bought a can of Seafoam, suggested by the guy at the FLAPS, who said I might want to try putting half into one of the intake hoses and half into the fuel tank. Not sure what hose he was talking about - I have not even looked at a gas engine in a number of years, and not actually worked on one since my '62 Alfa.. Anyone able to talk me through how to do this? Just which hose and how to find it, or other suggestions. At 130k miles and 28 years anything I should especially look out for? Thanks - BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD, and hoping to add to the fleet. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '79 450SEL
Get some Techron or RedLine fuel injector cleaner if you want to use something. You need to verify that the fuel pump is running, it not it can be quite expensive on that car, I don't think they are as easy to restore to working condition as the W108 ones. No fuel means a stuck fuel distributor or a bad fuel pump. DO NOT dump Seafoam into an intake hose, the only problem you have is fuel supply related, and it could just be the syrup in the tank! Take 5 gal of fresh premium with you, take the fuel line off the tank and drain whatever is in there out, re-fit line, and dump in the fresh fuel along with the bottle of injector cleaner. Jumper the fuel pump relay and let the pump run for an hour or so --this will flush any sludge or gum out of the fuel distributor that is going to come out. Crack the injector lines loose on both ends and push down on the air flow meter flap to flush both the FD and the lines (tighten them up on the FD when clean fuel comes out). Tighten the injector lines when clean fuel comes out at the injector. THEN try to start it. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2 questions on 300E?
Thanks Jim. Ed On 22/06/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: D, 1, 2 etc and nothing. After a few minutes, it's engaged into D and he came home. He told me, I took the car out and couldn't find anything. My 190D was bought with 'bad tranny' written on it. Sometimes it would move, sometimes not. The drive ears on the front pump were sheared. If they caught, there was pressure and the car drove normally. If not, nada. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2 questions on 300E?
Thanks Peter, I'll check all of the above in the morning. Ed On 22/06/07, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Four bushings on the sway bar, and two sheet metal mounts for the frame up front. If they are anything but prefect, replace (not expensive). Usually cause lots of rattle and clang when bad -- sounds like something is seriously broken. Check the strut mounts under the hood -- any signs of cracking in the rubber (not just the painted surface) or signs that the cross-bars have contacted the mount, replace. Causes clunks and bangs and weavy steering. A missing bushing (or both of them) in the shift linkage can make engaging the correct gear difficult. With good bushings, the linkage is quite tight, with both missing it will rattle and be quite sloppy. Check the tranny fluid too. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car comparo
I apologize to all Porsche and BMW drivers of any dipstick size, for my juvenile attempt at humor at the expense of drivers of fine machinery with no deferred maintenance. Anyone out there with a Ferrari? As penance and reparations to each and everyone who took offense at these jejune remarks, I will change the pressure spheres on Brunnhilde's rear end tomorrow. Her existing spheres are causing some rear end jiggle and shake, badunkadunk. I am also going to look at Emil's 300SD, contemplating purchase. I must admit I do like being seen with her though, and she is non-judgmental on dipsticks, more or less. --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had to read the other post to put this into context. I thought maybe you were talking about Porsche or BMW owners, and I know they all have short dipsticks. As a Porsche driver of long standing. I find this kind of comment pretty stupid and in rebuttal, I would ask why would one drive around in an ancient and decrepit MB with all kinds of deferred repairs? To be seen in an MB, that's why. RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
