Re: [MBZ] Motor Week on Speed Testing Dodge Sprinter this week
I thought it was a five. My '06 model was the last of the 5ers. The '07's are equipped with a 3.0L 150HP CDI V6 which has 288LbFt of torque compared to the 242LbFt of the 5er. I wouldn't mind testing one out with my boat behind it, but no, I'm not trading the '07 Dodge for it. :-) I wish that they would have used the more powerful version of that V6 diesel that's used in the Jeep grand cherokee. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trunk strut....?
Just springs. That is preferable to struts, because they pretty much never fail. The rear window struts on the '91 and '95 Isuzu Rodeos in the family have all failed, but the trunk on the old 300SD still stays open. Both of them use nearly 2 quarts between 3Kmi oil changes at 200K miles while the old 300SD at 266K hasn't even used a quart in the 2.5K miles since i've had it! It's things like this that ensure that there will be a Mercedes in my driveway as long as I can work on it. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
yea, I dont think they would be worth selling, or buying for that matter. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have some I think but I think all of them have some rust by that seam that connects the fender to that lower front valence thing, if you know what I mean. Yeah, that's exactly what mine are doing. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Also, I dont really know what all they/we will need, or what help, if any, may come from other sources. Probably need clothes and toys. You may have a point about 'help'. In Michigan, if you became a foster parent they would pay you for it. If you adopted a 'specialneeds' kid, there would be subsidies. Here, it seems like 'special needs' can include any kid that's too old for you to have the privilege of teaching him to talk. I believe I mentioned my niece's adoption (now failed) of a special needs teenager. IIRC, that subsidized adoption paid $937 a month tax free. Three payments like that every month and you wouldn't want help from friends. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
Tom Hargrave wrote: I'm about to send him a $20.00 Christmas Present and challenge each every one of you to give something to cover the cost of his Wife 3 new kids travel home to cover their added Christmas expenses. Since Kaleb isn't rejecting the idea, I'm all for it. Hey, Kaleb, you got any Kohl's or JC Penney stores nearby? I can send gift cards if you want to go Christmas clothes shopping. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
Well, looking on the brite side, at least I will have 5 kids to claim on taxes now. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Also, I dont really know what all they/we will need, or what help, if any, may come from other sources. Probably need clothes and toys. You may have a point about 'help'. In Michigan, if you became a foster parent they would pay you for it. If you adopted a 'specialneeds' kid, there would be subsidies. Here, it seems like 'special needs' can include any kid that's too old for you to have the privilege of teaching him to talk. I believe I mentioned my niece's adoption (now failed) of a special needs teenager. IIRC, that subsidized adoption paid $937 a month tax free. Three payments like that every month and you wouldn't want help from friends. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] hard wiring glow plugs
About this time of year, my glow plug system gets a mind of its own. Even Marshall was never able to figure it out via theoretical troubleshooting. After the temp gets into the low teens, the glow plug light functions only intermittently. Sometimes it lights up and sometimes it doesn't. I *think* the plugs are working, because last year I had a voltmeter hooked up and I could see the load when the plugs are on. (For those who might be wondering, I've experienced same symptoms on two different glow plug relays.) When the light didn't work yesterday, I pre-glowed for 45 seconds and then cranked until it started. The car had been warmed up on the ride to work but had cooled down some during the four hours of sitting in the parking lot. Here's what I am thinking of doing: hard wire +12VDC to the glow plugs and install a switch so I can manually control the duration of pre-glow (and know that it is indeed getting heat to the plugs). Weren't some of the pre-W123 diesels wired up this way? This would be a winter-only modification, going back to using the glow plug relay during the non-winter months. Anyone done this before? What sort of switch should I use? How heavy of a wire? -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have some I think but I think all of them have some rust by that seam that connects the fender to that lower front valence thing, if you know what I mean. Yeah, that's exactly what mine are doing. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
Thank you Tom. I would have never expected you or anyone else to help out but it would certainly be appreciated. And, if somebody just wants to buy parts, that would also help indirectly. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 7:40 AM Subject: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund I know that Kaleb would never ask for such a thing so I will ask for him. As any of you who have followed the thread know, they are about to inherit three small children and Christmas is around the corner. I'm about to send him a $20.00 Christmas Present and challenge each every one of you to give something to cover the cost of his Wife 3 new kids travel home to cover their added Christmas expenses. Kaleb's PayPal email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you Tom. I would have never expected you or anyone else to help out but it would certainly be appreciated. And, if somebody just wants to buy parts, that would also help indirectly. Do you have right and left front fenders for a W123 300D ? Mine are getting rusty down behind the wheels. I found out why, too -- opened up the drivers's side, which is the worst, and there was a mouse nest in there, soaking wet. Can't figure out how or why he thought that would make a good home. Let me know how much. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
Im going to go looking for a power steering pump for you saturday, btw. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids Tom Hargrave wrote: Are you suggesting a Kaleb relief fund? Better yet, does he have a PayPal account that some of us can deposit $$$ into for Christmas. No one needs to keep count. Those who want to can just deposit. When I've bought parts off of him I've sent PayPal through [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Gotta be stuff here of interest
I ran across this web site for a bookseller, lots of cool technical books that I am sure will resonate with many of the listers. Someone should write one on old Benzes! My Christmas list might be expanding... --R http://www.lindsaybks.com/ Exceptional technical books for experimenters, inventors, tinkerers, mad scientists, and Thomas-Edison-types. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: How much does it cost to build a garage?
Jim, can you give an actual $$$ figure? Thanks. Luther On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:06:39 -0600, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like a 1.5 or 2.5 car garage. Basically, room for a small 'shop' on the side and the ability to open the doors on the car without fear of hitting a wall. It needs to be tall enough for the hood to open fully upright (10'?), and it would be nice if it was tall enough for a lift (12-14'?). A standard 8' ceiling is enough to open the hood fully, if the car is on the ground. Anything more than 8' is more expensive, it's not just a scaling (10/8's of the 8' price, for example), there seems to be a pricing penalty. 10' is not enough for a lift, your 12' is a much better number for that. Ours is 24x36x8, roughly, and is deep enough that you can park one sideways in front of a regular-length car in a pinch. I've used this to put a 450SL and a 190D inside as a fourth. Or it can hold our long Dodge pickup. Make it bigger rather than smaller. Even then I guarantee later you'll be asking yourself why you made it so small. I put radiant floor heating tubes in the slab. You can put the pipe in yourself, it's not that expensive. Even if you never get around to using it, before the pour is the time to install it! Doing your own electrical you can take your time and make it just the way you want. I put in a lot of circuits, one above for the door and hardtop lift outlets, one for each wall, three lighting circuits (four, counting the attic space), two welder/range/RV/generator circuits, and a 220 or two for space heaters/tools. There are outlets on each side of the doors, and two above in each aisle between cars. Outlets on either side of the windows, and three on each side wall. GFI outlets on the outside at three corners. However, according to my wife our garage will never be done. I still need to insulate, and sheet-rock it. Then paint, I suppose. She has cause to be concerned. Even unfinished mine was pretty expensive. That's because it's two storeys. (Daylight basement style.) The dirt work was expensive, as were the prestressed spans. (No posts below.) -- Jim -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: How much does it cost to build a garage?
I would like a 1.5 or 2.5 car garage. Basically, room for a small 'shop' on the side and the ability to open the doors on the car without fear of hitting a wall. It needs to be tall enough for the hood to open fully upright (10'?), and it would be nice if it was tall enough for a lift (12-14'?). A standard 8' ceiling is enough to open the hood fully, if the car is on the ground. Anything more than 8' is more expensive, it's not just a scaling (10/8's of the 8' price, for example), there seems to be a pricing penalty. 10' is not enough for a lift, your 12' is a much better number for that. Ours is 24x36x8, roughly, and is deep enough that you can park one sideways in front of a regular-length car in a pinch. I've used this to put a 450SL and a 190D inside as a fourth. Or it can hold our long Dodge pickup. Make it bigger rather than smaller. Even then I guarantee later you'll be asking yourself why you made it so small. I put radiant floor heating tubes in the slab. You can put the pipe in yourself, it's not that expensive. Even if you never get around to using it, before the pour is the time to install it! Doing your own electrical you can take your time and make it just the way you want. I put in a lot of circuits, one above for the door and hardtop lift outlets, one for each wall, three lighting circuits (four, counting the attic space), two welder/range/RV/generator circuits, and a 220 or two for space heaters/tools. There are outlets on each side of the doors, and two above in each aisle between cars. Outlets on either side of the windows, and three on each side wall. GFI outlets on the outside at three corners. However, according to my wife our garage will never be done. I still need to insulate, and sheet-rock it. Then paint, I suppose. She has cause to be concerned. Even unfinished mine was pretty expensive. That's because it's two storeys. (Daylight basement style.) The dirt work was expensive, as were the prestressed spans. (No posts below.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:NOAA website
Not me - I don't have a beam pointed that way --- It worked last night for me, but not this AM. however, the local forecast is working at http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?map.x=207map.y=134MapType=3site=ounCiTemplate=1 On Dec 7, 2007 7:31 AM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.srh.noaa.gov Anyone know who crashed the site? It hasn't responded for me the last 2 days. OK Don, did you do something??? :) -- -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
Uhh alot east of 'em as a matter of fact, east of the Rockies too, and the Adirondacks. 60 miles east and I'd hit the Atlantic... I'm an east coaster. 5F when I got up this morning but a balmy 10F by the time I left for work. -Curt Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:36:10 -0800 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh, I keep forgetting you must be east of the Cascades. I thought you were around Seattle. Brian Curt wrote:Plus it was 8F this morning it'll get to maybe 35F today - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:NOAA website
Luther wrote: www.weather.gov gets the same info...I finally found it. weather.gov would go to the NOAA website once you typed in a city/zip code. Guess they've changed the site layout! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:NOAA website
Luther wrote: http://www.srh.noaa.gov Anyone know who crashed the site? It hasn't responded for me the last 2 days. OK Don, did you do something??? :) It worked for me yesterday, but not today. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Going to Look at a 115
Yet, (playing Devil's Advocate...) the guy made more money on a deal that might not have happend at the lower price... Luther On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:04:08 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is shitty when somebody sets up an appointment and sells it out from under you. He could have at least let you offer more (which I would not have). Robert Rentfro wrote: No...the SOB sold it to someone who got there 10 minutes before I did...for $2500. What's worse, the guy drove it home so I didn't even get to see it. He called on my cell as I was pulling in his subdivision to tell me he sold it. We made the date for 4:15 to see the car...the other guy showed up at 3:50. So I had no other choice but to go out with some pals and get plowed. I guess the $1750 goes back into saving in the AM. Bob R. Gonna have a headache in the AM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Going to Look at a 115 Did you buy it already? It's been pulled from CL. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
Tom Hargrave wrote: Are you suggesting a Kaleb relief fund? Better yet, does he have a PayPal account that some of us can deposit $$$ into for Christmas. No one needs to keep count. Those who want to can just deposit. When I've bought parts off of him I've sent PayPal through [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] murder update
Make that early June? I'll be going to Albuquerque in late June for the National bowling tournament. Luther On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:33:58 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will be in June sometime Im pretty sure. Robert Rentfro wrote: 10-4. I'll keep that in mind. You and Regina are doing the right thing, Kaleb. I'm gonna make one of these 'Q's this year dang nabit. Put the date out early Bob R -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Motor Week on Speed Testing Dodge Sprinter this week
I?guess?I will know better AFTER I watch the show -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:10 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor Week on Speed Testing Dodge Sprinter this week First play will be at 08:30 MST on Friday. Check your local listings or log on to the speed channel to see when the replays are. The Sprinter carries an inline 6 cylinder turbo diesel made by Mercedes (token MB content). More and more of these are showing up on the used market, mostly due to the shear volumes that have been sold. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp000503 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: How much does it cost to build a garage?
I'm kinda looking around to 'upgrade' houses, and in this area it is very difficult to find one with a garage. Well, in my price range at least. So I was just curious what kind of options I have as far as building a garage. I would do all the electrical, finishing, etc inside the garage. So just the cost of slab, structure, roof, siding, door I would like a 1.5 or 2.5 car garage. Basically, room for a small 'shop' on the side and the ability to open the doors on the car without fear of hitting a wall. It needs to be tall enough for the hood to open fully upright (10'?), and it would be nice if it was tall enough for a lift (12-14'?). I'm in north Mississippi if that helps the pricing out. Any other tips, tricks, etc? Thanks! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
Are you suggesting a Kaleb relief fund? Better yet, does he have a PayPal account that some of us can deposit $$$ into for Christmas. No one needs to keep count. Those who want to can just deposit. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 12/6/07 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids Kaleb and Regina are getting hit with some expenses now - three more plane tickets, and presents for three more under the tree in 2½ weeks -- plus the living expenses of raising three more kids. On Dec 6, 2007 9:12 PM, Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah agree with what he said. :)The fate of these children has really been weighing heavy on me. You'll do it and look back on the pleasures of having had the opportunity to both share in their lives and help mold those lives. Dave H... -- From: wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you, Kaleb. You and Regina are doing the right thing for the children. They need to be with family - someone who can really love them. It'll be hard at times, I'm sure, but you'll be blessed many times over. I can feel better about the children, now. Thank you. Wilton -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 rear fogs as more tail light
wilton strickland wrote: BTW, 'don't notice any significant difference in intensity between orig. tail lights and the added fog tail lights on my 123, 124 and 126 - they're all 10 watt bulbs and just more tail light area - don't see how they could blind anybody. Since you did a *proper* conversion there shouldn't be any blinding going on. My comment was more targeted towards people who's cars are already wired for rear fogs (my '92 300D came that way) that have the 21W bulbs installed. If those are left on all the time it would be an annoyance to the cars behind. :) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
when my kid was two, she didn't talk. as she seemed intelligent in all other ways, this didn't worry me much. i have a cousin who didn't talk unitl age 3 and then started speaking in full sentences. he is today an MD with degrees from cornell and yale. someone told my now ex wife that the state would give us money because the kid didn't talk. this seemed incredible to me, but i applied anyway and started getting checks and prizes. gotta love the welfare state! On Dec 7, 2007 9:59 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Also, I dont really know what all they/we will need, or what help, if any, may come from other sources. Probably need clothes and toys. You may have a point about 'help'. In Michigan, if you became a foster parent they would pay you for it. If you adopted a 'specialneeds' kid, there would be subsidies. Here, it seems like 'special needs' can include any kid that's too old for you to have the privilege of teaching him to talk. I believe I mentioned my niece's adoption (now failed) of a special needs teenager. IIRC, that subsidized adoption paid $937 a month tax free. Three payments like that every month and you wouldn't want help from friends. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
I have some I think but I think all of them have some rust by that seam that connects the fender to that lower front valence thing, if you know what I mean. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you Tom. I would have never expected you or anyone else to help out but it would certainly be appreciated. And, if somebody just wants to buy parts, that would also help indirectly. Do you have right and left front fenders for a W123 300D ? Mine are getting rusty down behind the wheels. I found out why, too -- opened up the drivers's side, which is the worst, and there was a mouse nest in there, soaking wet. Can't figure out how or why he thought that would make a good home. Let me know how much. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
Ditto Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Landenberger Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 8:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund Tom, I'm in. It's in the mail... Chuck Phoenix ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
Some more advice, if you want it. These kids have been through a considerable trauma, and from your description of their situation prior to that they have also been kinda out of the mainstream, in ways that are also traumatic. That is going to weigh heavily on them (and you) as you work to get them into your proper way of life. I would suggest checking with your local school system for psychological evaluations to see how they can/will fit into the school system. I do not have a lot of faith in public school systems -- the Catholic schools seem to have a much better success. You might want to see if there are any around that might want to take on these kids, and they will likely be very accommodating to the circumstances as far as payments go. That is a gift to the children. You might also want to check with the local Dept of Child Services (or whatever it is called there) about psychological support for the children. They WILL need that help, and there is nothing wrong with seeking it or getting it, and it will help make all your lives easier. There might also be other services for THEM that will help them adjust and you to take care of them. You are a taxpayer, this is a taxpayer-funded service, it is not charity so don't think of it as that. If there are things that people offer you, or want to give for the children, accept them graciously in the spirit in which they are offered. You will pay this back many times over to many other people when you help these children, by whatever means you can provide or comes your way. It is a loan with a long-term payback, and people are helping you do it so they will get the benefits back too. My fear is that the children are not able to overcome these events in their lives, and will need more intervention as they get older, which will be more difficult for everyone. Every bit of help is for them, now is better than later. Kids are very resilient but they need lots of help to be that way, as I am sure you know. Best wishes for all. Your Benz community is supporting you. --R Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Also, I dont really know what all they/we will need, or what help, if any, may come from other sources. Probably need clothes and toys. You may have a point about 'help'. In Michigan, if you became a foster parent they would pay you for it. If you adopted a 'specialneeds' kid, there would be subsidies. Here, it seems like 'special needs' can include any kid that's too old for you to have the privilege of teaching him to talk. I believe I mentioned my niece's adoption (now failed) of a special needs teenager. IIRC, that subsidized adoption paid $937 a month tax free. Three payments like that every month and you wouldn't want help from friends. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 rear fogs as more tail light
The same with my ex's Audi, though hers only lights on the left side, which makes it appear as if a bulb's burnt. On Dec 6, 2007 7:02 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fog lamps on my Volvo are not the same as the tail lamps, they are the same wattage as the stop lamps. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Kiwis set to choke on used car prices
Your tax dollars at work (if you are from NZ). --R http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=65objectid=10478165pnum=0 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
If something shows up in my paypal account, I wont turn it down but I just have this thing about taking handouts so to speak. Nothing wrong with it but I just dont like to have to do it. Also, I dont really know what all they/we will need, or what help, if any, may come from other sources. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'OK Don' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids Are you suggesting a Kaleb relief fund? Better yet, does he have a PayPal account that some of us can deposit $$$ into for Christmas. No one needs to keep count. Those who want to can just deposit. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard wiring glow plugs
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:50:19 -0600 Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's what I am thinking of doing: hard wire +12VDC to the glow plugs and install a switch so I can manually control the duration of pre-glow (and know that it is indeed getting heat to the plugs). Weren't some of the pre-W123 diesels wired up this way? This would be a winter-only modification, going back to using the glow plug relay during the non-winter months. Anyone done this before? What sort of switch should I use? How heavy of a wire? The 60 amp fuse in the glow plug relay shows what kind of current to expect. You'd want at least 10 gauge wire (considering that it's on for only a short period), maybe even 8 or 6 gauge. Your best bet would be a Ford-type starting relay in the engine compartment and then small wires to a switch in the passenger compartment. That said, a better solution might be to put a bulb (or LED w/resistor) in one of the unused light locations in the lower strip of the instrument cluster and wire it to one of the glow plugs and ground. It would illuminate when the glow plugs have power. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: How much does it cost to build a garage?
Jim, can you give an actual $$$ figure? Thanks. I blocked it out. But it was somewhere north of $80k, the two stories really cost me. It was built to match the house and existing garage, that added some too. That was for a shell, with doors and openers and a roof. At first I was running them off extension cords from the old garage. We sided it later, and later yet I wired it. That's where I'm stalled right now. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
How about a mailing address? Harry On Dec 7, 2007 7:40 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that Kaleb would never ask for such a thing so I will ask for him. As any of you who have followed the thread know, they are about to inherit three small children and Christmas is around the corner. I'm about to send him a $20.00 Christmas Present and challenge each every one of you to give something to cover the cost of his Wife 3 new kids travel home to cover their added Christmas expenses. Kaleb's PayPal email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard wiring glow plugs
W123 240D. On Dec 7, 2007 10:04 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What car? -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trunk strut....?
I have had the part that holds the spring to the boot (trunk) come away in my 123, just broke the spot welds and bent it a bit. However it was a cheap and easy fix. Hendrik Kevin Kraly wrote: Just springs. That is preferable to struts, because they pretty much never fail. The rear window struts on the '91 and '95 Isuzu Rodeos in the family have all failed, but the trunk on the old 300SD still stays open. Both of them use nearly 2 quarts between 3Kmi oil changes at 200K miles while the old 300SD at 266K hasn't even used a quart in the 2.5K miles since i've had it! It's things like this that ensure that there will be a Mercedes in my driveway as long as I can work on it. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] shop costs
Hey Randy, How much snow is on the ground as we speak? Temperature? On Dec 6, 2007 5:16 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clarification require - are you suggesting: 1. My brother in law the mechanic (or at least the owner of the shop where he works and is fixing our truck) should get a MB with the $$$ I will have to pay him to redeem the truck? 2. I should get an MB - (a) because then I would really appreciate what it costs to have a vehicle repaired in a shop? or (b) MB's are good and don't require much work? 3. Or why would we drive a Ford when we could drive an MB 4. OR? In any event, I have an MB - old but reliable enough but not being used in this miserable cold and slippery winter weather - it is currently hibernating until the spring while we bomb around in 4X4 pickups. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 4:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] shop costs he should get a mercedes! On Dec 6, 2007 4:32 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not used to paying for repairs in a shop. I try to do most of the work myself given we have a bunch of older vehicles kicking around. Unfortunately, the 98 F150 that my younger son is driving has been in the shop since Tuesday afternoon and we hope to get it back on Friday. I'm beginning to think I may have to mortgage my soul to redeem the truck. It is a dark blue, short box regular cab 4X4 with the 4.2 V6 with a 5 speed. The hydraulic clutch has been acting a bit odd. It did it last winter towards the end but then the weather warmed and all was OK for the summer. I knew it needed attention but ran out of time and warm weather. In any event, Tom said it was getting harder to shift and would grind a bit going into reverse etc. My brother in law is a mechanic and we had him look at it. He suggested changing out the master clutch cylinder. We had him do that but then he could not get it to bleed properly. The result is that we have now had him pull the tranny to change out the slave cylinder and so long as he has it apart, the clutch and related components as well. During this dismantling process, he has learned that the front driveshaft slip joint is seized and that one of the universal joints on it is very stiff. He has located a used front drive shaft in a dismantler's yard for $200. Ford wanted $650. So, I expect we are already over $800 in parts and I can hardly wait to see the labour bill. Unfortunately, it is a big job to do on a 4X4. The exhaust had to be cut to get it out of the way and the manifold studs broke off so he had to drill them. All necessary stuff and it is still a decent truck. About 122K miles on it. Randy in Winterpeg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard wiring glow plugs
I have yet to find a clamp-on DC Ammeter for less than $200 that works worth shit. Craftsman has one for ~$180 that is barely adequate. Once upon a time I had a nice Fluke unit that I bought at an auction. It was da bomb. Retail at the time was ~ $500. Unfortunately a friend borrowed it and I have not seen either in years. -Dave Walton On Dec 7, 2007 11:14 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: W123 240D. If you have a clamp-on DC ammeter, and you really should for long-term care and feeding of these beasts, you can check the plug currents to see that they're all about the same. It's not a particularly cheap tool, but it's very useful for glow plug, battery, and starter problem diagnosis. (A 30-0-30 dashboard ammeter will also do the plug job, with a bit more work. They're pretty cheap.) That's a more expensive tool than the simple voltmeter you use to diagnose a series plug system, which I presume you don't have. (Feel free to correct us if you do.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT:NOAA website
http://www.srh.noaa.gov Anyone know who crashed the site? It hasn't responded for me the last 2 days. OK Don, did you do something??? :) -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard wiring glow plugs
You are a very creative and intelligent man, Craig. Great idea. That would bypass whatever portion of the glow plug relay that says light up the lightbulb. On Dec 7, 2007 9:09 AM, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That said, a better solution might be to put a bulb (or LED w/resistor) in one of the unused light locations in the lower strip of the instrument cluster and wire it to one of the glow plugs and ground. It would illuminate when the glow plugs have power. Craig -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard wiring glow plugs
Here's what I am thinking of doing: hard wire +12VDC to the glow plugs and install a switch so I can manually control the duration of pre-glow (and know that it is indeed getting heat to the plugs). Weren't some of the pre-W123 diesels wired up this way? The 115's have a pull-knob to switch the rather hefty glow plug current, and another plug in series behind a salt-shaker grille in the dash so you can watch it (and presumably them) get red hot. Crude, but effective. What car? Most of them have current-sensing relays that look for imbalance in the plugs' currents and won't light the lamp if things aren't right. Especially if #1 is out of whack. I use a clamp-on DC ammeter to check for balance in the parallel system. One plug out of whack can do it, two certainly can. I had a 190D #1 plug that drew 2x the normal current. The car started just fine, but the light said no good. My guess is that you have at least one plug that's out of spec and the relays are reacting to that. The relay uses a current transformer with three turns (say) for the #2-4 plug power balanced against one turn (in reverse) for #1 power. If these currents aren't balanced the light doesn't function normally. Keep in mind that the light has NOTHING to do with power to the plugs. It is a suggestive timer and diagnostic device. If the GP relay's working at all it's supplying power when the key is on until you hit start, or the global timeout occurs at 1.5-2 minutes. Most GP relay failures seem to be in the light circuit, not in the GP circuit. You could try counting potatoes before starting. My son brushes his teeth for the duration of two hummed Happy Birthdays. You could do worse! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: How much does it cost to build a garage?
Metal buildings are relatively cheap if the aesthetics aren't a big concern, though I think some of them can be dressed up a bit. They go up fast too. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:NOAA website
www.weather.gov gets the same info...I finally found it. On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:36:28 -0600, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther wrote: http://www.srh.noaa.gov Anyone know who crashed the site? It hasn't responded for me the last 2 days. OK Don, did you do something??? :) It worked for me yesterday, but not today. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Well, looking on the brite side, at least I will have 5 kids to claim on taxes now. Take a close look at the dependency rules. IRS has a checklist for this. If they were born this month, you'd be supporting them the whole time they were alive this year and would claim them on your 2007 return. If you shared custody with your ex who had them for 11 months, your ex would claim them. If you adopt or become a foster parent after the year is more than half over, I'm not sure how it works. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard wiring glow plugs
The relay uses a current transformer with three turns (say) for the #2-4 plug power balanced against one turn (in reverse) for #1 power. And that would be backwards, of course. One turn for the three plugs versus three turns for the one plug. A reed switch senses the net DC magnetic field. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
A gift card is another great idea. Also, I'm sure that long term, the government may be able to assist but they can't help NOW. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 12/7/07 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund Tom Hargrave wrote: I'm about to send him a $20.00 Christmas Present and challenge each every one of you to give something to cover the cost of his Wife 3 new kids travel home to cover their added Christmas expenses. Since Kaleb isn't rejecting the idea, I'm all for it. Hey, Kaleb, you got any Kohl's or JC Penney stores nearby? I can send gift cards if you want to go Christmas clothes shopping. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
Tom, I'm in. It's in the mail... Chuck Phoenix ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
I know that Kaleb would never ask for such a thing so I will ask for him. As any of you who have followed the thread know, they are about to inherit three small children and Christmas is around the corner. I'm about to send him a $20.00 Christmas Present and challenge each every one of you to give something to cover the cost of his Wife 3 new kids travel home to cover their added Christmas expenses. Kaleb's PayPal email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: How much does it cost to build a garage?
You can build mortarless concrete block walls very quickly and easily done. My wife and I built our 32' X 60' X 10' basement walls 11 years ago and came within 1/2 both level and square. Our previous building experience was a leaky dog house. After the wall is up, we troweled (both sides) on a product from Quikcrete called Surface Bonding Material IIRC. Kept it damp for three days with a battery operated timer and lawn sprinklers, that's it. We would build the wall off the truck until it got too high. A ball park cost for a 10' X 10' wall is about $400. Harry On Dec 7, 2007 11:45 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We built one on the farm last year, cost about $10k all done. 20x24 IIRC one garage door and a man door, 10' or 12' (I forget) at at the eves to allow the farm tractor without hitting my head. Of course some of that included building a road (we're 3/4 mile from pavement) solid enough for the readymix truck to get in on and fairly significant earthwork. Also this is Caribou, Maine so the labor costs were fairly low. -Curt Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:02:55 -0600 From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OT: How much does it cost to build a garage? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I'm kinda looking around to 'upgrade' houses, and in this area it is very difficult to find one with a garage. Well, in my price range at least. So I was just curious what kind of options I have as far as building a garage. I would do all the electrical, finishing, etc inside the garage. So just the cost of slab, structure, roof, siding, door I would like a 1.5 or 2.5 car garage. Basically, room for a small 'shop' on the side and the ability to open the doors on the car without fear of hitting a wall. It needs to be tall enough for the hood to open fully upright (10'?), and it would be nice if it was tall enough for a lift (12-14'?). I'm in north Mississippi if that helps the pricing out. Any other tips, tricks, etc? Thanks! John - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard wiring glow plugs
-Original Message- From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am now in winter survival mode, since I love close enough to my office to work to work if necessary but don't really want to do so. There could be some sort of Freudian slip in there but you deserve the benefit of the doubt. The really scary thing for me is that you type better than I do. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
She is checking on all that while in Maine. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids You will need birth certificates to do that. Welcome to my world ! On Dec 7, 2007 11:48 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At this point, we are not even sure if they have ss# or not. May have to apply for all that. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
$6 each --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Bill Ringgold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund Perhaps a donation and a very small order. Kaleb, it looks like my '81 300SD is supposed to have lights under the front doors. How much for those? [rear door lights are fine]. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 297k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
Will do for sure! --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids This group is a veritable treasure trove of excellent advice from so many listers. Kaleb, please keep us posted as this amazing story unfolds. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
Kaleb reminded ALL of us: but that fact is that there will be immediate needs that have to be met. We shall help ease those needs. You don't think Wal Mart is Satan, do you? Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
24637 S. Wells Ranch Rd Claremore, OK 74019 --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund How about a mailing address? Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
Right, Im sure something will happen on that front, but that fact is that there will be immediate needs that have to be met. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mitch Haley' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund A gift card is another great idea. Also, I'm sure that long term, the government may be able to assist but they can't help NOW. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
sure we do, but we do have to fight off the indians while our wagon train is going to town. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund Tom Hargrave wrote: I'm about to send him a $20.00 Christmas Present and challenge each every one of you to give something to cover the cost of his Wife 3 new kids travel home to cover their added Christmas expenses. Since Kaleb isn't rejecting the idea, I'm all for it. Hey, Kaleb, you got any Kohl's or JC Penney stores nearby? I can send gift cards if you want to go Christmas clothes shopping. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: How much does it cost to build a garage?
We built one on the farm last year, cost about $10k all done. 20x24 IIRC one garage door and a man door, 10' or 12' (I forget) at at the eves to allow the farm tractor without hitting my head. Of course some of that included building a road (we're 3/4 mile from pavement) solid enough for the readymix truck to get in on and fairly significant earthwork. Also this is Caribou, Maine so the labor costs were fairly low. -Curt Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:02:55 -0600 From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OT: How much does it cost to build a garage? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I'm kinda looking around to 'upgrade' houses, and in this area it is very difficult to find one with a garage. Well, in my price range at least. So I was just curious what kind of options I have as far as building a garage. I would do all the electrical, finishing, etc inside the garage. So just the cost of slab, structure, roof, siding, door I would like a 1.5 or 2.5 car garage. Basically, room for a small 'shop' on the side and the ability to open the doors on the car without fear of hitting a wall. It needs to be tall enough for the hood to open fully upright (10'?), and it would be nice if it was tall enough for a lift (12-14'?). I'm in north Mississippi if that helps the pricing out. Any other tips, tricks, etc? Thanks! John - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: How much does it cost to build a garage?
Thanks for the explanations :) -- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 1:19 PM To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How much does it cost to build a garage? If I Remember Correctly. I use that one alot. I also use FWIW For What Its Worth. However I never use YMMV. Your Mileage May Vary -Curt Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:04:56 -0500 From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How much does it cost to build a garage? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Ok I'll admit it. Even on my best days I can be a little slow. :) What does this IIRC mean that I frequently see in these postings? Dave H... - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: How much does it cost to build a garage?
Jim Cathey wrote: I blocked it out. But it was somewhere north of $80k, Around here, materials packages for an 8' high stud wall start at about $2000 plus foundation and interior wallcoverings for a one car, and quickly go up around $5-6k for a four car. Building a foundation 3 1/2' below grade level to put the stud walls on adds quite a bit to the total price. I priced a 30x56x12 foot post frame shell. Steel siding and roofing, the quote from the lumberyard, including 96 bags of sackrete for the footings, 4' truss spacing, 39lb snow load, came out to almost exactly $10k. For $100 more, I could get a 5yd load from the local concrete company, put two yards into the footings, and have them do the approach to the garage door with the rest. I contacted a local contractor to see what he would charge to put it up, and he quoted me $5 a square foot, or $8k. By the time I paid for insulation and interior, and a concrete floor, I could be looking at $30-35k, or about $20 a square foot. In Mississippi, I bet they would let you use the same trusses that we space at 4', and space the poles and trusses at 9'. Check the post frame kits at Menards.com. The standard packages are going to be your minimum possible cost, not compliant with Michigan building codes, but they might be legal outside of the snow belt. Menard's post frame kits as priced on the web page have 9' post and truss spacing, with smaller posts than my code requires. (We need 6x6 posts for a 12' high by 30' wide, Menard's specs 4x6) The good news is that in store prices are usually about 10% lower than internet prices. You CAN put a floor plate hoist under a 10' ceiling, the posts are ususally about 9 1/2 feet high, but if you don't stop when the car roof hits the ceiling it's going to get crunched. And forget about putting the car up with the hood open. If you aren't going to insulate the garage you can make the ceiling just about any height, as long as you use 8' or 9' truss spacing, and lift the car between two trusses with the doors closed. If you just want a workshop, 16' x 24' might be enough, if you want to store your cars indoors, you'll want more space. http://www.menards.com/featuredProjectsMain.do ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
Harry, Kaleb C Regina M Striplin 24637 S Wells Ranch Rd Claremore, OK 74019-2039 Take care and be healthy Chuck Phoenix AZ On Dec 7, 2007, at 8:26 AM, Harry Watkins wrote: How about a mailing address? Harry On Dec 7, 2007 7:40 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that Kaleb would never ask for such a thing so I will ask for him. As any of you who have followed the thread know, they are about to inherit three small children and Christmas is around the corner. I'm about to send him a $20.00 Christmas Present and challenge each every one of you to give something to cover the cost of his Wife 3 new kids travel home to cover their added Christmas expenses. Kaleb's PayPal email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: How much does it cost to build a garage?
If I Remember Correctly. I use that one alot. I also use FWIW For What Its Worth. However I never use YMMV. Your Mileage May Vary -Curt Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:04:56 -0500 From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How much does it cost to build a garage? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Ok I'll admit it. Even on my best days I can be a little slow. :) What does this IIRC mean that I frequently see in these postings? Dave H... - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: How much does it cost to build a garage?
A friend I work with wanted to buy a Tuff Shed to put in his back yard. Something kind of large with two separated areas: one for storage and one for a kind of craft room. Several other dudes we work with convinced him that we could build a nicer one for the same money (note: the other dudes are nuclear, electrical, and mechanical engineers). You can see where this is going, I'm sure. When it was done the shed was nicer than most houses in the area (well above code electrically, surround sound, wired for dish, plumbing, hvac, tiled roof). One large temperature controlled storage room, a man's crapper (as his wife says) with a 19 LCD TV mounted directly ahead at eye level as you sit, and a large mixed use room. It is sweet. My pal spent well above what he would have spent on a suitable Tuff Shed. On the other hand, he has a nice place to go when he is in the dog house. Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: How much does it cost to build a garage?
Dave H... wrote: What does this IIRC mean that I frequently see in these postings? If I remember correctly :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
Bill said it better than I can. I'm sure that you can get along fine without a penny from any of us. I'm just as sure that a short term buffer will help. I's not a handout, its a gift. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Bill Ringgold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 12/7/07 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids I don't think any of us feel you 'have' tohave help. One of the deepest need people seem to have is the need to care about someone else. For me, and I suspect for many others, i's just a way to say we do care. BillR -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 12/7/07 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids If something shows up in my paypal account, I wont turn it down but I just have this thing about taking handouts so to speak. Nothing wrong with it but I just dont like to have to do it. Also, I dont really know what all they/we will need, or what help, if any, may come from other sources. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'OK Don' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids Are you suggesting a Kaleb relief fund? Better yet, does he have a PayPal account that some of us can deposit $$$ into for Christmas. No one needs to keep count. Those who want to can just deposit. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
Chuck, I think you called me the other day. I will email you what I come up with ASAP. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund Harry, Kaleb C Regina M Striplin 24637 S Wells Ranch Rd Claremore, OK 74019-2039 Take care and be healthy Chuck Phoenix AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard wiring glow plugs
Wow, that is unlike me. Two bloopers in the same sentence. In fairness to me, I was being distracted by an intercom question while keyboarding. On Dec 7, 2007 12:12 PM, Bill Ringgold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am now in winter survival mode, since I love close enough to my office to work to work if necessary but don't really want to do so. There could be some sort of Freudian slip in there but you deserve the benefit of the doubt. The really scary thing for me is that you type better than I do. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: How much does it cost to build a garage?
*he has a nice place to go when he is in the dog house.* We used to call it a pout house. T From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:41:51 -0700 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How much does it cost to build a garage? A friend I work with wanted to buy a Tuff Shed to put in his back yard. Something kind of large with two separated areas: one for storage and one for a kind of craft room. Several other dudes we work with convinced him that we could build a nicer one for the same money (note: the other dudes are nuclear, electrical, and mechanical engineers). You can see where this is going, I'm sure. When it was done the shed was nicer than most houses in the area (well above code electrically, surround sound, wired for dish, plumbing, hvac, tiled roof). One large temperature controlled storage room, a man's crapper (as his wife says) with a 19 LCD TV mounted directly ahead at eye level as you sit, and a large mixed use room. It is sweet. My pal spent well above what he would have spent on a suitable Tuff Shed. On the other hand, he has a nice place to go when he is in the dog house. Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard wiring glow plugs
I've been hangin' around in here for so many years that most folks *know*that I have a '77 240D. As for troubleshooting the problem, I've spent scores of hours and lots of bandwidth in past years trying to figure out what's happening. I am now in winter survival mode, since I love close enough to my office to work to work if necessary but don't really want to do so. Also, the fact that the problem is intermittent and only happens when it is so cold that troubleshooting isn't an appealing prospect helps to complicate things. Whatever is happening is definitely temperature related and it only happens in ugly temps. :-) On Dec 7, 2007 11:14 AM, Doug Quance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, Marshall would admonish you for not telling us the car. :-) -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard wiring glow plugs
THAT is what I'm talkin' about. Hey, my motorcycle actually has four carbs instead of fuel injection. I am an old school sort of guy. On 12/7/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The old cars like Gump just have the yank on it to glow knob. Requires some subjective calculations to determine the effective amount of pre-glow needed. At times it will go through three pre- glow cycles before feeling that enough electrons have gathered to create critical mass. Combustion follows. clay On 7 Dec 2007, at 06:50, Wonko the Sane wrote: About this time of year, my glow plug system gets a mind of its own. Even Marshall was never able to figure it out via theoretical troubleshooting. After the temp gets into the low teens, the glow plug light functions only intermittently. Sometimes it lights up and sometimes it doesn't. I *think* the plugs are working, because last year I had a voltmeter hooked up and I could see the load when the plugs are on. (For those who might be wondering, I've experienced same symptoms on two different glow plug relays.) When the light didn't work yesterday, I pre-glowed for 45 seconds and then cranked until it started. The car had been warmed up on the ride to work but had cooled down some during the four hours of sitting in the parking lot. Here's what I am thinking of doing: hard wire +12VDC to the glow plugs and install a switch so I can manually control the duration of pre-glow (and know that it is indeed getting heat to the plugs). Weren't some of the pre-W123 diesels wired up this way? This would be a winter-only modification, going back to using the glow plug relay during the non-winter months. Anyone done this before? What sort of switch should I use? How heavy of a wire? -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Frankenheap clockery
This evening I pulled the clock, and found that the reason the hands were getting wonky and that it had finally stopped was that one of the plastic gear axle nubs had snapped off. I've dealt with this before, on my 560 SL. I got out a small drill (PCB type) and drilled (carefully, by hand) down the center of the axle. I then cut a piece of wire and pushed it into the hole. Insty-hub! We'll see if it works, but at least the clock can be set again. The worst problem was that I had to drill out the brass rivets that hold the front plate on. Screws are too bulky to put it back together, so I ran wire around through the holes and crimped it down. Seems to be holding good enough. The plate is locked into position by plastic pegs that are still intact, the wire just ties the plate to the pegs. As always, getting these quartz clocks apart and back together again is the worst part. The bezel is crimped on. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] The white stuff [was: Re: Speaking of garages....]
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:07:52 -0600 Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Iowa, those ain't no stinkin' garages, those are Morton Buildings. One stores tractors and combines in them. Now, HERE's a garage. http://don.homelinux.net/~don/snow/garage1.jpg (Actually, it looks a whole lot like that right now -- the white stuff!) So how much white stuff ya got? The Weather Service is threatening us with the white stuff for the next week, but I really doubt it will amount to anything. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More light in instrument clusters
OK, you shamed me into trying. The wife has been bitching about the Chicken Wagon's dim lights for awhile now... A few dabs of Shoe Goo hold the light pipe covers back on just fine! We'll see what she says after a few nights' driving. To me sitting in it parked outside it seems slightly brighter. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
Were you checking emails today at all? I want to bypass the glow plug relay and hot-wire glow plugs to 12VDC during the winter months so I control the glow time. Switches that will live through 60A currents aren't common, and rarely look good. Better to fix the problem. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.6
looking back, i really believe that that biggest problem with the 190 was that it was a bottom feeder car and was always treated accordingly. a nice late model 2.6 is a good thing, but the next generation C280 is really so much more car. Precisely. My '95 C280 was better in every way including reliability. Certainly the M104 engine is superior to the M103 despite a few minor, very minor, issues. ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
Didn't you go to electronics school? You don't want to do that - you want to use a relay to handle the high current On Dec 7, 2007 11:17 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Were you checking emails today at all? I want to bypass the glow plug relay and hot-wire glow plugs to 12VDC during the winter months so I control the glow time. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:NOAA website
It's back --- http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/enhanced.php?map=3 -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: John.. You still around??
I bumped (literally) into Dubya during his first campaign, in Des Moines. He was there about to give a speech and I was there for a mental health conference. I should'a had Dubya come to me to MY half of the hotel. For those of you who have met me (several), Dubya comes up about to my arm pit. From the looks of Johnny B in that pic, Kucinich could kick his ass! On Dec 7, 2007 11:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John is a short small little dude. Wonko the Sane wrote: Johnny w/ Dubya is like seeing ... well, I don't know, Johnny seemed to be much taller in his posts. :-) D. (tall) -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
Were you checking emails today at all? I want to bypass the glow plug relay and hot-wire glow plugs to 12VDC during the winter months so I control the glow time. On Dec 7, 2007 11:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ohhh, what do you need that for might I ask? I will look and see. You need the know switch assembly? Wonko the Sane wrote: Glow plug pull knob from a 115. On Dec 7, 2007 10:57 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no Wonko the Sane wrote: Kleb: Do you know from my posts today what part I need? (Hint: not W123.) D. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
ohhh, what do you need that for might I ask? I will look and see. You need the know switch assembly? Wonko the Sane wrote: Glow plug pull knob from a 115. On Dec 7, 2007 10:57 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no Wonko the Sane wrote: Kleb: Do you know from my posts today what part I need? (Hint: not W123.) D. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: John.. You still around??
Johnny w/ Dubya is like seeing ... well, I don't know, Johnny seemed to be much taller in his posts. :-) D. (tall) On Dec 7, 2007 10:16 PM, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don, Let's try this. Again. This ain't a political statement... Just Johnny B with a friend of his.. Chuck, -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: John Berryman and GW DR-1699-KS.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 72371 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071207/9bb5fdfa/attachment.jpe -- next part -- On Dec 7, 2007, at 8:30 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: Where's the photo? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Speaking of garages....
Hi all, Here is a pic, if it gets thru, of the garage my daughter and her husband have built in Arvada, CO. No Benz content. They are Chebbie devotees... Needs doors, electricity, and lifts... but got the roof on before the snow Happy Holidays... Chuck -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Dec 5 004.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 684225 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071207/4ebf282d/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: John.. You still around??
Don, Let's try this. Again. This ain't a political statement... Just Johnny B with a friend of his.. Chuck, -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: John Berryman and GW DR-1699-KS.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 72371 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071207/9bb5fdfa/attachment.jpe -- next part -- On Dec 7, 2007, at 8:30 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: Where's the photo? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 'Hard' starts on a cold engine
On Dec 7, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Bill wrote: Not sure. This engine has only been in my possession for about 15k miles. I seem to be getting an consensus of glow plug problems. If you've had the car for 15K miles and not done a valve adjustment, it's due. And that's assuming one had been done just before you acquired it. But, in this case, my first suspect would be the glow plugs, based on the symptoms. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:20:26 -0500 Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb- I could use four 123 steel wheels for one of my 240D's-do you have them? Silly me! Kaleb, I need 123 steel wheels, too. Do you have enough, or do you want to keep your stock rolling? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More light in instrument clusters
Solder a jumper across the rhesotat. Much easier and works great. Gets stuff bright. On 12/6/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:22:14 -0500 Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't gotten around to it, but there are very few things I won't run through the dishwasher! Couldn't hurt on the lense. You are right about those bulbs though! I'm just getting started on instrument panels! For those of you who have really dim W123 lights, you might want to line the light pipe and the bulb compartment with aluminum foil. The pictures attached show the process. The only difficult, fiddly thing is prying off the light pipe covers without breaking anything. It can be done. As someone told me about wheel bearings, you have all day to do it. With these modifications, my W123 instrument cluster lights are more than adequately bright. Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: instrument.cluster.lighting.1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 161907 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071206/2281d279/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: instrument.cluster.lighting.2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 170839 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071206/2281d279/attachment-0001.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: instrument.cluster.lighting.3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 136794 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071206/2281d279/attachment-0002.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
Kleb: Do you know from my posts today what part I need? (Hint: not W123.) D. On 12/7/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Tom. I would have never expected you or anyone else to help out but it would certainly be appreciated. And, if somebody just wants to buy parts, that would also help indirectly. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 7:40 AM Subject: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund I know that Kaleb would never ask for such a thing so I will ask for him. As any of you who have followed the thread know, they are about to inherit three small children and Christmas is around the corner. I'm about to send him a $20.00 Christmas Present and challenge each every one of you to give something to cover the cost of his Wife 3 new kids travel home to cover their added Christmas expenses. Kaleb's PayPal email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
PS-that's the dark tobacco brown. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 9:25 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund I will see what I have. I should have but will have to check. Kaleb Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Kaleb- I could use four 123 steel wheels for one of my 240D's-do you have them? How about four alloys for the 300d 2.5? 15 x 6.5? Brown front door map pockets for a 123? Take care, Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 9:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund Thank you Tom. I would have never expected you or anyone else to help out but it would certainly be appreciated. And, if somebody just wants to buy parts, that would also help indirectly. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 7:40 AM Subject: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund I know that Kaleb would never ask for such a thing so I will ask for him. As any of you who have followed the thread know, they are about to inherit three small children and Christmas is around the corner. I'm about to send him a $20.00 Christmas Present and challenge each every one of you to give something to cover the cost of his Wife 3 new kids travel home to cover their added Christmas expenses. Kaleb's PayPal email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] the RE list Marshall fund raiser
Make that 1500 Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Looks like they have over $1300 to donate to the cancer thing for Marshall -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fwd: John.. You still around??
Hi to the list. Here is the reply from Johnny B. aka John Berryman of FEMA Fame... Still has the same email address of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Still looking for Cheap Charlie Huff and John Huntemann May all your wishes come true... Be safe and healthy, Chuck Phoenix AZ PS... No political comments!!! Chuck, I'm still alive and well. I have been very active doing my work for FEMA, in fact I recently returned home from San Diego where I was deployed to assist in the recovery process of folks affected by the recent fires. I often think about all the folks on the mailing lists. I just don't have the time to be active on the mailing lists. Between FEMA deployments, I keep myself busy performing many unrelated functions as well as assisting in the training of other Disaster Housing Inspectors. It's nice to know that I am remembered and missed. Give my best to all and also my wishes for all to have a wonderful holiday season. Here's a photo that you can pass around if you so desire. It was taken by a Whitehouse photographer on May 9 2007 in Greensburg Ks at the Disaster Recovery Center set up by FEMA. The photo I am sending was sent via e-mail to my supervisor and forwarded to me. I was also sent the original photo, stamped on the back from the Whitehouse, which shows a little more detail of the Secret Service guys in our immediate vicinity.  Thanks for staying in touch, Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 'Hard' starts on a cold engine
Not sure. This engine has only been in my possession for about 15k miles. I seem to be getting an consensus of glow plug problems. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 4:50 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 'Hard' starts on a cold engine Mine did that when it had a bad glow plug or two. Could also be valves, when were they last adjusted? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Recently [for about two months] my otherwise beautifully running '81 300SD has been a bear to start in the morning. I know that is relative and nothing like someone in a cold area might experience, but it is quite a bit different than when it is warm. If I don't hold a bit of pressure on the pedal it will stall,; it 'bucks' and smokes for about 8 seconds, then smoothes out and runs and starts fine until the next morning. I have had the injectors replaced [ a few of them twice] and of course by the time I get to my Indy it is fine. Does this sound like symptoms of needing a valve adjustment? I suppose I need to leave it there overnight and let him see it in the morning. Other suggestions? Thanks all - BillR 1981 300SD 297k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard wiring glow plugs
I've done that to a Nissan Diesel and it worked very well. From memory I wired it into the glow plug controller so I wouldn't need a heavy wire or switch. However my problem was that the controller was not fully cycling and would switch off half way into the glow period. If you are going the direct route use a relay, similar to those used to switch on/off spotlights. Hendrik only two Diesels now and neither use glowplugs Wonko the Sane wrote: About this time of year, my glow plug system gets a mind of its own. Even Marshall was never able to figure it out via theoretical troubleshooting. After the temp gets into the low teens, the glow plug light functions only intermittently. Sometimes it lights up and sometimes it doesn't. I *think* the plugs are working, because last year I had a voltmeter hooked up and I could see the load when the plugs are on. (For those who might be wondering, I've experienced same symptoms on two different glow plug relays.) When the light didn't work yesterday, I pre-glowed for 45 seconds and then cranked until it started. The car had been warmed up on the ride to work but had cooled down some during the four hours of sitting in the parking lot. Here's what I am thinking of doing: hard wire +12VDC to the glow plugs and install a switch so I can manually control the duration of pre-glow (and know that it is indeed getting heat to the plugs). Weren't some of the pre-W123 diesels wired up this way? This would be a winter-only modification, going back to using the glow plug relay during the non-winter months. Anyone done this before? What sort of switch should I use? How heavy of a wire? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] hard wiring glow plugs
Sounds like a possible issue in the dash??? What areas are common and weren't changed with the conversion? Luther On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:19:25 -0600, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, but it did it when I had the loop plugs in and now with the pencil-style plugs in. Maybe if I installed the relay that came with the conversion kit ... hmmm . On Dec 7, 2007 2:23 PM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't this 240 been upgraded to the 5cyl type glow system -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
No, I dont think so --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund Do you have a W126 300sD radiator? Mine isn't leaking yet, but it's been patched around the overflow hose. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
Hey, up here, we are praying for a little global warming. We look forward to some TX temps. Randy in Winterpeg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Thompson Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 4:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils Uhh. High here today was 85... Global warming? :^) Gary Thompson Georgetown, TX 1995 E320 On 12/7/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5F when I got up this morning but a balmy 10F by the time I left for work. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Christmas Fund
Do you have a W126 300sD radiator? Mine isn't leaking yet, but it's been patched around the overflow hose. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
Uhh. High here today was 85... Global warming? :^) Gary Thompson Georgetown, TX 1995 E320 On 12/7/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5F when I got up this morning but a balmy 10F by the time I left for work. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 'Hard' starts on a cold engine
Bill wrote: Recently [for about two months] my otherwise beautifully running '81 300SD has been a bear to start in the morning. I know that is relative and nothing like someone in a cold area might experience, but it is quite a bit different than when it is warm. If I don't hold a bit of pressure on the pedal it will stall,; it 'bucks' and smokes for about 8 seconds, then smoothes out and runs and starts fine until the next morning. I have had the injectors replaced [ a few of them twice] and of course by the time I get to my Indy it is fine. Does this sound like symptoms of needing a valve adjustment? I suppose I need to leave it there overnight and let him see it in the morning. Other suggestions? Have you tested the glowplugs? Sounds like a classic case of bad ones. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 'Hard' starts on a cold engine
If you are sure all of the glow plugs are fine, that is what I would start with. You are not using thick in the cold temps oil are you? Assume the starter is spinning fast enough? On Dec 7, 2007 3:37 PM, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this sound like symptoms of needing a valve adjustment? I suppose I need to leave it there overnight and let him see it in the morning. Other suggestions? Thanks all - BillR 1981 300SD 297k miles Jacksonville FL ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
