Re: [MBZ] Brain picking: Moving switches off lower part of 123 console

2007-12-31 Thread Robert Bigham
The idea of keeping the car until my son takes 
it away from me isn't to preserve it for him
 - he's a hot rodder and drag racer, and is into 
thunder motors - it's that I'm a cheapskate 
on cars - no new one is worth (to me) what 
it costs. I intend to keep it forever and never 
buy another replacement car. I like the Benz. 

If he takes it away from me, it will probably be 
because he's decided I'm a menace on the road
and it's  time for him to step in.  If/when that 
happens, he will probably be correct. 

OTOH, his tastes may change as he gets older. 


 [Original Message]
 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List
mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: 12/30/2007 5:17:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brain picking: Moving switches off lower part of 123
console

 BTDT = Been There, Done That.

 Good to hear that you're thinking ahead and maintaining the car for
 your son. My son is driving the '81 240D that his great grandfather
 bought new. It's been though four generations now. Unfortunately, I
 got it when my father decided that it needed work, and he didn't want
 to mess with it!

 On Dec 30, 2007 4:26 PM, Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 

  Someone asked me if I intended to keep/drive the Benz
  until my son takes it away from me, and I said yes.
  That's how I'm thinking.  I have a head gasket set,
  a starter, and alternator, a radiator, and many small parts
  ratholed.  Fourway switch will fit right in.

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 Norman, OK
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Re: [MBZ] ok mac heads

2007-12-31 Thread Mitch Haley
Redghost wrote:
 
 Radio shack takes them back and somehow they are made to work and
 given to battered women to call 911. 

All cell phones (except for analog and TDMA models, those towers are being
shut down in February) should still work for 911 calls after being deactivated. 
If anybody wants a free Motorola C139 (GSM, works where ATT or T-mobile have
service) or Nokia 2285 (CDMA, works almost everywhere, but it's larger) for
use as a 911 phone, let me know. (or for $20 every 90 days, you could keep
them active via Tracfone)

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 85 280SL

2007-12-31 Thread Mitch Haley
Redghost wrote:
 
 Ahhh, a Jim Cathey project!  Were I able to peel the cash out of the
 account, I would love to drop a om617 in

617 is kinda heavy. Does anybody know if there was ever a turbocharged
OM601 or OM604?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 60x with broken chain and cam

2007-12-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
Well all the glow plugs will be removed anyway so the other cylinders could 
not build compression

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Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 60x with broken chain and cam


 The starter should have enough torque. The compressed air will act as
 springs against pistons on the way back down.

 Grossly bent valves will be easy to see. Slightly bent valves will not
 and bent is bent.

 Thanks, Tom
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Re: [MBZ] 60x with broken chain and cam

2007-12-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
h

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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 60x with broken chain and cam


 Pull all the glow plugs, then check compression? How's it going to get
 air into the cylinders to compress without open intake valves?
 
 On Dec 30, 2007 8:42 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The starter should have enough torque. The compressed air will act as
 springs against pistons on the way back down.

 Grossly bent valves will be easy to see. Slightly bent valves will not
 and bent is bent.

 
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 Norman, OK
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Re: [MBZ] M119 idle control/cruise actuator E420

2007-12-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
I dont see why not.  They were all the same on teh 60x as far as I knew.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] M119 idle control/cruise actuator E420


I don't know the answer, but my guess is that the actuators were
 changed to match changes in the controlling circuitry, or that the
 supplier just had a better idea for producing them at a lower cost and
 substituted the new part in. However, I think those cases are just
 listed as superceded parts in the EPC, not unique parts per engine
 number.
 
 I have a similar question about the vacuum pump on my '90 602 - the
 EPC (and Rusty's catalog) call for a different VP for this year,
 certain engine number range, and it's ~ $150 more than the pumps
 before and after it. Could I use the less expensive pump???
 
 On Dec 30, 2007 8:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Im sure nobody here knows, but thought i would ask anyway.  On the E420,
 the epc says there are 2 different idle control/cruise actuators (sits
 over the throttle).  One up to a certain engine, then one past a certain
 engine (without ASR, there are others with ASR).  What is the difference
 between the 2?  Could one from the earlier series of engines be used on
 the later series?  I cant see what difference there would be.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Here's one for Kleb!

2007-12-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
geez

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Subject: [MBZ] Here's one for Kleb!


 http://cgi.ebay.com/Time-Travel-Theory-Project_W0QQitemZ140192550055QQihZ004QQcategoryZ1310QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 Just think - you could go back in time and buy a NEW
 350SDL.

 Dan


 
 
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Re: [MBZ] tonight's nfl game

2007-12-31 Thread Robert Rentfro
My fine company blocks those (gmail, yahoo mail, etc)
Since my bloodless coup of the training dept will keep me pretty it's just
as well. I'll read the posts when I get home.

Bob R

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] tonight's nfl game

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:47:08 -0700 Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Yup...however the IT guy sent me an email complaining about the volume
 of emails I started to get...so I unsubscribed at work for now. May do
 the digest once my dayshift job starts.

Or you could use an on-line, web-based email service. I think that's how
gmail works, at least.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] ok mac heads

2007-12-31 Thread OK Don
I wonder how many of our discarded cell phones are used to detonate
roadside I.E.D.s in Iraq?

 Might be the good ones are sent
 overseas and refurb or sold as throw away phone


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Re: [MBZ] The death of high fidelity

2007-12-31 Thread Chris Lane
All this talk of clipping tubes and solid state amps makes me think of the
many experiments performed at the music store I worked at a while back.  Of
course we had to try every piece of gear out to make sure that it worked.
Guitars, amps, speakers, whatever.  There are companies making very complex,
very high-end gear.  I always found it amusing when people would come in
looking for a pedal to give them a specific sound.  At the time I was there
Rage Against the Machine was very popular, and a lot of the young kids would
ask what pedal he used to get his distortion.  I had to tell them that he
just turned up a tube amp.  At which point I got the strangest look from all
the 13 year olds wanting to sound like Tim C.  The only way to explain was
to crank up a tube amp, and play the crap out of it.  A lot of what is being
done now is refining what was done in the 60's with tube amps.  Speaker
cabinet design has been using old ideas as well.  There is a company making
transmission line enclosures as bass guitar amps.  They are supposed to be
flat.  I didn't have any way to test that, but they were very good for
certain kinds of rigs, and handled TONS of power.  I had 1600 watts RMS
through a cab rated at 400 RMS.
As for a hybrid designs using tube pre-amps and solid state power, they can
be very good sounding.  It still isn't the same sound as having power amp
tubes to drive to clipping.  But in most situations the only person that
will notice is the person playing through it.  If they even hear it at all.
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Re: [MBZ] 85 280SL

2007-12-31 Thread OK Don
Is the 603 as heavy as the 617?  The 117 in the 450SLs is NOT a light
weight engine! I doubt that any of the automobile OM engines are as
heavy.

  Ahhh, a Jim Cathey project!  Were I able to peel the cash out of the
  account, I would love to drop a om617 in

 617 is kinda heavy. Does anybody know if there was ever a turbocharged
 OM601 or OM604?


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Re: [MBZ] 350SD with new engine

2007-12-31 Thread Allan Streib
Looks decent -- so, what's a 350SD with a new engine worth?

It being eBay, I'd expect it to end up selling for a crazy price, but
just in case...

Allan
-- 
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1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] 60x with broken chain and cam

2007-12-31 Thread OK Don
So, what's the plan now? I thought you had another engine waiting in
the wings for that car, or is this yet another project?
Regardless - just pull the head if you are going to get that engine
running again.

On Dec 31, 2007 8:11 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 h


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Re: [MBZ] 60x with broken chain and cam

2007-12-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
yea, I do have another engine I can use if need be, but would rather keep 
the euro engine intact.

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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 60x with broken chain and cam


 So, what's the plan now? I thought you had another engine waiting in
 the wings for that car, or is this yet another project?
 Regardless - just pull the head if you are going to get that engine
 running again.

 On Dec 31, 2007 8:11 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 h


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 Norman, OK
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Re: [MBZ] 60x with broken chain and cam

2007-12-31 Thread Bob DuPuy
Leak down test. You don't really need the tester for gross results.
Apply compressed air though the glow plug holes, with the valves
closed and the piston at TDC or BDC. Listen at the intake exhaust and
oil fill for escaping air. Bent valves will be obvious. worn rings a
little less so.

Bob
Parrish, FL

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 yea, I do have another engine I can use if need be, but would rather keep
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 - Original Message -
 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 8:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 60x with broken chain and cam


  So, what's the plan now? I thought you had another engine waiting in
  the wings for that car, or is this yet another project?
  Regardless - just pull the head if you are going to get that engine
  running again.
 
  On Dec 31, 2007 8:11 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  h
 
 
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  '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
 

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Re: [MBZ] Part search for a 1980 280E

2007-12-31 Thread Dave H...
Does anyone know where I can get a driver's side front turn signal Euro 
style (yellow)


Dave H...



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Re: [MBZ] Part search for a 1980 280E

2007-12-31 Thread Tom Hargrave
Dave,

FYI, that would be the same part as the Euro 230, 240D, 300D  220D

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Does anyone know where I can get a driver's side front turn signal Euro 
style (yellow)


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Re: [MBZ] The dearth of high fidelity...probably more accurate

2007-12-31 Thread Jeff Zedic
Chris,

My last pair of speakers for my home system were transmission line. VERY
nice tight bass and response was +-.5 20-20khz and down -2 at 16hz.

Awesomeok, and a tad expensive$6,000 a pair. They're discontinued
but the company makes almost nothing but TL speakers. I prefer them.

It's also true when you say that old technologies are getting a new
look...and they work!

Jeff Zedic
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Re: [MBZ] The dearth of high fidelity...probably more accurate

2007-12-31 Thread LWB250
I have built TL enclosures using plans from both EV
and Altec Lansing - if well designed, a TL enclosure
with the proper drivers can do some serious damage to
your eardrums.

The EVs I built way back in my teen years would easily
rattle windows both at my house and the neighbors when
cranked up.  I think I still have the plans in my
filing cabinet...

Dan



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 Chris,
 
 My last pair of speakers for my home system were
 transmission line. VERY
 nice tight bass and response was +-.5 20-20khz and
 down -2 at 16hz.
 
 Awesomeok, and a tad expensive$6,000 a pair.
 They're discontinued
 but the company makes almost nothing but TL
 speakers. I prefer them.
 
 It's also true when you say that old technologies
 are getting a new
 look...and they work!
 
 Jeff Zedic
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Re: [MBZ] The dearth of high fidelity...probably more accurate

2007-12-31 Thread Allan Streib
What is transmission line ?  Sounds like something you'd find at the
top of a utility pole.

In college I built a set of speakers using EV Voice of the Theater
plans.  15 EV drivers (cast frames -- no stamped steel here) horn
loaded in a bass reflex enclosure and horn tweeters.  STAND BACK!!!

Allan

LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I have built TL enclosures using plans from both EV
 and Altec Lansing - if well designed, a TL enclosure
 with the proper drivers can do some serious damage to
 your eardrums.

 The EVs I built way back in my teen years would easily
 rattle windows both at my house and the neighbors when
 cranked up.  I think I still have the plans in my
 filing cabinet...

 Dan



 --- Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Chris,
 
 My last pair of speakers for my home system were
 transmission line. VERY
 nice tight bass and response was +-.5 20-20khz and
 down -2 at 16hz.
 
 Awesomeok, and a tad expensive$6,000 a pair.
 They're discontinued
 but the company makes almost nothing but TL
 speakers. I prefer them.
 
 It's also true when you say that old technologies
 are getting a new
 look...and they work!
 
 Jeff Zedic
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Re: [MBZ] Here's one for Kleb!

2007-12-31 Thread andrew strasfogel
If we all chip in perhaps we can purchase this as a group?

On Dec 31, 2007 9:13 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] ok mac heads

2007-12-31 Thread andrew strasfogel
I was thinking about this yesterday.  Why use suicide bombers if you can
detonate simply by placing a phone call?  Seems too easy...

On Dec 31, 2007 9:44 AM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I wonder how many of our discarded cell phones are used to detonate
 roadside I.E.D.s in Iraq?

  Might be the good ones are sent
  overseas and refurb or sold as throw away phone
 

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Re: [MBZ] Here's one for Kleb!

2007-12-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
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 If we all chip in perhaps we can purchase this as a group?

 On Dec 31, 2007 9:13 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Re: [MBZ] ok mac heads

2007-12-31 Thread Gary Hurst
i think allah wants you to blow yourself up.

On Dec 31, 2007 11:53 AM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was thinking about this yesterday.  Why use suicide bombers if you can
 detonate simply by placing a phone call?  Seems too easy...

 On Dec 31, 2007 9:44 AM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I wonder how many of our discarded cell phones are used to detonate
  roadside I.E.D.s in Iraq?
 
   Might be the good ones are sent
   overseas and refurb or sold as throw away phone
  
 
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Re: [MBZ] ok mac heads

2007-12-31 Thread Allan Streib
They do.  But back to the original topic (sort of) I read today that
the US Army is starting to buy Macs because of the perceived better 
security.

http://www.forbes.com/2007/12/20/apple-army-hackers-tech-security-cx_ag_1221army_print.html

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 I was thinking about this yesterday.  Why use suicide bombers if you
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Re: [MBZ] ok mac heads

2007-12-31 Thread andrew strasfogel
You'd think that sooner or later they would run our of eager- beaver
volunteers, in particular those that appear on the surface to be sane and
have at least one college degree.

Maybe these guys will spring for the Time Machine!

On Dec 31, 2007 12:00 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 They do.  But back to the original topic (sort of) I read today that
 the US Army is starting to buy Macs because of the perceived better
 security.


 http://www.forbes.com/2007/12/20/apple-army-hackers-tech-security-cx_ag_1221army_print.html

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 andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I was thinking about this yesterday.  Why use suicide bombers if you
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Re: [MBZ] The dearth of high fidelity...probably more accurate

2007-12-31 Thread Mitch Haley


LWB250 wrote:
 
 I have built TL enclosures using plans from both EV
 and Altec Lansing - if well designed, a TL enclosure
 with the proper drivers can do some serious damage to
 your eardrums.

I'm pretty happy with the old DCM KX10 and KX12 speakers. Too
bad you can't just swing by Circuit City and pick up something
that effective and affordable today. Best thing I ever heard
under $500. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] The dearth of high fidelity...probably more accurate

2007-12-31 Thread LWB250
The nice thing about building your own cabinets was
that the money you saved could be put towards really
good drivers.  I was lucky, as we had a nice
woodworking shop at the house, so building something
like this was pretty elementary.

Dan


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 under $500. 
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[MBZ] '87 300TD

2007-12-31 Thread Curt Raymond
http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/car/524215637.html

Seems too cheap

-Curt

   
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD

2007-12-31 Thread Peter T . Arnold
Rust Belt


--

Regards,

Peter T. Arnold

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1987 300SDL  286 KMI  Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio
1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that
is!On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:32:07 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/car/524215637.html

Seems too cheap

-Curt

   
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD

2007-12-31 Thread Frederick W Moir
At 12:32 PM 12/31/2007, you wrote:
http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/car/524215637.html

Seems too cheap

-Curt

Curt et al..
I thought so too. Though it would be nice to have a good one.
Fred Moir
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87 190DT Bent 


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Re: [MBZ] The dearth of high fidelity...probably more accurate

2007-12-31 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:36:39 -0500, Allan wrote:

 What is transmission line ?  Sounds like something you'd
 find at the top of a utility pole.

A speaker standing all by itself (no cabinet) is call free air.
This situation is not very efficient because when the cone moves
forward, air leaks around to the backside and not much
pressure is built up to make noise.

So, practically all speakers are mounted in some sort of
cabinet, sometimes called a baffle, to prevent this leaking air.
There are numerous ways to try to make this cabinet interact
with the speaker itself. Some of these are infinite
baffle, horn loaded, acoustic suspension, bass reflex, passive
radiator, and transmission line.

More info at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_transmission_lines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudspeaker_enclosure

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] The dearth of high fidelity...probably more accurate

2007-12-31 Thread Jim Cathey
 I'm pretty happy with the old DCM KX10 and KX12 speakers.

I have DCM Time Frames.  Bought new, serial number 510 (or
thereabouts).  IIRC they were around $500 at the time.
Recently picked up a pair of unmarked DCM bookshelf
speakers at Goodwill for $20.  Not sure what I'll use
them for.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] O.T. '08 Z4 Raffle on My Birfday

2007-12-31 Thread Robert Rentfro
One of the local school districts is hold a raffle for an '08 Z4 to be drawn
on my birthday. Seems like an omen..

 

http://www.winthebmw.com/

 

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD

2007-12-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
Im looking into it myself, although it is quite a bit ways away.  Would help 
with the kid situation

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- Original Message - 
From: Ralph W. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD


 Someone is obligated to check it out. Even a beaten wagon as a backup
 vehicle can be very handy. Quite a bit of room when the seats are folded
 down. This is my favorite diesel. Much nicer than the 2.5 turbo.

 Ralph Wasserbaech
 2001 E320 AWD wagon
 1990 300D
 1987 300TD
 1983 300CD


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Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD

2007-12-31 Thread Robert Rentfro
I bet when this CL-er says 300TD he means 300 turbo diesel not a wagon.
I've seen that many times. 

I think having a backup car is almost vital when you have vintage rides like
we do. I remembered how important I thought that was this morning when my
300D almost didn't start an the wifey has the Acura at work and I have to
take girl child to the airport then go make electricity all night long.

Bob R.
Looking for a backup...preferably a 220D 

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On Behalf Of Ralph W.
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 11:16 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD

Someone is obligated to check it out. Even a beaten wagon as a backup 
vehicle can be very handy. Quite a bit of room when the seats are folded 
down. This is my favorite diesel. Much nicer than the 2.5 turbo.

Ralph Wasserbaech
2001 E320 AWD wagon
1990 300D
1987 300TD
1983 300CD
- Original Message - 
From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD


 At 12:32 PM 12/31/2007, you wrote:
http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/car/524215637.html

Seems too cheap

-Curt

 Curt et al..
 I thought so too. Though it would be nice to have a good one.
 Fred Moir
 Lynn MA
 85 300TD
 87 190DT Bent


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Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD

2007-12-31 Thread Robert Rentfro
Is it really a wagon?

Bob R.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD

Im looking into it myself, although it is quite a bit ways away.  Would help

with the kid situation

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- Original Message - 
From: Ralph W. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD


 Someone is obligated to check it out. Even a beaten wagon as a backup
 vehicle can be very handy. Quite a bit of room when the seats are folded
 down. This is my favorite diesel. Much nicer than the 2.5 turbo.

 Ralph Wasserbaech
 2001 E320 AWD wagon
 1990 300D
 1987 300TD
 1983 300CD


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Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD

2007-12-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
who knows, I emailed the guy so we will see

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- Original Message - 
From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD


 Is it really a wagon?

 Bob R.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work
 Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 11:24 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD

 Im looking into it myself, although it is quite a bit ways away.  Would 
 help

 with the kid situation

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 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor

 - Original Message - 
 From: Ralph W. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD


 Someone is obligated to check it out. Even a beaten wagon as a backup
 vehicle can be very handy. Quite a bit of room when the seats are folded
 down. This is my favorite diesel. Much nicer than the 2.5 turbo.

 Ralph Wasserbaech
 2001 E320 AWD wagon
 1990 300D
 1987 300TD
 1983 300CD


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[MBZ] PHX CL '84 300D

2007-12-31 Thread Robert Rentfro
http://tucson.craigslist.org/car/519143855.html

 

Should I be excited? 

 

Bob R.

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD

2007-12-31 Thread Ralph W.
Someone is obligated to check it out. Even a beaten wagon as a backup 
vehicle can be very handy. Quite a bit of room when the seats are folded 
down. This is my favorite diesel. Much nicer than the 2.5 turbo.

Ralph Wasserbaech
2001 E320 AWD wagon
1990 300D
1987 300TD
1983 300CD
- Original Message - 
From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD


 At 12:32 PM 12/31/2007, you wrote:
http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/car/524215637.html

Seems too cheap

-Curt

 Curt et al..
 I thought so too. Though it would be nice to have a good one.
 Fred Moir
 Lynn MA
 85 300TD
 87 190DT Bent


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Re: [MBZ] bet none of you would be able to guess

2007-12-31 Thread Donald Snook
Archer wrote: 

 

I wonder if there are any regular Mensa members on the list? 

 

I joined in 1983.  I have been a member since. I have only gone to
events since then. 

 

It is like many other things. I was pretty smart on the day I took the
test.  But, I am an idiot when it comes to some things and fairly
capable when it comes to others. 

 

Donald H. Snook

 

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Re: [MBZ] PHX CL '84 300D

2007-12-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
maybe

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From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:43 PM
Subject: [MBZ] PHX CL '84 300D


 http://tucson.craigslist.org/car/519143855.html
 
 
 
 Should I be excited? 
 
 
 
 Bob R.
 
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Re: [MBZ] PHX CL '84 300D

2007-12-31 Thread John Robbins
Robert Rentfro wrote:
 http://tucson.craigslist.org/car/519143855.html
 
 Should I be excited? 

I would be.  If they are anal enough to keep it R12 it has probably been 
well taken care of.

My $.02

John

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Re: [MBZ] PHX CL '84 300D

2007-12-31 Thread Dave H...
I would certainly go take a look, and finagle if it were closer.  


Dave H...

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] PHX CL '84 300D

 Robert Rentfro wrote:
 http://tucson.craigslist.org/car/519143855.html
 
 Should I be excited? 
 
 I would be.  If they are anal enough to keep it R12 it has probably been 
 well taken care of.
 
 My $.02
 
 John
 
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Re: [MBZ] PHX CL '84 300D

2007-12-31 Thread Allan Streib
Odd coincidence that he wants to sell just after having the head
rebuilt?  Maybe the job was botched?  That's the only thing that I'd
be sure to check.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Robert Rentfro wrote:
 http://tucson.craigslist.org/car/519143855.html
 
 Should I be excited? 

 I would be.  If they are anal enough to keep it R12 it has probably been 
 well taken care of.

 My $.02

 John


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Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD

2007-12-31 Thread andrew strasfogel
How will it help with the kids situation, Kaleb?

On Dec 31, 2007 1:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 who knows, I emailed the guy so we will see

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 From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD


  Is it really a wagon?
 
  Bob R.
 
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  Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD
 
  Im looking into it myself, although it is quite a bit ways away.  Would
  help
 
  with the kid situation
 
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  - Original Message -
  From: Ralph W. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD
 
 
  Someone is obligated to check it out. Even a beaten wagon as a backup
  vehicle can be very handy. Quite a bit of room when the seats are
 folded
  down. This is my favorite diesel. Much nicer than the 2.5 turbo.
 
  Ralph Wasserbaech
  2001 E320 AWD wagon
  1990 300D
  1987 300TD
  1983 300CD
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD

2007-12-31 Thread Zeitgeist
Fold down the seats and you can sleep maybe three or four kids in there at
night--instant mobile home

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 How will it help with the kids situation, Kaleb?


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Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD

2007-12-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
Because I currently do not have a vehicle that will seat the entire family

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD


 How will it help with the kids situation, Kaleb?
 


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Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD

2007-12-31 Thread andrew strasfogel
D'OH!  I thought it was because of the Maine connection.

On Dec 31, 2007 3:14 PM, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Fold down the seats and you can sleep maybe three or four kids in there at
 night--instant mobile home

 On Dec 31, 2007 12:11 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  How will it help with the kids situation, Kaleb?
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] The dearth of high fidelity...probably more accurate

2007-12-31 Thread Mitch Haley
Jim Cathey wrote:
 
  I'm pretty happy with the old DCM KX10 and KX12 speakers.
 
 I have DCM Time Frames.  Bought new, serial number 510 (or
 thereabouts).  IIRC they were around $500 at the time.
 Recently picked up a pair of unmarked DCM bookshelf
 speakers at Goodwill for $20. 

I was reading some Time Window reviews and somebody said that he found a pair
of TWs in the dumpster!!! Best speakers he ever had. (if all the drivers
and crossover elements were good, TWs would be the best I ever had too)
If I could find a functional set of Time Window Sevens for a couple hundred
I'd be very happy.

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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

2007-12-31 Thread Dave H...
My final word on the 93 300E!  And I'm stickin' to it!

I have attempted every concoction imaginable to loosen up the rusted 
connections mounting bracket screws for this vehicles fuel filter system.

Today I tried a brand called Koni, I think ???  It loosened more than 
anything else has but still a no go.

Yep, I admit it.  I am dumber than a New England Rust Spot.


Dave H...



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Re: [MBZ] The dearth of high fidelity...probably more accurate

2007-12-31 Thread LWB250
They are also sometimes referred to as folded horn
enclosures.  I believe this was the term used by EV
and others.

Dan


--- Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It seems than at Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:36:39 -0500,
 Allan wrote:
 
  What is transmission line ?  Sounds like
 something you'd
  find at the top of a utility pole.
 
 A speaker standing all by itself (no cabinet) is
 call free air.
 This situation is not very efficient because when
 the cone moves
 forward, air leaks around to the backside and not
 much
 pressure is built up to make noise.
 
 So, practically all speakers are mounted in some
 sort of
 cabinet, sometimes called a baffle, to prevent this
 leaking air.
 There are numerous ways to try to make this cabinet
 interact
 with the speaker itself. Some of these are infinite
 baffle, horn loaded, acoustic suspension, bass
 reflex, passive
 radiator, and transmission line.
 
 More info at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_transmission_lines
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudspeaker_enclosure
 
 --   Philip
 
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD

2007-12-31 Thread LWB250
In order to maintain the MB connection and still be
efficient, you should do what one of the megafamilies
in my neighborhood did a few years ago - get one of
those Freightliner vans and convert it into a bus.

I see you can buy them set up this way now, but when
they got theirs was before that - they had a local
body shop do the conversion for them.

MacDan



--- Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Because I currently do not have a vehicle that will
 seat the entire family
 
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 Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD
 
 
  How will it help with the kids situation, Kaleb?
  
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] The dearth of high fidelity...probably more accurate

2007-12-31 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:28:16 -0800 (PST) LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 They are also sometimes referred to as folded horn
 enclosures.  I believe this was the term used by EV
 and others.
 Dan

Where does the Klipsch horn fit into all of these?


Craig

 --- Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  It seems than at Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:36:39 -0500,
  Allan wrote:
  
   What is transmission line ?  Sounds like
  something you'd
   find at the top of a utility pole.
  
  A speaker standing all by itself (no cabinet) is
  call free air.
  This situation is not very efficient because when
  the cone moves
  forward, air leaks around to the backside and not
  much
  pressure is built up to make noise.
  
  So, practically all speakers are mounted in some
  sort of
  cabinet, sometimes called a baffle, to prevent this
  leaking air.
  There are numerous ways to try to make this cabinet
  interact
  with the speaker itself. Some of these are infinite
  baffle, horn loaded, acoustic suspension, bass
  reflex, passive
  radiator, and transmission line.
  
  More info at:
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_transmission_lines
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudspeaker_enclosure
  
  --   Philip
  
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Re: [MBZ] Thanks to Dr. Booth!...

2007-12-31 Thread Dave H...
TY Philip

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thanks to Dr. Booth!...

 It seems than at Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:53:47 -0500, Dave wrote:
 
  80 AMP glow Plug relay ?  Where is this monster?
 
 On a 84 300DT?
 
 On the front side of the inner fender on the drivers side. Kinda
 straight back from the headlight.
 
 It is about 2 inches (50 mm) wide by 6 inches (150 mm) long. The
 top is a cover. Lift it off and the fuse is at the top, or rear,
 end.
 
 --  Philip
 
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Re: [MBZ] The dearth of high fidelity...probably more accurate

2007-12-31 Thread Fmiser
   What is transmission line ?  Sounds like
   something you'd
   find at the top of a utility pole.
   Allen

  There are numerous ways to try to make this cabinet
  interact
  with the speaker itself. Some of these are infinite
  baffle, horn loaded, acoustic suspension, bass
  reflex, passive
  radiator, and transmission line.
  
  More info at:
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_transmission_lines
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudspeaker_enclosure
  
  --   Philip

 They are also sometimes referred to as folded horn
 enclosures.  I believe this was the term used by EV
 and others.
 
 Dan

That's not the same. Similar, but with a folded horn the horn is
on the front side of the driver, while the transmission line is
the backside loading. Also, with an front horn the shape of that
horn is quite important. If I understand correctly, the shape of
the tuned tunnel in a transmission line is not very important.

Both use a long column of air to do their job

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD

2007-12-31 Thread R A Bennell
Ever watch the tv show John and Kate Plus 8 (I think I got the name right - not 
really sure about John)?

A couple who had twins and then sextuplets. They have a big Ford Diesel van if 
I recall.

Randy

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Because I currently do not have a vehicle that will seat the entire family

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD


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Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD

2007-12-31 Thread Zeitgeist
My Vanagon could easily handle 7 people, without requiring 2 of them to sit
in the way back and stare at the fools behind you...though, two of them
would have to stare at the three sitting in the back seat.

On Dec 31, 2007 12:54 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ever watch the tv show John and Kate Plus 8 (I think I got the name right
 - not really sure about John)?

 A couple who had twins and then sextuplets. They have a big Ford Diesel
 van if I recall.

 Randy

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 Because I currently do not have a vehicle that will seat the entire family

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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD


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[MBZ] OT SR225 (You Gotta Be Kidding ME)

2007-12-31 Thread Frederick W Moir
Treasures in the junk pile?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Seagate-ST225-20MB-MFM-Hard-Drive_W0QQitemZ140193434004QQihZ004QQcategoryZ39973QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Fred Moir
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[MBZ] 2.5 turbo

2007-12-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Been driving the 140 diesel for a while.  Had the center console apart 
on the 92 300D fixing the cig lighter, was not working.  Discoverd it 
was not hooked up.  Anyway, put car back together and drove it today to 
work.  It needed to be filled up so I filled it up and got 29.8 mpg. 
WOW.  The 2.5 turbo is the perfect balance of economy, performance, and 
luxury.  The 140 diesel is the ultimate luxury but gives up some 
performance and economy.

On another note, there is a crappy alpine cassette installed in this 
car.  This has the factory 2 piece system with the amp etc.  Well all 
the equipment is installed in the trunk but when hooking up this 
aftermarket radio, there is nothing plugged into the amp in the trunk. 
Looks like the round plug that goes from the head unit to the trunk unit 
is still there under the dash, as is the power (I think) plug.  The 
fader switch has been bypassed I guess.  Also the antenna wire is up 
front to hook to the radio.  In the factory configuration it goes to the 
trunk unit.  So in order to get this thing back to stock, looks like Im 
going to somehow have to get all the wires back to the trunk area for 
the speakers and the antenna.  I guess when they hooked it up they 
removed the plug on the amp in the trunk and routed everything up front 
some how.  Originally there are speaker connections on the trunk unit. 
Do these go from there to the amp, then from the amp to the fader switch 
and then on to the speakers?  All I know is since it doesnt run thru the 
amp now the sound is very bad, not like it should be with the proper 
configuration.  I hate it when people butcher up the wiring for the 
factory radio, especially the 2 piece radios.  Very hard to get it back 
to original.
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Re: [MBZ] OT ST225 (You Gotta Be Kidding ME)

2007-12-31 Thread Mitch Haley


Frederick W Moir wrote:
 
 Treasures in the junk pile?

Wow. I'll sell you a ST251-1 for $1000 and throw in a ST225 and a hard
drive controller for free!

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT SR225 (You Gotta Be Kidding ME)

2007-12-31 Thread Wonko the Sane
I probably have several of those era drives on my workbench. Maybe I should
list them and undercut his starting bid by $20.   :-)

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[MBZ] Stella Awards

2007-12-31 Thread archer
It's time again for the annual Stella Awards!  For those
unfamiliar with these awards, they are named after 81-year-old Stella
Liebeck who spilled hot coffee on herself and successfully sued the
McDonald's in New Mexico where she purchased the coffee.  You remember,
she took the lid off the coffee and put it between her knees while she
was driving.  Who would ever think one could get burned doing that,
right?

These are awards for the most outlandish lawsuits and
verdicts in the U.S.

Here are the Stella's for the past year:

7TH PLACE:

Kathleen Robertson of Austin , Texas was awarded $80,000 by a jury
of her peers after breaking her ankle tripping over a toddler who was
running inside a furniture store.  The store owners were understandably
surprised by the verdict, considering the running toddler was her own
son.

6TH PLACE :

Carl Truman, 19, of Los Angeles , California won $74,000 plus
medical expenses when his neighbor ran over his hand with a Honda Accord.
Truman apparently didn't notice there was someone at the wheel of the
car when he was trying to steal his neighbor's hubcaps.

5TH PLACE:

Terrence Dickson, of Bristol , Pennsylvania , was leaving a house he
had just burglarized by way of the garage.  Unfortunately for Dickson,
the automatic garage door opener malfunctioned and he could not get the
garage door to open.  Worse, he couldn't re-enter the house because the
door connecting the garage to the house locked when Dickson pulled it
shut.  Forced to sit for eight, count 'em, EIGHT, days on a case of
Pepsi and a large bag of dry dog food, he sued the homeowner's
insurance company claiming undue mental Anguish.  Amazingly, the jury said 
the
insurance company must pay Dickson $500,000 for his anguish.  We should
all have this kind of anguish.

4TH PLACE:

Jerry Williams, of Little Rock , Arkansas , garnered 4th Place in the
Stella's when he was awarded $14,500 plus medical expenses after being
bitten on the butt by his next door neighbor's beagle - even though the
beagle was on a chain in its owner's fenced yard. Williams did not get
as much as he asked for because the jury believed the beagle might have
been provoked at the time of the butt bite because Williams had climbed
over the fence into the yard and repeatedly shot the dog with a pellet
gun.

3RD PLACE:

Third place goes to Amber Carson of Lancaster , Pennsylvania because
a jury ordered a Philadelphia restaurant to pay her $113,500 after she
slipped on a spilled soft drink and broke her tailbone.  The reason the
soft drink was on the floor: Ms. Carson had thrown it at her boyfriend
30 seconds earlier during an argument.  What ever happened to people
being responsible for their own actions?

2ND PLACE:

Kara Walton, of Claymont , Delaware sued the owner of a night club
in a nearby city because she fell from the bathroom window to the floor,
knocking out her two front teeth. Even though Ms. Walton was trying to
sneak through the ladies room window to avoid paying the $3.50 cover
charge, the jury said the night club had to pay her $12,000oh,
yeah, plus dental expenses.  Go figure.

1ST PLACE:

This year's runaway First Place Stella Award winner was Mrs.. Merv 
Grazinski, of Oklahoma City ,Oklahoma , who purchased a new 32-foot 
Winnebago motor home.  On her first trip home from an OU football game, 
having driven onto the freeway, she set the cruise control at 70 mph and 
calmly left the driver's seat to go to the back of the Winnebago to make 
herself a sandwich.   Not surprisingly, the motor home left the freeway, 
crashed and overturned.  Also not surprisingly, Mrs. Grazinski sued
Winnebago for not putting in the owner's manual that she couldn't
actually leave the driver's seat while the cruise control was set.  The
Oklahoma jury awarded her, are you sitting down, $1,750,000 PLUS a new motor 
home.  Winnebago actually changed their manuals as a result of this suit, 
just in case Mrs. Grazinski has any relatives who might also buy a motor 
home.
-
With that I wish you all a Happy, Successful, and Prosperous New Year
Gerry



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[MBZ] It's always something with a car

2007-12-31 Thread Timothy Robinson

 
Friend of mine wants to buy a new car, and has her eye on one, but something
about it just makes her nervous.  She's asked for my advice.
 







 





 




 


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Re: [MBZ] Smart

2007-12-31 Thread RELNGSON
It is like many other things. I was pretty smart on the day I took the
test.  But, I am an idiot when it comes to some things and fairly
capable when it comes to others.

The key to looking smart is keeping your mouth shut when a subject comes up 
about which you have no useful knowledge. 

I shall say no more. 

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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

2007-12-31 Thread Rick Knoble
 Today I tried a brand called Koni, I think ???  It loosened more than 
 anything else has but still a no go.
 

Kroil perhaps. AeroKroil is REALLY good stuff.

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Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards

2007-12-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Man that kind of stuff makes me mad.  While Im sure crazy stuff like 
this goes on, these are false

http://www.snopes.com/legal/lawsuits.asp

archer wrote:
 It's time again for the annual Stella Awards!  For those
 unfamiliar with these awards, they are named after 81-year-old Stella
 Liebeck who spilled hot coffee on herself and successfully sued the
 McDonald's in New Mexico where she purchased the coffee.  You remember,
 she took the lid off the coffee and put it between her knees while she
 was driving.  Who would ever think one could get burned doing that,
 right?
 
 These are awards for the most outlandish lawsuits and
 verdicts in the U.S.
 
 Here are the Stella's for the past year:
 
 7TH PLACE:
 
 Kathleen Robertson of Austin , Texas was awarded $80,000 by a jury
 of her peers after breaking her ankle tripping over a toddler who was
 running inside a furniture store.  The store owners were understandably
 surprised by the verdict, considering the running toddler was her own
 son.
 
 6TH PLACE :
 
 Carl Truman, 19, of Los Angeles , California won $74,000 plus
 medical expenses when his neighbor ran over his hand with a Honda Accord.
 Truman apparently didn't notice there was someone at the wheel of the
 car when he was trying to steal his neighbor's hubcaps.
 
 5TH PLACE:
 
 Terrence Dickson, of Bristol , Pennsylvania , was leaving a house he
 had just burglarized by way of the garage.  Unfortunately for Dickson,
 the automatic garage door opener malfunctioned and he could not get the
 garage door to open.  Worse, he couldn't re-enter the house because the
 door connecting the garage to the house locked when Dickson pulled it
 shut.  Forced to sit for eight, count 'em, EIGHT, days on a case of
 Pepsi and a large bag of dry dog food, he sued the homeowner's
 insurance company claiming undue mental Anguish.  Amazingly, the jury said 
 the
 insurance company must pay Dickson $500,000 for his anguish.  We should
 all have this kind of anguish.
 
 4TH PLACE:
 
 Jerry Williams, of Little Rock , Arkansas , garnered 4th Place in the
 Stella's when he was awarded $14,500 plus medical expenses after being
 bitten on the butt by his next door neighbor's beagle - even though the
 beagle was on a chain in its owner's fenced yard. Williams did not get
 as much as he asked for because the jury believed the beagle might have
 been provoked at the time of the butt bite because Williams had climbed
 over the fence into the yard and repeatedly shot the dog with a pellet
 gun.
 
 3RD PLACE:
 
 Third place goes to Amber Carson of Lancaster , Pennsylvania because
 a jury ordered a Philadelphia restaurant to pay her $113,500 after she
 slipped on a spilled soft drink and broke her tailbone.  The reason the
 soft drink was on the floor: Ms. Carson had thrown it at her boyfriend
 30 seconds earlier during an argument.  What ever happened to people
 being responsible for their own actions?
 
 2ND PLACE:
 
 Kara Walton, of Claymont , Delaware sued the owner of a night club
 in a nearby city because she fell from the bathroom window to the floor,
 knocking out her two front teeth. Even though Ms. Walton was trying to
 sneak through the ladies room window to avoid paying the $3.50 cover
 charge, the jury said the night club had to pay her $12,000oh,
 yeah, plus dental expenses.  Go figure.
 
 1ST PLACE:
 
 This year's runaway First Place Stella Award winner was Mrs.. Merv 
 Grazinski, of Oklahoma City ,Oklahoma , who purchased a new 32-foot 
 Winnebago motor home.  On her first trip home from an OU football game, 
 having driven onto the freeway, she set the cruise control at 70 mph and 
 calmly left the driver's seat to go to the back of the Winnebago to make 
 herself a sandwich.   Not surprisingly, the motor home left the freeway, 
 crashed and overturned.  Also not surprisingly, Mrs. Grazinski sued
 Winnebago for not putting in the owner's manual that she couldn't
 actually leave the driver's seat while the cruise control was set.  The
 Oklahoma jury awarded her, are you sitting down, $1,750,000 PLUS a new motor 
 home.  Winnebago actually changed their manuals as a result of this suit, 
 just in case Mrs. Grazinski has any relatives who might also buy a motor 
 home.
 -
 With that I wish you all a Happy, Successful, and Prosperous New Year
 Gerry
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards

2007-12-31 Thread Bill
I have always looked at the McDonald's hot coffee suit that way also, until
I ran into someone who actually read the particulars of the case.  The
coffee, which McDonalds stated was too hot to be safe, burned through her
skin and caused multiple surgeries and some permanent damage.  Unsafe for
anyone at that temperature, and given the environment at McDonalds I suppose
we should be glad it wasn't a kid grabbing a parent's arm and losing much of
the skin on their face.  I am by no means up on the particulars of the case,
but I am told it is not the case it is usually presented to be.  At any
rate, I have stopped using it as an example until I know a bit more about
it.
BillR


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On Behalf Of archer
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 11:31 AM
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Subject: [MBZ] Stella Awards

It's time again for the annual Stella Awards!  For those
unfamiliar with these awards, they are named after 81-year-old Stella
Liebeck who spilled hot coffee on herself and successfully sued the
McDonald's in New Mexico where she purchased the coffee.  You remember,
she took the lid off the coffee and put it between her knees while she
was driving.  Who would ever think one could get burned doing that,
right?

These are awards for the most outlandish lawsuits and
verdicts in the U.S.

Here are the Stella's for the past year:

7TH PLACE:

Kathleen Robertson of Austin , Texas was awarded $80,000 by a jury
of her peers after breaking her ankle tripping over a toddler who was
running inside a furniture store.  The store owners were understandably
surprised by the verdict, considering the running toddler was her own
son.

6TH PLACE :

Carl Truman, 19, of Los Angeles , California won $74,000 plus
medical expenses when his neighbor ran over his hand with a Honda Accord.
Truman apparently didn't notice there was someone at the wheel of the
car when he was trying to steal his neighbor's hubcaps.

5TH PLACE:

Terrence Dickson, of Bristol , Pennsylvania , was leaving a house he
had just burglarized by way of the garage.  Unfortunately for Dickson,
the automatic garage door opener malfunctioned and he could not get the
garage door to open.  Worse, he couldn't re-enter the house because the
door connecting the garage to the house locked when Dickson pulled it
shut.  Forced to sit for eight, count 'em, EIGHT, days on a case of
Pepsi and a large bag of dry dog food, he sued the homeowner's
insurance company claiming undue mental Anguish.  Amazingly, the jury said 
the
insurance company must pay Dickson $500,000 for his anguish.  We should
all have this kind of anguish.

4TH PLACE:

Jerry Williams, of Little Rock , Arkansas , garnered 4th Place in the
Stella's when he was awarded $14,500 plus medical expenses after being
bitten on the butt by his next door neighbor's beagle - even though the
beagle was on a chain in its owner's fenced yard. Williams did not get
as much as he asked for because the jury believed the beagle might have
been provoked at the time of the butt bite because Williams had climbed
over the fence into the yard and repeatedly shot the dog with a pellet
gun.

3RD PLACE:

Third place goes to Amber Carson of Lancaster , Pennsylvania because
a jury ordered a Philadelphia restaurant to pay her $113,500 after she
slipped on a spilled soft drink and broke her tailbone.  The reason the
soft drink was on the floor: Ms. Carson had thrown it at her boyfriend
30 seconds earlier during an argument.  What ever happened to people
being responsible for their own actions?

2ND PLACE:

Kara Walton, of Claymont , Delaware sued the owner of a night club
in a nearby city because she fell from the bathroom window to the floor,
knocking out her two front teeth. Even though Ms. Walton was trying to
sneak through the ladies room window to avoid paying the $3.50 cover
charge, the jury said the night club had to pay her $12,000oh,
yeah, plus dental expenses.  Go figure.

1ST PLACE:

This year's runaway First Place Stella Award winner was Mrs.. Merv 
Grazinski, of Oklahoma City ,Oklahoma , who purchased a new 32-foot 
Winnebago motor home.  On her first trip home from an OU football game, 
having driven onto the freeway, she set the cruise control at 70 mph and 
calmly left the driver's seat to go to the back of the Winnebago to make 
herself a sandwich.   Not surprisingly, the motor home left the freeway, 
crashed and overturned.  Also not surprisingly, Mrs. Grazinski sued
Winnebago for not putting in the owner's manual that she couldn't
actually leave the driver's seat while the cruise control was set.  The
Oklahoma jury awarded her, are you sitting down, $1,750,000 PLUS a new motor

home.  Winnebago actually changed their manuals as a result of this suit, 
just in case Mrs. Grazinski has any relatives who might also buy a motor 
home.
-
With that I wish you all a Happy, Successful, and Prosperous New Year
Gerry


[MBZ] gee, wonder why the tabs are broken?

2007-12-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
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Re: [MBZ] The dearth of high fidelity...probably more accurate

2007-12-31 Thread Jeff Zedic
There are many different horn throat types. There's your typical exponential
horn, which is what you'd see in EV and then there's a tractix. The tractix
is more of a square throat as opposed to regular. Think of the difference
between a 4:3 tv for Tractix and a 16:9 for exponential. There are other
horn throat calculations but those are the two I'm most familiar with.
Different shapes have different sound characteristics.

A Klipschorn is a folded horn in the bass  module. The last section of the
bass horn throat is meant to be an eight foot section of uninterrupted wall
to get the full range. The mid horn section is exponential with the high end
tweeter placed above it. If the bass wasn't folded it would have to be a 32
foot horn!

I recently read an article about an Italian guy building his ultimate
subwoofers. Here's the link:

http://www.royaldevice.com/custom.htm#THE%20REAL%20TOTAL%20HORN

And the wife thinks I'M mad about sound!!


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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

2007-12-31 Thread Dave H...
Your right is is AeroKroil   

Time for the professionals


Dave H...

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 Today I tried a brand called Koni, I think ???  It loosened more than 
 anything else has but still a no go.
 
 
 Kroil perhaps. AeroKroil is REALLY good stuff.
 
 Rick Knoble 
 '85 300 CD
 '87 190 DT
 
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Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards

2007-12-31 Thread Chuck Landenberger
Kaleb,

Thanks for doing the research..
Happy New Year to your new family.

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
On Dec 31, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

 Man that kind of stuff makes me mad.  While Im sure crazy stuff like
 this goes on, these are false

 http://www.snopes.com/legal/lawsuits.asp

 archer wrote:
 It's time again for the annual Stella Awards!  For those
 unfamiliar with these awards, they are named after 81-year-old Stella
 Liebeck who spilled hot coffee on herself and successfully sued the
 McDonald's in New Mexico where she purchased the coffee.  You  
 remember,
 she took the lid off the coffee and put it between her knees while  
 she
 was driving.  Who would ever think one could get burned doing that,
 right?

 These are awards for the most outlandish lawsuits and
 verdicts in the U.S.

 Here are the Stella's for the past year:

 7TH PLACE:

 Kathleen Robertson of Austin , Texas was awarded $80,000 by a jury
 of her peers after breaking her ankle tripping over a toddler who was
 running inside a furniture store.  The store owners were  
 understandably
 surprised by the verdict, considering the running toddler was her own
 son.

 6TH PLACE :

 Carl Truman, 19, of Los Angeles , California won $74,000 plus
 medical expenses when his neighbor ran over his hand with a Honda  
 Accord.
 Truman apparently didn't notice there was someone at the wheel of the
 car when he was trying to steal his neighbor's hubcaps.

 5TH PLACE:

 Terrence Dickson, of Bristol , Pennsylvania , was leaving a house he
 had just burglarized by way of the garage.  Unfortunately for  
 Dickson,
 the automatic garage door opener malfunctioned and he could not  
 get the
 garage door to open.  Worse, he couldn't re-enter the house  
 because the
 door connecting the garage to the house locked when Dickson pulled it
 shut.  Forced to sit for eight, count 'em, EIGHT, days on a case of
 Pepsi and a large bag of dry dog food, he sued the homeowner's
 insurance company claiming undue mental Anguish.  Amazingly, the  
 jury said
 the
 insurance company must pay Dickson $500,000 for his anguish.  We  
 should
 all have this kind of anguish.

 4TH PLACE:

 Jerry Williams, of Little Rock , Arkansas , garnered 4th Place in the
 Stella's when he was awarded $14,500 plus medical expenses after  
 being
 bitten on the butt by his next door neighbor's beagle - even  
 though the
 beagle was on a chain in its owner's fenced yard. Williams did not  
 get
 as much as he asked for because the jury believed the beagle might  
 have
 been provoked at the time of the butt bite because Williams had  
 climbed
 over the fence into the yard and repeatedly shot the dog with a  
 pellet
 gun.

 3RD PLACE:

 Third place goes to Amber Carson of Lancaster , Pennsylvania because
 a jury ordered a Philadelphia restaurant to pay her $113,500 after  
 she
 slipped on a spilled soft drink and broke her tailbone.  The  
 reason the
 soft drink was on the floor: Ms. Carson had thrown it at her  
 boyfriend
 30 seconds earlier during an argument.  What ever happened to people
 being responsible for their own actions?

 2ND PLACE:

 Kara Walton, of Claymont , Delaware sued the owner of a night club
 in a nearby city because she fell from the bathroom window to the  
 floor,
 knocking out her two front teeth. Even though Ms. Walton was  
 trying to
 sneak through the ladies room window to avoid paying the $3.50 cover
 charge, the jury said the night club had to pay her $12,000oh,
 yeah, plus dental expenses.  Go figure.

 1ST PLACE:

 This year's runaway First Place Stella Award winner was Mrs.. Merv
 Grazinski, of Oklahoma City ,Oklahoma , who purchased a new 32-foot
 Winnebago motor home.  On her first trip home from an OU football  
 game,
 having driven onto the freeway, she set the cruise control at 70  
 mph and
 calmly left the driver's seat to go to the back of the Winnebago  
 to make
 herself a sandwich.   Not surprisingly, the motor home left the  
 freeway,
 crashed and overturned.  Also not surprisingly, Mrs. Grazinski sued
 Winnebago for not putting in the owner's manual that she couldn't
 actually leave the driver's seat while the cruise control was  
 set.  The
 Oklahoma jury awarded her, are you sitting down, $1,750,000 PLUS a  
 new motor
 home.  Winnebago actually changed their manuals as a result of  
 this suit,
 just in case Mrs. Grazinski has any relatives who might also buy a  
 motor
 home.
 -
 With that I wish you all a Happy, Successful, and Prosperous New Year
 Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

2007-12-31 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Yes, I agree about the 2.5 turbo-perfect balance.  I get between 29-31mpg
depending on how hard I work the turbo. After 5 years of 240D, turbo is a
tempting toy.
Dwight 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles.  
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE)
1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles
Wickford, RI
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Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:08 PM
To: mercedes Mailing List
Subject: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

Been driving the 140 diesel for a while.  Had the center console apart 
on the 92 300D fixing the cig lighter, was not working.  Discoverd it 
was not hooked up.  Anyway, put car back together and drove it today to 
work.  It needed to be filled up so I filled it up and got 29.8 mpg. 
WOW.  The 2.5 turbo is the perfect balance of economy, performance, and 
luxury.  The 140 diesel is the ultimate luxury but gives up some 
performance and economy.

On another note, there is a crappy alpine cassette installed in this 
car.  This has the factory 2 piece system with the amp etc.  Well all 
the equipment is installed in the trunk but when hooking up this 
aftermarket radio, there is nothing plugged into the amp in the trunk. 
Looks like the round plug that goes from the head unit to the trunk unit 
is still there under the dash, as is the power (I think) plug.  The 
fader switch has been bypassed I guess.  Also the antenna wire is up 
front to hook to the radio.  In the factory configuration it goes to the 
trunk unit.  So in order to get this thing back to stock, looks like Im 
going to somehow have to get all the wires back to the trunk area for 
the speakers and the antenna.  I guess when they hooked it up they 
removed the plug on the amp in the trunk and routed everything up front 
some how.  Originally there are speaker connections on the trunk unit. 
Do these go from there to the amp, then from the amp to the fader switch 
and then on to the speakers?  All I know is since it doesnt run thru the 
amp now the sound is very bad, not like it should be with the proper 
configuration.  I hate it when people butcher up the wiring for the 
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Re: [MBZ] 85 280SL

2007-12-31 Thread Redghost
The Kubota motor just did not seem to do the project justice

clay


On 31 Dec 2007, at 05:42, Mitch Haley wrote:

 Redghost wrote:

 Ahhh, a Jim Cathey project!  Were I able to peel the cash out of the
 account, I would love to drop a om617 in

 617 is kinda heavy. Does anybody know if there was ever a turbocharged
 OM601 or OM604?

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards

2007-12-31 Thread LWB250
If that makes you mad, you should hear some of the
stories I would hear when working with the legal dept.
at Kohler.  While our division had some interesting
litigation from time to time that we had to work on,
the plumbing division had some real doozies.

One of my favorites was the 600-700 pound guy that sat
on a wall-hung toilet, which, as you might expect,
tore out of the wall.  We settled, and as a result,
re-engineered our wall hung toilets to hold nothing
short of a small car, I believe.  Naturally, the
additional costs were passed on to the consumer

Dan


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 Man that kind of stuff makes me mad.  While Im sure
 crazy stuff like 
 this goes on, these are false
 



  

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[MBZ] PHX Craigslist 300D w/4 spd

2007-12-31 Thread Chuck Landenberger
Hey guys

Try this one  $500.  but, ya' gotta come and get it.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/520354875.html

Usual disclaimer, no interest, etc.

Chuck
Phoenix AZ

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Re: [MBZ] PHX Craigslist 300D w/4 spd

2007-12-31 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Title problems could be big on this-including unpaid taxes for several
owners etc. I personally would run. BTDT
Dwight 

Bissell Cove Quahog  Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

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Subject: [MBZ] PHX Craigslist 300D w/4 spd

Hey guys

Try this one  $500.  but, ya' gotta come and get it.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/520354875.html

Usual disclaimer, no interest, etc.

Chuck
Phoenix AZ

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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

2007-12-31 Thread archer
I tried Aerokroil, WD-40, Blaster, Tal-5, and a couple I've forgotten the 
name of on a tough bolt.  Finally tried Rust Eater from Autozone.  The 
next morning there was dissolved rust all around the bolt and it finally 
came loose.  It was the only solvent that visibly dissolved rust.
Gerry
---
From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Your right is is AeroKroil
 Time for the professionals
 Dave H...
 --
 Today I tried a brand called Koni, I think ???  It loosened more than 
 anything else has but still a no go.

Kroil perhaps. AeroKroil is REALLY good stuff.
 Rick Knoble
 '85 300 CD
 '87 190 DT
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[MBZ] '65 190Dc

2007-12-31 Thread John Robbins
For the folks with a fintail fetish...

http://bham.craigslist.org/car/522187980.html

Usual disclaimers.

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Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards

2007-12-31 Thread John M McIntosh
Ah, well I was looking at the Grohe UK catalog which has all sorts of  
nice
things as compared to usa catalog and *was* wondering why the wall hung
toilet assemblies looked more like a structure you'd find on front of  
a fork lift.

On Dec 31, 2007, at 3:00 PM, LWB250 wrote:

 ///

 One of my favorites was the 600-700 pound guy that sat
 on a wall-hung toilet, which, as you might expect,
 tore out of the wall.  We settled, and as a result,
 re-engineered our wall hung toilets to hold nothing
 short of a small car, I believe.  Naturally, the
 additional costs were passed on to the consumer

 Dan

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Re: [MBZ] 85 280SL

2007-12-31 Thread Mitch Haley


Redghost wrote:
 
 The Kubota motor just did not seem to do the project justice

I hope it's bigger than the 15hp Kubota in the Cub Cadet 782D. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

2007-12-31 Thread Peter Frederick
Gee, that's rotten milage -- I get 31-32 in my 300D with a 603!  I'd 
expect more like 34 with the 2.5L in fairly flat territory!

I agree about butchering the factory wiring -- all the major 
manufacturers of aftermarket stuff these days make conversion harnesses 
that just plug into the factory ones, you don't have to cut into 
things.  Makes it MUCH easier to hook up initially AND to return to 
factory configuration!

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] '65 190Dc

2007-12-31 Thread Tom Hargrave
I just sent the seller an email asking if he would be interested in
trading for a 1959 220S.

Thanks, Tom
256-656-1924

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Subject: [MBZ] '65 190Dc

For the folks with a fintail fetish...

http://bham.craigslist.org/car/522187980.html

Usual disclaimers.

John

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD

2007-12-31 Thread OK Don
Which is why we have the Plymouth van -- need those 7 seats
frequently, plus it doubles as a pickup when I need to haul something,
like an engine or sheets of plywood.

On Dec 31, 2007 2:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

2007-12-31 Thread John Robbins
Peter Frederick wrote:
 Gee, that's rotten milage -- I get 31-32 in my 300D with a 603!  I'd 
 expect more like 34 with the 2.5L in fairly flat territory!

How aggressive do you drive?  I get 29-31 on the highway going ~80 in my 
2.5T

 I agree about butchering the factory wiring -- all the major 
 manufacturers of aftermarket stuff these days make conversion harnesses 
 that just plug into the factory ones, you don't have to cut into 
 things.  Makes it MUCH easier to hook up initially AND to return to 
 factory configuration!

Not on my '92!  The factory head unit really isn't the actual radio, it 
is all in the trunk.  There is a custom cable that runs to the trunk 
where the actual AM/FM tuner, amplifier, etc are.  There's no adapter 
for that, and if you want to add an aftermarket radio none of that 
wiring will work.  I'm going to be adding an aftermarket radio to my car 
soon, but will most likely just abandon the old stuff in place.  I'll 
use the trunk antenna somehow though... adding one up front is just silly.

John

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

2007-12-31 Thread OK Don
I get 29 in town, and 33 at 75 mph on the interstates.

On Dec 31, 2007 9:09 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Peter Frederick wrote:
  Gee, that's rotten milage -- I get 31-32 in my 300D with a 603!  I'd
  expect more like 34 with the 2.5L in fairly flat territory!

 How aggressive do you drive?  I get 29-31 on the highway going ~80 in my
 2.5T


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

2007-12-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
31-32 with a 603, what is your secret?  Do you drive it like an old lady?

Peter Frederick wrote:
 Gee, that's rotten milage -- I get 31-32 in my 300D with a 603!  I'd 
 expect more like 34 with the 2.5L in fairly flat territory!
 
 I agree about butchering the factory wiring -- all the major 
 manufacturers of aftermarket stuff these days make conversion harnesses 
 that just plug into the factory ones, you don't have to cut into 
 things.  Makes it MUCH easier to hook up initially AND to return to 
 factory configuration!
 
 Peter
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] The dearth of high fidelity...probably more accurate

2007-12-31 Thread Rich Thomas
One of my professors in college (Purdue, Aero/Astro), who went to MIT, 
and later became head of the Dept at Purdue, told a story in our 
Aerodynamic Noise class of having made a large speaker while an 
undergrad at MIT, which was installed in a dorm room (or, rather, the 
modified dorm room was the speaker enclosure) and pointed through the 
window across the Charles River at Boston and Beacon Hill.  The testing 
was curtailed when the Cambridge and Boston police visited to explain 
that some good citizens were complaining of loud noises and that windows 
had been broken and could they please do something about that.  No 
charges were filed but the students were put on notice that anymore such 
behavior would result in severe penalties.  Of course they complied...

My project in that class was to build and test a supersonic propeller.  
This was a 24 radius propeller turning at approx 12000 RPM, driven by a 
very large electric motor with a 20:1 pulley ratio (drive to driven).  
Everything was working well until a piece of plastic sheet about 10'x20' 
got sucked into it from across the hangar, and bent the 1 steel drive 
shaft about 30deg and ripped off the jack bearings from the stand.  We 
fixed that and started more runs when we were advised that experiments 
were complete.  Other students in the lab (a converted large hangar at 
the airport) complained of loud noise, too much wind, and other asserted 
and considerable dangers, the Nuke E guys wanted their safety equipment 
(a chain link fence deal with a 2 thick piece of plexiglas for viewing 
the activities) returned, and the lab techs determined that too much 
power was being drawn off a 220V circuit to be safe for any length of 
time.  It generated a lot of noise from the supersonic shock waves 
generated off the tips (running at about 1200fps) and a good portion of 
the blades, and the waveforms looked really cool on an oscilloscope.  
That experiment and some guys who built a seriously nasty rocket engine 
got high accolades.

That was the most fun I had in college, well in class anyway.  We didn't 
know sh*t about much we were doing, but threw a bunch of castoff stuff 
together we found laying around the lab and let her rip.  Oh, and I got 
an A in the class.

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Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards

2007-12-31 Thread LWB250
I saw a demo in the development lab of the
redesigned toilet, and to show how strong they were
there were guys jumping up and down on one.

The story I really enjoyed was about the time plumbers
were pressure testing in an addition to an existing
building, and while doing so, guillotined a guy's
member in a urinal from the pressure.

Ouch.

We never had anything that exciting in the power
systems division.

MacDan





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wrote:

 Ah, well I was looking at the Grohe UK catalog which
 has all sorts of  
 nice
 things as compared to usa catalog and *was*
 wondering why the wall hung
 toilet assemblies looked more like a structure you'd
 find on front of  
 a fork lift.
 
 On Dec 31, 2007, at 3:00 PM, LWB250 wrote:
 
  ///
 
  One of my favorites was the 600-700 pound guy that
 sat
  on a wall-hung toilet, which, as you might expect,
  tore out of the wall.  We settled, and as a
 result,
  re-engineered our wall hung toilets to hold
 nothing
  short of a small car, I believe.  Naturally, the
  additional costs were passed on to the
 consumer
 
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Re: [MBZ] The dearth of high fidelity...probably more accurate

2007-12-31 Thread archer
I remember something from years ago about the speed of propellers being 
limited because the tips broke the sound barrier.  Then they came along with 
fanjets.  It would seem that the fanject blade tips would have the same 
problem as the propeller blade tips.  Did your experiments help solve that 
problem?
Gerry
(Cousin was at Purdue Engineering, went to WW-2, came back and got his 
degree, worked 30 years for S.I.G.E., and died several years ago.)

- Original Message - 
From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 One of my professors in college (Purdue, Aero/Astro), who went to MIT,
 and later became head of the Dept at Purdue, told a story in our
 Aerodynamic Noise class of having made a large speaker while an
 undergrad at MIT, which was installed in a dorm room (or, rather, the
 modified dorm room was the speaker enclosure) and pointed through the
 window across the Charles River at Boston and Beacon Hill.  The testing
 was curtailed when the Cambridge and Boston police visited to explain
 that some good citizens were complaining of loud noises and that windows
 had been broken and could they please do something about that.  No
 charges were filed but the students were put on notice that anymore such
 behavior would result in severe penalties.  Of course they complied...

 My project in that class was to build and test a supersonic propeller.
 This was a 24 radius propeller turning at approx 12000 RPM, driven by a
 very large electric motor with a 20:1 pulley ratio (drive to driven).
 Everything was working well until a piece of plastic sheet about 10'x20'
 got sucked into it from across the hangar, and bent the 1 steel drive
 shaft about 30deg and ripped off the jack bearings from the stand.  We
 fixed that and started more runs when we were advised that experiments
 were complete.  Other students in the lab (a converted large hangar at
 the airport) complained of loud noise, too much wind, and other asserted
 and considerable dangers, the Nuke E guys wanted their safety equipment
 (a chain link fence deal with a 2 thick piece of plexiglas for viewing
 the activities) returned, and the lab techs determined that too much
 power was being drawn off a 220V circuit to be safe for any length of
 time.  It generated a lot of noise from the supersonic shock waves
 generated off the tips (running at about 1200fps) and a good portion of
 the blades, and the waveforms looked really cool on an oscilloscope.
 That experiment and some guys who built a seriously nasty rocket engine
 got high accolades.

 That was the most fun I had in college, well in class anyway.  We didn't
 know sh*t about much we were doing, but threw a bunch of castoff stuff
 together we found laying around the lab and let her rip.  Oh, and I got
 an A in the class.

 --R


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

2007-12-31 Thread Peter Frederick
Fairly gently, usually not over 60 on the highway to work (60 mph speed 
limit).  Ran right at 30 mpg on my trip to Fr. Wayne, IN for 
Thanksgiving this year, too running 75 or so most of the way.

I got 29 highway even driving hard in the old one.

Peter
On Dec 31, 2007, at 9:09 PM, John Robbins wrote:

 Peter Frederick wrote:
 Gee, that's rotten milage -- I get 31-32 in my 300D with a 603!  I'd
 expect more like 34 with the 2.5L in fairly flat territory!

 How aggressive do you drive?  I get 29-31 on the highway going ~80 in 
 my
 2.5T

 I agree about butchering the factory wiring -- all the major
 manufacturers of aftermarket stuff these days make conversion 
 harnesses
 that just plug into the factory ones, you don't have to cut into
 things.  Makes it MUCH easier to hook up initially AND to return to
 factory configuration!

 Not on my '92!  The factory head unit really isn't the actual radio, it
 is all in the trunk.  There is a custom cable that runs to the trunk
 where the actual AM/FM tuner, amplifier, etc are.  There's no adapter
 for that, and if you want to add an aftermarket radio none of that
 wiring will work.  I'm going to be adding an aftermarket radio to my 
 car
 soon, but will most likely just abandon the old stuff in place.  I'll
 use the trunk antenna somehow though... adding one up front is just 
 silly.

 John

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

2007-12-31 Thread Peter Frederick
Pretty much just go with the traffic, although I am a gentle driver.  
Mostly open road around here, but it doesn't matter much with diesels 
-- they don't loose that much milage in town unless you get stuck it 
slow traffic jams.

I don't floor it, though.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] The dearth of high fidelity...probably more accurate

2007-12-31 Thread Peter Frederick
If I remember correctly, the Air Force and Navy tried some supersonic 
propeller turbo-prop planes in the early 50's before jets worked well 
enough for carrier work (no range) -- the props were counter-rotating 
and rather short, and worked just fine other than the normal problems 
with counter-rotating gearboxes and the NOISE.  Deafened (literally) 
the deck people, even with hearing protection, and the rumor was that 
you couldn't do anti-submarine work as the plane could be heard so far 
away underwater

Did a number on the pilot, too.  Doesn't seem to be any reasonable way 
to eliminate the noise, either.

Those musta been fun classes!

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[MBZ] Today's List

2007-12-31 Thread LWB250
This is pretty funny:

http://listoftheday.blogspot.com/2007/09/great-olan-mills-photos.html

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Re: [MBZ] radio wiring nightmare

2007-12-31 Thread Luther - laptop
This was a recent project in my coupe, the installation of a different  
radio and bypassing the fader switch without cutting speaker wiring.   
First, snag some speaker wiring out of a parts car, cutting it at the  
radio, and disconnecting it at the connectors next to the shifter and in  
the dash under the speakers.  This project ran simultaneously with  
odometer and temp sensor foam tube repair.

Luther

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:37:48 -0600, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 Gee, that's rotten milage -- I get 31-32 in my 300D with a 603!  I'd
 expect more like 34 with the 2.5L in fairly flat territory!

 I agree about butchering the factory wiring -- all the major
 manufacturers of aftermarket stuff these days make conversion harnesses
 that just plug into the factory ones, you don't have to cut into
 things.  Makes it MUCH easier to hook up initially AND to return to
 factory configuration!

 Peter





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'87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi)
'82 300CD (170 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
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Re: [MBZ] 60x with broken chain and cam

2007-12-31 Thread JFreezn
 
In a message dated 12/30/2007 6:44:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

So what  are the chances that a 602 that broke the chain and broke the 
cam does NOT  have bent valves?  Is is possible that the cam broke 
instead of  bending a valve?  Thinking maybe just replacing cam etc and 
seeing  what happens without pulling the head.  Am I just farting in a  
whirlwind?



Kaleb,
 
I bought a 200D just like that and pistons and valves were fine.   Chain 
broke!  Cam was broke and 3 stands were broken.  I would change  the cam and 
run a 
compression test.  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 264 K miles 
98 ML 320, 152 K  miles




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Re: [MBZ] 60x with broken chain and cam

2007-12-31 Thread Peter Frederick
The 602 engine doesn't have those nice cam stands, the cam is bolted 
down to the head with fairly solid cam bearing blocks instead.  If the 
cam broke, I'd quite certain  that the valve that did the job is well 
and truely bent, and the guide is also probably shot.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] PHX Craigslist 300D w/4 spd

2007-12-31 Thread Zoltan Finks
I love that he says it's not pretty, but then he was just going to run bio
with it.
Brian

On Dec 31, 2007 3:30 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Title problems could be big on this-including unpaid taxes for several
 owners etc. I personally would run. BTDT
 Dwight

 Bissell Cove Quahog  Auto Salvage Co
 Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
 Wickford RI 02852

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Chuck Landenberger
 Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 6:20 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: [MBZ] PHX Craigslist 300D w/4 spd

 Hey guys

 Try this one  $500.  but, ya' gotta come and get it.

 http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/520354875.html

 Usual disclaimer, no interest, etc.

 Chuck
 Phoenix AZ

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Re: [MBZ] The dearth of high fidelity...probably more accurate

2007-12-31 Thread Redghost
http://www.murphyauctions.net/westernvideo.html


get your new toys here.  I have nothing to do with it.  Just got the  
notice and given all the chatter, must be someone who needs to stock up


clay

On 31 Dec 2007, at 12:16, Mitch Haley wrote:

 Jim Cathey wrote:

 I'm pretty happy with the old DCM KX10 and KX12 speakers.

 I have DCM Time Frames.  Bought new, serial number 510 (or
 thereabouts).  IIRC they were around $500 at the time.
 Recently picked up a pair of unmarked DCM bookshelf
 speakers at Goodwill for $20.

 I was reading some Time Window reviews and somebody said that he  
 found a pair
 of TWs in the dumpster!!! Best speakers he ever had. (if all the  
 drivers
 and crossover elements were good, TWs would be the best I ever had  
 too)
 If I could find a functional set of Time Window Sevens for a couple  
 hundred
 I'd be very happy.

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Re: [MBZ] O.T. '08 Z4 Raffle on My Birfday/wish me luck!

2007-12-31 Thread JFreezn
 
In a message dated 12/31/2007 10:59:01 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

One of  the local school districts is hold a raffle for an '08 Z4 to be drawn
on my  birthday. Seems like an  omen..



http://www.winthebmw.com/



Bob, and all,
 
This is one of my favorite charities, Chandler Education Foundation, and  for 
years they have been raffling a Mercedes.  This is the first year, in  recent 
memory, they are switching to the Z4.  I looked at it this afternoon  and 
bought two tickets.Feb 13th may, or may not, be  your lucky day!  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 264 K miles 
98 ML 320, 152 K  miles




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