[MBZ] Harbor freight
I can't figure out how to copy and paste on my phone but I wanted to weigh in on the Harbor Freight thing. I've got three sets of their wrenches which I have used extensively. I've beat on them. I've used the floor jack to turn stuck bolts, I've used them in the cold and hot and I can honestly say they are great wrenches. I've not had one slip or break or bend or rust. I'm generally hard on tools and but these are well deserving of praise. As I said I've got three sets, two at home, one SAE one metric, and one SAE set at camp... Curt Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harbor freight
Some of their ratchets from years ago were crappy but they are fine now. Sockets are good, wrenches are good, the $20 sawzall is good, the impact wrench is good. I did have a star socket snap the tip off yesterday, going to take it back and see what happens Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I can't figure out how to copy and paste on my phone but I wanted to weigh in on the Harbor Freight thing. I've got three sets of their wrenches which I have used extensively. I've beat on them. I've used the floor jack to turn stuck bolts, I've used them in the cold and hot and I can honestly say they are great wrenches. I've not had one slip or break or bend or rust. I'm generally hard on tools and but these are well deserving of praise. As I said I've got three sets, two at home, one SAE one metric, and one SAE set at camp... Curt Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: mystery deepens in Air France crash
'Don't remember reading anything about pitot heat in the AF accident ('cept
to assume that it must have been OFF). You'd think that with all of that
computer automation, they'd have some quick and easy way to get some pitot
heat on whenever the airplane is anywhere near a cloud and temp. near or
below 0C; at the very least, maybe, a simple ON/OFF toggle or rocker switch
labeled, PITOT HEAT or CHALEUR PITOT, or is that too Boeing-like or
Benzesque for such sophistication francais?
Wilton
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Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: mystery deepens in Air France crash
I thought it was:
Boeing--you decide
Airbus--the computer is your friend (trust the computer)
(I think someone has done too much reactor shielding duty-- refer to the
paranoia RPG)
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On May 28, 2011, at 14:56, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
It's not clear that the flight control system would allow them to
override what it thinks it needs to do to the airplane. Also unclear
that they had the proper information to determine what exactly they
needed to do, whether the FCS would allow them to do that or not.
Airbus. Boeing. You decide.
--R
On 5/28/2011 2:43 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/onepercent/2011/05/blaring-alarms-confused-doomed.html
Apparently with the aircraft in a stall, the pilots (in manual control)
maintained a nose-up attitude and attempted to climb.
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor freight
I had a really nice old Sears/Milwaukee heavy-duty recip saw I had used a lot. When I was putting up my addition, I made the mistake of letting the crew use it to do some work as it was there. Next time I went to use it the drive gear was all chewed up. No parts available now that I could find. So I needed another but did not want to spring $200+ for a new good one, went to HF and bought the $25 recip saw. It has surprised me with power and general utility. The head rotates, it is variable speed, has a good blade holder/release. IT is lightweight plastic, and probably has plastic gears, but for $25 in a pinch it has done very well. 1 year warranty, the woman said, Bring it back if it breaks and we'll give you another one. Can't beat that. I got some long-handled wrenches too, a whole pack of them for like $20, they have nice finish, fit the hand well, do the job. Hard to complain. Some of the stuff is marginal crap, but you tend to get what you pay for, sometimes even more. They have a huge warehouse/distro facility just south of South of the Border in SC, and a store there too. --R On 5/29/2011 10:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Some of their ratchets from years ago were crappy but they are fine now. Sockets are good, wrenches are good, the $20 sawzall is good, the impact wrench is good. I did have a star socket snap the tip off yesterday, going to take it back and see what happens Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I can't figure out how to copy and paste on my phone but I wanted to weigh in on the Harbor Freight thing. I've got three sets of their wrenches which I have used extensively. I've beat on them. I've used the floor jack to turn stuck bolts, I've used them in the cold and hot and I can honestly say they are great wrenches. I've not had one slip or break or bend or rust. I'm generally hard on tools and but these are well deserving of praise. As I said I've got three sets, two at home, one SAE one metric, and one SAE set at camp... Curt Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: mystery deepens in Air France crash
All pitot heaters were on, but AirBus was in the process of replacing them with a newer design that did not ice up as easily. Pitot icing is a know problem on that design under icing conditions, and they are blue from running very hot, just like when tempering steel. The suppositions is that they encountered large amounts of supercooled water mist that overwhelmed the heaters ability to keep the pitots open. Supercooled water mist at -60C is a scary idea. Personally, I question the design philosophy here -- if the plane cannot be flown without accurate air speed signal, you'd damned well better insure that you NEVER lose that data stream. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: mystery deepens in Air France crash
I would think that a back-up sensor of some sort, like a laser doppler velocimeter, might be useful on aircraft. --R On 5/29/2011 11:49 AM, Peter Frederick wrote: All pitot heaters were on, but AirBus was in the process of replacing them with a newer design that did not ice up as easily. Pitot icing is a know problem on that design under icing conditions, and they are blue from running very hot, just like when tempering steel. The suppositions is that they encountered large amounts of supercooled water mist that overwhelmed the heaters ability to keep the pitots open. Supercooled water mist at -60C is a scary idea. Personally, I question the design philosophy here -- if the plane cannot be flown without accurate air speed signal, you'd damned well better insure that you NEVER lose that data stream. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: mystery deepens in Air France crash
Peter - With as sophisticated as the rest of the airplanes are these days it seems outrageous to me to even have to think about having a large commercial aircraft to be put at risk by an iced up pitot tube. How about having 4 or 5 of the things with maybe two at a time out and available and the others retracted back for safe harbor in the airframe for some RR. As an alternative it would seem as simple as directing some nice warm compressor bleed air via a nozzle appropriately aimed at the pitots. Yes I imagine the warm air will introduce some error but it would seem that some error would be better than no data. With the capabilities that exist today and the typical layers of redundancy in other areas it just seems inexcusable to lose a airplane due to things as critical as having clogged pitots or static ports. Barry Personally, I question the design philosophy here -- if the plane cannot be flown without accurate air speed signal, you'd damned well better insure that you NEVER lose that data stream. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Can't do the flex disks -- a brainstorm (or more like a little summer shower?)
So my son decided to drive down here from Philadelphia for the holiday weekend, and his 84 300SD (same as mama's) has bad flex disks and/or center bearing, something noisy and thumping. So I have the parts, was going to change all that stuff today, but really can't because my driveways are just dirt (sand, actually), and my garage is full of my workshop. No way to get the car jacked up enough, get a jack under there to lift the tranny, etc. BAH. Good thing is he is moving from Philly to DC in a coupla months, will only be in Philly for another month then traveling, so doesn't need the car anyway. He was going to do without while in DC (med school) so it was going to be here anyway. Whatever, that isn't the point, but it sorta works out OK, he can fly back home. I have a bunch of big trees around the garage and driveway, had thought about getting a pad poured where I could work on the cars, but that would probably damage tree roots and I don't want to do that. So I got to thinking about making a pad out of treated lumber, laying down sleepers of 2x6's, then laying 2xsomethings on top of them at the opposite angle, the sleepers could just lay on the dirt, water would run through the cracks between boards, I could level it up, etc. It would be pretty solid, 3in thick, so could hold jack stands, floor jacks, etc. to get the cars up when I needed to do that. I could even stain it nicely. I have some sheets of this floor decking sheet stuff called Advantech, that is tough as hell, I have been using that for under the floor jack when I have to jack cars. It is not treated, but holds up to weather quite well if it gets wet while working on things -- I wouldn't leave it out permanently -- so that would be good to give a nice smooth surface if I needed to roll stuff around and it would give another 3/4 of solid surface. Anyone see any issues with this? I have seen old race tracks made of wood like this, so it has some historical precedent! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Can't do the flex disks -- a brainstorm (or more like a little summer shower?)
Sounds like a great idea, put a canopy over it to keep the wet stuff off and your in business. -Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: So my son decided to drive down here from Philadelphia for the holiday weekend, and his 84 300SD (same as mama's) has bad flex disks and/or center bearing, something noisy and thumping. So I have the parts, was going to change all that stuff today, but really can't because my driveways are just dirt (sand, actually), and my garage is full of my workshop. No way to get the car jacked up enough, get a jack under there to lift the tranny, etc. BAH. Good thing is he is moving from Philly to DC in a coupla months, will only be in Philly for another month then traveling, so doesn't need the car anyway. He was going to do without while in DC (med school) so it was going to be here anyway. Whatever, that isn't the point, but it sorta works out OK, he can fly back home. I have a bunch of big trees around the garage and driveway, had thought about getting a pad poured where I could work on the cars, but that would probably damage tree roots and I don't want to do that. So I got to thinking about making a pad out of treated lumber, laying down sleepers of 2x6's, then laying 2xsomethings on top of them at the opposite angle, the sleepers could just lay on the dirt, water would run through the cracks between boards, I could level it up, etc. It would be pretty solid, 3in thick, so could hold jack stands, floor jacks, etc. to get the cars up when I needed to do that. I could even stain it nicely. I have some sheets of this floor decking sheet stuff called Advantech, that is tough as hell, I have been using that for under the floor jack when I have to jack cars. It is not treated, but holds up to weather quite well if it gets wet while working on things -- I wouldn't leave it out permanently -- so that would be good to give a nice smooth surface if I needed to roll stuff around and it would give another 3/4 of solid surface. Anyone see any issues with this? I have seen old race tracks made of wood like this, so it has some historical precedent! --R_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: mystery deepens in Air France crash
I saw one on the PBS program, and it's labeled something like 20A 240V -- a little compressor bleed isn't gonna do diddly for keeping one above freezing at 500 mph in temps around -60C. i believe the new design has much more heating power. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Can't do the flex disks -- a brainstorm (or more like a little summer shower?)
So, if you're using the Advantech under the floor jack, do you have enough to put under four jack stands? If, use the five pieces, jack the car up, and go for it. You'll not be happy if a flex disk lets go while under power. The wooden pad idea does sound good - just use enough to prevent any flexing under weight. On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: So my son decided to drive down here from Philadelphia for the holiday weekend, and his 84 300SD (same as mama's) has bad flex disks and/or center bearing, something noisy and thumping. So I have the parts, was going to change all that stuff today, but really can't because my driveways are just dirt (sand, actually), and my garage is full of my workshop. No way to get the car jacked up enough, get a jack under there to lift the tranny, etc. BAH. Good thing is he is moving from Philly to DC in a coupla months, will only be in Philly for another month then traveling, so doesn't need the car anyway. He was going to do without while in DC (med school) so it was going to be here anyway. Whatever, that isn't the point, but it sorta works out OK, he can fly back home. I have a bunch of big trees around the garage and driveway, had thought about getting a pad poured where I could work on the cars, but that would probably damage tree roots and I don't want to do that. So I got to thinking about making a pad out of treated lumber, laying down sleepers of 2x6's, then laying 2xsomethings on top of them at the opposite angle, the sleepers could just lay on the dirt, water would run through the cracks between boards, I could level it up, etc. It would be pretty solid, 3in thick, so could hold jack stands, floor jacks, etc. to get the cars up when I needed to do that. I could even stain it nicely. I have some sheets of this floor decking sheet stuff called Advantech, that is tough as hell, I have been using that for under the floor jack when I have to jack cars. It is not treated, but holds up to weather quite well if it gets wet while working on things -- I wouldn't leave it out permanently -- so that would be good to give a nice smooth surface if I needed to roll stuff around and it would give another 3/4 of solid surface. Anyone see any issues with this? I have seen old race tracks made of wood like this, so it has some historical precedent! --R OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Can't do the flex disks -- a brainstorm (or more like a little summer shower?)
My garage/barn has wooden floors but they are fastened to heavy duty timbers/ floor joists so not quite the same thing. Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: So my son decided to drive down here from Philadelphia for the holiday weekend, and his 84 300SD (same as mama's) has bad flex disks and/or center bearing, something noisy and thumping. So I have the parts, was going to change all that stuff today, but really can't because my driveways are just dirt (sand, actually), and my garage is full of my workshop. No way to get the car jacked up enough, get a jack under there to lift the tranny, etc. BAH. Good thing is he is moving from Philly to DC in a coupla months, will only be in Philly for another month then traveling, so doesn't need the car anyway. He was going to do without while in DC (med school) so it was going to be here anyway. Whatever, that isn't the point, but it sorta works out OK, he can fly back home. I have a bunch of big trees around the garage and driveway, had thought about getting a pad poured where I could work on the cars, but that would probably damage tree roots and I don't want to do that. So I got to thinking about making a pad out of treated lumber, laying down sleepers of 2x6's, then laying 2xsomethings on top of them at the opposite angle, the sleepers could just lay on the dirt, water would run through the cracks between boards, I could level it up, etc. It would be pretty solid, 3in thick, so could hold jack stands, floor jacks, etc. to get the cars up when I needed to do that. I could even stain it nicely. I have some sheets of this floor decking sheet stuff called Advantech, that is tough as hell, I have been using that for under the floor jack when I have to jack cars. It is not treated, but holds up to weather quite well if it gets wet while working on things -- I wouldn't leave it out permanently -- so that would be good to give a nice smooth surface if I needed to roll stuff around and it would give another 3/4 of solid surface. Anyone see any issues with this? I have seen old race tracks made of wood like this, so it has some historical precedent! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Air France
...Personally, I question the design philosophy here -- if the plane cannot be flown without accurate air speed signal, you'd damned well better insure that you NEVER lose that data stream. And you can't hand fly anything in the middle of the night at altitude in bad weather. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] The Beaver Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w_v0k57KhE RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
It has been a long time since I was last here, but now would like to pose a question to the group How many would be interested in purchasing a conversion to a six speed manual for a 300D? Package could or would consist of adapters, piece parts, instructions, cutting template or a complete turn key package.. What would you be willing to pay for such a package? comments please to etud...@gmail.com or if Kaleb permits, here. Of late I have come into a world of CNC, CAD and CAM. All at reasonable prices, outsourced if need be, but the capability to turn ideas into products just keeps getting easier and cheaper. Anybody interested? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
I am sure many here would be interested Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Marshall Field drspar...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a long time since I was last here, but now would like to pose a question to the group How many would be interested in purchasing a conversion to a six speed manual for a 300D? Package could or would consist of adapters, piece parts, instructions, cutting template or a complete turn key package.. What would you be willing to pay for such a package? comments please to etud...@gmail.com or if Kaleb permits, here. Of late I have come into a world of CNC, CAD and CAM. All at reasonable prices, outsourced if need be, but the capability to turn ideas into products just keeps getting easier and cheaper. Anybody interested? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
Someone on peachparts was offering to make a conversion package for the Tremec 6-speed used in LT1 Camaros, IIRC, which would be strong enough to handle not just the OM617 but most of the older gas engines as well. (Stick 560SL, anyone?) Alex On 5/29/11, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I am sure many here would be interested Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Marshall Field drspar...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a long time since I was last here, but now would like to pose a question to the group How many would be interested in purchasing a conversion to a six speed manual for a 300D? Package could or would consist of adapters, piece parts, instructions, cutting template or a complete turn key package.. What would you be willing to pay for such a package? comments please to etud...@gmail.com or if Kaleb permits, here. Of late I have come into a world of CNC, CAD and CAM. All at reasonable prices, outsourced if need be, but the capability to turn ideas into products just keeps getting easier and cheaper. Anybody interested? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sent from my mobile device ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Someone on peachparts was offering to make a conversion package for the Tremec 6-speed used in LT1 Camaros, IIRC, which would be strong enough to handle not just the OM617 but most of the older gas engines as well. (Stick 560SL, anyone?) IIRC, the T56 was rated for something like 50-60 ft-lb/cylinder. I know it can take 400 ft-lb behind a V8. I think it weighs about 120-130lb. Doesn't the Camaro version have a 0.5x:1 sixth gear? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Yet another computer problem
I would say I have bad luck, but as the last computer I bought that was actually in the box new was Commodore 64 I don't think I have had all that much bad luck. This is the third time this calendar year I have had one go out on me, though, and it is a bit irritating. Let me ask what I hope is a fairly simple question for some o you computer guys: Currently I am running a 2nd hand Dell desktop with XP, SP3. A couple of weeks ago it started having trouble recognizing the keyboard [which I had been using for months]. Usually a couple of reboots would have things running again. Now it goes to a screen that says I do not have a keyboard [it lies], then to a boot menu [Ununtu, diagnostics or XP] which I cannot access. I have tried three keyboards so far with no success. From this point I am not sure what to do next. I have a variety of diagnostic disks, but they always boot to a menu, and I have no keyboard or mouse to select anything. As is usual, storms in the area - I do have a good surge protector [but no APS]. Any suggestions? I am thinking at this point it might be time to break down and actually get a new one, but unfortunately a daughter just needed a lot of assistance getting her ancient Neon road worthy and I am a tad on the short-of-funds side. Suggestions appreciated - Bill R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another computer problem
Mercedes content: her Neon was so bad that I let her take my new S420 to Ft. Lauderdale for 4 days. I do love my S420 and my wife's S320, but really can't do work on either of them, so not any MB questions these days. Bill R -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Bill Ringgold Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:15 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: [MBZ] Yet another computer problem I would say I have bad luck, but as the last computer I bought that was actually in the box new was Commodore 64 I don't think I have had all that much bad luck. This is the third time this calendar year I have had one go out on me, though, and it is a bit irritating. Let me ask what I hope is a fairly simple question for some o you computer guys: Currently I am running a 2nd hand Dell desktop with XP, SP3. A couple of weeks ago it started having trouble recognizing the keyboard [which I had been using for months]. Usually a couple of reboots would have things running again. Now it goes to a screen that says I do not have a keyboard [it lies], then to a boot menu [Ununtu, diagnostics or XP] which I cannot access. I have tried three keyboards so far with no success. From this point I am not sure what to do next. I have a variety of diagnostic disks, but they always boot to a menu, and I have no keyboard or mouse to select anything. As is usual, storms in the area - I do have a good surge protector [but no APS]. Any suggestions? I am thinking at this point it might be time to break down and actually get a new one, but unfortunately a daughter just needed a lot of assistance getting her ancient Neon road worthy and I am a tad on the short-of-funds side. Suggestions appreciated - Bill R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
Mitch Haley wrote: IIRC, the T56 was rated for something like 50-60 ft-lb/cylinder. I know it can take 400 ft-lb behind a V8. I think it weighs about 120-130lb. Doesn't the Camaro version have a 0.5x:1 sixth gear? The F-body GM versions were 450ft-lb rated, and the Vipers were 550 ft-lb, but I don't know if that reflects a stronger tranny or just the difference between a V8 rating and a V10 rating. Gear ratios for F-body and Viper were quite tall, no 4:1 first gears here, you'd probably want a 3.27 or lower diff: 2.66, 1.78, 1.30, 1.00, 0.74, 0.50. 2.90 reverse. The 4.6 Mustang and GM/Ford aftermarket parts were rated 400 ft-lb with slightly lower gear ratios: 2.97, 2.07, 1.43, 1.00 0.80, 0.62. 3.28 reverse. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
Oops, forgot to name my source: http://www.5speedtransmissions.com/6_speed.html Mitch Haley wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another computer problem
USB keyboard? Or even a ps/2 to USB keyboard adapter? It sounds like your PS/2 port is dead. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another computer problem
I agree. Verify by connecting a USB keyboard and firing up the system. FWIW, working keyboards can often be had for a buck or two at Salvation Army and other thrift stores. Lee Mitch Haley wrote: USB keyboard? Or even a ps/2 to USB keyboard adapter? It sounds like your PS/2 port is dead. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another computer problem
That had been my fervent hope, and I ordered a couple of ps/2 to usb adaptors, which have not arrived. When I crawled under the desk I discovered that this computer does not have anything but USB. I did try the USB keyboard from mom's new Windows 7 computer, but that didn't show up either. I'm having serious doubts about the parentage of Dell computers. Bill R -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:25 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another computer problem USB keyboard? Or even a ps/2 to USB keyboard adapter? It sounds like your PS/2 port is dead. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another computer problem
You may have to enable USB on startup in the bios before it will recognize a USB keyboard. I had an old Dell that I had to figure out by trial and error, when I tried using a wireless keyboard and mouse with it. Rick Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Lee einer...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree. Verify by connecting a USB keyboard and firing up the system. FWIW, working keyboards can often be had for a buck or two at Salvation Army and other thrift stores. Lee Mitch Haley wrote: USB keyboard? Or even a ps/2 to USB keyboard adapter? It sounds like your PS/2 port is dead. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D
Its a nice idea, but a 0.62-0.50 overdrive will be nearly useless, and the first gear is a bit tall overall. A mild overdrive would be useful on top of the normal 4 speed's 1:1 top gear. Otherwise, I don't see the point really. Jaime '82 300Dt w/ 240D speed. On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Marshall Field drspar...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a long time since I was last here, but now would like to pose a question to the group How many would be interested in purchasing a conversion to a six speed manual for a 300D? Package could or would consist of adapters, piece parts, instructions, cutting template or a complete turn key package.. What would you be willing to pay for such a package? comments please to etud...@gmail.com or if Kaleb permits, here. Of late I have come into a world of CNC, CAD and CAM. All at reasonable prices, outsourced if need be, but the capability to turn ideas into products just keeps getting easier and cheaper. Anybody interested? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another computer problem
Bill Ringgold wrote: Currently I am running a 2nd hand Dell desktop with XP, SP3. A couple of weeks ago it started having trouble recognizing the keyboard [which I had been using for months]. Usually a couple of reboots would have things running again. Now it goes to a screen that says I do not have a keyboard [it lies], then to a boot menu [Ununtu, diagnostics or XP] which I cannot access. I have tried three keyboards so far with no success. From this point I am not sure what to do next. If it acts the same with three different software boots, it's probably hardware. Is it a USB or PS2 keyboard? Do you have one of the other type you can try? Or stick in a USB card and try a USB keyboard in that. If none of that works - I'd guess motherboard troubles. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Viri?
RLE wrote: As a matterafack, I am in my fourth and waning week of bronchial pneumonia and if you don't watch out, I'll come back there and breathe on you. Eh... no thanks. But, thanks for the beaver shots. Must be an awesome experience to fly one of them to a remote location - very cool. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another computer problem
If there was a way to reach the bios I would try that. No keyboard is what it says, but the keyboard and mouse are both gone. Bill R -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rick Knoble Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another computer problem You may have to enable USB on startup in the bios before it will recognize a USB keyboard. I had an old Dell that I had to figure out by trial and error, when I tried using a wireless keyboard and mouse with it. Rick Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Lee einer...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree. Verify by connecting a USB keyboard and firing up the system. FWIW, working keyboards can often be had for a buck or two at Salvation Army and other thrift stores. Lee Mitch Haley wrote: USB keyboard? Or even a ps/2 to USB keyboard adapter? It sounds like your PS/2 port is dead. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another computer problem
Computer is USB only, and I don't have a ps/2 to usb adaptor at the moment [two on order]. I could buy a new adaptor, but the only ones I can find are $14 and a new keyboard is only $12 - and I have 5 already but 4 are ps/2 and the other is the usb that quit working - oh, and I did try mom's new usb keyboard with no response. It could be some odd combination of things I just have not tried as yet. For the moment I will just keep using this old one my wife plays solitaire on and wait for my adaptors to arrive or my bank account to recover. Bill R -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another computer problem Bill Ringgold wrote: Currently I am running a 2nd hand Dell desktop with XP, SP3. A couple of weeks ago it started having trouble recognizing the keyboard [which I had been using for months]. Usually a couple of reboots would have things running again. Now it goes to a screen that says I do not have a keyboard [it lies], then to a boot menu [Ununtu, diagnostics or XP] which I cannot access. I have tried three keyboards so far with no success. From this point I am not sure what to do next. If it acts the same with three different software boots, it's probably hardware. Is it a USB or PS2 keyboard? Do you have one of the other type you can try? Or stick in a USB card and try a USB keyboard in that. If none of that works - I'd guess motherboard troubles. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another computer problem
No mouse, and I have tried a daisy chain usb connected to the back [where the keyboard has been plugged in for months] and the front usb with no success. When the keyboard stopped responding the mouse never gets a chance because I can never respond to the screen menu to load anything. The only input I have is on/off. Bill R -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another computer problem Bill Ringgold wrote: When I crawled under the desk I discovered that this computer does not have anything but USB. Does your USB mouse work? Does the keyboard work when plugged into another USB port? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another computer problem
Bill Ringgold wrote: Computer is USB only, and I don't have a ps/2 to usb adaptor at the moment [two on order]. I could buy a new adaptor, but the only ones I can find are $14 and a new keyboard is only $12 - and I have 5 already but 4 are ps/2 and the other is the usb that quit working - oh, and I did try mom's new usb keyboard with no response. It could be some odd combination of things I just have not tried as yet. For the moment I will just keep using this old one my wife plays solitaire on and wait for my adaptors to arrive or my bank account to recover. There are some Linux LiveCDs that will, after a timeout, boot with no input. But the ones I'm most familiar with boot to a command prompt! So those won't help any. I'm voting for hardware failure. Either the USB driver chip on the motherboard, or the portion of the motherboard that communicates with USB. A PCI USB card might work if the problem is the former. Being a command-line junkie and familiar with Linux, if it were on my desk, I think I would: 1. plug it into the local network that has HDCP running 2. boot with SystemRescue or GRML 3. login over the network and begin poking around. I really don't think there's much reason to try anything more with the existing USB ports. Seems to me you have proven them dead. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another computer problem
I've been coming to that conclusion, but am loathe to admit defeat [else I would not have loved and driven a 30 year old 300SD until my wife insisted I get the nearly flawless S420. But, when the time is up the time is up. I'll check on resources and replacement equipment tomorrow. Thanks all - Bill R -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 9:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another computer problem Bill Ringgold wrote: Computer is USB only, and I don't have a ps/2 to usb adaptor at the moment [two on order]. I could buy a new adaptor, but the only ones I can find are $14 and a new keyboard is only $12 - and I have 5 already but 4 are ps/2 and the other is the usb that quit working - oh, and I did try mom's new usb keyboard with no response. It could be some odd combination of things I just have not tried as yet. For the moment I will just keep using this old one my wife plays solitaire on and wait for my adaptors to arrive or my bank account to recover. There are some Linux LiveCDs that will, after a timeout, boot with no input. But the ones I'm most familiar with boot to a command prompt! So those won't help any. I'm voting for hardware failure. Either the USB driver chip on the motherboard, or the portion of the motherboard that communicates with USB. A PCI USB card might work if the problem is the former. Being a command-line junkie and familiar with Linux, if it were on my desk, I think I would: 1. plug it into the local network that has HDCP running 2. boot with SystemRescue or GRML 3. login over the network and begin poking around. I really don't think there's much reason to try anything more with the existing USB ports. Seems to me you have proven them dead. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Annoying cockpit noise in W123 300TD turbodiesel
At 60 mph always, and other speeds seemingly at random, there is this annoying jack hammer noise emanating from the instrument cluster on the 1983 300TD. The speedometer was changed and a new cable installed, with no effect whatsoever on the noise, so I am really stumped. The only thing I can think of is that maybe the speedometer cable itself is moving around and needs to be rigidly clamped into place. Anyone have any bright ideas? Andrew 300TD with accompanying dentist's drill sound ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another computer problem
Bill, Try pulling the CMOS Battery and replace it with a fresh one. I had a client that has a Dell Optiplex that was doing the same thing last week. Pulled the battery and tested it. Voltage was Ok. Reinstalled it and same thing No Keyboard present. For Grins and Giggles I installed a brand new battery. Restarted it and Keyboard worked. Good luck with the PS2 to USB converters Dell's don't like them. I tried 6 on my Optiplex 320 none worked. Yet 4 of the 6 worked on my laptop with the same keyboard. Russ W. On 5/29/2011 6:14 PM, Bill Ringgold wrote: I would say I have bad luck, but as the last computer I bought that was actually in the box new was Commodore 64 I don't think I have had all that much bad luck. This is the third time this calendar year I have had one go out on me, though, and it is a bit irritating. Let me ask what I hope is a fairly simple question for some o you computer guys: Currently I am running a 2nd hand Dell desktop with XP, SP3. A couple of weeks ago it started having trouble recognizing the keyboard [which I had been using for months]. Usually a couple of reboots would have things running again. Now it goes to a screen that says I do not have a keyboard [it lies], then to a boot menu [Ununtu, diagnostics or XP] which I cannot access. I have tried three keyboards so far with no success. From this point I am not sure what to do next. I have a variety of diagnostic disks, but they always boot to a menu, and I have no keyboard or mouse to select anything. As is usual, storms in the area - I do have a good surge protector [but no APS]. Any suggestions? I am thinking at this point it might be time to break down and actually get a new one, but unfortunately a daughter just needed a lot of assistance getting her ancient Neon road worthy and I am a tad on the short-of-funds side. Suggestions appreciated - Bill R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Annoying cockpit noise in W123 300TD turbodiesel
Tachometer? Woodpecker? Ventilation fan? -Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: At 60 mph always, and other speeds seemingly at random, there is this annoying jack hammer noise emanating from the instrument cluster on the 1983 300TD. The speedometer was changed and a new cable installed, with no effect whatsoever on the noise, so I am really stumped. The only thing I can think of is that maybe the speedometer cable itself is moving around and needs to be rigidly clamped into place. Anyone have any bright ideas? Andrew 300TD with accompanying dentist's drill sound_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: mystery deepens in Air France crash
Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net writes: Personally, I question the design philosophy here -- if the plane cannot be flown without accurate air speed signal, you'd damned well better insure that you NEVER lose that data stream. From what I've been reading, it is the automated control that requires the airspeed data. When the pitot tubes freeze up, or the computer detects conflicting data from different tubes, the auto pilot and auto thrust systems disengage and drop control back to the pilots. The plane can be flown without airspeed data: the procedure is supposed to be setting a specified pitch and thrust to maintain safe airspeed. However flying an Airbus by hand at 35,000 feet is apparently a fairly touchy business. The joystick controls give the pilot no tactile feedback. Further, it's not something they are practiced at doing because the computer flies the plane in all normal situations. Also they had flown into a severe storm (why?), at night, bouncing around, possibly not trusting their instrumentation or knowing what conflicting alarms to believe. Speculation is that they pitched up too far, stalled but couldn't recover or perhaps didn't even realize it because on the airbus the STALL alarm self-cancels below a 60-knot indicated airspeed, and simply fell out of the sky. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
