Re: [MBZ] occupying the 3rd row.

2012-08-19 Thread Dieselhead


About ten years ago near here on I-405 one of those longbody Econoline
passenger vans with four rows was caught in a sandwich crash between two semis
and caught fire. Those in the rear were incinerated, alive.

RLE

RLE



people are regularly burned to death or worse in modern gassers made 
by asian and american automakers using in tank electric fuel pumps.


What does that or the prior reference to E-van have to do with 
passengers in an MB Diesel wagon?  None I can see, other than they 
are people in vehicles.  If you don't want the risk, stay in a 
cocoon.   All of life is a series of calculated risks.


3rd seat in a MB wagon, especially Diesel, is safer than in any seat 
in a toada (and probably if you study the statistics, more people are 
killed in porches per passenger mile, than MB wagons)


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Re: [MBZ] occupying the 3rd row.

2012-08-19 Thread RELNGSON

> So then, what would happen to them in case of a rear end
> collision is of no concern.

Huh?  Of course what happens to them in a rear-end collision is
of concern.  But why limit the discussion to only that one kind? What would 
happen to them in a T-bone accident?  I suspect they
would be better off in the third seat. Or a head-on?  I'm sure they would 
be safer in the rear-facing
seat. What about Rollover? Rear-quarter? Front quarter? Space shuttle 
pieces landing on top?  Underwater? So I guess I need to decide which type of 
collision I am going to
encounter and then choose the appropriate vehicle.

In a rear end collision in that vehicle the rear hatch is likely to be 
crushed forward into the very area occupied by those 3rd seat occupants and 
they 
would be trapped until the crushed metal was removed.

> Or how they would escape in case of fire?

See previous answe.r

My suburban carries a large quantity of gasoline.  My wagon
carries diesel.  Therefore the danger from fire is _less_ in
the car with the rear-facing seats.

Why bring up your truck? Was this a comparison with it? Not by me.

So what fire are you referring to?  Where?  Caused by what?
Burning what?  And why is the rear hatch not opening?

Because the rear of the car will be crushed. And isn't the fuel tank aft of 
the axle under that seat?

What is the scenario where you feel a rear-facing 3rd seat is a
greater danger than a forward facing 3rd seat with regard to a fire?

Previously answered. My argument is that the 3rd row's hazards outweigh any 
convenience and it wouldn't make any difference which way it faced.

About ten years ago near here on I-405 one of those longbody Econoline 
passenger vans with four rows was caught in a sandwich crash between two semis 
and caught fire. Those in the rear were incinerated, alive.

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] Lost again?

2012-08-19 Thread Craig
On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:19:25 -0600 Craig  wrote:

> T = TONE
> 1 -- Sixty cycle a.c. or less, very rough and broad
> 2 -- Very rough a.c. , very harsh and broad
> 3 -- Rough a.c. tone, rectified but not filtered
> 4 -- Rough note, some trace of filtering
> 5 -- Filtered rectified a.c. but strongly ripple-modulated
> 6 -- Filtered tone, definite trace of ripple modulation
> 7 -- Near pure tone, trace of ripple modulation
> 8 -- Near perfect tone, slight trace of modulation
> 9 -- Perfect tone, no trace of ripple or modulation of any kind

The third section of RST, tone, is for CW transmissions and is omitted
for voice (or text, as in our case) transmissions.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Lost again?

2012-08-19 Thread Craig
On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:49:23 -0400 Max Dillon 
wrote:

> 5 by 5 refers to signal strength (how loud on a scale of 1 to 5) and
> clarity, meaning "loud and clear". 1 by 1 would mean "can hear that
> you're transmitting but can't understand you." 
> 
> What would 9 mean?

See http://www.hamuniverse.com/rst.html

R = READABILITY
1 -- Unreadable
2 -- Barely readable, occasional words distinguishable
3 -- Readable with considerable difficulty
4 -- Readable with practically no difficulty
5 -- Perfectly readable

S = SIGNAL STRENGTH
1 -- Faint signals, barely perceptible
2 -- Very weak signals
3 -- Weak signals
4 -- Fair signals
5 -- Fairly good signals
6 -- Good signals
7 -- Moderately strong signals
8 -- Strong signals
9 -- Extremely strong signals

T = TONE
1 -- Sixty cycle a.c. or less, very rough and broad
2 -- Very rough a.c. , very harsh and broad
3 -- Rough a.c. tone, rectified but not filtered
4 -- Rough note, some trace of filtering
5 -- Filtered rectified a.c. but strongly ripple-modulated
6 -- Filtered tone, definite trace of ripple modulation
7 -- Near pure tone, trace of ripple modulation
8 -- Near perfect tone, slight trace of modulation
9 -- Perfect tone, no trace of ripple or modulation of any kind


So 5 by 9 is "Perfectly Readable" "Extremely Strong Signals"


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] on topic 300td

2012-08-19 Thread andrew strasfogel
If they are hideously expensive new, as I suspect, I would simply
purchase several used ones.  What's involved in the R/R of the rear
SLS valve?

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> Sounds like it.
>
> When the car is at the proper height, the valve should be closed.
>
> Maybe it's leaking internally?
>
> There used to be a rebuild kit for the valve - check with the Q on that.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 18, 2012, at 8:29 PM, Rick Hawkins Java  wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Here's a rare on topic post ... grin
>>
>> as always, i have a problem with my 82 300td sls system
>>
>> here's the deal
>>
>> when the car is parked, the ass end drops down low
>>
>> BUT as soon as the engine is running, it pumps right up to normal ride height
>>
>> i replaced the spheres with new maybe 4 or 5 years and probably 50k miles ago
>>
>> i have replaced a leaking supply hose to the pump recently as well as one of 
>> the Hi pressure hoses in the engine compartment
>>
>> i have no loss of fluid at all
>>
>> do i have a bad sls valve??
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> xx rick
>> Rick Hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] Lost again?

2012-08-19 Thread Rick Knoble
On Aug 19, 2012, at 6:53 PM, "Rich Thomas" 
 wrote:

> He should turn it up to 11


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeOXsA8sp_E&feature=youtube_gdata_player


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Re: [MBZ] Lost again?

2012-08-19 Thread Rich Thomas

He should turn it up to 11

--R

On 8/19/2012 7:49 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

5 by 5 refers to signal strength (how loud on a scale of 1 to 5) and clarity, meaning "loud 
and clear". 1 by 1 would mean "can hear that you're transmitting but can't understand 
you."

What would 9 mean?


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Re: [MBZ] Lost again?

2012-08-19 Thread Max Dillon
5 by 5 refers to signal strength (how loud on a scale of 1 to 5) and clarity, 
meaning "loud and clear". 1 by 1 would mean "can hear that you're transmitting 
but can't understand you." 

What would 9 mean?
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Craig  wrote:

On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:53:55 -0500 Russ Williams 
wrote:

> Receiving You 5 by 5

Shouldn't that be 5 by 9?


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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus coolant change

2012-08-19 Thread Allan Streib
Dan Penoff  writes:

> I'll also refill with straight AF and check the concentration, since I
> know there will be a fair amount of water left in the system.

Yeah that is my approach as well.  Once I feel that there is more or
less straight water left in the system, I'll add half the capacity of
undiluted coolant, then top off with water.  Resulting in a 50:50 mix.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus coolant change

2012-08-19 Thread Dan Penoff
That's what I did.  I usually drain as completely as possible, fill with tap 
water, drive for a short while with the heater on, cool, drain and refill 
again, drive, cool and drain.

Sort of a "lather, rinse, repeat" thing.

I'll also refill with straight AF and check the concentration, since I know 
there will be a fair amount of water left in the system.  Of course, in this 
climate you don't have to worry about freezing, but I would be a little more 
careful about it if I was north of the Mason-Dixon Line.

Dan


On Aug 19, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

> One other thing I noticed... when you drain the system from the radiator
> petcock, you get about 1 gallon out; the cooling system capacity is 6
> quarts, so there's still 2 quarts left in there "somewhere."
> 
> Meaning if you want to do a really complete change of coolant, you'll
> need to do a few clean-water fill/drain cycles to get most of the old
> coolant out.
> 
> Allan
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus coolant change

2012-08-19 Thread Allan Streib
One other thing I noticed... when you drain the system from the radiator
petcock, you get about 1 gallon out; the cooling system capacity is 6
quarts, so there's still 2 quarts left in there "somewhere."

Meaning if you want to do a really complete change of coolant, you'll
need to do a few clean-water fill/drain cycles to get most of the old
coolant out.

Allan


Dan Penoff  writes:

> Glad to be of assistance.
>
> I used the Ford stuff because I had a couple of gallons left over from my 
> former Crown Vic.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
>
>> Good to hear, thanks.  Off to the garage
>> 
>> BTW I'm going to use G-05 for the refill, I think it's Ford approved and
>> nice to only have to stock one type for the MB and Ford.
>> 
>> Allan
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus coolant change

2012-08-19 Thread Allan Streib
According to wikipedia in 2004 Ford switched over to design based on the
Mazda MZR engine for its I4 engines.  These were given the name Duratec
and were made with varying displacements including the 2.3.

The Zetec line I think was never bigger than a 2.0l except the diesel
Zetec TDCi went up to 2.4l.  Of course we never saw the diesel version
in the states.

Allan

Dan Penoff  writes:

> Interesting - I went in and looked at the part for both my 2004 and 2005 
> (both 2.3l engine) and it looks identical but it's a different vendor and a 
> heck of a lot more expensive.
>
> Mine are a 2004 ZTW wagon and a 2005 ZX5.
>
> Maybe they redesigned it if they were having problems?
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
>
>> Mine is a 2003 "SE" (wagon) which has the 2.0 Zetec DOHC.
>> 
>> Allan
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus coolant change

2012-08-19 Thread Dan Penoff
Interesting - I went in and looked at the part for both my 2004 and 2005 (both 
2.3l engine) and it looks identical but it's a different vendor and a heck of a 
lot more expensive.

Mine are a 2004 ZTW wagon and a 2005 ZX5.

Maybe they redesigned it if they were having problems?

Dan



On Aug 19, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

> Mine is a 2003 "SE" (wagon) which has the 2.0 Zetec DOHC.
> 
> Allan


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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus coolant change

2012-08-19 Thread Allan Streib
Mine is a 2003 "SE" (wagon) which has the 2.0 Zetec DOHC.

Allan

Dan Penoff  writes:

> I can never keep the engines straight on these things.  Both of mine have the 
> 2.3 liter 4.  Is that the Zetec, or is it the 2.0 liter?
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
>
>> Allan Streib  writes:
>> 
>>> A bit of reaseach indicates that this plastic water outlet/thermostat
>>> housing is prone to cracking/leaking on the Ford Zetec.  So I'm betting
>>> that's my problem, for a $50 part I'm not going to risk just changing
>>> the gasket.
>> 
>> I ordered this
>> 
>>  http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1268706
>> 
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus coolant change

2012-08-19 Thread Dan Penoff
I can never keep the engines straight on these things.  Both of mine have the 
2.3 liter 4.  Is that the Zetec, or is it the 2.0 liter?

Dan


On Aug 19, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

> Allan Streib  writes:
> 
>> A bit of reaseach indicates that this plastic water outlet/thermostat
>> housing is prone to cracking/leaking on the Ford Zetec.  So I'm betting
>> that's my problem, for a $50 part I'm not going to risk just changing
>> the gasket.
> 
> I ordered this
> 
>  http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1268706
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus coolant change

2012-08-19 Thread Allan Streib
Allan Streib  writes:

> A bit of reaseach indicates that this plastic water outlet/thermostat
> housing is prone to cracking/leaking on the Ford Zetec.  So I'm betting
> that's my problem, for a $50 part I'm not going to risk just changing
> the gasket.

I ordered this

  http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1268706

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Re: [MBZ] Lost again?

2012-08-19 Thread Craig
On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:53:55 -0500 Russ Williams 
wrote:

> Receiving You 5 by 5

Shouldn't that be 5 by 9?


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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus coolant change

2012-08-19 Thread Max Dillon
I change thermostats every other coolant change.
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'87 300TD

Peter Hertzing  wrote:

Go with new.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 19, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> Well nothing is ever *easy* is it?
> 
> I drained the system, filled with water to flush, and warmed up the
> engine. Once it had reached operating temp I turned it off and
> discovered that the thermostat gasket leaks under pressure. That would
> explain the slow coolant loss I've observed on this car in recent
> months.
> 
> So, off to FLAPS to get a gasket. Wondering about the possibility that
> the housing is warped (it looks to be plastic).
> 
> Should I get a new thermostat as well, or leave the old one as it seems
> to be working fine?
> 
> Allan
> 
> Dan Penoff  writes:
> 
>> Glad to be of assistance.
>> 
>> I used the Ford stuff because I had a couple of gallons left over from my 
>> former Crown Vic.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 19, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
>> 
>>> Good to hear, thanks. Off to the garage
>>> 
>>> BTW I'm going to use G-05 for the refill, I think it's Ford approved and
>>> nice to only have to stock one type for the MB and Ford.
>>> 
>>> Allan
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus coolant change

2012-08-19 Thread Allan Streib
A bit of reaseach indicates that this plastic water outlet/thermostat
housing is prone to cracking/leaking on the Ford Zetec.  So I'm betting
that's my problem, for a $50 part I'm not going to risk just changing
the gasket.

Allan

Allan Streib  writes:

> Well nothing is ever *easy* is it?
>
> I drained the system, filled with water to flush, and warmed up the
> engine.  Once it had reached operating temp I turned it off and
> discovered that the thermostat gasket leaks under pressure.  That would
> explain the slow coolant loss I've observed on this car in recent
> months.
>
> So, off to FLAPS to get a gasket.  Wondering about the possibility that
> the housing is warped (it looks to be plastic).
>
> Should I get a new thermostat as well, or leave the old one as it seems
> to be working fine?
>
> Allan
>
> Dan Penoff  writes:
>
>> Glad to be of assistance.
>>
>> I used the Ford stuff because I had a couple of gallons left over from my 
>> former Crown Vic.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> On Aug 19, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
>>
>>> Good to hear, thanks.  Off to the garage
>>> 
>>> BTW I'm going to use G-05 for the refill, I think it's Ford approved and
>>> nice to only have to stock one type for the MB and Ford.
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus coolant change

2012-08-19 Thread Peter Hertzing
Go with new.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 19, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> Well nothing is ever *easy* is it?
> 
> I drained the system, filled with water to flush, and warmed up the
> engine.  Once it had reached operating temp I turned it off and
> discovered that the thermostat gasket leaks under pressure.  That would
> explain the slow coolant loss I've observed on this car in recent
> months.
> 
> So, off to FLAPS to get a gasket.  Wondering about the possibility that
> the housing is warped (it looks to be plastic).
> 
> Should I get a new thermostat as well, or leave the old one as it seems
> to be working fine?
> 
> Allan
> 
> Dan Penoff  writes:
> 
>> Glad to be of assistance.
>> 
>> I used the Ford stuff because I had a couple of gallons left over from my 
>> former Crown Vic.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 19, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
>> 
>>> Good to hear, thanks.  Off to the garage
>>> 
>>> BTW I'm going to use G-05 for the refill, I think it's Ford approved and
>>> nice to only have to stock one type for the MB and Ford.
>>> 
>>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus coolant change

2012-08-19 Thread Allan Streib
Well nothing is ever *easy* is it?

I drained the system, filled with water to flush, and warmed up the
engine.  Once it had reached operating temp I turned it off and
discovered that the thermostat gasket leaks under pressure.  That would
explain the slow coolant loss I've observed on this car in recent
months.

So, off to FLAPS to get a gasket.  Wondering about the possibility that
the housing is warped (it looks to be plastic).

Should I get a new thermostat as well, or leave the old one as it seems
to be working fine?

Allan

Dan Penoff  writes:

> Glad to be of assistance.
>
> I used the Ford stuff because I had a couple of gallons left over from my 
> former Crown Vic.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
>
>> Good to hear, thanks.  Off to the garage
>> 
>> BTW I'm going to use G-05 for the refill, I think it's Ford approved and
>> nice to only have to stock one type for the MB and Ford.
>> 
>> Allan
>
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Re: [MBZ] Lost again?

2012-08-19 Thread WILTON

Me, either.  That's the point.  Thanks.

Wilton

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Did not see first one.
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WILTON  wrote:

Anybody SEE the first one, that is?

Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost again?



Second posting of 126 trunk lid response went thru; anybody first one?

Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost again?


Test went thru, but my response to Rich re. 126 trunk lid did not. 
Whasup?


Wilton

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Test

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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus coolant change

2012-08-19 Thread Dan Penoff
Glad to be of assistance.

I used the Ford stuff because I had a couple of gallons left over from my 
former Crown Vic.

Dan


On Aug 19, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

> Good to hear, thanks.  Off to the garage
> 
> BTW I'm going to use G-05 for the refill, I think it's Ford approved and
> nice to only have to stock one type for the MB and Ford.
> 
> Allan


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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus coolant change

2012-08-19 Thread Allan Streib
Good to hear, thanks.  Off to the garage

BTW I'm going to use G-05 for the refill, I think it's Ford approved and
nice to only have to stock one type for the MB and Ford.

Allan

Dan Penoff  writes:

> Yup.
>
> Pretty straightforward as far as I found.  Drain the radiator from the bottom 
> drain (plastic - ugh! flush with clear water several times and then refill 
> with the proper Ford gold coolant.
>
> I never had a problem with air pockets or overheating.  This has been done on 
> both of my Focuses by me without any issues.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
>
>> Want to change out the coolant in our '03 Focus before winter.  I've
>> found some postings that say it's a simple drain/fill operation, others
>> talk about extreme difficulty getting air purged and subsequent random
>> overheating.
>> 
>> Any Focus owners (Dan?) done this?
>> 
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus coolant change

2012-08-19 Thread Dan Penoff
Yup.

Pretty straightforward as far as I found.  Drain the radiator from the bottom 
drain (plastic - ugh! flush with clear water several times and then refill with 
the proper Ford gold coolant.

I never had a problem with air pockets or overheating.  This has been done on 
both of my Focuses by me without any issues.

Dan


On Aug 19, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

> Want to change out the coolant in our '03 Focus before winter.  I've
> found some postings that say it's a simple drain/fill operation, others
> talk about extreme difficulty getting air purged and subsequent random
> overheating.
> 
> Any Focus owners (Dan?) done this?
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Lost again?

2012-08-19 Thread Max Dillon
Did not see first one.
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WILTON  wrote:

Anybody SEE the first one, that is?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost again?


> Second posting of 126 trunk lid response went thru; anybody first one?
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "WILTON" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost again?
> 
> 
>> Test went thru, but my response to Rich re. 126 trunk lid did not. 
>> Whasup?
>>
>> Wilton
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Russ Williams" 
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost again?
>>
>>
>>> Receiving You 5 by 5
>>> On 8/19/2012 12:50, WILTON wrote:
 Test

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[MBZ] OT Ford Focus coolant change

2012-08-19 Thread Allan Streib
Want to change out the coolant in our '03 Focus before winter.  I've
found some postings that say it's a simple drain/fill operation, others
talk about extreme difficulty getting air purged and subsequent random
overheating.

Any Focus owners (Dan?) done this?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Lost again?

2012-08-19 Thread Allan Streib
All your emails are coming through.  Quit worrying so much.

"WILTON"  writes:

> Second posting of 126 trunk lid response went thru; anybody first one?
>
> Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] Lost again?

2012-08-19 Thread Russ Williams

Nope
On 8/19/2012 13:05, WILTON wrote:

Anybody SEE the first one, that is?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost again?



Second posting of 126 trunk lid response went thru; anybody first one?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost again?


Test went thru, but my response to Rich re. 126 trunk lid did not. 
Whasup?


Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost again?



Receiving You 5 by 5
On 8/19/2012 12:50, WILTON wrote:

Test

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Re: [MBZ] Lost again?

2012-08-19 Thread WILTON

Anybody SEE the first one, that is?

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost again?



Second posting of 126 trunk lid response went thru; anybody first one?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost again?


Test went thru, but my response to Rich re. 126 trunk lid did not. 
Whasup?


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost again?



Receiving You 5 by 5
On 8/19/2012 12:50, WILTON wrote:

Test

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Re: [MBZ] Lost again?

2012-08-19 Thread WILTON

Second posting of 126 trunk lid response went thru; anybody first one?

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost again?


Test went thru, but my response to Rich re. 126 trunk lid did not. 
Whasup?


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost again?



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Test

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[MBZ] 126 trunk lid

2012-08-19 Thread WILTON


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Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: 126 trunk lid


They're bolted.  Jobs 68-449 remove rear side panel covers; 68-458 remove 
hat rack; 68-480 remove trunk cover; 88-512 remove hinge.  Evidently, 
accessible from above via hat rack.


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: 126 trunk lid


Don't they just bolt on to the body up under there?  Or is a bracket 
welded in?  Not at home to go look at a car so I don't know and don't 
recall.


-R

On 8/19/2012 11:55 AM, WILTON wrote:
Yes, it was blue.  Thanks, but please don't bother with it, though, 
unless you find it to be very simple, straight forward and easy to get 
the springs. According to Service Manual CD, it appears to be 
significantly more involved to R&R the hinges than I care to mess with 
right now.  'Don't know if springs can simply be compressed a bit and 
removed readily, or not - 'been too hot to investigate more.  'May be 
heretical, but I've managed to dampen the violent opening of the lid by 
securing/hiding several small zip lock bags (about 5 pounds) of lead 
wheel weights inside the cavity across rear of the lid.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: 126 trunk lid


Maybe I could do that if I am out that way next week.  It was off the 
blue car,right?


--R

On 7/2/2012 10:32 PM, WILTON wrote:

'Not that simple.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: 126 trunk lid



Or go bad to the yard and get the correct hinges and springs.

Rick
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On Jul 2, 2012, at 6:28 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:

I believe the springs are different. Might want to check with the Q 
to see how cheap they are.


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Re: [MBZ] Lost again?

2012-08-19 Thread WILTON

Test went thru, but my response to Rich re. 126 trunk lid did not.  Whasup?

Wilton

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Test

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Re: [MBZ] Lost again?

2012-08-19 Thread Russ Williams

Receiving You 5 by 5
On 8/19/2012 12:50, WILTON wrote:

Test

Wilton
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[MBZ] Lost again?

2012-08-19 Thread WILTON
Test

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 126 trunk lid

2012-08-19 Thread Rich Thomas
Don't they just bolt on to the body up under there?  Or is a bracket 
welded in?  Not at home to go look at a car so I don't know and don't 
recall.


-R

On 8/19/2012 11:55 AM, WILTON wrote:
Yes, it was blue.  Thanks, but please don't bother with it, though, 
unless you find it to be very simple, straight forward and easy to get 
the springs. According to Service Manual CD, it appears to be 
significantly more involved to R&R the hinges than I care to mess with 
right now.  'Don't know if springs can simply be compressed a bit and 
removed readily, or not - 'been too hot to investigate more.  'May be 
heretical, but I've managed to dampen the violent opening of the lid 
by securing/hiding several small zip lock bags (about 5 pounds) of 
lead wheel weights inside the cavity across rear of the lid.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: 126 trunk lid


Maybe I could do that if I am out that way next week.  It was off the 
blue car,right?


--R

On 7/2/2012 10:32 PM, WILTON wrote:

'Not that simple.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rick Knoble" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: 126 trunk lid



Or go bad to the yard and get the correct hinges and springs.

Rick
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 2, 2012, at 6:28 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:

I believe the springs are different. Might want to check with the 
Q to see how cheap they are.


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 126 trunk lid

2012-08-19 Thread WILTON
Yes, it was blue.  Thanks, but please don't bother with it, though, unless 
you find it to be very simple, straight forward and easy to get the springs. 
According to Service Manual CD, it appears to be significantly more involved 
to R&R the hinges than I care to mess with right now.  'Don't know if 
springs can simply be compressed a bit and removed readily, or not - 'been 
too hot to investigate more.  'May be heretical, but I've managed to dampen 
the violent opening of the lid by securing/hiding several small zip lock 
bags (about 5 pounds) of lead wheel weights inside the cavity across rear of 
the lid.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: 126 trunk lid


Maybe I could do that if I am out that way next week.  It was off the blue 
car,right?


--R

On 7/2/2012 10:32 PM, WILTON wrote:

'Not that simple.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rick Knoble" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: 126 trunk lid



Or go bad to the yard and get the correct hinges and springs.

Rick
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 2, 2012, at 6:28 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:

I believe the springs are different. Might want to check with the Q to 
see how cheap they are.


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Re: [MBZ] Fuel economy most important

2012-08-19 Thread Max Dillon
Roger, When you were a child, did your parents make you sit buckled into a 
child seat or a booster seat? Somehow I doubt it. Times have changed quite a 
bit. My siblings and I were NEVER buckled in, family never owned baby seat, 
child or booster seat. None of us died or was even seriously injured, and there 
were a few collisions and crashes over the years. Highway death rates fall 
almost every year, the amount of "safety" built into new vehicles is truly 
amazing. 
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

relng...@aol.com wrote:

> ...Sounds about like my S123.  I use - well, I make the _kids_ use
> - the rear facing seat.  None of them really like it.  But the
> gasoline Suburban is pricey to drive compared to the 300TD..
> 
So then, what would happen to them in case of a rear end collision is of no 
concern. Or how they would escape in case of fire?

RLE



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Re: [MBZ] GL pricing and fixing and shifting Whitworth

2012-08-19 Thread Max Dillon
I nominate this for the quotes page, Kaleb:
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Hendrik & Fay  wrote:

>In Australia it is necessary to shorten words as much as 
>possible, due to the numerous flies. Plus it's hard to talk and drink 
>beer at the same time, made even worse if you smoke.
>
>Hendrik
>who hasn't swallowed that many flies
>

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Re: [MBZ] Not a haggis fan

2012-08-19 Thread Gerry Archer

...Roger must be a Scot.
Gerrypart Scot..


I'm a Norwegian. Pass the herring.
RLE


Out of herring.  How about some lutefisk?  [:o)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutefisk#Humor

Gerry...who has never eaten lutefisk, has eaten Vietnamese nuoc mam, but 
won't do it again.
http://www.pbs.org/hitchhikingvietnam/life/food2.html 



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