Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

2012-10-26 Thread Mitch Haley

Rick Knoble wrote:

I use Mobil 1 ATF as it is cheaper. Amsoil makes fine products too. 
Mobil 1ATF is thought of as an elixer for tired transmissions by some folks. I would expect Amsoil to perform nearly as well, if not as well as Mobil 1. 


I don't think Amsoil makes anything, I think they buy it from Mobil.
I generally assume that Amsoil products are what Mobil One would be if Mobil 
didn't shave costs to maximize profit.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Flying in Russia

2012-10-26 Thread Mitch Haley

relng...@aol.com wrote:

http://www.nycaviation.com/2012/10/is-this-the-most-dangerous-takeoff-ever-captured-on-video/#.UIlyoIbkaSo


I thought Russian airports had access to plow trucks for snow removal.
That runway is in serious need of plowing.

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Re: [MBZ] BB Pictures - A New Thread!

2012-10-26 Thread Rich Thomas

your prolly rite

--R
On 10/26/12 12:20 AM, Fmiser wrote:

On 10/25/12 11:25 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

What needs to be done to enable my BB torch so I can email
photos? The camera works fine but when I attempt to email
a picture singly or as an attachment they don't transmit!
Instead there is the following transaction error:
failure at service.

Rich Thomas wrote:

What is a BB torch?

Craig wrote:

Good question. Ball bearing? Brigit Bardot? Black and bruised?

Based on the rest of his post, I'm going to hazard a wild guess
and say Blackberry.

Hah!  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_Torch

Seems I _could_ be right.

--  Philip, who despises un-defined acronyms.

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Re: [MBZ] BB Pictures - A New Thread!

2012-10-26 Thread Dieselhead
Aw, you took all the fun out of it.  I was envisioning a catheyesque 
thing that shoots out melted BBs.







  Rich Thomas wrote:
 
  What is a BB torch?



 Craig wrote:

 Good question. Ball bearing? Brigit Bardot? Black and bruised?


Based on the rest of his post, I'm going to hazard a wild guess
and say Blackberry.

Hah!  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_Torch

Seems I _could_ be right.

--  Philip, who despises un-defined acronyms.


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Re: [MBZ] BB Pictures - A New Thread!

2012-10-26 Thread Jim Cathey

I was envisioning a catheyesque thing that shoots out melted BBs.


_Hot_ BB's!  We used to _dream_ of _hot_ BB's.  We had
to use _cold_ BB's, _and_ called ourselves lucky.  Kids
these days...

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] BB Pictures - A New Thread!

2012-10-26 Thread Rich Thomas

I had to shoot mine uphill, both ways!

--R
On 10/26/12 10:23 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

I was envisioning a catheyesque thing that shoots out melted BBs.


_Hot_ BB's!  We used to _dream_ of _hot_ BB's.  We had
to use _cold_ BB's, _and_ called ourselves lucky.  Kids
these days...

-- Jim



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[MBZ] Starting my 240D With a Wire

2012-10-26 Thread Bob Rentfro
How do start my 240D using a jumper down around the starter? Never done it
before. Need to get the car home so I can continue electrical
troubleshooting.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Starting my 240D With a Wire

2012-10-26 Thread Russ Williams
Jump the Pos wire from Battery to the small terminal next to it. I use a 
remote

starter switch from FLAPS for this.
Also you can push start it too.
BTW will pull your parts this weekend.

Russ
On 10/26/2012 10:43, Bob Rentfro wrote:

How do start my 240D using a jumper down around the starter? Never done it
before. Need to get the car home so I can continue electrical
troubleshooting.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Starting my 240D With a Wire

2012-10-26 Thread Craig
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:43:34 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote:

 How do start my 240D using a jumper down around the starter? Never done
 it before. Need to get the car home so I can continue electrical
 troubleshooting.

At the top of the starter is the solenoid, a smaller cylinder parallel to
the large cylinder that is the starter motor.

On the front end of the solenoid are three terminals, two large and one
small. The top large terminal has a cable going to the battery. The
bottom large terminal has a jumper that goes into the starter motor. The
small terminal is the one that powers the solenoid.

Using a large screwdriver, short the small terminal to the top terminal.
This will power the solenoid, causing its movable core to be pulled to
the front, simultaneously pushing the Bendix gear into the flywheel's
teeth and shorting the top large terminal to the bottom large terminal,
causing the starter motor to turn.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

2012-10-26 Thread Curt Raymond
Many old-timers will steer you away from synthetic because of unspecified 
troubles they've heard about. Its the Guy down at pub phenomenon. They heard 
from a guy down at the pub that synthetic oil/ATF/grease/whatever is bad stuff 
so they'll never use it. Never mind that they have no first hand experience 
with the stuff.

Yes seals will often leak when changing to synthetic lubricants as crud gets 
cleaned away but frequently the seals will then swell and the same leaks will 
then seal up. I've seen this many times when switching to synthetic engine oil.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:34:40 -0700
From: Alan Clarke alanc...@pacbell.net
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
Message-ID: 508a04d0.4040...@pacbell.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Wanted some advise or thoughts on using Amsoil ATF in my 85 Turbo. It is 
a synthetic rated as a Dexron II and III replacement.  One mechanic I 
respect thought it was bad idea to use for reasons of causing leaking 
seals and the like in an older tranny.  The tranny has been serviced 
regularly and has under 150K mile.  Another mechanic who works on 
Mercedes thought it would be OK as long as it was an approved fluid by 
MBZ for their vehicles.   I'm not sure if it's approved or not.  Does 
anyone have any information and or thoughts about the use of synthetic 
Amsoil ATF in an older 123 Diesel with a 722.315 transmission?


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Re: [MBZ] Starting my 240D With a Wire

2012-10-26 Thread Max Dillon
Use something big like a screwdriver or wrench, as the current draw is big.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Russ Williams rawil...@eatel.net wrote:

Jump the Pos wire from Battery to the small terminal next to it. I use
a 
remote
starter switch from FLAPS for this.
Also you can push start it too.
BTW will pull your parts this weekend.

Russ
On 10/26/2012 10:43, Bob Rentfro wrote:
 How do start my 240D using a jumper down around the starter? Never
done it
 before. Need to get the car home so I can continue electrical
 troubleshooting.

 Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Texas Car Wars, etc.

2012-10-26 Thread andrew strasfogel
SInce they don't expect to drive these forever, they probably don't
care all that much to do their due diligence.

Tars - I like that one.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:02 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 I 'spose you guys have seen the TV show Texas Car Wars and coupla other 
 such car flipping shows.  Rusty heap cars are rescued from junk/salvage 
 yards, and most of them don't seem to get much more than new paint, 
 upholstery, shiny wheels, tars, sometimes another used engine and/or tranny, 
 etc.; cars often flipped/sold in a week or less.  Buyers don't seem to ever 
 look under them.  In spite of all that shiny new paint, upholstery, etc., how 
 can they not basically still be rusty POS?

 Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] BB Pictures - A New Thread!

2012-10-26 Thread andrew strasfogel
Hey stay on topic. This is about me and my malfunctioning BlackBerry
Torch that won't share it photos.


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 I had to shoot mine uphill, both ways!

 --R

 On 10/26/12 10:23 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

 I was envisioning a catheyesque thing that shoots out melted BBs.


 _Hot_ BB's!  We used to _dream_ of _hot_ BB's.  We had
 to use _cold_ BB's, _and_ called ourselves lucky.  Kids
 these days...

 -- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Texas Car Wars, etc.

2012-10-26 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
The good restorers replace rusted panels and cut out all floor and frame rust 
as well as media-blasting. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2012, at 2:15 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

SInce they don't expect to drive these forever, they probably don't
care all that much to do their due diligence.

Tars - I like that one.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:02 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
I 'spose you guys have seen the TV show Texas Car Wars and coupla other such 
car flipping shows.  Rusty heap cars are rescued from junk/salvage yards, and 
most of them don't seem to get much more than new paint, upholstery, shiny 
wheels, tars, sometimes another used engine and/or tranny, etc.; cars often 
flipped/sold in a week or less.  Buyers don't seem to ever look under them.  In 
spite of all that shiny new paint, upholstery, etc., how can they not basically 
still be rusty POS?

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] BB Pictures - A New Thread!

2012-10-26 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Buy an iPhone. Become an iSheep:)

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2012, at 2:20 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

Hey stay on topic. This is about me and my malfunctioning BlackBerry
Torch that won't share it photos.


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
I had to shoot mine uphill, both ways!

--R

On 10/26/12 10:23 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

I was envisioning a catheyesque thing that shoots out melted BBs.


_Hot_ BB's!  We used to _dream_ of _hot_ BB's.  We had
to use _cold_ BB's, _and_ called ourselves lucky.  Kids
these days...

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] BB Pictures - A New Thread!

2012-10-26 Thread andrew strasfogel
This is an emergency.  SWMBO took photos of the Chihuly Garden exhibit
in Seattle and wants to share them.  I am running out of options.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Buy an iPhone. Become an iSheep:)

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 26, 2012, at 2:20 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey stay on topic. This is about me and my malfunctioning BlackBerry
 Torch that won't share it photos.


 On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Rich Thomas
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 I had to shoot mine uphill, both ways!

 --R

 On 10/26/12 10:23 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

 I was envisioning a catheyesque thing that shoots out melted BBs.


 _Hot_ BB's!  We used to _dream_ of _hot_ BB's.  We had
 to use _cold_ BB's, _and_ called ourselves lucky.  Kids
 these days...

 -- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] BB Pictures - A New Thread!

2012-10-26 Thread Dieselhead
Pucher pichers on the the wall there podner, and we'll use our BB 
torches to shoot flamin melted BBS at em.




Hey stay on topic. This is about me and my malfunctioning BlackBerry
Torch that won't share it photos.



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Re: [MBZ] BB Pictures - A New Thread!

2012-10-26 Thread Dieselhead

This is an emergency.  SWMBO took photos of the Chihuly Garden exhibit
in Seattle and wants to share them.  I am running out of options.


Mail the phone to em.



I had one of those chihueyhueys once.

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Re: [MBZ] BB Pictures - A New Thread!

2012-10-26 Thread andrew strasfogel
Very creative.  Any other suggestons?  I am in the midst of removing
the battery for a time-out.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is an emergency.  SWMBO took photos of the Chihuly Garden exhibit
 in Seattle and wants to share them.  I am running out of options.


 Mail the phone to em.



 I had one of those chihueyhueys once.


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Re: [MBZ] BB Pictures - A New Thread!

2012-10-26 Thread Rich Thomas
Or email the piccies to yourself then you have them.  Does the bb act 
like a hard drive when you connect it or does it need the special 
sauceware to send the piccies to the dumputer?


Aren't chihulys those things they serve at Taco Bell?

--R

On 10/26/12 3:15 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

Very creative.  Any other suggestons?  I am in the midst of removing
the battery for a time-out.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

This is an emergency.  SWMBO took photos of the Chihuly Garden exhibit
in Seattle and wants to share them.  I am running out of options.


Mail the phone to em.



I had one of those chihueyhueys once.


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Re: [MBZ] BB Pictures - A New Thread!

2012-10-26 Thread andrew strasfogel
BTDT.  It fails for any email address.
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 Or email the piccies to yourself then you have them.  Does the bb act like a
 hard drive when you connect it or does it need the special sauceware to send
 the piccies to the dumputer?

 Aren't chihulys those things they serve at Taco Bell?

 --R


 On 10/26/12 3:15 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

 Very creative.  Any other suggestons?  I am in the midst of removing
 the battery for a time-out.

 On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is an emergency.  SWMBO took photos of the Chihuly Garden exhibit
 in Seattle and wants to share them.  I am running out of options.


 Mail the phone to em.



 I had one of those chihueyhueys once.


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Re: [MBZ] BB Pictures - A New Thread!

2012-10-26 Thread Tim C
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 Or email the piccies to yourself then you have them.  Does the bb act like a

This.  Or Dropbox app, maybe, if there is such a thing in app world.

 hard drive when you connect it or does it need the special sauceware to send
 the piccies to the dumputer?

Used to be you had to download the Blackberry application, but that
was back when the phones were described numerically.  Might still be
that way, though; check the RIM web site to see if there is a
downloadable driver.

Erm Google says I'm wrong, you should be able to connect it to the
computer and view it like a USB drive.  :\DCIM\something\*.jpg = your
pictures.  If that doesn't work straight off,

http://btsc.webapps.blackberry.com/btsc/viewdocument.do?noCount=trueexternalId=KB19717sliceId=1cmd=displayKCdocType=kcViewedDocsListHelper=com.kanisa.apps.common.BaseViewedDocsListHelperImpl

 Aren't chihulys those things they serve at Taco Bell?

Sounds like something Goofy would say.

Best,
-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] BB Pictures - A New Thread!

2012-10-26 Thread Greg Fiorentino
Well for the emergency transfer of photos, connect to a PC with USB cable or
Bluetooth  and send to the PC, then email from the PC.  OR store the photo
to the BB micro SD card, then use an adapter and USB adapter to get the
photo onto the PC.  OR send the photo as a multimedia attachment to a text
message and send to another phone that isn't crippled.

Or read some of the silly replies and just become frustrated!

Greg

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Subject: [MBZ] BB Pictures - A New Thread!

What needs to be done to enable my BB torch so I can email photos?
The camera works fine but when I attempt to email a picture singly or as an
attachment they don't transmit!  Instead there is the following transaction
error:  failure at service.  Was ist los?

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Re: [MBZ] BB Pictures - A New Thread!

2012-10-26 Thread Rick Knoble

On Oct 26, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

 Or Dropbox app, maybe, if there is such a thing in app world.

Yes there is. Very convenient. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

2012-10-26 Thread Tim C
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Yes seals will often leak when changing to synthetic lubricants as crud gets 
 cleaned away but frequently the seals will then swell and the same leaks will 
 then seal up. I've seen this many times when switching to synthetic engine 
 oil.

What Curt said.  The early leaking often turns people off, but as the
seals get properly lubricated they will (usually) get back into shape.

I imagine you have some small chance that the loosened old-oil crud
will get stuck in something, but in my opinion the longevity benefits
of proper lubrication vastly outweigh that risk.  Still might be worth
changing filters at the halfway point, just the same, after a switch.

Best,
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Re: [MBZ] BB Pictures - A New Thread!

2012-10-26 Thread Rick Knoble
On Oct 26, 2012, at 1:20 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey stay on topic. This is about me and my malfunctioning BlackBerry
 Torch that won't share it photos.


Good luck with that on this list. 
Hahahaha. 

http://supportforums.blackberry.com/t5/BlackBerry-Torch/unable-so-send-pictures-to-facebook-bbm-or-via-bluetooth/td-p/978519

http://forums.crackberry.com/forum-f6/how-do-you-e-mail-pictures-blackberry-8529/

http://www.blackberryforums.com/general-9800-series-discussion-torch/238135-sending-pictures-problem-bb-torch-9800-rogers.html

If nothing else, you now have a couple more forums to search. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Starting my 240D With a Wire

2012-10-26 Thread Randy Bennell

On 26/10/2012 11:26 AM, Max Dillon wrote:

Use something big like a screwdriver or wrench, as the current draw is big.



this may be truly obvious BUT

do not let the wrench or screwdriver or whatever you use, touch ANYTHING 
else.

If you touch it to ground you are going to see sparks.

The idea of using a push button device intended for such is a good idea. 
The alligator clips supplied will normally have a rubber shield around 
them to prevent troubles like that.


I doubt you need to use anything too heavy duty as all you are doing is 
energizing the coil on the solenoid. Solenoid is just an automotive word 
for a relay.
The solenoid will be the thing that is subject to the big current draw 
and not your wrench or screwdriver.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Texas Car Wars, etc.

2012-10-26 Thread Randy Bennell
The REALLY GOOD restorers weld in new pieces to replace the rusty stuff 
that the good restorers cut out.


Randy


On 26/10/2012 1:32 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

The good restorers replace rusted panels and cut out all floor and frame rust 
as well as media-blasting.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2012, at 2:15 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

SInce they don't expect to drive these forever, they probably don't
care all that much to do their due diligence.

Tars - I like that one.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:02 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
I 'spose you guys have seen the TV show Texas Car Wars and coupla other such car 
flipping shows.  Rusty heap cars are rescued from junk/salvage yards, and most of them 
don't seem to get much more than new paint, upholstery, shiny wheels, tars, sometimes another used 
engine and/or tranny, etc.; cars often flipped/sold in a week or less.  Buyers don't seem to ever 
look under them.  In spite of all that shiny new paint, upholstery, etc., how can they not 
basically still be rusty POS?

Wilton




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Re: [MBZ] OT - Texas Car Wars, etc.

2012-10-26 Thread WILTON

Yes, a good RESTORER - part of the point.  What a very quick-time flipper?

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Texas Car Wars, etc.


The good restorers replace rusted panels and cut out all floor and frame 
rust as well as media-blasting.


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2012, at 2:15 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com 
wrote:


SInce they don't expect to drive these forever, they probably don't
care all that much to do their due diligence.

Tars - I like that one.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:02 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
I 'spose you guys have seen the TV show Texas Car Wars and coupla other 
such car flipping shows.  Rusty heap cars are rescued from junk/salvage 
yards, and most of them don't seem to get much more than new paint, 
upholstery, shiny wheels, tars, sometimes another used engine and/or 
tranny, etc.; cars often flipped/sold in a week or less.  Buyers don't 
seem to ever look under them.  In spite of all that shiny new paint, 
upholstery, etc., how can they not basically still be rusty POS?


Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Texas Car Wars, etc.

2012-10-26 Thread WILTON

I MEANT, What ABOUT a very quick-time 'flipper?'
'Point is:  I don't think these guys are doing a proper RESTORATION in 4 or 
5, etc., days.
What they're doing is cleaning, sanding, painting, etc., to make 'em look 
good until cash is in hand.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Texas Car Wars, etc.


Yes, a good RESTORER - part of the point.  What a very quick-time 
flipper?


Wilton

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From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Texas Car Wars, etc.


The good restorers replace rusted panels and cut out all floor and frame 
rust as well as media-blasting.


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2012, at 2:15 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com 
wrote:


SInce they don't expect to drive these forever, they probably don't
care all that much to do their due diligence.

Tars - I like that one.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:02 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
I 'spose you guys have seen the TV show Texas Car Wars and coupla other 
such car flipping shows.  Rusty heap cars are rescued from junk/salvage 
yards, and most of them don't seem to get much more than new paint, 
upholstery, shiny wheels, tars, sometimes another used engine and/or 
tranny, etc.; cars often flipped/sold in a week or less.  Buyers don't 
seem to ever look under them.  In spite of all that shiny new paint, 
upholstery, etc., how can they not basically still be rusty POS?


Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Texas Car Wars, etc.

2012-10-26 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Yeah 4 or 5 days - impossible. Chip Foose does a proper job in a week but then 
again he has thirty people working on the car'

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2012, at 4:43 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

I MEANT, What ABOUT a very quick-time 'flipper?'
'Point is:  I don't think these guys are doing a proper RESTORATION in 4 or 5, 
etc., days.
What they're doing is cleaning, sanding, painting, etc., to make 'em look good 
until cash is in hand.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Texas Car Wars, etc.


Yes, a good RESTORER - part of the point.  What a very quick-time flipper?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Texas Car Wars, etc.


The good restorers replace rusted panels and cut out all floor and frame rust 
as well as media-blasting.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2012, at 2:15 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

SInce they don't expect to drive these forever, they probably don't
care all that much to do their due diligence.

Tars - I like that one.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:02 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
I 'spose you guys have seen the TV show Texas Car Wars and coupla other such 
car flipping shows.  Rusty heap cars are rescued from junk/salvage yards, and 
most of them don't seem to get much more than new paint, upholstery, shiny 
wheels, tars, sometimes another used engine and/or tranny, etc.; cars often 
flipped/sold in a week or less.  Buyers don't seem to ever look under them.  In 
spite of all that shiny new paint, upholstery, etc., how can they not basically 
still be rusty POS?

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] BB Pictures - A New Thread!

2012-10-26 Thread Dieselhead

Does it have a removable memory card?  Or a slot for one?

The only way I can get pictures off my phone is to save them on the 
card, then I take the card out, put it in an usb adapter and plug it 
in the computer.


Otherwise I have to pay the verizon extortionists a quarter a 
picture.  THat is BS.  They already get more money that they deserve, 
and I won't pay them for my own pictures.




BTDT.  It fails for any email address.
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 Or email the piccies to yourself then you have them.  Does the bb act like a
 hard drive when you connect it or does it need the special sauceware to send
 the piccies to the dumputer?

 Aren't chihulys those things they serve at Taco Bell?

 --R


 On 10/26/12 3:15 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:


 Very creative.  Any other suggestons?  I am in the midst of removing
 the battery for a time-out.

 On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:


 This is an emergency.  SWMBO took photos of the Chihuly Garden exhibit
 in Seattle and wants to share them.  I am running out of options.



 Mail the phone to em.



 I had one of those chihueyhueys once.


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Re: [MBZ] CL crrrrrrackhead.

2012-10-26 Thread Rich Thomas

Looks like a Bentley Turbo R with all the black-out stuff.

--R

On 10/26/12 5:21 PM, Rolf wrote:

http://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/3366107362.html

If thats the real thing, I would think that it would get more on the 
market with that kind of mileage..


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Re: [MBZ] CL crrrrrrackhead.

2012-10-26 Thread WILTON
Oh, yeah, the non-standard wheels, blackened chrome, AMG steering wheel and 
the analog phone antenna really make that a car to desire, but, alas, I'm 
gonna hafta let it go.  Now, what did I do with that barf bag?


Wilton

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From: Rolf r...@winmutt.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:21 PM
Subject: [MBZ] CL crrackhead.



http://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/3366107362.html

If thats the real thing, I would think that it would get more on the 
market with that kind of mileage..


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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

2012-10-26 Thread Alan Clarke
My thanks to those that responded. It was confusing because MBZ has a 
list of recommended fluids. According to Amzoil, who I called, the 
specification is the Dextron III specification and they say that is the 
critical thing that the fluid meet, which is what I think you were 
saying. It is recommended on their website which I think gives them 
legal liability. Something they don't do, by the way, with the Amzoil 
that I have been using for the engine: Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel  
Marine Motor Oil *SAE 15W-40 (AME)*. They do recommend a 5W-30 European 
Oil so apparently it meets some European spec. He was saying that was 
possibly meeting an emissions criteria so I'm not going to worry about 
it. Again, thanks all.





On 10/25/2012 10:19 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

On Oct 25, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Alan Clarke alanc...@pacbell.net wrote:


  Does anyone have any information and or thoughts about the use of synthetic 
Amsoil ATF in an older 123 Diesel with a 722.315 transmission?


This meets the MB spec

http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/atf.aspx

That is specified here

http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/d/d/en/Spec_231_1.pdf

I use Mobil 1 ATF as it is cheaper. Amsoil makes fine products too.
Mobil 1ATF is thought of as an elixer for tired transmissions by some folks. I 
would expect Amsoil to perform nearly as well, if not as well as Mobil 1.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Starting my 240D With a Wire

2012-10-26 Thread Bob Rentfro
What gauge wire is used in these device?

Bob R
On Oct 26, 2012 1:27 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 On 26/10/2012 11:26 AM, Max Dillon wrote:

 Use something big like a screwdriver or wrench, as the current draw is
 big.



 this may be truly obvious BUT

 do not let the wrench or screwdriver or whatever you use, touch ANYTHING
 else.
 If you touch it to ground you are going to see sparks.

 The idea of using a push button device intended for such is a good idea.
 The alligator clips supplied will normally have a rubber shield around them
 to prevent troubles like that.

 I doubt you need to use anything too heavy duty as all you are doing is
 energizing the coil on the solenoid. Solenoid is just an automotive word
 for a relay.
 The solenoid will be the thing that is subject to the big current draw and
 not your wrench or screwdriver.

 Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Starting my 240D With a Wire

2012-10-26 Thread Randy Bennell

nothing significant - like lamp cord

Randy

On 26/10/2012 4:42 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote:

What gauge wire is used in these device?

Bob R
On Oct 26, 2012 1:27 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:


On 26/10/2012 11:26 AM, Max Dillon wrote:


Use something big like a screwdriver or wrench, as the current draw is
big.



this may be truly obvious BUT

do not let the wrench or screwdriver or whatever you use, touch ANYTHING
else.
If you touch it to ground you are going to see sparks.

The idea of using a push button device intended for such is a good idea.
The alligator clips supplied will normally have a rubber shield around them
to prevent troubles like that.

I doubt you need to use anything too heavy duty as all you are doing is
energizing the coil on the solenoid. Solenoid is just an automotive word
for a relay.
The solenoid will be the thing that is subject to the big current draw and
not your wrench or screwdriver.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

2012-10-26 Thread Mitch Haley

Alan Clarke wrote:
My thanks to those that responded. It was confusing because MBZ has a 
list of recommended fluids. According to Amzoil, who I called, the 
specification is the Dextron III specification and they say that is the 
critical thing that the fluid meet, which is what I think you were 
saying. It is recommended on their website which I think gives them 
legal liability. Something they don't do, by the way, with the Amzoil 
that I have been using for the engine: Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel  
Marine Motor Oil *SAE 15W-40 (AME)*. They do recommend a 5W-30 European 
Oil so apparently it meets some European spec. He was saying that was 
possibly meeting an emissions criteria so I'm not going to worry about 
it. Again, thanks all.


The 15W40 is probably good stuff for your engine. 5W40 or 15W50 Mobil One are 
fine too.


Don't put 5W30 anything in a W123 diesel. Probably not in any MBZ diesel, I 
think the CDI engines require 0W40.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

2012-10-26 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Good research Rick... the specs are important, especially the older ones
listed there.  The Amsoil looks like it will work..

I'm a big fan of Febi 08971... you can find it by look up the equivalent MB
part number 000 989 92 03 on various sites on the internet.

It does wonders for improving the shift quality on 722.0, 1, 2, 3, 4
transmissions...  And its a Dexron IID fluid.  Its not backward compatible
with older transmissions  its made for older transmissions.

Jaime


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:

 On Oct 25, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Alan Clarke alanc...@pacbell.net wrote:

   Does anyone have any information and or thoughts about the use of
 synthetic Amsoil ATF in an older 123 Diesel with a 722.315 transmission?


 This meets the MB spec

 http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/atf.aspx

 That is specified here

 http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/d/d/en/Spec_231_1.pdf

 I use Mobil 1 ATF as it is cheaper. Amsoil makes fine products too.
 Mobil 1ATF is thought of as an elixer for tired transmissions by some
 folks. I would expect Amsoil to perform nearly as well, if not as well as
 Mobil 1.

 Rick
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Re: [MBZ] hot topic?

2012-10-26 Thread clay monroe
I can see that being an issue.  Synth in a garage queen may not be cost 
effective.  If you swap out oil every year even if you do not make the miles, I 
guess dino is just as good.  Putting it every other place is a better deal.  
Not enough wear on the fluid in the trans or diff, so you can keep it there for 
the life of the part, or you hit the miles.  Most people leave standard quality 
fluids in for far too long, might as well keep good stuff in there instead


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On Oct 25, 2012, at 4:23 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

 I'm with Clay, I think this is the BEST time to change to synthetics...
 
 That said I probably wouldn't bother for engine oil. Randy doesn't drive the 
 car that much and doesn't drive it during the winter so he's not likely to 
 get any of the real advantages synthetic would provide.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:49:10 -0400
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] hot topic?
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 Wow!  If you guys carry all of these spares where do you put anything
 else?  I carry spare fuel filters, a screwdriver, a crescent wrench, lug
 wrench, spare tire, fuses and jumper cables in the 83.  If going on a long
 trip I carry a jug of oil and atf along with a jug of drinking water for me
 or the car.
  I wouldn't change types of lubricants just before a long trip like
 yours.  I think you are asking for potential trouble with leaks as the syn
 oil does it's job and cleans out the gunk.  Just my $.02.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] hot topic?

2012-10-26 Thread clay monroe
Those speakers are unobtanium.  I spent three years trying to source a new 
speaker with no joy.  Found replacements in PnP cars.  I have a few on the 
shelf.

clay

On Oct 25, 2012, at 5:51 PM, OK Don wrote:

 The W115 chassis has a single 5x7 front speaker mounted in the center of
 the grill - I remember this because that's where I did the last RR of the
 heater fan in my last '76 300D.
 
 I'd add check the half shaft CV boots - make sure they are not open.
 
 On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 3:18 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 I may be able to source some speakers from PnP.  Yard is hosting a bunch
 of w124.  At least the front 4 could be useful, if not the rears.
 
 clay
 
 
 On Oct 25, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
 
 I put some new speakers in the TD years ago, and apparently the Benz
 speakers are some weird size, but if I recall the 4 (I think that is what
 they are) generally available speakers will fit with a little adjustment,
 and made a huge difference in sound.  These were in the back, the fronts
 looked pretty hard to deal with.  You will also need to run new wires or
 use the existing and bypass the fade wheel, to get the 4-way stereo/fade on
 the newer units.  Nothing too exotic, just a bit time consuming.
 
 --R
 
 On 10/25/12 12:22 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
 Well there is one thing I should do. There is no radio in it at the
 moment. The one that was in it when I got it was an aftermarket junker that
 did not work so I pulled it out.
 The kids gave me a Pioneer unit for father's day and I have never
 installed it. Partly because I assume it will need better speakers and I
 have not gone looking for sizes that will fit in original spots.
 
 So, in order to plug in the ipod I need to install the stereo.
 
 Randy
 
 On 25/10/2012 11:14 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
 Belts, hoses, filters, spare tire, maybe some exhaust donuts, ipod
 with lots of tunes, munchies.  Tool kit with some wire and duct tape.
 
 --R
 
 
 
 On 10/25/12 12:08 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
 
 
 What would you haul with in terms of spare parts etc.?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Starting my 240D With a Wire

2012-10-26 Thread Bob Rentfro
Okay...jumping across provides sparks but nothing else
Bad solenoid?

Bob R
On Oct 26, 2012 2:43 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 nothing significant - like lamp cord

 Randy

 On 26/10/2012 4:42 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote:

 What gauge wire is used in these device?

 Bob R
 On Oct 26, 2012 1:27 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

  On 26/10/2012 11:26 AM, Max Dillon wrote:

  Use something big like a screwdriver or wrench, as the current draw is
 big.


 this may be truly obvious BUT

 do not let the wrench or screwdriver or whatever you use, touch ANYTHING
 else.
 If you touch it to ground you are going to see sparks.

 The idea of using a push button device intended for such is a good idea.
 The alligator clips supplied will normally have a rubber shield around
 them
 to prevent troubles like that.

 I doubt you need to use anything too heavy duty as all you are doing is
 energizing the coil on the solenoid. Solenoid is just an automotive word
 for a relay.
 The solenoid will be the thing that is subject to the big current draw
 and
 not your wrench or screwdriver.

 Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Starting my 240D With a Wire

2012-10-26 Thread Rich Thomas

Some have said a good whack with a BFH might help.

-R

On 10/26/12 6:39 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote:

Okay...jumping across provides sparks but nothing else
Bad solenoid?

Bob R
On Oct 26, 2012 2:43 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:


nothing significant - like lamp cord

Randy

On 26/10/2012 4:42 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote:


What gauge wire is used in these device?

Bob R
On Oct 26, 2012 1:27 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

  On 26/10/2012 11:26 AM, Max Dillon wrote:

  Use something big like a screwdriver or wrench, as the current draw is

big.



this may be truly obvious BUT

do not let the wrench or screwdriver or whatever you use, touch ANYTHING
else.
If you touch it to ground you are going to see sparks.

The idea of using a push button device intended for such is a good idea.
The alligator clips supplied will normally have a rubber shield around
them
to prevent troubles like that.

I doubt you need to use anything too heavy duty as all you are doing is
energizing the coil on the solenoid. Solenoid is just an automotive word
for a relay.
The solenoid will be the thing that is subject to the big current draw
and
not your wrench or screwdriver.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] hot topic?

2012-10-26 Thread Dan Penoff
I believe that Ed Ebel at Becker has them.  I seem to recall getting one for my 
former 250C from him.

Dan


On Oct 26, 2012, at 6:38 PM, clay monroe wrote:

 Those speakers are unobtanium.  I spent three years trying to source a new 
 speaker with no joy.  Found replacements in PnP cars.  I have a few on the 
 shelf.
 
 clay
 
 On Oct 25, 2012, at 5:51 PM, OK Don wrote:
 
 The W115 chassis has a single 5x7 front speaker mounted in the center of
 the grill - I remember this because that's where I did the last RR of the
 heater fan in my last '76 300D.
 
 I'd add check the half shaft CV boots - make sure they are not open.
 
 On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 3:18 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 I may be able to source some speakers from PnP.  Yard is hosting a bunch
 of w124.  At least the front 4 could be useful, if not the rears.
 
 clay
 
 
 On Oct 25, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
 
 I put some new speakers in the TD years ago, and apparently the Benz
 speakers are some weird size, but if I recall the 4 (I think that is what
 they are) generally available speakers will fit with a little adjustment,
 and made a huge difference in sound.  These were in the back, the fronts
 looked pretty hard to deal with.  You will also need to run new wires or
 use the existing and bypass the fade wheel, to get the 4-way stereo/fade on
 the newer units.  Nothing too exotic, just a bit time consuming.
 
 --R
 
 On 10/25/12 12:22 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
 Well there is one thing I should do. There is no radio in it at the
 moment. The one that was in it when I got it was an aftermarket junker that
 did not work so I pulled it out.
 The kids gave me a Pioneer unit for father's day and I have never
 installed it. Partly because I assume it will need better speakers and I
 have not gone looking for sizes that will fit in original spots.
 
 So, in order to plug in the ipod I need to install the stereo.
 
 Randy
 
 On 25/10/2012 11:14 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
 Belts, hoses, filters, spare tire, maybe some exhaust donuts, ipod
 with lots of tunes, munchies.  Tool kit with some wire and duct tape.
 
 --R
 
 
 
 On 10/25/12 12:08 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
 
 
 What would you haul with in terms of spare parts etc.?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Starting my 240D With a Wire

2012-10-26 Thread Peter Frederick
Does it go click nice and loud?  If not, indeed a bad solenoid.  If   
it does but the starter does not turn, either the contactor is bad (no  
juice to the starter motor) or the brushes are open, or it's stuck.


None of that other than replacing the solenoid and contactor can be  
fixed in the car.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

2012-10-26 Thread clay monroe
I would not fear using Synth in an old transmission.  I have used it in both 
Gump and Frosch with no troubles or leakage. It does tend to clean up the 
garbage inside the transmission, so you do a short run for the first fill.  
Also used it in standard street cars 10-20 years old.  When you change the 
fluid, swap in a fresh filter and the seal.  No leaks.  I have only used Mobil 
1, so no idea if Amsoil is any less of a product, but I would doubt.  Drain the 
TC when you do the fluid so you have a true clean system.

clay


On Oct 25, 2012, at 8:34 PM, Alan Clarke wrote:

 Wanted some advise or thoughts on using Amsoil ATF in my 85 Turbo. It is a 
 synthetic rated as a Dexron II and III replacement.  One mechanic I respect 
 thought it was bad idea to use for reasons of causing leaking seals and the 
 like in an older tranny.  The tranny has been serviced regularly and has 
 under 150K mile.  Another mechanic who works on Mercedes thought it would be 
 OK as long as it was an approved fluid by MBZ for their vehicles.   I'm not 
 sure if it's approved or not.  Does anyone have any information and or 
 thoughts about the use of synthetic Amsoil ATF in an older 123 Diesel with a 
 722.315 transmission?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Starting my 240D With a Wire

2012-10-26 Thread Bob Rentfro
I got it going. I guess I didn't stick the screwdriver in there just
exactly right the first time. I suppose then it must be the ignition switch
electrical parts it's bad. When I get home I will have boy child put the
key to the start position while I check for voltage on the small wire to
the solenoid correct?

Bob R
On Oct 26, 2012 3:46 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Does it go click nice and loud?  If not, indeed a bad solenoid.  If  it
 does but the starter does not turn, either the contactor is bad (no juice
 to the starter motor) or the brushes are open, or it's stuck.

 None of that other than replacing the solenoid and contactor can be fixed
 in the car.

 Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Starting my 240D With a Wire

2012-10-26 Thread clay monroe
Just do a push start.  No need to jump, as you will need a hardy battery with 
many cold crank amps and 02 gauge wire.  Get somebody to carefully move up to 
your bumper and slowly get you up to speed, then drop it into drive.  No need 
for glow or starter, will get enough motion to light off with compression

clay

On Oct 26, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:

 How do start my 240D using a jumper down around the starter? Never done it
 before. Need to get the car home so I can continue electrical
 troubleshooting.
 
 Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] BB Pictures - A New Thread!

2012-10-26 Thread clay monroe
Crackberry is going under.  Get off that sinking ship.  BB servers are probably 
being taken off line as a cost saving measure

clay

On Oct 26, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

 Buy an iPhone. Become an iSheep:)
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 2:20 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey stay on topic. This is about me and my malfunctioning BlackBerry
 Torch that won't share it photos.
 
 
 On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Rich Thomas
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 I had to shoot mine uphill, both ways!
 
 --R
 
 On 10/26/12 10:23 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:
 
 I was envisioning a catheyesque thing that shoots out melted BBs.
 
 
 _Hot_ BB's!  We used to _dream_ of _hot_ BB's.  We had
 to use _cold_ BB's, _and_ called ourselves lucky.  Kids
 these days...
 
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Re: [MBZ] Starting my 240D With a Wire

2012-10-26 Thread Craig
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:01:40 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote:

 I got it going. I guess I didn't stick the screwdriver in there just
 exactly right the first time. I suppose then it must be the ignition
 switch electrical parts it's bad.

Or the wiring between the ignition switch and the solenoid, or the
neutral lockout switch, if it has an automatic transmission.


 When I get home I will have boy child put the key to the start position
 while I check for voltage on the small wire to the solenoid correct?

Yup. If you get a negative result, get under the car and check the
lockout switch and its connector.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] BB Pictures - A New Thread!

2012-10-26 Thread clay monroe
Can you use blue tooth to transfer the pix to a computer?  USB cable to a 
computer works on a PC.  Mac has issue with the limited software available to 
do wired transfer from these mobiles

clay

On Oct 26, 2012, at 11:47 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

 This is an emergency.  SWMBO took photos of the Chihuly Garden exhibit
 in Seattle and wants to share them.  I am running out of options.
 
 On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:
 Buy an iPhone. Become an iSheep:)
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 2:20 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey stay on topic. This is about me and my malfunctioning BlackBerry
 Torch that won't share it photos.
 
 
 On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Rich Thomas
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 I had to shoot mine uphill, both ways!
 
 --R
 
 On 10/26/12 10:23 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:
 
 I was envisioning a catheyesque thing that shoots out melted BBs.
 
 
 _Hot_ BB's!  We used to _dream_ of _hot_ BB's.  We had
 to use _cold_ BB's, _and_ called ourselves lucky.  Kids
 these days...
 
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Re: [MBZ] Starting my 240D With a Wire

2012-10-26 Thread Bob Rentfro
I suppose I should have told everyone is a 4 speed. I stopped on the way
home to pick up my new glasses and when I came back out it started up just
fine. So I have no idea. I reckon that it was a problem with the ignition
electric in the dash, it would not have started. I'm going to go out in a
couple of minutes and test the small wire to the solenoid for voltage when
the key is on.

Bob R
On Oct 26, 2012 4:08 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:01:40 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote:

  I got it going. I guess I didn't stick the screwdriver in there just
  exactly right the first time. I suppose then it must be the ignition
  switch electrical parts it's bad.

 Or the wiring between the ignition switch and the solenoid, or the
 neutral lockout switch, if it has an automatic transmission.


  When I get home I will have boy child put the key to the start position
  while I check for voltage on the small wire to the solenoid correct?

 Yup. If you get a negative result, get under the car and check the
 lockout switch and its connector.


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[MBZ] W123 Wheel hub

2012-10-26 Thread Larry T

Hi Kaleb,
Have you made any progress getting a total price for the wheel + shipping?

I look forward to your reply -

LarryT
78 240D
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[MBZ] OT: Any Xorg gurus on the list?

2012-10-26 Thread Allan Streib
I spent a good chunk of hours at work earlier today trying to get a
two-monitor setup working.  It actually does work, except the resolution
is wrong.

These are a pair of 30 Dell monitors, 2560x1600.  Specs say 101 PPI.
Everything as far as the desktop works, I can drag windows from one to
display to the other, etc. but the horizontal resolution seems out of
whack.  Everything looks very pixelated, and as I move windows
horizontally pixels drop out and reappear.

I have a basic /etc/X11/xorg.conf that sets up a Screen with a Virtual
size of 5120x1600.  The card is an ATI Radeon HD 4670 with two DVI
connectors, and uses the radeon driver.  (I am using dual-link DVI
cables on each monitor).

xrandr -q reports:

  Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 5120 x 1600, maximum 5120 x 1600
  DVI-0 connected 2560x1600+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 
641mm x 401mm
  DVI-1 connected 2560x1600+2560+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 
641mm x 400mm

xdpyinfo reports:

  dimensions:5120x1600 pixels (1354x423 millimeters)
  resolution:96x96 dots per inch
 
...so that all looks OK, I think.  The size reported by xdpyinfo is a
bit off, should actually be 1282mm x 400mm if you look at the sizes
reported by the individual monitors, above.  The difference appears to
be either caused by or resulting in the 96x96 DPI resolution, when the
monitor is actually 101 DPI.

But in the xorg.0.log I see

  [  5698.647] (II) RADEON(0): Output DVI-0 connected
  [  5698.647] (II) RADEON(0): Output DVI-1 connected
  [  5698.647] (II) RADEON(0): Using user preference for initial modes
  [  5698.647] (II) RADEON(0): Output DVI-0 using initial mode 2560x1600
  [  5698.647] (II) RADEON(0): Output DVI-1 using initial mode 2560x1600
  [  5698.647] (II) RADEON(0): Using default gamma of (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) unless 
otherwise stated.
  [  5698.647] (**) RADEON(0): Display dimensions: (640, 400) mm
  [  5698.647] (**) RADEON(0): DPI set to (203, 101)

That last line... has the horizontal DPI at twice what it should be.  I
am guessing that is causing my problem.  But I really am not sure.
Anyone know enough to say if I'm on the right track, at least?  If so
how do I fix it?

Allan
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[MBZ] W123 MPG

2012-10-26 Thread Michael Canfield
I love my 83 300d!  Just got back from a trip to Rochester and back.  160
gps miles, 5.35 gallons of fuel comes to 29.9mpg driving like I stole it.
It has NA gears in the rear so it comes off the line pretty well but really
turns some rpm's(tach doesn't work) at 75 and 80mph but runs along smooth
as can be at that speed.
  Gotta do a valve adjustment and general checkover to get ready for an
1800 mile trip to Parris Island to pick up my son after boot camp.  So, 60
gallons or so of veggie oil should get me there and back.  That's about $5
worth of filtering and 1 hour of my time to process the fuel.  And, I get
to drive one of the finest cars ever madegotta love it!

Mike
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Re: [MBZ] Starting my 240D With a Wire

2012-10-26 Thread Michael Canfield
Could very well be signs of a starter going bad.  They usually start out
not working once in a while then gradually work to requiring a bfh to tap
while the key is held in start to make it work, then to nothing at all.

Mike
On Oct 26, 2012 7:04 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 Just do a push start.  No need to jump, as you will need a hardy battery
 with many cold crank amps and 02 gauge wire.  Get somebody to carefully
 move up to your bumper and slowly get you up to speed, then drop it into
 drive.  No need for glow or starter, will get enough motion to light off
 with compression

 clay

 On Oct 26, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:

  How do start my 240D using a jumper down around the starter? Never done
 it
  before. Need to get the car home so I can continue electrical
  troubleshooting.
 
  Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Any Xorg gurus on the list?

2012-10-26 Thread Craig
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:57:00 -0400 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
wrote:

 I spent a good chunk of hours at work earlier today trying to get a
 two-monitor setup working.  It actually does work, except the resolution
 is wrong.

What distribution are you using? Does it have a GUI to do the work for
you?

Should we take this to the Linux list?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Any Xorg gurus on the list?

2012-10-26 Thread Allan Streib
It is actally OpenBSD 5.2-CURRENT.  Not using any GUI for the
configuration... in the past X as mostly just worked for me

Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes:

 On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:57:00 -0400 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
 wrote:

 I spent a good chunk of hours at work earlier today trying to get a
 two-monitor setup working.  It actually does work, except the resolution
 is wrong.

 What distribution are you using? Does it have a GUI to do the work for
 you?

 Should we take this to the Linux list?


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] CL crrrrrrackhead.

2012-10-26 Thread Michael Canfield
I want a set of wheels similar to those for my 83.

Mike
On Oct 26, 2012 5:35 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Oh, yeah, the non-standard wheels, blackened chrome, AMG steering wheel
 and the analog phone antenna really make that a car to desire, but, alas,
 I'm gonna hafta let it go.  Now, what did I do with that barf bag?

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Rolf r...@winmutt.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:21 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] CL crrackhead.


  
 http://chicago.craigslist.org/**nch/cto/3366107362.htmlhttp://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/3366107362.html

 If thats the real thing, I would think that it would get more on the
 market with that kind of mileage..

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Re: [MBZ] Starting my 240D With a Wire

2012-10-26 Thread Bob Rentfro
It has now started 7 times in a row. I will do a little more sorting
tomorrow. The more I look at the engine and starter and the alternator and
the radiator they all look new. Not clean, new. Know what I mean? Kinda
weird.

Bob R
On Oct 26, 2012 7:10 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Could very well be signs of a starter going bad.  They usually start out
 not working once in a while then gradually work to requiring a bfh to tap
 while the key is held in start to make it work, then to nothing at all.

 Mike
 On Oct 26, 2012 7:04 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

  Just do a push start.  No need to jump, as you will need a hardy battery
  with many cold crank amps and 02 gauge wire.  Get somebody to carefully
  move up to your bumper and slowly get you up to speed, then drop it into
  drive.  No need for glow or starter, will get enough motion to light off
  with compression
 
  clay
 
  On Oct 26, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
 
   How do start my 240D using a jumper down around the starter? Never done
  it
   before. Need to get the car home so I can continue electrical
   troubleshooting.
  
   Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Flying mudder

2012-10-26 Thread RELNGSON
 I thought Russian airports had access to plow trucks for snow 
 removal.
 That runway is in serious need of plowing...
 
That might uncover the potatoes.

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Re: [MBZ] resto?

2012-10-26 Thread RELNGSON
 ...Yeah 4 or 5 days - impossible. Chip Foose does a proper job in a week 
 but then again he has thirty people working on the car'..
 
What Foose does is not restoration which is making something as factory 
new. He takes moribund automotive corpses and converts them into something 
else. Much like Coddington.

RLE
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] resto?

2012-10-26 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Yes, I realize that it's not technically restoration but the process is 
basically the same- rust repair, paint, mechanical, interior. All this is done 
to a very high standard within a week. Quite impressive! 
He is a bit heavy on the bondo use though. Restorers like Paul Russel and Co., 
for example,  won't have any of that! They metal finish all the way. That can't 
be done in a week. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2012, at 11:39 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

...Yeah 4 or 5 days - impossible. Chip Foose does a proper job in a week 
but then again he has thirty people working on the car'..

What Foose does is not restoration which is making something as factory 
new. He takes moribund automotive corpses and converts them into something 
else. Much like Coddington.

RLE


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Re: [MBZ] extended oil

2012-10-26 Thread RELNGSON
 ...I can see that being an issue.  Synth in a garage queen may not be 
 cost effective.  If you swap out oil every year even if you do not make the 
 miles, I guess dino is just as good...
 
Depends on the garage. My 944's M1 15/50 was last changed on 7/16/1998.

1219 miles. 

It's in an insulated garage which is part of the house and so temp varies 
maybe 20 degrees annually. In case I get the urge, I do have two 6-quart jugs 
of M1 15/50 from Walmart close buy.

RLE
  
 
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Re: [MBZ] extended oil

2012-10-26 Thread clay monroe
But you are special, Roger.  The rest of us have to live with cold garages that 
tend to induce moisture build up as well as other troubles associated with not 
getting engine upto temp regularly to cook out the water.


clay 


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On Oct 26, 2012, at 8:52 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

 ...I can see that being an issue.  Synth in a garage queen may not be 
 cost effective.  If you swap out oil every year even if you do not make the 
 miles, I guess dino is just as good...
 
 Depends on the garage. My 944's M1 15/50 was last changed on 7/16/1998.
 
 1219 miles. 
 
 It's in an insulated garage which is part of the house and so temp varies 
 maybe 20 degrees annually. In case I get the urge, I do have two 6-quart jugs 
 of M1 15/50 from Walmart close buy.
 
 RLE
  
 
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Re: [MBZ] Starting my 240D With a Wire

2012-10-26 Thread Dieselhead
My 240D went through a few years of intermittent no-juicy-no-starty. 
I ran a hot wire from the fuse block into the dash, put a 
intermittent pushbutton switch on the lower-left dash near the door. 
The other side of the switch was run directly to the small terminal 
in the starter.


At the time, no one had heard of the ign switch electrics ever 
wearing out.  So I ran several years with the push button.  When it 
didn't start with the key, I'd hit the pushbutton and it took right 
up.  I eventually figured out it was the switch, and replaced it, and 
never needed the pushbutton after that.


The ign switch does wear out sometimes, especially in 25+ year old 
Diesels with lots of start cycles.




I suppose I should have told everyone is a 4 speed. I stopped on the way
home to pick up my new glasses and when I came back out it started up just
fine. So I have no idea. I reckon that it was a problem with the ignition
electric in the dash, it would not have started. I'm going to go out in a
couple of minutes and test the small wire to the solenoid for voltage when
the key is on.

Bob R


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Re: [MBZ] resto?

2012-10-26 Thread Rich Thomas

Except Coddington is dead

--R

On 10/26/12 11:39 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

...Yeah 4 or 5 days - impossible. Chip Foose does a proper job in a week
but then again he has thirty people working on the car'..


What Foose does is not restoration which is making something as factory
new. He takes moribund automotive corpses and converts them into something
else. Much like Coddington.

RLE



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Re: [MBZ] 6.9

2012-10-26 Thread Brian Toscano
People buy horsepower but drive with torque.

There's no substitute for displacement.

Can burn rubber in all forward gears.



On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

 the ungoverned V-6 is faster than either the 6.3 or 6.9.


 HP == top speed
 Torque == acceleration

 For general smileage, more torque is better than more HP.
 My 200D 115 is _very_ drivable, even with what, 50-odd HP?
 But as a diesel it has more torque than the HP figure would
 lead the usual gasser-head to expect.

 -- Jim




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Re: [MBZ] cold storage

2012-10-26 Thread RELNGSON
 But you are special, Roger.  The rest of us have to live with cold 
 garages that tend to induce moisture build up as well as other troubles 
 associated with not getting engine upto temp regularly to cook out the water.
 
As I said, it depends...

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Re: [MBZ] Coddington

2012-10-26 Thread RELNGSON
 ...Except Coddington is dead..
 
A mere detail. He was not as flamboyant and self promoting as Foose, seemed 
to me.

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