Re: [MBZ] Haters come hate speed humps, spoon drains, etc!
On Jul 7, 2013 8:36 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Relax, looks like an air to air intercooler. What's the point of working out a custom mount and all the plumbing if you're just going to go air-to-air? Water-to-air intercoolers make a much bigger difference in intake air density. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great vid -- dwarf cars
Very interesting, especially so now that I know I'm only a 45 minute drive away from his place. Road trip.. for sure.. Grant... On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: http://makezine.com/2013/07/**07/ernies-handmade-dwarf-cars/http://makezine.com/2013/07/07/ernies-handmade-dwarf-cars/ --R __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Haters come hate speed humps, spoon drains, etc!
It's not about how cool the air is.. it's about how cool you look, right? Road trash, parking blocks, they all mean nothing. Location sucks. Heat from the highway here would negate any gain from cooling.. but then, perhaps it's a snow to air installation.. Ohhh.. wait.. snow bank.. left that hazard out.. ouch.. A fella just can't win.. Wax it, trailer queen it.. look cool.. parking lot runups and burnouts.. well maybe.. Grant... On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Jul 7, 2013 8:36 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Relax, looks like an air to air intercooler. What's the point of working out a custom mount and all the plumbing if you're just going to go air-to-air? Water-to-air intercoolers make a much bigger difference in intake air density. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.
Wow! That is crazy! Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Some guy takes a 220D to the track.
At 7:19 AM -0400 7/2/13, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: http://oldcarjunkie.wordpress.com/2013/06/24/taking-the-diesel-mercedes-to-the-auto-x/ Hee! I actually autocrossed my '68 220D a couple of times. Most fun! -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs
Rich, You better check that spec again2mm is way too loose. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D (now back to AT?) ; -)
Thanks Michael -- I think it does as well.. ;-) Larry On 7/7/2013 4:35 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Hey Larry, I don't know for sure but that name is what a waste gate does. Mike On Jul 7, 2013 12:30 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks Kaleb -- I am reviewing the WSM sections on the Turbo - I need your help on determining the names of the parts. I always thought I knew what a waste gate was -- actually I know what it does and what they look like on some race engines but on this 602-962 engine i have turned to the manuals many illustrations to find the Waste Gate. Question - the illustrations talk of a *Charge Pressure Control Valve* /(09-0050 Function of Exhaust Gas Turbocharger)/ - would this be the Waste Gate? It's the only part with a description that comes close to being a *Waste Gate*. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge - Larry On 7/6/2013 10:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The flapper above the turbo has nothing to do with the turbo. You need to hook it up to the waste gate on the turbo if you are trying to manually operate it to see if you get boost. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 6, 2013, at 8:36 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Gang - Didn't start early doing my trouble shooting - wife worked o'time. But what I did - hooked a vacuum gauge to the vac hose going to the the flapper valve above the Turbo - pulled approx 6 at idle and then went to 10 or more when I revved it up. Then I re-attached the hose to the flapper valve and revved it again - it lifted the flap valve as I think it should. This tells me the turbo is working - no noises from anything. I'm back to the AT not dropping down a gear when I punch it. BTW, my wife tells me she hears a rattle at light throttle. Not sure what to make of that What does the brain trust think? What should I work on next? Thanks Guys, LarryT On 7/6/2013 12:12 PM, Larry T wrote: Thanks Kaleb - first thing I'll try is hooking up the Vac Pump to the Turbo and see what happens I was hoping one of the CVs is damaged as that's fairly common - but a leak in the vac system is also possible - and that may still prove to be a problem. May as well cover the bases. I have some inline filters George Murphy sent me - they are supposed to indicate a blown out CV... As soon as I find a way to hook a line to the vac pump I'll give it a try.. I assume I can hook up the turbo end to the Flapper Valve Controller? Thanks again, LarryT - On 7/6/2013 11:15 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: It's under eds, hundred and some odd pages iirc. Tells you how to test all the stuff. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was someone looking for a deal on R-134a?
Dave in SoCal wrote: 12 oz. for $4 at Menards through 7/14. I don't use it but seems to be a decent price for small bottles. Not available in Cali. Thanks, I didn't notice that in the ad. Mitch . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
'Seems to me that somebody was not monitoring 2 of the most basic parts of flying - airspeed and altitude. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? I believe Rolls Royce modified the engines as a result of the previous crash. Don't know the specifics, but loss of power resulted in the crash and the cause of the low power was frozen or waxed up fuel in the engines, not the tanks. Gelled fuel is a known hazard, but for some reason caused a crash after descent and on final approach. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. Oops! Dan On Jul 8, 2013, at 9:47 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Seems to me that somebody was not monitoring 2 of the most basic parts of flying - airspeed and altitude. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? I believe Rolls Royce modified the engines as a result of the previous crash. Don't know the specifics, but loss of power resulted in the crash and the cause of the low power was frozen or waxed up fuel in the engines, not the tanks. Gelled fuel is a known hazard, but for some reason caused a crash after descent and on final approach. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Still no excuse. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. Oops! Dan On Jul 8, 2013, at 9:47 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Seems to me that somebody was not monitoring 2 of the most basic parts of flying - airspeed and altitude. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? I believe Rolls Royce modified the engines as a result of the previous crash. Don't know the specifics, but loss of power resulted in the crash and the cause of the low power was frozen or waxed up fuel in the engines, not the tanks. Gelled fuel is a known hazard, but for some reason caused a crash after descent and on final approach. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Agreed. Just thought that was interesting. I wonder if cockpit dynamics contributed to the crash. Dan always willing to question authority On Jul 8, 2013, at 10:00 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Still no excuse. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. Oops! Dan On Jul 8, 2013, at 9:47 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Seems to me that somebody was not monitoring 2 of the most basic parts of flying - airspeed and altitude. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? I believe Rolls Royce modified the engines as a result of the previous crash. Don't know the specifics, but loss of power resulted in the crash and the cause of the low power was frozen or waxed up fuel in the engines, not the tanks. Gelled fuel is a known hazard, but for some reason caused a crash after descent and on final approach. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Michael Canfield wrote: Sounds like someone is in a world of trouble. Yeah, how many WEEKS is is OK to leave something like that unfixed at an oceanfront international airport with SFO's traffic volume? Mitch. What do you expect form a goobermnt that can't do anything it is supposed to (and required to) do (at great expense), but does all kinds of nefarious stuff it is prohibited from doing at great expense? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Me, too, on both points - authority and dynamics. I think that in this case, there was great lack of cockpit dynamics - everybody dozing at the same time - and on approach to landing under CAVU conditions?! Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Agreed. Just thought that was interesting. I wonder if cockpit dynamics contributed to the crash. Dan always willing to question authority On Jul 8, 2013, at 10:00 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Still no excuse. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. Oops! Dan On Jul 8, 2013, at 9:47 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Seems to me that somebody was not monitoring 2 of the most basic parts of flying - airspeed and altitude. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? I believe Rolls Royce modified the engines as a result of the previous crash. Don't know the specifics, but loss of power resulted in the crash and the cause of the low power was frozen or waxed up fuel in the engines, not the tanks. Gelled fuel is a known hazard, but for some reason caused a crash after descent and on final approach. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
I think the ILS is irrelevant - weren't they cleared for visual approach with runway visible from many miles out? Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Michael Canfield wrote: Sounds like someone is in a world of trouble. Yeah, how many WEEKS is is OK to leave something like that unfixed at an oceanfront international airport with SFO's traffic volume? Mitch. What do you expect form a goobermnt that can't do anything it is supposed to (and required to) do (at great expense), but does all kinds of nefarious stuff it is prohibited from doing at great expense? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Dan Penoff wrote: I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. He got more than that on the day of the crash, didn't he? At any rate, isn't it pretty simple? You deploy your flaps and wheels, establish your glide attitude, and if the place you want to touch down is rising in your windscreen, you'll hit way short. Add throttle until your ground target is steady or just barely sinking below your windscreen towards your wheels. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. Gotta start sometime. Obviously something was wrong. Or, as is more usual, _several_ somethings were wrong. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Yeah, how many WEEKS is is OK to leave something like that unfixed at an oceanfront international airport with SFO's traffic volume? Mitch. What do you expect form a goobermnt that can't do anything it is supposed to (and required to) do (at great expense), but does all kinds of nefarious stuff it is prohibited from doing at great expense? WILTON wrote: I think the ILS is irrelevant - weren't they cleared for visual approach with runway visible from many miles out? Wilton Loren: Is SFO run by the same people that run BART? Wilton: Are you saying that visual is preferred and they wouldn't have used ILS if available, or are you saying that a pilot with a non-zero chance of blowing that particular visual landing has no business holding 300 lives in his hands? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Yep. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Dan Penoff wrote: I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. He got more than that on the day of the crash, didn't he? At any rate, isn't it pretty simple? You deploy your flaps and wheels, establish your glide attitude, and if the place you want to touch down is rising in your windscreen, you'll hit way short. Add throttle until your ground target is steady or just barely sinking below your windscreen towards your wheels. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Just saying they didn't HAFTA have it for seemingly such a simple approach with runway in sight from many miles out. 'Understood they were cleared for visual approach. Were they depending on ILS or some other system, anyway, and allowing aircraft to take certain steps automatically without any monitoring? Cockpit was evidently filled with men of MANY hours of experience. Couldn't at least ONE of 'em have monitored airspeed and altitude? How much experience does it take to read airspeed and altitude? Not much. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Yeah, how many WEEKS is is OK to leave something like that unfixed at an oceanfront international airport with SFO's traffic volume? Mitch. What do you expect form a goobermnt that can't do anything it is supposed to (and required to) do (at great expense), but does all kinds of nefarious stuff it is prohibited from doing at great expense? WILTON wrote: I think the ILS is irrelevant - weren't they cleared for visual approach with runway visible from many miles out? Wilton Loren: Is SFO run by the same people that run BART? Wilton: Are you saying that visual is preferred and they wouldn't have used ILS if available, or are you saying that a pilot with a non-zero chance of blowing that particular visual landing has no business holding 300 lives in his hands? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Yeah, airspeed and altitude, that's the ticket. You run out of either one and you are in a world of hurt. You got radar altimeters, baro altimeters, GPS altimeters, and, oh yeah, look out the window. And the airplane feeling ree sluggish because it is flying too slow and wallowing down to the water? And the runway not coming up where it should be (oh look the runway is wayyy up there when it should be right there!). I have never flown a 777, but I am sure it is not wildly different from those Cherokees I used to fly, especially when it comes to figuring out where and how you want to plant it on the ground, and keeping your stick and throttle sorta in sync to get you where you want to go. --R On 7/8/13 11:04 AM, WILTON wrote: Just saying they didn't HAFTA have it for seemingly such a simple approach with runway in sight from many miles out. 'Understood they were cleared for visual approach. Were they depending on ILS or some other system, anyway, and allowing aircraft to take certain steps automatically without any monitoring? Cockpit was evidently filled with men of MANY hours of experience. Couldn't at least ONE of 'em have monitored airspeed and altitude? How much experience does it take to read airspeed and altitude? Not much. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Yeah, how many WEEKS is is OK to leave something like that unfixed at an oceanfront international airport with SFO's traffic volume? Mitch. What do you expect form a goobermnt that can't do anything it is supposed to (and required to) do (at great expense), but does all kinds of nefarious stuff it is prohibited from doing at great expense? WILTON wrote: I think the ILS is irrelevant - weren't they cleared for visual approach with runway visible from many miles out? Wilton Loren: Is SFO run by the same people that run BART? Wilton: Are you saying that visual is preferred and they wouldn't have used ILS if available, or are you saying that a pilot with a non-zero chance of blowing that particular visual landing has no business holding 300 lives in his hands? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
I think this just gives me one more reason to drive one of my antique cars/trucks and see the sights along the way. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: The last time something like this happened it was fuel waxing up resulting in power loss on final approach, which I'm sure will be examined. How can something like that possibly happen these days? Hasn't the tendency of diesel fuel and similar substances such as jet fuel to gell at low temperatures been well known for a hundred years? Wouldn't it be standard procedure to add an anti-gelling additive at the refinery? Alex Ayup! But if there is a human involved, they screw up formulations. Additive could have been left out. I've seen it too many times. Just got a report today of such a screwup. Not of the life or death sort. But the mixer was short the main ingredient so he put in half, then the full amount of all the other 11 ingredients. No brains. Faulty thought process. Actually he is normally a smart, thorough and dependable guy. I just don't understand the thought process at all. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs
I believe the spec is 0.01-0.02mm, I use 0.0005 which is between lines on my HF dial indicator. -Curt Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 07:53:35 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs Message-ID: calhj_1ceth6qaazcyb_zs5+x9kvjf3n_wugdswzfgmx0gec...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rich, You better check that spec again2mm is way too loose. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was someone looking for a deal on R-134a?
TSC had 12oz cans for $8 ($7.98 I think) each on Saturday and I managed to forget to get some... -Curt Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:28:51 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was someone looking for a deal on R-134a? Message-ID: 51dabe93.2080...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Dave in SoCal wrote: 12 oz. for $4 at Menards through 7/14. I don't use it but seems to be a decent price for small bottles. Not available in Cali. Thanks, I didn't notice that in the ad. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
I thought it was more like 37 hours. How long is the flight from Korea to SFO? Gotta be 15-18 hours... -Curt Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:51:21 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Message-ID: 8e7461e2-c5f6-4730-b697-a0b47442d...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. Oops! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
43 hours: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/08/boeing-777-crashes-at-san-francisco-international-airport/ - Forwarded Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? I thought it was more like 37 hours. How long is the flight from Korea to SFO? Gotta be 15-18 hours... -Curt Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:51:21 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Message-ID: 8e7461e2-c5f6-4730-b697-a0b47442d...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. Oops! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] AC and alternators?
I hate to disrupt the airplane theorizing but I've got a car question.
Friday I noticed that if I had the AC on ('84 190D) the alternator light would
glow on my car. If I turned the AC off the light would dim and after a couple
minutes would go out completely.
Its pretty hot here (80F when I got to work at 8:30am) so I'd like to use the
AC. The alternator is relatively new (February?) but the battery is quite old.
Is it possible an old battery would cause this?
Years ago my '83 240D ate 3 or 4 alternators before I finally replaced the
battery (which was on its last legs) and it never had another failure until the
engine died of a broken oil cooler line. I'm wondering if its the same thing
here. The car starts fine but its an easy starting 197,000 engine...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?
Voltages under various conditions?
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
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Subject: [MBZ] AC and alternators?
I hate to disrupt the airplane theorizing but I've got a car question.
Friday I noticed that if I had the AC on ('84 190D) the alternator light would
glow on my car. If I turned the AC off the light would dim and after a couple
minutes would go out completely.
Its pretty hot here (80F when I got to work at 8:30am) so I'd like to use the
AC. The alternator is relatively new (February?) but the battery is quite old.
Is it possible an old battery would cause this?
Years ago my '83 240D ate 3 or 4 alternators before I finally replaced the
battery (which was on its last legs) and it never had another failure until
the engine died of a broken oil cooler line. I'm wondering if its the same
thing here. The car starts fine but its an easy starting 197,000 engine...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
'Bout 12 hrs from Seoul to SFO depending on winds, of course. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? I thought it was more like 37 hours. How long is the flight from Korea to SFO? Gotta be 15-18 hours... -Curt Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:51:21 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Message-ID: 8e7461e2-c5f6-4730-b697-a0b47442d...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. Oops! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs
Yeah, what Curt said. It's been a while. Sorry. Mike On Jul 8, 2013 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I believe the spec is 0.01-0.02mm, I use 0.0005 which is between lines on my HF dial indicator. -Curt Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 07:53:35 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs Message-ID: calhj_1ceth6qaazcyb_zs5+x9kvjf3n_wugdswzfgmx0gec...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rich, You better check that spec again2mm is way too loose. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?
Bad battery or loose or dirty terminals. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: I have never flown a 777, but I am sure it is not wildly different from those Cherokees I used to fly, especially when it comes to figuring out where and how you want to plant it on the ground, and keeping your stick and throttle sorta in sync to get you where you want to go. I have never flown anything, but from reading, the notable differences with large airliners is that they respond more slowly to control inputs. You have to be ahead of the aircraft to a certain extent. Engine response is not as quick as with small piston-engined planes. If you get too low and slow on approach there comes a point where you are doomed. They apparently were coming in with engines at idle 7 seconds out, and it takes that long to spool up and get any usable thrust going from idle to full power. I would add that from the video I've seen, where the aircraft strikes the ground and then does a near 360 spin up into the air and then slams down again, it's a remarkable testament to the build quality of the 777 that it remained mostly in one piece. -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fw: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d
Not mine. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. - Forwarded Message - From: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@verizon.net To: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 1:45 PM Subject: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d fred.s...@verizon.net forwarded you this from craigslist: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3915708294.html If you don't want to receive email-a-friend messages, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18zMDQ3MDMwNNQ2dlObnJDaeiSjYFGlVj2_o7u-rlFJomjY1t_RZ3FIcPvGJHysYPdeC2jMQlRy2g ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
10 hours. 14 from Seoul to Detroit (I still have the scars from doing that haul more than once!) Dan On Jul 8, 2013, at 1:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I thought it was more like 37 hours. How long is the flight from Korea to SFO? Gotta be 15-18 hours... -Curt Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:51:21 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Message-ID: 8e7461e2-c5f6-4730-b697-a0b47442d...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. Oops! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 06:25:09 -0400 Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Wow! That is crazy! Mike What is crazy? You didn't quote anything from the previous post. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.
One guy rebent the injection lines to match the firing order. 1 4 3 2 in place of just replacing the lines. (1 2 3 4) That was about max stupidity, but to a gas engine guy, the lines sort of resembled spark plug wires That is what is crazy. Maybe I will get the hang of trimming posts on my phone someday. Mike On Jul 8, 2013 2:00 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 06:25:09 -0400 Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Wow! That is crazy! Mike What is crazy? You didn't quote anything from the previous post. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 11:14:37 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Yeah, airspeed and altitude, that's the ticket. You run out of either one and you are in a world of hurt I have never flown a 777, but I am sure it is not wildly different from those Cherokees I used to fly, especially when it comes to figuring out where and how you want to plant it on the ground, and keeping your stick and throttle sorta in sync to get you where you want to go. Some of the fellows at church yesterday were saying that their descent rate before flaring for the landing was much higher than it should have been. It sounds like they were off the mark long before landing. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 13:16:32 -0400 Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, what Curt said. It's been a while. Sorry. Mike On Jul 8, 2013 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I believe the spec is 0.01-0.02mm, I use 0.0005 which is between lines on my HF dial indicator. Yeah! Double what Curt said! Sorry I didn't catch it yesterday Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 14:04:09 -0400 Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: One guy rebent the injection lines to match the firing order. 1 4 3 2 in place of just replacing the lines. (1 2 3 4) That was about max stupidity, but to a gas engine guy, the lines sort of resembled spark plug wires That is what is crazy. Yes, that IS crazy! Maybe I will get the hang of trimming posts on my phone someday. I wish you success. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com writes: I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. I think it was a bit more than that, but he also had thousands of hours in other large jets. He was by all accounts I've seen a very seasoned pilot. -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 13:52:33 -0400 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I would add that from the video I've seen, where the aircraft strikes the ground and then does a near 360 spin up into the air and then slams down again, it's a remarkable testament to the build quality of the 777 that it remained mostly in one piece. It is indeed! Where was the video that you saw? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.
On Jul 8, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I will get the hang of trimming posts on my phone someday. What phone? iPhone is dead simple. My Android tablet, not so much, to the point I don't even read email on it... Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d
Fred, How far is that from you? Mike On Jul 8, 2013 1:55 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Not mine. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. - Forwarded Message - From: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@verizon.net To: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 1:45 PM Subject: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d fred.s...@verizon.net forwarded you this from craigslist: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3915708294.html If you don't want to receive email-a-friend messages, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18zMDQ3MDMwNNQ2dlObnJDaeiSjYFGlVj2_o7u-rlFJomjY1t_RZ3FIcPvGJHysYPdeC2jMQlRy2g ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
On Jul 8, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I would add that from the video I've seen, where the aircraft strikes the ground and then does a near 360 spin up into the air and then slams down again, it's a remarkable testament to the build quality of the 777 that it remained mostly in one piece. Link please. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.
HTC Evo 4g lte. Android OS. Not the phones fault, I just don't pay attention and hit buttons too fast. Mike On Jul 8, 2013 2:16 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Jul 8, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I will get the hang of trimming posts on my phone someday. What phone? iPhone is dead simple. My Android tablet, not so much, to the point I don't even read email on it... Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs
Yup. It's just enough movement to see detectable needle movement on my cheapie dial gauge. It also seemed to me that the setting was correct when you can just barely detect any movement when you push/pull on the disk. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 1:15 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs I believe the spec is 0.01-0.02mm, I use 0.0005 which is between lines on my HF dial indicator. -Curt Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 07:53:35 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs Message-ID: calhj_1ceth6qaazcyb_zs5+x9kvjf3n_wugdswzfgmx0gec...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rich, You better check that spec again2mm is way too loose. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
I don't see any other explanation unless the pitot system was frozen over and the altimeter was set wrong (probably not or FDR would show). So how can this be allowed to happen? Did everybody think someone else was flying the jet (I've seen that happen)? -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 9:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? 'Seems to me that somebody was not monitoring 2 of the most basic parts of flying - airspeed and altitude. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com writes: On Jul 8, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I would add that from the video I've seen, where the aircraft strikes the ground and then does a near 360 spin up into the air and then slams down again, it's a remarkable testament to the build quality of the 777 that it remained mostly in one piece. Link please. It's on CNN's website. -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d
Around Boston to Quincy? About an hour, all told. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d Fred, How far is that from you? Mike On Jul 8, 2013 1:55 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Not mine. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. - Forwarded Message - From: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@verizon.net To: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 1:45 PM Subject: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d fred.s...@verizon.net forwarded you this from craigslist: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3915708294.html If you don't want to receive email-a-friend messages, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18zMDQ3MDMwNNQ2dlObnJDaeiSjYFGlVj2_o7u-rlFJomjY1t_RZ3FIcPvGJHysYPdeC2jMQlRy2g ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu writes: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com writes: On Jul 8, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I would add that from the video I've seen, where the aircraft strikes the ground and then does a near 360 spin up into the air and then slams down again, it's a remarkable testament to the build quality of the 777 that it remained mostly in one piece. Link please. It's on CNN's website. http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/08/us/asiana-airlines-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Fundraising......Monsanto Sucks!
Similar to drugs creating super bacteria it's feared that GM food will cross pollinate with weeds and create weeds that are resistant to herbicide. Also, pollen from GM corn has been shown to cause the death of caterpillars. GM foods may create new allergens like peanuts or gluten. http://www.csa.com/discoveryguides/gmfood/overview.php http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hls6CDw6dVM http://www.psrast.org/ http://www.globalissues.org/issue/188/genetically-engineered-food For more links, https://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=gmo+food+issue Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 7/5/2013 2:46 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: Not that I'm defending Monsanto, but has anyone seen any hard evidence that genetically altered foods cause medical problems? Are there any ongoing studies? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d
Frederick Moir wrote: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3915708294.html That's one way to fix Esh's fuel delivery problem. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs
Scott Ritchey wrote: Yup. It's just enough movement to see detectable needle movement on my cheapie dial gauge. It also seemed to me that the setting was correct when you can just barely detect any movement when you push/pull on the disk. When doing motorcycle valve lash, minimum feel for me is about 0.002-0.004. I liked the idea (Loren's?) of ringing the disk by tapping it with a wrench. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
They were under a VFR approach, or at least the day was clear, so anyone looking out the window (and glancing at the airspeed indicator) would have seen they were slow, and not aimed at the runway. Even if they were on an instrument approach the system should have known better than to do that, or to let them do that without all kinds of warnings. Of course the answers will come out at some point, but it sure seems to me like the pilot(s) were not paying attention. BTW, the local responders say it appeared one of the victims contacted our apparatus during the incident. Translation from cop-speak: We ran over the girl. That girl's parents are going to own half of China when they get done with suing the airline and the responder agency. Better call Saul! --R On 7/8/13 2:32 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: I don't see any other explanation unless the pitot system was frozen over and the altimeter was set wrong (probably not or FDR would show). So how can this be allowed to happen? Did everybody think someone else was flying the jet (I've seen that happen)? -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 9:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? 'Seems to me that somebody was not monitoring 2 of the most basic parts of flying - airspeed and altitude. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Rich Thomas wrote: They were under a VFR approach, or at least the day was clear, so anyone looking out the window (and glancing at the airspeed indicator) would have seen they were slow, and not aimed at the runway. Even if they were on an instrument approach the system should have known better than to do that, or to let them do that without all kinds of warnings. Then -- just 1.5 seconds before the plane slammed into the runway -- the crew decided to call off the landing and try to pull up for another try, Hersman said. How can you pull up for a go-around if you're already too slow to land? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was someone looking for a deal on R-134a?
Curt Raymond wrote: TSC had 12oz cans for $8 ($7.98 I think) each on Saturday and I managed to forget to get some... Too bad Menard's doesn't go east of Cleveland and they won't ship R134a. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Probably could've landed fine on the over/under run (blast pad) if he'd been just a few feet (maybe 8 or 10?) higher to clear that seawall. Blast pads (over run) areas are weaker than runway, of course, but touching down there's a helluva lot better than really pranging it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Rich Thomas wrote: They were under a VFR approach, or at least the day was clear, so anyone looking out the window (and glancing at the airspeed indicator) would have seen they were slow, and not aimed at the runway. Even if they were on an instrument approach the system should have known better than to do that, or to let them do that without all kinds of warnings. Then -- just 1.5 seconds before the plane slammed into the runway -- the crew decided to call off the landing and try to pull up for another try, Hersman said. How can you pull up for a go-around if you're already too slow to land? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
On Jul 8, 2013, at 1:41 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: It's on CNN's website. http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/08/us/asiana-airlines-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Thank you. Wow. And pretty much everybody walked away. Quite a testament to Boeing in general, and the 777 in particular. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
I noticed that, too. I can hear it now, Uh, uh, wait just a minute. Let me get my bag. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? What really gassed me when I saw the first photos of the surviving passengers walking away from the wreckage was that many of them were pulling their carry on luggage behind them! I would have been walking over people to get out of that thing, baggage be damned! Dan On Jul 8, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: They were under a VFR approach, or at least the day was clear, so anyone looking out the window (and glancing at the airspeed indicator) would have seen they were slow, and not aimed at the runway. Even if they were on an instrument approach the system should have known better than to do that, or to let them do that without all kinds of warnings. Of course the answers will come out at some point, but it sure seems to me like the pilot(s) were not paying attention. BTW, the local responders say it appeared one of the victims contacted our apparatus during the incident. Translation from cop-speak: We ran over the girl. That girl's parents are going to own half of China when they get done with suing the airline and the responder agency. Better call Saul! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs
Scott Ritchey wrote: Yup. It's just enough movement to see detectable needle movement on my cheapie dial gauge. It also seemed to me that the setting was correct when you can just barely detect any movement when you push/pull on the disk. When doing motorcycle valve lash, minimum feel for me is about 0.002-0.004. I liked the idea (Loren's?) of ringing the disk by tapping it with a wrench. Mitch. Not mine. I seldom need to touch wheel bearings. when I do I just do it by feel tighten until the bearing gets snug, then back out the nut 1/3 turn and clamp it down. May be too loose, but it is ok for off track normal driving. No dial indicator needed. I've done it that way for 40 years. My dad taught me to do merkin iron by feel. I just applied it to MB tolerances. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.
One guy rebent the injection lines to match the firing order. 1 4 3 2 in place of just replacing the lines. (1 2 3 4) That was about max stupidity, but to a gas engine guy, the lines sort of resembled spark plug wires That is what is crazy. Maybe I will get the hang of trimming posts on my phone someday. Mike yep, especially since it was working before he fixed it. One of the ultra rare zundfogle engines ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
What really gassed me when I saw the first photos of the surviving passengers walking away from the wreckage was that many of them were pulling their carry on luggage behind them! I would have been walking over people to get out of that thing, baggage be damned! Dan Dan, who is obviously not Pake! Well, Koreans are technically not Pake either, but share the Waste not want not mentality of the Pake. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
WILTON wrote: I noticed that, too. I can hear it now, Uh, uh, wait just a minute. Let me get my bag. Depends on whether you were stuck standing there longer than it took to retrieve the bag. And it wouldn't be fun to land on another continent 20,000 miles from home with zero luggage. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
What really gassed me when I saw the first photos of the surviving passengers walking away from the wreckage was that many of them were pulling their carry on luggage behind them! I would have been walking over people to get out of that thing, baggage be damned! Dan On Jul 8, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: They were under a VFR approach, or at least the day was clear, so anyone looking out the window (and glancing at the airspeed indicator) would have seen they were slow, and not aimed at the runway. Even if they were on an instrument approach the system should have known better than to do that, or to let them do that without all kinds of warnings. Of course the answers will come out at some point, but it sure seems to me like the pilot(s) were not paying attention. BTW, the local responders say it appeared one of the victims contacted our apparatus during the incident. Translation from cop-speak: We ran over the girl. That girl's parents are going to own half of China when they get done with suing the airline and the responder agency. Better call Saul! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
On 08/07/2013 10:04 AM, WILTON wrote: Just saying they didn't HAFTA have it for seemingly such a simple approach with runway in sight from many miles out. 'Understood they were cleared for visual approach. Were they depending on ILS or some other system, anyway, and allowing aircraft to take certain steps automatically without any monitoring? Cockpit was evidently filled with men of MANY hours of experience. Couldn't at least ONE of 'em have monitored airspeed and altitude? How much experience does it take to read airspeed and altitude? Not much. Wilton I am not a pilot so I know very little about this sort of thing but I have to say it was an error or series of errors but unintentional, obviously. The pilots were on the plane and they could easily have been killed in this mess. They obvioulsy made some errors somewhere and almost paid the big price for it. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
No, they are not. I thought that word was an ethnic slur aimed at the Chinese that was commonly used in Hawaii? And for the record, I consider myself frugal, but when my life is in immediate danger, possessions are going to be the last thing I worry about... Dan Dan On Jul 8, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: What really gassed me when I saw the first photos of the surviving passengers walking away from the wreckage was that many of them were pulling their carry on luggage behind them! I would have been walking over people to get out of that thing, baggage be damned! Dan Dan, who is obviously not Pake! Well, Koreans are technically not Pake either, but share the Waste not want not mentality of the Pake. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Trust me, the airlines are providing everything they possibly need at this point, I am sure On Jul 8, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: WILTON wrote: I noticed that, too. I can hear it now, Uh, uh, wait just a minute. Let me get my bag. Depends on whether you were stuck standing there longer than it took to retrieve the bag. And it wouldn't be fun to land on another continent 20,000 miles from home with zero luggage. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Not a slur. Not at all. But it is sometimes used to describe frugal. It is just a word used to describe the origin of a group of people. Portugee is not a slur either. It just describes the origin of that group of Hawaiian people. No, they are not. I thought that word was an ethnic slur aimed at the Chinese that was commonly used in Hawaii? And for the record, I consider myself frugal, but when my life is in immediate danger, possessions are going to be the last thing I worry about... Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d
It is beginning to look that way. I have not given up yet. Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 On Jul 8, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Frederick Moir wrote: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3915708294.html That's one way to fix Esh's fuel delivery problem. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
That happened to me when I went to Japan. Our plane in Boston got taken out of service, they put us on a little puddle jumper to JFK to catch a flight, I could see my bags sitting on a cart on the ramp, it was starting to snow/rain. I told various airline people and the PJ pilot that my bags were right over there (pointing them out on the baggage cart getting soaked) and they kept saying, We'll get them there. Yeah right. Get to Narita, no bags. The NWA Japanese kid there who was dealing with issues was just about to have a stroke apologizing and trying to figure it out. I had silver or gold status on the airline, he was very very helpful, took all my info for the hotel, etc. He found them, said they would be there on the same flight that day (which was getting in tomorrow evening , sunday). So here I am in Tokyo, 6'4 tall, wondering where the hell I am going to find some business clothes on a Sunday for my Monday business meetings. Did not think jeans and a ratty travel shirt would work. I get a call the next evening at the hotel, it is this kid, saying the bags would be there in a hour or so by courier. The bags get there at like 9PM, everything is totally soaked, suits, shirts, underwear, socks, everything. ohsht. So I call the front desk, the guy there knew about the bags, was again apologetic, I tell him I need to get this stuff cleaned before the morning, he says no problem. He comes up, bowing like crazy, says he will take care of it, will be there by 6AM next morning, Monday. I did not sleep much all night since it was daytime for me, but shonuff, 6AM the same kid from the night before shows up with all my stuff, cleaned, pressed, folded, hung, all that, no charge. Some white shirts stained, he said he would try to find some for me, airline would buy them. He would not take a tip, was apologetic the whole time about the airline screwing up (like that was his issue). I ended up getting some money from the airline, the kid from Narita called me again to make sure everything got sorted out. I was amazed at all this. And that there were beer vending machines on like every corner in Tokyo. Then I got back home to Boston where no one gave a s... about anything, much less your concerns over their poor service. --R On 7/8/13 4:41 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: And it wouldn't be fun to land on another continent 20,000 miles from home with zero luggage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
snipA San Francisco airport spokesman said a component of the airport's instrument landing system that tracks an incoming aeroplane's glide path has been out of service in recent weeks and was not operational on Saturday. Pilots and air safety experts said the glide path technology was far from essential for a safe landing in good weather. But Chesley Sully Sullenberger, a retired pilot and safety consultant who gained fame for landing a plane safely in the Hudson river in 2009, said investigators would certainly be looking into the issue. The pilots would have had to rely solely on visual cues to fly the proper glide path to the runway, and not have had available to them the electronic information that they typically have even in good weather at most major airports, he told a local TV news channelsnip http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/07/san-francisco-plane-crash-asiana-airlines One of the drawbacks of computerized control is that people become used to it and forget the underlying functions, then don't comprehend when the automated system is not functioning correctly. This is true of machines, cars, trucks or aircraft. It is analogous to white line hypnosis. Yes, so the lines have been yellow for years, but the hypnosis is the same. If pilots get used to the ILS glidepath, and sensors, bells and whistles to fly, it is easy to understand why they lost sight of altitude and attitude. Not excusable, but understandable. The alarms went off, but by then there was not enough time, altitude or speed to recover. We will see what the final reports say. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Rich Thomas wrote: The bags get there at like 9PM, everything is totally soaked, suits, shirts, underwear, socks, everything. ohsht. Note to self: line luggage with garbage bags. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Yeah, if you're standing/waiting and the bag is right there, OK. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? WILTON wrote: I noticed that, too. I can hear it now, Uh, uh, wait just a minute. Let me get my bag. Depends on whether you were stuck standing there longer than it took to retrieve the bag. And it wouldn't be fun to land on another continent 20,000 miles from home with zero luggage. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Lotta mighty lucky people. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? On 08/07/2013 10:04 AM, WILTON wrote: Just saying they didn't HAFTA have it for seemingly such a simple approach with runway in sight from many miles out. 'Understood they were cleared for visual approach. Were they depending on ILS or some other system, anyway, and allowing aircraft to take certain steps automatically without any monitoring? Cockpit was evidently filled with men of MANY hours of experience. Couldn't at least ONE of 'em have monitored airspeed and altitude? How much experience does it take to read airspeed and altitude? Not much. Wilton I am not a pilot so I know very little about this sort of thing but I have to say it was an error or series of errors but unintentional, obviously. The pilots were on the plane and they could easily have been killed in this mess. They obvioulsy made some errors somewhere and almost paid the big price for it. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Korean airline, not subject to FAA rules in terms of pilot training, etc except where they agree to it. Something was seriously wrong, the pilot flying the plane has landed 747's at SFO multiple times and there isn't THAT much difference between airframes on landing technique -- stay at the correct speeds, keep to the glide slope, etc. Nobody, especially a large aircraft pilot with 10k hours of flying time, is going to seat of the pants a plane full of passengers. We will see, but I wouldn't attribute the crash to stupid pilot until we have a much better idea of what happened and why. Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Somehow they were 34 knots under correct speed, applied power and did not re-gain speed, and had the stick shaker go off. As I said, something strange is going on here, I just don't believe everyone in the cockpit was napping on final approach, the pilot has put big planes on the ground many, many times without incident. It's a good plane too -- no history of winky instruments or funky computer taking over issues, etc. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
En route to my assignment in Greenland in Feb '78, stopped by Colorado Springs to meet The General, have several days of briefings, etc. - no bag arrived with me; went through meeting with General, etc., in casual civvies. General knew immediately what had happened; didn't seem to care; we got along great, anyway, as we should have. First thing he said as I walked into his office, Aha, airline got to ya, huh? Bag with uniforms arrived that evening. Always after that, I wore uniform on trips back and forth to Greenland. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? That happened to me when I went to Japan. Our plane in Boston got taken out of service, they put us on a little puddle jumper to JFK to catch a flight, I could see my bags sitting on a cart on the ramp, it was starting to snow/rain. I told various airline people and the PJ pilot that my bags were right over there (pointing them out on the baggage cart getting soaked) and they kept saying, We'll get them there. Yeah right. Get to Narita, no bags. The NWA Japanese kid there who was dealing with issues was just about to have a stroke apologizing and trying to figure it out. I had silver or gold status on the airline, he was very very helpful, took all my info for the hotel, etc. He found them, said they would be there on the same flight that day (which was getting in tomorrow evening , sunday). So here I am in Tokyo, 6'4 tall, wondering where the hell I am going to find some business clothes on a Sunday for my Monday business meetings. Did not think jeans and a ratty travel shirt would work. I get a call the next evening at the hotel, it is this kid, saying the bags would be there in a hour or so by courier. The bags get there at like 9PM, everything is totally soaked, suits, shirts, underwear, socks, everything. ohsht. So I call the front desk, the guy there knew about the bags, was again apologetic, I tell him I need to get this stuff cleaned before the morning, he says no problem. He comes up, bowing like crazy, says he will take care of it, will be there by 6AM next morning, Monday. I did not sleep much all night since it was daytime for me, but shonuff, 6AM the same kid from the night before shows up with all my stuff, cleaned, pressed, folded, hung, all that, no charge. Some white shirts stained, he said he would try to find some for me, airline would buy them. He would not take a tip, was apologetic the whole time about the airline screwing up (like that was his issue). I ended up getting some money from the airline, the kid from Narita called me again to make sure everything got sorted out. I was amazed at all this. And that there were beer vending machines on like every corner in Tokyo. Then I got back home to Boston where no one gave a s... about anything, much less your concerns over their poor service. --R On 7/8/13 4:41 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: And it wouldn't be fun to land on another continent 20,000 miles from home with zero luggage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?
How old is the battery? Since you don't have an ammeter (which I greatly prefer over an idiot light) it's hard to tell, but I suspect you are drawing lots of amps all the time charging a battery that's dead. When the aux fan kicks in you don't have enough juice. Might check the aux fan too -- if it's running slow due to imminent death, it can pull way too much juice too. Also possible you have bad diodes in the alternator, resulting in low output. Time to take it somewhere and let them check the charging and current draw. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
I've heard several comments on the luggage, and the one that really caught my attention is that it's possible the cabin crew asked them to haul it out. Reports are that the overhead compartments had come open and dumped it all out anyway, and the best way to get it out of the way is for people to grab and run, I've been in a hard enough landing to pop the overheads (727 in 1974 at Louisville). No damage to the plane, but they did check the tires really well and we bounced three times before getting all the wheels on the ground. Crap all over, and that was in the days before people stuffed the overheads with suitcases and backpacks big enough to clog the aisles. Not something I'd sweat much about, they got EVERYONE out, including the badly injured, and no one appears to have been burned, so again, I'd not sweat the luggage. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
NWA was my airline of choice for many years, much because they did a better job taking care of their business passengers. In 8 years of almost weekly travel, I only had my bags lost/delayed once, and that wasn't the airlines fault (I got crosswise with an asshat Customs officer entering Canada in Toronto who tried to detain me, making me miss my flight to Halifax.) As for Japan and vending machines, well, you simply can't understand it unless you see it. Dan Sent from my iPad That happened to me when I went to Japan. Our plane in Boston got taken out of service, they put us on a little puddle jumper to JFK to catch a flight, I could see my bags sitting on a cart on the ramp, it was starting to snow/rain. I told various airline people and the PJ pilot that my bags were right over there (pointing them out on the baggage cart getting soaked) and they kept saying, We'll get them there. Yeah right. Get to Narita, no bags. The NWA Japanese kid there who was dealing with issues was just about to have a stroke apologizing and trying to figure it out. I had silver or gold status on the airline, he was very very helpful, took all my info for the hotel, etc. He found them, said they would be there on the same flight that day (which was getting in tomorrow evening , sunday). So here I am in Tokyo, 6'4 tall, wondering where the hell I am going to find some business clothes on a Sunday for my Monday business meetings. Did not think jeans and a ratty travel shirt would work. I get a call the next evening at the hotel, it is this kid, saying the bags would be there in a hour or so by courier. The bags get there at like 9PM, everything is totally soaked, suits, shirts, underwear, socks, everything. ohsht. So I call the front desk, the guy there knew about the bags, was again apologetic, I tell him I need to get this stuff cleaned before the morning, he says no problem. He comes up, bowing like crazy, says he will take care of it, will be there by 6AM next morning, Monday. I did not sleep much all night since it was daytime for me, but shonuff, 6AM the same kid from the night before shows up with all my stuff, cleaned, pressed, folded, hung, all that, no charge. Some white shirts stained, he said he would try to find some for me, airline would buy them. He would not take a tip, was apologetic the whole time about the airline screwing up (like that was his issue). I ended up getting some money from the airline, the kid from Narita called me again to make sure everything got sorted out. I was amazed at all this. And that there were beer vending machines on like every corner in Tokyo. Then I got back home to Boston where no one gave a s... about anything, much less your concerns over their poor service. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D (now back to AT?) ; -)
Hi Gang - Is this a clue? Don't know if this is related to the Turbo/transmission problem but there's a rattle at steady throttle that seems to come from the gear shift area. Maybe a bushing is broken? Or the Kickdown cable Peter mentioned is possibly broken? Thx Larry On 7/8/2013 9:10 AM, Larry T wrote: Thanks Michael -- I think it does as well.. ;-) Larry On 7/7/2013 4:35 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Hey Larry, I don't know for sure but that name is what a waste gate does. Mike On Jul 7, 2013 12:30 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks Kaleb -- I am reviewing the WSM sections on the Turbo - I need your help on determining the names of the parts. I always thought I knew what a waste gate was -- actually I know what it does and what they look like on some race engines but on this 602-962 engine i have turned to the manuals many illustrations to find the Waste Gate. Question - the illustrations talk of a *Charge Pressure Control Valve* /(09-0050 Function of Exhaust Gas Turbocharger)/ - would this be the Waste Gate? It's the only part with a description that comes close to being a *Waste Gate*. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge - Larry On 7/6/2013 10:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The flapper above the turbo has nothing to do with the turbo. You need to hook it up to the waste gate on the turbo if you are trying to manually operate it to see if you get boost. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 6, 2013, at 8:36 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Gang - Didn't start early doing my trouble shooting - wife worked o'time. But what I did - hooked a vacuum gauge to the vac hose going to the the flapper valve above the Turbo - pulled approx 6 at idle and then went to 10 or more when I revved it up. Then I re-attached the hose to the flapper valve and revved it again - it lifted the flap valve as I think it should. This tells me the turbo is working - no noises from anything. I'm back to the AT not dropping down a gear when I punch it. BTW, my wife tells me she hears a rattle at light throttle. Not sure what to make of that What does the brain trust think? What should I work on next? Thanks Guys, LarryT On 7/6/2013 12:12 PM, Larry T wrote: Thanks Kaleb - first thing I'll try is hooking up the Vac Pump to the Turbo and see what happens I was hoping one of the CVs is damaged as that's fairly common - but a leak in the vac system is also possible - and that may still prove to be a problem. May as well cover the bases. I have some inline filters George Murphy sent me - they are supposed to indicate a blown out CV... As soon as I find a way to hook a line to the vac pump I'll give it a try.. I assume I can hook up the turbo end to the Flapper Valve Controller? Thanks again, LarryT - On 7/6/2013 11:15 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: It's under eds, hundred and some odd pages iirc. Tells you how to test all the stuff. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D (now back to AT?) ; -)
Coupla times with my 123 and 126, I've had rattling shift linkage 'til I had new bushing installed. Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D (now back to AT?) ; -) Hi Gang - Is this a clue? Don't know if this is related to the Turbo/transmission problem but there's a rattle at steady throttle that seems to come from the gear shift area. Maybe a bushing is broken? Or the Kickdown cable Peter mentioned is possibly broken? Thx Larry On 7/8/2013 9:10 AM, Larry T wrote: Thanks Michael -- I think it does as well.. ;-) Larry On 7/7/2013 4:35 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Hey Larry, I don't know for sure but that name is what a waste gate does. Mike On Jul 7, 2013 12:30 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks Kaleb -- I am reviewing the WSM sections on the Turbo - I need your help on determining the names of the parts. I always thought I knew what a waste gate was -- actually I know what it does and what they look like on some race engines but on this 602-962 engine i have turned to the manuals many illustrations to find the Waste Gate. Question - the illustrations talk of a *Charge Pressure Control Valve* /(09-0050 Function of Exhaust Gas Turbocharger)/ - would this be the Waste Gate? It's the only part with a description that comes close to being a *Waste Gate*. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge - Larry On 7/6/2013 10:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The flapper above the turbo has nothing to do with the turbo. You need to hook it up to the waste gate on the turbo if you are trying to manually operate it to see if you get boost. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 6, 2013, at 8:36 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Gang - Didn't start early doing my trouble shooting - wife worked o'time. But what I did - hooked a vacuum gauge to the vac hose going to the the flapper valve above the Turbo - pulled approx 6 at idle and then went to 10 or more when I revved it up. Then I re-attached the hose to the flapper valve and revved it again - it lifted the flap valve as I think it should. This tells me the turbo is working - no noises from anything. I'm back to the AT not dropping down a gear when I punch it. BTW, my wife tells me she hears a rattle at light throttle. Not sure what to make of that What does the brain trust think? What should I work on next? Thanks Guys, LarryT On 7/6/2013 12:12 PM, Larry T wrote: Thanks Kaleb - first thing I'll try is hooking up the Vac Pump to the Turbo and see what happens I was hoping one of the CVs is damaged as that's fairly common - but a leak in the vac system is also possible - and that may still prove to be a problem. May as well cover the bases. I have some inline filters George Murphy sent me - they are supposed to indicate a blown out CV... As soon as I find a way to hook a line to the vac pump I'll give it a try.. I assume I can hook up the turbo end to the Flapper Valve Controller? Thanks again, LarryT - On 7/6/2013 11:15 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: It's under eds, hundred and some odd pages iirc. Tells you how to test all the stuff. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
They took care of me on the flight over and back too. I pretty much anesthetized myself for most of the 11 or 14 hours or whatever it was, both ways. I flew back to Houston from Tokyo, I might have stopped en route somewhere to change planes, I forget. Oh, I remember now too -- I was on a 747 on the way over, it was raining like hell at JFK (snow in Boston closed the airport right after we left) and I got the seat in the lower deck right under the upper deck starboard door. It was leaking considerably, dripping down through the lights and such above my seat, right onto my head and neck. I pointed out to the FA that this might be an issue, electrics and all that in there and in the ceiling/floor above, through which I am sure ran a number of flight controls and such. That was aside from the fact I was getting this shower on my head and seat. She gave me a tea towel from the galley, and said it would be OK once we took off and pressurized the plane, and the door sealed up. I thought maybe the pilots might want to know their airplane was leaking like a sieve, but she was pretty much unconcerned. Oh well. She did keep the food and refreshments flowing so that kinda made up for it. --R On 7/8/13 6:38 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: NWA was my airline of choice for many years, much because they did a better job taking care of their business passengers. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SLS vid
Rich wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haR2Q4JfWdc Oh. Not about Self Leveling Suspension -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?
If you put a load tester on the old battery, I'm betting it will show it is
no longer capable of holding full charge when under load. Max AC puts load
on battery, battery discharge rate is greater than it's now able to intake
and hold charge, Alt output from regulator increases to try to make up the
shortage = Alt light comes on.
Suggestion: Drop by your local FLAPS and ask them for a charging system
check... most will do it free and are equipped to do so. Load test
battery, and load test alternator with AC on engine running. [be ready for
a new battery, I'm betting].
Good luck,
Grant...
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
I hate to disrupt the airplane theorizing but I've got a car question.
Friday I noticed that if I had the AC on ('84 190D) the alternator light
would glow on my car. If I turned the AC off the light would dim and after
a couple minutes would go out completely.
Its pretty hot here (80F when I got to work at 8:30am) so I'd like to use
the AC. The alternator is relatively new (February?) but the battery is
quite old. Is it possible an old battery would cause this?
Years ago my '83 240D ate 3 or 4 alternators before I finally replaced the
battery (which was on its last legs) and it never had another failure until
the engine died of a broken oil cooler line. I'm wondering if its the same
thing here. The car starts fine but its an easy starting 197,000 engine...
-Curt
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[MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
On Jul 8, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I would add that from the video I've seen, where the aircraft strikes the ground and then does a near 360 spin up into the air and then slams down again, it's a remarkable testament to the build quality of the 777 that it remained mostly in one piece. I wonder how the (787?), which supposedly has a lot of plastic structural parts, would fare in that situation? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
My son is interested in these things - he drives a lear35. flyingprofessors.net/what-happened-to-asiana-airlines-flight-214-2/ See if you can wade thru that. Seems to be somewhat thorough. may ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D (now back to AT?) ; -)
I had a rebuilt AT from Rusty installed about 2 years ago - don't know if new bushings were installed at that time. But that might explain the AT not downshifting. Plus, in 2 years the bushings may have worn out... Have been unable to find anything in the WSM so far But MB has always been secretive about their AT stuff. Well, not secretive but you had to search for it... Thanks Wilton - Larry MB has always been like that. 8/2013 6:52 PM, WILTON wrote: Coupla times with my 123 and 126, I've had rattling shift linkage 'til I had new bushing installed. Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D (now back to AT?) ; -) Hi Gang - Is this a clue? Don't know if this is related to the Turbo/transmission problem but there's a rattle at steady throttle that seems to come from the gear shift area. Maybe a bushing is broken? Or the Kickdown cable Peter mentioned is possibly broken? Thx Larry On 7/8/2013 9:10 AM, Larry T wrote: Thanks Michael -- I think it does as well.. ;-) Larry On 7/7/2013 4:35 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Hey Larry, I don't know for sure but that name is what a waste gate does. Mike On Jul 7, 2013 12:30 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks Kaleb -- I am reviewing the WSM sections on the Turbo - I need your help on determining the names of the parts. I always thought I knew what a waste gate was -- actually I know what it does and what they look like on some race engines but on this 602-962 engine i have turned to the manuals many illustrations to find the Waste Gate. Question - the illustrations talk of a *Charge Pressure Control Valve* /(09-0050 Function of Exhaust Gas Turbocharger)/ - would this be the Waste Gate? It's the only part with a description that comes close to being a *Waste Gate*. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge - Larry On 7/6/2013 10:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The flapper above the turbo has nothing to do with the turbo. You need to hook it up to the waste gate on the turbo if you are trying to manually operate it to see if you get boost. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 6, 2013, at 8:36 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Gang - Didn't start early doing my trouble shooting - wife worked o'time. But what I did - hooked a vacuum gauge to the vac hose going to the the flapper valve above the Turbo - pulled approx 6 at idle and then went to 10 or more when I revved it up. Then I re-attached the hose to the flapper valve and revved it again - it lifted the flap valve as I think it should. This tells me the turbo is working - no noises from anything. I'm back to the AT not dropping down a gear when I punch it. BTW, my wife tells me she hears a rattle at light throttle. Not sure what to make of that What does the brain trust think? What should I work on next? Thanks Guys, LarryT On 7/6/2013 12:12 PM, Larry T wrote: Thanks Kaleb - first thing I'll try is hooking up the Vac Pump to the Turbo and see what happens I was hoping one of the CVs is damaged as that's fairly common - but a leak in the vac system is also possible - and that may still prove to be a problem. May as well cover the bases. I have some inline filters George Murphy sent me - they are supposed to indicate a blown out CV... As soon as I find a way to hook a line to the vac pump I'll give it a try.. I assume I can hook up the turbo end to the Flapper Valve Controller? Thanks again, LarryT - On 7/6/2013 11:15 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: It's under eds, hundred and some odd pages iirc. Tells you how to test all the stuff. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
--R wrote: Yeah, airspeed and altitude, that's the ticket. You run out of either one and you are in a world of hurt. The Buffalo syndrome. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Far as I know, all trans-pacific flights use dual crews. The flight times exceed FAA allowable duty day, so crew 1 flys first leg, crew 2 replaces them somewhere mid pacific while crew 1 goes to crew rest compartment. The details will eventually come out in the FAA investigation. Bottom line.. touchdown prior to runway threshold, off improved space, impact with ground at high angle of attach it appears, removed tail surface resulting impact by hard landing with remaining structure. The most worthless things in aviation. Altitude above you, runway behind you, airspeed that you don't have, fuel back at the airport, and planning you didn't do ahead of time. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I thought it was more like 37 hours. How long is the flight from Korea to SFO? Gotta be 15-18 hours... -Curt Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:51:21 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Message-ID: 8e7461e2-c5f6-4730-b697-a0b47442d...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. Oops! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Dieselhead wrote: One of the drawbacks of computerized control is that people become used to it and forget the underlying functions, then don't comprehend when the automated system is not functioning correctly. For sure!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?
Peter wrote: How old is the battery? Since you don't have an ammeter (which I greatly prefer over an idiot light) it's hard to tell, but I suspect you are drawing lots of amps all the time charging a battery that's dead. When the aux fan kicks in you don't have enough juice. Could also be a slipping belt. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
All of the trans-pacific flights I ever flew carried two full crews. I was flying to Schipol (Amsterdam) one time on a 747-400 in business class, as we always got to fly business class on any trip totaling more than 8 hours transit time, which meant anything overseas was business class. This was on a KLM flight, as KLM and El-Al were the only two carriers corporate security would approve for us to fly to Europe and the Middle East (I was on my way to Cairo.) Right after takeoff, I went to recline my seat and the seat back promptly broke, making me recline (quite literally) into the person behind me. The purser was in her seat at the bulkhead and came running back to sort things out. She offered me a seat in coach since business class was full, which I politely refused, asking for an alternative. I was hoping they would put me in first class... She excused herself to go forward and talk to the flight crew. She came back a minute later and asked me to follow her. I got to sit/bunk in the crew's quarters for the remainder of the flight! This is a small bunk room that is at the top of the stairs on the upper deck of some 747-400s (I believe some of the other models have these as well.) I got to literally sleep in a bed with inflight entertainment and plenty of food/drink all the way over. It was a wonderful flight. A little cramped, but still better than the business class seats. Dan On Jul 8, 2013, at 7:29 PM, G Mann wrote: Far as I know, all trans-pacific flights use dual crews. The flight times exceed FAA allowable duty day, so crew 1 flys first leg, crew 2 replaces them somewhere mid pacific while crew 1 goes to crew rest compartment. The details will eventually come out in the FAA investigation. Bottom line.. touchdown prior to runway threshold, off improved space, impact with ground at high angle of attach it appears, removed tail surface resulting impact by hard landing with remaining structure. The most worthless things in aviation. Altitude above you, runway behind you, airspeed that you don't have, fuel back at the airport, and planning you didn't do ahead of time. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I thought it was more like 37 hours. How long is the flight from Korea to SFO? Gotta be 15-18 hours... -Curt Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:51:21 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Message-ID: 8e7461e2-c5f6-4730-b697-a0b47442d...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. Oops! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Who Farted Up the Elevator?
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Re: [MBZ] Haters come hate speed humps, spoon drains, etc!
I thought Meiman (sp?) and the Finns were mounting them verticaly in the right front of the engine compartment. The only thing the bumper is protecting in the radiator - not you - it's not safety - On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: I went over a couple speed bumps for a test. I will be backing into all future parking spots! this was the best fit you can get on a w124 without cutting away at the bumper support. Rolf who prefers safety -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?
Wouldn't the gizmo whose name I'm forgetting shut off the AC if the belt is slipping? Should be on all the serpentine belt cars. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Could also be a slipping belt. -- Philip -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Really need the money ive lowered the price once again
I think they have it priced fairly http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/3920471229.html must be towed home, needs TLC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Really need the moneingsy ive lowered the price once again
The word unlovely springs to mind,.. On Jul 8, 2013 8:35 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I think they have it priced fairly http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/3920471229.html must be towed home, needs TLC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SLS vid
Thats what I thought too. BTW I managed to burn a hole through the generator in that *^%$! Mil-spec you traded me. ;) -Curt Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 18:05:37 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] SLS vid Message-ID: 20130708180537.4fad3...@jasper.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Rich wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haR2Q4JfWdc Oh. Not about Self Leveling Suspension -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
