Re: [MBZ] Cleaning leather work gloves
Had a friend who got spots of black grease on his dress pants from fixing his diesel while on a trip. He sprayed the spots with starting ether and wiped them with a rag or paper towel several times and the spots were soon gone. Been meaning to try that on two jackets soiled with black oil. I'll report back if I ever remember to do it. Back in the 1930s something people called naphtha or cleaning fluid was a popular cleaner. I was sometimes sent down to the corner filling station with a jug for naphtha or spirits. I think it was just white gas such as is found in lighters or camp stoves. Lots of wool clothing back then, which couldn't be washed in water, was usually taken to a dry cleaner. The naphtha was probably used to spot clean the wool clothing. Might work for leather but leather would have to be re-oiled afterwards. Gerry On 12/28/2013 10:51 PM, OK Don wrote: Now you've gotten me thinking about this - I'm going to try some Goop or other water-less hand cleaner on a pair of leather gloves that I turned almost black with old grease. If successful, I'll report back. If not, I'll just save them for the next very dirty job. On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 17:05:34 -0800 Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote: I got to wondering what I should do with my canvas/leather gloves when they get oil stained, but not oil soaked. I have several pairs that I would like to clean up, but only if I can do so with minimal effort, as they are not expensive gloves. Putting them in the laundry will shrink and stiffen them. What would happen if I put them in the dishwasher (assuming I don't get caught)? I would guess that would be worse. There is a lot of water flying around in dishwashers, and the soaps are stronger. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E Question
Don't know. I'll be getting into it this afternoon, I hope. The boy is constantly on the go, so it's tough to get him to stick around long enough for me to get a chance to check things out...it's relatively cool right now (70s F) so I won't be able to recreate the conditions he describes. Dan On Dec 28, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: There have been some good suggestions so far, the M103 does have issues with hardened hoses, which control the idle air circuit. One question is, does the idle speed change when you turn on the AC? It should not change much at all, if the revs drop noticeably then there may be an issue with the system not recognising that the AC is switched on. Hendrik whose M103 is behaving well enough On 28/12/13 22:21, Dan Penoff wrote: At this point I haven't checked anything, as he just told me about the issue yesterday. Since it' s not that warm here right now there's not a lot I can do about it. It is supposed to get into the mid 80s today, but that's probably nit warm enough to cause the problem. I'm going to go over everything in general tomorrow when I have some time. Thanks for the suggestions! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OBDII Wireless Scanner
Anyone using one of the wireless OBDII devices to monitor their car's operation with a smartphone or tablet? If so, what are you using? Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
Craig wrote: On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 10:38:36 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: http://jalopnik.com/this-is-how-mercedes-amg-hand-builds-every-single-engin-1487869406 Indeed! The level of specialized tooling is amazing, even the jig to allow the pistons to just be pushed down, compressing the rings, and into the block. I was impressed by the RTV robot that put the sealant on the oil pan. That's one way to keep people from squirting too much of the stuff. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Psychopath test
M. Mitchell Marmel wrote: At 9:02 PM -0600 12/27/13, Mountain Man wrote: Another test for fun. How psycho are we: psychopath.channel4.com/quizzes.html 58% here... I knew I was on the low scoring side of most of the questions, so even when I couldn't get past the demographic questions in Firefox I figured I'd be under 40%. Finally got curious enough to fire up Internet Exploder and give it another try. 33%. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
Jerry Herrman wrote: Slow day here. Terrific video. He made it look easy assembling that engine. I was wondering about his level of skill. Is he just an assembler? How long would it take to become proficient at that job? IMO, he's just working as an assembler, but he could very well be capable of thought and craftsmanship. The only thing I witnessed that involved craftsmanship was the positioning of his nametag on the engine at the end. Everything else was just following instructions. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is getting weird 107 ABS brakes
Good ideas. Thanks! I suspect your ABS requires higher PSI to bleed vs non-ABS. But that's hearsay and a guess, not based on my experience. I bought the rubber domes from the stealer. As I recall, they are part of the low-fluid sensor system. The old domes just pry up; they snap on or in (don't recall detail). Get the new ones first because the old ones may tear when you remove them. That was well over 10 years ago and they didn't leak last week when I replaced my front calipers. I think I pumped to about 15 PSI. Maybe they would leak at a higher pressure you might need. I can't help you much with the reservoir cap. My commercial (Motive Products) bleeder came with a nice metal cap with no groove. I think mine does have some sort of rubber seal so maybe that's the ticket. I did remove the crimped hose clamps from my commercial hose and replaced then with regular hose clamps. This lets me screw on the cap and then slip on and clamp the hose, vs twisting the hose and then untwisting by turning the sprayer tank. Also, after my original hose self-destructed (possibly from contact with brake fluid) I remove and rinse out the new hose after use (and blow out the H2O with compressed air). Hope this helps. Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is getting weird 107 ABS brakes
On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 01:43:46 -0500 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I suspect your ABS requires higher PSI to bleed vs non-ABS. But that's hearsay and a guess, not based on my experience. I do remember discussion from 10 or so years ago that ABS does require higher pressure to pressure bleed. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
Slow day here. Terrific video. He made it look easy assembling that engine. I was wondering about his level of skill. Is he just an assembler? Most likely How long would it take to become proficient at that job? about a week. There are probably cheater cards, or more likely, the parts are laid out in the sequence of assembly. This method of assembly is known as modular production. In many cases it is lower cost than assembly line production. sauer Sundstrand dumped a very elaborate robotic parts storage and retrieval system, and lines, to go to a modular high velocity system. The results were amazing. Much faster turn around of orders. It allows building a production run of one unit, rather than waiting until there were enough orders to justify a line change. Assembly costs went way down. errors went down quality went up. They use a parts picker to assemble the parts needed for each transmission, then the parts are staged for the assembly cell. A cell might make the same thing all day for an OE order, or might make a series of different transmissions for replacement orders. THey also use a modification of this system to repair/rebuild transmissions. At AMG, they may specify the exact sizes from the parts suppliers, (.001mm) or they have the parts picker matching pistons to bore ahead of time. Modern machining allows all cyl to be the same within .001mm and the same for pistons. Process control (SPC) and better machines make this possible. It is the main reason why american engines routinely go 300k miles , not 40k to 120k as in the 60s. Does he need to be an auto mechanic to perform that job? no For example, would he need to have the knowledge and/or skill to mic up a worn engine, determine how much to shave off the crankshaft journals, determine what size bearing inserts would be needed, etc. no Would he be able to perform this job using ordinary hand tools (wrenches, sockets, etc.)? Maybe. That would depend on the mechanical skills acquired off the job. Just wondering. Jerry 82 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
Dieselhead wrote: At AMG, they may specify the exact sizes from the parts suppliers, (.001mm) or they have the parts picker matching pistons to bore ahead of time. Modern machining allows all cyl to be the same within .001mm and the same for pistons. Process control (SPC) and better machines make this possible. It is the main reason why american engines routinely go 300k miles , not 40k to 120k as in the 60s. I thought it was partly due to better oil but mainly due to the demise of carburetors and chokes, eliminating wash down of the cylinder walls and reducing dilution of the oil. Were the first TBI small block Chevy engines (which routinely went 200k+) that much different from the 1950s versions? OTOH, the first car I ever took to 200k had a non feedback carburetor, I drove it for quite some time with a dead choke pull-off solenoid, and it never saw a drop of synthetic oil. The engine was heavily worn by the time I drove it to the junkyard, but it still went over 1000 miles on a quart of oil. It was a very early 1980 (assembled in the spring of 1979) Chevy Citation with the 2.5 liter Iron Duke from the Pontiac Astre. The original owner worked in Detroit and lived in Lansing, so it had 145k mostly highway miles when I bought it in 1985. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Subject: Re: Cleaning leather work gloves
Try using Awesome or Amazin sold at dollar stores . It's butyl based . This will degrease your gloves as well as any article of clothing that's been dieselized Bob ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
The Iron Duke was a European design, not a US one, which may have had something to do with the longevity (along with new, rather than 50 year old, manufacturing equipment). GM was well known for sloppy manufacture and nickel and dimeing a good design into junk by saving miniscule amounts of money in stupid places by using low quality materials. On top of that, the management structure allowed high level people to screw with things after the engineering was done (Ed Cole was famous for this, including the disaster of the aluminum block used in the Vega -- he personally removed the cooling passage between cylinder pairs to save money, resulting in self-destructing engines). Emissions warranty requirements fixed all that, with the manufacturer responsible for the car passing emissions testing at 50,000 miles with only normal maintenance. Suddenly GM discovered that all their engine manufacturing equipment was junk -- on the 350, it was common for the crankpins on the crank to be up to 0.030 off center in ANY direction, different for each crankpin, lifter bores were up to 0.100 off center and up to 10 degrees off true, valve seats and guides were machined directly into the soft cast iron head (1920's cheap junk manufacture that wasn't used in Europe after the 30's in decent engines), and so forth. Cylinder bores are better, pistons fit better, and rings seal better with less wear. And everything has an oil filter -- I can remember when oil filters were optional equipment! I'm sure Chrysler and Ford were only slightly better -- Ford was selling that 250 straight six with the intake cast into the head up to the mid 80's, a real piece of junk. Chrysler was probably the best of the bunch because they had real engineers doing real research work up to the late 60's, but none of them used any real SPC system to make quality parts and hence the engines (and everything else) were highly variable in finish and fit. Things are much better now, if you don't get 250,000 miles out of a vehicle you haven't changed the oil or done something else foolish. Oil is vastly better as well, and makes a big contribution to engine life. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] migration
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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
Peter Frederick wrote: The Iron Duke was a European design, not a US one, which may have had something to do with the longevity (along with new, rather than 50 year old, manufacturing equipment). I thought it was half a 301 V-8. (and so does Wiki) You've got a point about the tooling being made in 1976 while GM was feeling the pain from the Vega engine. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning leather work gloves
Hmmm, perhaps the same leather cleaner/rejuvenater we use on leather MB seats? Leatherique? On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Watching the AMG tech assemble the V-8 engine was a delight. Hearing the shop background noises and sound of the machinery/tools enhanced the experience for me. Seeing that his gloves got oil on them, I got to wondering what I should do with my canvas/leather gloves when they get oil stained, but not oil soaked. I have several pairs that I would like to clean up, but only if I can do so with minimal effort, as they are not expensive gloves. Putting them in the laundry will shrink and stiffen them. What would happen if I put them in the dishwasher (assuming I don't get caught)? Jerry 82 240D You won't get them to look new. Leather likes animal oils. Mink oil. Neatsfoot oil is a common leather dressing, but I have seen neither a neat or its foot. (dunno what is in it) Our ancestors and those in bear country used bear grease to treat leather. My guess is you could clean them to some extent with saddle soap, then treat with mink oil. soap and water will remove the natural oils and they might break when you tried to get them un-stiffened. you can clean polished leather surfaces lightly with soap and water, but you don't want to soak them in water. Neatsfoot oil was used to keep harness leather in condition. (unless someone happened to trap mink and render the fat.) They are nasty smelly lil things. Any saddle/tack shop or western store should have mink oil, saddle soap and neatsfoot oil. Some farm stores will have some, none, one or all ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
I was impressed with the robot that torqued all of the head bolts at one time - On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Craig wrote: The level of specialized tooling is amazing, even the jig to allow the pistons to just be pushed down, compressing the rings, and into the block. I was impressed by the RTV robot that put the sealant on the oil pan. That's one way to keep people from squirting too much of the stuff. Mitch. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
Dieselhead wrote: At AMG, they may specify the exact sizes from the parts suppliers, (.001mm) or they have the parts picker matching pistons to bore ahead of time. Modern machining allows all cyl to be the same within .001mm and the same for pistons. Process control (SPC) and better machines make this possible. It is the main reason why american engines routinely go 300k miles , not 40k to 120k as in the 60s. I thought it was partly due to better oil but mainly due to the demise of carburetors and chokes, eliminating wash down of the cylinder walls and reducing dilution of the oil. Were the first TBI small block Chevy engines (which routinely went 200k+) that much different from the 1950s versions? OTOH, the first car I ever took to 200k had a non feedback carburetor, I drove it for quite some time with a dead choke pull-off solenoid, and it never saw a drop of synthetic oil. The engine was heavily worn by the time I drove it to the junkyard, but it still went over 1000 miles on a quart of oil. It was a very early 1980 (assembled in the spring of 1979) Chevy Citation with the 2.5 liter Iron Duke from the Pontiac Astre. The original owner worked in Detroit and lived in Lansing, so it had 145k mostly highway miles when I bought it in 1985. Mitch. Fuel INj may have some part in the improvement, but it mostly is due to the new automated machining centers. Where most tolerances were + or - .005 and Pistons etc+ or - .001, now production tolerances can be .001 and pistons etc can be .0005 or less. Metallurgy and other factors contribute too. The mid 60s GM 6 cyl had such bad cast iron they would be too worn at 40k to 60 k miles to be able to bore them and rebuild. A true throw away engine. But the order of magnitude more precise machining along with the tools of quality (re-imported from Japan) made the long life of our OM60x engines possible. The OM61x engines long life came from craftsmen carefully selecting and fitting variable pieces together. with today's possible manufacturing tolerances, it is not out of the question to grab a block, grab 8 pistons out of a box and have a perfect fit on the crank and all 8 bores. Reliability and repeatability of measurement, and of manufacturing is the key. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] alternative to leather. Was - Cleaning leather work gloves
G wrote: I believe, on close inspection, you will find the assembly guy wearing a type of work glove that is a cotton glove with the fingers and palm coated with some type of silicone like material that is both tough and oil resistant. The inside of the glove, being cotton is quite comfortable to wear in a hands on work environment, as the cotton wicks away normal hand sweat unlike nitrile or latex surgical glove. I have been using this kind of work glove for the past two years rather than leather. They are less expensive, hold up well, and cheap enough that once contaminated, I don't feel cheated to dispose of them. Unlike leather gloves. The tactile feel of this kind of glove is surprisingly good in being able to pick up small parts for assembly. I like mine.They have a nitrile coating on the palm side. They are stretchy enough to actually fit snug. The provide a little bit of warmth, and the rubbery surface can provide more grip than skin in some cases. I agree they are remarkably usable for picking up small parts, though the finger technique is a bit different than with real skin. Some situations the grip is too much - like when I'm splitting or chopping wood. My hand needs to slide on the handle. They are also not as tough as the leather, so for grabbing rose/blackberry/etc thorny branches I prefer leather. I was just out hauling firewood in the wheelbarrow. I wore leather when I was getting wood out of the brambles when loading - but I switched to the knit+nitrile for holding on to the wheelbarrow handles. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
I think getting their butts kicked by the Japanese may have had something to do with it, even though there were millions of Americans that would NEVER buy a Jap car. -Original Message- From: Peter Frederick Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 11:34 AM ... Emissions warranty requirements fixed all that, with the manufacturer responsible for the car passing emissions testing at 50,000 miles with only normal maintenance. Suddenly GM discovered that all their engine manufacturing equipment was junk ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] S600 eBay Deal
For the price it's not bad the engine is worth it. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-Base-Sedan-4-Door-1999-mercedes-benz-s-600-base-sedan-4-door-6-0-l-good-/350964744018?forcerrptr=truehash=item51b720ff52item=350964744018pt=US_Cars_Trucks Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
How much of that crowd bought Geo's? (The prizm in particular)... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Dec 29, 2013, at 18:38, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I think getting their butts kicked by the Japanese may have had something to do with it, even though there were millions of Americans that would NEVER buy a Jap car. -Original Message- From: Peter Frederick Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 11:34 AM ... Emissions warranty requirements fixed all that, with the manufacturer responsible for the car passing emissions testing at 50,000 miles with only normal maintenance. Suddenly GM discovered that all their engine manufacturing equipment was junk ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
That was the wake up call for sure! Frod thought they could produce a quality product by saying quality is job one, but it was not until the mid 80s when they contracted Mazda to build some transmissions for tauri, that they got a startk contrast in warranty claims, lots for frod, almost none for mazda, that frod FINALLY learned about the tools of quality and manufacturing to spec, not to a range. I think getting their butts kicked by the Japanese may have had something to do with it, even though there were millions of Americans that would NEVER buy a Jap car. -Original Message- From: Peter Frederick Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 11:34 AM ... Emissions warranty requirements fixed all that, with the manufacturer responsible for the car passing emissions testing at 50,000 miles with only normal maintenance. Suddenly GM discovered that all their engine manufacturing equipment was junk ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is getting weird 107 ABS brakes
When ABS is working correctly, I never noticed much difference. It may take another lb or 2 psi. I re-bled everything this afternoon. I didn't notice any air. The RF still runs slower than the others. When driving, if you apply the brakes gently, the car pulls left badly. If you brake hard, it stops evenly. I believe the ABS unit may still be a problem. Trying to change it may result in having to replace all the steel lines, as they are jammed into the ABS unit so hard that even a flare nut wrench rounds the corners of the hex head. I am hoping that letting her drive it and brake hard when nobody is close behind, along with changing fluid often might straighten it out. On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 01:43:46 -0500 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I suspect your ABS requires higher PSI to bleed vs non-ABS. But that's hearsay and a guess, not based on my experience. I do remember discussion from 10 or so years ago that ABS does require higher pressure to pressure bleed. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
I never could see any need for a geo or a saturn. How much of that crowd bought Geo's? (The prizm in particular)... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is getting weird 107 ABS brakes
Could it be a problem with the wheel speed sensors or the controller? I've never worked on ABS but it seems that that sensor would be the most vulnerable part. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 7:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is getting weird 107 ABS brakes When ABS is working correctly, I never noticed much difference. It may take another lb or 2 psi. I re-bled everything this afternoon. I didn't notice any air. The RF still runs slower than the others. When driving, if you apply the brakes gently, the car pulls left badly. If you brake hard, it stops evenly. I believe the ABS unit may still be a problem. Trying to change it may result in having to replace all the steel lines, as they are jammed into the ABS unit so hard that even a flare nut wrench rounds the corners of the hex head. I am hoping that letting her drive it and brake hard when nobody is close behind, along with changing fluid often might straighten it out. On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 01:43:46 -0500 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I suspect your ABS requires higher PSI to bleed vs non-ABS. But that's hearsay and a guess, not based on my experience. I do remember discussion from 10 or so years ago that ABS does require higher pressure to pressure bleed. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is getting weird 107 ABS brakes
That should not restrict the flow, or prevent the flow of fluid. THe check valves are in the ABS unit. I cleaned the pickup and the rotor on both front wheels. I think the rear pickup is in the diff. Could it be a problem with the wheel speed sensors or the controller? I've never worked on ABS but it seems that that sensor would be the most vulnerable part. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 7:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is getting weird 107 ABS brakes When ABS is working correctly, I never noticed much difference. It may take another lb or 2 psi. I re-bled everything this afternoon. I didn't notice any air. The RF still runs slower than the others. When driving, if you apply the brakes gently, the car pulls left badly. If you brake hard, it stops evenly. I believe the ABS unit may still be a problem. Trying to change it may result in having to replace all the steel lines, as they are jammed into the ABS unit so hard that even a flare nut wrench rounds the corners of the hex head. I am hoping that letting her drive it and brake hard when nobody is close behind, along with changing fluid often m ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
I wonder if the manufacturing process is good enough to produce a balanced engine without cherry picking and matching parts? I was told (don't know if it's true) that MB engines, at least back in the 61x days were dynamically balanced at the factory. I didn't see any evidence of that in the video, but there was a lot we didn't see as well. On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: With today's possible manufacturing tolerances, it is not out of the question to grab a block, grab 8 pistons out of a box and have a perfect fit on the crank and all 8 bores. Reliability and repeatability of measurement, and of manufacturing is the key. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Bentley Engine
Here's a video of the assembly of the Bentley engine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slQ9E1s1FuQ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning leather work gloves
Dieselhead wrote: Neatsfoot oil is a common leather dressing, but I have seen neither a neat or its foot. (dunno what is in it) Neat is an old, old term for cow. From http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neat Definition of NEAT the common domestic bovine (Bos taurus) Origin of NEAT Middle English neet, from Old English nēat; akin to Old High German nōz head of cattle, Old English nēotan to make use of, Lithuanian nauda use First Known Use: before 12th century --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
Dieselhead wrote: Modern machining allows all cyl to be the same within .001mm and the same for pistons. Process control (SPC) and better machines make this possible. It is the main reason why american engines routinely go 300k miles , not 40k to 120k as in the 60s. Mitch wrote: I thought it was partly due to better oil but mainly due to the demise of carburetors and chokes, eliminating wash down of the cylinder walls and reducing dilution of the oil. Were the first TBI small block Chevy engines (which routinely went 200k+) that much different from the 1950s versions? Maybe. I think the place to look is the mid 1980's. See if an '83 engine with a carburetor typically wore out sooner than an '86 with a TBI. My _guess_ is it's about the same. --Philip, guessing with little data. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] MB vs. BMW
Guess who wins? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY5oSik1eHs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
I doubt a MB of the 00s until now needs to be balanced. Probably from the 90s on. I wonder if the manufacturing process is good enough to produce a balanced engine without cherry picking and matching parts? I was told (don't know if it's true) that MB engines, at least back in the 61x days were dynamically balanced at the factory. I didn't see any evidence of that in the video, but there was a lot we didn't see as well. On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: With today's possible manufacturing tolerances, it is not out of the question to grab a block, grab 8 pistons out of a box and have a perfect fit on the crank and all 8 bores. Reliability and repeatability of measurement, and of manufacturing is the key. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
It looked like there might have been a small LCD terminal at the one end of the engine assembly stand along with the laser scanner that was next to it. -Original Message- From: Scott Ritchey Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 8:38 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is interesting I was impressed by the apparent lack of fitting or selecting parts. Everything just seemed to fit. Maybe the precision and repeatability is actually that good (my engine rebuilding days were in the 69s and 70s). I was also impressed by the lack of any checklists, assembly guides, technical data, etc. Again, maybe that just how the video was made. In an ordinary factory the physical arrangement of the assembly line and the limited scope of individuals' jobs can overcome the need for such guides but it looks like this one guy did it all. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning leather work gloves
In antique cars trucks with vacuum wipers the sweep inside motor was leather. Had to use neatsfoot oil to swell soften leather to produce enough vacuum. I carried it in my 50 dodge 1/2 ton. On Dec 29, 2013 8:20 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Dieselhead wrote: Neatsfoot oil is a common leather dressing, but I have seen neither a neat or its foot. (dunno what is in it) Neat is an old, old term for cow. From http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neat Definition of NEAT the common domestic bovine (Bos taurus) Origin of NEAT Middle English neet, from Old English nēat; akin to Old High German nōz head of cattle, Old English nēotan to make use of, Lithuanian nauda use First Known Use: before 12th century --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
Yes the RTV robot was most impressive. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 29, 2013, at 8:55 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Craig wrote: On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 10:38:36 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: http://jalopnik.com/this-is-how-mercedes-amg-hand-builds-every-single-engin-1487869406 Indeed! The level of specialized tooling is amazing, even the jig to allow the pistons to just be pushed down, compressing the rings, and into the block. I was impressed by the RTV robot that put the sealant on the oil pan. That's one way to keep people from squirting too much of the stuff. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB vs. BMW
Guess who wins? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY5oSik1eHs Tell us. after suffering through 15 seconds of ad and 12 min of blather, it popped up an ad for the magazine that covered the action and could not be dismissed, then it went to the rag's subscribe page. I went back , but it started the stupid ad again so I shut the window. Its a freaking waste of time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting upe1ujyz
rmassm...@embarqmail.com wrote: It looked like there might have been a small LCD terminal at the one end of the engine assembly stand along with the laser scanner that was next to it. 45 seconds into the video, he's standing at a computer terminal with a handful of papers. Then he walks away from the terminal and puts the papers on his cart/engine stand. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB vs. BMW
They do finally get to driving and comparing the cars. Of course, the MB wins. On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 8:46 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Guess who wins? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY5oSik1eHs Tell us. after suffering through 15 seconds of ad and 12 min of blather, it popped up an ad for the magazine that covered the action and could not be dismissed, then it went to the rag's subscribe page. I went back , but it started the stupid ad again so I shut the window. Its a freaking waste of time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal upe1ujyz
For comparison, there are 6 VW Phaetons on eBay right now, all are V8s, and only one has a current bid less than the buy it now on the S600. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB vs. BMW upe1ujyz
Dieselhead wrote: Guess who wins? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY5oSik1eHs Tell us. The AMG won narrowly, but I got the idea that they liked the M5 Competition a LOT more than the regular M5. I suspect the E63 AMG would have beat the M5 by a wider margin than the E63 AMG S beat the M5 Competition. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB vs. BMW
On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 20:46:13 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Guess who wins? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY5oSik1eHs Tell us. after suffering through 15 seconds of ad and 12 min of blather, it popped up an ad for the magazine that covered the action and could not be dismissed, then it went to the rag's subscribe page. I went back , but it started the stupid ad again so I shut the window. What kind of browser are you using? I hope not IE. With Seamonkey on Linux and No-Script blocking googletagservices.com and plus.googleapis.com there never was a hint of a pop-up ad nor any going to the Motor Trend website. In fact, I did not get 15 seconds of ad at the start, either. Its a freaking waste of time. It may be that, but I watched it with the sound muted while I was listening to parts of Handel's Messiah streamed from a small broadcaster in New York. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB vs. BMW
What kind of browser are you using? I hope not IE. Safari. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB vs. BMW
On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 21:39:11 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of browser are you using? I hope not IE. Safari. So you are using a Mac. Is Safari the only browser choice? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB vs. BMW
So what's the problem with using IE? On Dec 29, 2013 11:01 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 21:39:11 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of browser are you using? I hope not IE. Safari. So you are using a Mac. Is Safari the only browser choice? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB vs. BMW
So you are using a Mac. Is Safari the only browser choice? Craig no, its what I use most. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB vs. BMW
On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 23:03:12 -0500 Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: So what's the problem with using IE? Other than its vulnerabilities, nothing, I suppose. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB vs. BMW
IE worked fine on the site for me. Though the ad was annoying, it went away when I clicked the X. On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 23:03:12 -0500 Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: So what's the problem with using IE? Other than its vulnerabilities, nothing, I suppose. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
On Dec 29, 2013 4:29 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I never could see any need for a geo or a saturn. What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned Saturn. The point was the hypocrisy of people in the '90s who said Buy American and then went to their Chevy dealer to buy a Geo (all of which were captive imports). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal upe1ujyz
On Dec 29, 2013 6:54 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: For comparison, there are 6 VW Phaetons on eBay right now, all are V8s, and only one has a current bid less than the buy it now on the S600. They're both money pits, but I'd rather have the Phaeton--it's rare enough to be a future classic. Gotta have the W-12 if you're going to bother, though. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
