Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
If we are lucky, we can fix it at the ballot box. If we are not lucky, it will come to the fox hole. Soap box, ballot box, cartridge box. Isn't that the usual progression? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Fly on Boeing aircraft. At least they allow the pilot to override the computer I'd rather have a skilled human in change, rather than HAL. (The usual disclaimers I don't work for Boeing, as far as I know, I don't own any stock in either company.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Anyone who votes for Hillary had better make sure they wouldn't object to her running mate becoming president. Now _there's_ an ironic reversal! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
As a pilot, and for many years flying for business, I personally have a rule that I will not fly on Airbus aircraft. The design is fly by wire and the response from pilot input is convoluted by the pilot [s] having to fly the computer first to have positive control of the airframe. As a pilot, I always fly the airplane I'm in, regardless that I'm in a passenger seat. The Airbus aircraft, in my opinion, lack that fine edge that only comes when the pilots have positive control of the aircraft. So, I refuse them. Personal choice. On the issue of the crew going hypoxia and passing out. If pressurization were lost, multiple alarms should go off and the crew has quick don oxygen masks at each station in cockpit.. Unless, Airbus yet again gave all that control to computers and the failure path multiplied from primary to secondary backup computers.. Then, failure of a few bites of data killed all on board.. Again... when buying a ticket, how do you choose the aircraft first? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
it was the HAL9000 acting up again. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 24, 2015, at 10:28 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:41:54 -0400 Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Fluging along at cruise, starts a steep descent and bores in, no mayday. Most curious, as were other Airbus crashes. Pilots comment? --R Aviation experts are focusing on the possibility that key sensors on the Germanwings Airbus A320 could have iced up, causing the aircraft to descend rapidly. Oher theories being advanced in the immediate aftermath of the crash was that the crew could have been incapacitated by a sudden loss of pressure. Even though it will take some time to determine exactly what caused the Airbus to crash, there appear to be parallels with an incident involving an Airbus A321, operated by Lufthansa last November. It led to the European Aviation Safety Agency issuing an emergency directive setting out what should be done should the “angle of attack” sensors freeze. In that case the aircraft dropped 1,000 metres a minute with the crew only regaining control of the aircraft when they turned off the onboard computers. In 2012, Airbus began replacing icing-prevention devices on nearly 700 jets because regulators found they may actually increase ice buildip on the angle-of-attack sensors. Bob Mann, an American aviation consultant, highlighted the angle of attack sensors used on the A320. “If it thinks a plane is about to stall, it will cause the nose to pitch down,” he said. “From the flight radar it looks like a nine minute descent at a constant 400 knots.” The steady path of the plane could indicate that its path was being controlled by computer. This could also indicate that the crew had lost consciousness, said Nick Brough, an aviation consultant based in Italy. “The aircraft appears to have gone into a decent lasting eight minutes, at a more or less constant velocity, until hitting terrain. “Without intending to speculate, if it is true that the crew made no attempts to make radio contact, they may have been suddenly incapacitated. “At this stage oxygen starvation cannot be ruled out, as in the Helios Airways accident near Athens in 2005.” “Without oxygen, you lose consciousness very quickly – hence the on board safety announcement that tells you to put the mask on your own face first and only then on babies and children.” James Healy-Pratt a London-based aviation lawyer and qualified pilot believed both theories could be valid. The freezing up of the sensors, causing the plane to drop suddenly remains a “compelling theory” for the AirAsia crash over the Java Sea just after Christmas, which also involved an Airbus A320, he said. But in the latest accident there possibility of the crew having been rendered unconscious also had to be considered. “Crew incapacitation cannot be ruled out, and there has been speculation over the possibility of an explosive decompression at altitude,” he said. “This could possibly be linked to the age of the aircraft.” (It was one of the oldest A320s still in service.) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11492988/Why-did-Germanwings-Airbus-A320-crash.html Also: Pilots and cabin crew refused to fly over concerns the Germanwings flight 4U 9525 crash may have been linked to a repair to the nose-wheel landing doors...snip http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11493388/Several-Germanwings-flights-cancelled-after-crew-refused-to-fly.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
If the ship of state were an airliner, it would be off course and entering an uncontrolled decent. If only our SoS _was_ uncontrolledly decent! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
I have never piloted a plane and am really ignorant about aviation, but here goes anyway: What puzzles me is that this all transpired just as they reached cruising altitude. Coincidence?? I'd like to know what, if anything, do the pilots would do (manually) when they reach cruising altidue. If the pilots have no taks or checklists, then what does the computer that runs the plane do when the aircraft reches cruising altitude? If a windshield cracked why did this occure exactyl at the moment the plane reached 38,000'? How does a plane suddnely lose oxygen? Where does the O2 come from anyway? On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Report speculates windshield cracked, which would tend to ruin one's day at 30k ft and 400some kts. --R On 3/25/15 10:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Probably by the carrier. Most are pretty equipment specific as far as the aircraft they fly. Dan who likes the term auger in best Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As a pilot, and for many years flying for business, I personally have a rule that I will not fly on Airbus aircraft. The design is fly by wire and the response from pilot input is convoluted by the pilot [s] having to fly the computer first to have positive control of the airframe. As a pilot, I always fly the airplane I'm in, regardless that I'm in a passenger seat. The Airbus aircraft, in my opinion, lack that fine edge that only comes when the pilots have positive control of the aircraft. So, I refuse them. Personal choice. On the issue of the crew going hypoxia and passing out. If pressurization were lost, multiple alarms should go off and the crew has quick don oxygen masks at each station in cockpit.. Unless, Airbus yet again gave all that control to computers and the failure path multiplied from primary to secondary backup computers.. Then, failure of a few bites of data killed all on board.. Again... when buying a ticket, how do you choose the aircraft first? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Dan who likes the term auger in best I like it too, but I think it wouldn't apply here, since the plane wasn't spiraling. -- Jim It applies to prop driven planes, especially single engine ones that hit nose first. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Dan who likes the term auger in best I like it too, but I think it wouldn't apply here, since the plane wasn't spiraling. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Probably by the carrier. Most are pretty equipment specific as far as the aircraft they fly. Dan who likes the term auger in best Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As a pilot, and for many years flying for business, I personally have a rule that I will not fly on Airbus aircraft. The design is fly by wire and the response from pilot input is convoluted by the pilot [s] having to fly the computer first to have positive control of the airframe. As a pilot, I always fly the airplane I'm in, regardless that I'm in a passenger seat. The Airbus aircraft, in my opinion, lack that fine edge that only comes when the pilots have positive control of the aircraft. So, I refuse them. Personal choice. On the issue of the crew going hypoxia and passing out. If pressurization were lost, multiple alarms should go off and the crew has quick don oxygen masks at each station in cockpit.. Unless, Airbus yet again gave all that control to computers and the failure path multiplied from primary to secondary backup computers.. Then, failure of a few bites of data killed all on board.. Again... when buying a ticket, how do you choose the aircraft first? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
The whole flight profile is likely programmed into the autopilot and engaged at some point after takeoff (though I think these planes can take off and land themselves once told to do so by the pilots), so when it reaches cruise altitude it then levels out, engines are trimmed, whatever to maintain proper altitude and speed. It has been noted in other Airbuses that some of the external sensors (angle-of-attack and pitot tube speed sensors) have iced up or quit working, which then buggers the autopilot into thinking that it needs to do something, usually improper. I think that is what happened to the one that crashed into the Atlantic a few years ago, best they could figure. The pilots might not know if the indicators are wrong, and the autopilot is doing its thing, until too late to do anything about it. This one took several minutes to descend though, so one would think the pilots would notice that, but in the Atlantic crash they seemed quite confused and ended up doing the wrong things and flew into the water, somewhat similar situation though I think that one involved some thunderstorms. If a windscreen shatters that could cause all kinds of commotion, autopilot or not. Rapid depressurization, pilots knocked out, they fall on the stick, override the autopilot, who knows, but a Very Bad situation. Air is bled off the compressor stages on the engines to pressurize the aircraft, so the oxygen is coming from the air outside the plane, which is at maybe 1/4 or less of the pressure at ground level. There is supplemental oxygen should the aircraft lose pressurization (the yellow masks) and the pilots have their own supply that should be within easy reach, if they are in a condition to reach their masks and turn on the oxygen. If they get the recorders data they should be able to figure it out. --R On 3/25/15 11:18 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I have never piloted a plane and am really ignorant about aviation, but here goes anyway: What puzzles me is that this all transpired just as they reached cruising altitude. Coincidence?? I'd like to know what, if anything, do the pilots would do (manually) when they reach cruising altidue. If the pilots have no taks or checklists, then what does the computer that runs the plane do when the aircraft reches cruising altitude? If a windshield cracked why did this occure exactyl at the moment the plane reached 38,000'? How does a plane suddnely lose oxygen? Where does the O2 come from anyway? On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Report speculates windshield cracked, which would tend to ruin one's day at 30k ft and 400some kts. --R On 3/25/15 10:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Probably by the carrier. Most are pretty equipment specific as far as the aircraft they fly. Dan who likes the term auger in best Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As a pilot, and for many years flying for business, I personally have a rule that I will not fly on Airbus aircraft. The design is fly by wire and the response from pilot input is convoluted by the pilot [s] having to fly the computer first to have positive control of the airframe. As a pilot, I always fly the airplane I'm in, regardless that I'm in a passenger seat. The Airbus aircraft, in my opinion, lack that fine edge that only comes when the pilots have positive control of the aircraft. So, I refuse them. Personal choice. On the issue of the crew going hypoxia and passing out. If pressurization were lost, multiple alarms should go off and the crew has quick don oxygen masks at each station in cockpit.. Unless, Airbus yet again gave all that control to computers and the failure path multiplied from primary to secondary backup computers.. Then, failure of a few bites of data killed all on board.. Again... when buying a ticket, how do you choose the aircraft first? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Report speculates windshield cracked, which would tend to ruin one's day at 30k ft and 400some kts. --R On 3/25/15 10:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Probably by the carrier. Most are pretty equipment specific as far as the aircraft they fly. Dan who likes the term auger in best Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As a pilot, and for many years flying for business, I personally have a rule that I will not fly on Airbus aircraft. The design is fly by wire and the response from pilot input is convoluted by the pilot [s] having to fly the computer first to have positive control of the airframe. As a pilot, I always fly the airplane I'm in, regardless that I'm in a passenger seat. The Airbus aircraft, in my opinion, lack that fine edge that only comes when the pilots have positive control of the aircraft. So, I refuse them. Personal choice. On the issue of the crew going hypoxia and passing out. If pressurization were lost, multiple alarms should go off and the crew has quick don oxygen masks at each station in cockpit.. Unless, Airbus yet again gave all that control to computers and the failure path multiplied from primary to secondary backup computers.. Then, failure of a few bites of data killed all on board.. Again... when buying a ticket, how do you choose the aircraft first? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Dude I already said hal9000. They were trying to open the pod bay doors. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan wrote: Dan who likes the term auger in best The line I heard today indicated that auger in might be a wrong term. Use another word indicating shatter. The investigators are taking 3'X3' squares to recover pieces? Plastic jets - just wonderful, eh? Controlled by HAL9000. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Kaleb wrote: Dude I already said hal9000. They were trying to open the pod bay doors. Yes, I failed to give proper reference to Kaleb - sorry. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
So the work on the front landing gear pod bay door was faulty, HAL9000 thought the door was opening at altitude, took evasive action to repel boarders and flew into the mountain? Or maybe HAL9000 thought the opening of the pod bay door was for a landing, and so went into landing mode? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
At altitudes over 10,000 feet, the air pressure is too low for your lungs to absorb the oxygen out of it, so you can suffocate (three minutes or less). If you have the presence of mind, you can grunt breath, which is too use your diaphragm to try to force the air out of your lungs but hold your breath. This compresses the air in your lungs enough so you can get a little oxygen, but this is a short term fix and I'm sure it becomes less effective at higher altitudes. If the pressurized cabin of the aircraft is compromised, the air pressure inside the plane drops and then your lungs won't work without help. In between normal pressure and pressure so low you can't get oxygen, there are various other nasty things that happen if you are oxygen starved. You will still be conscious and probably unaware, but your brain loses its ability to perform. You lose your ability to solve problems and perform tasks. -Max with one ride in a high-altitude pressure chamber trainer On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How does a plane suddnely lose oxygen? Where does the O2 come from anyway? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
You can survive quite well over 10k ft, 20k is pushing it though some have conquered Everest 28k ft with no supplemental oxygen. I have trekked at 14k+ ft and spent a couple days at 12k+, it is a challenge but if you are fairly fit you can do it OK, some better than others (the Quechua basically run marathons at 10k+ in 4 hours or so, up and down the mountains on the Inca trail, but they are born there and live their whole lives at high altitude, as do the Sherpas). A bunch of ski resorts are at 10k+ ft at the top, no problem. My wife has a problem at altitude but it has never bothered me other than the heavy breathing to get enough O2. I think the big problem in a plane is rapid decompression which can blast your ears really hard, then confusion, then lack of oxygen if you can't get it quickly enough, plus it is really cold up there if a windscreen blows out, someone could freeze very quickly if that happens -- -40F and 400+ kt is not conducive to life. --R who was once on an Eastern 727 when it depressurized, twice, at not too high an altitude and had No Fun On 3/25/15 12:21 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: At altitudes over 10,000 feet, the air pressure is too low for your lungs to absorb the oxygen out of it, so you can suffocate (three minutes or less). If you have the presence of mind, you can grunt breath, which is too use your diaphragm to try to force the air out of your lungs but hold your breath. This compresses the air in your lungs enough so you can get a little oxygen, but this is a short term fix and I'm sure it becomes less effective at higher altitudes. If the pressurized cabin of the aircraft is compromised, the air pressure inside the plane drops and then your lungs won't work without help. In between normal pressure and pressure so low you can't get oxygen, there are various other nasty things that happen if you are oxygen starved. You will still be conscious and probably unaware, but your brain loses its ability to perform. You lose your ability to solve problems and perform tasks. -Max with one ride in a high-altitude pressure chamber trainer On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How does a plane suddnely lose oxygen? Where does the O2 come from anyway? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Andrew wrote: I have never piloted a plane and am really ignorant about aviation, but here goes anyway: Another observation I found interesting in yesterday's early reports is that the airplane had just finished its inspection the day prior. Perhaps a screw was left without proper torque wrench or somesuch. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
When looking at flights online to book it tells you what aircraft it is Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As a pilot, and for many years flying for business, I personally have a rule that I will not fly on Airbus aircraft. The design is fly by wire and the response from pilot input is convoluted by the pilot [s] having to fly the computer first to have positive control of the airframe. As a pilot, I always fly the airplane I'm in, regardless that I'm in a passenger seat. The Airbus aircraft, in my opinion, lack that fine edge that only comes when the pilots have positive control of the aircraft. So, I refuse them. Personal choice. On the issue of the crew going hypoxia and passing out. If pressurization were lost, multiple alarms should go off and the crew has quick don oxygen masks at each station in cockpit.. Unless, Airbus yet again gave all that control to computers and the failure path multiplied from primary to secondary backup computers.. Then, failure of a few bites of data killed all on board.. Again... when buying a ticket, how do you choose the aircraft first? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Top Gear loses its soul
Top Gear host Jeremy Clarkson's contract will not be renewed, the BBC said after an internal investigation into what it earlier called a fracas with a producer. Top Gear was named as the world's most widely watched factual program in the Guinness World Records 2013 Edition book, with an estimated 350 million global viewers. The show is sold to 214 territories worldwide. . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Dan wrote: Dan who likes the term auger in best The line I heard today indicated that auger in might be a wrong term. Use another word indicating shatter. The investigators are taking 3'X3' squares to recover pieces? Plastic jets - just wonderful, eh? Controlled by HAL9000. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] back on the list
i seem to be back on the list thanks xx rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
I thought G Mann = Greg Mann. I have been living in a fantasy world. WTF!? On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: WHAT? No cat poop jam? So are you really a commercial pilot, Greg? If so please get me a free pass on your airline? In return, I will barter for some of my CHOICE and AWESOME used Mercedes 123 and 111 parts. Win-win! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
And for the record Ludwig is not part of my name... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in I thought G Mann = Greg Mann. I have been living in a fantasy world. WTF!? On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: WHAT? No cat poop jam? So are you really a commercial pilot, Greg? If so please get me a free pass on your airline? In return, I will barter for some of my CHOICE and AWESOME used Mercedes 123 and 111 parts. Win-win! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] flying
From personal experience, I have NEVER flown on ANY Airbus that EVER crashed while I was aboard. They are totally safe in my book. On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The first link says there are 800 737s made since 1967 and then says there were thousands made... The second link says the failure rate of the A320/319 is .10 while the rate of 737 (all models) is .15 or 50% worse... I've flown in a lot of both and I generally consider the A320 to have a slightly smoother ride but that might be affected by the fact that when I go to Las Vegas its usually a 737 and thats usually a bumpy landing. Going there in April but it'll be Jet Blue so an A320. I'd actually say my favorite is a CRJ-700... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:51 PM Subject: [MBZ] flying http://www.b737.org.uk/accident_reports.htm http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm I still like the Boeing stats after looking at this. Also happy that I don't fly to or around 3rd world places. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] flying
Well, that only reinforces my point. On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I also have never been in a crashed Airbus plane although I'll admit I've only been in A319s and A320s. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] flying From personal experience, I have NEVER flown on ANY Airbus that EVER crashed while I was aboard. They are totally safe in my book. On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The first link says there are 800 737s made since 1967 and then says there were thousands made... The second link says the failure rate of the A320/319 is .10 while the rate of 737 (all models) is .15 or 50% worse... I've flown in a lot of both and I generally consider the A320 to have a slightly smoother ride but that might be affected by the fact that when I go to Las Vegas its usually a 737 and thats usually a bumpy landing. Going there in April but it'll be Jet Blue so an A320. I'd actually say my favorite is a CRJ-700... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:51 PM Subject: [MBZ] flying http://www.b737.org.uk/accident_reports.htm http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm I still like the Boeing stats after looking at this. Also happy that I don't fly to or around 3rd world places. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] flying
Thanks for posting that list. I had not looked at that reporting for quite some time. Worthy of notice is the column which reports number of flight hrs for the particular models vs the number of incidents... Airbus takes top billing in each instance... Boeing has millions of flight hrs vs incidents.. I stand by my personal choice not to use Airbus equipment to transport my precious carbon unit. TYVM.. Grant... On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://www.b737.org.uk/accident_reports.htm http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm I still like the Boeing stats after looking at this. Also happy that I don't fly to or around 3rd world places. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Grant From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in I thought G Mann = Greg Mann. I have been living in a fantasy world. WTF!? On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: WHAT? No cat poop jam? So are you really a commercial pilot, Greg? If so please get me a free pass on your airline? In return, I will barter for some of my CHOICE and AWESOME used Mercedes 123 and 111 parts. Win-win! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] flying
I also have never been in a crashed Airbus plane although I'll admit I've only been in A319s and A320s. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] flying From personal experience, I have NEVER flown on ANY Airbus that EVER crashed while I was aboard. They are totally safe in my book. On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The first link says there are 800 737s made since 1967 and then says there were thousands made... The second link says the failure rate of the A320/319 is .10 while the rate of 737 (all models) is .15 or 50% worse... I've flown in a lot of both and I generally consider the A320 to have a slightly smoother ride but that might be affected by the fact that when I go to Las Vegas its usually a 737 and thats usually a bumpy landing. Going there in April but it'll be Jet Blue so an A320. I'd actually say my favorite is a CRJ-700... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:51 PM Subject: [MBZ] flying http://www.b737.org.uk/accident_reports.htm http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm I still like the Boeing stats after looking at this. Also happy that I don't fly to or around 3rd world places. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
WHAT? No cat poop jam? So are you really a commercial pilot, Greg? If so please get me a free pass on your airline? In return, I will barter for some of my CHOICE and AWESOME used Mercedes 123 and 111 parts. Win-win! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] back on the list
I called in a favor. Don't mention it. On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: i seem to be back on the list thanks xx rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Hahahaha.. at last.. we agree on something ! Just to clear the air [so to speak] I've been a pilot for 55 yrs, or 20,075 days, and I've averaged one flight hr. per day for that period, [cumulative hrs flown divided by days as a rated pilot] which accounts for quite a bit of time without having my feet on the ground. I'm also a licensed Airframe and Power plant mechanic, and a licensed jet engine fuel systems repairman. Along the way, I've held Inspection Authorization certificates as well which gave me authority to inspect and approve other licensed mechanics work [or not].. So I guess you could say I have some experience in aviation. On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I thought G Mann = Greg Mann. I have been living in a fantasy world. WTF!? On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: WHAT? No cat poop jam? So are you really a commercial pilot, Greg? If so please get me a free pass on your airline? In return, I will barter for some of my CHOICE and AWESOME used Mercedes 123 and 111 parts. Win-win! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] flying
http://www.b737.org.uk/accident_reports.htm http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm I still like the Boeing stats after looking at this. Also happy that I don't fly to or around 3rd world places. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] flying
The first link says there are 800 737s made since 1967 and then says there were thousands made... The second link says the failure rate of the A320/319 is .10 while the rate of 737 (all models) is .15 or 50% worse... I've flown in a lot of both and I generally consider the A320 to have a slightly smoother ride but that might be affected by the fact that when I go to Las Vegas its usually a 737 and thats usually a bumpy landing. Going there in April but it'll be Jet Blue so an A320. I'd actually say my favorite is a CRJ-700... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:51 PM Subject: [MBZ] flying http://www.b737.org.uk/accident_reports.htm http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm I still like the Boeing stats after looking at this. Also happy that I don't fly to or around 3rd world places. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] flying
Re 757 A friend of mine was on the 757 design team. His job was weight reduction in the tail section. He bought a house in mulkilteo to be near the plant. After that, they sent him downtown to work in the black hole with top secret military stuff. Figgers... He put a lot of miles on his Fords. He was an AP also and routinely got over 300,000 miles on his fords. When I met him he had a mid 60s ford with over 300k on it. After many years, they pulled him OUT of the black hole to work on the 777 design team. (Very unusual) They called it the Black hole because people went in, but never came out. In 1993 we stopped in and he showed us a 3D simulation movie of a drop of hydraulic oil moving through the wings and engine. Or he could switch and we could be a drop of fuel going into an engine. Pretty sophisticated stuff for times before albore invented the internet. It was a time of 386 computers and the beginning of the hot new 486 @ a blazing 33 mhz processor speed. MS-Dos of course. Unless you had a Mac, in which case you may have been using a GUI for 7 years. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Technically, being retired, I have my feet up, relaxing.. so I still don't have feet on ground ;)) On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Impressive. You now have your feet on the ground? --R On 3/25/15 2:51 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Hahahaha.. at last.. we agree on something ! Just to clear the air [so to speak] I've been a pilot for 55 yrs, or 20,075 days, and I've averaged one flight hr. per day for that period, [cumulative hrs flown divided by days as a rated pilot] which accounts for quite a bit of time without having my feet on the ground. I'm also a licensed Airframe and Power plant mechanic, and a licensed jet engine fuel systems repairman. Along the way, I've held Inspection Authorization certificates as well which gave me authority to inspect and approve other licensed mechanics work [or not].. So I guess you could say I have some experience in aviation. On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I thought G Mann = Greg Mann. I have been living in a fantasy world. WTF!? On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: WHAT? No cat poop jam? So are you really a commercial pilot, Greg? If so please get me a free pass on your airline? In return, I will barter for some of my CHOICE and AWESOME used Mercedes 123 and 111 parts. Win-win! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Now it appears one pilot was locked out of the flight deck. Sounds suspicious ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from pirates of the Caribbean. On Mar 24, 2015, at 6:45 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: provide the Native American (pre-European Invader Indigenous Person) content. Only native Americans are eligible for the office. Perhaps this is referring to Aboriginal Americans? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
ISIS No other good explanation. clay On Mar 24, 2015, at 8:56 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: As a pilot, and for many years flying for business, I personally have a rule that I will not fly on Airbus aircraft. The design is fly by wire and the response from pilot input is convoluted by the pilot [s] having to fly the computer first to have positive control of the airframe. As a pilot, I always fly the airplane I'm in, regardless that I'm in a passenger seat. The Airbus aircraft, in my opinion, lack that fine edge that only comes when the pilots have positive control of the aircraft. So, I refuse them. Personal choice. On the issue of the crew going hypoxia and passing out. If pressurization were lost, multiple alarms should go off and the crew has quick don oxygen masks at each station in cockpit.. Unless, Airbus yet again gave all that control to computers and the failure path multiplied from primary to secondary backup computers.. Then, failure of a few bites of data killed all on board.. Again... On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:39 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Terrain is about 9000 ft or so in that area, with higher ridges. The rate of decent recorded by radar is just about the maximum descent rate for that type of airframe. A Boeing 727 will drop much faster under full control, but halting the descent becomes very tricky. I don't like to speculate, but crew incapacitation is highly likely under the circumstances, if the cabin pressure failed for some reason and the crew was conscious, they would have declared and in-flight emergency. I also noticed very little evidence of a fuel fire in the photos that have been released, but if the aircraft hit a high ridge on the way in the fireball wouldn't be on the ground and hence would not leave significant charing. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Max Dillon wrote: Open the cockpit door Hal! Maybe the pilot inside had a stroke, heart attack, black out from undiagnosed diabetic condition, poisoned by the pilot who left in order to draw suspicion away... There were 2 Iranians, 1 Moroccan, and several Turks in board, so Islam was well represented. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] flying
My first flight ever was on a Boeing 720. Supposedly. Charter flight direct from Spokane to San Diego. All-expenses-paid trip to the Holiday Bowl! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] flying
On the 747, you forgot the Pan Am flight the libyans blew up over scotland. That one killed Pan Am clay On Mar 25, 2015, at 2:01 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: Safest airliners: 1. Airbus 340 The A340 has approximately the same number of flying hours as the 777 and remains accident-free, making it number one is safety. Number in service: 355 2. Boeing 777 At one accident per eighteen-million hours of flying, the Triple-Seven is number two in safety. And, in that one accident, everyone survived. Number in service: 792 3. Boeing 747 When Boeing first considered building a plane that would carry 500 passengers, the board of directors was skeptical. People had gotten used to hearing of an air crash with one-hundred or so fatalities. So, the thinking was, if Boeing invested all its resources in a 500-passenger plane a crash could so traumatize the public that passengers would refuse to fly it. No problem, the engineers said, We are going to build an uncrashable airplane. And they almost did. The record shows about seventeen-million hours per accident, but two of those had nothing to do with the quality of the plane: the collision of two 747s on the runway in the Canary Islands. Due to misunderstanding communications from the tower, a KLM 747 took off when not cleared for takeoff, striking a Pan Am 747, destroying both planes. Number in service: 838 4. Boeing 737 NG NG means next generation to designate the models -600 through the 737-900 models built starting in 1997. the Sixteen-million hours per accident. Number in service: 2,925 5. Boeing 767 Slightly edging out the 757 and the 320, the 767 has fifteen-million hours per accident. It was, like the 757, first built in 1982 and has engineering so similar to the 757 that pilots who are qualified on one are qualified on the other. Number in service: 867 6. Airbus 320 In a virtual tie with the Boeing 757, the Airbus 320 has fourteen-million hours per accident. It was first built in 1988. Number in service: 3,604 7. Boeing 757 Were you impressed with the record of the 737 CFMI at one accident in five-million flight hours? Hold on to your hat! The 757 is double that. In fact, it is almost triple that with one accident in about fourteen-million hours of flying. First in service in 1982, this is what I call a third-generation airliner. It has the benefits of computerization of navigation and monitoring of the various systems on the plane, so that if the primary system goes out of normal parameters, the plane switches automatically to a standby system. In addition, there is a backup system and an emergency system if needed. This is my favorite plane to fly as a pilot. Flown by American, Delta and United. Number in service: 973 8. Airbus 330 One accident in twelve-million hours puts the A-330 in eighth position. s First built in 1993. Number in service: 577 9. Boeing 737 CFMI The second generation of 737s (-300, -400, -500) were built with the CMF engine starting in 1984. We are talking serious safety: five million hours of flying per accident. Number in service 2,033 What does one accident in five million hours mean? Well, at five-hundred miles per hour, that means 2,500,000,000 miles. If you trade in your car every 100,000 miles, that means the number of miles you would rack up with 25,000 cars! As impressed as you are with your ability to drive, how confident would you be of going through 25,000 cars without an accident? 10. McDonnell-Douglas MD-11 As testimony to the DC-10, this 1990 upgrade has posted 3.7 million hours per accident and none in the past ten years. Number in service: 187 11. McDonnell-Douglas DC-10 First built in 1971, the DC-10 was the McDonnell-Douglas answer to Boeing's 747. Originally, McDonnell-Douglas decided to pass on building a jumbo jet, and promoted a stretched version of their DC-8. But when orders for the 747 took off, McDonnell-Douglas played catch-up, rushed the DC-10 into production. As a result, there were some spectacular crashes due to design problems, which gave the plane a bad reputation. But once the original design problems were fixed, the DC-10 flew with exceptional safety. With an overall record of one accident in three-million hours of flying, the DC-10 has had not had an accident in the past twenty years, except in developing countries. 12. McDonnell-Douglas MD-80 In a virtual tie with the Boeing 727, the MD-80 has produced 2.3 million hours per accident. It is still being flown by Delta and American. First built in 1980 and the number still in service: 923 13. Boeing 727 Though first built in 1963, here we have a quantum leap in safety. Twice as safe as those in the four-way tie - and four times safer than the early 737- the Boeing 727 is good for two-million hours of flying per accident! Number still in service (outside the U.S.): 412 14. Tupolev
Re: [MBZ] flying
They had to pull the boys out of the black hole because the firm was not allowed to use the tech from there on the 777 (same sort of composites theory in 757). The boys were no longer doing skunk works, so what they knew could be applied to civilian aviation instead of getting to adapt DOD tech to the designs. Squirrely way to bypass having to re-invent the wheel clay On Mar 25, 2015, at 3:21 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Re 757 A friend of mine was on the 757 design team. His job was weight reduction in the tail section. He bought a house in mulkilteo to be near the plant. After that, they sent him downtown to work in the black hole with top secret military stuff. Figgers... He put a lot of miles on his Fords. He was an AP also and routinely got over 300,000 miles on his fords. When I met him he had a mid 60s ford with over 300k on it. After many years, they pulled him OUT of the black hole to work on the 777 design team. (Very unusual) They called it the Black hole because people went in, but never came out. In 1993 we stopped in and he showed us a 3D simulation movie of a drop of hydraulic oil moving through the wings and engine. Or he could switch and we could be a drop of fuel going into an engine. Pretty sophisticated stuff for times before albore invented the internet. It was a time of 386 computers and the beginning of the hot new 486 @ a blazing 33 mhz processor speed. MS-Dos of course. Unless you had a Mac, in which case you may have been using a GUI for 7 years. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
ISIS No other good explanation. The raghead terrorists? Or do you posit Archer Co. were in charge of security? Either could do it! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
It was used to kill a dame who did abortions. They should have used it for something a bit more interesting clay On Mar 24, 2015, at 8:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Funny you should mention that. Some years ago, I built a full size working Guillotine. Lately, I've been ask if I could go into volume production. My observation is that America votes with it's wallet first... It gives cause for wonder, doesn't it.. Interesting historical note, machinery wise. France used the Guillotine for execution up until the late 1960's... being an avid machinery history buff. On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As George Washington pointed out, we shouldn't have parties because we can already see what happens when we do. People tend to divide themselves based on the parties, rather than based on the issues. Many aren't actually listening to what is being said, they are too busy trying to push everyone into a particular little square on the ballot. We can't get anywhere because people (including the politicians themselves) are too busy naming the other side as their enemy to actually get things done. They're playing politics like it's a game, one that they have to win, and not actually thinking about the reality or consequences of their actions. Gerry \ Hear, Here! George was right! Political parties are corrupt.Ds Jefferson and Jackson, and JFK were true Americans. Rs lincoln, Grant and Reagan were Americans. THe parties were corrupt even in Jeffersons day. None of them would recognize their parties now. What will you do to eliminate political parties? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Open the cockpit door Hal! Maybe the pilot inside had a stroke, heart attack, black out from undiagnosed diabetic condition, poisoned by the pilot who left in order to draw suspicion away... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. Dan On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from pirates of the Caribbean. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
The Citizenship requirements set forth in Constitution for holding the office of President are unique to that office. It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those unique requirements. But, in the words of another possible candidate, What difference does it make. On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. Dan On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from pirates of the Caribbean. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
No names of the crew released. Could be a clue there. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 25, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Be very afraid. (Reuters) - One of the pilots on the German Airbus plane that crashed in the French Alps, killing everyone onboard, left the cockpit and was unable to return before the plane went down, the New York Times reported on Wednesday, citing evidence from a cockpit voice recorder. “The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” an unnamed investigator told the Times. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.” “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down,” the investigator added. (Reporting by Peter Cooney in Washington; Editing by Eric Beech) On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: ISIS No other good explanation. The raghead terrorists? Or do you posit Archer Co. were in charge of security? Either could do it! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
You have the BEST sense of humor. ROFLMAO! On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: When did anyone in con gress ever read the constitution, with the possible exceptions of Cruz, S King and Ernst? The Citizenship requirements set forth in Constitution for holding the office of President are unique to that office. It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those unique requirements. But, in the words of another possible candidate, What difference does it make. On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
I'm sure if there were islamics on board, they were all on their way to a Boy Scout knot tying contest for qualification of their Eagle Scout badge. On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No names of the crew released. Could be a clue there. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 25, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Be very afraid. (Reuters) - One of the pilots on the German Airbus plane that crashed in the French Alps, killing everyone onboard, left the cockpit and was unable to return before the plane went down, the New York Times reported on Wednesday, citing evidence from a cockpit voice recorder. “The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” an unnamed investigator told the Times. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.” “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down,” the investigator added. (Reporting by Peter Cooney in Washington; Editing by Eric Beech) On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: ISIS No other good explanation. The raghead terrorists? Or do you posit Archer Co. were in charge of security? Either could do it! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Doesn't the door lock automatically? On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:54 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No names of the crew released. Could be a clue there. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 25, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Be very afraid. (Reuters) - One of the pilots on the German Airbus plane that crashed in the French Alps, killing everyone onboard, left the cockpit and was unable to return before the plane went down, the New York Times reported on Wednesday, citing evidence from a cockpit voice recorder. “The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” an unnamed investigator told the Times. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.” “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down,” the investigator added. (Reporting by Peter Cooney in Washington; Editing by Eric Beech) On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: ISIS No other good explanation. The raghead terrorists? Or do you posit Archer Co. were in charge of security? Either could do it! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Doesn't the crew have keys for the cockpit door? It would only make sense that they would. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2015, at 11:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: This message cannot be displayed because of the way it is formatted. Ask the sender to send it again using a different format or email program. text/plain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
For security reasons maybe they don't! On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Doesn't the crew have keys for the cockpit door? It would only make sense that they would. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2015, at 11:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: This message cannot be displayed because of the way it is formatted. Ask the sender to send it again using a different format or email program. text/plain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Be very afraid. (Reuters) - One of the pilots on the German Airbus plane that crashed in the French Alps, killing everyone onboard, left the cockpit and was unable to return before the plane went down, the New York Times reported on Wednesday, citing evidence from a cockpit voice recorder. “The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” an unnamed investigator told the Times. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.” “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down,” the investigator added. (Reporting by Peter Cooney in Washington; Editing by Eric Beech) On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: ISIS No other good explanation. The raghead terrorists? Or do you posit Archer Co. were in charge of security? Either could do it! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
The Citizenship requirements set forth in Constitution for holding the office of President are unique to that office. _Running_ for the office. I think a non-naive-American could end up _holding_ the office, if he came to it by succession. Same way Bill Clinton could end up holding the office again, if H was elected and he was the running mate, and something happened... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
When did anyone in con gress ever read the constitution, with the possible exceptions of Cruz, S King and Ernst? The Citizenship requirements set forth in Constitution for holding the office of President are unique to that office. It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those unique requirements. But, in the words of another possible candidate, What difference does it make. On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Secret message to MMM
At 4:50 PM -0500 3/24/15, Curly McLain wrote: I useta tell people who asked I was as old as Jack BennyUntil it got to where every time I had to explain who jack benny was and how he was always 39. Same here. Dang kids. -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Doesn't the crew have keys for the cockpit door? It would only make sense that they would. Dan I vote that pilots should be able to carry a 1911. The other guy could have opened the door with a 1911 crowbar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Fly on Boeing aircraft. At least they allow the pilot to override the computer I strongly agree with this sentiment but reconstruction of the 2009 Air France Airbus crash does not inspire great confidence in the basic airmanship of the pilots. Maybe when aircraft are designed to minimize the need for basic pilot skills, the managers and bookkeepers think they no longer need that level of skill and training. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Here is a Germanwings website about pilot qualifications, hiring, etc. One thing I noticed was that a non-German could get a pilot job with the airline if he had an unlimited work permit. Someone on another list wondered if Germanwings had hired a number of middle-eastern pilots as first officers, and that that was the reason a number of Germanwings pilots (probably captains) refused to fly because their FO would be an ME pilot. He questioned their refusal to fly because the nose wheel doors had been repaired the day before. Would any pilot on this list refuse to fly for that reason? http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Germanwings G Mann wrote: I'm sure if there were islamics on board, they were all on their way to a Boy Scout knot tying contest for qualification of their Eagle Scout badge. On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No names of the crew released. Could be a clue there. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 25, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Be very afraid. (Reuters) - One of the pilots on the German Airbus plane that crashed in the French Alps, killing everyone onboard, left the cockpit and was unable to return before the plane went down, the New York Times reported on Wednesday, citing evidence from a cockpit voice recorder. “The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” an unnamed investigator told the Times. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.” “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down,” the investigator added. (Reporting by Peter Cooney in Washington; Editing by Eric Beech) On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: ISIS No other good explanation. The raghead terrorists? Or do you posit Archer Co. were in charge of security? Either could do it! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5751 / Virus Database: 4315/9381 - Release Date: 03/25/15 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Which way do the doors open to the cockpit? If towards the cabin, and pressure was lost in the cockpit, but not in the cabin, it would be next to impossible to open that door On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down,” the investigator added. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
It depends on the level of the repair, but a test flight after maintenance work is most always a good idea. I do them . . . On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:04 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Would any pilot on this list refuse to fly for that reason? http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Germanwings -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
