Re: [MBZ] 109
It's on jackstands - probably to hide the collapsed air bags in the suspension. IIRC that's around $1000 per corner to fix. But that would be a stunner when repaired and painted! I'm thinking Astral Silver would do it justice. Wonder what condition the engine is in. That could be a real money pit. Even the parts costs would be significant IMO. It doesn't say but I believe many (all?) 300SELs were supplied with the mighty 6.3L? I'm a sucker for those old cars - love the 108, 109, 111's. Larry On 5/26/2015 10:52 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: 1969 Mercedes Benz 300 sel http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/5043713776.html One of the few gassers I might put up with! The 4 door 300SL! One of the best looking MBs ever! Better looking than a 108! modern enough, but no electronics. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 109
Air bags can be had for about $300 each per corner. Valves are more. But you don't necessarily need them to be rebuilt to have a driveable car. I'm rebuilding my second air suspension car right now, a W112 coupe. They're really not so bad, it's a simple system. But parts are expensive, they add up. The 300SEL was available with M189, M130, M116, M117, and M100. Lots of different engines over the years, but the 6.3 M100 is the most famous. Jaime On Wednesday, May 27, 2015, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It's on jackstands - probably to hide the collapsed air bags in the suspension. IIRC that's around $1000 per corner to fix. But that would be a stunner when repaired and painted! I'm thinking Astral Silver would do it justice. Wonder what condition the engine is in. That could be a real money pit. Even the parts costs would be significant IMO. It doesn't say but I believe many (all?) 300SELs were supplied with the mighty 6.3L? I'm a sucker for those old cars - love the 108, 109, 111's. Larry On 5/26/2015 10:52 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: 1969 Mercedes Benz 300 sel http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/5043713776.html One of the few gassers I might put up with! The 4 door 300SL! One of the best looking MBs ever! Better looking than a 108! modern enough, but no electronics. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 109
Do realize that there are a lot of people out there who don't understand the air suspension and as a result kludge it up badly. My former W112 wouldn't stay up until I went through and adjusted all the valves per the factory procedure. After doing so, it would stay up for three weeks at a time without being run. Rear bags in it were toast when I got the car, but were easy to replace. Dan Sent from my iPad On May 27, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Air bags can be had for about $300 each per corner. Valves are more. But you don't necessarily need them to be rebuilt to have a driveable car. I'm rebuilding my second air suspension car right now, a W112 coupe. They're really not so bad, it's a simple system. But parts are expensive, they add up. The 300SEL was available with M189, M130, M116, M117, and M100. Lots of different engines over the years, but the 6.3 M100 is the most famous. Jaime On Wednesday, May 27, 2015, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It's on jackstands - probably to hide the collapsed air bags in the suspension. IIRC that's around $1000 per corner to fix. But that would be a stunner when repaired and painted! I'm thinking Astral Silver would do it justice. Wonder what condition the engine is in. That could be a real money pit. Even the parts costs would be significant IMO. It doesn't say but I believe many (all?) 300SELs were supplied with the mighty 6.3L? I'm a sucker for those old cars - love the 108, 109, 111's. Larry On 5/26/2015 10:52 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: 1969 Mercedes Benz 300 sel http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/5043713776.html One of the few gassers I might put up with! The 4 door 300SL! One of the best looking MBs ever! Better looking than a 108! modern enough, but no electronics. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 109
By 1969 the M189 was gone. This would be a M130 according to the info I found, so it is no longer a 4 door 300SL. Still a nice car, and it looks worth saving. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
'Pends on ambient temp and whether I'm gonna keep driving or immediately park it to bake (expand) in the hot sun. Most times, I wait for foam to dissipate and pack more in. BTW, visitors at the air show few days ago were alarmed that the B-52H on display in the hot sun was leaking fuel and had been cordoned off. 'Overfilled with cold fuel at night; expanded in hot sun and overflowed via tank vents. Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 12:09 PM Subject: [MBZ] Pumping diesel When you pump diesel do you stop when the pump shuts off or do you let the foam go down and pump more in? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
Don't forget: One of life's most useless things (sometimes critical) is empty space in top of fuel tank. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Jim Cathey jim.cathey...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel Since the foaming is enough to prevent something like a full gallon going in, I always de-foam and top off. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
Well, wait for foam to dissipate and fill 'until liquid is at same point in neck. Also shake car a bit side to side with hip to release trapped bubbles and pack in some more. Ya never know when ya might need that last cup full. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel What I am after is accurate mpg calculations, not sure how much the foam might vary from pump to pump Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Depends on what I'm after, if its a long distance drive I'll wait. The Jetta in particular will hold almost two whole gallons more, thats nearly 100 miles on the highway.Most of the time I don't bother. -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 12:09 PM Subject: [MBZ] Pumping diesel When you pump diesel do you stop when the pump shuts off or do you let the foam go down and pump more in? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
What I am after is accurate mpg calculations, not sure how much the foam might vary from pump to pump Sent from my iPhone NOW the truth comes out. I answered yes originally to both questions because I suspected Kaleb didn't explain his real question. My stock answer to an either-or double question is yes. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
If you keep an elevated tank and fill from gravity, you don't get ANY foaming. Ask any farmer with an elevated Diesel tank. Well, wait for foam to dissipate and fill 'until liquid is at same point in neck. Also shake car a bit side to side with hip to release trapped bubbles and pack in some more. Ya never know when ya might need that last cup full. ;) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
Ah... not so grasshopper... My comment and attaboy was directed to Curlys post. MIS judgement.. how novel for you... [snark off] On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: DId I just get an Attaboy from Grant? Grant, I serously MISjudged you. :) On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 1:49 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Attaboy ! You summed it up, in one post. It is the essence of America and the Constitution. Present individual occupying the office of president really doesn't get it. About 295,000,000 of the 315,000,000 Citizens of America have it and won't lose it. America is strong because it's individuals are empowered. America is flooded with refugees because they want to also become empowered. It is why we don't speak German, or Japanese, or Russian in this country, and won't be speaking Chinese or Arabic. We have repelled all efforts to force the country to submit, at great cost of both blood and treasure, and will continue to because this individual empowerment is worth dying for. The powers not specifically granted to government SHALL remain with the States and the Individual Citizens.. [Article 10, US Constitution] (paraphrased). Anything granted can be taken back at will , just a reminder to all overblown government agencies, communist organizers, and community agitators. Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Those Red Chinese need to go to reprogramming school to unlearn capitalism. How can you twist a trekkie posting into a leftist political rant? Funny thing, communism, marxism and socialism all fail because human nature is to desire freedom and independence. Capitalism existed since the beginning of the human race and works all the time, so long as the people with the weapons (gooberments and other thieves) stay out of it. Unlearning would have to be done at gunpoint, and thus reveals the hypocrisy of leftists. They are all against guns and violence but their heros like lenin stalin, putin, mao etc have used the same weapons to kill millions and millions of innocent people. You can't have weapons or power, but I have to have both we are all for equalization of wealth, as long we we are the wealthy and the peons are equally poor you are too stupid to live your life, But, I know what is best for you ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
I need to get one of those tanks and get some farm diesel Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2015, at 1:21 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you keep an elevated tank and fill from gravity, you don't get ANY foaming. Ask any farmer with an elevated Diesel tank. Well, wait for foam to dissipate and fill 'until liquid is at same point in neck. Also shake car a bit side to side with hip to release trapped bubbles and pack in some more. Ya never know when ya might need that last cup full. ;) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
Yeah, I'd like to have some a that farm Diesel, too. (Notice I still say too, not that new-fangled as well. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel I need to get one of those tanks and get some farm diesel Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2015, at 1:21 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you keep an elevated tank and fill from gravity, you don't get ANY foaming. Ask any farmer with an elevated Diesel tank. Well, wait for foam to dissipate and fill 'until liquid is at same point in neck. Also shake car a bit side to side with hip to release trapped bubbles and pack in some more. Ya never know when ya might need that last cup full. ;) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another weird one (curt content)
'Had Klima fail on my '91 350SDL and '87 300D. Also received a new bad one from Gary. He quickly sent a good replacement of course. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:39 PM Subject: [MBZ] Another weird one (curt content) I am so lucky! I get the weird ones. I seemed to have the first Klima relay problem reported on the dickarde list, while Herr Doktor said Klimas don't fail, and many other oddball things I try to forget. Curt, and maybe a few others who have driven International Letter model tractors (or 300 series) can relate to this one. The last H we bought never idled right. It ran ok at 1/3 throttle or more, but died if you tried to let it idle. a few years ago I cleaned up the carb and soaked it in carb cleaner for a few weeks, and put in the new parts in a kit from the stealer. The kit didn't have all the parts so for the missing parts, I reused the old ones. No improvement, but the needle didn't leak. The last time I ran it a couple years ago it was flooding, so I thought the float sunk. Saturday I had the carb off and on several times and could not get it to run right. Yesterday I went at it again, and I noticed what I thought was an idle jet, so I took it out and cleaned it up and looked at it. brass tube with a hole up from the bottom, but not clear through, no holes in the side. Seems to me it should either have holes in the side, or the hole should go clear through. I found an online parts diagram that confirmed it was the idle jet. I tried to ream it out with a copper wire clipped off to a chisel point. If it was varnish/dirt buildup, the wire should have gone through. It appears that the center was never drilled.So it is like my MB factory rebuilt short block that was missing the hole for one head bolt. The tractor appears that it was used with a front mounted woodsaw for most or all of its life. So, maybe they ran it at half or 3/4 throttle all the time and it never bothered. The carb was painted gray originally, so when i put the kit in, I painted it gray again. Some collector online said the factory carbs were painted red along with everything else, but the wheel rims. So maybe this was a factory parts carb. Called a farmer tractor collector to ask him if it was supposed to have the hole clear through, and he didn't know. Yesterday I found online a guy in Minnysoda who rebuilds tractor carbs, so I called him today and he confirmed the hole is supposed to go clear through. I ordered parts from him to fix the carb, so we'll see if it will idle. This Saturday is a small tractor show, so I will take it over if I have it running by then. It got new plugs, so when the parts get in it will get new points, condensor, rotor, and spark plug wires in addition to the carb parts. That oughta turn it into a happy camper. I am registered to take it on a tractor ride this summer, so i need it running good for that. Meanwhile yesterday when I was messing with it i forgot to turn the key off when I took the carb off the last time. My 12 volt battery burned up the 6v coil. I had brought along my Bosch 12 V coil salvaged from a MB gasser (MB content) so I put it on. I guess I am committed now to converting the tractor to 12V. I've been ambivalent between keeping it original and converting it to 12v for practicality. So after many decades of putting MB parts on frods, now I finally have a tractor with MB parts! That makes it truly mine! I wish an MB Bosch alternator would fit under the hood. I think I am stuck with a toada or other rice burner alternator to get one that will fit under the hood, unless y'all know of some newish MB alternator that has a small OD. Oh, and the last time I took it on a three day tractor ride a few years go, it had one of my MB group 49 batteries strapped on, so it has had some MB content before! A group 49 MB battery will run it all day with no generator, and still have juice left. 1948 IHC Farmall Model H ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
DId I just get an Attaboy from Grant? Grant, I serously MISjudged you. :) On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 1:49 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Attaboy ! You summed it up, in one post. It is the essence of America and the Constitution. Present individual occupying the office of president really doesn't get it. About 295,000,000 of the 315,000,000 Citizens of America have it and won't lose it. America is strong because it's individuals are empowered. America is flooded with refugees because they want to also become empowered. It is why we don't speak German, or Japanese, or Russian in this country, and won't be speaking Chinese or Arabic. We have repelled all efforts to force the country to submit, at great cost of both blood and treasure, and will continue to because this individual empowerment is worth dying for. The powers not specifically granted to government SHALL remain with the States and the Individual Citizens.. [Article 10, US Constitution] (paraphrased). Anything granted can be taken back at will , just a reminder to all overblown government agencies, communist organizers, and community agitators. Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Those Red Chinese need to go to reprogramming school to unlearn capitalism. How can you twist a trekkie posting into a leftist political rant? Funny thing, communism, marxism and socialism all fail because human nature is to desire freedom and independence. Capitalism existed since the beginning of the human race and works all the time, so long as the people with the weapons (gooberments and other thieves) stay out of it. Unlearning would have to be done at gunpoint, and thus reveals the hypocrisy of leftists. They are all against guns and violence but their heros like lenin stalin, putin, mao etc have used the same weapons to kill millions and millions of innocent people. You can't have weapons or power, but I have to have both we are all for equalization of wealth, as long we we are the wealthy and the peons are equally poor you are too stupid to live your life, But, I know what is best for you ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 109
No, I meant what I said. The original 109 had the M189, which is a modified 300SL engine first used in the Adenour outside the 300SL, so the original 109 300SEL was a 4 door version of the 300SL. With the M130, it had no ties to the 300Sl, except maybe the differential. 300SLs did exist in 1969, and do exist now. The were no longer in production in 1969. You mean 300SE L. 300SL does not exist in 1969. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: By 1969 the M189 was gone. This would be a M130 according to the info I found, so it is no longer a 4 door 300SL. Still a nice car, and it looks worth saving. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 109
On May 27, 2015 10:31 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No, I meant what I said. The original 109 had the M189, which is a modified 300SL engine first used in the Adenour outside the 300SL, so the original 109 300SEL was a 4 door version of the 300SL. With the M130, it had no ties to the 300Sl, except maybe the differential. But you meant to mean that the 300SL's M198 (direct injection) and the W109's M189 (indirect injection) were both modified M186, right? The direct injection engine in the 300Sc (M199?) was a modified M198. Tom Pedant hat on ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
Andrew writes : Those Red Chinese need to go to reprogramming school to unlearn capitalism. Maybe we can send them Obama to be their new leader, when he retires in another year. That should do it. Rick Who just couldn't resist a cheap shot. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 Yeah! the bumster would create chaos and certainly reduce the population. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 109
Yes, something like that. They all are 3 liter slant 6 engines with a common lineage. M130 and predecessor M180 are vertical 6 cyl engines of varying displacement from 2.2 to 3 L. On May 27, 2015 10:31 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No, I meant what I said. The original 109 had the M189, which is a modified 300SL engine first used in the Adenour outside the 300SL, so the original 109 300SEL was a 4 door version of the 300SL. With the M130, it had no ties to the 300Sl, except maybe the differential. But you meant to mean that the 300SL's M198 (direct injection) and the W109's M189 (indirect injection) were both modified M186, right? The direct injection engine in the 300Sc (M199?) was a modified M198. Tom Pedant hat on ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
I used to do this endlessly in order to ge a REALLY full fuel tank. Now I just pump to the initial shutoff and call it a day. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: When you pump diesel do you stop when the pump shuts off or do you let the foam go down and pump more in? Sent from my iPhone ___ Yes ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 109
There was no 300SL vehicle produced in 1969, although as you say the 6 cyl. engine from the 300SL Gullwing era may have still been in production. (M189) On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, something like that. They all are 3 liter slant 6 engines with a common lineage. M130 and predecessor M180 are vertical 6 cyl engines of varying displacement from 2.2 to 3 L. On May 27, 2015 10:31 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No, I meant what I said. The original 109 had the M189, which is a modified 300SL engine first used in the Adenour outside the 300SL, so the original 109 300SEL was a 4 door version of the 300SL. With the M130, it had no ties to the 300Sl, except maybe the differential. But you meant to mean that the 300SL's M198 (direct injection) and the W109's M189 (indirect injection) were both modified M186, right? The direct injection engine in the 300Sc (M199?) was a modified M198. Tom Pedant hat on ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
Bravo! You manage to twist around any statement to make a cheap political (pointless) point On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew writes : Those Red Chinese need to go to reprogramming school to unlearn capitalism. Maybe we can send them Obama to be their new leader, when he retires in another year. That should do it. Rick Who just couldn't resist a cheap shot. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 Yeah! the bumster would create chaos and certainly reduce the population. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
I let it stop when the foam shuts the pump off. Life is too short to spend time trying to get the last drop (or gallon) into the tank. This is easier when your Diesel car will go 800 miles on a full tank, 750 on an almost full tank :-) On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: When you pump diesel do you stop when the pump shuts off or do you let the foam go down and pump more in? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
800 miles? How big is your fuel tank, Don? On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 12:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I let it stop when the foam shuts the pump off. Life is too short to spend time trying to get the last drop (or gallon) into the tank. This is easier when your Diesel car will go 800 miles on a full tank, 750 on an almost full tank :-) On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: When you pump diesel do you stop when the pump shuts off or do you let the foam go down and pump more in? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
Depends on what I'm after, if its a long distance drive I'll wait. The Jetta in particular will hold almost two whole gallons more, thats nearly 100 miles on the highway.Most of the time I don't bother. -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 12:09 PM Subject: [MBZ] Pumping diesel When you pump diesel do you stop when the pump shuts off or do you let the foam go down and pump more in? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Pumping diesel
When you pump diesel do you stop when the pump shuts off or do you let the foam go down and pump more in? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
Yeah, but it gets tedious doesn't it? On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Since the foaming is enough to prevent something like a full gallon going in, I always de-foam and top off. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
Since the foaming is enough to prevent something like a full gallon going in, I always de-foam and top off. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
When you pump diesel do you stop when the pump shuts off or do you let the foam go down and pump more in? Sent from my iPhone ___ Yes ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
Those Red Chinese need to go to reprogramming school to unlearn capitalism. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://www.businessinsider.com/office-that-looks-like-star-trek-enterprise-2015-5 The USS Enterprise has landed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
Andrew writes : Those Red Chinese need to go to reprogramming school to unlearn capitalism. Maybe we can send them Obama to be their new leader, when he retires in another year. That should do it. Rick Who just couldn't resist a cheap shot. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 109
You mean 300SE L. 300SL does not exist in 1969. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: By 1969 the M189 was gone. This would be a M130 according to the info I found, so it is no longer a 4 door 300SL. Still a nice car, and it looks worth saving. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT fuel economy
Last weekend, my son and I went to the lake. We are in Winnipeg and we go to Sioux Narrows on Lake of the Woods about 45 minutes south of Kenora. It is roughly 175 miles each way and the first 80 miles is fairly flat 4 lane highway. After that we get more into Canadian Shield territory and the road winds up, down and around. On the 4 lane I ran about 115 kph on the way out and about 118 kph on the way back, so it likely would have done even better if I had kept my speed down closer to the posted limit which is 100 kph (about 62 mph) According to the computer in my truck, it managed an average of 11.2 liters pers 100 kilometers on that trip last weekend. That would include the time that we used it to move the boat to and from the launch ramp etc if my understanding of how it works it accurate. That works out to almost 25 miles per imperial gallon or almost 21 miles per US gallon. It is a 2013 F150 Supercrew with the 5.0 coyote engine. Based upon the above, I would say it is doing quite a bit better than my previous truck which was the 2002 F150 Supercrew with the 5.4 Triton 2 valve engine. Both are 4 wheel drive. The newer one has more transmission gears etc. It will be interesting to know the real world numbers for the 2015 aluminum body truck which supposedly weighs about 800 pounds less. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
To try to get accurate mileage calculations, wait for the foam to go down and keep adding until you see liquid. You said it - no way to know the volume of the foam, which may even vary with temperature. Even when waiting for the foam to go down, there are several factors working against you, like the accuracy of the pump calibration, orientation of the filler neck relative to the tank if not parked on level ground, and the temperature of the fuel (warmer fuel is less dense). - Max Charleston SC On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What I am after is accurate mpg calculations, not sure how much the foam might vary from pump to pump ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
Those Red Chinese need to go to reprogramming school to unlearn capitalism. How can you twist a trekkie posting into a leftist political rant? Funny thing, communism, marxism and socialism all fail because human nature is to desire freedom and independence. Capitalism existed since the beginning of the human race and works all the time, so long as the people with the weapons (gooberments and other thieves) stay out of it. Unlearning would have to be done at gunpoint, and thus reveals the hypocrisy of leftists. They are all against guns and violence but their heros like lenin stalin, putin, mao etc have used the same weapons to kill millions and millions of innocent people. You can't have weapons or power, but I have to have both we are all for equalization of wealth, as long we we are the wealthy and the peons are equally poor you are too stupid to live your life, But, I know what is best for you ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT iPhone forced reset via text message
Just read an article about the most recent bug in iPhone IOS, which is triggered by a text message containing both arabic and english text. Apple will first deny that anything could possibly wrong, then secretly work on it for months while selling new iPhones to users who end up in the forced reset loop, then finally release an update that fixes it but (a) won't admit that's what it is fixing and (b) break several other things, requiring another update. [flame shields UP!] - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
On 27/05/2015 11:27 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: 800 miles? How big is your fuel tank, Don? Andrew, you have to remember that these cars all do at least 40 mpg so that only requires a 20 gallon tank. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
What I am after is accurate mpg calculations, not sure how much the foam might vary from pump to pump Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Depends on what I'm after, if its a long distance drive I'll wait. The Jetta in particular will hold almost two whole gallons more, thats nearly 100 miles on the highway.Most of the time I don't bother. -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 12:09 PM Subject: [MBZ] Pumping diesel When you pump diesel do you stop when the pump shuts off or do you let the foam go down and pump more in? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 109
There is no relationship between a W109 and the Gullwing other than they used a mechanical injection pump for fuel delivery, I don't think even the pump is the same. The Gullwing engine wasn't used all that much, it was very expensive to manufacture, and difficult to maintain (the injection nozzles were in the block, aimed at the spark plugs) and Benz added the fuel injection to more normal engines intended for road use, not a sliced down aircraft engine. Not that the original engine wasn't a marvel, it was just not a great production engine. No suspension parts, either, to the best of my knowledge. I believe, although I could easily be wrong, that the SL had a fully independent rear end (I will see my buddy Hans tomorrow, I can ask, he worked on them) rather than a swing axle. Front end on the SL I don't know about. The W109 had kingpins and a two control arms, but so did everything Benz made at that time, at least until the W115 replaced the kingpin with ball joints. Geometry was improved in 1962 to change the kingpin axis and reduce scrub while increasing caster, some minor changes in the W115 on those lines as well. Nothing exciting except in comparison to US road iron of the day, all of which drove like log wagons. The SL had a space frame, with body panels attached, and working on it was pure hell -- a good deal of the rear frame had to be removed to get to the rear axle. Every Benz designed after 1950 has a unibody. I don't see all that much Gullwing in the W108/9 -- it was an old design by 1968, dating from the 1950s. Nice cars, but I like the W126 MUCH more. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
On 27/05/2015 11:50 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: What I am after is accurate mpg calculations, not sure how much the foam might vary from pump to pump I would suggest that you do the same process each time whether it be to stop when the pump kicks off or to try to fill more once the foam settles a bit and then average over a long while and not be too concerned about the exact mileage of each fill. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
My brother's SDL has a 30 gallon tank, and will go nearly 900 miles on a full one. He filled up once on the way from home to Alexandria, VA. My 87 300D holds 20, and in good weather I can easily to 500 miles before stopping to re-fuel. The Golf will hold quite a bit more (at least 1.5 gal) if you let the foam subside, and that gets me around 600 before a fillup. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
Yes what? Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2015, at 11:17 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: When you pump diesel do you stop when the pump shuts off or do you let the foam go down and pump more in? Sent from my iPhone ___ Yes Yes to your questions. When you pump diesel do you stop when the pump shuts off (Yes, sometimes) or do you let the foam go down and pump more in? (Yes, sometimes) If I need extra range or I know the next time I need fuel it will be more expensive, I will try to get in as much fuel as possible. Lately I have been putting in about 6 gal at a time, because that lasts me a week or more. I filled up the SDL in Feb and it lasted into Apr. When fuel was over $4, i started shutting off the pump at $30 unless I was on a long trip and would need to fill again the same day. ( as a protest of sorts at over $60 to fill the car.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
He's not as bad as Harper. In any case, their gratuitous cheap shots had nothing to do with Red Chinese Star Trek capitalists. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, you must admit that your current president has been a major disappointment for most Americans. He is a good speaker and managed to convince the voters that he could bring change, but he has been a failure. I am not suggesting that the Republican alternatives were any better, but he certainly has not managed to become the star that so many hoped he would be. RB On 27/05/2015 11:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Bravo! You manage to twist around any statement to make a cheap political (pointless) point On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew writes : Those Red Chinese need to go to reprogramming school to unlearn capitalism. Maybe we can send them Obama to be their new leader, when he retires in another year. That should do it. Rick Who just couldn't resist a cheap shot. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 Yeah! the bumster would create chaos and certainly reduce the population. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
Well, you must admit that your current president has been a major disappointment for most Americans. He is a good speaker and managed to convince the voters that he could bring change, but he has been a failure. I am not suggesting that the Republican alternatives were any better, but he certainly has not managed to become the star that so many hoped he would be. RB On 27/05/2015 11:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Bravo! You manage to twist around any statement to make a cheap political (pointless) point On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew writes : Those Red Chinese need to go to reprogramming school to unlearn capitalism. Maybe we can send them Obama to be their new leader, when he retires in another year. That should do it. Rick Who just couldn't resist a cheap shot. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 Yeah! the bumster would create chaos and certainly reduce the population. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
Yes what? Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2015, at 11:17 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: When you pump diesel do you stop when the pump shuts off or do you let the foam go down and pump more in? Sent from my iPhone ___ Yes ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
Too late - I have it in writing. ;) I love this list. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:54 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ah... not so grasshopper... My comment and attaboy was directed to Curlys post. MIS judgement.. how novel for you... [snark off] On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: DId I just get an Attaboy from Grant? Grant, I serously MISjudged you. :) On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 1:49 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Attaboy ! You summed it up, in one post. It is the essence of America and the Constitution. Present individual occupying the office of president really doesn't get it. About 295,000,000 of the 315,000,000 Citizens of America have it and won't lose it. America is strong because it's individuals are empowered. America is flooded with refugees because they want to also become empowered. It is why we don't speak German, or Japanese, or Russian in this country, and won't be speaking Chinese or Arabic. We have repelled all efforts to force the country to submit, at great cost of both blood and treasure, and will continue to because this individual empowerment is worth dying for. The powers not specifically granted to government SHALL remain with the States and the Individual Citizens.. [Article 10, US Constitution] (paraphrased). Anything granted can be taken back at will , just a reminder to all overblown government agencies, communist organizers, and community agitators. Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Those Red Chinese need to go to reprogramming school to unlearn capitalism. How can you twist a trekkie posting into a leftist political rant? Funny thing, communism, marxism and socialism all fail because human nature is to desire freedom and independence. Capitalism existed since the beginning of the human race and works all the time, so long as the people with the weapons (gooberments and other thieves) stay out of it. Unlearning would have to be done at gunpoint, and thus reveals the hypocrisy of leftists. They are all against guns and violence but their heros like lenin stalin, putin, mao etc have used the same weapons to kill millions and millions of innocent people. You can't have weapons or power, but I have to have both we are all for equalization of wealth, as long we we are the wealthy and the peons are equally poor you are too stupid to live your life, But, I know what is best for you ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
Check the prices first. Last time I checked the offroad diesel without tax, delivered was more per gallon than road taxed Diesel at the pump in town. You are likely to be stopped and have your tank dipped with the pickup. It is unlikely with a car. I need to get one of those tanks and get some farm diesel Sent from my W140Phone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another weird one (curt content)
'Had Klima fail on my '91 350SDL and '87 300D. Also received a new bad one from Gary. He quickly sent a good replacement of course. Wilton You are lucky Not many thing Herr Doktor was wrong about but he was wrong about Klimas never failing. It routes electrons. Things that move, route or corral electrons fail. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
I filled my W108 280SE REALLY full on a hot summer day in D.C. (100 F.), then drove home about 10 miles and parked in the carport. Gasoline began gushing out of the (through) the filler cap, Scary! On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Check the prices first. Last time I checked the offroad diesel without tax, delivered was more per gallon than road taxed Diesel at the pump in town. You are likely to be stopped and have your tank dipped with the pickup. It is unlikely with a car. I need to get one of those tanks and get some farm diesel Sent from my W140Phone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Beater For Mao
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/5043396472.html Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
I have found that calculating the cost per mile at each station is the best way to determine which station to use. I keep a log for each diesel car. This levels that playing field by accounting for inaccurate pumps. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
Grant wrote: Anything granted can be taken back at will , just a reminder to all overblown government agencies, communist organizers, and community agitators. Isn't that a paraphrase of a founder? i.e. Jefferson or Hamilton? The problem seems that today most citizens are willing to be duped instead of challenging the status quo which was the effort of the hippie boomers that I remember - question authority. So today we follow all the idiot marketing indoctrination - car design shape has been static for 30 years, we depend on other countries to manufacture for us so we can purchase cheap, we let gov do everything for us so all we need to do is breath. Nobody stands for anything but microsoft or apple or mercedes, etc. gay, abortion, death, guns, wimen, education, debt, war - all topics that have zero activism but more babble to indoctrinate, no movement, no national pride to continue things along the lines of Jefferson and Hamilton, etc. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
RB wrote: Well, you must admit that your current president has been a major disappointment for most Americans. The reason for that disappointment? - America is racist, pure and simple. Go ahead, lets see a raise of hands - are there any dark skin people reading okiebenz? Nope! - I suspect... mao what does skin color have to do with incompetence? Incompetence in the white house, congress, judiciary, and federal departments has nothing to do with skin color. Incompetence is incompetence. When it comes to the fed gooberment, incompetence abounds and is not limited by skin color. THere is no relationship to this list other than some have been or are goobermnt employees, but I suspect none have had anything to do with hiring incompetents or setting up incompetent systems. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
The way to get accurate milage calculations is to do them over several tanks. this will average out the differences in fill, although it won't help much with pump variations unless you always use the same pump -- I can to and from work, but on the road, no. Otherwise fill the same way at as close to the same rate as you can every time you fill up, whether it be stop when the foam shuts off the pump or until you cannot get more fuel in, doesn't matter. The only way to get really accurate milage numbers is to weigh the fuel, though. And don't forget that the only place in the supply chain the variation in volume with temperature is NOT calculated is at the dispensing pump -- as the summer tails off the fuel will be warmer than earlier by a few degrees and you will get less fuel (by weight) than in Spring when the ground is colder. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
Lol, that 26 gallon tank with the filler six inches higher than the top doesn't give you much room for expansion! That is why, in fact, the instructions always say not to top off the tank. Not a problem for me, as I'm half a gallon away from home most of the time I fill up, and likely a gallon or more, but something to consider if you are going to park the car on a hot day immediately after filling it up. The ground temperature is usually in the 50's, so half a gallon more in the tank wouldn't be a surprise on a 26 gallon tank... Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Beater For Mao
Rick wrote: http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/5043396472.html I like the price and engine - rod bender? My son knew a guy that had one in the rod bender era local - maybe this is it? Thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Beater For Mao
Bends rods, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 3:43 PM Subject: [MBZ] Beater For Mao http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/5043396472.html Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
On 27/05/2015 4:28 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote: RB wrote: Well, you must admit that your current president has been a major disappointment for most Americans. The reason for that disappointment? - America is racist, pure and simple. Go ahead, lets see a raise of hands - are there any dark skin people reading okiebenz? Nope! - I suspect... mao I don't think that is fair. A whole lot of white people voted for him in order for him to get into the office of president. During the campaign he was a very good speaker. He convinced a lot of people that he could get the job done. Unfortunately, he appears to have been all talk and very little action. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
RB wrote: Well, you must admit that your current president has been a major disappointment for most Americans. The reason for that disappointment? - America is racist, pure and simple. Go ahead, lets see a raise of hands - are there any dark skin people reading okiebenz? Nope! - I suspect... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
RB wrote: Unfortunately, he appears to have been all talk and very little action. I think we could do a bit more introspection becuz I think our racism is more than we suspect - I'm not racist. Action not happening has been a function of the racism no matter how you frame it - they had both houses and still very little happened. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT iPhone forced reset via text message
Max wrote: Just read an article about the most recent bug in iPhone IOS, which is triggered by a text message containing both arabic and english text. Could be firmware hardwired in at the national competitor's factory, i.e. china. Since security breaches are such money makers for people that fix breaches, this is a nice marketing scheme and is bound to happen. Hackers breach everything else, i.e. Snowden, InsCo, etc. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
I track mileage, carefully. That doesn't work if you don't have a constant fill point. Yes, it's tedious. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Is the clutch job really over? Plus other jobs
I'm sure hoping so. Six months ago I bought and installed a new clutch master cylinder in a early '81 240D. The website didn't post the manufacturer - so I took a chance, and lost. It was a TRW with Lucas cast into the body - not a FTE or FAG. A couple months ago the car started losing brake fluid. It took awhile for it to get big enough for me to find it. The leak was the main seal on the clutch master cylinder. Fluid was leaking out and spilling over the top every time the pedal was pressed. *sigh* This is the TRW that is less than 6 months old, the one that didn't fit right. I had to grind about 3 mm off the end of the short rod to make it work. I order a FTE master cylinder from AutohauseAZ and a short rod. I was quite surprised to find the master cylinder had both a short and a long rod! No mention was made in the description. So I wasted $6 and have an extra short rod. Oh well. For what it's worth, it seem the short rods typically have a white plastic end and the long rods have a black plastic end. So how did it install? Perfect. Bolted in like it should, I was able to bleed it from the slave up (so the rod wasn't too long). And I had the assistance of a six-year-old who was able to lay down on the floorboard and reach up under the dash! So I'm hoping that the last time I have to mess with that master cylinder for at least a dozen years. Next was the starter motor. The one in the car was requiring a tap on the solenoid every time the car was cranked. I put in a used one - that often would just spin and not crank the engine. So I took apart 3 starters and picked the best parts from each and put together a whole one that's working fine. Some days it's worth that kind of effort to safe $150 dollars. The last item was the power steering return hose. It was rubbing against an air conditioner hose and nearly worn through. I found it odd the A/C hose shows almost no wear, while the PS hose was very worn. A new piece of Continental hose and that was fixed. I also drained and flush the fluid and put in a new filter. The old filter was one I haven't seen before. Three pieces, a steel bottom plate with ears to hold the element, a steel top plate, and the filter element NOT paper. It looks like it may be reusable. I cleaned it up and put it in the spare parts box and put a new Mann in the pump. Now I just need to get a MIG welder and repair some sheet metal... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: 84 300 TD Mercedes
If someone buys em, I can use the extra set of headlight doors. Not Mine, etc. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. From: ro...@craigslist.org To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: 84 Mercedes Turbo Diesel Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 22:31:39 + ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Beater For Mao
No Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2015, at 8:21 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Kaleb wrote: That is a steal Shall I call on it - for you? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
On some of our vehicles the load varies wildly (truck!), so I like to keep a close eye on mileage. It can help tame my wife's lead foot. Also, sudden mileage drops can indicate something that needs addressing. I have always done it this way, my entire life. On the farm, in college, since then... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Beater For Mao
Yep, and during this one's lifetime, chances are higher that it'll bend rods or do other catastrophic things, but you'll never get Mr. MB to admit it. They just changed names and kept makin' and sellin' 'em. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Beater For Mao On May 27, 2015 at 5:35 PM WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Bends rods, too. But these rodbender engines last a lifetime. Didn't ya read the ad? Actually all mechanical devices last a lifetime, their lifetime of course. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Beater For Mao
'Better snap it up. Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Beater For Mao That is a steal Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2015, at 2:43 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/5043396472.html Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
Curly wrote: Whole lotta action on the golf courses and extended vacations Probably no more golf outings than other persons in that position in this country? As to Randy comments regarding his inability to get people to work together for the benefit of the country - couldn't that be analyzed to be racism? Be careful not to react that you are not racist and that most are not racist. Racist Anonymous needs to be established. I suggest there is more racism than we want to admit. i.e. inner city=code for black neighborhood, etc - we hide inflammatory words to hide racism. Many other words to add to a list of code words masking racism. What do you think? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
Pretty sure I'm not racist. I'm also pretty sure that I would be very nervous in _any_ inner city situation, regardless of the 'decor'! IMHO population density is the problem, not color. Urban Stupid is a sub-culture. Not sure why it appears to be so attractive. I'm _glad_ Obama has been ineffective! What he wanted to do is not what I wanted done. OTOH, people seem to elect based on powers the office does not have. So to Urban Stupid we have to add the other prevalent sub-culture: Regular Stupid! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: 84 300 TD Mercedes
If I didn't have two running123 wagons I'd be all over this. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not Mine, etc. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. From: ro...@craigslist.org To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: 84 Mercedes Turbo Diesel Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 22:31:39 + fred.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist: 84 Mercedes Turbo Diesel http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/cto/5038238324.html If you don't want to receive email-a-friend messages, please go to: https://accounts.craigslist.org/eafprefs/U2FsdGVkX18yMzk2MjIzObpe3PvxITDwzLWxuIdkJZWnKc3hGFRAwIfTND8J8drINIOYs5b-Hw3YWjIeyjuyjQ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: fmiser fmi...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel Jim wrote: Since the foaming is enough to prevent something like a full gallon going in, I always de-foam and top off. Andrew wrote: Yeah, but it gets tedious doesn't it? Fueling? Yes. Waiting a bit to get another 25+ miles of range? No. I drive long miles [kilometers] so it's easily worth it to me to let the foam settle, shake the car a bit, and get more fuel in. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Beater For Mao
Kaleb wrote: That is a steal Shall I call on it - for you? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Beater For Mao
That is a steal Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2015, at 2:43 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/5043396472.html Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] FW: 84 300 TD Mercedes
Not Mine, etc. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. From: ro...@craigslist.org To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: 84 Mercedes Turbo Diesel Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 22:31:39 + fred.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist: 84 Mercedes Turbo Diesel http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/cto/5038238324.html If you don't want to receive email-a-friend messages, please go to: https://accounts.craigslist.org/eafprefs/U2FsdGVkX18yMzk2MjIzObpe3PvxITDwzLWxuIdkJZWnKc3hGFRAwIfTND8J8drINIOYs5b-Hw3YWjIeyjuyjQ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
On 27/05/2015 4:42 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote: RB wrote: Unfortunately, he appears to have been all talk and very little action. I think we could do a bit more introspection becuz I think our racism is more than we suspect - I'm not racist. Action not happening has been a function of the racism no matter how you frame it - they had both houses and still very little happened. mao ___ I did not say that it was all the fault of the president. I just said he had been a disappointment. I expect it is probably more difficult for him given his being the first black president, but he asked for the job and he must have known it would not be an easy task. He has not been able to get people to work together for the benefit of the country. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
I don't think that is fair. A whole lot of white people voted for him in order for him to get into the office of president. During the campaign he was a very good speaker. He convinced a lot of people that he could get the job done. Unfortunately, he appears to have been all talk and very little action. RB Whole lotta action on the golf courses and extended vacations ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] For y'all trekkies
Curly wrote: what does skin color have to do with incompetence? Yes. The incompetence seems to be a function of race, essentially. Examine it. We could dialog about the issue, but I doubt we can. Race is more explosive among citizens than politics so I suspect Dan to shove this thread to halt. I suspect I have much more racism than I would allow and I am open to admit that as a theory. Even if we can admit reality of the theory, I have zero hope that a fix is possible. I suspect humanity is racist, including skin color, ethnicity, national identity. Oh, well... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pumping diesel
Jim wrote: Since the foaming is enough to prevent something like a full gallon going in, I always de-foam and top off. Andrew wrote: Yeah, but it gets tedious doesn't it? Fueling? Yes. Waiting a bit to get another 25+ miles of range? No. I drive long miles [kilometers] so it's easily worth it to me to let the foam settle, shake the car a bit, and get more fuel in. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Beater For Mao
On May 27, 2015 at 5:35 PM WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Bends rods, too. But these rodbender engines last a lifetime. Didn't ya read the ad? Actually all mechanical devices last a lifetime, their lifetime of course. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
