Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

I wonder if anyone has ever been buried in their Mercedes; sitting up at the 
wheel; like others have in several makes? 

On Tue, 10 May 2016 16:25:07 -0500
"Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"  wrote:

> Mine is. And also to retain my fleet of cars. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 10, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Is your advanced directive "cryo-freeze and maintain" by any chance?
> > 
> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> This is a really interesting and insightful study regarding death and
> >> planning for it:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/03/05/286126451/living-wills-are-the-talk-of-the-town-in-la-crosse-wis
> >> 
> >> Dan who has an advanced directive and will come back from the grave and
> >> kick any family member's ass who tries to subvert it
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >> 
>  On May 10, 2016, at 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes 
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the
> >> reality is that the system is already moving toward providing less than
> >> acceptable outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service
> >> and multiple studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more
> >> prone to not be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That
> >> is going on even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding
> >> that what used to be easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors
> >> are fewer to be found, treatments are not covered or available, and the
> >> common response is to purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the
> >> best.
> >>> 
> >>> clay
> >>> 
> >>> 
>  On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>  
>  Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language
> >> to
>  lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
>  government run death camps...
>  
> 
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> I remember that as well, although not in WI.
> I had a chance to enter the water chemistry graduate program on the Madison 
> campus Bacak in The Day.  Did I go wrong in enrolling at the U of Minn and 
> pursuing geology instead?
~
Probably.
Otherwise you might now be involved in the exciting job of converting sewage 
into drinking water. 

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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

"Stupid is apparently the most powerful force on the earth."


Nope, the urge to reproduce clearly beats it by a nose.

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[MBZ] Nazi Craigslist Corvette

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Amazing.

http://jalopnik.com/the-swastikas-arent-even-the-most-ridiculous-thing-abou-1775847049

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Great New Parts Source

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What about OEM displacement?
On May 10, 2016 5:28 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yep, I buy all my parts there. They sell the best blinker fluid and
> muffler bearings.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On May 10, 2016, at 3:47 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Kaleb,
> >
> > These guys blow AutohausAZ away:
> >
> > http://kalecoauto.com
> >
> > Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Console Wanted

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Glad you like it.  I drove my 1¢ on the dollar 
SDL yesterday and today!  the value is hard to 
beat!  Yes, I love it.  I hauled the boss lady 
around a little today and she loved it .  The 
guard looked at it and said to his campadre, 
"Northern car!"He had no idea how right he 
was!



I have a near permanently affixed smile from 
driving my W126. Had I ever envisioned how much 
pleasure I get from this car I don't think I 
would have ever considered buying/driving 
anything else.


And no, Kaleb, it's not for sale. You already 
have more than your personal quota of W126 
diesels.


Dan "Klatta-Klatta"

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 On May 10, 2016, at 10:39 AM, WILTON via 
Mercedes  wrote:


 'Rather have a really nice 126 than my 211.

 No, I'm not ready to trade, yet, and I'm not takin' $500 dollars for it.


 > Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Is clay selling this car?

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pimp wheels

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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Been that way for years, buddy.

My neighbor in Wisconsin was a pediatrician who had to go into a clinical 
practice because there was no way she could make a living in a private 
practice.  Between the lousy payouts from the insurance companies and the cost 
of malpractice insurance, it’s impossible for a physician to make it on their 
own or in a small practice.



The local hospital in Charlotte employs about 90% of the general practitioners 
in town. They don't advertise it, but if their office is in a hospital owned 
building there's a near certainty that your bill will come from the hospital's 
billing department no matter what name the practice goes by.


For instance, my doctor's business name is Family Care Specialists, but as near 
as I can tell he's a fully owned employee of Hayes-Green-Beech Hospital.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Value Question

[OK Don via Mercedes]

It's the 240D of vergassers - performance wise.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Dog
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 10, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > It’s a 380SL, verified with the VIN.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >> On May 10, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> >>
> >> Done and please post the VIN and we’ll determine exactly what you’ve
> got.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>> On May 10, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Donald Snook  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sure.  I'll send them and I'm guessing Dan will have to approve them.
>   I just saw the trunk lid and it says 560SL.   But, my stepdaughter said
> it was a 380SL.I wonder if someone replaced the trunk lid badge.   I
> can't tell from the picture of the engine if it's a 560 or 380.  I do know
> that if it's a 560, I might be interested and it's definitely worth more
> than the 380.
> >>>
> >>> Don Snook
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Craig [mailto:diese...@pisquared.net]
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:58 PM
> >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Value Question
> >>>
>  On Tue, 10 May 2016 19:49:51 + Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Thanks for all the responses.   I just found out the odometer says
>  83,XXX.   Based on the pictures that could be pretty close.   It needs
>  to be detailed, but its pretty nice.
> 
>  It is located in Ardmore, OK.
> >>>
> >>> How about posting some of the pictures?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Craig
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> <380SL.jpg><13120909_952032368228313_1508863347_o.jpg><13128781_952032674894949_655861695_o.jpg><13161359_952032234894993_729703769_o.jpg><13162092_952032454894971_954226874_n.jpg>
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Console Wanted

[MG via Mercedes]

HA! Mine was wasted a long time ago.

Manfred


Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 17:20:24 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 

I knew that.  I had California on the brain as I was just talking 
to someone about Los Angeles, hence the pivot to Hawthorne, which 
is in the SoCal area?.


A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] This is overpriced but could be nice

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On 10/05/2016 4:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:


Mercedes 300D
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5579167050.html

I like the yellow color of the parts car better than the caramel pudding 
color of the primary car.


RB

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[MBZ] Is clay selling this car?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

1984 mercedes 380SL Roadster - "Both Tops"
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[MBZ] Is clay selling this car?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

1984 mercedes 380SL Roadster - "Both Tops"
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5570366926.html

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[MBZ] This is overpriced but could be nice

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Mercedes 300D
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5579167050.html

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Re: [MBZ] Value Question

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Dog

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 10, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It’s a 380SL, verified with the VIN.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On May 10, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>> 
>> Done and please post the VIN and we’ll determine exactly what you’ve got.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 10, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Donald Snook  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sure.  I'll send them and I'm guessing Dan will have to approve them.I 
>>> just saw the trunk lid and it says 560SL.   But, my stepdaughter said it 
>>> was a 380SL.I wonder if someone replaced the trunk lid badge.   I can't 
>>> tell from the picture of the engine if it's a 560 or 380.  I do know that 
>>> if it's a 560, I might be interested and it's definitely worth more than 
>>> the 380.  
>>> 
>>> Don Snook
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Craig [mailto:diese...@pisquared.net] 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:58 PM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Value Question
>>> 
 On Tue, 10 May 2016 19:49:51 + Donald Snook via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Thanks for all the responses.   I just found out the odometer says
 83,XXX.   Based on the pictures that could be pretty close.   It needs
 to be detailed, but its pretty nice.  
 
 It is located in Ardmore, OK.  
>>> 
>>> How about posting some of the pictures?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <380SL.jpg><13120909_952032368228313_1508863347_o.jpg><13128781_952032674894949_655861695_o.jpg><13161359_952032234894993_729703769_o.jpg><13162092_952032454894971_954226874_n.jpg>
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Console Wanted

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

You would have a stroke picking over my carcasses. Even I do not know what all 
I have out there.

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> On May 10, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Duh.
> 
> I don’t know why I was thinking California.
> 
> I’ll drop you a PM and we can take this discussion private.  I would love to 
> come up and pick over the carcass.  No telling what might be there that’s of 
> value…
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On May 10, 2016, at 4:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hawthorne,  CA?
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 10, 2016, at 4:40 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK took a look and it looks good even though it is blue.
>>> It's in a 12/81 300SD so it should be right as far as fit.
>>> 
>>> I'm up in Hawthorne if you want to come up and get it or anything else you 
>>> may need off the carcase. Though to be honest there isn't all that much 
>>> left that I'm interested in for my 300D or TD
>>> three52four81threeO85 If you want to call.
>>> Manfred
>>> 
>>> 
 Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 05:20:06 -0400
 From: Dan Penoff 
 
 That would be great!  Thank you!
 Dan
> On May 9, 2016, at 9:09 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Dan, I may have a serviceable center console for you. The car has been 
> out in the field for a few years so I don't know the condition. I will 
> check tomorrow.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
> Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 10:43:19 -0400
> From: Dan Penoff 
> 
> 
> I may have posted this previously, but I'm looking for a nice center 
> console for a W126.
> 
> The stereo that's installed was done by someone with a Sawzall and they 
> literally carved out the supports for the radio and ash tray.
> 
> Gray or black preferred, but I can paint anything with vinyl paint so 
> color isn't critical as long as it's in good shape.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Great New Parts Source

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep, I buy all my parts there. They sell the best blinker fluid and muffler 
bearings.

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> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb,
> 
> These guys blow AutohausAZ away:
> 
> http://kalecoauto.com
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Mine is. And also to retain my fleet of cars. 

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> On May 10, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is your advanced directive "cryo-freeze and maintain" by any chance?
> 
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> This is a really interesting and insightful study regarding death and
>> planning for it:
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/03/05/286126451/living-wills-are-the-talk-of-the-town-in-la-crosse-wis
>> 
>> Dan who has an advanced directive and will come back from the grave and
>> kick any family member's ass who tries to subvert it
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On May 10, 2016, at 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the
>> reality is that the system is already moving toward providing less than
>> acceptable outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service
>> and multiple studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more
>> prone to not be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That
>> is going on even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding
>> that what used to be easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors
>> are fewer to be found, treatments are not covered or available, and the
>> common response is to purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the
>> best.
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
 
 Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language
>> to
 lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
 government run death camps...
 


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Re: [MBZ] Great New Parts Source

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Dan, et al.
I tried them for electronic smoke and they don't have any.
Fred.

Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.


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Subject: [MBZ] Great New Parts Source

Kaleb,

These guys blow AutohausAZ away:

http://kalecoauto.com

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 126, Issue 82

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I knew that.  I had California on the brain as I was just talking to someone 
about Los Angeles, hence the pivot to Hawthorne, which is in the SoCal area….

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Dan


> On May 10, 2016, at 5:13 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 352 isn't in CA. It's just northeast of you.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
> 
>> Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 16:44:46 -0400
>> From: Dan Penoff 
>> To: Mercedes List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W126 Console Wanted
>> Message-ID: <73a7-a99a-4d6f-8476-559e1b998...@penoff.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> Hawthorne,  CA?
>> Dan
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 126, Issue 82

[MG via Mercedes]

352 isn't in CA. It's just northeast of you.

Manfred




Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 16:44:46 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 
To: Mercedes List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W126 Console Wanted
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hawthorne,  CA?

Dan




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Re: [MBZ] Value Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s a 380SL, verified with the VIN.

Dan


> On May 10, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
> Done and please post the VIN and we’ll determine exactly what you’ve got.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On May 10, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Donald Snook  wrote:
>> 
>> Sure.  I'll send them and I'm guessing Dan will have to approve them.I 
>> just saw the trunk lid and it says 560SL.   But, my stepdaughter said it was 
>> a 380SL.I wonder if someone replaced the trunk lid badge.   I can't tell 
>> from the picture of the engine if it's a 560 or 380.  I do know that if it's 
>> a 560, I might be interested and it's definitely worth more than the 380.  
>> 
>> Don Snook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Craig [mailto:diese...@pisquared.net] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:58 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Value Question
>> 
>> On Tue, 10 May 2016 19:49:51 + Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for all the responses.   I just found out the odometer says
>>> 83,XXX.   Based on the pictures that could be pretty close.   It needs
>>> to be detailed, but its pretty nice.  
>>> 
>>> It is located in Ardmore, OK.  
>> 
>> How about posting some of the pictures?
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
>> <380SL.jpg><13120909_952032368228313_1508863347_o.jpg><13128781_952032674894949_655861695_o.jpg><13161359_952032234894993_729703769_o.jpg><13162092_952032454894971_954226874_n.jpg>
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Re: [MBZ] Great New Parts Source

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I generally use a mix of exotic gases year-round, though Costco want to 
just squirt them up with nitrogen


--R

On 5/10/16 4:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Ahh seasonal tire air. That reminds me I need to change the air in the Jetta's 
tires...
-Curt

   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  To: Mercedes List 
Cc: Dan Penoff 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 4:47 PM
  Subject: [MBZ] Great New Parts Source

Kaleb,


These guys blow AutohausAZ away:

http://kalecoauto.com

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] W126 Console Wanted

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Duh.

I don’t know why I was thinking California.

I’ll drop you a PM and we can take this discussion private.  I would love to 
come up and pick over the carcass.  No telling what might be there that’s of 
value…

Thank you,

Dan


> On May 10, 2016, at 4:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hawthorne,  CA?
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On May 10, 2016, at 4:40 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> OK took a look and it looks good even though it is blue.
>> It's in a 12/81 300SD so it should be right as far as fit.
>> 
>> I'm up in Hawthorne if you want to come up and get it or anything else you 
>> may need off the carcase. Though to be honest there isn't all that much left 
>> that I'm interested in for my 300D or TD
>> three52four81threeO85 If you want to call.
>> Manfred
>> 
>> 
>>> Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 05:20:06 -0400
>>> From: Dan Penoff 
>>> 
>>> That would be great!  Thank you!
>>> Dan
 On May 9, 2016, at 9:09 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
 
 
 
 Dan, I may have a serviceable center console for you. The car has been out 
 in the field for a few years so I don't know the condition. I will check 
 tomorrow.
 
 Manfred
 
 
 Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 10:43:19 -0400
 From: Dan Penoff 
 
 
 I may have posted this previously, but I'm looking for a nice center 
 console for a W126.
 
 The stereo that's installed was done by someone with a Sawzall and they 
 literally carved out the supports for the radio and ash tray.
 
 Gray or black preferred, but I can paint anything with vinyl paint so 
 color isn't critical as long as it's in good shape.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Dan
 
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Re: [MBZ] Great New Parts Source

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Ahh seasonal tire air. That reminds me I need to change the air in the Jetta's 
tires...
-Curt

  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes List  
Cc: Dan Penoff 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 4:47 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Great New Parts Source
   
Kaleb,

These guys blow AutohausAZ away:

http://kalecoauto.com

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

My obgyn doc cousin finally gave up her independent practice when after 
paying her nurse and desk person, and the huge ins premiums, she was 
taking home less than either of her people while spending a lot more 
time working than they did.


She took up going to auctions and yard and garage sales, buying various 
tchotchkes and selling them on ebay sorta part time, and was making more 
money while "working" about 1/4 as much with no headaches.  After awhile 
she started working for a fat farm/spa sort of place as their resident 
doc for a salary 3d/wk, no worries, steady income, set her own schedule...


--R

On 5/10/16 4:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Been that way for years, buddy.

My neighbor in Wisconsin was a pediatrician who had to go into a clinical 
practice because there was no way she could make a living in a private 
practice.  Between the lousy payouts from the insurance companies and the cost 
of malpractice insurance, it’s impossible for a physician to make it on their 
own or in a small practice.

And that was in 1996.

Another friend of ours in the same area was (she’s now retired) an OB-GYN.  She 
did a lot of low income care, subsidized by Medicare. She told me more than 
once if she did it as a community service and couldn’t see how anyone could 
make a living on the lousy fees that were offered for services.

Dan

  

On May 10, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Really?  I didn't know doctors were going broke treating patients.  My
sense is that they earn a decent living.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Part of that problem is that many docs are realizing that it is impossible
to cover costs, much less make any money, serving up medicare as the
reimbursements are laughably low.  In rural areas, where there is a dearth
of medical care, you look at a lot of the docs and you will see names that
are not "historically American." These docs seem to have figured out how to
make a go of it, not necessarily by actually providing what they bill for.
I have related in the past the reimbursement for say, a visit to an
oncologist by a cancer patient, and no matter what your view of "health"
care insurance of the gummint type is, you can see it is unsustainable.

As reimbursements decline further due to Obamacare/medicare/singlepayer or
whatever other gummint scheme comes along, you will see no doc offering
services to holders of those plans, or long waiting times to get to the
docs who still do, for some reason.  Oh wait, that is already happening...

"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"

"If you like your health [medical] care plan, you can keep your plan"

--R

On 5/10/16 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:


WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the
reality is that the system is already moving toward providing less than
acceptable outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service
and multiple studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more
prone to not be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That
is going on even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding
that what used to be easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors
are fewer to be found, treatments are not covered or available, and the
common response is to purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the
best.

clay


On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to

lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
government run death camps...

Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward
their
lifetime of labor with short death?

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death

Squads we won't get anywhere.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of

life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever.
Those
people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic
light
changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
happen than when they do.
-Curt

  From: G Mann 
To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were
caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered
compound fracture o

Re: [MBZ] Great New Parts Source

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If you click on the link to "Mercedes Parts" it goes straight to
AutohausAZ.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 4:47 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Kaleb,
>
> These guys blow AutohausAZ away:
>
> http://kalecoauto.com
>
> Dan
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[MBZ] Great New Parts Source

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Kaleb,

These guys blow AutohausAZ away:

http://kalecoauto.com

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 126, Issue 77

[MG via Mercedes]

Well that isn't just it's field. I use it for a lot of other 
things. Runway, test track for repaired vehicles, hunt area and 
target range. Probably forgot some in there somewhere.


Manfred



Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 09:03:41 -0400
From: Buggered Benzmail 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W126 Console Wanted
Message-ID: <5731dc2d.8020...@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

The 126 is outstanding in its field

--R


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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

The ones who are independent practitioners have been abandoning gummint 
contracts because of the overhead and low payments.  Docs with larger 
institutions, or larger practices, where they can make $$ on other 
things and make up the losses on providing gummint care are doing OK but 
they are also making adjustments.


--BB

On 5/10/16 4:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
Really?  I didn't know doctors were going broke treating patients.  My 
sense is that they earn a decent living.


On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


Part of that problem is that many docs are realizing that it is
impossible to cover costs, much less make any money, serving up
medicare as the reimbursements are laughably low.  In rural areas,
where there is a dearth of medical care, you look at a lot of the
docs and you will see names that are not "historically American."
These docs seem to have figured out how to make a go of it, not
necessarily by actually providing what they bill for.  I have
related in the past the reimbursement for say, a visit to an
oncologist by a cancer patient, and no matter what your view of
"health" care insurance of the gummint type is, you can see it is
unsustainable.

As reimbursements decline further due to
Obamacare/medicare/singlepayer or whatever other gummint scheme
comes along, you will see no doc offering services to holders of
those plans, or long waiting times to get to the docs who still
do, for some reason.  Oh wait, that is already happening...

"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"

"If you like your health [medical] care plan, you can keep your plan"

--R

On 5/10/16 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program,
but the reality is that the system is already moving toward
providing less than acceptable outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH
has been plagued by crap service and multiple studies that
showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more prone to not
be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That
is going on even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother
is finding that what used to be easy to book appointments are
months out, the doctors are fewer to be found, treatments are
not covered or available, and the common response is to
purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the best.

clay


On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically
Correct language to
lure the unsuspecting people into funding then
volunteering for the
government run death camps...

Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become
hard to
control.. How could we run the collective farms and get
industrial
production if they became upset or suspected we were going
to reward their
lifetime of labor with short death?

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via
Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:

As long as these end of life discussions are
characterized as Obama Death
Squads we won't get anywhere.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via
Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com >
wrote:

Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any
discussion of the end of
life so far too many people think granny is going
to live forever. Those
people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
In a similar vein are the people who are surprised
when the traffic light
changes from green to red, a completely
predictable action, just like
granny dying. In both cases we should be more
surprised when they DON'T
happen than when they do.
-Curt

  From: G Mann mailto:g2ma...@gmail.com>>
To: Curt Raymond mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com>>; Mercedes
Discussion List <
mercedes@okiebenz.com >
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had
two friends who were
caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each
mother fell and suffe

Re: [MBZ] W126 Console Wanted

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Hawthorne,  CA?

Dan


> On May 10, 2016, at 4:40 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> OK took a look and it looks good even though it is blue.
> It's in a 12/81 300SD so it should be right as far as fit.
> 
> I'm up in Hawthorne if you want to come up and get it or anything else you 
> may need off the carcase. Though to be honest there isn't all that much left 
> that I'm interested in for my 300D or TD
> three52four81threeO85 If you want to call.
> Manfred
> 
> 
>> Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 05:20:06 -0400
>> From: Dan Penoff 
>> 
>> That would be great!  Thank you!
>> Dan
>>> On May 9, 2016, at 9:09 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan, I may have a serviceable center console for you. The car has been out 
>>> in the field for a few years so I don't know the condition. I will check 
>>> tomorrow.
>>> 
>>> Manfred
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 10:43:19 -0400
>>> From: Dan Penoff 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I may have posted this previously, but I'm looking for a nice center 
>>> console for a W126.
>>> 
>>> The stereo that's installed was done by someone with a Sawzall and they 
>>> literally carved out the supports for the radio and ash tray.
>>> 
>>> Gray or black preferred, but I can paint anything with vinyl paint so color 
>>> isn't critical as long as it's in good shape.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[clay via Mercedes]

I jumped ship when my internist left his practice to join a concierge service.  
There was far too much overhead and not enough income to pay for the 
administrative costs.  Medicaide pays nothing, insco drags feet for over 120 
days, and gives a fraction as payment.  He had to pretty much be factory worker 
seeing people for five to ten minutes then rush to the next person.  The shop 
would have made more renting the rooms out to hookers.  

My doc took over his father's practice and was at three docs when  I found him, 
 He fled when there were seven and they could no longer cover costs.  That shop 
is still there, plugging away while the Titanic sinks.  My medic is now able to 
give me all the time needed, in a relaxed and thoughtful manner.  He can afford 
to send his kids to college, where they are racking up debt to become healers, 
but at least they will not be enslaved to the debt

clay

On May 10, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

> Really?  I didn't know doctors were going broke treating patients.  My
> sense is that they earn a decent living.
> 
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Part of that problem is that many docs are realizing that it is impossible
>> to cover costs, much less make any money, serving up medicare as the
>> reimbursements are laughably low.  In rural areas, where there is a dearth
>> of medical care, you look at a lot of the docs and you will see names that
>> are not "historically American." These docs seem to have figured out how to
>> make a go of it, not necessarily by actually providing what they bill for.
>> I have related in the past the reimbursement for say, a visit to an
>> oncologist by a cancer patient, and no matter what your view of "health"
>> care insurance of the gummint type is, you can see it is unsustainable.
>> 
>> As reimbursements decline further due to Obamacare/medicare/singlepayer or
>> whatever other gummint scheme comes along, you will see no doc offering
>> services to holders of those plans, or long waiting times to get to the
>> docs who still do, for some reason.  Oh wait, that is already happening...
>> 
>> "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"
>> 
>> "If you like your health [medical] care plan, you can keep your plan"
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> On 5/10/16 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the
>>> reality is that the system is already moving toward providing less than
>>> acceptable outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service
>>> and multiple studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more
>>> prone to not be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That
>>> is going on even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding
>>> that what used to be easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors
>>> are fewer to be found, treatments are not covered or available, and the
>>> common response is to purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the
>>> best.
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to
 lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
 government run death camps...
 
 Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
 control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
 production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward
 their
 lifetime of labor with short death?
 
 On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
> Squads we won't get anywhere.
> 
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
>> life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever.
>> Those
>> people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
>> In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic
>> light
>> changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
>> granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
>> happen than when they do.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>  From: G Mann 
>> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
>> 
>> On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were
>> caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered
>> compound fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder
>> 
> joint...
> 
>> br

Re: [MBZ] WAS - fuel cans - spouts - Now Osama Care

[clay via Mercedes]

Local health provider in less urban counties are stocking up on Non-English 
speakers for MD posts.  These people have a skewed view of how to deal with 
white folk, or anybody needing attention.  I think they are more prone to 
drinking the Kool Aid that Admin is passing out as to level of service to 
provide.  Cost saving is the key, not health of the patient.  Make a Buck, 
screw the infirm.  The dance with insco and Admin results in treatment only as 
long as there is cash to be siphoned.  Oncologist would rather not go through 
the dance to get best care the insco will pay, just give the least you can get 
away with.  That crap is what killed my father.  As a geriatric oncology 
patient, his sawbones knew he should have immune boosters, but did not do it 
until I contact attorney who chatted with a lead Admin at the cancer center.  
By then it was too late, as the chemo had destroyed his immune system and he 
died a month later.  I am not sure five months of booster would have prolonged 
lif
 e over much, but it would have given him a fighting chance to survive chemo.

clay

On May 10, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

> Part of that problem is that many docs are realizing that it is impossible to 
> cover costs, much less make any money, serving up medicare as the 
> reimbursements are laughably low.  In rural areas, where there is a dearth of 
> medical care, you look at a lot of the docs and you will see names that are 
> not "historically American." These docs seem to have figured out how to make 
> a go of it, not necessarily by actually providing what they bill for.  I have 
> related in the past the reimbursement for say, a visit to an oncologist by a 
> cancer patient, and no matter what your view of "health" care insurance of 
> the gummint type is, you can see it is unsustainable.
> 
> As reimbursements decline further due to Obamacare/medicare/singlepayer or 
> whatever other gummint scheme comes along, you will see no doc offering 
> services to holders of those plans, or long waiting times to get to the docs 
> who still do, for some reason.  Oh wait, that is already happening...
> 
> "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"
> 
> "If you like your health [medical] care plan, you can keep your plan"
> 
> --R
> 
> On 5/10/16 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the reality 
>> is that the system is already moving toward providing less than acceptable 
>> outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service and multiple 
>> studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more prone to not 
>> be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That is going on 
>> even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding that what used 
>> to be easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors are fewer to be 
>> found, treatments are not covered or available, and the common response is 
>> to purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the best.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to
>>> lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
>>> government run death camps...
>>> 
>>> Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
>>> control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
>>> production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward their
>>> lifetime of labor with short death?
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
 Squads we won't get anywhere.
 
 On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
> life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever. Those
> people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
> In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic light
> changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
> granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
> happen than when they do.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: G Mann 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
> 
> On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were
> caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered
> compound fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder
 joint...
> brittle bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and
> fierce independence, in both cases.
> 
> One

Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Been that way for years, buddy.

My neighbor in Wisconsin was a pediatrician who had to go into a clinical 
practice because there was no way she could make a living in a private 
practice.  Between the lousy payouts from the insurance companies and the cost 
of malpractice insurance, it’s impossible for a physician to make it on their 
own or in a small practice.

And that was in 1996.

Another friend of ours in the same area was (she’s now retired) an OB-GYN.  She 
did a lot of low income care, subsidized by Medicare. She told me more than 
once if she did it as a community service and couldn’t see how anyone could 
make a living on the lousy fees that were offered for services.

Dan

 
> On May 10, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Really?  I didn't know doctors were going broke treating patients.  My
> sense is that they earn a decent living.
> 
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Part of that problem is that many docs are realizing that it is impossible
>> to cover costs, much less make any money, serving up medicare as the
>> reimbursements are laughably low.  In rural areas, where there is a dearth
>> of medical care, you look at a lot of the docs and you will see names that
>> are not "historically American." These docs seem to have figured out how to
>> make a go of it, not necessarily by actually providing what they bill for.
>> I have related in the past the reimbursement for say, a visit to an
>> oncologist by a cancer patient, and no matter what your view of "health"
>> care insurance of the gummint type is, you can see it is unsustainable.
>> 
>> As reimbursements decline further due to Obamacare/medicare/singlepayer or
>> whatever other gummint scheme comes along, you will see no doc offering
>> services to holders of those plans, or long waiting times to get to the
>> docs who still do, for some reason.  Oh wait, that is already happening...
>> 
>> "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"
>> 
>> "If you like your health [medical] care plan, you can keep your plan"
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> On 5/10/16 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the
>>> reality is that the system is already moving toward providing less than
>>> acceptable outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service
>>> and multiple studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more
>>> prone to not be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That
>>> is going on even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding
>>> that what used to be easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors
>>> are fewer to be found, treatments are not covered or available, and the
>>> common response is to purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the
>>> best.
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to
 lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
 government run death camps...
 
 Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
 control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
 production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward
 their
 lifetime of labor with short death?
 
 On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
> Squads we won't get anywhere.
> 
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
>> life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever.
>> Those
>> people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
>> In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic
>> light
>> changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
>> granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
>> happen than when they do.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>  From: G Mann 
>> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
>> 
>> On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were
>> caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered
>> compound fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder
>> 
> joint...
> 
>> brittle bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and
>> fierce independence, in both cases.
>> 
>> One had full coverage insurance... the other something less .. both
>> 

Re: [MBZ] W126 Console Wanted

[MG via Mercedes]

OK took a look and it looks good even though it is blue.
It's in a 12/81 300SD so it should be right as far as fit.

I'm up in Hawthorne if you want to come up and get it or anything 
else you may need off the carcase. Though to be honest there 
isn't all that much left that I'm interested in for my 300D or TD

three52four81threeO85 If you want to call.
Manfred



Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 05:20:06 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 


That would be great!  Thank you!

Dan



On May 9, 2016, at 9:09 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:



Dan, I may have a serviceable center console for you. The car has been out in 
the field for a few years so I don't know the condition. I will check tomorrow.

Manfred


Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 10:43:19 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 


I may have posted this previously, but I'm looking for a nice center console 
for a W126.

The stereo that's installed was done by someone with a Sawzall and they 
literally carved out the supports for the radio and ash tray.

Gray or black preferred, but I can paint anything with vinyl paint so color 
isn't critical as long as it's in good shape.

Thanks,

Dan



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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Really?  I didn't know doctors were going broke treating patients.  My
sense is that they earn a decent living.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Part of that problem is that many docs are realizing that it is impossible
> to cover costs, much less make any money, serving up medicare as the
> reimbursements are laughably low.  In rural areas, where there is a dearth
> of medical care, you look at a lot of the docs and you will see names that
> are not "historically American." These docs seem to have figured out how to
> make a go of it, not necessarily by actually providing what they bill for.
> I have related in the past the reimbursement for say, a visit to an
> oncologist by a cancer patient, and no matter what your view of "health"
> care insurance of the gummint type is, you can see it is unsustainable.
>
> As reimbursements decline further due to Obamacare/medicare/singlepayer or
> whatever other gummint scheme comes along, you will see no doc offering
> services to holders of those plans, or long waiting times to get to the
> docs who still do, for some reason.  Oh wait, that is already happening...
>
> "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"
>
> "If you like your health [medical] care plan, you can keep your plan"
>
> --R
>
> On 5/10/16 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the
>> reality is that the system is already moving toward providing less than
>> acceptable outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service
>> and multiple studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more
>> prone to not be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That
>> is going on even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding
>> that what used to be easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors
>> are fewer to be found, treatments are not covered or available, and the
>> common response is to purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the
>> best.
>>
>> clay
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>> Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to
>>> lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
>>> government run death camps...
>>>
>>> Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
>>> control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
>>> production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward
>>> their
>>> lifetime of labor with short death?
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
 Squads we won't get anywhere.

 On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
> life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever.
> Those
> people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
> In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic
> light
> changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
> granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
> happen than when they do.
> -Curt
>
>   From: G Mann 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
>
> On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were
> caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered
> compound fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder
>
 joint...

> brittle bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and
> fierce independence, in both cases.
>
> One had full coverage insurance... the other something less .. both
> were
> refused treatment by doctors.. other than to stabilize the arm. Reasons
> given did not match the injuries in either case... the underlying tone,
> however was, "my medical malpractice insurance won't let me touch this
> case" 
>
> That's what we have litigated ourselves into, folks...
>
> As my Father often said, "You can't legislate common sense."
> [The wisdom of 11 terms in House of Representatives.]
>
>
> |  | Virus-free. www.avast.com  |
>
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, absolutely yes!
> Malpractice lawyers mean that doctors and hospitals absolutely can't
>
 admit

> their mistakes so they have to come up with convoluted systems to
>
 "prevent

> mistakes" which generally make thing

Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Part of that problem is that many docs are realizing that it is 
impossible to cover costs, much less make any money, serving up medicare 
as the reimbursements are laughably low.  In rural areas, where there is 
a dearth of medical care, you look at a lot of the docs and you will see 
names that are not "historically American." These docs seem to have 
figured out how to make a go of it, not necessarily by actually 
providing what they bill for.  I have related in the past the 
reimbursement for say, a visit to an oncologist by a cancer patient, and 
no matter what your view of "health" care insurance of the gummint type 
is, you can see it is unsustainable.


As reimbursements decline further due to Obamacare/medicare/singlepayer 
or whatever other gummint scheme comes along, you will see no doc 
offering services to holders of those plans, or long waiting times to 
get to the docs who still do, for some reason.  Oh wait, that is already 
happening...


"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"

"If you like your health [medical] care plan, you can keep your plan"

--R

On 5/10/16 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the reality is 
that the system is already moving toward providing less than acceptable 
outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service and multiple 
studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more prone to not be 
given care that would result in extended life spans.  That is going on even now 
in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding that what used to be easy to 
book appointments are months out, the doctors are fewer to be found, treatments 
are not covered or available, and the common response is to purchase over the 
counter solutions and hope for the best.

clay


On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:


Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to
lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
government run death camps...

Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward their
lifetime of labor with short death?

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
Squads we won't get anywhere.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever. Those
people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic light
changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
happen than when they do.
-Curt

  From: G Mann 
To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were
caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered
compound fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder

joint...

brittle bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and
fierce independence, in both cases.

One had full coverage insurance... the other something less .. both were
refused treatment by doctors.. other than to stabilize the arm. Reasons
given did not match the injuries in either case... the underlying tone,
however was, "my medical malpractice insurance won't let me touch this
case" 

That's what we have litigated ourselves into, folks...

As my Father often said, "You can't legislate common sense."
[The wisdom of 11 terms in House of Representatives.]


|  | Virus-free. www.avast.com  |


On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Yes, absolutely yes!
Malpractice lawyers mean that doctors and hospitals absolutely can't

admit

their mistakes so they have to come up with convoluted systems to

"prevent

mistakes" which generally make things worse.
We have to learn to admit that the body is fantastically complicated and
sometimes things happen. Are some medical errors preventable? Sure. If
granny goes in for surgery at 95 years old and dies its probably not
because of a preventable error and the family shouldn't get any money for
it. Actually the doc that should get in trouble is the one that put her

in

surgery in the first place.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading ca

Re: [MBZ] Value Question

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 10 May 2016 19:49:51 + Donald Snook via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Thanks for all the responses.   I just found out the odometer says
> 83,XXX.   Based on the pictures that could be pretty close.   It needs
> to be detailed, but its pretty nice.  
> 
> It is located in Ardmore, OK.  

How about posting some of the pictures?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Value Question

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

In that case it's worth about 2k

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 10, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all the responses.   I just found out the odometer says 83,XXX.   
> Based on the pictures that could be pretty close.   It needs to be detailed, 
> but its pretty nice.  
> 
> It is located in Ardmore, OK.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Penoff [mailto:dpen...@verizon.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:03 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Value Question
> 
> Donald,
> 
> Hope all is well with you and yours.
> 
> With what little information you've given, based on what I have seen around 
> my area a similarly equipped and described car would probably be in the 
> $5,000-$8,000 range, I would guess.
> 
> Lots and lots of variables in there, so this is probably a swag at best.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On May 10, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Guys.  Long time no post.   Sorry, I have just been swamped with work, 
>> opening my new office, etc.
>> 
>> One of my wife's relatives had a 1983 380SL.  He recently died and my 
>> stepdaughter has been asked to store the car.  She asked me what it is worth 
>> because they are going to sell it.   The odometer says roughly 70,000 but it 
>> stopped.  They don't know when it stopped.   The runs great.  They described 
>> it as a 7 out 10 in terms of condition.  The only issue is minor fading of 
>> the paint on the trunk.   They have the hard top as well as the soft top.  
>> It is gold and has no rust, seats are in good shape, etc.   Given the fact 
>> that the mileage is unknown what is a reasonable value for this car in good 
>> to very good condition, but with unknown mileage?
>> 
>> She sent me some pictures.
>> 
>> Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Value Question

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Thanks for all the responses.   I just found out the odometer says 83,XXX.   
Based on the pictures that could be pretty close.   It needs to be detailed, 
but its pretty nice.  

It is located in Ardmore, OK.  

-Original Message-
From: Dan Penoff [mailto:dpen...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:03 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Value Question

Donald,

Hope all is well with you and yours.

With what little information you've given, based on what I have seen around my 
area a similarly equipped and described car would probably be in the 
$5,000-$8,000 range, I would guess.

Lots and lots of variables in there, so this is probably a swag at best.

Dan

> On May 10, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey Guys.  Long time no post.   Sorry, I have just been swamped with work, 
> opening my new office, etc.
> 
> One of my wife's relatives had a 1983 380SL.  He recently died and my 
> stepdaughter has been asked to store the car.  She asked me what it is worth 
> because they are going to sell it.   The odometer says roughly 70,000 but it 
> stopped.  They don't know when it stopped.   The runs great.  They described 
> it as a 7 out 10 in terms of condition.  The only issue is minor fading of 
> the paint on the trunk.   They have the hard top as well as the soft top.  It 
> is gold and has no rust, seats are in good shape, etc.   Given the fact that 
> the mileage is unknown what is a reasonable value for this car in good to 
> very good condition, but with unknown mileage?
> 
> She sent me some pictures.
> 
> Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Is your advanced directive "cryo-freeze and maintain" by any chance?

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is a really interesting and insightful study regarding death and
> planning for it:
>
>
> http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/03/05/286126451/living-wills-are-the-talk-of-the-town-in-la-crosse-wis
>
> Dan who has an advanced directive and will come back from the grave and
> kick any family member's ass who tries to subvert it
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On May 10, 2016, at 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the
> reality is that the system is already moving toward providing less than
> acceptable outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service
> and multiple studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more
> prone to not be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That
> is going on even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding
> that what used to be easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors
> are fewer to be found, treatments are not covered or available, and the
> common response is to purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the
> best.
> >
> > clay
> >
> >
> >> On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language
> to
> >> lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
> >> government run death camps...
> >>
> >> Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
> >> control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
> >> production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward
> their
> >> lifetime of labor with short death?
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama
> Death
> >>> Squads we won't get anywhere.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end
> of
>  life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever.
> Those
>  people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
>  In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic
> light
>  changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
>  granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they
> DON'T
>  happen than when they do.
>  -Curt
> 
>  From: G Mann 
>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
> 
> > WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the
> reality is that the system is already moving toward providing less than
> acceptable outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service
> and multiple studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more
> prone to not be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That
> is going on even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding
> that what used to be easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors
> are fewer to be found, treatments are not covered or available, and the
> common response is to purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the
> best.
> >
> > clay
> >
> >
> >> On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language
> to
> >> lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
> >> government run death camps...
> >>
> >> Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
> >> control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
> >> production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward
> their
> >> lifetime of labor with short death?
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama
> Death
> >>> Squads we won't get anywhere.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end
> of
>  life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever.
> Those
>  people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
>  In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic
> light
>  changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
>  granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they
> DON'T
>  happen than when they do.
>  -Curt
> 
> >>

Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This is a really interesting and insightful study regarding death and planning 
for it:

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/03/05/286126451/living-wills-are-the-talk-of-the-town-in-la-crosse-wis

Dan who has an advanced directive and will come back from the grave and kick 
any family member's ass who tries to subvert it

Sent from my iPad

> On May 10, 2016, at 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the reality 
> is that the system is already moving toward providing less than acceptable 
> outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service and multiple 
> studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more prone to not be 
> given care that would result in extended life spans.  That is going on even 
> now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding that what used to be 
> easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors are fewer to be found, 
> treatments are not covered or available, and the common response is to 
> purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the best.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
>> On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to
>> lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
>> government run death camps...
>> 
>> Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
>> control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
>> production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward their
>> lifetime of labor with short death?
>> 
>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
>>> Squads we won't get anywhere.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
 life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever. Those
 people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
 In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic light
 changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
 granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
 happen than when they do.
 -Curt
 
 From: G Mann 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
 
> WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the reality 
> is that the system is already moving toward providing less than acceptable 
> outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service and multiple 
> studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more prone to not be 
> given care that would result in extended life spans.  That is going on even 
> now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding that what used to be 
> easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors are fewer to be found, 
> treatments are not covered or available, and the common response is to 
> purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the best.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
>> On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to
>> lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
>> government run death camps...
>> 
>> Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
>> control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
>> production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward their
>> lifetime of labor with short death?
>> 
>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
>>> Squads we won't get anywhere.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
 life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever. Those
 people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
 In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic light
 changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
 granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
 happen than when they do.
 -Curt
 
 From: G Mann 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
 
 On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were
 caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fe

Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - now spouting off

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Tough subject isn't it?
Something like 90% of doctors would tell you they don't want CPR performed on 
them due to poor expected life outcomes. Most people think "CPR = life" with no 
consequences of broken ribs or perforated inside bits.
The solution is always education which of course most people don't want...
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - now spouting off
   
So Curt - are you in favor of Death Squads?;)
On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Yup, exactly right. My 96 year old grandmother has some kind of knee problem. 
She's got a good doc who explained that they could work at it and it might 
never get better or might even get worse. It doesn't bother her too much so she 
just lives with it.
Something like 80% of all health care goes to people in the last couple years 
of life which just prolongs the inevitable, usually in pain and dementia...

-Curt

      From: Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 1:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - now spouting off

A big problem is when the family brings sick granny to the hospital for
whatever her ailment is.  Granny doesn't know, doesn't care, has no
idea...  In many cases she is not going to get "better" no matter what
the docs could do for her.  But the family wants "everything" done and
Medicare will pay for it, so no issue there (for them). She might
improve for a little while, if she survives the treatments which could
be debilitating in and of themselves, but it is not going to be long
before the inevitable occurs.  The family (and often one very vocal
member) will not hear of any rationality, like a living will, DNR,
appointing a POA, etc. and want granny to live longer based on medical
science.  Quality of life is not a consideration, except for the family
member(s) who want to believe they have "done everything."  So torture
granny for awhile instead of just keeping her comfortable...

And it is up to the docs to deal with that mess.

I don't know about the broken bones for old folks, seems like arms might
not be a big deal, but their ability to deal with anesthesia and such is
high risk, and healing is very slow if it even happens. My auntie, who
is probably 90 now, has had a broken foot bone for maybe 4 years,
despite good medical care to deal with it, and in otherwise not bad
health, she just can't heal.

--BB

On 5/10/16 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of life 
> so far too many people think granny is going to live forever. Those people 
> sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
> In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic light 
> changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like granny 
> dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T happen than 
> when they do.
> -Curt
>
>        From: G Mann 
>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
>   
> On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were caring 
> for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered compound 
> fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder joint... brittle 
> bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and fierce 
> independence, in both cases.
>
> One had full coverage insurance... the other something less .. both were 
> refused treatment by doctors.. other than to stabilize the arm. Reasons given 
> did not match the injuries in either case... the underlying tone, however 
> was, "my medical malpractice insurance won't let me touch this case" 
>
> That's what we have litigated ourselves into, folks...
>
> As my Father often said, "You can't legislate common sense."
> [The wisdom of 11 terms in House of Representatives.]
>
>
> |  | Virus-free. www.avast.com  |
>
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
> Yes, absolutely yes!
> Malpractice lawyers mean that doctors and hospitals absolutely can't admit 
> their mistakes so they have to come up with convoluted systems to "prevent 
> mistakes" which generally make things worse.
> We have to learn to admit that the body is fantastically complicated and 
> sometimes things happen. Are some medical errors preventable? Sure. If granny 
> goes in for surgery at 95 years old and dies its probably not because of a 
> preventable error and the family shouldn't get any money for it. Actually the 
> doc that should get in trouble is the one that put her in surgery in the 
> first place.
> -Curt
>
>        From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:25 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
>

Re: [MBZ] Value Question

[clay via Mercedes]

Nobody blew on hookers.  Though hookers could be fun to use as models for 
future auto sales

I did get the seller three times what he wanted for a kind of clapped out 77 
450SL

clay

On May 10, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> Clay had a long night of hookers and blow last night.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 10, 2016, at 1:41 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Without pictures or ability to look it over, I would assume it is really as 
>> described with no rust, minor paint damage and all subsystems are fully 
>> functional, new tires, leather seats, great soft top.  I would give it a 
>> $7k-9500 range.
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 10, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Guys.  Long time no post.   Sorry, I have just been swamped with work, 
>>> opening my new office, etc.
>>> 
>>> One of my wife's relatives had a 1983 380SL.  He recently died and my 
>>> stepdaughter has been asked to store the car.  She asked me what it is 
>>> worth because they are going to sell it.   The odometer says roughly 70,000 
>>> but it stopped.  They don't know when it stopped.   The runs great.  They 
>>> described it as a 7 out 10 in terms of condition.  The only issue is minor 
>>> fading of the paint on the trunk.   They have the hard top as well as the 
>>> soft top.  It is gold and has no rust, seats are in good shape, etc.   
>>> Given the fact that the mileage is unknown what is a reasonable value for 
>>> this car in good to very good condition, but with unknown mileage?
>>> 
>>> She sent me some pictures.
>>> 
>>> Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Value Question

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Only if the timing chain conversion has been done to double chain from
single

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 2:41 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Without pictures or ability to look it over, I would assume it is really
> as described with no rust, minor paint damage and all subsystems are fully
> functional, new tires, leather seats, great soft top.  I would give it a
> $7k-9500 range.
>
>
> clay
>
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>
> > Hey Guys.  Long time no post.   Sorry, I have just been swamped with
> work, opening my new office, etc.
> >
> > One of my wife's relatives had a 1983 380SL.  He recently died and my
> stepdaughter has been asked to store the car.  She asked me what it is
> worth because they are going to sell it.   The odometer says roughly 70,000
> but it stopped.  They don't know when it stopped.   The runs great.  They
> described it as a 7 out 10 in terms of condition.  The only issue is minor
> fading of the paint on the trunk.   They have the hard top as well as the
> soft top.  It is gold and has no rust, seats are in good shape, etc.
>  Given the fact that the mileage is unknown what is a reasonable value for
> this car in good to very good condition, but with unknown mileage?
> >
> > She sent me some pictures.
> >
> > Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - now spouting off

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So Curt - are you in favor of Death Squads?
;)

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yup, exactly right. My 96 year old grandmother has some kind of knee
> problem. She's got a good doc who explained that they could work at it and
> it might never get better or might even get worse. It doesn't bother her
> too much so she just lives with it.
> Something like 80% of all health care goes to people in the last couple
> years of life which just prolongs the inevitable, usually in pain and
> dementia...
>
> -Curt
>
>   From: Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 1:10 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - now spouting off
>
> A big problem is when the family brings sick granny to the hospital for
> whatever her ailment is.  Granny doesn't know, doesn't care, has no
> idea...  In many cases she is not going to get "better" no matter what
> the docs could do for her.  But the family wants "everything" done and
> Medicare will pay for it, so no issue there (for them). She might
> improve for a little while, if she survives the treatments which could
> be debilitating in and of themselves, but it is not going to be long
> before the inevitable occurs.  The family (and often one very vocal
> member) will not hear of any rationality, like a living will, DNR,
> appointing a POA, etc. and want granny to live longer based on medical
> science.  Quality of life is not a consideration, except for the family
> member(s) who want to believe they have "done everything."  So torture
> granny for awhile instead of just keeping her comfortable...
>
> And it is up to the docs to deal with that mess.
>
> I don't know about the broken bones for old folks, seems like arms might
> not be a big deal, but their ability to deal with anesthesia and such is
> high risk, and healing is very slow if it even happens. My auntie, who
> is probably 90 now, has had a broken foot bone for maybe 4 years,
> despite good medical care to deal with it, and in otherwise not bad
> health, she just can't heal.
>
> --BB
>
> On 5/10/16 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
> life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever. Those
> people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
> > In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic
> light changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
> granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
> happen than when they do.
> > -Curt
> >
> >From: G Mann 
> >  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
> >
> > On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were
> caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered
> compound fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder joint...
> brittle bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and
> fierce independence, in both cases.
> >
> > One had full coverage insurance... the other something less .. both were
> refused treatment by doctors.. other than to stabilize the arm. Reasons
> given did not match the injuries in either case... the underlying tone,
> however was, "my medical malpractice insurance won't let me touch this
> case" 
> >
> > That's what we have litigated ourselves into, folks...
> >
> > As my Father often said, "You can't legislate common sense."
> > [The wisdom of 11 terms in House of Representatives.]
> >
> >
> > |  | Virus-free. www.avast.com  |
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, absolutely yes!
> > Malpractice lawyers mean that doctors and hospitals absolutely can't
> admit their mistakes so they have to come up with convoluted systems to
> "prevent mistakes" which generally make things worse.
> > We have to learn to admit that the body is fantastically complicated and
> sometimes things happen. Are some medical errors preventable? Sure. If
> granny goes in for surgery at 95 years old and dies its probably not
> because of a preventable error and the family shouldn't get any money for
> it. Actually the doc that should get in trouble is the one that put her in
> surgery in the first place.
> > -Curt
> >
> >From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
> >  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:25 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
> >
> > Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading cause
> of
> > death is medical errors.
> >
> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> But I repeat myself...
> >>
> >> --R
> >>
> >> On 5/10/16 12:03 PM,

Re: [MBZ] Value Question

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Clay had a long night of hookers and blow last night.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 10, 2016, at 1:41 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Without pictures or ability to look it over, I would assume it is really as 
> described with no rust, minor paint damage and all subsystems are fully 
> functional, new tires, leather seats, great soft top.  I would give it a 
> $7k-9500 range.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 10, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Guys.  Long time no post.   Sorry, I have just been swamped with work, 
>> opening my new office, etc.
>> 
>> One of my wife's relatives had a 1983 380SL.  He recently died and my 
>> stepdaughter has been asked to store the car.  She asked me what it is worth 
>> because they are going to sell it.   The odometer says roughly 70,000 but it 
>> stopped.  They don't know when it stopped.   The runs great.  They described 
>> it as a 7 out 10 in terms of condition.  The only issue is minor fading of 
>> the paint on the trunk.   They have the hard top as well as the soft top.  
>> It is gold and has no rust, seats are in good shape, etc.   Given the fact 
>> that the mileage is unknown what is a reasonable value for this car in good 
>> to very good condition, but with unknown mileage?
>> 
>> She sent me some pictures.
>> 
>> Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[clay via Mercedes]

WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the reality is 
that the system is already moving toward providing less than acceptable 
outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service and multiple 
studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more prone to not be 
given care that would result in extended life spans.  That is going on even now 
in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding that what used to be easy to 
book appointments are months out, the doctors are fewer to be found, treatments 
are not covered or available, and the common response is to purchase over the 
counter solutions and hope for the best.

clay


On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

> Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to
> lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
> government run death camps...
> 
> Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
> control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
> production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward their
> lifetime of labor with short death?
> 
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
>> Squads we won't get anywhere.
>> 
>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
>>> life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever. Those
>>> people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
>>> In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic light
>>> changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
>>> granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
>>> happen than when they do.
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>  From: G Mann 
>>> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
>>> 
>>> On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were
>>> caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered
>>> compound fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder
>> joint...
>>> brittle bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and
>>> fierce independence, in both cases.
>>> 
>>> One had full coverage insurance... the other something less .. both were
>>> refused treatment by doctors.. other than to stabilize the arm. Reasons
>>> given did not match the injuries in either case... the underlying tone,
>>> however was, "my medical malpractice insurance won't let me touch this
>>> case" 
>>> 
>>> That's what we have litigated ourselves into, folks...
>>> 
>>> As my Father often said, "You can't legislate common sense."
>>> [The wisdom of 11 terms in House of Representatives.]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> |  | Virus-free. www.avast.com  |
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, absolutely yes!
>>> Malpractice lawyers mean that doctors and hospitals absolutely can't
>> admit
>>> their mistakes so they have to come up with convoluted systems to
>> "prevent
>>> mistakes" which generally make things worse.
>>> We have to learn to admit that the body is fantastically complicated and
>>> sometimes things happen. Are some medical errors preventable? Sure. If
>>> granny goes in for surgery at 95 years old and dies its probably not
>>> because of a preventable error and the family shouldn't get any money for
>>> it. Actually the doc that should get in trouble is the one that put her
>> in
>>> surgery in the first place.
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
>>> 
>>> Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading cause
>> of
>>> death is medical errors.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 But I repeat myself...
 
 --R
 
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Re: [MBZ] Value Question

[clay via Mercedes]

The 380 is really not sought after.  Too many issues with the timing chain, 
weaker M116 engine, wonky ACC,  The thing would need to be in top shape to snag 
a high price.  There are a number of buyers with stars in their eyes who can be 
helped to part with big cash


On May 10, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> Send it to Clay, he'll get $10k for it... ;)
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 1:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Value Question
> 
> Donald,
> 
> Hope all is well with you and yours.
> 
> With what little information you've given, based on what I have seen around 
> my area a similarly equipped and described car would probably be in the 
> $5,000-$8,000 range, I would guess.
> 
> Lots and lots of variables in there, so this is probably a swag at best.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On May 10, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Guys.  Long time no post.  Sorry, I have just been swamped with work, 
>> opening my new office, etc.
>> 
>> One of my wife's relatives had a 1983 380SL.  He recently died and my 
>> stepdaughter has been asked to store the car.  She asked me what it is worth 
>> because they are going to sell it.  The odometer says roughly 70,000 but it 
>> stopped.  They don't know when it stopped.  The runs great.  They described 
>> it as a 7 out 10 in terms of condition.  The only issue is minor fading of 
>> the paint on the trunk.  They have the hard top as well as the soft top.  It 
>> is gold and has no rust, seats are in good shape, etc.  Given the fact that 
>> the mileage is unknown what is a reasonable value for this car in good to 
>> very good condition, but with unknown mileage?
>> 
>> She sent me some pictures.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Value Question

[clay via Mercedes]

Without pictures or ability to look it over, I would assume it is really as 
described with no rust, minor paint damage and all subsystems are fully 
functional, new tires, leather seats, great soft top.  I would give it a 
$7k-9500 range.


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On May 10, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

> Hey Guys.  Long time no post.   Sorry, I have just been swamped with work, 
> opening my new office, etc.
> 
> One of my wife's relatives had a 1983 380SL.  He recently died and my 
> stepdaughter has been asked to store the car.  She asked me what it is worth 
> because they are going to sell it.   The odometer says roughly 70,000 but it 
> stopped.  They don't know when it stopped.   The runs great.  They described 
> it as a 7 out 10 in terms of condition.  The only issue is minor fading of 
> the paint on the trunk.   They have the hard top as well as the soft top.  It 
> is gold and has no rust, seats are in good shape, etc.   Given the fact that 
> the mileage is unknown what is a reasonable value for this car in good to 
> very good condition, but with unknown mileage?
> 
> She sent me some pictures.
> 
> Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to
lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
government run death camps...

Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward their
lifetime of labor with short death?

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
> Squads we won't get anywhere.
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
> > life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever. Those
> > people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
> > In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic light
> > changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
> > granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
> > happen than when they do.
> > -Curt
> >
> >   From: G Mann 
> >  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
> >
> > On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were
> > caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered
> > compound fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder
> joint...
> > brittle bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and
> > fierce independence, in both cases.
> >
> > One had full coverage insurance... the other something less .. both were
> > refused treatment by doctors.. other than to stabilize the arm. Reasons
> > given did not match the injuries in either case... the underlying tone,
> > however was, "my medical malpractice insurance won't let me touch this
> > case" 
> >
> > That's what we have litigated ourselves into, folks...
> >
> > As my Father often said, "You can't legislate common sense."
> > [The wisdom of 11 terms in House of Representatives.]
> >
> >
> > |  | Virus-free. www.avast.com  |
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, absolutely yes!
> > Malpractice lawyers mean that doctors and hospitals absolutely can't
> admit
> > their mistakes so they have to come up with convoluted systems to
> "prevent
> > mistakes" which generally make things worse.
> > We have to learn to admit that the body is fantastically complicated and
> > sometimes things happen. Are some medical errors preventable? Sure. If
> > granny goes in for surgery at 95 years old and dies its probably not
> > because of a preventable error and the family shouldn't get any money for
> > it. Actually the doc that should get in trouble is the one that put her
> in
> > surgery in the first place.
> > -Curt
> >
> >   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
> >  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:25 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
> >
> > Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading cause
> of
> > death is medical errors.
> >
> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > But I repeat myself...
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > > On 5/10/16 12:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> > >
> > >> Southern Redneck Crackers
> > >>
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - now spouting off

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yup, exactly right. My 96 year old grandmother has some kind of knee problem. 
She's got a good doc who explained that they could work at it and it might 
never get better or might even get worse. It doesn't bother her too much so she 
just lives with it.
Something like 80% of all health care goes to people in the last couple years 
of life which just prolongs the inevitable, usually in pain and dementia...

-Curt

  From: Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 1:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - now spouting off
   
A big problem is when the family brings sick granny to the hospital for 
whatever her ailment is.  Granny doesn't know, doesn't care, has no 
idea...  In many cases she is not going to get "better" no matter what 
the docs could do for her.  But the family wants "everything" done and 
Medicare will pay for it, so no issue there (for them). She might 
improve for a little while, if she survives the treatments which could 
be debilitating in and of themselves, but it is not going to be long 
before the inevitable occurs.  The family (and often one very vocal 
member) will not hear of any rationality, like a living will, DNR, 
appointing a POA, etc. and want granny to live longer based on medical 
science.  Quality of life is not a consideration, except for the family 
member(s) who want to believe they have "done everything."  So torture 
granny for awhile instead of just keeping her comfortable...

And it is up to the docs to deal with that mess.

I don't know about the broken bones for old folks, seems like arms might 
not be a big deal, but their ability to deal with anesthesia and such is 
high risk, and healing is very slow if it even happens. My auntie, who 
is probably 90 now, has had a broken foot bone for maybe 4 years, 
despite good medical care to deal with it, and in otherwise not bad 
health, she just can't heal.

--BB

On 5/10/16 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of life 
> so far too many people think granny is going to live forever. Those people 
> sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
> In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic light 
> changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like granny 
> dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T happen than 
> when they do.
> -Curt
>
>        From: G Mann 
>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
>    
> On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were caring 
> for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered compound 
> fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder joint... brittle 
> bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and fierce 
> independence, in both cases.
>
> One had full coverage insurance... the other something less .. both were 
> refused treatment by doctors.. other than to stabilize the arm. Reasons given 
> did not match the injuries in either case... the underlying tone, however 
> was, "my medical malpractice insurance won't let me touch this case" 
>
> That's what we have litigated ourselves into, folks...
>
> As my Father often said, "You can't legislate common sense."
> [The wisdom of 11 terms in House of Representatives.]
>
>
> |  | Virus-free. www.avast.com  |
>
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
> Yes, absolutely yes!
> Malpractice lawyers mean that doctors and hospitals absolutely can't admit 
> their mistakes so they have to come up with convoluted systems to "prevent 
> mistakes" which generally make things worse.
> We have to learn to admit that the body is fantastically complicated and 
> sometimes things happen. Are some medical errors preventable? Sure. If granny 
> goes in for surgery at 95 years old and dies its probably not because of a 
> preventable error and the family shouldn't get any money for it. Actually the 
> doc that should get in trouble is the one that put her in surgery in the 
> first place.
> -Curt
>
>        From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:25 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
>
> Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading cause of
> death is medical errors.
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> But I repeat myself...
>>
>> --R
>>
>> On 5/10/16 12:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Southern Redneck Crackers
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Value Question

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Think harder Homer... Its right there for you to see.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 1:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Value Question
   
Depends on the color too, which you omitted..
On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Send it to Clay, he'll get $10k for it... ;)
-Curt

      From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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Cc: Dan Penoff 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Value Question

Donald,

Hope all is well with you and yours.

With what little information you've given, based on what I have seen around my 
area a similarly equipped and described car would probably be in the 
$5,000-$8,000 range, I would guess.

Lots and lots of variables in there, so this is probably a swag at best.

Dan

> On May 10, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
> Hey Guys.  Long time no post.  Sorry, I have just been swamped with work, 
> opening my new office, etc.
>
> One of my wife's relatives had a 1983 380SL.  He recently died and my 
> stepdaughter has been asked to store the car.  She asked me what it is worth 
> because they are going to sell it.  The odometer says roughly 70,000 but it 
> stopped.  They don't know when it stopped.  The runs great.  They described 
> it as a 7 out 10 in terms of condition.  The only issue is minor fading of 
> the paint on the trunk.  They have the hard top as well as the soft top.  It 
> is gold and has no rust, seats are in good shape, etc.  Given the fact that 
> the mileage is unknown what is a reasonable value for this car in good to 
> very good condition, but with unknown mileage?
>
> She sent me some pictures.
>
> Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Value Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

He said it was gold. Probably "champagne" considering the vintage. Pretty 
common color for the time.

Dan

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> On May 10, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Depends on the color too, which you omitted..
> 
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Send it to Clay, he'll get $10k for it... ;)
>> -Curt
>> 
>>  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Dan Penoff 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 1:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Value Question
>> 
>> Donald,
>> 
>> Hope all is well with you and yours.
>> 
>> With what little information you've given, based on what I have seen
>> around my area a similarly equipped and described car would probably be in
>> the $5,000-$8,000 range, I would guess.
>> 
>> Lots and lots of variables in there, so this is probably a swag at best.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
 On May 10, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Guys.  Long time no post.  Sorry, I have just been swamped with
>> work, opening my new office, etc.
>>> 
>>> One of my wife's relatives had a 1983 380SL.  He recently died and my
>> stepdaughter has been asked to store the car.  She asked me what it is
>> worth because they are going to sell it.  The odometer says roughly 70,000
>> but it stopped.  They don't know when it stopped.  The runs great.  They
>> described it as a 7 out 10 in terms of condition.  The only issue is minor
>> fading of the paint on the trunk.  They have the hard top as well as the
>> soft top.  It is gold and has no rust, seats are in good shape, etc.  Given
>> the fact that the mileage is unknown what is a reasonable value for this


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Re: [MBZ] Value Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Donald,

Where is it located? Maybe someone could go take a look at it?

Dan

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> On May 10, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey Guys.  Long time no post.   Sorry, I have just been swamped with work, 
> opening my new office, etc.
> 
> One of my wife's relatives had a 1983 380SL.  He recently died and my 
> stepdaughter has been asked to store the car.  She asked me what it is worth 
> because they are going to sell it.   The odometer says roughly 70,000 but it 
> stopped.  They don't know when it stopped.   The runs great.  They described 
> it as a 7 out 10 in terms of condition.  The only issue is minor fading of 
> the paint on the trunk.   They have the hard top as well as the soft top.  It 
> is gold and has no rust, seats are in good shape, etc.   Given the fact that 
> the mileage is unknown what is a reasonable value for this car in good to 
> very good condition, but with unknown mileage?
> 
> She sent me some pictures.
> 
> Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Value Question

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Hahaha

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> On May 10, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Send it to Clay, he'll get $10k for it... ;)
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 1:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Value Question
> 
> Donald,
> 
> Hope all is well with you and yours.
> 
> With what little information you've given, based on what I have seen around 
> my area a similarly equipped and described car would probably be in the 
> $5,000-$8,000 range, I would guess.
> 
> Lots and lots of variables in there, so this is probably a swag at best.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On May 10, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Guys.  Long time no post.  Sorry, I have just been swamped with work, 
>> opening my new office, etc.
>> 
>> One of my wife's relatives had a 1983 380SL.  He recently died and my 
>> stepdaughter has been asked to store the car.  She asked me what it is worth 
>> because they are going to sell it.  The odometer says roughly 70,000 but it 
>> stopped.  They don't know when it stopped.  The runs great.  They described 
>> it as a 7 out 10 in terms of condition.  The only issue is minor fading of 
>> the paint on the trunk.  They have the hard top as well as the soft top.  It 
>> is gold and has no rust, seats are in good shape, etc.  Given the fact that 
>> the mileage is unknown what is a reasonable value for this car in good to 
>> very good condition, but with unknown mileage?
>> 
>> She sent me some pictures.
>> 
>> Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Value Question

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Depends on the color too, which you omitted..

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Send it to Clay, he'll get $10k for it... ;)
> -Curt
>
>   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 1:02 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Value Question
>
> Donald,
>
> Hope all is well with you and yours.
>
> With what little information you've given, based on what I have seen
> around my area a similarly equipped and described car would probably be in
> the $5,000-$8,000 range, I would guess.
>
> Lots and lots of variables in there, so this is probably a swag at best.
>
> Dan
>
> > On May 10, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Guys.  Long time no post.  Sorry, I have just been swamped with
> work, opening my new office, etc.
> >
> > One of my wife's relatives had a 1983 380SL.  He recently died and my
> stepdaughter has been asked to store the car.  She asked me what it is
> worth because they are going to sell it.  The odometer says roughly 70,000
> but it stopped.  They don't know when it stopped.  The runs great.  They
> described it as a 7 out 10 in terms of condition.  The only issue is minor
> fading of the paint on the trunk.  They have the hard top as well as the
> soft top.  It is gold and has no rust, seats are in good shape, etc.  Given
> the fact that the mileage is unknown what is a reasonable value for this
> car in good to very good condition, but with unknown mileage?
> >
> > She sent me some pictures.
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
Squads we won't get anywhere.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
> life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever. Those
> people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
> In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic light
> changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
> granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
> happen than when they do.
> -Curt
>
>   From: G Mann 
>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
>
> On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were
> caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered
> compound fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder joint...
> brittle bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and
> fierce independence, in both cases.
>
> One had full coverage insurance... the other something less .. both were
> refused treatment by doctors.. other than to stabilize the arm. Reasons
> given did not match the injuries in either case... the underlying tone,
> however was, "my medical malpractice insurance won't let me touch this
> case" 
>
> That's what we have litigated ourselves into, folks...
>
> As my Father often said, "You can't legislate common sense."
> [The wisdom of 11 terms in House of Representatives.]
>
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> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, absolutely yes!
> Malpractice lawyers mean that doctors and hospitals absolutely can't admit
> their mistakes so they have to come up with convoluted systems to "prevent
> mistakes" which generally make things worse.
> We have to learn to admit that the body is fantastically complicated and
> sometimes things happen. Are some medical errors preventable? Sure. If
> granny goes in for surgery at 95 years old and dies its probably not
> because of a preventable error and the family shouldn't get any money for
> it. Actually the doc that should get in trouble is the one that put her in
> surgery in the first place.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:25 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
>
> Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading cause of
> death is medical errors.
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > But I repeat myself...
> >
> > --R
> >
> > On 5/10/16 12:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> Southern Redneck Crackers
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - now spouting off

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

A big problem is when the family brings sick granny to the hospital for 
whatever her ailment is.  Granny doesn't know, doesn't care, has no 
idea...  In many cases she is not going to get "better" no matter what 
the docs could do for her.  But the family wants "everything" done and 
Medicare will pay for it, so no issue there (for them). She might 
improve for a little while, if she survives the treatments which could 
be debilitating in and of themselves, but it is not going to be long 
before the inevitable occurs.  The family (and often one very vocal 
member) will not hear of any rationality, like a living will, DNR, 
appointing a POA, etc. and want granny to live longer based on medical 
science.  Quality of life is not a consideration, except for the family 
member(s) who want to believe they have "done everything."  So torture 
granny for awhile instead of just keeping her comfortable...


And it is up to the docs to deal with that mess.

I don't know about the broken bones for old folks, seems like arms might 
not be a big deal, but their ability to deal with anesthesia and such is 
high risk, and healing is very slow if it even happens. My auntie, who 
is probably 90 now, has had a broken foot bone for maybe 4 years, 
despite good medical care to deal with it, and in otherwise not bad 
health, she just can't heal.


--BB

On 5/10/16 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of life so 
far too many people think granny is going to live forever. Those people sue 
their doc when granny dies and thus...
In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic light 
changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like granny 
dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T happen than 
when they do.
-Curt

   From: G Mann 
  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 

  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered compound fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder joint... brittle bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and fierce independence, in both cases.


One had full coverage insurance... the other something less .. both were refused 
treatment by doctors.. other than to stabilize the arm. Reasons given did not match the 
injuries in either case... the underlying tone, however was, "my medical malpractice 
insurance won't let me touch this case" 

That's what we have litigated ourselves into, folks...

As my Father often said, "You can't legislate common sense."
[The wisdom of 11 terms in House of Representatives.]


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On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Yes, absolutely yes!
Malpractice lawyers mean that doctors and hospitals absolutely can't admit their mistakes 
so they have to come up with convoluted systems to "prevent mistakes" which 
generally make things worse.
We have to learn to admit that the body is fantastically complicated and 
sometimes things happen. Are some medical errors preventable? Sure. If granny 
goes in for surgery at 95 years old and dies its probably not because of a 
preventable error and the family shouldn't get any money for it. Actually the 
doc that should get in trouble is the one that put her in surgery in the first 
place.
-Curt

   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading cause of
death is medical errors.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


But I repeat myself...

--R

On 5/10/16 12:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:


Southern Redneck Crackers


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Re: [MBZ] Value Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Donald,

Hope all is well with you and yours.

With what little information you've given, based on what I have seen around my 
area a similarly equipped and described car would probably be in the 
$5,000-$8,000 range, I would guess.

Lots and lots of variables in there, so this is probably a swag at best.

Dan

> On May 10, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey Guys.  Long time no post.   Sorry, I have just been swamped with work, 
> opening my new office, etc.
> 
> One of my wife's relatives had a 1983 380SL.  He recently died and my 
> stepdaughter has been asked to store the car.  She asked me what it is worth 
> because they are going to sell it.   The odometer says roughly 70,000 but it 
> stopped.  They don't know when it stopped.   The runs great.  They described 
> it as a 7 out 10 in terms of condition.  The only issue is minor fading of 
> the paint on the trunk.   They have the hard top as well as the soft top.  It 
> is gold and has no rust, seats are in good shape, etc.   Given the fact that 
> the mileage is unknown what is a reasonable value for this car in good to 
> very good condition, but with unknown mileage?
> 
> She sent me some pictures.
> 
> Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Value Question

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Send it to Clay, he'll get $10k for it... ;)
-Curt

  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Dan Penoff 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Value Question
   
Donald,

Hope all is well with you and yours.

With what little information you've given, based on what I have seen around my 
area a similarly equipped and described car would probably be in the 
$5,000-$8,000 range, I would guess.

Lots and lots of variables in there, so this is probably a swag at best.

Dan

> On May 10, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey Guys.  Long time no post.  Sorry, I have just been swamped with work, 
> opening my new office, etc.
> 
> One of my wife's relatives had a 1983 380SL.  He recently died and my 
> stepdaughter has been asked to store the car.  She asked me what it is worth 
> because they are going to sell it.  The odometer says roughly 70,000 but it 
> stopped.  They don't know when it stopped.  The runs great.  They described 
> it as a 7 out 10 in terms of condition.  The only issue is minor fading of 
> the paint on the trunk.  They have the hard top as well as the soft top.  It 
> is gold and has no rust, seats are in good shape, etc.  Given the fact that 
> the mileage is unknown what is a reasonable value for this car in good to 
> very good condition, but with unknown mileage?
> 
> She sent me some pictures.
> 
> Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Value Question

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

About 3k

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 10, 2016, at 11:52 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey Guys.  Long time no post.   Sorry, I have just been swamped with work, 
> opening my new office, etc.
> 
> One of my wife's relatives had a 1983 380SL.  He recently died and my 
> stepdaughter has been asked to store the car.  She asked me what it is worth 
> because they are going to sell it.   The odometer says roughly 70,000 but it 
> stopped.  They don't know when it stopped.   The runs great.  They described 
> it as a 7 out 10 in terms of condition.  The only issue is minor fading of 
> the paint on the trunk.   They have the hard top as well as the soft top.  It 
> is gold and has no rust, seats are in good shape, etc.   Given the fact that 
> the mileage is unknown what is a reasonable value for this car in good to 
> very good condition, but with unknown mileage?
> 
> She sent me some pictures.
> 
> Don Snook
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[MBZ] Value Question

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Hey Guys.  Long time no post.   Sorry, I have just been swamped with work, 
opening my new office, etc.

One of my wife's relatives had a 1983 380SL.  He recently died and my 
stepdaughter has been asked to store the car.  She asked me what it is worth 
because they are going to sell it.   The odometer says roughly 70,000 but it 
stopped.  They don't know when it stopped.   The runs great.  They described it 
as a 7 out 10 in terms of condition.  The only issue is minor fading of the 
paint on the trunk.   They have the hard top as well as the soft top.  It is 
gold and has no rust, seats are in good shape, etc.   Given the fact that the 
mileage is unknown what is a reasonable value for this car in good to very good 
condition, but with unknown mileage?

She sent me some pictures.

Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of life so 
far too many people think granny is going to live forever. Those people sue 
their doc when granny dies and thus...
In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic light 
changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like granny 
dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T happen than 
when they do.
-Curt

  From: G Mann 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
   
On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were caring 
for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered compound 
fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder joint... brittle 
bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and fierce 
independence, in both cases.

One had full coverage insurance... the other something less .. both were 
refused treatment by doctors.. other than to stabilize the arm. Reasons given 
did not match the injuries in either case... the underlying tone, however was, 
"my medical malpractice insurance won't let me touch this case"  

That's what we have litigated ourselves into, folks... 

As my Father often said, "You can't legislate common sense." 
[The wisdom of 11 terms in House of Representatives.]


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On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Yes, absolutely yes!
Malpractice lawyers mean that doctors and hospitals absolutely can't admit 
their mistakes so they have to come up with convoluted systems to "prevent 
mistakes" which generally make things worse.
We have to learn to admit that the body is fantastically complicated and 
sometimes things happen. Are some medical errors preventable? Sure. If granny 
goes in for surgery at 95 years old and dies its probably not because of a 
preventable error and the family shouldn't get any money for it. Actually the 
doc that should get in trouble is the one that put her in surgery in the first 
place.
-Curt

      From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading cause of
death is medical errors.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> But I repeat myself...
>
> --R
>
> On 5/10/16 12:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Southern Redneck Crackers
>>
>
> --
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[G Mann via Mercedes]

On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were
caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered
compound fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder joint...
brittle bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and
fierce independence, in both cases.

One had full coverage insurance... the other something less .. both were
refused treatment by doctors.. other than to stabilize the arm. Reasons
given did not match the injuries in either case... the underlying tone,
however was, "my medical malpractice insurance won't let me touch this
case" 

That's what we have litigated ourselves into, folks...

As my Father often said, "You can't legislate common sense."
[The wisdom of 11 terms in House of Representatives.]


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On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes, absolutely yes!
> Malpractice lawyers mean that doctors and hospitals absolutely can't admit
> their mistakes so they have to come up with convoluted systems to "prevent
> mistakes" which generally make things worse.
> We have to learn to admit that the body is fantastically complicated and
> sometimes things happen. Are some medical errors preventable? Sure. If
> granny goes in for surgery at 95 years old and dies its probably not
> because of a preventable error and the family shouldn't get any money for
> it. Actually the doc that should get in trouble is the one that put her in
> surgery in the first place.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:25 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
>
> Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading cause of
> death is medical errors.
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > But I repeat myself...
> >
> > --R
> >
> > On 5/10/16 12:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> Southern Redneck Crackers
> >>
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 190-Series 2.5-16V Evolution II

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

It's not even a diesel!

Greg

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I used to see one of these around the old Houston 'hood.  Very cool car.

http://jalopnik.com/you-can-own-this-mercedes-190-2-5-16v-evolution-ii-for-1
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

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I'm pretty sure Stupid is a Compound, not an Element ... Just my
observation.

Even "Just plain stupid" isn't.


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> Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading cause of
> death is medical errors.
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > But I repeat myself...
> >
> > --R
> >
> > On 5/10/16 12:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
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> >> Southern Redneck Crackers
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yes, absolutely yes!
Malpractice lawyers mean that doctors and hospitals absolutely can't admit 
their mistakes so they have to come up with convoluted systems to "prevent 
mistakes" which generally make things worse.
We have to learn to admit that the body is fantastically complicated and 
sometimes things happen. Are some medical errors preventable? Sure. If granny 
goes in for surgery at 95 years old and dies its probably not because of a 
preventable error and the family shouldn't get any money for it. Actually the 
doc that should get in trouble is the one that put her in surgery in the first 
place.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
   
Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading cause of
death is medical errors.

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> But I repeat myself...
>
> --R
>
> On 5/10/16 12:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Southern Redneck Crackers
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 190-Series 2.5-16V Evolution II

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The price is absurd.

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> I used to see one of these around the old Houston 'hood.  Very cool car.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading cause of
death is medical errors.

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> But I repeat myself...
>
> --R
>
> On 5/10/16 12:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Southern Redneck Crackers
>>
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity and I'm 
not sure about hydrogen...
I forget who said it although its often mis-atributed to Mark Twain, still true 
none the less...
-Curt

  From: G Mann via Mercedes 
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Cc: G Mann 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
   
I respectfully submit that it is not just Southern Redneck Crackers who
make application to the Darwin Award Competitions In fact.. it seems to
have a universal appeal,,

"Stupid is apparently the most powerful force on the earth."


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> Sir, I must unrespectfully disagree.
>
> It's "Hey y'all ho mah beer n watchiss!"
>
> --BB
>
> On 5/10/16 11:55 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Product liability lawsuits are always filed for the amount of the product
>> liability insurance limit held by the "offending company" ... Why is that,
>> I wonder?
>>
>> Funny thing.. you buy more insurance, and you get sued more often... Why
>> is
>> that, I wonder?
>>
>> The hypothetical question comes: What if we just required a release of
>> liability upon purchase of a product that says.. If I use this product to
>> commit suicide by stupid you are held harmless
>>
>> Then.. The Darwin Awards would be still populated with people who did
>> really stupid things which caused their own death.. wouldn't they?
>>
>> "Here, hold my beer and watch this."
>>
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

But I repeat myself...

--R

On 5/10/16 12:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Southern Redneck Crackers


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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I respectfully submit that it is not just Southern Redneck Crackers who
make application to the Darwin Award Competitions In fact.. it seems to
have a universal appeal,,

"Stupid is apparently the most powerful force on the earth."


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> Sir, I must unrespectfully disagree.
>
> It's "Hey y'all ho mah beer n watchiss!"
>
> --BB
>
> On 5/10/16 11:55 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Product liability lawsuits are always filed for the amount of the product
>> liability insurance limit held by the "offending company" ... Why is that,
>> I wonder?
>>
>> Funny thing.. you buy more insurance, and you get sued more often... Why
>> is
>> that, I wonder?
>>
>> The hypothetical question comes: What if we just required a release of
>> liability upon purchase of a product that says.. If I use this product to
>> commit suicide by stupid you are held harmless
>>
>> Then.. The Darwin Awards would be still populated with people who did
>> really stupid things which caused their own death.. wouldn't they?
>>
>> "Here, hold my beer and watch this."
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Sir, I must unrespectfully disagree.

It's "Hey y'all ho mah beer n watchiss!"

--BB

On 5/10/16 11:55 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Product liability lawsuits are always filed for the amount of the product
liability insurance limit held by the "offending company" ... Why is that,
I wonder?

Funny thing.. you buy more insurance, and you get sued more often... Why is
that, I wonder?

The hypothetical question comes: What if we just required a release of
liability upon purchase of a product that says.. If I use this product to
commit suicide by stupid you are held harmless

Then.. The Darwin Awards would be still populated with people who did
really stupid things which caused their own death.. wouldn't they?

"Here, hold my beer and watch this."


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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Product liability lawsuits are always filed for the amount of the product
liability insurance limit held by the "offending company" ... Why is that,
I wonder?

Funny thing.. you buy more insurance, and you get sued more often... Why is
that, I wonder?

The hypothetical question comes: What if we just required a release of
liability upon purchase of a product that says.. If I use this product to
commit suicide by stupid you are held harmless

Then.. The Darwin Awards would be still populated with people who did
really stupid things which caused their own death.. wouldn't they?

"Here, hold my beer and watch this."


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On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 6:45 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> Paging Johnny Edwards...
>
> --R
>
> On 5/9/16 9:49 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> You're not taking into account the effect of the silver tongued shysters
>> on
>> the jury - - -
>>
>> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Wow, I'm sure Trump will fix that!
>>>
>>> Seriously, this is Exhibit A for What is Wrong With Our Legal System.
>>> What moronic jury would decide that the gas can must be at fault if it
>>> explodes when gas is poured on to a fire?  Hello, I'm pretty sure a
>>> reasonable man would decide that pouring gasoline on a fire is a Bad
>>> Idea,
>>> regardless of how fancy the gas can.
>>> --
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> '87 300TD
>>> '95 E300
>>>
>>> On May 9, 2016 4:56:01 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
 Ever wonder what happened to Blitz Cans?




>>> https://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma/2012/07/09/why-the-largest-maker-of-portable-gas-cans-is-going-out-of-business/
>>>
 Most of lawsuits against Blitz were brought by the same three lawyers,
 Marketplace reports.

 Lawsuits have accused the company of making faulty cans that explode
 when used to pour gasoline onto fires.



 

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[MBZ] Mercedes 190-Series 2.5-16V Evolution II

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I used to see one of these around the old Houston 'hood.  Very cool car.

http://jalopnik.com/you-can-own-this-mercedes-190-2-5-16v-evolution-ii-for-1775715137

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Re: [MBZ] W126 Console Wanted

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have a near permanently affixed smile from driving my W126. Had I ever 
envisioned how much pleasure I get from this car I don't think I would have 
ever considered buying/driving anything else.

And no, Kaleb, it's not for sale. You already have more than your personal 
quota of W126 diesels.

Dan "Klatta-Klatta"

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> On May 10, 2016, at 10:39 AM, WILTON via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 'Rather have a really nice 126 than my 211.
> 
> No, I'm not ready to trade, yet, and I'm not takin' $500 dollars for it.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "WILTON via Mercedes" 
> 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "WILTON" 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 10:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W126 Console Wanted
> 
> 
>> Yep, absolutely.
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Cc: "Buggered Benzmail" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 9:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W126 Console Wanted
>> 
>> 
>>> The 126 is outstanding in its field
>>> 
>>> --R
>>> 
 On 5/10/16 5:20 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 That would be great!  Thank you!
 
 Dan
 
 
> On May 9, 2016, at 9:09 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Dan, I may have a serviceable center console for you. The car has been 
> out in the field for a few years so I don't know the condition. I will 
> check tomorrow.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
> Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 10:43:19 -0400
> From: Dan Penoff 
> 
> 
> I may have posted this previously, but I'm looking for a nice center 
> console for a W126.
> 
> The stereo that's installed was done by someone with a Sawzall and they 
> literally carved out the supports for the radio and ash tray.
> 
> Gray or black preferred, but I can paint anything with vinyl paint so 
> color isn't critical as long as it's in good shape.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Console Wanted

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Rather have a really nice 126 than my 211.

No, I'm not ready to trade, yet, and I'm not takin' $500 dollars for it.

Wilton


- Original Message - 
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Cc: "WILTON" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W126 Console Wanted



Yep, absolutely.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "Buggered Benzmail" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W126 Console Wanted



The 126 is outstanding in its field

--R

On 5/10/16 5:20 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

That would be great!  Thank you!

Dan


On May 9, 2016, at 9:09 PM, MG via Mercedes  
wrote:




Dan, I may have a serviceable center console for you. The car has been 
out in the field for a few years so I don't know the condition. I will 
check tomorrow.


Manfred


Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 10:43:19 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 


I may have posted this previously, but I'm looking for a nice center 
console for a W126.


The stereo that's installed was done by someone with a Sawzall and they 
literally carved out the supports for the radio and ash tray.


Gray or black preferred, but I can paint anything with vinyl paint so 
color isn't critical as long as it's in good shape.


Thanks,

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] W126 Console Wanted

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, absolutely.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "Buggered Benzmail" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W126 Console Wanted



The 126 is outstanding in its field

--R

On 5/10/16 5:20 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

That would be great!  Thank you!

Dan


On May 9, 2016, at 9:09 PM, MG via Mercedes  
wrote:




Dan, I may have a serviceable center console for you. The car has been 
out in the field for a few years so I don't know the condition. I will 
check tomorrow.


Manfred


Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 10:43:19 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 


I may have posted this previously, but I'm looking for a nice center 
console for a W126.


The stereo that's installed was done by someone with a Sawzall and they 
literally carved out the supports for the radio and ash tray.


Gray or black preferred, but I can paint anything with vinyl paint so 
color isn't critical as long as it's in good shape.


Thanks,

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Paging Johnny Edwards...

--R

On 5/9/16 9:49 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

You're not taking into account the effect of the silver tongued shysters on
the jury - - -

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Wow, I'm sure Trump will fix that!

Seriously, this is Exhibit A for What is Wrong With Our Legal System.
What moronic jury would decide that the gas can must be at fault if it
explodes when gas is poured on to a fire?  Hello, I'm pretty sure a
reasonable man would decide that pouring gasoline on a fire is a Bad Idea,
regardless of how fancy the gas can.
--
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On May 9, 2016 4:56:01 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Ever wonder what happened to Blitz Cans?




https://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma/2012/07/09/why-the-largest-maker-of-portable-gas-cans-is-going-out-of-business/

Most of lawsuits against Blitz were brought by the same three lawyers,
Marketplace reports.

Lawsuits have accused the company of making faulty cans that explode
when used to pour gasoline onto fires.





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Re: [MBZ] OT - but so very funny

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Their punishment is really being dumb enough to get caught. Talk smack all you 
want but don't get caught...
-Curt

  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes List  
Cc: Dan Penoff 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 5:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - but so very funny
   
I read the article.  The servers apparently gave a half-hearted apology, the 
manager cut their hours, and they offered the diners $20 gift cards.

Lame.

Dan


> On May 9, 2016, at 11:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  > wrote:
> 
> I was wondering about that myself.  An apology is hardly adequate 
> compensation.
> 
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> I would hope the manager comped the meal and fired the servers.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> > On May 9, 2016, at 4:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I just had to share this from the Washington post.  Peter Chang is
> > supposedly THE best Chinese restaurant in the DC area, but their serves
> > could use some basic IT training.
> >
> > Servers trash customers in private note on check — then forget to delete it
> > By Tim Carman  > > May 9 at
> > 12:58 PM
> >  >  
> > >
> >
> > Four diners, three of them wearing plaid, were ready to enjoy a meal
> > Saturday night at Peter Chang in Arlington  > >,
> > the authentic Sichuan outpost opened by the Chinese embassy chef turned
> > serial restaurateur
> >  >  
> > >.
> > But the dinner took a left turn when the server brought out a family-style
> > bowl of rice.
> >
> > The offending check at Peter Chang in Arlington, courtesy of a diner.
> >
> > One of the diners, who had lived in Beijing for much in the 2000s, was
> > surprised by the rice presentation and made a comment to the server, saying
> > "'Oh, you guys don't serve them in individual rice bowls?'," related
> > another diner in the party, who asked to go by his first name,*Matt*.
> >
> > The server told the group that when rice is served to three or more diners
> > at Peter Chang, it comes in a large bowl. The former Beijing resident
> > thought that was odd, considering the family-sized portion ran counter to
> > the personalized bowls he encountered in China. The server then asked if
> > the foursome would like individual rice bowls instead. They declined.
> >
> > *[Peter Chang restaurant review: A master's cooking, times two
> >  >  
> > >]*
> >
> > "She said, 'No, no, I can bring it for you,'" Matt related. "He said, 'No,
> > no, don't worry about it. It's fine. Just wanted to let you know that's the
> > way it's done in China. It's not a big deal.' . . . It just got really
> > awkward."
> >
> > The diners thought that was the end of the episode until it came time to
> > pay. The group asked to split the check four ways, to which the
> > server apparently said, "That's totally how they do it in China."
> >
> > "I obviously had no idea what that meant, because I'm just a white guy from
> > Arlington," Matt said. "But my friend from China, he told us after she
> > left, 'In China, one person pays for it. That's not at all the way things
> > are done in China, so she's being sarcastic.' Then we saw the receipt."
> >
> > At the bottom of check were two comments, each obviously typed into the
> > system from the restaurant's point-of-sale, or POS, system. The first: "im
> > a plad a--." The other: "i have a small penis."
> >
> > The former comment, despite misspelling "plaid," was clearly a shot at the
> > diner's attire. The second, a cheap shot, period. The diners were not
> > amused and immediately summoned a manager. The manager, in turn, summoned
> > the server and another server who had apparently typed the comments into
> > the system. The manager apologized and explained the servers were just
> > joking with one another via the POS system. They meant to delete the
> > comments before presenting the check.
> > 

Re: [MBZ] W126 Console Wanted

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

The 126 is outstanding in its field

--R

On 5/10/16 5:20 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

That would be great!  Thank you!

Dan



On May 9, 2016, at 9:09 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:



Dan, I may have a serviceable center console for you. The car has been out in 
the field for a few years so I don't know the condition. I will check tomorrow.

Manfred


Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 10:43:19 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 


I may have posted this previously, but I'm looking for a nice center console 
for a W126.

The stereo that's installed was done by someone with a Sawzall and they 
literally carved out the supports for the radio and ash tray.

Gray or black preferred, but I can paint anything with vinyl paint so color 
isn't critical as long as it's in good shape.

Thanks,

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] W126 Console Wanted

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That would be great!  Thank you!

Dan


> On May 9, 2016, at 9:09 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Dan, I may have a serviceable center console for you. The car has been out in 
> the field for a few years so I don't know the condition. I will check 
> tomorrow.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
> Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 10:43:19 -0400
> From: Dan Penoff 
> 
> 
> I may have posted this previously, but I'm looking for a nice center console 
> for a W126.
> 
> The stereo that's installed was done by someone with a Sawzall and they 
> literally carved out the supports for the radio and ash tray.
> 
> Gray or black preferred, but I can paint anything with vinyl paint so color 
> isn't critical as long as it's in good shape.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - but so very funny

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I read the article.  The servers apparently gave a half-hearted apology, the 
manager cut their hours, and they offered the diners $20 gift cards.

Lame.

Dan


> On May 9, 2016, at 11:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  > wrote:
> 
> I was wondering about that myself.  An apology is hardly adequate 
> compensation.
> 
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> I would hope the manager comped the meal and fired the servers.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> > On May 9, 2016, at 4:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I just had to share this from the Washington post.  Peter Chang is
> > supposedly THE best Chinese restaurant in the DC area, but their serves
> > could use some basic IT training.
> >
> > Servers trash customers in private note on check — then forget to delete it
> > By Tim Carman  > > May 9 at
> > 12:58 PM
> >  >  
> > >
> >
> > Four diners, three of them wearing plaid, were ready to enjoy a meal
> > Saturday night at Peter Chang in Arlington  > >,
> > the authentic Sichuan outpost opened by the Chinese embassy chef turned
> > serial restaurateur
> >  >  
> > >.
> > But the dinner took a left turn when the server brought out a family-style
> > bowl of rice.
> >
> > The offending check at Peter Chang in Arlington, courtesy of a diner.
> >
> > One of the diners, who had lived in Beijing for much in the 2000s, was
> > surprised by the rice presentation and made a comment to the server, saying
> > "'Oh, you guys don't serve them in individual rice bowls?'," related
> > another diner in the party, who asked to go by his first name,*Matt*.
> >
> > The server told the group that when rice is served to three or more diners
> > at Peter Chang, it comes in a large bowl. The former Beijing resident
> > thought that was odd, considering the family-sized portion ran counter to
> > the personalized bowls he encountered in China. The server then asked if
> > the foursome would like individual rice bowls instead. They declined.
> >
> > *[Peter Chang restaurant review: A master's cooking, times two
> >  >  
> > >]*
> >
> > "She said, 'No, no, I can bring it for you,'" Matt related. "He said, 'No,
> > no, don't worry about it. It's fine. Just wanted to let you know that's the
> > way it's done in China. It's not a big deal.' . . . It just got really
> > awkward."
> >
> > The diners thought that was the end of the episode until it came time to
> > pay. The group asked to split the check four ways, to which the
> > server apparently said, "That's totally how they do it in China."
> >
> > "I obviously had no idea what that meant, because I'm just a white guy from
> > Arlington," Matt said. "But my friend from China, he told us after she
> > left, 'In China, one person pays for it. That's not at all the way things
> > are done in China, so she's being sarcastic.' Then we saw the receipt."
> >
> > At the bottom of check were two comments, each obviously typed into the
> > system from the restaurant's point-of-sale, or POS, system. The first: "im
> > a plad a--." The other: "i have a small penis."
> >
> > The former comment, despite misspelling "plaid," was clearly a shot at the
> > diner's attire. The second, a cheap shot, period. The diners were not
> > amused and immediately summoned a manager. The manager, in turn, summoned
> > the server and another server who had apparently typed the comments into
> > the system. The manager apologized and explained the servers were just
> > joking with one another via the POS system. They meant to delete the
> > comments before presenting the check.
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