Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

As I recall, FL discontinued auto safety inspections in 1981,

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> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:02 PM
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> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> 
> I’ve lived here for over 20 years, and the only inspections that were ever 
> done
> were for emissions, and those were only done around the Tampa area.
> 
> Indiana used to do inspections and it was a horrible system that was arbitrary
> and only really benefitted the shops that did it.  If I knew someone with a 
> shop
> or mechanic’s license I could pay them the fee and get my sticker without
> them ever seeing my car.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Feb 23, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > Yup.  That's why FL quit doing auto inspections.
> >
> >> -Original Message-
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> >> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:40 AM
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> >> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> >>
> >> How exactly does it keep dangerous vehicles off the road? I've never
> >> seen any evidence to support. There are many states with no vehicle
> >> inspection at all and their rate of vehicular tragedy isn't significantly
> higher...
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
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[MBZ] Red Car????

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

What is the red car in the photo? I don't recognise it.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Today's 400E Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Put the shelf battery in the car.  Couldn’t tell a difference, but system 
voltage is running at about 14.5 VDC, which is a good thing.

Drove it a bit now that it’s legal.  If it’s in LHM I could barely tell, as it 
had no problem accelerating and shifts were at the proper rpm/speed.

Still idling high and surging at no load.  ASR light is on still, too.

Ran my C3 on it and got all kinds of weirdness.  Communications failures, weird 
faults that don’t resurface despite not clearing anything, etc.  I’m wondering 
if I’ve got something going on in the diagnostic connector, as the C3 worked 
fine on the R129 and W210 wagon, so I know it’s not goofy.  There have been 
reports by other 400E and 500E owners about issues with corrosion in the 
diagnostic connector and all sorts of havoc it can wreak.

Got the O2 sensor replaced.  Wow, was that a pig.  Thank goodness for three 
days of Kroil soaking….

Tomorrow I’m going to work on getting the lower body cladding back on with the 
new clips I’ve got.  Not sure I have enough, but more are on their way.

-D




> On Feb 24, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like progress Dan. I wouldxsay to rule outvthe battery first. I 
> was,taught to always,look for the,simplest issue first.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Feb 24, 2018 3:20 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes"  > wrote:
> Started out adjusting the trunk snubbers I put on the other night so you 
> don’t have to slam the trunk lid to get it to latch.  Works nice now.
> 
> Adjusted the throttle linkage per spec to make sure all of that was in order.
> 
> Put a new mast on the antenna, although I’m a bit befuddled about the 
> antenna.  As long as it’s hooked up to the radio, it’s up regardless of what 
> the radio is doing or if the key or radio is on or not.  The only thing that 
> makes it retract is if you disconnect it at the radio, not the antenna.  
> Weird.  If anyone has any insight into what this might be, I’m all ears.
> 
> Ran a scan with the HHT emulator in the C3 and found the same codes, nothing 
> new.  Noticed something that might be important, however.  After running 
> several tests I started to lose connectivity with the various modules.  I 
> checked battery voltage and it was below 12V.  Hmm.  The battery that’s in 
> the car has full cells, but it’s marked as a “second” with no other 
> identifying markings.  No manufacturer, date, nothing.
> 
> I keep a spare Group 49 MB battery on the tender at all times, so I took it 
> off the tender and put the charger to it.  Within a couple of minutes it was 
> above 14V.  I’m going to drop it in later today and see what happens.  This 
> could be interesting, as so many things in these cars can go haywire with low 
> voltage.  If the battery is kaput it could be dragging the alternator down as 
> well.
> 
> Got the @#$% O2 sensor out.  Guess three days of Kroil soaking did the job.  
> That and a ratchet with a three foot cheater bar on it.  I dropped the 
> exhaust as far as I could by pulling all of the “O” rubbers off and let it 
> sit on a jackstand so it wouldn’t stress the pipes upstream.  That gave me a 
> lot more clearance to get at the sensor, not to mention I had a six point 
> socket that I could get on it with enough clearance to get a ratchet on.
> 
> Break time now and after I’m done I’ll go out and put the new O2 sensor in 
> and drop in the spare battery.
> 
> Wouldn’t it be a hoot if the only problem the car had was a bum battery?  I 
> would be pleased.
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Today's 400E Fun

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Sounds like progress Dan. I wouldxsay to rule outvthe battery first. I
was,taught to always,look for the,simplest issue first.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 24, 2018 3:20 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Started out adjusting the trunk snubbers I put on the other night so you
> don’t have to slam the trunk lid to get it to latch.  Works nice now.
>
> Adjusted the throttle linkage per spec to make sure all of that was in
> order.
>
> Put a new mast on the antenna, although I’m a bit befuddled about the
> antenna.  As long as it’s hooked up to the radio, it’s up regardless of
> what the radio is doing or if the key or radio is on or not.  The only
> thing that makes it retract is if you disconnect it at the radio, not the
> antenna.  Weird.  If anyone has any insight into what this might be, I’m
> all ears.
>
> Ran a scan with the HHT emulator in the C3 and found the same codes,
> nothing new.  Noticed something that might be important, however.  After
> running several tests I started to lose connectivity with the various
> modules.  I checked battery voltage and it was below 12V.  Hmm.  The
> battery that’s in the car has full cells, but it’s marked as a “second”
> with no other identifying markings.  No manufacturer, date, nothing.
>
> I keep a spare Group 49 MB battery on the tender at all times, so I took
> it off the tender and put the charger to it.  Within a couple of minutes it
> was above 14V.  I’m going to drop it in later today and see what happens.
> This could be interesting, as so many things in these cars can go haywire
> with low voltage.  If the battery is kaput it could be dragging the
> alternator down as well.
>
> Got the @#$% O2 sensor out.  Guess three days of Kroil soaking did the
> job.  That and a ratchet with a three foot cheater bar on it.  I dropped
> the exhaust as far as I could by pulling all of the “O” rubbers off and let
> it sit on a jackstand so it wouldn’t stress the pipes upstream.  That gave
> me a lot more clearance to get at the sensor, not to mention I had a six
> point socket that I could get on it with enough clearance to get a ratchet
> on.
>
> Break time now and after I’m done I’ll go out and put the new O2 sensor in
> and drop in the spare battery.
>
> Wouldn’t it be a hoot if the only problem the car had was a bum battery?
> I would be pleased.
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Curley wrote:
> >
> > The ONE solution I have not heard from the "ex-spurts" is the
> > obvious, and one of the best.  Disband the fed Dept of ed. ...
 
> Mountain wrote:
>
> Home school is similar to Made In USA - home school
> costs more $ and time, but the quality is better.

How do you figure that home school costs more money.  Clearly it
takes more time is it is DIY rather than "hiring" an "expert".

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Re: [MBZ] I now one a 124 cabriolet

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

It appears the rear suspension bushings are worse off than the driver's seat?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Hear Here!!!   +1   [Thumping a cane on the wood floor for emphasis.]


Mountain Man via Mercedes 
February 24, 2018 at 5:15 PM



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Re: [MBZ] I now one a 124 cabriolet

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

So can a bad battery that tests good.   Also,   insulation gone off the 
80 or so wires into the MAF will give you all kinds of problems


I can't believe you traded a good 240D for that clapped out POS.   The 
PO is a genius to pull that off.



Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
February 24, 2018 at 4:25 PM
Nice car!

Check fuel pump relay, at flaky relay can cause hard starts and 
intermittent power loss. So can a failing pump. I know, I've replaced 
both of them in the TE.


Peter


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[MBZ] early v. later R107 console carpet

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

I am trying to rebuild the center console on Frosch.  I had the original and 
one I pulled from an SLC in factory green with carpet.  Both had been butchered 
to stuff in aftermarket radios.  Both also had aged plastic that would crumble 
if you winked at it.  To be able to fit the Becker back in, I had to get one of 
the more modern consoles that require add on carpet panels.

I am using a template drawn from the new panels a buddy has.  I removed my 
green carpets so I could use them on the backing made off the templates.  The 
old school rugs are looking a bit too small.  Am I imagining this?  Has anybody 
done this job?  Green carpet is a NLA product from all the aftermarket 
suppliers, as well as MB itself.

At the moment  I am building up the re-enforcing structures on the back of the 
panels.


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Time to take it to Banned. They won't have any scientists there.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 24, 2018 6:20 PM, "Mountain Man via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> G wrote:
> > ...by a good scientist.
>
> HA HA!!  Good scientist? - nice humour.  What is science? - Another
> mechanism of indoctrination rather than a springboard of invention and
> innovation.  It takes a village.
> tin.man
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Re: [MBZ] OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

OK Don wrote:
> ...why should we care about the truth or facts, when we
> can make up ones we like better?

Excellent!!
Thank you bot OK Don and Randy.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

G wrote:
> ...by a good scientist.

HA HA!!  Good scientist? - nice humour.  What is science? - Another
mechanism of indoctrination rather than a springboard of invention and
innovation.  It takes a village.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curley wrote:
> The ONE solution I have not heard from the "ex-spurts" is the obvious, and
> one of the best.  Disband the fed Dept of ed. ...

We essentially disbanded the gov't pogrom, i.e. we did home school.
Home school is similar to Made In USA - home school costs more $ and
time, but the quality is better.
Ban Schools
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] I now one a 124 cabriolet

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I’m not sure what version these have. I do know the check engine light does not 
come on with the key so either the bulb is out or removed. I bet it’s got 
codes. I will look at it and see if the wiring harness has been done. That 
could be an issue as well. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 24, 2018, at 4:49 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A bad relay can result in intermittent pump operation and fluctuating fuel 
> pressure and delivery.  Does it have K-jet or LH-Jet injection?  If it's LH, 
> a bad air flow sensor will give you fits, also wiring issued can cause the 
> computer to act funny.
> 
> So can a bad vacuum line to the manifold pressure sensor on K-Jet.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I now one a 124 cabriolet

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

A bad relay can result in intermittent pump operation and fluctuating fuel 
pressure and delivery.  Does it have K-jet or LH-Jet injection?  If it's LH, a 
bad air flow sensor will give you fits, also wiring issued can cause the 
computer to act funny.

So can a bad vacuum line to the manifold pressure sensor on K-Jet.



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Re: [MBZ] I now one a 124 cabriolet

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Good catch Kaleb. Nice.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Stupid iPhone, own, not one. Geez.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 24, 2018, at 4:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
> wrote:
> >
> > Just got back from doing the trade deal trading the 240D for the cab.
> Will need to fix the top and eventually replace the top. Also need some
> other items sorted out. Guy said it recently would not start and he had it
> towed in and they didn’t find a problem. I do notice it does not have as
> much power as it should and when accelerating it will sort of surge and
> sometimes full power kicks in. Will hook up sds and see what comes up.
> Photos attached
> >
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] I now one a 124 cabriolet

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The guy had the fuel pump replaced. I think he said the only thing left that 
was not replaced was the relay. Would that explain low power? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 24, 2018, at 4:25 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nice car!
> 
> Check fuel pump relay, at flaky relay can cause hard starts and intermittent 
> power loss.  So can a failing pump.  I know, I've replaced both of them in 
> the TE.
> 
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] I now one a 124 cabriolet

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Nice car!

Check fuel pump relay, at flaky relay can cause hard starts and intermittent 
power loss.  So can a failing pump.  I know, I've replaced both of them in the 
TE.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

You are labeled a "denier" to associate you with holocaust deniers and thus to 
label you as a nazi or nazi sympathizer. When this type of verbiage is used in 
lieu of an argument based on facts and logic, you can be sure that the user 
doesn't believe that facts and logic will carry their case.

That's what turns a discussion about current events into an exercise of (the 
lowest form of) politics.

Greg

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Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:27 PM
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Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

I don't deny the climate is changing,I question who/what is causing it. Why is 
it okay to label me a denier and remove my right to skepticism?
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes wrote:   Dan, perhaps the climate deniers could 
take their show over to banned.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was 
> oversight on my part.
> ;))
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Go trump.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing 
> > > current
> > events as we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when 
> > politics enter the fray it’s time to shut it down.
> > >
> > > Please play nicely as you had been or put a sock on it.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
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Re: [MBZ] I now one a 124 cabriolet

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Stupid iPhone, own, not one. Geez.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 24, 2018, at 4:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> 
> Just got back from doing the trade deal trading the 240D for the cab. Will 
> need to fix the top and eventually replace the top. Also need some other 
> items sorted out. Guy said it recently would not start and he had it towed in 
> and they didn’t find a problem. I do notice it does not have as much power as 
> it should and when accelerating it will sort of surge and sometimes full 
> power kicks in. Will hook up sds and see what comes up.  Photos attached
> 
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I don't deny the climate is changing,I question who/what is causing it. Why is 
it okay to label me a denier and remove my right to skepticism?
Curt

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  On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
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take their show over to banned.

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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I don't deny the climate is changing,I question who/what is causing it. Why is 
it okay to label me a denier and remove my right to skepticism?
Curt

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Mercedes wrote:   Dan, perhaps the climate deniers could 
take their show over to banned.

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>
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> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing current
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> > enter the fray it’s time to shut it down.
> > >
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> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Someone needs this finnie

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Nice!If the flipper is a "Mercedes technician" why didn't he put in 
the new antenna?  that is a very easy job.  Maybe 15 minutes.


This car would be a great candidate to put in an OM60x Diesel, then you 
could nearly double the MPG.



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Graphite exterior with bright red interior. Stunning!

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Re: [MBZ] Today's 400E Fun

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

This sounds like quite an advanced project or, as my Greek-heritage math
prof would have said, "thees ees non treevial".

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Started out adjusting the trunk snubbers I put on the other night so you
> don’t have to slam the trunk lid to get it to latch.  Works nice now.
>
> Adjusted the throttle linkage per spec to make sure all of that was in
> order.
>
> Put a new mast on the antenna, although I’m a bit befuddled about the
> antenna.  As long as it’s hooked up to the radio, it’s up regardless of
> what the radio is doing or if the key or radio is on or not.  The only
> thing that makes it retract is if you disconnect it at the radio, not the
> antenna.  Weird.  If anyone has any insight into what this might be, I’m
> all ears.
>
> Ran a scan with the HHT emulator in the C3 and found the same codes,
> nothing new.  Noticed something that might be important, however.  After
> running several tests I started to lose connectivity with the various
> modules.  I checked battery voltage and it was below 12V.  Hmm.  The
> battery that’s in the car has full cells, but it’s marked as a “second”
> with no other identifying markings.  No manufacturer, date, nothing.
>
> I keep a spare Group 49 MB battery on the tender at all times, so I took
> it off the tender and put the charger to it.  Within a couple of minutes it
> was above 14V.  I’m going to drop it in later today and see what happens.
> This could be interesting, as so many things in these cars can go haywire
> with low voltage.  If the battery is kaput it could be dragging the
> alternator down as well.
>
> Got the @#$% O2 sensor out.  Guess three days of Kroil soaking did the
> job.  That and a ratchet with a three foot cheater bar on it.  I dropped
> the exhaust as far as I could by pulling all of the “O” rubbers off and let
> it sit on a jackstand so it wouldn’t stress the pipes upstream.  That gave
> me a lot more clearance to get at the sensor, not to mention I had a six
> point socket that I could get on it with enough clearance to get a ratchet
> on.
>
> Break time now and after I’m done I’ll go out and put the new O2 sensor in
> and drop in the spare battery.
>
> Wouldn’t it be a hoot if the only problem the car had was a bum battery?
> I would be pleased.
>
> -D
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[MBZ] Someone needs this finnie

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Graphite exterior with bright red interior.  Stunning!

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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Dan, perhaps the climate deniers could take their show over to banned.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was oversight
> on my part.
> ;))
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Go trump.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing current
> > events as we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when politics
> > enter the fray it’s time to shut it down.
> > >
> > > Please play nicely as you had been or put a sock on it.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The ONE solution I have not heard from the "ex-spurts" is the obvious, 
and one of the best.  Disband the fed Dept of ed., disband the state 
Dept of Ed., Disband the "consolidated" skool districts with their 
bloated administrations and superintendents, tear down the mega skools, 
return control to the counties and parents, and open small neighborhood 
skools.   People got FAR better education at the one or two, or even 4 
room schools that what is gained at the mega skool.   There can still be 
"Acadamies" between the one room school and the university for the 
"expensive" subjects, like sciences and Industrial Arts.   Most of the 
"academy" needs can be picked up the the community colleges, who already 
have the science and trade school facilities.


My grandmother went to the Denmark Academy after 8th grade in a one room 
school.   She could run circles around most of todays kolledge grads.



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[MBZ] Today's 400E Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Started out adjusting the trunk snubbers I put on the other night so you don’t 
have to slam the trunk lid to get it to latch.  Works nice now.

Adjusted the throttle linkage per spec to make sure all of that was in order.

Put a new mast on the antenna, although I’m a bit befuddled about the antenna.  
As long as it’s hooked up to the radio, it’s up regardless of what the radio is 
doing or if the key or radio is on or not.  The only thing that makes it 
retract is if you disconnect it at the radio, not the antenna.  Weird.  If 
anyone has any insight into what this might be, I’m all ears.

Ran a scan with the HHT emulator in the C3 and found the same codes, nothing 
new.  Noticed something that might be important, however.  After running 
several tests I started to lose connectivity with the various modules.  I 
checked battery voltage and it was below 12V.  Hmm.  The battery that’s in the 
car has full cells, but it’s marked as a “second” with no other identifying 
markings.  No manufacturer, date, nothing.

I keep a spare Group 49 MB battery on the tender at all times, so I took it off 
the tender and put the charger to it.  Within a couple of minutes it was above 
14V.  I’m going to drop it in later today and see what happens.  This could be 
interesting, as so many things in these cars can go haywire with low voltage.  
If the battery is kaput it could be dragging the alternator down as well.

Got the @#$% O2 sensor out.  Guess three days of Kroil soaking did the job.  
That and a ratchet with a three foot cheater bar on it.  I dropped the exhaust 
as far as I could by pulling all of the “O” rubbers off and let it sit on a 
jackstand so it wouldn’t stress the pipes upstream.  That gave me a lot more 
clearance to get at the sensor, not to mention I had a six point socket that I 
could get on it with enough clearance to get a ratchet on.

Break time now and after I’m done I’ll go out and put the new O2 sensor in and 
drop in the spare battery.

Wouldn’t it be a hoot if the only problem the car had was a bum battery?  I 
would be pleased.

-D
 
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Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

"Could the tragedy have been prevented?"Uh, yes   The FiBi was 
warned repeatedly, but was much more interested in covering their own 
asses related to the multiple felonies the high ups of the FiBIs, the 
DOJ, CCF, CCFF and DNC committed before and after the 2016 election.   
Then there was the totally incompetent Shire Riff of Broward County, and 
his incompetent "Deputies" who sat on their A$$e$ and did nothing while 
at the skool.   Then there is the skool system, who could have done 
more.   Worst of all are the parents who did not demand the skool be 
secured.


Ronald Reagan said it well:  "Gobermnt is not the solution [to 
problems]  Goobermnt IS the problem!"  Goobers working for the goobermnt 
are always in CYA mode.  They could  care less about what they were 
hired to do.  The 4 deputies at the skool are a case in point.  Nothing 
happenned until the police from the adjoining town arrived, and by then 
the doofus was gone, and sitting at McDonalds, while the depities were 
busy sitting outside watching the pimples grow on their butts.



Craig via Mercedes 
February 24, 2018 at 12:19 PM
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:17:04 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes


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Thu, 22 February 2018
Parkland Denials

All the standard words have been said and repeated across the media.
Politicians have all weighed in as well. But what is the truth about the
slayings in Parkland, Florida? Could the tragedy have been prevented and
can future attempts be stopped? Tune in for a conversation you won't hear
on cable news channels this week on The Public Square®.



Craig

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Curley McLain 
February 24, 2018 at 10:24 AM
I will call doctors and PAs.We all take calculated risks.  I am 
just pointing out that your chances of getting killed by a medico are 
almost 1000 times higher than that of being killed by a rifle of any 
kind.  In the insurance industry, a 1000 times less likely event is 
almost unheard of.  (Huge difference)  Our chances of being killed in 
a car are in the neighborhood of 100 times greater than that of being 
killed by a rifle.   and the chances of being killed by an "A  R   1 
   5 "  are significantly less than that of being killed by a generic 
rifle.


I will also stand tor your right to keep and bear arms as established 
by the Second amendment as a means to prevent tyrants from staying in 
power.   I have not taken an oath to protect and defend the 
Constitution, as every congresscritter has, but I am more willing than 
the  great majority of that knacker lot to stand up and defend the 
Constitution.   For those who elect not to have a defensive weapon, 
there are friends and neighbors who will.  Many of them you would 
never suspect.


Remember, if there are no guns, another weapon will be used.  Bombs, 
cars, trucks, airplanes all have been used as weapons.   The weapon of 
choice for the ira, the PLA, and other towelheads is usually a bomb.   
If a bomb is not available, they will use a car or a truck or an 
airplane.





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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[G Mann via Mercedes]

My apology to anyone I have not yet offended. I assure you is was oversight
on my part.
;))

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Go trump.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing current
> events as we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when politics
> enter the fray it’s time to shut it down.
> >
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

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Go trump. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing current events 
> as we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when politics enter the 
> fray it’s time to shut it down.
> 
> Please play nicely as you had been or put a sock on it.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT you gotta love

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes - we hit the low 80's, I was running around in shorts and a t-shirt,
then two days later the high was 28° F.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 12:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When it’s 83F in late Feb and the short shorts come out
>
> --R
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*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] There are a lot of savvy collectors on this list

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Valiant? Really?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 24, 2018 1:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> "*13 Cool Classic Cars for a Collector on a Budget*":
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/classic-cars/13-cool-
> classic-cars-for-a-collector-on-a-budget/ss-BBJdGHb?li=BBnb7Kz#image=10
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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[OK Don via Mercedes]

"*13 Cool Classic Cars for a Collector on a Budget*":
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/classic-cars/13-cool-classic-cars-for-a-collector-on-a-budget/ss-BBJdGHb?li=BBnb7Kz#image=10

-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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[MBZ] OT you gotta love

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

When it’s 83F in late Feb and the short shorts come out

--R
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[MBZ] LIST MOM Re: OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

All right kids, let’s either stop or reign it in.  Discussing current events as 
we’ve been doing (nicely) is just fine, however, when politics enter the fray 
it’s time to shut it down.

Please play nicely as you had been or put a sock on it.

Thank you.

List Mom/Martha/-D


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Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:17:04 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Yes, the news (and our) focus should be on the killers, be they doctors,
> drunk drivers, or crazed teens, instead of the tool they used to kill.


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Thu, 22 February 2018
Parkland Denials

All the standard words have been said and repeated across the media.
Politicians have all weighed in as well. But what is the truth about the
slayings in Parkland, Florida? Could the tragedy have been prevented and
can future attempts be stopped? Tune in for a conversation you won't hear
on cable news channels this week on The Public Square®.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes, the news (and our) focus should be on the killers, be they doctors,
drunk drivers, or crazed teens, instead of the tool they used to kill.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 10:24 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I will call doctors and PAs.We all take calculated risks.  I am just
> pointing out that your chances of getting killed by a medico are almost
> 1000 times higher than that of being killed by a rifle of any kind.  In the
> insurance industry, a 1000 times less likely event is almost unheard of.
> (Huge difference)  Our chances of being killed in a car are in the
> neighborhood of 100 times greater than that of being killed by a rifle.
>  and the chances of being killed by an "A  R   15 "  are significantly
> less than that of being killed by a generic rifle.
>
> I will also stand tor your right to keep and bear arms as established by
> the Second amendment as a means to prevent tyrants from staying in power.
>  I have not taken an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, as every
> congresscritter has, but I am more willing than the  great majority of that
> knacker lot to stand up and defend the Constitution.   For those who elect
> not to have a defensive weapon, there are friends and neighbors who will.
> Many of them you would never suspect.
>
> Remember, if there are no guns, another weapon will be used.  Bombs, cars,
> trucks, airplanes all have been used as weapons.   The weapon of choice for
> the ira, the PLA, and other towelheads is usually a bomb.   If a bomb is
> not available, they will use a car or a truck or an airplane.
>
> ROGER HALE via Mercedes 
>> February 24, 2018 at 7:04 AM
>>
>> Curley, etal,
>>
>> If you read the study details online, the 250,000 is not an absolute
>> number but rather an "extrapolated" number. And those numbers are much like
>> polls and statistics. The medical field does have problems. The AMA does
>> not police bad doctors. The state licensing boards don't police bad nurses
>> and other professionals. And now we have PAs and other "less than full
>> doctors" treating patients as though they know and have been trained as
>> much as a full doctor. You can "ban doctors", but the next time you are
>> seriously sick, "who you gonna' call".
>>
>> Just another opinion...and you know what opinions are like, right?
>>
>> Best Wishes,
>>
>> Roger
>>
>> Roger Hale
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>> Monroe, Ga.
>> 770-267-0850
>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[OK Don via Mercedes]

As Randy pointed out in the "kill all the lawyers" thread, and trump has
made National Policy, why should we care about the truth or facts, when we
can make up ones we like better?

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:51 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> Are you aware that it is or recently was 40 degrees above normal in the
> Arctic right now? Just because you parrot a party line multiple times
> doesn't make it true. Check the facts before you mouth off about something
> you know nothing about.
>
> On Feb 23, 2018 11:53 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The sky is falling!The sky is falling
> >
> > The Global deep freeze has started.   "We all gonna die"  (Country Joe
> and
> > the Fish, Woodstock)
> >
> > The coming ice age has commenced.   If y'all send me money, we can save
> > the earf!
> >
> > https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a186974
> > 09/ross-ice-shelf-melting/
> >
> > Lemme know when you are ready to send money, and I'll let you know where
> > to send it!
> > I accept cash, checks, money order, Paypal, gold, silver, platinum, scrap
> > metal,  or wire transfer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > PS
> > BTW,  Popular science had "the coming Ice age" on their cover in 1971 or
> > so.
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for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Yes. It was a blistering -18. Of course, the current solar flare, one of
the largest and directed in the path of the earth, would be taken into
account, by a good scientist.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 10:51 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Are you aware that it is or recently was 40 degrees above normal in the
> Arctic right now? Just because you parrot a party line multiple times
> doesn't make it true. Check the facts before you mouth off about something
> you know nothing about.
>
> On Feb 23, 2018 11:53 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The sky is falling!The sky is falling
> >
> > The Global deep freeze has started.   "We all gonna die"  (Country Joe
> and
> > the Fish, Woodstock)
> >
> > The coming ice age has commenced.   If y'all send me money, we can save
> > the earf!
> >
> > https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a186974
> > 09/ross-ice-shelf-melting/
> >
> > Lemme know when you are ready to send money, and I'll let you know where
> > to send it!
> > I accept cash, checks, money order, Paypal, gold, silver, platinum, scrap
> > metal,  or wire transfer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > PS
> > BTW,  Popular science had "the coming Ice age" on their cover in 1971 or
> > so.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT a little truth for the albore crowd.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Are you aware that it is or recently was 40 degrees above normal in the
Arctic right now? Just because you parrot a party line multiple times
doesn't make it true. Check the facts before you mouth off about something
you know nothing about.

On Feb 23, 2018 11:53 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The sky is falling!The sky is falling
>
> The Global deep freeze has started.   "We all gonna die"  (Country Joe and
> the Fish, Woodstock)
>
> The coming ice age has commenced.   If y'all send me money, we can save
> the earf!
>
> https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a186974
> 09/ross-ice-shelf-melting/
>
> Lemme know when you are ready to send money, and I'll let you know where
> to send it!
> I accept cash, checks, money order, Paypal, gold, silver, platinum, scrap
> metal,  or wire transfer.
>
>
>
>
>
> PS
> BTW,  Popular science had "the coming Ice age" on their cover in 1971 or
> so.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Ban the cars

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If you I've been paying attention would have seen that I inserted OT for
this discussion. That's all. I'm flattered that you miss my input, so I
will try harder to come up with something to say that will outrage you.

On Feb 24, 2018 9:23 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That would be a first.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 23, 2018, at 11:12 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Andrew's cat got his tongue?
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> > '87 300TD
> > '95 E300
> >
> >> On February 23, 2018 11:31:30 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:38 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> 
>  I do have to suggest that those "studies" about prevented crimes
> >> use
>  numbers that were pulled from their asses.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> They would have to.  How do you definitively count a negative?
> >> Estimations
> >>> and anecdotes.  Still, as fecally-tainted as such numbers must
> >> necessarily
> >>> be, they've got to be _far_ more accurate than the zero that the
> >> grabbers
> >>> would have you believe.
> >>>
> >>> -- Jim
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I will call doctors and PAs.We all take calculated risks.  I am just 
pointing out that your chances of getting killed by a medico are almost 
1000 times higher than that of being killed by a rifle of any kind.  In 
the insurance industry, a 1000 times less likely event is almost unheard 
of.  (Huge difference)  Our chances of being killed in a car are in the 
neighborhood of 100 times greater than that of being killed by a rifle. 
  and the chances of being killed by an "A  R   15 "  are 
significantly less than that of being killed by a generic rifle.


I will also stand tor your right to keep and bear arms as established by 
the Second amendment as a means to prevent tyrants from staying in 
power.   I have not taken an oath to protect and defend the 
Constitution, as every congresscritter has, but I am more willing than 
the  great majority of that knacker lot to stand up and defend the 
Constitution.   For those who elect not to have a defensive weapon, 
there are friends and neighbors who will.  Many of them you would never 
suspect.


Remember, if there are no guns, another weapon will be used.  Bombs, 
cars, trucks, airplanes all have been used as weapons.   The weapon of 
choice for the ira, the PLA, and other towelheads is usually a bomb.   
If a bomb is not available, they will use a car or a truck or an airplane.



ROGER HALE via Mercedes 
February 24, 2018 at 7:04 AM
Curley, etal,

If you read the study details online, the 250,000 is not an absolute 
number but rather an "extrapolated" number. And those numbers are much 
like polls and statistics. The medical field does have problems. The 
AMA does not police bad doctors. The state licensing boards don't 
police bad nurses and other professionals. And now we have PAs and 
other "less than full doctors" treating patients as though they know 
and have been trained as much as a full doctor. You can "ban doctors", 
but the next time you are seriously sick, "who you gonna' call".


Just another opinion...and you know what opinions are like, right?

Best Wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] OT Ban the cars

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That would be a first.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 23, 2018, at 11:12 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Andrew's cat got his tongue?
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
>> On February 23, 2018 11:31:30 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:38 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
 
 I do have to suggest that those "studies" about prevented crimes
>> use
 numbers that were pulled from their asses.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> They would have to.  How do you definitively count a negative? 
>> Estimations
>>> and anecdotes.  Still, as fecally-tainted as such numbers must
>> necessarily
>>> be, they've got to be _far_ more accurate than the zero that the
>> grabbers
>>> would have you believe.
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Ban the cars

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Curley, etal,

  If you read the study details online, the 250,000 is not an absolute 
number but rather an "extrapolated" number.  And those numbers are much like 
polls and statistics.  The medical field does have problems.  The AMA does not 
police bad doctors.  The state licensing boards don't police bad nurses and 
other professionals.  And now we have PAs and other "less than full doctors" 
treating patients as though they know and have been trained as much as a full 
doctor.  You can "ban doctors", but the next time you are seriously sick, "who 
you gonna' call".

Just another opinion...and you know what opinions are like, right?

Best Wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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