Re: [MBZ] OT maybe Honda transmission fluid is magic

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

There's something to be said for using the correct fluids in vehicles.


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] OT maybe Honda transmission fluid is magic

Not expecting much, I decided I'd try changing the transmission fluid on
the Element that won't stay in gear. My alternative was to try selling
it as-is and probably getting little more than salvage value for it.

Last time I changed it, I used Castrol fluid that said "for Honda" on
the label.

Fluid was black when I drained it. Filled with genuine Honda fluid,
drove it around until it was warm. Drove better, but still dropped out
of gear a few times (it seems to just drop into neutral instead of
properly shifting to the next gear). Did the drain/fill again. Fluid was
again black. It was dark by then so I called it a night.

Today, drove it around the neighborhood for a while to warm it
up. Shifted perfectly. Drained the fluid again, was somewhat dark but
still transparent and red. Filled again, will drive it some more
tomorrow. I have enough fluid for one more drain/fill.

Not confident yet that this is a long term fix but so far it's looking
hopeful.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Should I let you know if I ever see another $15k RV-9A kit?
(still a pretty penny when you add in a new engine, prop, avionics...)

On 2020-09-25 21:45, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

I get projects done but they often take forever. So I am loathe to
undertake a plane build, as slow builders seem to take a decade to 
build
one. If I could take 6 months off work and focus on it, the idea might 
hold

much more appeal. This is sounding more like a win-win now that I think
about it...



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Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I get projects done but they often take forever. So I am loathe to
undertake a plane build, as slow builders seem to take a decade to build
one. If I could take 6 months off work and focus on it, the idea might hold
much more appeal. This is sounding more like a win-win now that I think
about it...

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 6:17 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I can imagine Karl putting a project plane together.
> I'm not sure I can imagine you bring your pilot's license up to date.
> Mitch.
>
> On 2020-09-25 21:05, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > My project days are pretty much over. I’m focused on the end run
> > towards retirement. Maybe then…
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[MBZ] OT maybe Honda transmission fluid is magic

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Not expecting much, I decided I'd try changing the transmission fluid on
the Element that won't stay in gear. My alternative was to try selling
it as-is and probably getting little more than salvage value for it.

Last time I changed it, I used Castrol fluid that said "for Honda" on
the label.

Fluid was black when I drained it. Filled with genuine Honda fluid,
drove it around until it was warm. Drove better, but still dropped out
of gear a few times (it seems to just drop into neutral instead of
properly shifting to the next gear). Did the drain/fill again. Fluid was
again black. It was dark by then so I called it a night.

Today, drove it around the neighborhood for a while to warm it
up. Shifted perfectly. Drained the fluid again, was somewhat dark but
still transparent and red. Filled again, will drive it some more
tomorrow. I have enough fluid for one more drain/fill.

Not confident yet that this is a long term fix but so far it's looking
hopeful.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Agreed. I used to do 100k a year for a few years. Even flying platinum
loses its appeal after awhile.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 6:20 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Heck, I don’t want to travel anywhere that I can’t sleep in my own bed at
> night.
>
> -D
>
> > On Sep 25, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes i experienced that time warp working in Hong Kong  & Taiwan. At this
> point in my life i don't want to travel anywhere where i can't get there by
> 300CD
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 4:52 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > I traveled to Asia a number of times each year. It was a total mind f*ck
> whenever I went because of the “loss” of a day going over. Worse than that,
> trying to interact with people back in the States was even worse, like “OK,
> it’s 12 noon here so it’s midnight last night at home.” That leaves a
> fairly small window of time to call home and not be disruptive, like at
> breakfast (yesterday’s dinner time) or dinner (same day’s breakfast time).
> >
> > However, coming back was even worse. If I came back from say Singapore,
> I would leave at 8:00 am local time and arrive back in Chicago 19 hours
> later at 2:00 PM the same day in the afternoon.
> >
> > Talk about messing up your mind. It certainly did.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > I went to Tokyo once and it was weird being a whole nuther day, it was
> the first day of spring when I was there so I don't know what time
> distortion it was, but it was 14hr ahead in Tokyo from Boston
> > >
> > > --FT
> > >
> > > On 9/25/20 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been
> running classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is
> figuring out when I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled the
> class for 9am JST on the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the instructor
> schedule has me teaching on the 29th.
> > >> It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the
> 28th...
> > >> I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for
> another class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for another
> class (earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
> > >> Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He
> probably isn't going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
> > >> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I can imagine Karl putting a project plane together.
I'm not sure I can imagine you bring your pilot's license up to date.
Mitch.

On 2020-09-25 21:05, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

My project days are pretty much over. I’m focused on the end run
towards retirement. Maybe then…


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Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yeah at this stage it is either build or fly - not both. The Tailwind is a
good XC plane but a Buttercup might be a good compromise and it meets LSA.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 6:04 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When you run out of Mercedes projects, you can always put together a
> Lancair, Van's RV, or Tailwind. I saw a LNC235 kit, the fuselage halves
> were joined but otherwise not much done, for $8k a couple of years ago.
> I had to tell myself "you don't have a GA pilot's license, and you have
> a terrible track record on finishing projects since you turned 40".
>
> Mitch.
>
> On 2020-09-25 20:38, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > A Luscombe will outrun a Sedan. But the Sedan carries four people.
> >
> > I joined a flying club with some Cessnas and whatnot, so no real need
> > to
> > buy anything just yet.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

My project days are pretty much over. I’m focused on the end run towards 
retirement. Maybe then…

-D

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 9:03 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> When you run out of Mercedes projects, you can always put together a Lancair, 
> Van's RV, or Tailwind. I saw a LNC235 kit, the fuselage halves were joined 
> but otherwise not much done, for $8k a couple of years ago. I had to tell 
> myself "you don't have a GA pilot's license, and you have a terrible track 
> record on finishing projects since you turned 40".
> 
> Mitch.
> 
> On 2020-09-25 20:38, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>> A Luscombe will outrun a Sedan. But the Sedan carries four people.
>> I joined a flying club with some Cessnas and whatnot, so no real need to
>> buy anything just yet.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

When you run out of Mercedes projects, you can always put together a 
Lancair, Van's RV, or Tailwind. I saw a LNC235 kit, the fuselage halves 
were joined but otherwise not much done, for $8k a couple of years ago. 
I had to tell myself "you don't have a GA pilot's license, and you have 
a terrible track record on finishing projects since you turned 40".


Mitch.

On 2020-09-25 20:38, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

A Luscombe will outrun a Sedan. But the Sedan carries four people.

I joined a flying club with some Cessnas and whatnot, so no real need 
to

buy anything just yet.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I just stick to direct flights when possible and spend as little time in the 
airport as I can. Flying still stinks. Can’t imagine what it’s like to be a 
road warrior this day in age.

-D

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 9:01 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I always added a day ahead of work to try to get my clock sorted a bit. I 
> flew BA to/from BOS-LHR a lot, had a gold card, usually biz or first, started 
> in the BA lounge to get ready...  the First/Concorde club at LHR was amazing 
> 
> I hate flying now, haven’t been on a plane in 3-4 years now. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I could never do that. On the way over I typically had to be functional and 
>> ready to work the next day. My flights usually put me in late in the day, so 
>> I would grab a light meal and try to sleep after staying awake on the plane 
>> all the way over. Our Medical Department issued sleeping pills (prescription 
>> strength stuff) and in the case of my return flights I usually had a good 
>> meal after takeoff, took a sleeping pill, and woke up in time for breakfast 
>> and landing shortly after.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yup, my last trip to the Philippines I went economy plus which included 
>>> access to the British Airways lounge in Logan. I drank a BUNCH of free BA 
>>> wine. Then had a couple more with dinner. Slept like a log most of the 
>>> flight, it was lovely.
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>  On Friday, September 25, 2020, 8:22:27 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via 
>>> Mercedes  wrote:  
>>> 
>>> Drinking helps. Anesthetize yourself for 8 or 10 hours then spend the last 
>>> hours eating 
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Yup. My Singapore route connected through Narita.
 
 Singapore to NAR - 7:00
 
 NAR to ORD (O’ Hare) - 12:00
 
 That’s a brutal, brutal day.
 
 When I would fly to Seoul I often flew from Detroit direct on Northwest. 
 That’s over 14 hours in the air non-stop. Even in business class that was 
 unpleasant. I can’t even begin to imagine what it’s like in coach.
 
 -D
 
> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Flying home from Tokyo direct to Boston the flight leaves at like 4:10pm 
> and arrives (13 hours later) at like 4:05pm the same day...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Friday, September 25, 2020, 4:52:01 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I traveled to Asia a number of times each year. It was a total mind f*ck 
> whenever I went because of the “loss” of a day going over. Worse than 
> that, trying to interact with people back in the States was even worse, 
> like “OK, it’s 12 noon here so it’s midnight last night at home.” That 
> leaves a fairly small window of time to call home and not be disruptive, 
> like at breakfast (yesterday’s dinner time) or dinner (same day’s 
> breakfast time).
> 
> However, coming back was even worse. If I came back from say Singapore, I 
> would leave at 8:00 am local time and arrive back in Chicago 19 hours 
> later at 2:00 PM the same day in the afternoon.
> 
> Talk about messing up your mind. It certainly did.
> 
> -D
> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I went to Tokyo once and it was weird being a whole nuther day, it was 
>> the first day of spring when I was there so I don't know what time 
>> distortion it was, but it was 14hr ahead in Tokyo from Boston
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> On 9/25/20 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been 
>>> running classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is 
>>> figuring out when I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled 
>>> the class for 9am JST on the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the 
>>> instructor schedule has me teaching on the 29th.
>>> It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the 
>>> 28th...
>>> I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for 
>>> another class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for 
>>> another class (earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
>>> Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably 
>>> isn't going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
>>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I always added a day ahead of work to try to get my clock sorted a bit. I flew 
BA to/from BOS-LHR a lot, had a gold card, usually biz or first, started in the 
BA lounge to get ready...  the First/Concorde club at LHR was amazing 

I hate flying now, haven’t been on a plane in 3-4 years now. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I could never do that. On the way over I typically had to be functional and 
> ready to work the next day. My flights usually put me in late in the day, so 
> I would grab a light meal and try to sleep after staying awake on the plane 
> all the way over. Our Medical Department issued sleeping pills (prescription 
> strength stuff) and in the case of my return flights I usually had a good 
> meal after takeoff, took a sleeping pill, and woke up in time for breakfast 
> and landing shortly after.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yup, my last trip to the Philippines I went economy plus which included 
>> access to the British Airways lounge in Logan. I drank a BUNCH of free BA 
>> wine. Then had a couple more with dinner. Slept like a log most of the 
>> flight, it was lovely.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   On Friday, September 25, 2020, 8:22:27 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via 
>> Mercedes  wrote:  
>> 
>> Drinking helps. Anesthetize yourself for 8 or 10 hours then spend the last 
>> hours eating 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yup. My Singapore route connected through Narita.
>>> 
>>> Singapore to NAR - 7:00
>>> 
>>> NAR to ORD (O’ Hare) - 12:00
>>> 
>>> That’s a brutal, brutal day.
>>> 
>>> When I would fly to Seoul I often flew from Detroit direct on Northwest. 
>>> That’s over 14 hours in the air non-stop. Even in business class that was 
>>> unpleasant. I can’t even begin to imagine what it’s like in coach.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
 
 Flying home from Tokyo direct to Boston the flight leaves at like 4:10pm 
 and arrives (13 hours later) at like 4:05pm the same day...
 
 -Curt
 
 On Friday, September 25, 2020, 4:52:01 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 
 I traveled to Asia a number of times each year. It was a total mind f*ck 
 whenever I went because of the “loss” of a day going over. Worse than 
 that, trying to interact with people back in the States was even worse, 
 like “OK, it’s 12 noon here so it’s midnight last night at home.” That 
 leaves a fairly small window of time to call home and not be disruptive, 
 like at breakfast (yesterday’s dinner time) or dinner (same day’s 
 breakfast time).
 
 However, coming back was even worse. If I came back from say Singapore, I 
 would leave at 8:00 am local time and arrive back in Chicago 19 hours 
 later at 2:00 PM the same day in the afternoon.
 
 Talk about messing up your mind. It certainly did.
 
 -D
 
>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> I went to Tokyo once and it was weird being a whole nuther day, it was 
> the first day of spring when I was there so I don't know what time 
> distortion it was, but it was 14hr ahead in Tokyo from Boston
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 9/25/20 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been 
>> running classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is 
>> figuring out when I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled 
>> the class for 9am JST on the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the 
>> instructor schedule has me teaching on the 29th.
>> It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the 
>> 28th...
>> I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for 
>> another class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for 
>> another class (earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
>> Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably 
>> isn't going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

An old guy who was the A mechanic at the FBO at the little country airport in 
Indiana my Dad flew out of years ago had what I believe was an UC-90, a tandem 
version that the military used. His name was “Smokey” and he always flew it to 
Florida for the winter with his girlfriend. I asked him one day how long it 
took him and he said, “Oh, 3-4 days with a tailwind.”

I thought he was joking.

-D

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:38 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A Luscombe will outrun a Sedan. But the Sedan carries four people.
> 
> I joined a flying club with some Cessnas and whatnot, so no real need to
> buy anything just yet.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 1:53 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Luscombe, doc, you need a Luscombe.
>> 
>> Something you can fly that will arrive after a car driven the same route.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, that's one part of the wing that will not need rebuilding at least.
>>> 
>>> More than one person has told me to buy a 180hp Stinson. That and Aeronca
>>> sedans.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 9:24 AM G Mann via Mercedes >> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Dying is not on my bucket list...tyvm... However, I have a long history
>> of
 cheating death.
 
 Wing spars on the 108 Stinsons are extruded aluminium and with holes in
>> the
 fabric or not, corrosion inspection is part of every annual inspection
>> for
 the wing spars Replacement new spars are not obtainable $$$.
 
 On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:00 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> If you fly home in it, what's the worst that can go wrong, you die
>> doing
> what you loved?
> 
> Mitch.
> 
> On 2020-09-25 11:51, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Ad neglected to mention the wing spar is wood. Imagine it is in great
>> shape
>> sitting out in the rain with holes in the fabric.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I could never do that. On the way over I typically had to be functional and 
ready to work the next day. My flights usually put me in late in the day, so I 
would grab a light meal and try to sleep after staying awake on the plane all 
the way over. Our Medical Department issued sleeping pills (prescription 
strength stuff) and in the case of my return flights I usually had a good meal 
after takeoff, took a sleeping pill, and woke up in time for breakfast and 
landing shortly after.

-D

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yup, my last trip to the Philippines I went economy plus which included 
> access to the British Airways lounge in Logan. I drank a BUNCH of free BA 
> wine. Then had a couple more with dinner. Slept like a log most of the 
> flight, it was lovely.
> -Curt
> 
>On Friday, September 25, 2020, 8:22:27 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via 
> Mercedes  wrote:  
> 
> Drinking helps. Anesthetize yourself for 8 or 10 hours then spend the last 
> hours eating 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yup. My Singapore route connected through Narita.
>> 
>> Singapore to NAR - 7:00
>> 
>> NAR to ORD (O’ Hare) - 12:00
>> 
>> That’s a brutal, brutal day.
>> 
>> When I would fly to Seoul I often flew from Detroit direct on Northwest. 
>> That’s over 14 hours in the air non-stop. Even in business class that was 
>> unpleasant. I can’t even begin to imagine what it’s like in coach.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Flying home from Tokyo direct to Boston the flight leaves at like 4:10pm 
>>> and arrives (13 hours later) at like 4:05pm the same day...
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Friday, September 25, 2020, 4:52:01 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I traveled to Asia a number of times each year. It was a total mind f*ck 
>>> whenever I went because of the “loss” of a day going over. Worse than that, 
>>> trying to interact with people back in the States was even worse, like “OK, 
>>> it’s 12 noon here so it’s midnight last night at home.” That leaves a 
>>> fairly small window of time to call home and not be disruptive, like at 
>>> breakfast (yesterday’s dinner time) or dinner (same day’s breakfast time).
>>> 
>>> However, coming back was even worse. If I came back from say Singapore, I 
>>> would leave at 8:00 am local time and arrive back in Chicago 19 hours later 
>>> at 2:00 PM the same day in the afternoon.
>>> 
>>> Talk about messing up your mind. It certainly did.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
 
 I went to Tokyo once and it was weird being a whole nuther day, it was the 
 first day of spring when I was there so I don't know what time distortion 
 it was, but it was 14hr ahead in Tokyo from Boston
 
 --FT
 
 On 9/25/20 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been 
> running classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is 
> figuring out when I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled 
> the class for 9am JST on the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the 
> instructor schedule has me teaching on the 29th.
> It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the 
> 28th...
> I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for 
> another class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for 
> another class (earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
> Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably 
> isn't going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

A Luscombe will outrun a Sedan. But the Sedan carries four people.

I joined a flying club with some Cessnas and whatnot, so no real need to
buy anything just yet.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 1:53 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Luscombe, doc, you need a Luscombe.
>
> Something you can fly that will arrive after a car driven the same route.
>
> -D
>
> > On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well, that's one part of the wing that will not need rebuilding at least.
> >
> > More than one person has told me to buy a 180hp Stinson. That and Aeronca
> > sedans.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 9:24 AM G Mann via Mercedes  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Dying is not on my bucket list...tyvm... However, I have a long history
> of
> >> cheating death.
> >>
> >> Wing spars on the 108 Stinsons are extruded aluminium and with holes in
> the
> >> fabric or not, corrosion inspection is part of every annual inspection
> for
> >> the wing spars Replacement new spars are not obtainable $$$.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:00 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> If you fly home in it, what's the worst that can go wrong, you die
> doing
> >>> what you loved?
> >>>
> >>> Mitch.
> >>>
> >>> On 2020-09-25 11:51, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>  Ad neglected to mention the wing spar is wood. Imagine it is in great
>  shape
>  sitting out in the rain with holes in the fabric.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Well, if things get bad over the next few weeks I’ll know. I’m going back up 
there the first week of November.

-D

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> From what I've read it could be even more desolate as flu season hits and if 
> there is a resurgence in COVID 19.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:17 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Just flew up to Indianapolis last week to see family. It was surreal.
> 
> The airports, even at what would normally be considered peak times (Sunday 
> afternoon) were empty. Wander through security leisurely. No stores or 
> restaurants open, other than sit-down ones, and those were all serving 
> everything with take-out materials.
> 
> Southwest requires middle seats to be empty, so the planes were no more than 
> 2/3 full. People actually got on and off in an orderly fashion, too.
> 
> Going back up in November, wondering if it will be the same.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > I haven't flown anywhere since the first week of February. Its a weird 
> > feeling.
> > We've figured out how to run classes online. In most cases its nearly as 
> > good as in-person although the students don't get any of the networking you 
> > get in-person. I don't get to learn about them either. A lot of my students 
> > I know their whole story, I've met kids and wives and even a couple 
> > mistresses...
> > -Curt
> > 
> >On Friday, September 25, 2020, 4:36:15 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via 
> > Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:  
> > 
> > I trust this is all being done on-line these days and you are not about 
> > to fly to Japan?
> > 
> > RB
> > 
> > On 25/09/2020 3:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been 
> >> running classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is 
> >> figuring out when I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled the 
> >> class for 9am JST on the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the instructor 
> >> schedule has me teaching on the 29th.
> >> It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the 
> >> 28th...
> >> I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for 
> >> another class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for 
> >> another class (earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
> >> Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably 
> >> isn't going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
> >> -Curt
> >> 
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Yup, my last trip to the Philippines I went economy plus which included access 
to the British Airways lounge in Logan. I drank a BUNCH of free BA wine. Then 
had a couple more with dinner. Slept like a log most of the flight, it was 
lovely.
-Curt

On Friday, September 25, 2020, 8:22:27 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 Drinking helps. Anesthetize yourself for 8 or 10 hours then spend the last 
hours eating 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yup. My Singapore route connected through Narita.
> 
> Singapore to NAR - 7:00
> 
> NAR to ORD (O’ Hare) - 12:00
> 
> That’s a brutal, brutal day.
> 
> When I would fly to Seoul I often flew from Detroit direct on Northwest. 
> That’s over 14 hours in the air non-stop. Even in business class that was 
> unpleasant. I can’t even begin to imagine what it’s like in coach.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> Flying home from Tokyo direct to Boston the flight leaves at like 4:10pm and 
>> arrives (13 hours later) at like 4:05pm the same day...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Friday, September 25, 2020, 4:52:01 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I traveled to Asia a number of times each year. It was a total mind f*ck 
>> whenever I went because of the “loss” of a day going over. Worse than that, 
>> trying to interact with people back in the States was even worse, like “OK, 
>> it’s 12 noon here so it’s midnight last night at home.” That leaves a fairly 
>> small window of time to call home and not be disruptive, like at breakfast 
>> (yesterday’s dinner time) or dinner (same day’s breakfast time).
>> 
>> However, coming back was even worse. If I came back from say Singapore, I 
>> would leave at 8:00 am local time and arrive back in Chicago 19 hours later 
>> at 2:00 PM the same day in the afternoon.
>> 
>> Talk about messing up your mind. It certainly did.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went to Tokyo once and it was weird being a whole nuther day, it was the 
>>> first day of spring when I was there so I don't know what time distortion 
>>> it was, but it was 14hr ahead in Tokyo from Boston
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> On 9/25/20 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been 
 running classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is 
 figuring out when I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled the 
 class for 9am JST on the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the instructor 
 schedule has me teaching on the 29th.
 It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the 
 28th...
 I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for 
 another class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for 
 another class (earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
 Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably 
 isn't going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
 -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Drinking helps. Anesthetize yourself for 8 or 10 hours then spend the last 
hours eating 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yup. My Singapore route connected through Narita.
> 
> Singapore to NAR - 7:00
> 
> NAR to ORD (O’ Hare) - 12:00
> 
> That’s a brutal, brutal day.
> 
> When I would fly to Seoul I often flew from Detroit direct on Northwest. 
> That’s over 14 hours in the air non-stop. Even in business class that was 
> unpleasant. I can’t even begin to imagine what it’s like in coach.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> Flying home from Tokyo direct to Boston the flight leaves at like 4:10pm and 
>> arrives (13 hours later) at like 4:05pm the same day...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Friday, September 25, 2020, 4:52:01 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I traveled to Asia a number of times each year. It was a total mind f*ck 
>> whenever I went because of the “loss” of a day going over. Worse than that, 
>> trying to interact with people back in the States was even worse, like “OK, 
>> it’s 12 noon here so it’s midnight last night at home.” That leaves a fairly 
>> small window of time to call home and not be disruptive, like at breakfast 
>> (yesterday’s dinner time) or dinner (same day’s breakfast time).
>> 
>> However, coming back was even worse. If I came back from say Singapore, I 
>> would leave at 8:00 am local time and arrive back in Chicago 19 hours later 
>> at 2:00 PM the same day in the afternoon.
>> 
>> Talk about messing up your mind. It certainly did.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went to Tokyo once and it was weird being a whole nuther day, it was the 
>>> first day of spring when I was there so I don't know what time distortion 
>>> it was, but it was 14hr ahead in Tokyo from Boston
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> On 9/25/20 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been 
 running classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is 
 figuring out when I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled the 
 class for 9am JST on the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the instructor 
 schedule has me teaching on the 29th.
 It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the 
 28th...
 I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for 
 another class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for 
 another class (earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
 Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably 
 isn't going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
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>From what I've read it could be even more desolate as flu season hits and
if there is a resurgence in COVID 19.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:17 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Just flew up to Indianapolis last week to see family. It was surreal.
>
> The airports, even at what would normally be considered peak times (Sunday
> afternoon) were empty. Wander through security leisurely. No stores or
> restaurants open, other than sit-down ones, and those were all serving
> everything with take-out materials.
>
> Southwest requires middle seats to be empty, so the planes were no more
> than 2/3 full. People actually got on and off in an orderly fashion, too.
>
> Going back up in November, wondering if it will be the same.
>
> -D
>
> > On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I haven't flown anywhere since the first week of February. Its a weird
> feeling.
> > We've figured out how to run classes online. In most cases its nearly as
> good as in-person although the students don't get any of the networking you
> get in-person. I don't get to learn about them either. A lot of my students
> I know their whole story, I've met kids and wives and even a couple
> mistresses...
> > -Curt
> >
> >On Friday, September 25, 2020, 4:36:15 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> > I trust this is all being done on-line these days and you are not about
> > to fly to Japan?
> >
> > RB
> >
> > On 25/09/2020 3:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been
> running classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is
> figuring out when I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled the
> class for 9am JST on the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the instructor
> schedule has me teaching on the 29th.
> >> It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the
> 28th...
> >> I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for
> another class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for another
> class (earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
> >> Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably
> isn't going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
> >> -Curt
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just flew up to Indianapolis last week to see family. It was surreal.

The airports, even at what would normally be considered peak times (Sunday 
afternoon) were empty. Wander through security leisurely. No stores or 
restaurants open, other than sit-down ones, and those were all serving 
everything with take-out materials.

Southwest requires middle seats to be empty, so the planes were no more than 
2/3 full. People actually got on and off in an orderly fashion, too.

Going back up in November, wondering if it will be the same.

-D

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I haven't flown anywhere since the first week of February. Its a weird 
> feeling.
> We've figured out how to run classes online. In most cases its nearly as good 
> as in-person although the students don't get any of the networking you get 
> in-person. I don't get to learn about them either. A lot of my students I 
> know their whole story, I've met kids and wives and even a couple 
> mistresses...
> -Curt
> 
>On Friday, September 25, 2020, 4:36:15 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I trust this is all being done on-line these days and you are not about 
> to fly to Japan?
> 
> RB
> 
> On 25/09/2020 3:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been running 
>> classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is figuring out 
>> when I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled the class for 9am 
>> JST on the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the instructor schedule has me 
>> teaching on the 29th.
>> It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the 28th...
>> I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for another 
>> class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for another class 
>> (earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
>> Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably 
>> isn't going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yup. My Singapore route connected through Narita.

Singapore to NAR - 7:00

NAR to ORD (O’ Hare) - 12:00

That’s a brutal, brutal day.

When I would fly to Seoul I often flew from Detroit direct on Northwest. That’s 
over 14 hours in the air non-stop. Even in business class that was unpleasant. 
I can’t even begin to imagine what it’s like in coach.

-D

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Flying home from Tokyo direct to Boston the flight leaves at like 4:10pm and 
> arrives (13 hours later) at like 4:05pm the same day...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Friday, September 25, 2020, 4:52:01 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I traveled to Asia a number of times each year. It was a total mind f*ck 
> whenever I went because of the “loss” of a day going over. Worse than that, 
> trying to interact with people back in the States was even worse, like “OK, 
> it’s 12 noon here so it’s midnight last night at home.” That leaves a fairly 
> small window of time to call home and not be disruptive, like at breakfast 
> (yesterday’s dinner time) or dinner (same day’s breakfast time).
> 
> However, coming back was even worse. If I came back from say Singapore, I 
> would leave at 8:00 am local time and arrive back in Chicago 19 hours later 
> at 2:00 PM the same day in the afternoon.
> 
> Talk about messing up your mind. It certainly did.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > I went to Tokyo once and it was weird being a whole nuther day, it was the 
> > first day of spring when I was there so I don't know what time distortion 
> > it was, but it was 14hr ahead in Tokyo from Boston
> > 
> > --FT
> > 
> > On 9/25/20 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been 
> >> running classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is 
> >> figuring out when I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled the 
> >> class for 9am JST on the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the instructor 
> >> schedule has me teaching on the 29th.
> >> It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the 
> >> 28th...
> >> I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for 
> >> another class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for 
> >> another class (earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
> >> Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably 
> >> isn't going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
> >> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I haven't flown anywhere since the first week of February. Its a weird feeling.
We've figured out how to run classes online. In most cases its nearly as good 
as in-person although the students don't get any of the networking you get 
in-person. I don't get to learn about them either. A lot of my students I know 
their whole story, I've met kids and wives and even a couple mistresses...
-Curt

On Friday, September 25, 2020, 4:36:15 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I trust this is all being done on-line these days and you are not about 
to fly to Japan?

RB

On 25/09/2020 3:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been running 
> classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is figuring out 
> when I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled the class for 9am 
> JST on the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the instructor schedule has me 
> teaching on the 29th.
> It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the 28th...
> I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for another 
> class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for another class 
> (earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
> Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably isn't 
> going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Flying home from Tokyo direct to Boston the flight leaves at like 4:10pm and 
arrives (13 hours later) at like 4:05pm the same day...
-Curt

On Friday, September 25, 2020, 4:52:01 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I traveled to Asia a number of times each year. It was a total mind f*ck 
whenever I went because of the “loss” of a day going over. Worse than that, 
trying to interact with people back in the States was even worse, like “OK, 
it’s 12 noon here so it’s midnight last night at home.” That leaves a fairly 
small window of time to call home and not be disruptive, like at breakfast 
(yesterday’s dinner time) or dinner (same day’s breakfast time).

However, coming back was even worse. If I came back from say Singapore, I would 
leave at 8:00 am local time and arrive back in Chicago 19 hours later at 2:00 
PM the same day in the afternoon.

Talk about messing up your mind. It certainly did.

-D

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I went to Tokyo once and it was weird being a whole nuther day, it was the 
> first day of spring when I was there so I don't know what time distortion it 
> was, but it was 14hr ahead in Tokyo from Boston
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 9/25/20 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been running 
>> classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is figuring out 
>> when I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled the class for 9am 
>> JST on the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the instructor schedule has me 
>> teaching on the 29th.
>> It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the 28th...
>> I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for another 
>> class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for another class 
>> (earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
>> Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably 
>> isn't going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Just a quick reminder that on any Unix-ey system you can get 'now' in any
well-known (TLA) timezone you like via:

MacPro3:~ jimc$ date
Fri Sep 25 16:50:02 PDT 2020
MacPro3:~ jimc$ TZ=JST date
Fri Sep 25 23:50:13 JST 2020

Or you can give it a date/time, and see that in a different timezone.  The 
necessary command-line
arguments differ among operating systems, though.  For Mac and Linux they 
definitely are different,
so see your own man pages to see exactly what to do.

This has been part of every Unix-type system for the last fifty years.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Heck, I don’t want to travel anywhere that I can’t sleep in my own bed at night.

-D

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Yes i experienced that time warp working in Hong Kong  & Taiwan. At this 
> point in my life i don't want to travel anywhere where i can't get there by 
> 300CD  
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 4:52 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  > wrote:
> I traveled to Asia a number of times each year. It was a total mind f*ck 
> whenever I went because of the “loss” of a day going over. Worse than that, 
> trying to interact with people back in the States was even worse, like “OK, 
> it’s 12 noon here so it’s midnight last night at home.” That leaves a fairly 
> small window of time to call home and not be disruptive, like at breakfast 
> (yesterday’s dinner time) or dinner (same day’s breakfast time).
> 
> However, coming back was even worse. If I came back from say Singapore, I 
> would leave at 8:00 am local time and arrive back in Chicago 19 hours later 
> at 2:00 PM the same day in the afternoon.
> 
> Talk about messing up your mind. It certainly did.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > I went to Tokyo once and it was weird being a whole nuther day, it was the 
> > first day of spring when I was there so I don't know what time distortion 
> > it was, but it was 14hr ahead in Tokyo from Boston
> > 
> > --FT
> > 
> > On 9/25/20 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been 
> >> running classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is 
> >> figuring out when I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled the 
> >> class for 9am JST on the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the instructor 
> >> schedule has me teaching on the 29th.
> >> It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the 
> >> 28th...
> >> I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for 
> >> another class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for 
> >> another class (earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
> >> Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably 
> >> isn't going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
> >> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes i experienced that time warp working in Hong Kong  & Taiwan. At this
point in my life i don't want to travel anywhere where i can't get there by
300CD

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 4:52 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I traveled to Asia a number of times each year. It was a total mind f*ck
> whenever I went because of the “loss” of a day going over. Worse than that,
> trying to interact with people back in the States was even worse, like “OK,
> it’s 12 noon here so it’s midnight last night at home.” That leaves a
> fairly small window of time to call home and not be disruptive, like at
> breakfast (yesterday’s dinner time) or dinner (same day’s breakfast time).
>
> However, coming back was even worse. If I came back from say Singapore, I
> would leave at 8:00 am local time and arrive back in Chicago 19 hours later
> at 2:00 PM the same day in the afternoon.
>
> Talk about messing up your mind. It certainly did.
>
> -D
>
> > On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I went to Tokyo once and it was weird being a whole nuther day, it was
> the first day of spring when I was there so I don't know what time
> distortion it was, but it was 14hr ahead in Tokyo from Boston
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 9/25/20 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been
> running classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is
> figuring out when I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled the
> class for 9am JST on the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the instructor
> schedule has me teaching on the 29th.
> >> It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the
> 28th...
> >> I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for
> another class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for another
> class (earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
> >> Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably
> isn't going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
> >> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Luscombe, doc, you need a Luscombe.

Something you can fly that will arrive after a car driven the same route.

-D

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, that's one part of the wing that will not need rebuilding at least.
> 
> More than one person has told me to buy a 180hp Stinson. That and Aeronca
> sedans.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 9:24 AM G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Dying is not on my bucket list...tyvm... However, I have a long history of
>> cheating death.
>> 
>> Wing spars on the 108 Stinsons are extruded aluminium and with holes in the
>> fabric or not, corrosion inspection is part of every annual inspection for
>> the wing spars Replacement new spars are not obtainable $$$.
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:00 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> If you fly home in it, what's the worst that can go wrong, you die doing
>>> what you loved?
>>> 
>>> Mitch.
>>> 
>>> On 2020-09-25 11:51, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
 Ad neglected to mention the wing spar is wood. Imagine it is in great
 shape
 sitting out in the rain with holes in the fabric.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I traveled to Asia a number of times each year. It was a total mind f*ck 
whenever I went because of the “loss” of a day going over. Worse than that, 
trying to interact with people back in the States was even worse, like “OK, 
it’s 12 noon here so it’s midnight last night at home.” That leaves a fairly 
small window of time to call home and not be disruptive, like at breakfast 
(yesterday’s dinner time) or dinner (same day’s breakfast time).

However, coming back was even worse. If I came back from say Singapore, I would 
leave at 8:00 am local time and arrive back in Chicago 19 hours later at 2:00 
PM the same day in the afternoon.

Talk about messing up your mind. It certainly did.

-D

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I went to Tokyo once and it was weird being a whole nuther day, it was the 
> first day of spring when I was there so I don't know what time distortion it 
> was, but it was 14hr ahead in Tokyo from Boston
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 9/25/20 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been running 
>> classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is figuring out 
>> when I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled the class for 9am 
>> JST on the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the instructor schedule has me 
>> teaching on the 29th.
>> It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the 28th...
>> I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for another 
>> class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for another class 
>> (earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
>> Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably 
>> isn't going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Well, that's one part of the wing that will not need rebuilding at least.

More than one person has told me to buy a 180hp Stinson. That and Aeronca
sedans.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 9:24 AM G Mann via Mercedes 
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> Dying is not on my bucket list...tyvm... However, I have a long history of
> cheating death.
>
> Wing spars on the 108 Stinsons are extruded aluminium and with holes in the
> fabric or not, corrosion inspection is part of every annual inspection for
> the wing spars Replacement new spars are not obtainable $$$.
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:00 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > If you fly home in it, what's the worst that can go wrong, you die doing
> > what you loved?
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
> > On 2020-09-25 11:51, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
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> > > shape
> > > sitting out in the rain with holes in the fabric.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I went to Tokyo once and it was weird being a whole nuther day, it was 
the first day of spring when I was there so I don't know what time 
distortion it was, but it was 14hr ahead in Tokyo from Boston


--FT

On 9/25/20 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been running 
classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is figuring out when 
I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled the class for 9am JST on 
the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the instructor schedule has me teaching on 
the 29th.
It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the 28th...
I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for another 
class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for another class 
(earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably isn't going 
to work on Friday" you'd be right!
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I trust this is all being done on-line these days and you are not about 
to fly to Japan?


RB

On 25/09/2020 3:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been running 
classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is figuring out when 
I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled the class for 9am JST on 
the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the instructor schedule has me teaching on 
the 29th.
It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the 28th...
I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for another 
class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for another class 
(earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably isn't going 
to work on Friday" you'd be right!
-Curt




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[MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been running 
classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is figuring out when 
I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled the class for 9am JST on 
the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the instructor schedule has me teaching on 
the 29th.
It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the 28th...
I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for another 
class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for another class 
(earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably isn't 
going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
-Curt
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[MBZ] The motor is built proof because of the year it was made in

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

\

1982 Mercedes-Benz 380 sl
$3,000
Vehicles 
Listed a day ago in Rutherfordton, NC 




   About This Vehicle…

Driven 140,000 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: Black
Fuel type: Gasoline


   Seller's description…

Beautiful - Rare - 1982 Mercedes-Benz Asking 1,800 Convertible Good 
condition Gas 140k miles has a nice paint job and inside is gorgeous The 
motor is built proof because of the year it was made in. Clean title 2nd 
owner



https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/968368080313945

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Re: [MBZ] Finny right in Poos’s ‘hood

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Very nice example.  Horizon blue??

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> I’d drive and enjoy.
>
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> >
> > Yeah, that's nice.  BAT flip or drive and enjoy.
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
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> >
> >> Go for it!
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Dying is not on my bucket list...tyvm... However, I have a long history of
cheating death.

Wing spars on the 108 Stinsons are extruded aluminium and with holes in the
fabric or not, corrosion inspection is part of every annual inspection for
the wing spars Replacement new spars are not obtainable $$$.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:00 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> If you fly home in it, what's the worst that can go wrong, you die doing
> what you loved?
>
> Mitch.
>
> On 2020-09-25 11:51, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Ad neglected to mention the wing spar is wood. Imagine it is in great
> > shape
> > sitting out in the rain with holes in the fabric.
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Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 25/09/2020 11:10 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
Flying into the north Pacific is considerably better than what I 
watched this month.
https://www.burkhead-green-kilgo.com/obituaries/Louis-J-Haley?obId=18419575#/obituaryInfo 




My condolences. Always hard to lose a loved one.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Flying into the north Pacific is considerably better than what I watched 
this month.

https://www.burkhead-green-kilgo.com/obituaries/Louis-J-Haley?obId=18419575#/obituaryInfo

On 2020-09-25 12:03, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

Aren't you a ray of sunshine this morning?



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Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Aren't you a ray of sunshine this morning?

RB


On 25/09/2020 11:00 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
If you fly home in it, what's the worst that can go wrong, you die 
doing what you loved?


Mitch.

On 2020-09-25 11:51, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
Ad neglected to mention the wing spar is wood. Imagine it is in great 
shape

sitting out in the rain with holes in the fabric.


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Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

If you fly home in it, what's the worst that can go wrong, you die doing 
what you loved?


Mitch.

On 2020-09-25 11:51, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
Ad neglected to mention the wing spar is wood. Imagine it is in great 
shape

sitting out in the rain with holes in the fabric.


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Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Ad neglected to mention the wing spar is wood. Imagine it is in great shape
sitting out in the rain with holes in the fabric.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 7:43 PM Clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> https://anchorage.craigslist.org/avo/d/stinson-108-3/7198233905.html
>
> Small dollars and should buff out easy.  Just some holes pecked in the
> wing by birds.
>
>
> clay
>
> “I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our
> history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this
> general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.”
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Re: [MBZ] Finny right in Poos’s ‘hood

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I’d drive and enjoy. 

Bob R

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> On Sep 25, 2020, at 6:21 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
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> 
> Yeah, that's nice.  BAT flip or drive and enjoy.
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
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> 
>> Go for it!
>> 
>> https://www.copart.com/lot/50307580/clean-title-1963-mercedes-benz-220s-fl-tampa-south
>> 
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[MBZ] Own this "road warrior" and fall in love with the power and grace that Mercedes Benz built into her

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

$3k car

https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/raleigh-super-nice-mercedes-clk500-coupe/7202305091.html

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Re: [MBZ] Finny right in Poos’s ‘hood

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Yeah, that's nice.  BAT flip or drive and enjoy.
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Sep 25, 2020 9:12:07 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes :

> Go for it!
> 
> https://www.copart.com/lot/50307580/clean-title-1963-mercedes-benz-220s-fl-tampa-south
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Re: [MBZ] Reasonable MOG and some crack

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Lotsa parts if you don’t loball 

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> On Sep 25, 2020, at 9:12 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That Mog 'matches' the crane/dump/winch Mog I bought, in price anyway.
> Would be a long slow drive back from Anchorage, that's for sure.  Not sure
> where the engine cover, hood, windshield, or steering wheel went.
> 
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[MBZ] Finny right in Poos’s ‘hood

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Go for it!

https://www.copart.com/lot/50307580/clean-title-1963-mercedes-benz-220s-fl-tampa-south

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Re: [MBZ] Reasonable MOG and some crack

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

That Mog 'matches' the crane/dump/winch Mog I bought, in price anyway.
Would be a long slow drive back from Anchorage, that's for sure.  Not sure
where the engine cover, hood, windshield, or steering wheel went.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Duct tape y’all. Take along a coupla rolls and yer good ta go

$14k For a mostly flyable airplane seems like a pretty good deal. 

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> On Sep 25, 2020, at 3:03 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Sure will Craig... I "really need" another project... hahah...
> I enjoyed my 108-2 Stinson... which I used as my 4x4 airplane to explore
> the desert... the -3 was the last of the line with more horsepower and more
> performance in takeoff and climb. Thus, the bucket list.
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:18 PM Craig via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 20:14:05 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Just happens a Stinson 108-3 is on my bucket list to replace the 108-2 I
>>> sold a few years ago..  I will be calling the owner for more details and
>>> info...
>>> Could be one of those events where I use a roll of 200 mph tape to
>>> close up the wing bird holes and fly it home.. or pull the wings and
>>> ship it depends on true condition of fabric... which is exactly
>>> what I've been looking for...
>>> Thanks for posting the link.
>> 
>> Keep us posted on your progress, Grant. This sounds interesting.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Reasonable MOG and some crack

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-09-24 21:27, Clay via Mercedes wrote:

https://anchorage.craigslist.org/cto/d/anchorage-mercedes-benz-450slc-50-open/7199862946.html

If it is real, it should be on BaT, not lingering on CL for $35k


It allegedly has an 026 VIN. So it's been renumbered or it's real.

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/107-026-registry.1593119/

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Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I really hope CA, WA, and OR secede.  Then the remaining states can declare war 
on the "West", occupy (probably without resistance) everything but some coastal 
enclaves and shut off the water and power to those blue anthills.  We won't be 
so lucky.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Max Dillon via Mercedes
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> Cc: Max Dillon 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by
> 2035.
> 
> Insanity.  Let the forests burn, releasing more carbon dioxide and other very
> toxic pollution in a week than all those cars in a year or more, and banish
> gasoline engines instead.  Ignore that your state is burning down around your
> ears, but find a boogey man that you can attack to signal your virtue.
> 
> So will all the firefighting equipment be battery powered, hydrogen powered,
> or use unicorn farts?  Maybe all the trees will be burned down by then, so no
> more firefighting equipment will be needed?
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Sep 24, 2020 7:50:52 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> :
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> > California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
> >
> > Gov. Gavin Newsom, who has made urgent calls this year for sweeping
> actions to curb carbon emissions as massive wildfires have devastated the
> West Coast, signed an order Wednesday aimed at helping to phase out
> combustion vehicles in the nation’s most populous state. The measure targets
> ending the sale of new gasoline- and diesel-powered passenger cars in
> California by 2035. The Democratic governor said transitioning to zero-
> emissions vehicles would significantly reduce the state’s greenhouse gas
> output, about half of which comes from transportation. Currently, less than
> 10% of all new vehicle sales in the state are electric. A leading auto-
> manufacturing lobbying group voiced support for expanding electric offerings
> but called for more consumer incentives and infrastructure investments to
> boost demand.
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Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Sure will Craig... I "really need" another project... hahah...
I enjoyed my 108-2 Stinson... which I used as my 4x4 airplane to explore
the desert... the -3 was the last of the line with more horsepower and more
performance in takeoff and climb. Thus, the bucket list.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:18 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 20:14:05 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Just happens a Stinson 108-3 is on my bucket list to replace the 108-2 I
> > sold a few years ago..  I will be calling the owner for more details and
> > info...
> > Could be one of those events where I use a roll of 200 mph tape to
> > close up the wing bird holes and fly it home.. or pull the wings and
> > ship it depends on true condition of fabric... which is exactly
> > what I've been looking for...
> > Thanks for posting the link.
>
> Keep us posted on your progress, Grant. This sounds interesting.
>
>
> Craig
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