Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment
Thanks. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of dan penoff.com via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 10:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: dan penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment Worked fine for me. You just take the cover off and the little "cap" that closes off the vent lifts off. I've had them on short runs where the dryer was on the exterior wall and one that was proabbly six feet long with the dryer on an interior wall. They are really great in cold climates because they seal off the duct quite well. No leakage of outside air into the house. -D From: Mercedes on behalf of Scott Ritchey via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 10:36 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Cc: Scott Ritchey Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment How does that work for lint cleaning? I have a 20 ft of metal duct from the dryer to the outside and run a Lint Eater through it periodically. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of dan penoff.com via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 9:27 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: dan penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment For what it’s worth, when I lived north of the Mason-Dixon Line I used a dryer vent that was made of plastic and shaped like a 90 degree elbow facing up with a cap of sorts that was lifted off by the pressure of the dryer blower. Like one of these: https://www.amazon.com/HEARTLAND-21000-Energy-Saving-Closure/dp/B9W3I4/ref=asc_df_B9W3I4/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=198100801330==g=2680509929569257030t===9030291=pla-318599266990=1 They’re durable, can be painted to match the exterior of the house, and securely seal the opening. Very important when you’ve got ambients well below zero - one of those little metal flaps just doesn’t do the job. -D Sent from my iPad On Dec 4, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Maybe but it's a short tube. The dryer is against an outside wall so it vents straight out the back and through the wall. Incidentally the noise from the fridge was getting worse, so I took the back panel off and it was pretty clearly the condensor fan that was making the noise. I removed the assembly holding the fan (one screw secures it). The thing is definitely built down to a price but at the same time it's very easy to get it out and replace it if it comes to that. I was able to get at the motor bearings and put a few drops of my favorite Lubriplate oil on them, then cleaned all the dust and grime off the fan blades. It's running silently for now, we'll see how long it lasts. Allan On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 7:31 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: I would suspect that your dryer vent tube might be perforated. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 5:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: May have figured out where the little f---ers are getting in. The dryer vent is missing one of the flaps that are supposed to close when the dryer isn't running. It's only a few inches above ground level. And I have caught several of them in traps set the laundry room. I picked up a new vent at Lowes, will install it tomorrow. On Thu, Dec 2, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Our house up north has terrible mouse issues, it's got a million little holes I need to fix, replacing the enclosed porch floor being job 1 next year. For this year I put a package of "Grandpa Gus" anti-mouse stuff in there. Each pouch is supposed to protect 50 square feet. The house got 9 pouches and I put one in the garage on the Farmall Super M. Dang mice ate the seat cover this year. Didn't bother it for 20 years and then this year they just gotta eat it... The grooming machines get pieces of cloth soaked in peppermint oil. It doesn't 100% repel them but helps a ton. We used to have terrible trouble with mice, now they're just an annoyance, a few poops here and there but no nests. -Curt On Thursday, December 2, 2021, 12:31:11 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Living in the country I fight an endless battle against mice invading the house. I am not sure where they get in but there must be an opening somewhere that I haven't discovered. I heard one the other night and set some traps, but caught nothing. Today the refrigerator was making a noise so I pulled it out to investigate. Seems like the condensor fan motor might have a bad bearing or at least a vibration. A couple of years ago we painted the kitchen, and I had come up one outlet cover short when it came to putting them all back on. So, I left the cover off the outlet behind the fridge, intending to pick up a new one, but then forgot about it. Hanging out of the outlet box was the mouse. Must have climbed the refrigerator power cord and stuck his head into the box, contacted the hot terminal, and zappo. Didn't trip the breaker though, as the fridge is still running. Wasn't sure of the shock risk so pulled the
Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment
Thanks. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of dan penoff.com via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 10:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: dan penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment Worked fine for me. You just take the cover off and the little "cap" that closes off the vent lifts off. I've had them on short runs where the dryer was on the exterior wall and one that was proabbly six feet long with the dryer on an interior wall. They are really great in cold climates because they seal off the duct quite well. No leakage of outside air into the house. -D From: Mercedes on behalf of Scott Ritchey via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 10:36 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Cc: Scott Ritchey Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment How does that work for lint cleaning? I have a 20 ft of metal duct from the dryer to the outside and run a Lint Eater through it periodically. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of dan penoff.com via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 9:27 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: dan penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment For what it’s worth, when I lived north of the Mason-Dixon Line I used a dryer vent that was made of plastic and shaped like a 90 degree elbow facing up with a cap of sorts that was lifted off by the pressure of the dryer blower. Like one of these: https://www.amazon.com/HEARTLAND-21000-Energy-Saving-Closure/dp/B9W3I4/ref=asc_df_B9W3I4/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=198100801330==g=2680509929569257030t===9030291=pla-318599266990=1 They’re durable, can be painted to match the exterior of the house, and securely seal the opening. Very important when you’ve got ambients well below zero - one of those little metal flaps just doesn’t do the job. -D Sent from my iPad On Dec 4, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Maybe but it's a short tube. The dryer is against an outside wall so it vents straight out the back and through the wall. Incidentally the noise from the fridge was getting worse, so I took the back panel off and it was pretty clearly the condensor fan that was making the noise. I removed the assembly holding the fan (one screw secures it). The thing is definitely built down to a price but at the same time it's very easy to get it out and replace it if it comes to that. I was able to get at the motor bearings and put a few drops of my favorite Lubriplate oil on them, then cleaned all the dust and grime off the fan blades. It's running silently for now, we'll see how long it lasts. Allan On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 7:31 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: I would suspect that your dryer vent tube might be perforated. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 5:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: May have figured out where the little f---ers are getting in. The dryer vent is missing one of the flaps that are supposed to close when the dryer isn't running. It's only a few inches above ground level. And I have caught several of them in traps set the laundry room. I picked up a new vent at Lowes, will install it tomorrow. On Thu, Dec 2, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Our house up north has terrible mouse issues, it's got a million little holes I need to fix, replacing the enclosed porch floor being job 1 next year. For this year I put a package of "Grandpa Gus" anti-mouse stuff in there. Each pouch is supposed to protect 50 square feet. The house got 9 pouches and I put one in the garage on the Farmall Super M. Dang mice ate the seat cover this year. Didn't bother it for 20 years and then this year they just gotta eat it... The grooming machines get pieces of cloth soaked in peppermint oil. It doesn't 100% repel them but helps a ton. We used to have terrible trouble with mice, now they're just an annoyance, a few poops here and there but no nests. -Curt On Thursday, December 2, 2021, 12:31:11 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Living in the country I fight an endless battle against mice invading the house. I am not sure where they get in but there must be an opening somewhere that I haven't discovered. I heard one the other night and set some traps, but caught nothing. Today the refrigerator was making a noise so I pulled it out to investigate. Seems like the condensor fan motor might have a bad bearing or at least a vibration. A couple of years ago we painted the kitchen, and I had come up one outlet cover short when it came to putting them all back on. So, I left the cover off the outlet behind the fridge, intending to pick up a new one, but then forgot about it. Hanging out of the outlet box was the mouse. Must have climbed the refrigerator power cord and stuck his head into the box, contacted the hot terminal, and zappo. Didn't trip the breaker though, as the fridge is still running. Wasn't sure of the shock risk so pulled the
Re: [MBZ] KC135 Trivia Was RE: OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
To visualize Dutch Roll, visualize driving your MBZ inside a big pipe, straight and level along the bottom.. Now push the steering wheel a little left (or right) and let go. The car will climb the left side (or right) of the pipe (experiencing yaw roll angle) until the car steers itself back to the bottom of the pipe. At this point, one of two things happen: either the oscillation damps out (each excursion smaller than one before) and the car converges on straight and lever (preferred result) or it shoots up the other side even more than before (divergent oscillation) so oscillation grows and continues. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Allan Streib Subject: Re: [MBZ] KC135 Trivia Was RE: OT - Reboot Your Aircraft I have only been close to getting airsick once, I was on some regional jet probably an Embraer, that seemed to be both yawing and rocking side-to-side at the same time (is this "dutch roll"?). It was slight, but persistent, and eventually I started feeling nauseated. Normal turbulence/rough air does not really bother me, but that smooth rocking yaw really started to get to me after a while. On Sun, Dec 5, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: > P3 Orion is the military version of the Lockheed Electra II, and the > C-130 Hercules is the high wing version (different fuselage, > essentially the same wing). > > It was designed as the "first class service" airplane when jets were > not reliable enough for passenger plane use, I think around 1952. I > think the Hercules went into service in 54, but I would be wrong. > > As a result of the expected competition for jet service, the Electra > was VERY powerful for the time, I think those turbo-props are 4000 shp > or so. It flew at 470 or 480 mph at 45,000 ft, although usual > operations were more like 20,000 I think due to fuel consumption. Not > a whole lot slower than the 707 or DC-8, neither of which were speed > demons. > > NOT the worlds most comfortable planes, they shook like hell and the > wings visibly "flapped" in flight, especially at low speed. Delta had > their first class cabin in the rear, it was the quietest part of the > plane. Only airplane I ever got close to getting airsick on. > > On the other hand, as CR Smith, the founder of American said, you had > to be an idiot to crash one. Barring mechancial failures, all you > ever had to do to get out of trouble was open the throttles and pull > up, it had tremendous power at low speeds due to the props. It is > possible to make a normal landing in one a full landing weight, then > open the throttles after touchdown and fly it off the runway. > > I suspect you could fly it almost like a Hercules in an emergency -- > hold the nose down on the runway just past V2 and pull back on the > stick -- the Herkybird will climb at 45 degrees at full take-off > weight doing that, probably need a shallower climb to keep from > slamming the tail on the runway on an Electra. > > P3s have some incredible on station air time, they are very fuel > efficient at submarine tracking speeds. > > Being replaced with 737 variants, I suspect mainly because the are all > getting very old with incredible hours on them and no new parts, the > Electra went out of service in the early 70s and I don't think > Lockheed made any past the late 60s/ > > On Dec 5, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: > >> I got to ride on a P3 once in college. A buddy of mine was in ROTC and there some sort of recruiting thing where the Navy was giving rides on a P3 so he signed us up. The pilots were a coupla hotshots, and we were the only others on board, so they put on a show for us. It was lots of fun, the airplane was very powerful and could do a lot. My buddy eventually became a fighter pilot and I lost track of him after a few years. >> >> --FT >> >> On 12/5/21 12:05 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: AFAIK only the B52 is the only older (1952) design still on duty. >>> The P3 Orion is based on the Lockheed L-188 Electra, I think they are still on duty? I don't know if that's older than the 707 but gotta be close. >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> -- >> --FT >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >
Re: [MBZ] OT: Home HVAC question
I'd check the other end of the thermostat cable where it attaches to the control board in the furnace. I did recently encounter a case with a high efficiency (condensing) gas furnace where a pressure sensor was out of tolerance; that fan would not run, even jumping red-green at the control board, but that furnace would not heat either. These new furnaces have a more complex start sequence and a fault can lock out the fan. There is probably a diagnostic light on the control board that might indicate a fault but that's not 100% either (the diagnostics failed too on my furnace with the bad sensor). In any case, recommend you find/download the installation manual if you don't have it. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 11:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Allan Streib Subject: [MBZ] OT: Home HVAC question Anyone know much about thermostat wiring? I got a new furnace last winter. Gas heat, with central AC. Heat and AC work fine. I wanted to use the "FAN" mode the other day and it does not work. There is a switch marked FAN / AUTO and with FAN selected the blower fan is supposed to be running but it does not. In AUTO mode everything works as it should.n Installer is a friend and he talked me through some troubleshooting via text messages. Wires appear to be properly connected at thermostat and furnace. I have 24VAC at the red wire. Green wire is supposed to bring the fan on. Tried jumping Red to Green at the thermostat and nothing happens. Discontinuity in the Green wire? But FAN mode worked on the old furnace/thermostat. Other ideas? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Home HVAC question
Anyone know much about thermostat wiring? I got a new furnace last winter. Gas heat, with central AC. Heat and AC work fine. I wanted to use the "FAN" mode the other day and it does not work. There is a switch marked FAN / AUTO and with FAN selected the blower fan is supposed to be running but it does not. In AUTO mode everything works as it should.n Installer is a friend and he talked me through some troubleshooting via text messages. Wires appear to be properly connected at thermostat and furnace. I have 24VAC at the red wire. Green wire is supposed to bring the fan on. Tried jumping Red to Green at the thermostat and nothing happens. Discontinuity in the Green wire? But FAN mode worked on the old furnace/thermostat. Other ideas? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] front right dry shaft broken - 2013 E250 - $5,200
Sorry, my typo in subject line. Yes E350. On Sun, Dec 5, 2021, at 11:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > E350. Very different - not a bluetec diesel. > > On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 11:27 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: >> How much does a new dry shaft cost? And why would it be broken? >> >> https://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/cto/d/portage-auto-for-sale/7416930601.html >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] front right dry shaft broken - 2013 E250 - $5,200
Cheap CV axles are about $130 at Rockauto. But do you want to buy a Mercedes from somebody who drove it into the ground and then didn't want to pay for a $400 repair? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] front right dry shaft broken - 2013 E250 - $5,200
E350. Very different - not a bluetec diesel. On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 11:27 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > How much does a new dry shaft cost? And why would it be broken? > > > https://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/cto/d/portage-auto-for-sale/7416930601.html > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Nutcracker powered by Paslode
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[MBZ] front right dry shaft broken - 2013 E250 - $5,200
How much does a new dry shaft cost? And why would it be broken? https://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/cto/d/portage-auto-for-sale/7416930601.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 300SD - 160k miles - $8,000
Was the W126 SD the first diesel with a double firewall? I imagine that makes the ride a bit quieter? Allan On Sun, Dec 5, 2021, at 3:18 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: > It's been a couple decades since I was there, but Benton Harbor used to > be the second most pimpy/cracky city in Michigan, after Detroit. > > On 2021-12-05 14:59, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: >> Crack price - - and pimp tires. >> >> https://swmi.craigslist.org/cto/d/benton-harbor-1984-mercedes-bens-300sd/7416830799.html > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes List
Hi Jerry. You subscribe at this link, but if you got locked out due to your email server bouncing list messages you'll have to get Kaleb to unlock you. http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 300SD - 160k miles - $8,000
It's been a couple decades since I was there, but Benton Harbor used to be the second most pimpy/cracky city in Michigan, after Detroit. On 2021-12-05 14:59, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Crack price - - and pimp tires. https://swmi.craigslist.org/cto/d/benton-harbor-1984-mercedes-bens-300sd/7416830799.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Mercedes List
Hi, I would like to get back on the Mercedes list. Thanks, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com 619 341 3574 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 2003 E320 - 191k miles - $2,500
Might be a good deal if not rusted. Looks fairly clean from limited pics. https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/d/orland-park-e320-mercedes-cylinder-year/7416715375.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1984 300SD - 160k miles - $8,000
Crack price - - and pimp tires. https://swmi.craigslist.org/cto/d/benton-harbor-1984-mercedes-bens-300sd/7416830799.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] KC135 Trivia Was RE: OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
I have only been close to getting airsick once, I was on some regional jet probably an Embraer, that seemed to be both yawing and rocking side-to-side at the same time (is this "dutch roll"?). It was slight, but persistent, and eventually I started feeling nauseated. Normal turbulence/rough air does not really bother me, but that smooth rocking yaw really started to get to me after a while. On Sun, Dec 5, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: > P3 Orion is the military version of the Lockheed Electra II, and the > C-130 Hercules is the high wing version (different fuselage, > essentially the same wing). > > It was designed as the "first class service" airplane when jets were > not reliable enough for passenger plane use, I think around 1952. I > think the Hercules went into service in 54, but I would be wrong. > > As a result of the expected competition for jet service, the Electra > was VERY powerful for the time, I think those turbo-props are 4000 shp > or so. It flew at 470 or 480 mph at 45,000 ft, although usual > operations were more like 20,000 I think due to fuel consumption. Not > a whole lot slower than the 707 or DC-8, neither of which were speed > demons. > > NOT the worlds most comfortable planes, they shook like hell and the > wings visibly "flapped" in flight, especially at low speed. Delta had > their first class cabin in the rear, it was the quietest part of the > plane. Only airplane I ever got close to getting airsick on. > > On the other hand, as CR Smith, the founder of American said, you had > to be an idiot to crash one. Barring mechancial failures, all you ever > had to do to get out of trouble was open the throttles and pull up, it > had tremendous power at low speeds due to the props. It is possible to > make a normal landing in one a full landing weight, then open the > throttles after touchdown and fly it off the runway. > > I suspect you could fly it almost like a Hercules in an emergency -- > hold the nose down on the runway just past V2 and pull back on the > stick -- the Herkybird will climb at 45 degrees at full take-off weight > doing that, probably need a shallower climb to keep from slamming the > tail on the runway on an Electra. > > P3s have some incredible on station air time, they are very fuel > efficient at submarine tracking speeds. > > Being replaced with 737 variants, I suspect mainly because the are all > getting very old with incredible hours on them and no new parts, the > Electra went out of service in the early 70s and I don't think Lockheed > made any past the late 60s/ > > On Dec 5, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: > >> I got to ride on a P3 once in college. A buddy of mine was in ROTC and >> there some sort of recruiting thing where the Navy was giving rides on a P3 >> so he signed us up. The pilots were a coupla hotshots, and we were the only >> others on board, so they put on a show for us. It was lots of fun, the >> airplane was very powerful and could do a lot. My buddy eventually became a >> fighter pilot and I lost track of him after a few years. >> >> --FT >> >> On 12/5/21 12:05 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: AFAIK only the B52 is the only older (1952) design still on duty. >>> The P3 Orion is based on the Lockheed L-188 Electra, I think they are still >>> on duty? I don't know if that's older than the 707 but gotta be close. >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> -- >> --FT >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment
When you live in WI and the ambient is -20F with a wind chill of -40F, you'll know if those louvers are closing or not when you go into the laundry room. We set the thermostat back to 50F when we went away for Thanksgiving our first year in the house, and when we returned the water lines on the washer had frozen and split open in an interior (laundry) room. That's why I went that route. It's also why we've always specified a floor drain in the laundry room in every house we've built. That foresight saved us from some serious water damage. -D From: Mercedes on behalf of Allan Streib via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Allan Streib Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment I've seen those, but the one I got has plastic louvers that look a bit like venetian blinds. They seem to close up pretty well, of course that may change when the lint starts building up. It only protrudes an inch or so from the house. On Sun, Dec 5, 2021, at 9:27 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > For what it’s worth, when I lived north of the Mason-Dixon Line I used > a dryer vent that was made of plastic and shaped like a 90 degree elbow > facing up with a cap of sorts that was lifted off by the pressure of > the dryer blower. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment
I've seen those, but the one I got has plastic louvers that look a bit like venetian blinds. They seem to close up pretty well, of course that may change when the lint starts building up. It only protrudes an inch or so from the house. On Sun, Dec 5, 2021, at 9:27 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > For what it’s worth, when I lived north of the Mason-Dixon Line I used > a dryer vent that was made of plastic and shaped like a 90 degree elbow > facing up with a cap of sorts that was lifted off by the pressure of > the dryer blower. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ML tars
Living in FL I found that UV can kill a set of tires in just a few years. Michelins were especially susceptible to this, which I experienced and later had confirmed by a tire guy who used to be a Michelin field rep. My cars are garaged, so it's not an issue, but if you park you car outside here you're likely to need a new set within 4-5 years due to the sidewalls cracking. -D From: Mercedes on behalf of OK Don via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: OK Don Subject: Re: [MBZ] ML tars Do the tires sit outside or in a garage? My 2013 F150 has the original tires, about 30K miles, and they look good. The truck owner's manual says to replace a 7 years regardless of miles/wear. It sits in the garage unless I'm driving it, which is not that often or far. I'm thinking one more year and I'll replace them. On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 9:06 AM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > My personal hard line date code replacement is 5 years. Regardless of miles > or tread. > After 5 years of age, the compounds start to fail and catastrophic failure > [at speed] is pre-ordained. > It is not a question of "IF" ... but "WHEN" and if "When" happens in > traffic, at 75 MPH... there are not enough bandaids in the med kit to stop > the bleeding that could happen.. > I buy insurance for the car... I buy new tires as insurance for myself. > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 5:46 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Ahh, ok that makes sense. I looked that up once and forgot the details > > since. > > > > I looked at some of the other tires in the fleet snd couldn’t find date > > codes. > > > > --FT > > Sent from iFōn > > > > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > > > wrote: > > > > > > IIRC, that is the 24th week of 2014, not that it matters. > > > > > >> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 6:10 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> So the date code on these Lizetti tires on the ML is 2414 which I > guess > > >> means either 2 or 4 of 2014. That tracks with the guy at the > distributor > > >> telling me they discontinued them 7yr ago. Tires look good though , > > lots of > > >> tread on them, I thought they were nearly new. H. > > >> > > >> I think I’ll get a cheap replacement from El Mercado de Wal for the > one > > >> that seems to be bad then think about a new set when Mr Budget says to > > do > > >> it. > > >> > > >> --FT > > >> Sent from iFōn > > >> ___ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > OK Don > > > > > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > > > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > > > > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > > Wernher > > > Von Braun > > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > > > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] KC135 Trivia Was RE: OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
P3 Orion is the military version of the Lockheed Electra II, and the C-130 Hercules is the high wing version (different fuselage, essentially the same wing). It was designed as the "first class service" airplane when jets were not reliable enough for passenger plane use, I think around 1952. I think the Hercules went into service in 54, but I would be wrong. As a result of the expected competition for jet service, the Electra was VERY powerful for the time, I think those turbo-props are 4000 shp or so. It flew at 470 or 480 mph at 45,000 ft, although usual operations were more like 20,000 I think due to fuel consumption. Not a whole lot slower than the 707 or DC-8, neither of which were speed demons. NOT the worlds most comfortable planes, they shook like hell and the wings visibly "flapped" in flight, especially at low speed. Delta had their first class cabin in the rear, it was the quietest part of the plane. Only airplane I ever got close to getting airsick on. On the other hand, as CR Smith, the founder of American said, you had to be an idiot to crash one. Barring mechancial failures, all you ever had to do to get out of trouble was open the throttles and pull up, it had tremendous power at low speeds due to the props. It is possible to make a normal landing in one a full landing weight, then open the throttles after touchdown and fly it off the runway. I suspect you could fly it almost like a Hercules in an emergency -- hold the nose down on the runway just past V2 and pull back on the stick -- the Herkybird will climb at 45 degrees at full take-off weight doing that, probably need a shallower climb to keep from slamming the tail on the runway on an Electra. P3s have some incredible on station air time, they are very fuel efficient at submarine tracking speeds. Being replaced with 737 variants, I suspect mainly because the are all getting very old with incredible hours on them and no new parts, the Electra went out of service in the early 70s and I don't think Lockheed made any past the late 60s/ On Dec 5, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: > I got to ride on a P3 once in college. A buddy of mine was in ROTC and there > some sort of recruiting thing where the Navy was giving rides on a P3 so he > signed us up. The pilots were a coupla hotshots, and we were the only others > on board, so they put on a show for us. It was lots of fun, the airplane was > very powerful and could do a lot. My buddy eventually became a fighter pilot > and I lost track of him after a few years. > > --FT > > On 12/5/21 12:05 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: >>> AFAIK only the B52 is the only older (1952) design still on duty. >> The P3 Orion is based on the Lockheed L-188 Electra, I think they are still >> on duty? I don't know if that's older than the 707 but gotta be close. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > -- > --FT > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] KC135 Trivia Was RE: OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
I do believe P3s are still in active duty. They were 10-15 years ago, I know. I used to see them all the time in AK and the Aleutians, as they were used for sub tracking in the north Pacific. -D From: Mercedes on behalf of Allan Streib via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 12:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Allan Streib Subject: Re: [MBZ] KC135 Trivia Was RE: OT - Reboot Your Aircraft > AFAIK only the B52 is the only older (1952) design still on duty. The P3 Orion is based on the Lockheed L-188 Electra, I think they are still on duty? I don't know if that's older than the 707 but gotta be close. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ML tars
Do the tires sit outside or in a garage? My 2013 F150 has the original tires, about 30K miles, and they look good. The truck owner's manual says to replace a 7 years regardless of miles/wear. It sits in the garage unless I'm driving it, which is not that often or far. I'm thinking one more year and I'll replace them. On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 9:06 AM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > My personal hard line date code replacement is 5 years. Regardless of miles > or tread. > After 5 years of age, the compounds start to fail and catastrophic failure > [at speed] is pre-ordained. > It is not a question of "IF" ... but "WHEN" and if "When" happens in > traffic, at 75 MPH... there are not enough bandaids in the med kit to stop > the bleeding that could happen.. > I buy insurance for the car... I buy new tires as insurance for myself. > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 5:46 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Ahh, ok that makes sense. I looked that up once and forgot the details > > since. > > > > I looked at some of the other tires in the fleet snd couldn’t find date > > codes. > > > > --FT > > Sent from iFōn > > > > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > > > wrote: > > > > > > IIRC, that is the 24th week of 2014, not that it matters. > > > > > >> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 6:10 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> So the date code on these Lizetti tires on the ML is 2414 which I > guess > > >> means either 2 or 4 of 2014. That tracks with the guy at the > distributor > > >> telling me they discontinued them 7yr ago. Tires look good though , > > lots of > > >> tread on them, I thought they were nearly new. H. > > >> > > >> I think I’ll get a cheap replacement from El Mercado de Wal for the > one > > >> that seems to be bad then think about a new set when Mr Budget says to > > do > > >> it. > > >> > > >> --FT > > >> Sent from iFōn > > >> ___ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > OK Don > > > > > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > > > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > > > > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > > Wernher > > > Von Braun > > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > > > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] KC135 Trivia Was RE: OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
I got to ride on a P3 once in college. A buddy of mine was in ROTC and there some sort of recruiting thing where the Navy was giving rides on a P3 so he signed us up. The pilots were a coupla hotshots, and we were the only others on board, so they put on a show for us. It was lots of fun, the airplane was very powerful and could do a lot. My buddy eventually became a fighter pilot and I lost track of him after a few years. --FT On 12/5/21 12:05 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: AFAIK only the B52 is the only older (1952) design still on duty. The P3 Orion is based on the Lockheed L-188 Electra, I think they are still on duty? I don't know if that's older than the 707 but gotta be close. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ML tars
My pickup (‘05 Dodge 2500 SLT 4X4 5.9 Cummins) that I got in trade with my pops has Michelin Defenders (265/70/17) on it, make date 4th week of 2016. The tires have only about 30K miles on them, 16K of which I’ve put on in the last year. They are wearing perfectly. Other that last summer, the tires have been in the midwest all their lives. Based on date alone (not wear), Michelin says on their website that their tires should last 10 years if well maintained. knowing that these tires haven’t lived in Arizona all their life I think I’ll feel comfortable wearing them out before I would want to place them because of date alone. AZBob. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 5, 2021, at 8:27 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > On 2021-12-05 10:05, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: >> My personal hard line date code replacement is 5 years. Regardless of miles >> or tread. > > My Saturn allegedly had new tires in 2015. > Mixed date codes 20-40 of 2014, so he probably bought them before winter of > 2015, but gave me the impression he'd bought them Spring/Summer. > > Being 7 years old is one reason they're not going back on the car in the > spring. > > I suspect tires sitting outdoors in Arizona go faster than tires which spend > 4 months of the year in a dark garage in Michigan. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] KC135 Trivia Was RE: OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
> AFAIK only the B52 is the only older (1952) design still on duty. The P3 Orion is based on the Lockheed L-188 Electra, I think they are still on duty? I don't know if that's older than the 707 but gotta be close. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] KC135 Trivia Was RE: OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
My personal experience with the KC135 ended in 1982. At that time they all still had the original engines. Dutch roll damping was terrible at approach speeds and there was no yaw damper (unlike 707s) but you could use the autopilot yaw channel momentarily to kill the roll oscillation (not the flight manual procedure). Dutch Roll is a coupling between yaw and roll, common with swept wings, for those that don't know. The most amazing thing was the crew emergency egress chute in the cockpit. There was a "chinning bar" that when pulled down jettisoned a hatch. You were supposed to hang from that bar facing aft with your legs tucked up and drop through the hatch (with parachute on, of course). The theory was that tucking knees to chest would prevent you from smacking into the chute when the slipstream hit your legs. I am not aware of any bailout attempts, successful or otherwise. Still an amazing airplane when you consider when the KC was designed. AFAIK only the B52 is the only older (1952) design still on duty. On December 5, 2021 9:16 AM, Peter Frederick wrote I thought they had finally replaced the engines, long, long overdue. Should make them much easier to fly a low speed, the original 707/KC135 was a handful with poor lateral stability and VERY low power at landing speeds. BOAC rejected the first version because it would not fly without full power on at least one engine on each side -- considering the history of jet engines at the time, and the fact that there was an extra hard point to carry a spare engine on each wing, it wasn't out of the realm of real possibility to have both fail on one side during flight. Turns out even the J57 or equivalent was a very reliable engine BOAC took them after a large ventral fin was added to the tail underneath and the rudder made substantially larger. I don't know if those mods were made to the KC135. Very soon after than they all got P$W turbofans too, which helped at low speed. J57 equipped KC135 or original 707 at full up weight required a 15,000 ft runway and water injection. Upgrading the engines would definitely reduce the takeoff run, probably by a lot. I wouldn't see that as a problem On Dec 5, 2021, at 12:01 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > No longer a factor. All surviving KC135s are reengined from the old J57 > turbojet to more modern fan engines with twice the thrust and 25-40% better > fuel specifics. > A classmate (with much KC time) once opined the better engines would only > force them to take off with more fuel from shorter runways. Back in the J57 > days it was typical to offload fuel before take off on hot days (while > taxiing to the runway). > The basic KC EWO mission was to proceed to the assigned orbit and pass gas > until they themselves flamed out or were recalled. > With care, the KC boom could tow an unpowered fighter, done several times in > SEA. > > On\, December 4, 2021 6:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote > > Good thing my high end hearing isn't good anyway then! Turbojets scream > something aweful! > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > >> You ain't heard nuthin 'til you are in the back of a KC135 during a wet >> (J57) takeoff. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Peter Frederick via Mercedes >> Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 6:37 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Cc: Peter Frederick >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft >> >> All the low bypass turbojets are noisy. I flew in a British one once, don't >> remember what it was, but it had two Rolls Conways in the back. Very noisy >> engines. >> >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> >>> When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying >>> 707s. I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall. >>> >>> -D >>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation, sadly it never sold as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well. > On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > > I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as > a member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private > travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of > these were used for international and long-haul domestic flights as well > as charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have > pictures of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s. > > My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with > them overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them > as well, they might have had more, I don’t
Re: [MBZ] Barn Find 1969 Mercedes 220 Diesel
If you have a mechanics stethoscope, use it to more clearly find the exact location of the noise. Place the probe on various locations at the engine accessories and you can hear the noise source. On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 8:50 AM G Mann wrote: > Having heard the engine running, I would pull the valve cover and check to > see if a valve adjuster didn't get locked down and backed out enough to > clack hard. The rhythm of the clack suggests to me it is a valve train > related noise... if not an adjuster, then, dig further to other things. > > On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 7:01 AM Peter Frederick via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Those are diaphragm type pumps run by a plunger, not a set of rollers. >> If you don't get the bolt right, they clank. >> >> >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 6:30 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: >> >> > Ah, yes. I forgot that. I did have to rebuild the vacuum pump on my >> 220D, >> > but I don't remember why. >> > >> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:43 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > >> >> These have manual shutoff, no vacuum. It could be the vacuum pump >> making >> >> noise. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 2:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I would have said pull the valve cover and look at the rocker arms >> until >> >>> you opened the fill cap and the sound didn't change. You had vacuum to >> >> kill >> >>> it, so not the vacuum pump. A rod??? >> >>> >> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:01 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Finally got it to run. Supposedly engine was rebuilt and within a >> short >> period of time, it started making noise. I see what they are talking >> >> about. >> Need to figure out if it’s serous or something simple. >> >> >> https://youtu.be/QcW1WPt2cek >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> OK Don >> >>> >> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to >> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain >> >>> >> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” >> >> Wernher >> >>> Von Braun >> >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >> >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg >> >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >> >>> ___ >> >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >>> >> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >>> >> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > OK Don >> > >> > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to >> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain >> > >> > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” >> Wernher >> > Von Braun >> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg >> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg >> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Barn Find 1969 Mercedes 220 Diesel
Having heard the engine running, I would pull the valve cover and check to see if a valve adjuster didn't get locked down and backed out enough to clack hard. The rhythm of the clack suggests to me it is a valve train related noise... if not an adjuster, then, dig further to other things. On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 7:01 AM Peter Frederick via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Those are diaphragm type pumps run by a plunger, not a set of rollers. If > you don't get the bolt right, they clank. > > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 6:30 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > > Ah, yes. I forgot that. I did have to rebuild the vacuum pump on my 220D, > > but I don't remember why. > > > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:43 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> These have manual shutoff, no vacuum. It could be the vacuum pump making > >> noise. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 2:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> I would have said pull the valve cover and look at the rocker arms > until > >>> you opened the fill cap and the sound didn't change. You had vacuum to > >> kill > >>> it, so not the vacuum pump. A rod??? > >>> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:01 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Finally got it to run. Supposedly engine was rebuilt and within a > short > period of time, it started making noise. I see what they are talking > >> about. > Need to figure out if it’s serous or something simple. > > > https://youtu.be/QcW1WPt2cek > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > >>> > >>> -- > >>> OK Don > >>> > >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain > >>> > >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > >> Wernher > >>> Von Braun > >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg > >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > > > -- > > OK Don > > > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > > Von Braun > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Because you can never have enough moose
Amazing. Domesticated mooses. While that looks cool, I'm not keen about being around a wild animal that's bigger than me. Like Sherlock Holmes said (in the movie) about horses: "They're dangerous at both ends and crafty in the middle. Why would I want anything with a mind of its own bobbing about between my legs?" -D From: Mercedes on behalf of G Mann via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 11:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: G Mann Subject: [MBZ] Because you can never have enough moose Discovered this, thought it should be shared. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UZpOvnAL_M ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment
Worked fine for me. You just take the cover off and the little "cap" that closes off the vent lifts off. I've had them on short runs where the dryer was on the exterior wall and one that was proabbly six feet long with the dryer on an interior wall. They are really great in cold climates because they seal off the duct quite well. No leakage of outside air into the house. -D From: Mercedes on behalf of Scott Ritchey via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 10:36 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Cc: Scott Ritchey Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment How does that work for lint cleaning? I have a 20 ft of metal duct from the dryer to the outside and run a Lint Eater through it periodically. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of dan penoff.com via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 9:27 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: dan penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment For what it’s worth, when I lived north of the Mason-Dixon Line I used a dryer vent that was made of plastic and shaped like a 90 degree elbow facing up with a cap of sorts that was lifted off by the pressure of the dryer blower. Like one of these: https://www.amazon.com/HEARTLAND-21000-Energy-Saving-Closure/dp/B9W3I4/ref=asc_df_B9W3I4/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=198100801330==g=2680509929569257030t===9030291=pla-318599266990=1 They’re durable, can be painted to match the exterior of the house, and securely seal the opening. Very important when you’ve got ambients well below zero - one of those little metal flaps just doesn’t do the job. -D Sent from my iPad On Dec 4, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Maybe but it's a short tube. The dryer is against an outside wall so it vents straight out the back and through the wall. Incidentally the noise from the fridge was getting worse, so I took the back panel off and it was pretty clearly the condensor fan that was making the noise. I removed the assembly holding the fan (one screw secures it). The thing is definitely built down to a price but at the same time it's very easy to get it out and replace it if it comes to that. I was able to get at the motor bearings and put a few drops of my favorite Lubriplate oil on them, then cleaned all the dust and grime off the fan blades. It's running silently for now, we'll see how long it lasts. Allan On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 7:31 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: I would suspect that your dryer vent tube might be perforated. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 5:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: May have figured out where the little f---ers are getting in. The dryer vent is missing one of the flaps that are supposed to close when the dryer isn't running. It's only a few inches above ground level. And I have caught several of them in traps set the laundry room. I picked up a new vent at Lowes, will install it tomorrow. On Thu, Dec 2, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Our house up north has terrible mouse issues, it's got a million little holes I need to fix, replacing the enclosed porch floor being job 1 next year. For this year I put a package of "Grandpa Gus" anti-mouse stuff in there. Each pouch is supposed to protect 50 square feet. The house got 9 pouches and I put one in the garage on the Farmall Super M. Dang mice ate the seat cover this year. Didn't bother it for 20 years and then this year they just gotta eat it... The grooming machines get pieces of cloth soaked in peppermint oil. It doesn't 100% repel them but helps a ton. We used to have terrible trouble with mice, now they're just an annoyance, a few poops here and there but no nests. -Curt On Thursday, December 2, 2021, 12:31:11 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Living in the country I fight an endless battle against mice invading the house. I am not sure where they get in but there must be an opening somewhere that I haven't discovered. I heard one the other night and set some traps, but caught nothing. Today the refrigerator was making a noise so I pulled it out to investigate. Seems like the condensor fan motor might have a bad bearing or at least a vibration. A couple of years ago we painted the kitchen, and I had come up one outlet cover short when it came to putting them all back on. So, I left the cover off the outlet behind the fridge, intending to pick up a new one, but then forgot about it. Hanging out of the outlet box was the mouse. Must have climbed the refrigerator power cord and stuck his head into the box, contacted the hot terminal, and zappo. Didn't trip the breaker though, as the fridge is still running. Wasn't sure of the shock risk so pulled the corpse out with electrician's pliers. I then gave it the usual final rites (threw it into the woods). Who knows how long it would have been hanging there if the fridge hadn't started getting noisy. Allan
Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment
How does that work for lint cleaning? I have a 20 ft of metal duct from the dryer to the outside and run a Lint Eater through it periodically. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of dan penoff.com via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 9:27 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: dan penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment For what it’s worth, when I lived north of the Mason-Dixon Line I used a dryer vent that was made of plastic and shaped like a 90 degree elbow facing up with a cap of sorts that was lifted off by the pressure of the dryer blower. Like one of these: https://www.amazon.com/HEARTLAND-21000-Energy-Saving-Closure/dp/B9W3I4/ref=asc_df_B9W3I4/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=198100801330==g=2680509929569257030t===9030291=pla-318599266990=1 They’re durable, can be painted to match the exterior of the house, and securely seal the opening. Very important when you’ve got ambients well below zero - one of those little metal flaps just doesn’t do the job. -D Sent from my iPad On Dec 4, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Maybe but it's a short tube. The dryer is against an outside wall so it vents straight out the back and through the wall. Incidentally the noise from the fridge was getting worse, so I took the back panel off and it was pretty clearly the condensor fan that was making the noise. I removed the assembly holding the fan (one screw secures it). The thing is definitely built down to a price but at the same time it's very easy to get it out and replace it if it comes to that. I was able to get at the motor bearings and put a few drops of my favorite Lubriplate oil on them, then cleaned all the dust and grime off the fan blades. It's running silently for now, we'll see how long it lasts. Allan On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 7:31 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: I would suspect that your dryer vent tube might be perforated. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 5:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: May have figured out where the little f---ers are getting in. The dryer vent is missing one of the flaps that are supposed to close when the dryer isn't running. It's only a few inches above ground level. And I have caught several of them in traps set the laundry room. I picked up a new vent at Lowes, will install it tomorrow. On Thu, Dec 2, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Our house up north has terrible mouse issues, it's got a million little holes I need to fix, replacing the enclosed porch floor being job 1 next year. For this year I put a package of "Grandpa Gus" anti-mouse stuff in there. Each pouch is supposed to protect 50 square feet. The house got 9 pouches and I put one in the garage on the Farmall Super M. Dang mice ate the seat cover this year. Didn't bother it for 20 years and then this year they just gotta eat it... The grooming machines get pieces of cloth soaked in peppermint oil. It doesn't 100% repel them but helps a ton. We used to have terrible trouble with mice, now they're just an annoyance, a few poops here and there but no nests. -Curt On Thursday, December 2, 2021, 12:31:11 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Living in the country I fight an endless battle against mice invading the house. I am not sure where they get in but there must be an opening somewhere that I haven't discovered. I heard one the other night and set some traps, but caught nothing. Today the refrigerator was making a noise so I pulled it out to investigate. Seems like the condensor fan motor might have a bad bearing or at least a vibration. A couple of years ago we painted the kitchen, and I had come up one outlet cover short when it came to putting them all back on. So, I left the cover off the outlet behind the fridge, intending to pick up a new one, but then forgot about it. Hanging out of the outlet box was the mouse. Must have climbed the refrigerator power cord and stuck his head into the box, contacted the hot terminal, and zappo. Didn't trip the breaker though, as the fridge is still running. Wasn't sure of the shock risk so pulled the corpse out with electrician's pliers. I then gave it the usual final rites (threw it into the woods). Who knows how long it would have been hanging there if the fridge hadn't started getting noisy. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I
Re: [MBZ] ML tars
On 2021-12-05 10:05, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: My personal hard line date code replacement is 5 years. Regardless of miles or tread. My Saturn allegedly had new tires in 2015. Mixed date codes 20-40 of 2014, so he probably bought them before winter of 2015, but gave me the impression he'd bought them Spring/Summer. Being 7 years old is one reason they're not going back on the car in the spring. I suspect tires sitting outdoors in Arizona go faster than tires which spend 4 months of the year in a dark garage in Michigan. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ML tars
My personal hard line date code replacement is 5 years. Regardless of miles or tread. After 5 years of age, the compounds start to fail and catastrophic failure [at speed] is pre-ordained. It is not a question of "IF" ... but "WHEN" and if "When" happens in traffic, at 75 MPH... there are not enough bandaids in the med kit to stop the bleeding that could happen.. I buy insurance for the car... I buy new tires as insurance for myself. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 5:46 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Ahh, ok that makes sense. I looked that up once and forgot the details > since. > > I looked at some of the other tires in the fleet snd couldn’t find date > codes. > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > IIRC, that is the 24th week of 2014, not that it matters. > > > >> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 6:10 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> So the date code on these Lizetti tires on the ML is 2414 which I guess > >> means either 2 or 4 of 2014. That tracks with the guy at the distributor > >> telling me they discontinued them 7yr ago. Tires look good though , > lots of > >> tread on them, I thought they were nearly new. H. > >> > >> I think I’ll get a cheap replacement from El Mercado de Wal for the one > >> that seems to be bad then think about a new set when Mr Budget says to > do > >> it. > >> > >> --FT > >> Sent from iFōn > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > > > -- > > OK Don > > > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > > Von Braun > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT mouse capital punishment
For what it’s worth, when I lived north of the Mason-Dixon Line I used a dryer vent that was made of plastic and shaped like a 90 degree elbow facing up with a cap of sorts that was lifted off by the pressure of the dryer blower. Like one of these: https://www.amazon.com/HEARTLAND-21000-Energy-Saving-Closure/dp/B9W3I4/ref=asc_df_B9W3I4/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=198100801330==g=2680509929569257030t===9030291=pla-318599266990=1 They’re durable, can be painted to match the exterior of the house, and securely seal the opening. Very important when you’ve got ambients well below zero - one of those little metal flaps just doesn’t do the job. -D Sent from my iPad On Dec 4, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Maybe but it's a short tube. The dryer is against an outside wall so it vents straight out the back and through the wall. Incidentally the noise from the fridge was getting worse, so I took the back panel off and it was pretty clearly the condensor fan that was making the noise. I removed the assembly holding the fan (one screw secures it). The thing is definitely built down to a price but at the same time it's very easy to get it out and replace it if it comes to that. I was able to get at the motor bearings and put a few drops of my favorite Lubriplate oil on them, then cleaned all the dust and grime off the fan blades. It's running silently for now, we'll see how long it lasts. Allan On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 7:31 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: I would suspect that your dryer vent tube might be perforated. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 5:52 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: May have figured out where the little f---ers are getting in. The dryer vent is missing one of the flaps that are supposed to close when the dryer isn't running. It's only a few inches above ground level. And I have caught several of them in traps set the laundry room. I picked up a new vent at Lowes, will install it tomorrow. On Thu, Dec 2, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Our house up north has terrible mouse issues, it's got a million little holes I need to fix, replacing the enclosed porch floor being job 1 next year. For this year I put a package of "Grandpa Gus" anti-mouse stuff in there. Each pouch is supposed to protect 50 square feet. The house got 9 pouches and I put one in the garage on the Farmall Super M. Dang mice ate the seat cover this year. Didn't bother it for 20 years and then this year they just gotta eat it... The grooming machines get pieces of cloth soaked in peppermint oil. It doesn't 100% repel them but helps a ton. We used to have terrible trouble with mice, now they're just an annoyance, a few poops here and there but no nests. -Curt On Thursday, December 2, 2021, 12:31:11 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Living in the country I fight an endless battle against mice invading the house. I am not sure where they get in but there must be an opening somewhere that I haven't discovered. I heard one the other night and set some traps, but caught nothing. Today the refrigerator was making a noise so I pulled it out to investigate. Seems like the condensor fan motor might have a bad bearing or at least a vibration. A couple of years ago we painted the kitchen, and I had come up one outlet cover short when it came to putting them all back on. So, I left the cover off the outlet behind the fridge, intending to pick up a new one, but then forgot about it. Hanging out of the outlet box was the mouse. Must have climbed the refrigerator power cord and stuck his head into the box, contacted the hot terminal, and zappo. Didn't trip the breaker though, as the fridge is still running. Wasn't sure of the shock risk so pulled the corpse out with electrician's pliers. I then gave it the usual final rites (threw it into the woods). Who knows how long it would have been hanging there if the fridge hadn't started getting noisy. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] KC135 Trivia Was RE: OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
I thought they had finally replaced the engines, long, long overdue. Should make them much easier to fly a low speed, the original 707/KC135 was a handful with poor lateral stability and VERY low power at landing speeds. BOAC rejected the first version because it would not fly without full power on at least one engine on each side -- considering the history of jet engines at the time, and the fact that there was an extra hard point to carry a spare engine on each wing, it wasn't out of the realm of real possibility to have both fail on one side during flight. Turns out even the J57 or equivalent was a very reliable engine BOAC took them after a large ventral fin was added to the tail underneath and the rudder made substantially larger. I don't know if those mods were made to the KC135. Very soon after than they all got P$W turbofans too, which helped at low speed. J57 equipped KC135 or original 707 at full up weight required a 15,000 ft runway and water injection. Upgrading the engines would definitely reduce the takeoff run, probably by a lot. I wouldn't see that as a problem On Dec 5, 2021, at 12:01 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > No longer a factor. All surviving KC135s are reengined from the old J57 > turbojet to more modern fan engines with twice the thrust and 25-40% better > fuel specifics. > A classmate (with much KC time) once opined the better engines would only > force them to take off with more fuel from shorter runways. Back in the J57 > days it was typical to offload fuel before take off on hot days (while > taxiing to the runway). > The basic KC EWO mission was to proceed to the assigned orbit and pass gas > until they themselves flamed out or were recalled. > With care, the KC boom could tow an unpowered fighter, done several times in > SEA. > > On\, December 4, 2021 6:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote > > Good thing my high end hearing isn't good anyway then! Turbojets scream > something aweful! > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > >> You ain't heard nuthin 'til you are in the back of a KC135 during a wet >> (J57) takeoff. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Peter Frederick via Mercedes >> Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 6:37 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Cc: Peter Frederick >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft >> >> All the low bypass turbojets are noisy. I flew in a British one once, don't >> remember what it was, but it had two Rolls Conways in the back. Very noisy >> engines. >> >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> >>> When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying >>> 707s. I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall. >>> >>> -D >>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation, sadly it never sold as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well. > On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > > I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as > a member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private > travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of > these were used for international and long-haul domestic flights as well > as charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have > pictures of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s. > > My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with > them overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them > as well, they might have had more, I don’t recall. > > They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were > standing next to them out on the tarmac. > > -D > >>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >>> wrote: >> >> L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would >> have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston... >> >> Curt >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> >> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via >> Mercedes wrote: L-1011 was very advanced for >> its time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. >> If the engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have >> been more commercially viable. >> >> Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 >> was their swan song. >> >> >> >>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: >>> Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD. >>> >>> Flaming ACTUAL
Re: [MBZ] Barn Find 1969 Mercedes 220 Diesel
Those are diaphragm type pumps run by a plunger, not a set of rollers. If you don't get the bolt right, they clank. On Dec 4, 2021, at 6:30 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Ah, yes. I forgot that. I did have to rebuild the vacuum pump on my 220D, > but I don't remember why. > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:43 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> These have manual shutoff, no vacuum. It could be the vacuum pump making >> noise. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 2:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes >> wrote: >>> >>> I would have said pull the valve cover and look at the rocker arms until >>> you opened the fill cap and the sound didn't change. You had vacuum to >> kill >>> it, so not the vacuum pump. A rod??? >>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:01 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Finally got it to run. Supposedly engine was rebuilt and within a short period of time, it started making noise. I see what they are talking >> about. Need to figure out if it’s serous or something simple. https://youtu.be/QcW1WPt2cek Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> -- >>> OK Don >>> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain >>> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” >> Wernher >>> Von Braun >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad matte black respray S65 2001 AMG S600 - $3, 500 (Indian Trail)
On 2021-12-05 08:47, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: Maybe $1500 as I'm sure it has been totally neglected https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/indian-trail-2001-amg-s600/7416380361.html I bought a well thrashed S600, put an AMG badge on it, and painted it with 15 cans of barbecue black spray paint. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Bad matte black respray S65 2001 AMG S600 - $3, 500 (Indian Trail)
Maybe $1500 as I'm sure it has been totally neglected https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/indian-trail-2001-amg-s600/7416380361.html -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Because you can never have enough moose
Amazing footage. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, 11:47 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > Discovered this, thought it should be shared. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UZpOvnAL_M > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
