Re: [MBZ] motor knocking still runs 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 CDI Sedan 4D, $2, 500

[Robert Massmann via Mercedes]

The package included a second engine, which I installed and then started 
driving, although I seem to remember that the transmission had to be replaced 
as well. I suppose one of these days I should try and rebuild the original 
engine and put it back in the car it came from. Retired, but that doesn’t 
really mean I have the time to put that in motion at the moment.

Bob Massmann
2012 ML350 BT
Oregonia, Ohio


From: Andrew Strasfogel 
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 7:03 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Robert Massmann 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] motor knocking still runs 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 
CDI Sedan 4D, $2, 500

And then what did you do?


On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 7:01 PM Robert Massmann via Mercedes 
 wrote:

  I had purchased a project car 1982 300D from someone that didn't have timer 
  top complete it. Previous owner had bought engine and interior parts from a 
  downer car, I got the complete package. Long story to the short, got the 
  engine swapped. The I dismantled the engine with the bad knock. Found the 
  the number (1) piston connecting rod bearing wore out. Whom ever had the 
  car, must have driven it a long time like that, because the bearing was 
  completely gone.

  Bob Massmann
  Oregonia, Ohio
  2012 ML350 BT

  -Original Message- 
  From: dan penoff.com via Mercedes
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  Cc: dan penoff.com
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] motor knocking still runs 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 
  320 CDI Sedan 4D, $2, 500

  Black Death.

  -D

  > On Mar 18, 2022, at 4:08 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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  > What could that be?  Injector?  Internals?
  >
  > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1353209435193614
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Yes that’s a concern. If he wants to sell the rental properties I don’t care. 
We already made a good profit on appreciation alone. If he wants to sell the 
car I don’t really care either as I wouldn’t have any serious attachment to it. 
It’s not a Mercedes after all!  I view the 911 as an investment that can be 
enjoyed. They just keep appreciating.

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> 
> 
>> 
>> The only ship that won't sail is a partnership.
> 
> 
> You need to spend most of your time on deciding what
> the exit strategy (-ies) is (are).  Do you buy each other
> out?  What if one of you loses interest or dies?  What if
> the car appreciates and A wants to cash out, but B doesn't
> want to and is remembering A's original investment, and is
> not fond of 1/2 FMV.  Etc.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Not worried about rust. He lives in California and I would only drive during 
non winter months.  But high maintenance costs are a concern. Hmm.

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> On Mar 18, 2022, at 10:21 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dimitri.
> I have had 2 porsches. A 912 and a 911 both 1968. 912 new and 911 1 year
> old. First wife wrecked the 912.
> I drove like an absolute idiot and the cars forgave my errors whilst giving
> me a glimpse of what a rush it was to drive.
> That said, I have worked on many-a Porsche and they rust and have high
> maintenance costs.
> In the shop where I worked, the joke was to turn off the compressor, turn
> out the lights and listen to them rust.
> YMMV
> Fred.
> 
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>>> A friend of mine wants to go halfsies on one.
>> 
>> With who, you?
>> 
>> The only ship that won't sail is a partnership.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> The only ship that won't sail is a partnership.


You need to spend most of your time on deciding what
the exit strategy (-ies) is (are).  Do you buy each other
out?  What if one of you loses interest or dies?  What if
the car appreciates and A wants to cash out, but B doesn't
want to and is remembering A's original investment, and is
not fond of 1/2 FMV.  Etc.

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche?

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

Dimitri.
I have had 2 porsches. A 912 and a 911 both 1968. 912 new and 911 1 year
old. First wife wrecked the 912.
I drove like an absolute idiot and the cars forgave my errors whilst giving
me a glimpse of what a rush it was to drive.
That said, I have worked on many-a Porsche and they rust and have high
maintenance costs.
In the shop where I worked, the joke was to turn off the compressor, turn
out the lights and listen to them rust.
YMMV
Fred.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> > A friend of mine wants to go halfsies on one.
>
> With who, you?
>
> The only ship that won't sail is a partnership.
>
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I already own a couple of rental properties with him. No issues so far so not 
really worried about that. It’s good to share responsibility if problems arise. 

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> On Mar 18, 2022, at 9:54 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> 
>> 
>> A friend of mine wants to go halfsies on one.
> 
> With who, you?
> 
> The only ship that won't sail is a partnership.
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Re: [MBZ] Never seen a 220D with real leather

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Did it also have power windows and a sunroof?

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Neither have I.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> A friend of mine wants to go halfsies on one.

With who, you?

The only ship that won't sail is a partnership.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] $6K Repair or Different Vehicle

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> We’ve had the car since new. No deep-seated emotional attachment to it.

Something to be said for following the "severe duty" maintenance cycle. I'm 
guilty of that at times too.


> Get it fixed or sneakily trade it in on something else?

I'd sell it outright, or to CarMax.
Private party, I'd be honest about it's faults.
CarMax?
Caveat emptor.
I'd take the cash and buy something with a proven track record for reliability. 
Which probably means a soulless econo-box. I would most definitely NOT be 
taking on a payment.

Or if I was retired and wanted a project, I would fix it myself.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Never seen a 220D with real leather

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Neither have I.

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[MBZ] Porsche?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

What you you all think of a vintage 911? A friend of mine wants to go halfsies 
on one. He seems to like the 911SC as the engine is supposedly bulletproof. I 
think the earlier 911T, E or S are better looking but they are prohibitively 
expensive.

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[MBZ] Never seen a 220D with real leather

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] motor knocking still runs 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 CDI Sedan 4D, $2, 500

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

And then what did you do?

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 7:01 PM Robert Massmann via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I had purchased a project car 1982 300D from someone that didn't have
> timer
> top complete it. Previous owner had bought engine and interior parts from
> a
> downer car, I got the complete package. Long story to the short, got the
> engine swapped. The I dismantled the engine with the bad knock. Found the
> the number (1) piston connecting rod bearing wore out. Whom ever had the
> car, must have driven it a long time like that, because the bearing was
> completely gone.
>
> Bob Massmann
> Oregonia, Ohio
> 2012 ML350 BT
>
> -Original Message-
> From: dan penoff.com via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 4:25 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: dan penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] motor knocking still runs 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E
> 320 CDI Sedan 4D, $2, 500
>
> Black Death.
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 18, 2022, at 4:08 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > What could that be?  Injector?  Internals?
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1353209435193614
> >
> > --
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Re: [MBZ] motor knocking still runs 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 CDI Sedan 4D, $2, 500

[Robert Massmann via Mercedes]

I had purchased a project car 1982 300D from someone that didn't have timer 
top complete it. Previous owner had bought engine and interior parts from a 
downer car, I got the complete package. Long story to the short, got the 
engine swapped. The I dismantled the engine with the bad knock. Found the 
the number (1) piston connecting rod bearing wore out. Whom ever had the 
car, must have driven it a long time like that, because the bearing was 
completely gone.


Bob Massmann
Oregonia, Ohio
2012 ML350 BT

-Original Message- 
From: dan penoff.com via Mercedes

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] motor knocking still runs 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 
320 CDI Sedan 4D, $2, 500


Black Death.

-D

On Mar 18, 2022, at 4:08 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:


What could that be?  Injector?  Internals?

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Re: [MBZ] The car ran and drove great until the breaks went almost completely out and I rear ended someone. 1987 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D, $1, 000

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

it is really  breaken

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 4:07 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> He braked the car
>
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Re: [MBZ] The car ran and drove great until the breaks went almost completely out and I rear ended someone. 1987 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D, $1, 000

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My 2014 GLK 250 occasionally buzzes me that the emergency brake is engaged,
yet it isn't.  I "disengage" the release handle and then everything is fine
again.  I'm worried that one day the "release gesture" won't stop the
alarm.  Is there an easy way to adjust the release lever to make it less
sensitive?

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 5:49 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> And that is my biggest issue with binary drivers©️ When something in the
> brake system fails, the car in front of them is what stops them.
>
> (A binary driver is one who must accelerate until it's time to stop. When
> it's time to stop, they brake at the limits of tire adhesion)
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: March 18, 2022 4:02 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] The car ran and drove great until the breaks went
> almost completely out and I rear ended someone. 1987 Mercedes-Benz
> Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D, $1, 000
>
> That’s why I always make sure my emergency/parking brake is in good
> working order. It won’t help in a panic stop, but under most circumstances
> it can do the job enough to get the car in a safe place.
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 18, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've lost master cylinders at least twice while driving around town.
> > Fortunately, there is SOME stopping power in this situation.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:12 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I had a situation with my car a couple of years back where the brakes
> >> gave out. The master cylinder gave up. I was in the city traffic and
> >> stopped at a red light. I was first in line and on a slight incline and
> >> the car crept ahead. Initially, I thought I hadn't stepped hard enough
> >> on the brake. The light turned and I drove away, but the first time I
> >> stepped on the brake pedal it sunk towards the floor and I knew I had a
> >> problem. I was only a few blocks from home so took it home and into the
> >> garage while I still had some braking action. Not sure what might have
> >> happened had I needed to do a panic stop.
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
> >> On 18/03/2022 3:06 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> He braked the car
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] needs transmission conductor plate replaced. ($650) 2007 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350 4MATIC Sedan 4D, $2, 800

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

It's an '07 E350. It's going to need an engine as well.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: March 18, 2022 3:15 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Cc: buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com
Subject: [MBZ] needs transmission conductor plate replaced. ($650) 2007 
Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350 4MATIC Sedan 4D, $2, 800

Could be fixed for about that, that's about what it cost to do mine with
the reprogramming and new fluid/filter.  I'd worry about the engine
though, but the car looks pretty nice

Yes it will move and drive so don't email ask will it drive or runs. Car
books out at $4200 So its a steal

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/5951816738168192

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Re: [MBZ] The car ran and drove great until the breaks went almost completely out and I rear ended someone. 1987 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D, $1, 000

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

And that is my biggest issue with binary drivers©️ When something in the brake 
system fails, the car in front of them is what stops them.

(A binary driver is one who must accelerate until it's time to stop. When it's 
time to stop, they brake at the limits of tire adhesion)

Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: March 18, 2022 4:02 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The car ran and drove great until the breaks went almost 
completely out and I rear ended someone. 1987 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D 
Sedan 4D, $1, 000

That’s why I always make sure my emergency/parking brake is in good working 
order. It won’t help in a panic stop, but under most circumstances it can do 
the job enough to get the car in a safe place.

-D

> On Mar 18, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> I've lost master cylinders at least twice while driving around town.
> Fortunately, there is SOME stopping power in this situation.
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:12 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I had a situation with my car a couple of years back where the brakes
>> gave out. The master cylinder gave up. I was in the city traffic and
>> stopped at a red light. I was first in line and on a slight incline and
>> the car crept ahead. Initially, I thought I hadn't stepped hard enough
>> on the brake. The light turned and I drove away, but the first time I
>> stepped on the brake pedal it sunk towards the floor and I knew I had a
>> problem. I was only a few blocks from home so took it home and into the
>> garage while I still had some braking action. Not sure what might have
>> happened had I needed to do a panic stop.
>>
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>>
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>>> He braked the car
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] The car ran and drove great until the breaks went almost completely out and I rear ended someone. 1987 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D, $1, 000

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That’s why I always make sure my emergency/parking brake is in good working 
order. It won’t help in a panic stop, but under most circumstances it can do 
the job enough to get the car in a safe place.

-D

> On Mar 18, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> I've lost master cylinders at least twice while driving around town.
> Fortunately, there is SOME stopping power in this situation.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:12 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> 
>> I had a situation with my car a couple of years back where the brakes
>> gave out. The master cylinder gave up. I was in the city traffic and
>> stopped at a red light. I was first in line and on a slight incline and
>> the car crept ahead. Initially, I thought I hadn't stepped hard enough
>> on the brake. The light turned and I drove away, but the first time I
>> stepped on the brake pedal it sunk towards the floor and I knew I had a
>> problem. I was only a few blocks from home so took it home and into the
>> garage while I still had some braking action. Not sure what might have
>> happened had I needed to do a panic stop.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> On 18/03/2022 3:06 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>> He braked the car
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] The car ran and drove great until the breaks went almost completely out and I rear ended someone. 1987 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D, $1, 000

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I've lost master cylinders at least twice while driving around town.
Fortunately, there is SOME stopping power in this situation.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:12 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> I had a situation with my car a couple of years back where the brakes
> gave out. The master cylinder gave up. I was in the city traffic and
> stopped at a red light. I was first in line and on a slight incline and
> the car crept ahead. Initially, I thought I hadn't stepped hard enough
> on the brake. The light turned and I drove away, but the first time I
> stepped on the brake pedal it sunk towards the floor and I knew I had a
> problem. I was only a few blocks from home so took it home and into the
> garage while I still had some braking action. Not sure what might have
> happened had I needed to do a panic stop.
>
> Randy
>
> On 18/03/2022 3:06 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > He braked the car
> >
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Re: [MBZ] motor knocking still runs 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 CDI Sedan 4D, $2, 500

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The good or bad kind?

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:26 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> Black Death.
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 18, 2022, at 4:08 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> >
> > What could that be?  Injector?  Internals?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] needs transmission conductor plate replaced. ($650) 2007 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350 4MATIC Sedan 4D, $2, 800

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Good point.  It's a DIY but if you have to pay someone it would be 3X 
that at least (and could be a bit more depending on how you acquire a 
CP).  New CP is $850, then swap, then programming ($400 or more), then 
fluid/filter for $150 or so for materials, add labor to all that and 
you're looking at $2k IF the shop doesn't just say "you need a new 
transmission" like the told the guy I bought the $900E500 from.


--FT

On 3/18/22 4:18 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
Looks nice, but if it can be repaired for $600, then why not fix it 
and sell it rather than dump it below value?


Randy

On 18/03/2022 3:14 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Could be fixed for about that, that's about what it cost to do mine 
with the reprogramming and new fluid/filter.  I'd worry about the 
engine though, but the car looks pretty nice


Yes it will move and drive so don't email ask will it drive or runs. 
Car books out at $4200 So its a steal


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Re: [MBZ] motor knocking still runs 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 CDI Sedan 4D, $2, 500

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Black Death.

-D

> On Mar 18, 2022, at 4:08 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> What could that be?  Injector?  Internals?
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1353209435193614
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Re: [MBZ] needs transmission conductor plate replaced. ($650) 2007 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350 4MATIC Sedan 4D, $2, 800

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Looks nice, but if it can be repaired for $600, then why not fix it and 
sell it rather than dump it below value?


Randy

On 18/03/2022 3:14 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Could be fixed for about that, that's about what it cost to do mine 
with the reprogramming and new fluid/filter.  I'd worry about the 
engine though, but the car looks pretty nice


Yes it will move and drive so don't email ask will it drive or runs. 
Car books out at $4200 So its a steal


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Re: [MBZ] eeeeeewwwww! 2009 Mercedes-Benz R-Class R 350 Sport Wagon 4D, $3, 500

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Like they said on the old TV commercial  "clean as the day it was totaled"

Randy



On 18/03/2022 3:12 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

Crap pics

Sunroof has been open so it has little rain mold

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[MBZ] needs transmission conductor plate replaced. ($650) 2007 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350 4MATIC Sedan 4D, $2, 800

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Could be fixed for about that, that's about what it cost to do mine with 
the reprogramming and new fluid/filter.  I'd worry about the engine 
though, but the car looks pretty nice


Yes it will move and drive so don't email ask will it drive or runs. Car 
books out at $4200 So its a steal


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Re: [MBZ] How bad is the rust? 1956 Mercedes-Benz ponton 180, $9, 500

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Agreed. I like the paint but a lot wrong with it for that price.

Randy

On 18/03/2022 3:10 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

But it looks very cool in the tutone paint scheme

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Re: [MBZ] The car ran and drove great until the breaks went almost completely out and I rear ended someone. 1987 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D, $1, 000

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I had a situation with my car a couple of years back where the brakes 
gave out. The master cylinder gave up. I was in the city traffic and 
stopped at a red light. I was first in line and on a slight incline and 
the car crept ahead. Initially, I thought I hadn't stepped hard enough 
on the brake. The light turned and I drove away, but the first time I 
stepped on the brake pedal it sunk towards the floor and I knew I had a 
problem. I was only a few blocks from home so took it home and into the 
garage while I still had some braking action. Not sure what might have 
happened had I needed to do a panic stop.


Randy

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He braked the car

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[MBZ] eeeeeewwwww! 2009 Mercedes-Benz R-Class R 350 Sport Wagon 4D, $3, 500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Crap pics

Sunroof has been open so it has little rain mold

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[MBZ] How bad is the rust? 1956 Mercedes-Benz ponton 180,$9,500

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But it looks very cool in the tutone paint scheme

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[MBZ] motor knocking still runs 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 CDI Sedan 4D, $2, 500

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What could that be?  Injector?  Internals?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cause of deadly TX crash

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On 18/03/2022 3:04 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
I saw that he and his father were both killed in their vehicle along 
with 7? in the van


--FT



Yes, they are saying father and son now. Earlier they were saying the 13 
year old driver was as yet unidentified.


Randy


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[MBZ] The car ran and drove great until the breaks went almost completely out and I rear ended someone. 1987 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D, $1, 000

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He braked the car

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cause of deadly TX crash

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I saw that he and his father were both killed in their vehicle along 
with 7? in the van


--FT

On 3/18/22 3:57 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
Interesting that they have yet to identify the youngster as being a 
son of the elder man (unless there is something new that I have not 
heard). I gather there was fire after the crash so maybe the 
identification requires dental records or something as evidence. 
However, they keep saying the driver was 13 so they must have some 
indication of who he was.


Randy

On 18/03/2022 2:52 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Out in the wild country like that it is not unusual for kids to drive 
(gummint rules nothwithstanding). That area kinda defines "middle of 
nowhere."  Was it wise, in hindsight maybe, maybe not, as the problem 
seemed to be due to a blowout, admittedly of a spare that should not 
have been used -- that was on the father.


Kids here in SC and other states used to drive school buses when they 
were 16, it was no different from being crossing guards or whatever, 
it was just something they did.  I guess the litigious society shut 
that down. Hell I drove a school bus load of drunks to the Indy 500 
when I was 17 (and got $20 and a free infield ticket for my 
efforts!).  That worked out OK, I even had to be assertive afterwards 
(the race actually got canceled due to a really bad crash on the 
first lap) when the drunks were misbehaving on the bus.  By that time 
I was flying airplanes for 2 years, so I did have a degree of 
responsibility.


--FT

On 3/18/22 3:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
Any thoughts on the wisdom of letting a 13 yo drive at night on a 
two lane

road with a 75 mph speed limit?

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 12:21 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


It sounds like the real issue was probably the  poor condition of the
spare tire that blew out before the collision. They were likely just
driving too fast on a junk tire so it may not have mattered who was
driving. If the left front tire blew out, the truck probably changed
lanes to the left before there was time to react. Unfortunately they
were meeting the van at the same time. A second or two, sooner or 
later
and the truck might have have crossed into the ditch and missed the 
van.

The speed limit was 75 mph and if they were each traveling at close to
that speed, their closing rate was something around 150 feet per 
second.


Randy


On 18/03/2022 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

In Texas it's not unusual for 13 year olds to drive.


https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/ntsb-13-year-old-drove-pickup-in-texas-crash-that-killed-9/?utm_source=marketingcloud&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning+Brief+3-18-22_3_18_2022&utm_term=Registered%20User 


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[MBZ] 1991 Mercedes 350SDL Turbo Diesel - $8,500 (Huntersville)

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cause of deadly TX crash

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Interesting that they have yet to identify the youngster as being a son 
of the elder man (unless there is something new that I have not heard). 
I gather there was fire after the crash so maybe the identification 
requires dental records or something as evidence. However, they keep 
saying the driver was 13 so they must have some indication of who he was.


Randy

On 18/03/2022 2:52 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Out in the wild country like that it is not unusual for kids to drive 
(gummint rules nothwithstanding).  That area kinda defines "middle of 
nowhere."  Was it wise, in hindsight maybe, maybe not, as the problem 
seemed to be due to a blowout, admittedly of a spare that should not 
have been used -- that was on the father.


Kids here in SC and other states used to drive school buses when they 
were 16, it was no different from being crossing guards or whatever, 
it was just something they did.  I guess the litigious society shut 
that down. Hell I drove a school bus load of drunks to the Indy 500 
when I was 17 (and got $20 and a free infield ticket for my 
efforts!).  That worked out OK, I even had to be assertive afterwards 
(the race actually got canceled due to a really bad crash on the first 
lap) when the drunks were misbehaving on the bus.  By that time I was 
flying airplanes for 2 years, so I did have a degree of responsibility.


--FT

On 3/18/22 3:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
Any thoughts on the wisdom of letting a 13 yo drive at night on a two 
lane

road with a 75 mph speed limit?

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 12:21 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


It sounds like the real issue was probably the  poor condition of the
spare tire that blew out before the collision. They were likely just
driving too fast on a junk tire so it may not have mattered who was
driving. If the left front tire blew out, the truck probably changed
lanes to the left before there was time to react. Unfortunately they
were meeting the van at the same time. A second or two, sooner or later
and the truck might have have crossed into the ditch and missed the 
van.

The speed limit was 75 mph and if they were each traveling at close to
that speed, their closing rate was something around 150 feet per 
second.


Randy


On 18/03/2022 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

In Texas it's not unusual for 13 year olds to drive.


https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/ntsb-13-year-old-drove-pickup-in-texas-crash-that-killed-9/?utm_source=marketingcloud&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning+Brief+3-18-22_3_18_2022&utm_term=Registered%20User 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cause of deadly TX crash

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Out in the wild country like that it is not unusual for kids to drive 
(gummint rules nothwithstanding).  That area kinda defines "middle of 
nowhere."  Was it wise, in hindsight maybe, maybe not, as the problem 
seemed to be due to a blowout, admittedly of a spare that should not 
have been used -- that was on the father.


Kids here in SC and other states used to drive school buses when they 
were 16, it was no different from being crossing guards or whatever, it 
was just something they did.  I guess the litigious society shut that 
down. Hell I drove a school bus load of drunks to the Indy 500 when I 
was 17 (and got $20 and a free infield ticket for my efforts!).  That 
worked out OK, I even had to be assertive afterwards (the race actually 
got canceled due to a really bad crash on the first lap) when the drunks 
were misbehaving on the bus.  By that time I was flying airplanes for 2 
years, so I did have a degree of responsibility.


--FT

On 3/18/22 3:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Any thoughts on the wisdom of letting a 13 yo drive at night on a two lane
road with a 75 mph speed limit?

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 12:21 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


It sounds like the real issue was probably the  poor condition of the
spare tire that blew out before the collision. They were likely just
driving too fast on a junk tire so it may not have mattered who was
driving. If the left front tire blew out, the truck probably changed
lanes to the left before there was time to react. Unfortunately they
were meeting the van at the same time. A second or two,  sooner or later
and the truck might have have crossed into the ditch and missed the van.
The speed limit was 75 mph and if they were each traveling at close to
that speed, their closing rate was something around 150 feet per second.

Randy


On 18/03/2022 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

In Texas it's not unusual for 13 year olds to drive.



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Re: [MBZ] Runs and drives but need some love 1970 Mercedes-Benz 220-d, $4, 000

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How much do you think it's worth?

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> Some rust but we have seen worse.
>
> Randy
>
> On 18/03/2022 10:08 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Only use is as a $1.5k beater, assuming you can get the hood to close so
> it
> > doesn't fly open when driving.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cause of deadly TX crash

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Any thoughts on the wisdom of letting a 13 yo drive at night on a two lane
road with a 75 mph speed limit?

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 12:21 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It sounds like the real issue was probably the  poor condition of the
> spare tire that blew out before the collision. They were likely just
> driving too fast on a junk tire so it may not have mattered who was
> driving. If the left front tire blew out, the truck probably changed
> lanes to the left before there was time to react. Unfortunately they
> were meeting the van at the same time. A second or two,  sooner or later
> and the truck might have have crossed into the ditch and missed the van.
> The speed limit was 75 mph and if they were each traveling at close to
> that speed, their closing rate was something around 150 feet per second.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 18/03/2022 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > In Texas it's not unusual for 13 year olds to drive.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] $6K Repair or Different Vehicle

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

"The Nissan" is a pretty broad stroke. Nissan makes many different models. The 
little crappy ones probably aren't great in a crash, the big ones are probably 
better.

When we were shopping pickup trucks I really liked the Nissan Titan except for 
the padded center console/arm rest thing that had no storage in it which I 
thought was a waste of space.

-Curt


 On Friday, March 18, 2022, 12:30:30 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote: 


I don't think the Nissan has a good crash rating.

Randy


On 18/03/2022 4:37 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> Another vote for used engine. Used cars are insane right now. Couple grand
> to install the 500 dollar motor and drive on. Otherwise buy a used nissan
> sentra or toyota corolla with a stick and just pay the money.
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 3:41 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Youngest’s 2014 Jetta, 1.8 T, 121K miles, had the red oil pressure alarm
>> come in the other day after she had driven it about ten miles and then let
>> it idle in a parking lot for about ten minutes. As soon as the alarm came
>> in, she shut it off and called me. At that point she had her things to do
>> so it sat for about three hours.
>>
>> When she came back out she checked the oil level (perfect) and ensured no
>> puddles were beneath it. She started the engine and it started and sounded
>> normal with no oil alarm light in. I told her to monitor the dash closely
>> and listen carefully as she drove home and if anything sounds amiss or the
>> alarm comes back in shut ‘er down.
>>
>> She made it home without mishap. I was going to check the oil  pressure
>> and start troubleshooting but I have way too much stuff going on right now,
>> so I took it down to a highly respected German shop (BMW, Mini, VW [no MB])
>> and have them give it the once over.
>>
>>
>>
>> After having it for a day they reported back:
>>
>>
>>
>> “One scanned fault for low oil pressure plausibility and airmass sensor
>> fault. Smoke test reveals leak at upper timing cover gasket. Clamshell is
>> also leaking a bit of oil. Spool valve okay. Timing chain tensioner fully
>> extended 9 notches (spec is no more than 7 notches extended). Using
>> Picoscope measured cam/crank timing correlation and found camshafts are
>> deviating consistently further indicating timing chain stretch and worn
>> timing components. At idle, oil pressure is 22 psi (spec is 17-29 psi). At
>> 2000 rpm,        34 psi (spec is 23-31). At 3700 rpm, 34 psi (spec 43-58
>> psi). This indicated worn counter-balance shaft leading to the improper oil
>> pressure control.”
>>
>>
>>
>> Bottom line, $6.25K repair. I bounced this off of a couple other VW guys
>> and they said it looks/sounds reasonable.
>>
>>
>>
>> We’ve had the car since new. No deep-seated emotional attachment to it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Get it fixed or sneakily trade it in on something else?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Im looking to trade this car mostly but 6000$ would also be fine. 1984 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 SD Sedan 4D, $100

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I think it’s the “more power!!!” mentality. As if a 300SD was a race car. < 
facepalm >

-D

> On Mar 18, 2022, at 12:26 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do these characters actually think the hood stack is some sort of upgrade? 
> Did you note the soot on the windshield and the roof? Does that mean that he 
> has cranked up the injection pump in some manner?
> I feel bad every time I see one of these cars. It seems that the 300SD is the 
> primary target of these fools who ruin reasonably good cars. I would love to 
> have a 300SD but it is looking like I never will. The good ones are $$$ and 
> the reasonable ones are being turned into parts cars.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> On 18/03/2022 9:05 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> METH WILL DO THIS TO YOU
>> 
>> It is primed ready to be painted and has a hood exit exhaust. There is 
>> nothing done to the engine except for a cold air intake. The driver and 
>> passenger seats are ripped and the back seat has a hole in it from a 
>> battery. I have all the door panels but only the front two are on the back 
>> two clips broke. It has brand new led lights in it. It is pretty loud it has 
>> an after market radio and a complete aftermarket sound system, It’s not the 
>> best but it’s sounds pretty good. It’s a fun car.
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/508199304148426
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Im looking to trade this car mostly but 6000$ would also be fine. 1984 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 SD Sedan 4D, $100

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

The cold air intake has boosted the power significantly requiring fuel to be 
turned up

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Mar 18, 2022, at 12:27 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do these characters actually think the hood stack is some sort of upgrade? 
> Did you note the soot on the windshield and the roof? Does that mean that he 
> has cranked up the injection pump in some manner?
> I feel bad every time I see one of these cars. It seems that the 300SD is the 
> primary target of these fools who ruin reasonably good cars. I would love to 
> have a 300SD but it is looking like I never will. The good ones are $$$ and 
> the reasonable ones are being turned into parts cars.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
>> On 18/03/2022 9:05 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> METH WILL DO THIS TO YOU
>> 
>> It is primed ready to be painted and has a hood exit exhaust. There is 
>> nothing done to the engine except for a cold air intake. The driver and 
>> passenger seats are ripped and the back seat has a hole in it from a 
>> battery. I have all the door panels but only the front two are on the back 
>> two clips broke. It has brand new led lights in it. It is pretty loud it has 
>> an after market radio and a complete aftermarket sound system, It’s not the 
>> best but it’s sounds pretty good. It’s a fun car.
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/508199304148426
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] $6K Repair or Different Vehicle

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I don't think the Nissan has a good crash rating.

Randy


On 18/03/2022 4:37 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Another vote for used engine. Used cars are insane right now. Couple grand
to install the 500 dollar motor and drive on. Otherwise buy a used nissan
sentra or toyota corolla with a stick and just pay the money.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 3:41 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Youngest’s 2014 Jetta, 1.8 T, 121K miles, had the red oil pressure alarm
come in the other day after she had driven it about ten miles and then let
it idle in a parking lot for about ten minutes. As soon as the alarm came
in, she shut it off and called me. At that point she had her things to do
so it sat for about three hours.

When she came back out she checked the oil level (perfect) and ensured no
puddles were beneath it. She started the engine and it started and sounded
normal with no oil alarm light in. I told her to monitor the dash closely
and listen carefully as she drove home and if anything sounds amiss or the
alarm comes back in shut ‘er down.

She made it home without mishap. I was going to check the oil  pressure
and start troubleshooting but I have way too much stuff going on right now,
so I took it down to a highly respected German shop (BMW, Mini, VW [no MB])
and have them give it the once over.



After having it for a day they reported back:



“One scanned fault for low oil pressure plausibility and airmass sensor
fault. Smoke test reveals leak at upper timing cover gasket. Clamshell is
also leaking a bit of oil. Spool valve okay. Timing chain tensioner fully
extended 9 notches (spec is no more than 7 notches extended). Using
Picoscope measured cam/crank timing correlation and found camshafts are
deviating consistently further indicating timing chain stretch and worn
timing components. At idle, oil pressure is 22 psi (spec is 17-29 psi). At
2000 rpm,34 psi (spec is 23-31). At 3700 rpm, 34 psi (spec 43-58
psi). This indicated worn counter-balance shaft leading to the improper oil
pressure control.”



Bottom line, $6.25K repair. I bounced this off of a couple other VW guys
and they said it looks/sounds reasonable.



We’ve had the car since new. No deep-seated emotional attachment to it.



Get it fixed or sneakily trade it in on something else?



AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] Im looking to trade this car mostly but 6000$ would also be fine. 1984 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 SD Sedan 4D, $100

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Do these characters actually think the hood stack is some sort of 
upgrade? Did you note the soot on the windshield and the roof? Does that 
mean that he has cranked up the injection pump in some manner?
I feel bad every time I see one of these cars. It seems that the 300SD 
is the primary target of these fools who ruin reasonably good cars. I 
would love to have a 300SD but it is looking like I never will. The good 
ones are $$$ and the reasonable ones are being turned into parts cars.


Randy


On 18/03/2022 9:05 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

METH WILL DO THIS TO YOU

It is primed ready to be painted and has a hood exit exhaust. There is 
nothing done to the engine except for a cold air intake. The driver 
and passenger seats are ripped and the back seat has a hole in it from 
a battery. I have all the door panels but only the front two are on 
the back two clips broke. It has brand new led lights in it. It is 
pretty loud it has an after market radio and a complete aftermarket 
sound system, It’s not the best but it’s sounds pretty good. It’s a 
fun car.


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/508199304148426




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Re: [MBZ] Runs and drives but need some love 1970 Mercedes-Benz 220-d, $4, 000

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Some rust but we have seen worse.

Randy

On 18/03/2022 10:08 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Only use is as a $1.5k beater, assuming you can get the hood to close so it
doesn't fly open when driving.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:01 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/460880192449075

--
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cause of deadly TX crash

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

It sounds like the real issue was probably the  poor condition of the 
spare tire that blew out before the collision. They were likely just 
driving too fast on a junk tire so it may not have mattered who was 
driving. If the left front tire blew out, the truck probably changed 
lanes to the left before there was time to react. Unfortunately they 
were meeting the van at the same time. A second or two,  sooner or later 
and the truck might have have crossed into the ditch and missed the van. 
The speed limit was 75 mph and if they were each traveling at close to 
that speed, their closing rate was something around 150 feet per second.


Randy


On 18/03/2022 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

In Texas it's not unusual for 13 year olds to drive.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/ntsb-13-year-old-drove-pickup-in-texas-crash-that-killed-9/?utm_source=marketingcloud&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning+Brief+3-18-22_3_18_2022&utm_term=Registered%20User
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Re: [MBZ] Corn based ethanol

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I can't tell if you're sarcastic or not. E85 is good race fuel, it's probably 
okay in low humidity environments, it's lousy in most other applications.

-Curt



On Friday, March 18, 2022, 11:17:21 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote: 



I keep hoping they will just require all cars to run on e85. But so far it
hasnt worked.

Apart from being an important hedge against commodity prices for farmers,
the ddg's feed a lot of livestock. And real people work in those plants.

Support farmers: Drink more vodka (within reason)!

K



On Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 5:14 AM mitch--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On 2022-03-12 23:00, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote:
> > OK Don.
> > Y'know, when I read about using corn for fuel, I laughed my ass off!
> > And would bet that the Iowa corn farmers did too!
> > Another lobbyist victory.
> > Fred the sceptic.
>
>
> You're not wrong.
> Ethanol subsidies/mandates are now an entrenched political sacred cow.
> And some long serving members of Iowa's congressional delegation will
> never stand for the cow's demise. And I'm sure some of those subsidies
> make their way through lobbyists and PACs to congressional re-election
> campaigns outside of Iowa also.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Corn based ethanol

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I keep hoping they will just require all cars to run on e85. But so far it
hasnt worked.

Apart from being an important hedge against commodity prices for farmers,
the ddg's feed a lot of livestock. And real people work in those plants.

Support farmers: Drink more vodka (within reason)!

K



On Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 5:14 AM mitch--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On 2022-03-12 23:00, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote:
> > OK Don.
> > Y'know, when I read about using corn for fuel, I laughed my ass off!
> > And would bet that the Iowa corn farmers did too!
> > Another lobbyist victory.
> > Fred the sceptic.
>
>
> You're not wrong.
> Ethanol subsidies/mandates are now an entrenched political sacred cow.
> And some long serving members of Iowa's congressional delegation will
> never stand for the cow's demise. And I'm sure some of those subsidies
> make their way through lobbyists and PACs to congressional re-election
> campaigns outside of Iowa also.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] $6K Repair or Different Vehicle

[Robert Massmann via Mercedes]

I bought a 2002 BMW 525i from a charity auction that wasn’t too far away, 
couldn’t inspect before purchase. Paid $900 for it, 600 for the car and 300 to 
the charity. Got it home and found that the engine had a coolant leak into the 
oil. Car had been sitting about 6 months, so the engine was toasted, still 
turned, cam was quite rusted too. Bought a running replacement engine for $600 
plus $100 for shipping. Engine was sold as running, when it entered the yard. 
Engine hasn’t missed a beat since I got it on the road. Yes it was an effort, 
but it was more a test to see what I could do and it has been a very 
comfortable ride. Have driven it about 45,000 mile since the engine swap over 
the last 5 years.

I believe I would do it again if I had too. Just finished the oil cooler seal 
repair on my 2012 ML350 Bluetec, which was a scary thing to start on my nicest 
car.

Bob Massmann
2012 ML350 BT 86K

From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 7:06 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: azbob...@gmail.com 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] $6K Repair or Different Vehicle

I have not started doing the YouTubing for those tasks. Tonight I will watch a 
couple of videos. 

 


 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 4:01 PM
To: dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Cc: Randy Bennell
Subject: Re: [MBZ] $6K Repair or Different Vehicle

 

What would it cost if you repaired it yourself?  Timing chain does not 

sound impossible. How hard is it to do the balance shaft?

If daughter does not love it, pass it on to junior?

 

Randy

 

 

 

On 17/03/2022 5:55 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

> I would unload it if it were me. However, there are many variables in play 
> here, so that’s simply based on my situation. A $6k repair on an $8k car just 
> isn’t a good spend unless you’re prepared to drive it into the ground. And 
> that doesn’t consider any other potential repairs it might need as it ages.

>

> -D

>

> On Mar 17, 2022, at 6:47 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

>

> <4209759D50B8452CBC599ADAFCFF910E.png>

>

> Sent from Mail for Windows

>

> From: dan penoff.com via Mercedes

> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 3:43 PM

> To: Mercedes Discussion List

> Cc: dan penoff.com

> Subject: Re: [MBZ] $6K Repair or Different Vehicle

>

> What’s the car worth without considering the repair cost? That’s the point of 
> reference I would be working off of.

>

> -D

>

> On Mar 17, 2022, at 6:40 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
>  wrote:

>

> Youngest’s 2014 Jetta, 1.8 T, 121K miles, had the red oil pressure alarm come 
> in the other day after she had driven it about ten miles and then let it idle 
> in a parking lot for about ten minutes. As soon as the alarm came in, she 
> shut it off and called me. At that point she had her things to do so it sat 
> for about three hours.

> When she came back out she checked the oil level (perfect) and ensured no 
> puddles were beneath it. She started the engine and it started and sounded 
> normal with no oil alarm light in. I told her to monitor the dash closely and 
> listen carefully as she drove home and if anything sounds amiss or the alarm 
> comes back in shut ‘er down.

> She made it home without mishap. I was going to check the oil  pressure and 
> start troubleshooting but I have way too much stuff going on right now, so I 
> took it down to a highly respected German shop (BMW, Mini, VW [no MB]) and 
> have them give it the once over.

>

> After having it for a day they reported back:

>

> “One scanned fault for low oil pressure plausibility and airmass sensor 
> fault. Smoke test reveals leak at upper timing cover gasket. Clamshell is 
> also leaking a bit of oil. Spool valve okay. Timing chain tensioner fully 
> extended 9 notches (spec is no more than 7 notches extended). Using Picoscope 
> measured cam/crank timing correlation and found camshafts are deviating 
> consistently further indicating timing chain stretch and worn timing 
> components. At idle, oil pressure is 22 psi (spec is 17-29 psi). At 2000 rpm, 
>34 psi (spec is 23-31). At 3700 rpm, 34 psi (spec 43-58 psi). This 
> indicated worn counter-balance shaft leading to the improper oil pressure 
> control.”

>

> Bottom line, $6.25K repair. I bounced this off of a couple other VW guys and 
> they said it looks/sounds reasonable.

>

> We’ve had the car since new. No deep-seated emotional attachment to it.

>

> Get it fixed or sneakily trade it in on something else?

>

> AZBob

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[MBZ] OT: Cause of deadly TX crash

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

In Texas it's not unusual for 13 year olds to drive.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/ntsb-13-year-old-drove-pickup-in-texas-crash-that-killed-9/?utm_source=marketingcloud&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning+Brief+3-18-22_3_18_2022&utm_term=Registered%20User
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Re: [MBZ] Runs and drives but need some love 1970 Mercedes-Benz 220-d, $4, 000

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Only use is as a $1.5k beater, assuming you can get the hood to close so it
doesn't fly open when driving.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:01 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/460880192449075
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[MBZ] OT That should buff right out 2012 Maserati Quattroporte Sport GT S Sedan 4D, $12, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

How do you say "crack" in Italiano?

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[MBZ] Im looking to trade this car mostly but 6000$ would also be fine. 1984 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 SD Sedan 4D, $100

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

METH WILL DO THIS TO YOU

It is primed ready to be painted and has a hood exit exhaust. There is 
nothing done to the engine except for a cold air intake. The driver and 
passenger seats are ripped and the back seat has a hole in it from a 
battery. I have all the door panels but only the front two are on the 
back two clips broke. It has brand new led lights in it. It is pretty 
loud it has an after market radio and a complete aftermarket sound 
system, It’s not the best but it’s sounds pretty good. It’s a fun car.


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[MBZ] Runs and drives but need some love 1970 Mercedes-Benz 220-d, $4, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] $6K Repair or Different Vehicle

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Another vote for used engine. Used cars are insane right now. Couple grand
to install the 500 dollar motor and drive on. Otherwise buy a used nissan
sentra or toyota corolla with a stick and just pay the money.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 3:41 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Youngest’s 2014 Jetta, 1.8 T, 121K miles, had the red oil pressure alarm
> come in the other day after she had driven it about ten miles and then let
> it idle in a parking lot for about ten minutes. As soon as the alarm came
> in, she shut it off and called me. At that point she had her things to do
> so it sat for about three hours.
>
> When she came back out she checked the oil level (perfect) and ensured no
> puddles were beneath it. She started the engine and it started and sounded
> normal with no oil alarm light in. I told her to monitor the dash closely
> and listen carefully as she drove home and if anything sounds amiss or the
> alarm comes back in shut ‘er down.
>
> She made it home without mishap. I was going to check the oil  pressure
> and start troubleshooting but I have way too much stuff going on right now,
> so I took it down to a highly respected German shop (BMW, Mini, VW [no MB])
> and have them give it the once over.
>
>
>
> After having it for a day they reported back:
>
>
>
> “One scanned fault for low oil pressure plausibility and airmass sensor
> fault. Smoke test reveals leak at upper timing cover gasket. Clamshell is
> also leaking a bit of oil. Spool valve okay. Timing chain tensioner fully
> extended 9 notches (spec is no more than 7 notches extended). Using
> Picoscope measured cam/crank timing correlation and found camshafts are
> deviating consistently further indicating timing chain stretch and worn
> timing components. At idle, oil pressure is 22 psi (spec is 17-29 psi). At
> 2000 rpm,34 psi (spec is 23-31). At 3700 rpm, 34 psi (spec 43-58
> psi). This indicated worn counter-balance shaft leading to the improper oil
> pressure control.”
>
>
>
> Bottom line, $6.25K repair. I bounced this off of a couple other VW guys
> and they said it looks/sounds reasonable.
>
>
>
> We’ve had the car since new. No deep-seated emotional attachment to it.
>
>
>
> Get it fixed or sneakily trade it in on something else?
>
>
>
> AZBob
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