[MBZ] Are all hood pads made equal?
Greetings from the Southern Colonies It’s time to replace the hood pad on my W123 300TD wagon. The original has done 233K miles. Not bad I suppose, but it has now sagged over the air-filter canister. The prospect of a fire in the engine-bay is uninviting. Can you experts give me a steer on suitable replacements? I imagine OEM pads are best but at a price (especially Down Here, well removed from northern hemisphere suppliers). What about third-party alternatives? And what about suppliers you trust? Cheers Euan 1985 W123 300TD 5-spd manual 223K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Hey... We’re all upside down!
LOL, no, our tyres are just as good as yours. This north is up and south is down thing is just a mental construct. It’s kinda handy to get our puny human brains organised around viewing the planet that way. Otherwise we’re all clinging to a round rock floating in a universe which doesn’t have ups and downs, Norths or Souths. Scary, eh. Let’s just be grateful that the slingshot effects of rotation are still out-muscled by the sucking effects of gravity. For the moment. And anyway, who said north was up? Sent from my iPhone > On 16/05/2020, at 4:58 PM, Buggered Benzmail > wrote: > > I’ve always wondered how cars can hang on upside down on the bottom of the > planet. Like do you have really good tires there. I know you drive on the > wrong side of the road maybe that has something to do with it, you can hang > on better. > > --FlaT Earther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sticking my neck out - an Antipodean perspective
Hi all, from the Southern Colonies I have always treated this mailing list as yours. Thus I have no right to object to its content. And if I do, then I can simply suspend my subscription. As it turns out, I have often done that since signing up more than two decades ago. My chief interest is in learning more from you technically-competent guys about my 300TD. Occasionally I can offer something worthwhile in return. But most of the list's traffic is irrelevant to my situation, including almost all of the OT postings. When finding diamonds in the dross becomes too tedious, I take time out. I’m deleting 98% of emails right now, so I’ll soon be signing off for a while, I think. I don’t intend that to be a reflection on you guys. I thank you sincerely for the generosity of your advice in answer to my technical questions. I appreciate that very much indeed. Were I to offer a suggestion, then how about creating sublists: one for technical stuff, one for cars and prices, and one for general commentary on the American Way of Life? Is that feasible? Euan 1985 W123 300TD 5-spd manual 223K miles Christchurch, NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Air filters - OEM or others?
Thanks for the assurance and advice about my oily air filter canister. A new OEM filter costs $NZ85.00 at this end of the world. Yikes! Do I stay with the stock filter or fit a quality filter from another maker? Does it make any difference to performance and fuel efficiency? Which brands do you recommend? Anything else to look out for? Thanks Euan W123 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 223K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Oily film in the air filter pan
Gentlemen, and others Hello again from the Antipodes. It’s been a while. I’m on a mission to get my 300TD engine clattering like new again. Tell me, should I expect to find a film of oil on the floor of my air filter canister? It’s not a pond, only a film. And it’s confined to the inner circumference of the filter. Is this normal? While in the canister, can an OEM air filter be washed to remove debris and dust? My filter has done only 25,000 miles but it looks a bit cruddy. Cheers Euan W123 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 223K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Leaking front shocks
Greetings from the Antipodes It’s nice to be rejoining the community. Great to see familiar names here. One of my 300TD’s front shocks is weeping fluid. This is an automatic fail in our Warrant of Fitness system. So, after 222K miles, I’m picking that the original Bilsteins are due for replacement. I’m kinda pleased about that - I’ve felt for a while that the front end has been lacking its original stiffness and stability. Do you veterans stick with Bilsteins or are there perfectly good alternatives these days? Cheers Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 222K km ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Email Clients-Outlook vs Thunderbird
> Looks as though Mozilla are planning to discontinue support for Thunderbird > and focus solely on Firefox, which was always their core business anyway. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/01/mozilla_to_kick_thunderbird_out/ > <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/01/mozilla_to_kick_thunderbird_out/> > > Euan > Christchurch > NZ > > 1985 300TD 5-spd manual > 222K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Slide scanning - Mould on the originals Take 2
OK, let's try this a third time. AVAST has been messing with my e-mails. I located a long neglected NIKON LS-2000 a while ago but, like you, was confounded by the SCSI interface. After a bit of rummaging, I found to my astonishment that I had acquired somewhere along the line in my legacy Mac squirreling an exceedingly rare (and now /very /costly) SCSI converter plug that overcame the need for a SCSI board on my old PowerMac. The old Macs have gone to the big recycling boneyard but I still have that converter. Since then however I've bought a Nikon CoolScan 4000ED which is now waiting for me to upgrade from the PC darkside to decent recent iMac. My early scanning experiments with the LS-2000 revealed a problem I haven't found a fix for yet. A few of my thousands of colour slides are blighted with mould on the emulsions. I've consulted Dr Google and it seems that the best fix may be to freeze the slides to kill the mould. Theoretically, freezing should make it easy to simply brush the dead mould off, without taking emulsion with it. I'd really appreciate some advice on this. Have you found a satisfactory solution to the problem of mouldy slides and negatives? Euan Christchurch NZ 1985 300TD 5-speed manual 221K miles On 28/11/2015 1:49 a.m., Peter Frederick wrote: Vuescan works well for Eastman (or other pre-programmed) films, but if there isn't a profile it can take quite a while to get good color. Needless to say, I have all sorts of strange films that are not on the list. The thing I like the best is the ability to control contrast, it's fairly easy to restore faded slides and negatives, and rescue under-development. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Mould on the originals
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 34mm Negative Scanner - Digital ICE Rocks
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Re: [MBZ] Door Check Fail
Good story, Max. The check strap on my wagon failed soon after I bought her (at 29,000 miles). It wasn't the strap itself but the mounting point on the door pillar itself which fractured. We've lived with an ugly welding repair ever since. I agree with you about spares and their whereabouts in a normal working garage. Shoulda started an inventory list long ago. Cheers Euan 1985 W123 300TD 5-spd manual 221K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Binding brakes
A question from the Colonies My 300 TD hasn't had a run for quite a while. Almost six months. Last week, she and I ventured out for a sunny Sunday drive. I found that the front disk brakes were binding. The faster I went of course the more they bound. I limped home at 50 kph which seemed to be the speed at which air flow over the rotors cancelled friction heat. I'm assuming that the problem lies not in the calipers but elsewhere. Any ideas? Cheers Euan Christchurch, NZ 1985 W123 300TD 5-spd manual 220K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Miele Vacuum Cleaners
Yep, Miele consistently polls top of the pile for reliability and performance in Kiwi consumer surveys. We have one (the 'Pet' model). It has a graduated suck function - at full suck, it lifts the carpet. These are good machines. Well worth the premium you pay for the brand. Euan NZ We have one, was the base model or thereabouts and it just keeps going, even though Fay is trying to kill it and get a newy. Some of the plastic do das have broken on it but it still sucks pretty well. We also have a thingy on it that collects the bigger stuff, so we don't have to change the bag that often. Hendrik who has used the Miele a couple of times On 27/05/13 09:44, Dan Penoff wrote: Anybody in this august group know anything about Miele vacuum cleaners? Are they good? Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amateur car waxing
Hi there from the Antipodes, Gerry I use 3M Imperial Hand Glaze (Part no. 051131-05990) on my W123. It was strongly recommended by a panel-beater friend. It contains no silicone or waxes, so no build-up on your paintwork. Coverage is good and manual polish-off is easy if you don't use too much. It gives a brilliant shine. Here in NZ, we only rarely find this product at the automotive bulk barns. Specialist paint shops (auto or otherwise) stock it. Remember to take your watch off before you start polishing, to avoid inadvertant scratches : o ) Cheers Euan CHCH NZ 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 221K mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD wagon: Rear self leveling shock absobers (hydropneumatic struts)
On my 1985 300TD, it was readily apparent when the spheres had failed. Two clues. First, the rear of the wagon trampolined excessively over any undulations in the road. Second, our seats were squawking loudly as our body weight trampolined accordingly (a dead giveway for sphere failure). Once the spheres were replaced, the trampolining stopped. Cheers Euan Christchurch NZ 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 221K mi On 7:59 a.m., Dan Penoff wrote: Other than the somewhat subjective bounce test, no. It has to be the spheres if it's bouncing, as they are the only thing responsible for the bounce. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Earthquake Euan WAS: W123 300TD wagon: Rear self leveling shock absobers (hydropneumatic struts)
Ah bless you, mates. Thanks for the kind thoughts. My family is OK. There is, of course, the long agony of living in a grievously wounded city but compared with Japan, this is manageable. Our house is wounded too (nothing's level, doors and windows won't open or shut properly, interior plaster is stuffed, my garage now sports a new inspection pit across the concrete floor etc). We're at the happy end of our street though. The other half will soon be retired from residential housing and returned to wetlands and parklands which is what it should have been all along. We had drinkable water and sewerage restored three months ago. Some local roads still barely passable. We lost five friends and acquaintances in the city during the February quake. Crushed in streets or workplaces. The 300TD survived OK, apart from a heap of dents where gear in the garage toppled on to it. Not so my 2003 SR5 Hilux. The September 4 quake shoved it hard into one corner of the garage where fittings etched the seismic profile in the paintwork down one side. It was in the panel shop being repainted when the February 22 quake tore Christchurch apart. The panel shop collapsed around it. It was one of only two wagons which survived. Was fearful of it being bulldozed with the shop (like everywhere else is in the city - no access to retrieve anything before demolition) but the panel shop owner looked after me. Still, it was two months before I got it back, because the shop was in the CBD lock-down zone. The June 13 quake flung it through the garage tilt-a-door, despite its handbrake being on. Just as well I didn't bother the insurance company again because I took it hunting soon after and a herd of steers exercised their horns down both sides. The deeply scored panels may have improved laminar flow but my insurance company took a dim view of this modification. Finally won that fight but by now the insurance excesses were starting to mount up. Got it back after a complete repaint and some new panels. A snow-laden branch peeled off a tree in the last snow-storm and took the driver's-side rear vision mirror clean off. I haven't phoned the insurance company yet. My workmates are running sweepstakes on the timing and type of my next misfortune. Got that covered. I'm cycling to work now. Euan On 7:59 a.m., Mitch Haley wrote: He's alive! We thought the earthquake got him. Mitch. Euan wrote: Euan Christchurch NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD in FL - I could just b*rf
On 8:59 a.m., andrew strasfogel wrote: This is a Euro model with the skinny rubber-insert bumpers and oogy cloth seats. Bleccch. Plus, IMO it's way overpriced. What does anyone else think? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-Turbo-Diesel-MB-300-TD-Turbo-Wagon-CLEAN-1-family-owner-full-docs-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem230df875a2QQitemZ150558242210QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks Well, Andrew, this looks like an exact replica of my 300TD. In fact, the old ticker did a little leap seeing this one advertised. Except mine is RHD, 85K miles lighter on the odo, 5-spd manual, non-turbo (sigh), has Euro headlights, and is in way better condition inside and out. This one still looks pretty good to me, despite the wear and tear. The skinny rubber-insert bumpers and oogy cloth seats look normal, mate. I wouldn't mind getting just the reserve ($US4,950) for mine! Euan Christchurch NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT This is why Aussies should not live in the US
On 8:59 a.m., Hendrik Fay wrote: http://www.27bslash6.com/trash.html Hendrik who Koala bear proofs his garbage (we don't have trash) Good posting. We have neither trash nor garbage (so no problems with bears or koalas). We have rubbish. Euan Christchurch NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How do you lubricate accelerator cables?
Thanks for this, Jaime. There is indeed a cable in my accelerator set-up. It runs from the pedal to the physical linkages you mention. In fact there are two cables, but the second runs from the idle adjustor knob. So, ATF it is then. Not light lubricating oil. I was planning to use a syringe and needle to force the oil down the cable. Might do my push-bike cables at the same time. I'll report back Cheers Euan Important point here: There are no cables on your throttle linkage. Its all mechanical linkage. As others have said, ATF is the lubricant to use. You should first take several pictures of the linkage so you can put it back the way it was before you started. Then, remove each piece one by one. Clean both ball and socket using a tooth brush, end of a rag, or anything else that might get into the sockets. Use ATF as the cleaner as well as lube. Finally, remove the accelerator pedal. There is a clip at the bottom where it connects to the floor. Slide it off the linkage shaft it rides on... lubricate the shaft with some white grease. You might need to replace the little plastic piece on the back of the pedal that rides on the shaft... its cheap. In fact, the whole pedal is cheap if its falling apart. Before starting the engine... carefully check the linkage is installed properly, returns to idle by itself, and has full range of motion. Jaime On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Euangoneb...@paradise.net.nz wrote: Gentlemen The answer to this question is probably 'get new cables'. But here goes anyway. I want to lubricate the two accelerator cables in my 300TD engine bay. Dry cables (now 400+ K miles old) may be contributing to occasional failures of my accelerator to return to idle. I've replaced associated struts and have lubricated all the mini ball-joints in the linkages. I'm loathe to use WD40 which is the most likely to run freely between inner and outer. But how do you get light lubricating oil to run down the length of the cable? Cheers Euan Christchurch NZ 1985 W123 300TD 5-spd manual 221K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] How do you lubricate accelerator cables?
Gentlemen The answer to this question is probably 'get new cables'. But here goes anyway. I want to lubricate the two accelerator cables in my 300TD engine bay. Dry cables (now 400+ K miles old) may be contributing to occasional failures of my accelerator to return to idle. I've replaced associated struts and have lubricated all the mini ball-joints in the linkages. I'm loathe to use WD40 which is the most likely to run freely between inner and outer. But how do you get light lubricating oil to run down the length of the cable? Cheers Euan Christchurch NZ 1985 W123 300TD 5-spd manual 221K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Heater tap replacement, W123 300TD
Gentlemen The plastic heater tap on the firewall of my 300TD has begun to leak badly. It is progressively emptying coolant from the system when the engine runs. I have a replacement but would like to know if there are any things I should watch out for when fitting it. Anyone have experience of this job? Thanks Euan CHCH NZ 1985 300TD 5-speed manual 212K mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Heater tap replacement, W123 300TD
Good point. Thanks. Manual heater controls. No climate control or air conditioning (that's what the windows are for, I thought). Besides, not necessary here in the temperate South Pacific. Euan Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Do you have ACC or manual or what variation of climate control? I probably won't know the answer, but someone else will. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Euan Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 4:31 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Heater tap replacement, W123 300TD Gentlemen The plastic heater tap on the firewall of my 300TD has begun to leak badly. It is progressively emptying coolant from the system when the engine runs. I have a replacement but would like to know if there are any things I should watch out for when fitting it. Anyone have experience of this job? Thanks Euan CHCH NZ 1985 300TD 5-speed manual 212K mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Lurch-restraint struts (NOT an oil thread
Fellow W123-ers I backed off the Nylock nuts on my new engine lurch-restraint struts, as recommended. Et voilà! Less harsh vibration but once again I have that delightful, urgent, diesel-engine tremble. Love it. Best of all, the tail-pipe vibration at idle seems to have moderated significantly. I just need to sort out the awful idling at start-up. Thanks for your help, guys. Euan 1985 300TD 5-speed manual 221K mi Christchurch NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123 front suspension bushes
Guys, I need to replace rubber stuff in the front suspension of my 1985 300TD. There are some wicked 'munchy' noises coming from the front end. I know nothing about the suspension geometry, so intend to get my indie to fix it. Assuming that most or all bushes need to be replaced, which should I start with first? Thanks Euan 1985 300TD 5-speed manual 221K mi Christchurch NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Report-back on engine lurch-restraint struts
Cheers Dieselhead They are Nylock nuts. Sounds as though I should back them off quite a bit. Thanks indeed Euan My memory is fuzzy on this, but i recall the struts have Nylock nuts. They should compress the rubber to some extent, but should not be run to the end of the threads. I am sure there is a spec, but i'd guess 3-4 turns after snug would be enough. Too tight, and they will transmit vibration. Unless you know the motor mounts and trans mount are new, they are probably the problem. It might be just one, but it is beast to replace all at once. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Report-back on engine lurch-restraint struts
Injectors have been rebuilt. Pump has never been touched, Rolf. Down here in the Colonies, that's bigger money than the value of the wagon. Euan I would say the pump should be put on a bench and injectors rebuilt. Euan, also there should be bushings on the exhaust-trans mount. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Report-back on engine lurch-restraint struts
I undertook to report back on the fitting of engine-lurch struts to my 1985 300TD. Did they reduce the exhaust vibration problem which has bedevilled me since my indie removed my old worn-out struts long ago? Short answer: I don't know yet. But I will if you guys can help me with one last question. Getting the struts on was murder. Took several trips to the tool shop for wrenches small enough to work in the space available at the top end of the struts. However, they're fitted now, and I'm a little lighter in the knuckle-skin department. Started the engine and discovered, or should I say, rediscovered, an increased degree of engine vibration in the passenger cabin. Not intolerable but definitely noticeable. I'd forgotten how much less was transmitted with the struts removed. No lurch on shut-off though. I think I'd rather have less vibration. I'd cranked the securing nuts on the struts down to the limit of their travel. I'm wondering if perhaps I should back them off so that the rubber bushes are under less compression and can absorb more of the vibration. What do you think? Is it necessary to tighten the nuts as far as they will go? Or will that simply reduce the effectiveness of the struts? Grateful as ever for your advice Cheers Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 221 K mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Report-back on engine lurch-restraint struts
Rolf Yes, this is idle vibration. Tail-pipe is a blur unless I crank the idle-speed nob up to full. And yes, this is a RHD Euro wagon, and therefore non-turbo. Engine mounts have been changed many times. Not so sure about the trannie mounts though. Must check that. Cheers Euan I think you have other issues. All the engine mounts been replaced (including trans)? I forgot about your 5speed, this is a euro right? I know that as of 83 they still were lacking the extra sound deadening that the turbos had. This is idle vibration? Euan wrote: I undertook to report back on the fitting of engine-lurch struts to my 1985 300TD. Did they reduce the exhaust vibration problem which has bedevilled me since my indie removed my old worn-out struts long ago? Short answer: I don't know yet. But I will if you guys can help me with one last question. Getting the struts on was murder. Took several trips to the tool shop for wrenches small enough to work in the space available at the top end of the struts. However, they're fitted now, and I'm a little lighter in the knuckle-skin department. Started the engine and discovered, or should I say, rediscovered, an increased degree of engine vibration in the passenger cabin. Not intolerable but definitely noticeable. I'd forgotten how much less was transmitted with the struts removed. No lurch on shut-off though. I think I'd rather have less vibration. I'd cranked the securing nuts on the struts down to the limit of their travel. I'm wondering if perhaps I should back them off so that the rubber bushes are under less compression and can absorb more of the vibration. What do you think? Is it necessary to tighten the nuts as far as they will go? Or will that simply reduce the effectiveness of the struts? Grateful as ever for your advice Cheers Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 221 K mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com /div ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Help with bushing kit configuration for lurch-restraint struts, 1985 300TD
andrew Are you swapping out your struts? If so, how did you know you needed to do this? Yes, and no. Yes, I am replacing the struts.But no, I am not doing a take-'em-out-put-'em-in job. My indie threw away my old struts several years ago. He had checked them during an engine-mount replacement and found them to be knackered. Said that it wasn't worth the expense of replacing them since all they did was check the rate of engine-lurch on shut-off. Well, he might be right about that. But I've had this long-standing issue with exhaust vibration (tail-pipe is a blur at idle) which I have asked about here in the past. Every other fix has failed so I figure I might as well put these struts back in to see whether their absence has contributed to the problem. Who knows... the vibration came on reasonably quickly. Perhaps that was the point at which one or both of the struts had failed. I'll report back. Cheers Euan Andre 1983 hard jarring rear ended 1983 300TD Quasi 1985 300TD ISO engine swap to restore SLS On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: Screen shot from EPC is on its way... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Euan Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 11:42 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Help with bushing kit configuration for lurch-restraint struts, 1985 300TD My apologies if I have asked and received help on this topic previously. Does anyone have an exploded diagram of the lurch-restraints struts on a W123 300TD manual? I need to see the order in which the bushing-kit components fit to the strut and upper and lower mounts. The kit (A 123 240 00 17) came with one flat washer two cups four rubber bushes (slightly conical on one surface, flat on the other) two securing nuts Cheers and thanks Euan CHCH NZ 1985 300TD 5-speed manual 202K mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Help with bushing kit configuration for lurch-restraint struts, 1985 300TD
Thanks again Max. Image received. Yep, looks like the left-hand diagram all right. The bushes fit in a way altogether different from my guess. Just as well I asked, eh. Hey, your guys are going great guns at the Footie World Cup. If they continue like this, the tournament will become very interesting! Cheers Euan Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Screen shot from EPC is on its way... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Euan Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 11:42 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Help with bushing kit configuration for lurch-restraint struts, 1985 300TD My apologies if I have asked and received help on this topic previously. Does anyone have an exploded diagram of the lurch-restraints struts on a W123 300TD manual? I need to see the order in which the bushing-kit components fit to the strut and upper and lower mounts. The kit (A 123 240 00 17) came with one flat washer two cups four rubber bushes (slightly conical on one surface, flat on the other) two securing nuts Cheers and thanks Euan CHCH NZ 1985 300TD 5-speed manual 202K mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Help with bushing kit configuration for lurch-restraint struts, 1985 300TD
My apologies if I have asked and received help on this topic previously. Does anyone have an exploded diagram of the lurch-restraints struts on a W123 300TD manual? I need to see the order in which the bushing-kit components fit to the strut and upper and lower mounts. The kit (A 123 240 00 17) came with one flat washer two cups four rubber bushes (slightly conical on one surface, flat on the other) two securing nuts Cheers and thanks Euan CHCH NZ 1985 300TD 5-speed manual 202K mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Accelerator gas strut
Thanks for the responses about the anti-lurch engine struts for my W123 1985 300TD. Unfortunately I don't have a US address so I can't subscribe to epc.startekinfo.net. Could you check out another part for me please? It's the little gas strut on the throttle linkage. I have the part here (617 070 05 67). It looks like the original (which was numbered 617 070 _03_ 67). I need to know which way up it goes. The new part has an arrow pointing towards 'oben' (up) but that would mean the strut is upside down (i.e. female end down). That doesn't make sense. Mine is a 617 912 non-turbo diesel engine. Cheers and thanks Euan Christchurch New Zealand W123 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 220K mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Accelerator gas strut
Looks as though you're right, Max. I secured a copy of the EPC page from the local franchise. It shows the female end down. What the hell does this strut do anyway? It sure doesn't return the throttle to idle, which was the problem I've been trying to fix. Cheers, and thanks for your replies over time. Great to know you and the other guys are out there. Euan EPC shows the orientation that you describe. I recall having the same question on my 123.190 with five speed. Replaced it as old was worn out. Old was 'upside down' compared to marking and pictures, I wondered at the time if that was why it died. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Accelerator gas strut
Thanks Mitch I certainly don't need a problem with the pump. SWMBO is already thin-lipped enough about repairs to this wagon. Maybe I'll leave grease the whole works and take off the temporary spring I fitted to snap the throttle back to idle. Then we'll see if the pump needs attention. Cheers Euan What the hell does this strut do anyway? It sure doesn't return the throttle to idle, which was the problem I've been trying to fix. My 300D 2.5 does that. When I bought it, it was somewhat of a problem. After I left it parked for a couple of months, it wouldn't return much at all, and the thing would cruise 40mph at idle after I slapped the pedal a few times to slow it down. As near as I can tell, the problem is in the pump, not any of the linkage. The strut is supposed to damp out unintended motion in the throttle linkage which would make the car buck and surge with a manual transmission. If you orient the fat side down, it'll be less likely to leak out its oil. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123 engine-lurch gas struts
Nice to have you all back. Where y'all been recently? Haven't had a digest for weeks. I need to replace the two engine-lurch gas struts on my 617 912 diesel engine (1985 W123 300TD). I have a quote for the struts but the supplier also mentions a rubber kit for each side. Are these kits part of the strut package or something else altogether? My struts are missing so I can't check for myself. A parts diagram would certainly be appreciated Cheers Euan Christchurch NZ 1985 W123 300TD 5-speed manual 220K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123 seat travel (or, my wife's legs have become shorter)
UPDATE After putting the seat back in the wagon, the bloody problem has become worse! So obviously all the messing around, shoving the seat back and forwards on the garage floor, has altered something. I noticed that the height adjustment would sometimes result in the seat skewing sideways. Mumblef*k, this is annoying me. Euan Original posting Colleagues Here's an odd thing. My wife (not the odd thing at all) has been complaining for a while that she can no longer reach the pedals in our 300TD, even with the driver's seat fully forward. I've taken the seat out and checked the tracking channels for coins, obstructions etc, but there appears to be no problem there. Lubricated everything. No change. However, the passenger seat has an extraordinary amount of travel by comparison. This may be normal, of course, since there is no steering wheel limiting the range of movement. Have you guys encountered similar problems? And do your W123 seats have similar or different degrees of front-and-back adjustment? Thanks Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 219K mi CHCH NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Merry Christmas from the southern Colonies
I'm off shortly to spend Christmas with our colonial cousins to the west. And to rummage through the MB wreckers yards in Victoria. Also planning to visit the B-24 Liberator restoration project near Melbourne. In the meantime, I wish you all very best for Christmas and the New Year. Hope your family gatherings are memorable and relaxing. See you in the new year Regards Euan Christchurch NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Centrifugal advance thingamee - THANKS
Thanks Jim, and everyone else. I'll check this out in the new year and report back. Looking forward eagerly to whiplash acceleration at fuel-sipping rates of consumption. Regards Euan There is a centrifugally-activated timing advance unit on the front of the injection pump. It's what the timing chain wraps around. If the advance is wrong, power and mileage are adversely affected. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Centrifugal advance thingamee
Colleagues Yesterday, I discovered an MB breaker (we call 'em dismantlers or wreckers) living 30 mins from where I live. He has a yard full of MBs of various vintages, including round-tops and finnies. Most importantly, he had W123 240 and 300TDs, and rarest of all in New Zealand, TDTs. I thought I'd died and gone to Heaven. All those parts! Anyway, we got to discussing fuel consumption. He reckoned I should be getting 35+ mpg (imperial) out of my 1985 300TD. I haven't ever achieved that. Best I've done is about 30 mpg. He suggested that the centrifugal advance probably needed to be adjusted. I nodded in agreement, as you do when you haven't a phirking clue what someone is talking about. So, does this guy know what he's talking about, and if so, what is the centrifugal advance, and how does it affect power output and fuel consumption? Cheers Euan Christchurch, NZ 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 220K mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] What does a 123 TD exhaust system weigh?
Good folks Enough lurking. I've got a problem going away back years, for which I still have no solution. Long years ago, the exhaust system on my W123 300TD started hammering under the tailgate when the engine was idling. Nothing had been touched. It just started one day and has never stopped. The tailpipe is now a blur at idle. I replaced all the rubber rings with new MB parts but that made no difference. Nor did replacing the engine mounts. Since then, my Indy has tried rebalancing the system (he has the hoist, you see) so that it hangs evenly from front to rear. No joy. The only fix is to keep the revs high at idle, which is not natural and uses heaps of diesel. My theory is that the muffler is chokka with soot - 350,000 km's worth - and therefore seriously heavier than it should be. Anyone wise about this? Anyone know what a new system from manifold to tail-pipe should weigh? One day I'll get so fed-up I'll weigh mine. Cheers Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 218K mi Christchurch NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What does a 123 TD exhaust system weigh - Solutions
Thanks for the swift feedback. So, there are two proposed solutions check for idle problems replace the rubber bumper I replaced the injectors some time ago (maybe at about the time this problem started; maybe not). Perhaps there's an issue there. I'll check and report back. I don't see how replacing the one rubber bumper I have will make any difference. Its function is to cope with extreme travel by the exhaust system, not sit snug up against the system permanently. Or am I wrong about? An endless succession of pimply adolescent fixers at exhaust franchises recommended ratcheting the system up against the rubber bumper full-time, and I foolishly allowed one to do this. The whole bloody wagon became a thrumming vibration box. It was intolerable. I'm not going there again. Cheers Euan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?
Luther will refuse a gov't mandated GPS all the way to the Supreme Court Especially if Mrs Luther has access to GPS data ;-) Euan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] How's your diesel taxed?
Colleagues in Alms The NZ government is reviewing the way taxes are levied on diesel sales. And not before time. We have a hugely cumbersome system called Road User Charges (RUC) designed to apportion the cost of maintaining roads fairly among mobile diesel users. Owners of stationary diesel plant don't have to pay the tax. Unlike petrol users who pay their tax at the pump, we diesel users have to buy their tax separately, usually at the end of long queues at post offices. We are levied in advance on distance travelled and the fully laden weight of our vehicles. As you can imagine, multi-axle trucks pay big money because they do more damage to our roads. My 300TD is in the 3-tonne class. For 3107 miles (5000 km), I pay $NZ190. Believe it or not, that includes a bloody service fee of $10. A fee to pay to a tax?!! Once I calculate the tax paid per mile travelled, the pump-price differential between petrol and diesel ** closes very significantly. If, as it does sometimes, the differential vanishes altogether, the only economic benefit of running a diesel becomes the longer distances travelled per litre. So, how are diesel taxes levied in your neck of the wood? Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 215K mi ** [NZ pump prices today (urban centres) -- $0.99c / ltr diesel; $1.55c / ltr 91 octane petrol ] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Becker Europa tractor-tuning issues
For quite some time now, the rubber tractor-tread tuning mechanism on my Becker Europa radio has been slipping badly. Tuning is a nightmare. The radio tunes up or down regardless of which way I twiddle the tread. Is there a fix for this? It strikes me as being a mechanical rather than an electronic problem. But perhaps the radio tuning is kaputt. Thanks Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 215K m Christchurch NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jittery W123 speedo
Doesn't resemble anything attached to my speedo, Andrew Euan I found it on ebay! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-w123-Speedometer-Sender-300d-240d-280d-300td_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQitemZ120369676676QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ht_3210wt_828 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jittery W123 speedo - LUBRICATION
I'm probably wrong but it is my understanding that things can't be lubricated. Which would be daft 'cos the mechanism spends its life drying out in a dashboard roasted by sun, radio equipment and the internal heating system. As I say, I'm probably wrong. Euan andrew strasfogel wrote: D'OH! At least I didn't buy now, ask later. I'm beginning to think that what I need to do is sensitively lube inside the speedo, since the cable is new and therefore blameless. If someone wants to argue me out of this, have at it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jittery W123 speedo
I've replaced the outer sleeve once. Don't remember how long ago, but I do remember that it didn't alter the regularity with which I've been replacing the inner cable since. By 'regularity', I mean once every 2-3 years. The instruments experts I sent my speedo to for testing and lubricating could not fault the mechanism, and could not replicate the jitter on the test bench. I don't have a spare diesel speedo I can fit to //test where the fault lies. I have several in instrument clusters for petrol wagons (now minus oil pressure gauges), but these are calibrated for higher speeds. I'm assuming that these would not be suitable for an /in situ/ test of my diesel wagon gear Euan CHCH NZ Is there anything inside the speedometer itself that could case it to be jittery, assuming the cable is PERFECT? On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:07 PM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Euan, Just to make sure, Are you replacing the complete cable, inner flex and outer sleeve or just the inner flex drive? If you are doing just the inner flex then it could be that the outer cover needs to be replaced as it may be too worn and causing the inner flex drive to get damaged very quickly. Manfred -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090319/9198fb66/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jittery W123 speedo
Hi Andrew I'll be interested in replies to this. I've lived with a jittery speedo since an indy barbarian screwed up a speedo recalibration 180,000 miles ago. The fix has always been to replace the cable. In all other respects, everything seems to be fine. Cable takes the correct path from go-to-wo, and the speedo itself has checked out OK. However, it seems to me that I'm replacing the cable far too often. The jitter problem is most accentuated during summer when the wagon (normally garaged) sees more of the sun on the dashboard. Cheers Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 215K mi Christchurch NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] A Nissan-ed W123?
Gentlemen How does this strike you as a conversion? http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=205123840 Well, at least he's up-front about the lack of certification on his engineering. Looks tidy though. Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 214K mi CHCH NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Windshield chip repair?
Alex I'm afraid this answer won't help you directly but it may set you in the right direction. Here in New Zealand we have at least windscreen repair franchise which specialises in concealing cracks and chips in windscreen glass. They do this by injecting some sort of quick-drying liquid into the injury then shaving the fix flat so that the windscreen wiper sweep is not affected. Cracks and dings disappear from view. Show us your crack' is their marketing slogan. These franchises amust have equivalents in your neck of the woods. Good luck Euan CHCH NZ What's the best treatment for a small rock chip in the windshield? With all the snow here in the PNW there's a lot of gravel on the roads and the 300D got a good peppering today. It's not the typical white spot at the point of impact, with an asterisk of cracks around it, that you would expect, but rather an oval divot in the glass about 1/16 long and 1/32 deep---from the inside it looks like a drop of water that won't wipe off. With no associated crack, I don't suppose it will spread, but I would really like to minimize its visibility since it's right at eye level and supremely distracting. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT HDMI cable
Can't advise you on cable substitutes, Randy, but the question is familiar. Many major retail chains in NZ try this on rookie HD purchasers. Compete for price on the TV, then win back a comfortable margin by spooking punters into outrageously expensive purchases of what should be in the box as of right. These additional costs qualify as And, by the way, you'll also need this $150 cable rip-offs. It's like selling a car without a steering wheel. Don't indulge these pricks. Euan CHCH NZ R A Bennell wrote: OK, I just bought a Blue-ray disc player for my wife for Christmas. She said, if she did not get it for Christmas, she would buy one on boxing day. I'm not stupid. I might as well get it now. Question relates to the HDMI cable that one needs to connect the player to the TV. Store wanted $150 for this silly 3 foot long cable. Sounds like robbery to me. Anyone have ideas or opinions on the matter? Can I get something just as good for less at everyone's favourite store (hint - name starts with Wal-M...)? Is it necessary to buy expensive cable to get good quality picture etc etc? Anyone with experience out there? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 brake fade
Guys I really appreciate the advice you're posting here. The road(s) I'm fading on are typically very steep, long descents, with plenty of hairpin bends which require frequent further reductions in speed. Travelling these descents in 2nd gear would have my engine screaming. But actually, I know in my guts that you're right about that. I'll change the brake fluid and check the brake booster for starters. Then look at the pads and rotors (we call them disks). Then I'll report back if I survive the test drives. Cheers, and thanks Euan PS Thanks for the purchase offer but this lady ain't for sale. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123 brake fade
Colleagues Brake fade may be familiar to most you as a concept but this weekend, I encountered it for real. And not for the first time. My 5-spd manual 1985 300TD suffers brake fade quite conspicuously on long winding descents, even at relatively slow speeds. The speed is slow because I descend in 3rd gear, usually adopting the truckies' practice of braking the wagon on the engine with short, periodic use of the brakes to bring speed down further. I do not ride the brakes all the way down hills. This weekend I had four souls on board. Not a big load by any means. So, what's causing this? The rotors are MB standard issue (not machined down at all). The pads are (to my knowledge) MB-approved (that is, not some after-market crap by Kamakusa) but soft rather than hard compound. I experimented with harder pads once but removed them as unsatisfactory (noisy and less efficient, if I recall correctly). Is there anything else I can check? Thanks Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 213K mi CHCH NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Warbirds over the White Cliffs of Dover
I believe the clipped wings were first introduced on the MkV variants, themselves a response to the formidable Bf109F. The shorter wing accelerated roll-rate and manoeuvrability in low altitude combat (though not so low, one assumes, that the shorter wings became necessary to avoid the ground). One of the Spitfires with clipped wings is a later variant. Mk XIV with a tear-drop canopy? Sounds like a RR Griffon or Packard Merlin engine. Euan CHCH NZ I also wonder how much difference the clipped wing tips make -- or did he loose them to ground loops? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Update on the hesitation steering
Haven't tested my wagon to that extent, Mitch, but it's noticeably more difficult to steer. Enough to register as a hestitation under normal operating conditions, I should think. Euan So how hard is it to steer with the engine off? I back my 16v down a hill and turn around before starting the engine usually, it's kind of heavy, but not bad if it's rolling when I turn. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Euan
Hi Manfred My wagon doesn't have a tachometer unfortunately. I'd much rather have one of those than the clock the size of Big Ben. Can a clock/tacho dial be retro-fitted ? Have you checked to see if the transmission mount is still good? The transmission mount has been replaced in the past, without making any difference. This shuddering, juddering business has been a feature of the wagon since Day One (which for me was 29000 miles on the clock). Thanks for the interest Euan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Euan's 5spd 123.190
Hi there, Max Yes, I remember our conversations. Thanks for your comments this time too. Apart from a thrust bearing renewal last year, nothing has been touched in the clutch. It's the original. Another possible cause (that I learned about in intervening years) would be an incorrect clutch disc - do you know if your's was ever replaced? The 240D version can cause an intolerable juddering when installed in a 300D/TD (four springs vs. five in the 5cyl clutch disc). The flywheel explanation came from a diesel engineer acquaintance who's been very keen to buy the wagon. This chap believes that the flywheels in 300TDs of this vintage were too heavy. But what that implies for this juddering feedback is beyond me, I'm afraid. Were a lower ratio diff to be fitted, what would that mean for fuel consumption on the highway, I wonder? Cheers Euan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Update on the hesitation steering
It's been some time since I last reported on the problem I had with my steering freezing momentarily. The fix, you'll recall, was to adjust the power steering belt to eliminate slippage. Well, that seems to have been the correct diagnosis. Wet or dry, there's been no recurrence of steering freeze at all. That's quite some relief, I assure you. Cheers Euan CHCH NZ 1985 300TD 5-pd manual 213K mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Weird attack of sluggishness - W123 300TD
Andrew I'm just catching up with this thread. Sorry if I'm covering old ground. I've experienced a similar power loss on the highway. My wagon simply ran out of grunt without prior warning of any kind. It was indeed algae in the fuel. Now I have a cheap clear plastic fuel filter fitted inline in the engine bay where I can inspect it regularly. Finding a biocide was a bit tricky at the time -- the fuel companies couldn't help (didn't want to admit they might have water in their fuel) -- but I'm sure the treatments are more readily available now. So, check your fuel filters! Euan CHCH NZ 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 213K mi My mechanic says to check for algae in the tank, or a clogged inline fuel filter. The awkward part is that to make the problem appear, I need to drive at high speeds for X minutes, and the risk getting rear ended when I slow down to a crawl while on the (uphill) exit ramp. What I don't get is why the car performs flawlessly on hilly terrain until I take it out for a 60+ mph spin. Which of the suggested underlying causes best dovetails with this observed behavior? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Euan
This is dangerous, Rolf. I could bore you cross-eyed on this subject. The wagon was manufactured with this transmission. The PO (a Brit padre with an RAF Tornado squadron in Holland) selected that option at the Dutch assembly plant he toured with his options tick-sheet. I bought the wagon from him after he emigrated to the Colonies in 1987. It had 29000 miles on it then. Because I like to *drive* my cars, I particularly wanted the manual transmission and was very lucky indeed to find this one. 300TDs are rare here and most are auto trans. It was for these reasons, I suspect, that *all* the dealers I spoke to about the asking price said the same thing: It's a diesel! For God's sake, man, forget it! It's non-turbo? Are you serious? Manual transmission?!! guffaw It's a dog! Don't touch it. Well, I did and it ain't. But it does have a few peculiarities which I suspect you auto-trans drivers won't be familiar with (or would tolerate). These may be generic to manual trans 300TDs: First, and most obviously, the engine is sensitive to low revs. Which means that revs always have to kept high, especially in gears 3-5. If not revving adequately, the transmission gives you instant feedback in the form of juddering. I'm told this is something to do with the fly-wheel but I'm not qualified to comment on that. This feature of the wagon appears to be a design flaw. Although I have learned to adjust revs and gear shifting to avoid this feedback, it's the single-most disappointing aspect of this otherwise charming wagon. Second, the harmonic damper on the short driveshaft is twice the mass of your auto dampers. So, the rubber spokes work harder and fracture more readily. Because the manual trans TDs are relatively few, it's been *extremely* difficult to find replacement dampers (MB does not sell them without the full driveshaft). If the juddering was bad with the damper intact, it's unbearable with no damper at all. Third, in my wagon, the gearing is exceptionally long-legged. This is a car built for cruising the autobahns, not suburbia. So, to stay within the 50kph urban speed limits here, it's necessary to jockey up and down from 3rd to 4th gear all the time, to keep the dreaded feedback at bay. Apart from these issues, and the normal aches and pains of late adolescence, this wagon is marvellous. Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 213K mi Interesting, tell me more. Was this a DIY conversion? I saw a 300TD 5spd @ the Stuttgart MBZ Museum. It was beautiful. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bouncing speedometer needle
My 300TD has experienced a succession of bouncing speedo needles, most noticeable (annoying) at low speeds. The fixes suggested on this forum over the years have almost always stressed the wisdom of buying a new cable (the insert). It worked for me, was cheap, and was easy to fit. I had a new cable outer fitted once. Not so easy or cheap. I believe the inners stick at the speedo end of the business. This is where dashboard heat, especially in the sun, really cooks up the works and dries things out. Buy a new inner. That's what Marshall would have said. Cheers Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 210K mi Christchurch NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Steering lock-ups - latest update
Hi folks You might recall that I posted here a week or so ago, asking whether anyone else had experienced occasional momentary steering lock-ups (hesitations, really) while driving. My MB fixer (an Indy I believe you would call him) is a great adherent to the Occam's Razor principle (the simplest answer is likely to be the right one). He has started off with the assumption that a loose fan belt is to blame. So far so good. There has been no recurrence of the lock-ups. I'll report back if there's any progression from this fix. Cheers Euan CHCH, NZ 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 209K mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Steering lock-ups - latest update
Good point, Jim. Apologies if I caused confusion. These lock-ups are certainly detectable but only momentary. So, it's hard to describe precisely what's happened. For that fleeting moment, the wagon is operating independently of my steering intentions, in a fashion not dissimilar to hitting a patch of ice on the road while turning. In this case, there is no loss of traction, of course. A brief failure of power-steering input would produce an effect similar to a momentary lock-up. 'Hesitation' is a more ambiguous term for the phenomenon. Euan You didn't say 'hesitations' before. Had us all thrown. -- Jim /div ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Hard on the nerves - my steering locks-up in transit
Hi good people Increasingly often of late, the steering on my (RHD) 1985 300TD has locked up momentarily, usually when I'm turning right. Once when turning left. After one particularly unnerving lock-up in heavy traffic, I was not alone in my trousers, I can tell you! My guess is that the problem is related to a worn-out ignition/steering lock. But I'm keen to know if anyone has a different explanation. If it's the lock mechanism, I assume that MB supplies customised replacements, so I don't have to replace all four locks on the wagon? Cheers Euan CHCH NZ 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 206K mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Follow-up: growling in 300TD manual gearbox at neutral
Hi there colleagues Long time ago, I posted a message asking what might have suddenly caused the harsh growling in my 1985 300TD 5-speed gearbox when the wagon is idling at neutral. Wiggling the gear stick in the gates at neutral intensifies the growling. Now I'm reporting on progress. * My very experienced MB fixer has drained the fluid and found nothing metallic in it. That's good. * He suggested dismantling the gearbox for a look-see but that was going to cost more than the wagon's nominal market value. Besides, he didn't think replacement parts would be found easily Lucky I baulked at this suggestion. Since then, he's had a 240D manual trans with the same but very much more pronounced symptoms. Dismantling the gearbox revealed nothing untoward, and the symptoms were still there when the box was put back into car. Bet that pleased the 240D owner. Now the thinking is that the growling is 'referred' noise transmitted into the gearbox from clutch plates vibrating after full or partial failure of their dampening spring mechanisms (dampening in these old diesels being rather rudimentary but a particular necessity). I don't know too much about this, never having seen a clutch-plate assembly in the raw. Doesn't sound quite as expensive to fix. Do any of you have experience of this enough to comment? Thanks Euan Christchurch NZ 1985 300TD 5-speed manual 207K mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Are 240TD parts suitable for 300TDs?
Happy New Year from the Colonies While holidaying over New Year, I discovered a weary-looking 1981 240TD 4-spd manual parked off the drive in a neighbouring property. After running its owner to ground, I learned that he was about to send it to the crusher. It's done only 400K mi but has not been well maintained. Blows a bit of smoke and the paintwork is pretty dire (as well as being faded, it's a hideous canary yellow). No rust as far as I could see. Given that W123 wagons are relatively rare in New Zealand, it grieves me to see anything with salvageable parts go to the crusher. So I made encouraging noises to the owner about buying it from him, for parts. Question is though, are body panels, lights, seats, windows, doors, exhaust system etc (i.e., anything other than engine and drive-train) interchangeable with my 1985 300TD? Given that SWMBO will not look fondly upon any such acquisition, hell-bent as she is to dispose of the 300TD, I'd have to be sure that my arguments were sound Thanks for your advice Euan CHCH NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Happy Christmas everyone
Well, it's definitely midnight plus one (or so) here in the Antipodean latitudes. All the very best for Christmas. Safe travels, and have a very pleasant time with your families. Thanks for the discussions, advice, admonitions and society throughout 2007. I look forward to more of the same in 2008. Euan Christchurch (sweltering) NZ 1985 300TD 5-spd manual Me? I'm just hoping for an affordable gearbox fix in the new year. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD man-tran has a harsh growl in neutral
If it goes AWAY (possibly after a couple of seconds' delay) when you put your foot ON the clutch and comes BACK when you release OFF the pedal, my guess is a bad input shaft bearing. This is the opposite symptom of a release/throwout bearing failure, which would be audible when your foot is ON the clutch but usually goes away when you are OFF. Ditto for a pilot bushing, which would be noisy only when the clutch pedal is depressed. Thanks David (and Gerry). I had the throwout bearing done at the beginning of the year, and the symptoms are not the same here. More clues... It's definiitely in the gearbox. I had someone else mess about with the clutch while I listened, and the noises (horrible) are gearbox-related. Also, when I move the gear stick in the gate towards first or second (clutch out), the noises become more audible. Meantime, the wagon's off the road until the New Year when my fixer can take a look. We'll drain the fluids first and look for 'bits'. And we'll use the old Hilux to travel on our Christmas break. I've already made the appointment with the chiropractor for when we return. Euan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 300TD man-tran has a harsh growl in neutral
Hi there folks My 1985 300TD 5-spd manual developed a harsh metallic growl yesterday. It growls when the engine is running, with the clutch (unfamiliar to most of you, I guess) out and the gearbox in neutral (of course). Happened all of a sudden, and is most audible (read, very audible) at idle. Doesn't sound to me as though the growl originates in the gearbox anywhere near the cabin. Sounds much further forward than that, well into the engine bay. Any ideas? Cheers, and Happy (growl-free) Christmas to you all. Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 208K mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread [APOLOGIES]
Yeah, sorry, Bob. My fault. I guess it *was* a little insensitive. I didn't intend it to be an oil thread (see my original posting) - just a quick smash-and-grab for clarification. Euan Christchurch NZ It's kinda creepy having an oil thread so soon after Marshall's passing. It's kinda like being a kid and cussing when you know your parents are out of the room. (heavy sigh...) Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Oh, all right then, it IS an oil thread
Hi folks Down here in the Colonies, Mobil 1 synthetic oil is available (in exchange for body parts) but in a desperately poor range of options. So, I'm obliged to fall back on the MB specs data on the rear panels for guidance. Should I be looking for oil meeting *229.1* or *229.3* criteria? I have a 1985 300TD non-turbo (OM617.912) Thanks Euan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] NOT an oil thread!
Hi folks Down here in the Colonies, Mobil 1 synthetic oil is available (for body-parts prices) but in a desperately poor range of options. So, I'm obliged to fall back on the MB specs data on the rear panels for guidance. Should I be looking for oil meeting *229.1* or *229.3* criteria? I have a 1985 300TD non-turbo (OM617.912) Thanks Euan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD
It'll be on the high side only if you're a buyer, Tom ;-) Is there any sign of tidy late-model 300TD non-turbos *appreciating* in price these days? The market here in the smaller colonies is too limited to give an indication (not enough are traded to register). Her Indoors has been banging on about selling ours (205K mi) and is not wholly convinced by my argument that its value is rising because it's a classic now. I've contemplated putting it into storage for a few years, but the costs of storage would have to be offset by the rise in market value. Cheers Euan Christchurch New Zealand The source is dealer sales history that is reported back to NADA, which will be on the high side for these cars. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Brown Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 7:03 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 300TD One of the other listers provided the NADA site awhile back: http://www.nadaguides.com/LinkedValues.asp?UserID=550B38928947CDID=39391Li nkId=7499wPg=1109 They list the following retail:LowMediumHigh '82 TD turbo $5150$9100 $13550 '85 TD turbo $5450$9400 $13950 I realize that many on the list probably believe these prices to be high, but what's the source? G. M. Brown Brevard, NC _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD
Except in RHD countries. Turbo and steering gear couldn't find room for one another. Euan Christchurch New Zealand 78-80 was non turbo, 81 had both turbo and non-turbo, 82-85 was turbo. I think there are more turbos out than non-turbo --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: M G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:34 PM Subject: [MBZ] 300TD Does anyone know if all the 300TDs were turbo or were most of them non turbo? Thanks, Manfred _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PCI-express
PCI-e supersedes PCI and is the latest alternative to AGP as the slot standard for video (and other?) cards in PCs. So today, when you're buying a video card for your PC, you have to check first whether your motherboard has PCI or PCI-e slots (if it's not an AGP model, that is). Only the later motherboards will be PCI-e. I think PCI-e is more advanced and faster. That's all I know. Euan CHCH NZ div class=moz-text-flowedWOW, I'm so far behind in the technology wave that I don't have a clue what PCI-express is. I've spent half the morning learning the tech advances of the last 2 1/2 years. Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Aussie Senator
Luther wrote: The stupidity of this Senator is hilarious! Round and round that the front fell off. Silly bloke! http://www.break.com/index/the-front-fell-off.html Actually, this is not an Aussie senator, but the very well known Kiwi comedian, John Clarke, acting as one. A great example of Clarke's persuasive dead-pan humour. He is now resident in Australia but not averse to taking the piss out of Ockers or his own countrymen Euan CHCH NZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up
Blow by? What is 'blow by'? Euan CHCH NZ Open the oil fill cap when running. If smoke pours out then your blow by probably has finally exceeded what the system can handle crankcase pressure os pushing the oil out somewhere. This test does not work on some BMW's or Volvos as they ran positive crankcase pressure. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Transmission mount for W123 exhaust system
Hi there Colleague Benzers The tail-pipe end of the exhaust system on my 300TD is still thrashing around. The constant tattoo on the car-body is driving me nuts. Tell me, does the transmission-mounted bracket for the exhaust system contain any form of vibration dampening? Or is it just a rigid metal bracket? Mine has no dampening apparatus at all (I'm thinking perhaps that some exhaust-franchise cretin has discarded it, if it was ever there). Thanks for your help Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 206K mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Makes your job look dull..
Actually, I thought the chopper pilot had the more stressful job. Not only does s/he have to hover the machine VERY close to a primary killer of helicopters (wires of any description) but s/he is responsible for three lives, not just one. Euan CHCH NZ
Re: [MBZ] Happy birthday to my car...
Christopher McCann wrote: Anyone know the date or VIN of the last OM617 powered MB made? The last model year was 1985, correct? Christopher I recall the PO of my 300TD (617.912) telling me it rolled off the production line in late November 1985. I also recall a site suggested by an MBZer here (or maybe it was on the excellent MB Spares site in Sydney) which indicated that the very last 300TDs were manufactured in January 1986. Could be wrong about that. Cheers Euan Christchurch NZ
[MBZ] Hard points for 'axle' stands, W123 300 TD
Hi there I was thinking of buying two sets of vehicle stands for my 1985 300TD. But where are the hard points on my vehicle? Seems to me that under the normal jack points on the running board is a little dodgy since there is nothing to stop the wagon from slipping off the jacks. Any advice for a bimbo in these matters? Thanks Euan Christchurch NZ 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 205K mi
Re: [MBZ] Belleville washers - THANKS BUT...
But, I can't see how these washers (present, inverted, broken or absent) can cause or contribute to the frantic vibration in the exhaust system. Someone on the list mentioned them in a posting last year as a possible factor. Nor do I. Are you sure all the mounts are there and functional? Especially the set in the middle that tie to the transmission? -- Jim No Jim, I'm not sure but I'm gonna go lookin'. It's the one thing I haven't checked properly. Thanks for your helpful suggestions. I'll report back. Euan
Re: [MBZ] Belleville washers, 300TD - THANKS, BUT...
Hi guys Thanks for your responses about Belleville washers. I am better informed (again). But, I can't see how these washers (present, inverted, broken or absent) can cause or contribute to the frantic vibration in the exhaust system. Got me beat. Euan PS Unfortunately, Barry, I only have a Haynes manual for my wagon. No CDs.
[MBZ] Belville washers, 300TD
Hi guys A wee while ago, I posted a message about my exhaust system (1985 300TD non-turbo) which is thrashing itself to fracture-point. Somewhere, somehow, there's an originating vibration which manifests itself at the tailpipe (a blur at idle). Currently, to avoid the incessant hammering on the vehicle's underside, I'm running the idle revs at full twist on the dashboard idle control. (Unsuccessful) fixes so far: * renewed all engine mounts * balanced the mufflers on their four suspension rubbers (MB stock) and re-aligned the pipe to the balanced position Next fixes: * adjust valve clearances * check the belville washers But what the heck are belville washers? Does anyone have a picture or parts image of them? Thanks Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 205K mi
Re: [MBZ] OSX USERS
This could turn into a long thread. I'm one of the millions of OS 9 + Mac users who go uncounted these days. I use OS X too. These are not cheap platforms in NZ since our retailers trade at the end of a very long piece of string. By necessity (the girls' schools and my University use PCs only) , we also have a Windows machine on our home network. I use the PC with my teeth clenched. Windows XP makes possible features I have longed for on the Mac (the two-button mouse, for instance) but it's otherwise a shabby piece of junk, in my view. Whereas OS 9 + and X are miracles of carefully thought-out, user-friendly, seamlessly functioning software, it's frankly a miracle that the creaking code of WXP runs at all on self-conflicted PCs. Example: a clean reinstall on my Mac routinely takes maybe 30 minutes and wipes only the system software. My recent clean reinstall on the PC took 4 hours (it trashed everything on my HD), then a further 3 days of my time and 2 days of a professional fixer's time to rectify the conflicts which arose subsequently. Ultimately we had to purchase a new video card because the old one would no longer run - a $450 reinstall! [On top of the endless financial haemorrhaging for component upgrades]. And you know what the most remarkable thing is? PC users put up with this crap! Macs are the Mercedes of the computer world - owned by prudent people who cherish quality and durability over the thrill of cheap capital outlays. Euan CHCH NZ
Re: [MBZ] Reserve Fuel Can
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Reserve Fuel Can From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:57:05 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com the only time I have seen them were for certain older models and they were VERY expensive. Did you get one for newer cars? My 1985 (European) 300TD came with one. Whether the previous owner selected this as an option on his factory tick-sheet I don't know. Which reminds me. It must just about be time to refresh the diesel. Euan CHCH NZ
[MBZ] What's a 300TD worth in the colonies? (was: trembling on the brink...)
I agree with Hendrik. Up here in NZ, you hardly ever see these wagons for sale. Mine is insured for $ NZ9500 but as the salesman/valuer said, I could only expect to receive that from someone who was already keen on classic Mercedes wagons. Until I had it re-assessed for agreed-value insurance purposes, my insurance company figured it was worth about $NZ3500 - 4000 tops. Needless to say, revaluation was essential, to avoid the insurance company writing it off in the event of minor panel damage. Fact is, no-one knows what a good model is really worth. A good indication, however, is that every time I attend a car- boot sale (trunk, for you guys down there), there is more interest in the wagon than in my goods. Also get about 2-3 inquiries on average on and off the street each year. Mind you, mine's a reasonably tidy example. Cheers Euan - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trembling on the brink of (t)reason what's a nice 123 wagon selling for down there?
[MBZ] Trembling on the brink of (t)reason
Hi there family Yesterday, I parked beside the rarest of rarities in NZ. A 1979 280TE, NZ-new, 2 owners, auto-trans with ... wait for it... 50 K original miles on the clock. And the owners may be thinking of selling it. So in the even rarer event that SWMBO would agree to owning a second W123 estate, I'm all-atremble at the prospect of making an offer for it. But first I need wise counsel. Aside from the obvious differences (petrol = thirsty but gruntier - no more making written applications to overtake on the highway), how do the 280 TEs differ from my cherished 300TD? What kinds of problems are endemic to this breed? I noticed also that, at rest, this beauty rode a lot higher in the rear than my 205K mile wagon. Why would that be, do you think? Will the imminent replacement of my suspension struts jack my butt up too? Thanks Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 205K mi
Re: [MBZ] Process for installing 30TD's rear suspension struts - THANKS
This section of the service manual doesn't directly show what needs to be done, but there's enough information to be useful. http://www.bruckmann.com/32-501.pdf Marshall Thanks indeed Marshall, Richard and other respondents. I appreciate the advice Sorry about the slow acknowledgement (been out of town). Cheers Euan CHCH NZ
Re: [MBZ] Process for installing 300TD's rear suspension struts
Thanks Richard. Yes, I thought the silence was ominous. The replacement is necessary because our Warrant of Fitness authorities deem any leak of hydraulic fluid from suspension systems as an automatic 'FAIL'. Invoking Mercedes leak-tolerances falls on deaf ears. Worse still, the FAIL is registered nationally on the WOF computer system so that I cannot take the wagon elsewhere (a back-country mechanic, for instance) for a more sympathetic re-test. The lower strut mounts on my wagon are dripping hydraulic fluid, though the reservoir is not noticeably short of the stuff. The evidence suggests strongly that the struts are leaking. Having obtained replacements from Australia (a little closer than Rusty's supply shop), I'll be hugely irritated if the leaks originate elsewhere. The struts cost me $350 Australian ouch, (sorry, each). That scandalised SWMBO and brought conjugal access to an abrupt halt; but it was substantially better than the $NZ1100 each quoted here by the MB franchise in NZ. I don't have an MB service manual unfortunately. That's why I have to keep pestering you erstwhile chaps. Regards Euan Euan, Not loads of people answering this, because it is a very expensive and often un-necessary job. So I will ask the obvious, what makes you think you need to replace them? IF they are not leaking fluid in excess of the Mercedes ratings, they are not bad. A bouncy or hard ride is not the test for these units, only the leak. Everything else is caused by another component or two. The struts (hydraulic cylinders) are replaced from underneath, the carpet etc in the vicinity of the top of the cylinders must be removed, but little else. See the manual for a better description. Summer is here as well, went fishing on MLK birthday, it was over 70 F, and very sunny. Richard Mercedesless in Morgan Township
[MBZ] Process for installing 300TD's rear suspension struts
Hi there colleagues Happy New Year from the Antipodes. Don't know how your winters are progressing, but this summer, we're having a mild winter. Warrant of Fitness tests are imminent so it's time to install the new rear suspension struts on my 1985 300TD. I don't intend to fit them myself but I would like to safe precious funds by preparing as much of the vehicle as possible. Saves paying my MB-fixer to do what I can myself. So, what's the plan? I gather that the struts are installed from within. Presumably this means tearing out all the luggage compartment flooring and panels? Anyone done this before? Cheers Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 204K mi
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
Don't mess about with anything other than the designated donuts for your Benz.. They're the right size and rubber composition for your system. Generic donuts or road-side salvages will have your muffler swinging about worse than a hot day's scrotum [pardon my turn-of-phrase]. Euan CHCH NZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question There should be 4 rubber donuts. they can be put on by hand. You can get replacements at flaps (don't know how good those are.) Or its one item i'd consider buying from a dealer cause they'd have em and you should be able to walk out with 2 or 3 for $20. Or, you can order them from Rusty and get good ones at a reasonable price. If you on.ly replace the missing one(s) now, I'd consider replacing the rest, or all with new ones from Rusty in the next month or two.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 13, Issue 101
Sure is. We're right in the middle of it (1 pm). Euan Euan, Is it Boxing Day there now? Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Bissell Cove Wickford RI 02852
[MBZ] Christmas greetings from the Antipodes
It's the evening of Christmas Eve here in the colonies. I hope you guys (and gals) have a very relaxing Christmas with your families. And thanks for all the fine advice received during the year. Look forward to communicating with you in 2007. Regards Euan Christchurch New Zealand
[MBZ] Prolonging the glow for a better start
Hi folks Bimbo questions, while we're on the subject of glow-plugs... My cold-start woes continue. Rugged, lumpy, smoky starts until things warm up. Long gone is the almost instant settling-down to a steady tremble (sigh). The glow-plugs all test OK for current. So, assuming that they're all glowing in unison, will it help if I wait longer (after the dash lamp expires) before firing up? Or do the plugs shut down when the lamp goes off? Is the glow duration fixed or do the plugs continue to draw current until the critical temperature is reached? If my battery was a little tired, a fixed glow-duration would suggest the possibility of sub-optimal starting temperatures, and therefore, rough start-ups. No? Euan 1985 300TD 5-speed manual 203K mi
[MBZ] Rack damper bolt photos
Amigos Sorry to re-ignite this debate... A thoughtful Benzer posted photographs recently of the two rack damper bolts (grey and bronze) which were the centre of so much discussion. Could someone to e-mail me a copy please, and/or a photo of the pump with the bolt installed? Thanks Euan CHCH NZ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[MBZ] Vacuum problems with engine shut-off
Just a short note to say that after several hours of squirming and contorting under the dash to follow vacuum lines, I (having no MityVac) failed to find any fracture which would explain the annoying run-on of my engine after I'd switched off. The problem proved to be the diaphragm in the gizmo on top of the injection pump housing. So my MB fixer says. Cheers Euan CHCH NZ 1985 300TD 5-spd manual
[MBZ] Part number for 617.912 engine shocks
Hi there colleagues in alms Can someone with the relevant EPC please dig out the part numbers for the two little gas-strut dampers either side of the engine block in my 1985 300TD (non-turbo)? My MB-fixer has removed the old ones (said they were stuffed) to take the downstream vibration out of the exhaust system. By my logic, the struts should dampen the engine-block vibration down; removing them must surely free the block up to /generate /vibrations. Thanks indeed in advance. Euan Christchurch NZ
Re: [MBZ] Part number for 617.912 engine shocks - Bellvilles
Barry Thanks for your helpful reply. Now that you mention it, I do believe my fixer saying a long time ago that the struts functioned exactly as you say. Yes, all the engine mounts have been renewed very recently. But we haven't ever looked at the Bellville washers. To my knowledge (18 years of owning this glorious wagon), the header pipe has never been detached. Could the washers malfunction anyway? Or maybe, just maybe, one of those dawky pimpled butchers employed habitually by exhaust-fix franchises pulled things apart on a previous fix? Cheers Euan Christchurch NZ Euan - Save your money ,and maybe go to a knowledgeable M/B fixer. All the little shocks do is to dampen out the shaking when you shut off the engine, high compressions engines shudder a bit as they stop. Have you replaced all three engine mounts lately? How about the Bellville washers on your header pipe, are they assembled correctly and tightened per the instructions in the manual?
[MBZ] 300TD engine shut-off (or not)
Hi there colleague Benzers My 300TD has started to run on when I switch off. Because this happens mostly when the engine is cold and grumpy, I'm assuming (based on a recent thread) that it's a vacuum problem. I'm completely ignorant of how the pneumatic system shuts the engine down, so I'd be grateful if anyone knows where to start looking for the leak. Thanks Euan 1985 300TD 5-spd manual 203K mi
