from:"dseretakis"

I thought they were OEM to Mercedes?

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 Anyone know anything about these guys?
 
 I ask because they sell a lot of springs, and are less expensive than MB by a 
 bit.
 
 I need to put a new set of rear springs on the S500 (W140) coupe, and I was 
 considering them as a supplier.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Parts

You guys shouldn't discount the Classic Center. You get 15-20% off with MBCA 
discount and you are guaranteed to get quality. No BS.

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 Dr. Fatty has been mentioned.  If you like abuse, you can try him.
 
 The abuse is totally classic and expected.  I like it, I expect it.
 Too bad banned is dead.
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Re: [MBZ] Parts

There is a shipping charge but nothing out of the ordinary. You almost always 
get the part in two days. Autohausaz 5-7.

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 Be careful of the shipping charges - ask first.
 
 On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 7:22 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 You guys shouldn't discount the Classic Center. You get 15-20% off with
 MBCA discount and you are guaranteed to get quality. No BS.
 
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 Curly wrote:
 Dr. Fatty has been mentioned.  If you like abuse, you can try him.
 
 The abuse is totally classic and expected.  I like it, I expect it.
 Too bad banned is dead.
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Re: [MBZ] Thug driving Benz with pimp rims gets ventilated at FLAPS

Some years ago, up here in Maine, a cop responded to a domestic dispute. The 
man was an invalid in a wheelchair paralyzed from waist down. The invalid 
wielded a knife at the cop who then proceeded to shoot him dead. Really?? Now 
how was that necessary? This stuff happens all too often and is disgusting.

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 OK, let me try this one more time.
 
 Pretend you're Law Enforcement responding to a report of a domestic
 dispute.  If the state/local laws place no (or very loose) restrictions on
 gun rights, wouldn't/shouldn't you assume there are guns (firearms, if you
 prefer) inside the house, and that since tempers are hot one or both
 occupants might be tempted to grab a weapon in response to your knock on
 the door.  Knowing this possibility, wouldn't you take preemptive steps to
 defend yourself, which might lead you to be a little trigger happy?  In
 other words, accidentally shoot an unarmed civilian?
 
 
 
 On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 9:51 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I fear a cheap Mercedes - BTDT.
 
 On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I don't fear any Mercedes. Does that count in this discussion?
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Thug driving Benz with pimp rims gets ventilated at FLAPS

Anyone with half a brain should have hoplophobia. If you don't treat a gun with 
utmost respect and caution you are nothing but an idiot.

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 Please excuse my failure to communicate in your language.
 
 I'm a graduate of intense therapy which taught me the meaning of personal
 attack that apparently was not taught in a language which we share.
 
 The therapy was called boot camp followed by other sessions called
 advanced combat training and escape and evade survival school.
 Graduation exercises lasted for two tours in a hostile fire zone called
 Vietnam where I exercised my skills at avoiding personal attacks of
 various kinds followed by tours in other places of equal sensitivity.
 
 Somehow, what we have here is a failure to communicate.
 
 I do offer my apology for being out of touch with my sensitive feelings and
 failing to adequately communicate to you.
 
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 wrote:
 
 No one responded to my hypothersis - it's much easier to attack me
 personally.
 
 On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 
 Condensation only happens when you're cool!
 
 --R
 
 On 4/6/15 3:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 
 I ould do without the condescension.
 
 On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 2:37 PM, G Manng2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Andrew,
 
 I would like to introduce you to hoplophobia.
 
 It appears you may have the symptoms and I urge you to seek treatment.
 It
 is, in some instances, terminal, and I wouldn't want that to happen to
 you.
 
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Re: [MBZ] the club

The whole foods is a few blocks up. I lived between the two on Wisconsin Ave.

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 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 
 The AP that used to be in Georgetown was THE pickup place for chicks back in 
 the day.  I'm sure Andrew knows about it.   It's a Whole Foods now, make of 
 that what you might...
 
 --R (Hey, baby, wanna squeeze these lemons?)
 
 
 
 On 4/6/15 3:16 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
 Or he could hang out in the produce department at the local grocery store
 
 Dan Vegetables are sensuous
 
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 On Apr 6, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
 
 You just need to find the chicks who need a man with a station wagon.
 Maybe the ones who buy antiques etc.
 Surely there are nice ladies who would rather ride in an MB wagon than some 
 Asian SUV.
 If you do not think so, then it is time to swap a wagon for a Red SL.
 
 RB
 
 
 On 06/04/2015 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 Nice try but this is the sort of car that only appeals to guys.
 
 Andrew
 1983 300TD
 1985 300TD
 Different colors but equally attractive to chicks, which is to say not
 at all
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Re: [MBZ] the club

I never picked up any chicks at that Safeway:) Well, I might have picked up my 
girlfriend there but we were already together for several years.

It was torn down and rebuilt into a multi-story job.

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 On Apr 6, 2015, at 7:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You mean the Social Safeway?  Still there.
 
 On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 
 The AP that used to be in Georgetown was THE pickup place for chicks back
 in the day.  I'm sure Andrew knows about it.   It's a Whole Foods now, make
 of that what you might...
 
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 On 4/6/15 3:16 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
 
 Or he could hang out in the produce department at the local grocery
 store
 
 Dan Vegetables are sensuous
 
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 On Apr 6, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
 
 You just need to find the chicks who need a man with a station wagon.
 Maybe the ones who buy antiques etc.
 Surely there are nice ladies who would rather ride in an MB wagon than
 some Asian SUV.
 If you do not think so, then it is time to swap a wagon for a Red SL.
 
 RB
 
 
 On 06/04/2015 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 Nice try but this is the sort of car that only appeals to guys.
 
 Andrew
 1983 300TD
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 at all
 
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Re: [MBZ] Booted For Excessive Bounces

2015-04-05 Thread dseretakis

Yup me too.

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 ‎Your membership in the mailing list Mercedes has been disabled due to
 excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
 06-Apr-2015.
 
 This stuff again...?
 
 Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Thug driving Benz with pimp rims gets ventilated at FLAPS

2015-04-05 Thread dseretakis

I want to know why these cops shoot to kill. Why not shoot the guy in the arm 
or leg? If he's grabbing for a taser then he's probably not armed. 

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 I would speculate the increase in cop shooting incidents is correlated with
 the rise in gun ownership and the ease with which anyone can now purchase
 some very lethal weaponry.  Rather than ask questions, cops just shoot
 under the assumption that the suspect is or could be heavily armed.
 
 On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 
 Dint wanna ride the lightning after the cop tried to stop him, tried to
 get cop's Taser, got a 9mm lead injection instead.
 
 http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150404/PC16/150409635/1177
 
 Kleb could probably pick up the Benz cheap, and Wilton could get the rims,
 yo.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Thug driving Benz with pimp rims gets ventilated at FLAPS

2015-04-05 Thread dseretakis

So if a cop attacks someone and that person is in imminent danger of being 
incapacitated by the cop, then does the victim have re right to use deadly 
force against the cop? 

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 If an armed LE officer is attacked by someone, and is in imminent danger of
 being incapacitated by the attacker (as with a taser or OC spray,) his
 training is to use deadly force in that situation.
 
 Greg
 
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 I would speculate the increase in cop shooting incidents is correlated with
 the rise in gun ownership and the ease with which anyone can now purchase
 some very lethal weaponry.  Rather than ask questions, cops just shoot under
 the assumption that the suspect is or could be heavily armed.
 
 On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 
 Dint wanna ride the lightning after the cop tried to stop him, tried 
 to get cop's Taser, got a 9mm lead injection instead.
 
 http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150404/PC16/150409635/1177
 
 Kleb could probably pick up the Benz cheap, and Wilton could get the 
 rims, yo.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: non-Mercedes parking question

You don't buy a Camry.

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 On Apr 3, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote:
 
 Though I suppose it could apply to recent Mercedes.
 
 I am within a few months of trading the van out for something - Accord or
 Camry probably, by the numbers.  So I'm thinking about this, and I walk
 into the parking lot at the Wal-Mart, and I realize I have no idea how to
 find a particular generic car in a sea of generic cars.  I've always driven
 old or odd vehicles so it has never come up before - I just park, do my
 business, and can spot the car/van within a few moments of being outside.
 
 So how does this work?  Do you get to where you can differentiate your
 silver Camry from the thirty other silver Camrys?  Painting the roof orange
 is probably not going to happen.
 
 Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] the club

I find w123 ride quality to be superior to W124. W124 probably handles better 
though.

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 On Apr 3, 2015, at 12:32 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Both the 114/115 and the 124 handle/drive better than the 123. It was a low
 point in suspension design - they dropped the double wishbone front end for
 the cheaper McPherson strut, and we all suffered, until they figured out
 the rear end to compensate.
 
 On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 123 handling is awesome especially with GOFORM tires.
 
 On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 snip You are right about 124 handling. Mt 2.5t handles so welli
 get 28-30 mpg on it for
 my  300-500 commuting miles per week.
 On Apr 2, 2015 10:26 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 My 300D 2.5t is the best car i have ever owned in 50 years of cars.
 Also
 better driver than any of the 123's I had/have.
 snip
 
 123s are durable and comfortable, but the handling was 'merkunized and
 not as crisp as its predecessors.
 
 The 124 handles like a rocket on  rails.  Fun car, but not as
 comfortable
 as 123 or 126.  In OM602 form, a very economical car.
 
 The 126 is comfortable and very good looking.  SDL is a wonderful car.
 
 Each one is great in its own right.  I am quite happy to have one or
 more
 of each.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] the club

I looked up babe magnet. 
At the end was the antonym:
Mercedes 240D, preferably China blue.
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 I looked up the definition of chick magnet.  At the end was the antonym:
 Mercedes 300TD turbodiesel station wagon
 
 On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Tonight I went through a drive through, and the young woman taking money
 asked what year my rusty ol SDL is.  She said she thought it was an 87.  I
 was impressed.  She only missed by a year, and the car is older than her.
 I told her then asked if she liked Mercedes.  She said she did.  I told her
 they are safe, and MB invented the crumple zone and patented it in 1951,
 and started crash testing long before the US ever thought of it.   Hadta go
 then because there was another car behind.
 
 Must be spring...  I don't expect my rusty old beater to get positive
 comments.   Especially not 2 on two days.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] the club

Yeah, I've never seen a strut in a w123!

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 I am so stuck in the 80s.  What will it take to get me into the front seat
 of a newer car?
 
 A crapload of money?
 
 [123] dropped the double wishbone front end for
 the cheaper McPherson strut, and we all suffered,
 
 Really?  I thought the strut showed up for 124/201.
 
 -- Jim
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] the club

Why would you want to get into the front seat of a newer car?
Even the nicest ones bore me.

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 On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I am so stuck in the 80s.  What will it take to get me into the front seat
 of a newer car?
 
 On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:32 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Both the 114/115 and the 124 handle/drive better than the 123. It was a low
 point in suspension design - they dropped the double wishbone front end for
 the cheaper McPherson strut, and we all suffered, until they figured out
 the rear end to compensate.
 
 On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 123 handling is awesome especially with GOFORM tires.
 
 On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 snip You are right about 124 handling. Mt 2.5t handles so welli
 get 28-30 mpg on it for
 my  300-500 commuting miles per week.
 On Apr 2, 2015 10:26 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 My 300D 2.5t is the best car i have ever owned in 50 years of cars.
 Also
 better driver than any of the 123's I had/have.
 snip
 
 123s are durable and comfortable, but the handling was 'merkunized
 and
 not as crisp as its predecessors.
 
 The 124 handles like a rocket on  rails.  Fun car, but not as
 comfortable
 as 123 or 126.  In OM602 form, a very economical car.
 
 The 126 is comfortable and very good looking.  SDL is a wonderful
 car.
 
 Each one is great in its own right.  I am quite happy to have one or
 more
 of each.
 
 
 --
 OK Don
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Any alfistas here?

The car has rack and pinion steering but also has a steering gear box. I know 
nothing about rack and pinion.

I'm asking if a manual steering gearbox for a rack and pinion system can be 
interchanged with a power steering gearbox in a rack and pinion system.

I know that can't be done in a recirculating ball system due to different 
gearing. That's why I ask. 

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 I'm confused.
 
 Rack and pinion is a totally different system than a recirculating ball 
 steering gear.
 
 Are you suggesting that they would change the steering system from rack and 
 pinion to recirculating ball (steering gear?)
 
 Dan
 
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 A friend in Greece has a 1988 Alfa spider 1600 with manual steering. The 
 steering box is toast and rebuilt replacement boxes cost 1000 euro there. I 
 could only find power steering boxes here and they are much cheaper. The car 
 has rack and pinion steering, so would a power steering box work in place of 
 a manual box? I know that the gearing is different in the recirculating ball 
 system that MB uses but does that also apply to rack and pinion?
 Any ideas?
 
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[MBZ] OT: Any alfistas here?

A friend in Greece has a 1988 Alfa spider 1600 with manual steering. The 
steering box is toast and rebuilt replacement boxes cost 1000 euro there. I 
could only find power steering boxes here and they are much cheaper. The car 
has rack and pinion steering, so would a power steering box work in place of a 
manual box? I know that the gearing is different in the recirculating ball 
system that MB uses but does that also apply to rack and pinion?
Any ideas?

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Re: [MBZ] Missing emails

And same here.

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 I'm getting list emails quoting emails that I have not received.
 
 Nothing in my spam folder on my phone.
 
 What's my next step?
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 '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] I Think I Bought a Car

The heat fried their brains?:)

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 People in Florida are weirdos 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 2, 2015, at 6:08 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
 Strange, very strange...
 
 I sent an email to the owner of the 1996 S320 I looked at last weekend:
 
 http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4947867972.html
 
 I thanked him for his time, told him what a nice car he had, then proceeded 
 to lay out why spending $2500+ on a car for maintenance doesn't increase the 
 value substantially. Then I made him an offer of $5500 and told him I would 
 understand if he couldn't accept it.
 
 So late last night he replies to my email:
 
 the recent repair bill from eurotech-automotive.com in Spring Hill Fla. 
 (352) 597-2660 will be included for your records..Tom
 
 I'm assuming that's a Yes?
 
 Confused Dan
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Missing email example

Gee thanks;)

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 DImitri's email address is highly spam-worthy.
 
 On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
 Strange.
 
 You are aware that recent fixes sorted out the Reply to: issue? Could
 that be messing things up on your end?
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Apr 2, 2015, at 8:35 AM, Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Example: received Dan's reply, but not Dimitri's original.
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 '95 E300
 
 On April 2, 2015 7:52:00 AM EDT, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 I'm confused.
 
 Rack and pinion is a totally different system than a recirculating ball
 steering gear.
 
 Are you suggesting that they would change the steering system from rack
 and pinion to recirculating ball (steering gear?)
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Apr 2, 2015, at 7:42 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 A friend in Greece has a 1988 Alfa spider 1600 with manual steering.
 The steering box is toast and rebuilt replacement boxes cost 1000 euro
 there. I could only find power steering boxes here and they are much
 cheaper. The car has rack and pinion steering, so would a power
 steering box work in place of a manual box? I know that the gearing is
 different in the recirculating ball system that MB uses but does that
 also apply to rack and pinion?
 Any ideas?
 
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Re: [MBZ] ON THREAD: Shifter Bushings

2015-04-01 Thread dseretakis

Um they charge $150 per hr for labor in NYC??

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 I'll bite... $200.
 
 $150/ hour, $20 for parts, $15 shop fees, tax
 
 :)
 
 It's NYC!
 
 Jaime
 
 
 On Monday, March 30, 2015, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:
 
 While in NYC last week my shifter started rattling and became very loose.
 I stopped at a local indie in Queens to ask a question or two about  it.
 Next thing I knew, he had the car on the lift explaining how dangerous it
 was, and that the 123 was the best design ever from MB.  Out of the shop in
 45 minutes with 2 new bushings and clips.
 
 No Rattle or loose shifter.  Bravo Zulu.
 
 Anyone care to guess the cost?
 
 Jon
 
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Re: [MBZ] Favorite Automotive Products Thread

2015-04-01 Thread dseretakis

Fluid Film. Spray it on bare metal and it will not rust even when exposed to 
road salt spray. 

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 Dieselvolk,
 
 Better than an oil thread!  I'd like to get a conversation going about our
 favorite automotive products.  I'll start off with a few of mine:
 
 Boeshield T-9: a multipurpose product that cleans, protects, penetrates,
 displaces moisture  more.  Created by Boeing, this is what should be used
 instead of WD-40 when you want to both clean and lubricate. I use it as a
 preservative coating on my sailboats outboard motor and other metals
 exposed to outdoor living.  Really nice stuff.  Next time I clean a car
 engine, I'm going to follow up with a T-9 coating to prevent corrosion.
 Safe to spray on just about everything.
 
 Sonax Wheel Cleaner Full Effect or Wheel Cleaner Plus: Wheel Cleaner
 PLUS...for
 fast and effective removal of stubborn brake dust and road grime. The
 powerful wheel cleaner is 30% stronger and works much faster than SONAX
 Wheel Cleaner Full Effect. PLUS sprays on clear and turns red almost
 instantly as it begins to work. Because it is acid-free, Wheel Cleaner PLUS
 is safe for use on all wheel types and will not damage or corrode wheel
 bolts.  I haven't tried the latest formula yet, I've used up three bottles
 of the Full Effect version.  This stuff does a really good job cleaning
 your wheels.  I always spray it on, scrub it in a little with a brush, and
 then rinse off after a few minutes.  My wheels only get this treatment
 occasionally, I suspect that if used more frequently, you would not have to
 scrub it in.
 
 PB Blaster: Great stuff for loosening rusted hardware.  I know some of you
 like to mix your own blend of acetone and ATF, I don't have time for that
 and need something in a spray can, this stuff is readily available in the
 stores I frequent, so this is what I use.
 
 Wheelskins: genuine leather steering wheel covers.  Nice high quality
 leather, look and feel great.  I've installed two, one in my '95 E300 and
 one in our Infiniti I30.  A couple years later both are holding up just
 fine.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] ON THREAD: Shifter Bushings

2015-03-30 Thread dseretakis

$50;)

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 While in NYC last week my shifter started rattling and became very loose.  I 
 stopped at a local indie in Queens to ask a question or two about  it.  Next 
 thing I knew, he had the car on the lift explaining how dangerous it was, and 
 that the 123 was the best design ever from MB.  Out of the shop in 45 minutes 
 with 2 new bushings and clips.
 
 No Rattle or loose shifter.  Bravo Zulu.
 
 Anyone care to guess the cost?
 
 Jon
 
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Re: [MBZ] Unimog value?

It seems like a good deal but pics show the nose above the front bumper to be 
pretty beat up. Hard to evaluate a car from across the pond. Will have a friend 
check it out for me.

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On Mar 28, 2015, at 3:27 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 There is a Mog group web page. My brother porn surfs there.
 On Mar 28, 2015 12:25 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Wow.
 The one I'm looking at is a short wheelbase diesel model with a truck
 bed. They are asking 3800 euro. Yes it's in Europe.
 
 
 Buy it.  you can sell it here for 12-15 k at least I'd guess.  I don't keep 
 track of mog values, but I have seen what people as over the past 15 yrs or 
 so.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Jay Leno's Garage: 1955 Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing Coupe - Ultimate Edition - Jay Le...

Yeah nice video. Would love to drive one someday:)

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 Wow, that was quite a treat!  That engine has an awesome roar.  If only I 
 could have been in the passenger’s seat…
 
 Kevin in Hillsboro, OregonOn Mar 28, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Dwight Giles 
 dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Bucket list.
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[MBZ] Unimog value?

How much you all think a circa 1960'a running driving rust free unimog is worth?

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Re: [MBZ] Unimog value?

Wow.
The one I'm looking at is a short wheelbase diesel model with a truck bed. They 
are asking 3800 euro. Yes it's in Europe. 

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 I think a lot would depend on the model. There are a lot of different 
 configurations, especially when it comes to the beds.
 
 I was offered $21k for my crane/winch/dump-bed diesel model
 a couple of years ago.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes pickup

You all know that's almost certainly a POS Nissan in Mercedes guise? 

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 On 27/03/2015 7:51 AM, David  Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes wrote:
 Here's something to hope comes to the USA.
 http://www.bild.de/auto/auto-news/daimler-ag/mercedes-bringt-pick-up-modell-in-kommenden-jahren-40324338.bild.html
 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV
 
 Cannot say the styling appeals to me.
 
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[MBZ] Mercedes pick-up

Yup the pick- up is a POS Nissan. MB is in a downward spiral through a long 
toilet drain.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/mercedes-benz-in-talks-with-nissan-to-jointly-develop-pickup-truck-1427463807

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes pickup

I'd rather buy an old unimog if I need additional hauling rather than that 
Nissan turd.

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 I have a trailer hitch if I need to do additional hauling.
 
 I know better than to question anything that Wilton says or does.  Don't
 want to jeopardize any future Attaboys.  ;)
 
 On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 12:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I give it zero points for usefulness and styling.
 
 As we say in the country, it's all hat and no horse.
 
 On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
 wrote:
 
 On 27/03/2015 7:51 AM, David  Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes wrote:
 
 Here's something to hope comes to the USA.
 
 http://www.bild.de/auto/auto-news/daimler-ag/mercedes-
 bringt-pick-up-modell-in-kommenden-jahren-40324338.bild.html
 
  Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV
 Cannot say the styling appeals to me.
 
 RB
 
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Re: [MBZ] O/T: Pious Pickup

Ughh.

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 I stopped off to do a little grocery shopping today and my eyes were
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Re: [MBZ] RIP Panzermeister

2015-03-26 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes

That's sad to hear. Seemed to be a good guy based on the limited interaction I 
had with him.

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 On Mar 26, 2015, at 7:18 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Chuck had a winning 116 300SD he called the Panzerwagen.  That is the source 
 of the Panzer reference.
 
 Today I paged to near the back of the current issue of the STAR. There is a 
 full page memorial to Chuck L.  That article does not appear to be online.
 
 
 From the Desert Stars Section: Jan 16, 2015
 It is a sad day as we have lost a dear member of our Desert Stars. Chuck 
 Landenberger, has passed away. Chuck was extremely active with the Desert 
 Stars and when he moved to Hawaii, helped restart that section.
 If anyone wishes to express their personal condolences, you may contact 
 Chuck's daughter at the following address: Janene Aumiller 14141 West 72nd 
 Ave Arvada, Co 80005
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Re: [MBZ] OT faucets

2015-03-23 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes

I had a delta kitchen faucet corrode from the inside in just 6 yrs. total 
garbage. 

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Don't buy plumbing stuff at the box stores, it's invariably the worst 
 possible grade available.
 
 Go to a standard pluming supply company, the one your local plumbers use.  
 Slightly higher prices, but vastly better stuff.
 
 I need to do this myself, I grabbed a Delta from the box store last year 
 because the old one was leaking into the basement and it's a pain to get to 
 the plumber's supply from work (they close at 5).  I'm sorry I did, it's 
 flimsy and the temperature control is pretty much full hot or full cold, the 
 range where there is mixing is about 10% of the travel of the tap.
 
 Peter
 
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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

2015-03-20 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes

I would guess that hundreds, if not thousands, of years worth of data would be 
necessary to be able to make sense of any significant weather patterns. 

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 So how many years of data would you like before you're persuaded we have a
 problem, let alone convinced?  is it worth the risk pretending this problem
 is merely cyclical and will go away in, say, another 36 years?
 
 
 
 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Come on Andrew, do you read any of the stuff you post?
 
 Lowest-ever wintertime level since records began in 1979.  Wow.  36
 years worth of data.
 
 Typical low information voter response:  OH NO, in 36 years we've NEVER
 seen such low ice!!!
 
 Quick, we've got to impose draconian costs on all Americans (especially
 the poor and middle class) to drive up their basic energy costs to keep
 their houses warm, cook food, and drive their cars to work.  THAT will work
 FOR SURE
 
 Give me a break
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

I'm going to have to agree. Show me the warmth, show me the money. If I'm not 
experiencing warm weather I won't buy that the earth is warming. 
I was on board with global warming until recent weather patterns have caused 
massive doubt in my mind.

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Andrew,
 
 The data is being cooked in order to keep the billions of research dollars
 flowing for global warming / climate change / anthropogenic global
 warming.  Past temperature data has either been adjusted to make the past
 colder (which means we MUST be warmer now, right) or past data which
 doesn't fit the models predictions is conveniently deleted from the
 computations...
 
 https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/03/16/temperature-adjustments-at-uscrn1-stations/
 
 In case you've missed this in the past, here is a list of 1000 REAL
 scientists who disagree with the contention that CO2 is going to destroy
 the earth:
 
 http://cfact.org/pdf/2010_Senate_Minority_Report.pdf
 
 If you don't care to read all 321 pages of that report, here's just a
 sample of what is inside:
 
 Atmospheric Physicist Dr. John Reid, who worked with Australia’s CSIRO’s
 (Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization) Division of
 Oceanography and worked in surface gravity waves (ocean waves) research,
 rejected
 man-made global warming fears in October 2009. Reid bluntly called the
 climate fear
 movement “a new religion that has grown out of secular humanism.” He
 explained that
 “Gore has taken a role corresponding to that of St Paul in proselytizing
 the new faith.”
 Reid explained: “My skepticism about AGW arises from the fact that as a
 physicist who
 has worked in closely related areas, I know how poor the underlying science
 is. In effect
 the scientific method has been abandoned in this field. Back in the early
 1990s when I
 was still working for the CSIRO and the early versions of the AGW theory
 started to gain
 currency, I was rather bemused by the passions which were aroused in my
 colleagues and
 the gullibility with which predictions of future climate disaster were
 accepted.” He
 added: “In effect a new religion has grown out of secular humanism. Global
 warming is
 the central tenet of this new belief system in much the same way that the
 Resurrection is
 the central tenet of Christianity. Al Gore has taken a role corresponding
 to that of St Paul
 in proselytizing the new faith.  Meteorologists regularly test
 model ‘skill’. Climatologists don’t seem to have a concept of testing, and
 prefer to use the term
 ‘verification’ instead—that is, they do not seek to invalidate their
 models; they only seek supporting evidence.”
 
 Take care,
 Max
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Re: [MBZ] OT Starbucks is in NASCAR now?

Starbux makes my heart race. Coffee too strong. Yuck.

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 HA!  I can just picture Bubba asking Barista-Babe about racing and the
 interesting exchange that will follow.
 
 -
 Max where's my espresso?
 Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

I have a pretty decent background in science. In a prior life I did a good 
amount of research and have a healthy list of publications to prove it 
including first authorship in JAMA, the findings of which were published in 
TIME and first page Wall Street Journal. I'm no novice to how statistical 
manipulation of data can skew results.
I will not believe that the world is warming unless I see it with my own eyes.

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 On Mar 19, 2015, at 10:10 AM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 09:58:14 -0400 dseretakis--- via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I'm going to have to agree. Show me the warmth, show me the money. If
 I'm not experiencing warm weather I won't buy that the earth is
 warming. I was on board with global warming until recent weather
 patterns have caused massive doubt in my mind.
 
 Glad to see you are keeping your thinking cap on and aren't buying the
 Kool-Aid, Dimitri.
 
 
 Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

And selling them our oil doesn't help either.

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On Mar 19, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

Nothing we do is going to make much difference, IF it is a matter of oil
consumption etc, so long as places like China and India keep on as they are.
Sending them truck loads of our money in order to pursuade them not to
pollute is not likely to do much for either them or us.

On 19/03/2015 10:36 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
I think there are 3 issues here that are getting muddled in all the chaff.
First is whether the planet is warming up. Second is what the cause of (1)
might be if it is happening. Third then is what to do about it.

1) is probably true, overall, it has been happening for quite some time, at
least since the last ice age.

2) it makes some sense that putting stuff into the atmosphere (humans,
volcanoes, cowfarts, etc.) probably has some effect on (1), but then there
is old mister sun too, who has been around awhile

3) what annoys a lot of deniers is that the schemes so far seem to involve
raising taxes and shoveling lots of money to whack schemes, campaign donors,
turd-world kleptocrats, and various other leeches, in addition to various
alternative energy and behavior schemes that might or might not involve the
previously-mentioned miscreants and a diminishment of personal freedoms.

I heard on the radio this morning that the esteemed president is going to
announce something the gummint is going to do to reduce global warming
emissions or something, this coming a few days after he and his lovely bride
took separate big ol airplane rides out to California, to pretty much the
same place at the same time, to be on 2 different TV shows. Very Important
Stuff. Plus now she is over in Japan talking to school kids about Something
Else Important no doubt, having taken the big ol airplane over again, and he
has flown off again to do a campaign speech or fundraiser again or something
equally important. So, that sorta has an effect on my views on the matter...

--R

On 3/19/15 10:25 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
I have a pretty decent background in science. In a prior life I did a good
amount of research and have a healthy list of publications to prove it
including first authorship in JAMA, the findings of which were published in
TIME and first page Wall Street Journal. I'm no novice to how statistical
manipulation of data can skew results.
I will not believe that the world is warming unless I see it with my own
eyes.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Advice sought re: jumbo Eastern ground hog

Then Andrew better stay in DC! ;)

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mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

Relocated animals seldom survive,

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 9:01 PM
To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Advice sought re: jumbo Eastern ground hog

Well, I lack the indignation to want to do it harm since the groundhog
hasn't
wrecked my yard YET. I'll trap and relocate it on county park land.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

A pellet gun would do the job real well, be real quiet and won't be
terribly dangerous in a small backyard.I popped a ground hog right in
the head last summer, it didn't kill him but I rang his bell well
enough that that he took off and hasn't come back. That was just a
cheap 10 pump Crossman, effective range maybe 30-40 feet, anything
beyond that its really slowing down, you can watch the pellet arch
through
the air.
I've got a B3 Chinese pellet gun thats a little more powerful than the
Crossman and its a single pump which is nice. I need to work on the
rear sight some and clean it up some so it makes more power. Dad gave
it to me, he bought it at an auction for $16 so it is what it is. For
$200 you can buy a really nice gun that'll fix ground hogs easy.
-Curt

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Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Advice sought re: jumbo Eastern ground hog

A large ground hog was spotted sunning him/herself on the patio just
outside my dining room sliding door. This is my first exposure to
such an animal. What should I do? Will it dig up my foundation?
Burrow under
the
deck? Eat all the earthworms? WTF. I have a haveaheart trap but
don't know what to bait it with.

12 ga slug works incredibly well. If placed right, It will clean and
gut it too.
20 Ga works well
.22 is less likely to have the neighbors calling the popos.

Bait the havahart with PB, apples, or greens of any sort. Broccoli
should work well.

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Re: [MBZ] Wood refinishing for zebrano console in my W123 300TD

Did you try the nasty stuff with methylene chloride?

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 I may have askeed this before, but am hoping for at least one on-point
 response this time.
 
 Has anyone had a GOOD experience with a wood refinisher?  I am unable to
 dent the poly whatever finish on the console wood in my 300TD, using
 several strippers.
 
 I am now willing to pay to get this done.  Any recommendations?  Or if you
 have first hand knowledge as a DIY project, I wil llisten.
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Wood refinishing for zebrano console in my W123 300TD

Yes he is but doesn't the business live on?
Also, I hear Madera Concepts does exceptional work.

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On Mar 18, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

Too bad Drew is dead

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On Mar 18, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Bob via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

I may have asked this before, but am hoping for at least one on-point
response this time.

Has anyone had a GOOD experience with a wood refinisher? I am unable to
dent the poly whatever finish on the console wood in my 300TD, using
several strippers.

I am now willing to pay to get this done. Any recommendations? Or if you
have first hand knowledge as a DIY project, I wil llisten.

My friend said he heated it up the wood finish meticulously scraped off
the finish which IS impervious to stripping materials. Then he sprayed
many layers of shellac -Color won't match exactly. The reason for the
shellac
is that it's thin enough to not build up in the slotted areas where you
snap back the switches

I guess you can find a light stain since shellac will darken a little bit.
I have to do mine soon but I got another one off fleabay years ago to
practice on

Bob

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Re: [MBZ] Wood refinishing for zebrano console in my W123 300TD

What's going on in this place? We are talking about strippers touching wood!

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On Mar 18, 2015, at 2:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

Heritage Woodworks. Wouldn't let anyone else touch my wood.

(Waiting for snarky comments)

Dan

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On Mar 18, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

I may have askeed this before, but am hoping for at least one on-point
response this time.

Has anyone had a GOOD experience with a wood refinisher? I am unable to
dent the poly whatever finish on the console wood in my 300TD, using
several strippers.

I am now willing to pay to get this done. Any recommendations? Or if you
have first hand knowledge as a DIY project, I wil llisten.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Advice sought re: jumbo Eastern ground hog

2015-03-17 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes

You have a very serious problem. A groundhog infestation. There is no fix for
that I'm afraid. I will take your house off your hands for free. After all what
are friends for? Hahaha!

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On Mar 17, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

Uh Oh!
Call the Realtor.
Get the For Sale sign on the lawn quickly before the house caves in.

On 17/03/2015 2:30 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
Andrew,
They are group animals. If you have one, and a food source, you will soon
have more. They will burrow your entire yard is left alone., any crawl
space under your house will represent safe haven for their den exits.

Being ground animals, they collect the usual accumulation of things like
ticks and fleas, while their tunnels will weaken the substructure of your
foundation. When it rains, those tunnels provide a path for water which
then will soften the soil compaction under your foundations.. then crack
them as they shift...

Or.. you could call your local PETA people and ask them to come feed and
pet them for you.. your choice...

Trap, and eliminate, would be the prudent choice, in my opinion.

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Re: [MBZ] Okie Acres Car Hauler

2015-03-16 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes

And wasn't Curt looking for the engine out of one of those for some alpine 
mobile.

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 Jump on this, Kaleb:
 
 http://bringatrailer.com/2015/03/15/cool-hauler-1976-mercedes-1116-rollback/
 
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Re: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD

2015-03-16 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes

Your head is cracked. Send it to me and I'll fix it after Curt's! Hahahaha
I'm such a good friend!

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I am thinking there is a hairline crack in the filler tank neck but not
 clear if that would allow so much coolant to escape
 
 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:13:18 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Oil is normal level.
 
 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Probably a good time to check the oil...
 
 Having it checked for the presence of coolant or exhaust would be an easy
 way to get some piece of mind.
 
 Before our '82 240D was converted to a 240D/3.0, it had problems with
 coolant level dropping. It turned out to be a pinhole in the side of the
 radiator that leaked slowly when it was hot. Leaking only when hot, so
 the leakage evaporated, and being on the side, where one could not see
 it, both contributed to the difficulty of finding the problem. It finally
 went away when I changed the radiator to a 300D radiator.
 
 
 Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD

2015-03-16 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes

Your car needs a new engine. I'll take it off your hands for free;)

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 As you all know, my 1983 300TD had a heating issue couipled with low
 coolant levels.  When I replenished the coolant the heating system resumed
 mnormal operations.
 
 This weekend, I checked the aux. filler tank and it was shockingly low
 again.  There is no puddle under the car, so the loss of coolant is
 associated with vehicle operation.  WTF?!  There is a slight wetness at the
 tank filler neck, and the exhaust appears normal (although I am not one to
 look for trouble).
 
 I swapped out the radiator cap for a new one I had lying around.  If that
 doesn't work I have a new tank I could install as well.   Ideas on how to
 trouble shoot this nagging issue if the problem persists?
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Re: [MBZ] BMW carpet set

2015-03-08 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes

Yes I learned a bunch from the Internet but practiced a whole lot on my GF's 
home machine. I then practiced sewing in circles and curves on the industrial 
machine. Tricky thing is controlling the speed on industrial machines fitted 
with the old fashioned clutch style motors like mine. I could fit it with a 
servo motor which is what is used now but I really didn't see the point. With a 
few hours of practice I tamed it!

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 wrote:
 
 I have a machine my uncle had, he got it from the shoe factory that closed in 
 the town where he lived.  it is similar to that one you have, I don't 
 remember the brand, it might be a Singer.  THe whole set up weighs about 
 300lb.
 
 I need to learn how to set it up and use it.  Did you do your learnings on 
 the tubernets?
 
 --R
 
 
 
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 I'm sewing one up. Check it out here:
 
 http://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=22025.0
 
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Re: [MBZ] BMW carpet set

2015-03-08 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes

Thanks. It's good fun!

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 Impressive!  Keep up the good work!
 
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 I'm sewing one up. Check it out here:
 
 http://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=22025.0
 
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[MBZ] BMW carpet set

2015-03-06 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes

I'm sewing one up. Check it out here:

http://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=22025.0

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Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.

2015-03-06 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes

10,000 years ago we were 1 mile deep in ice. That all melted. Perhaps the
melting is still going on progressing now to the ice caps?

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mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

If Boston were having another mild winter and the polar regions were frigid
as usual, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The concern is that
warming of the polar regions is causing the ice caps to melt and sea level
to relentlessly rise, all because of growing CO2 emissions from industrial
sources world wide.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

New England has had a cold winter with lots of snow, the pacific northwest
has had a very warm winter and much of Minnesota has had essentially no
snow. Last year while we had the polar vortex it was one of the warmest
winters on record for much of the rest of the world.
Also remember the year before that we had zero snow from November (after
the Halloween storm) until March.
Actually even last year we didn't have any snow until the blizzard the
first week of February.
Snowmobilers tend to remember snow patterns...
-Curt
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Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.

I'm no climatologist, but in light of the past couple of winters, I simply
cannot buy global warming.
Nobody is going to convince me that red is green or that cold is hot.
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mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

The “brutal” winter is on the attack again, bringing sleet and heavy
snow to the mid-Atlantic region. Previous storms targeted the deep south
including Dallas, Texas, and several hammered New England. By March 4,
Boston was just 2 inches away from hitting an all-time record for snow,
Boston.com reported.

It’s a reality more in keeping with media warnings from the 1970s than
today’s arguments about global warming.

Then, CBS anchor Walter Cronkite, the dean of American journalism, was
warning about an ice age. Cronkite cited scientific claims that the Earth
was cooling and the full extent of the new ice age won't be reached for
10,000 years.

That's completely different from the media's line today that global
warming is settled sciencesnip
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seymour/2015/03/05/and-thats-way-it-was-1972-cronkite-warned-new-ice-age

Makes sense, doesn't it?
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.

2015-03-06 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes

I'm no climatologist, but in light of the past couple of winters, I simply
cannot buy global warming.
Nobody is going to convince me that red is green or that cold is hot.
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wrote:

The “brutal” winter is on the attack again, bringing sleet and heavy snow to
the mid-Atlantic region. Previous storms targeted the deep south including
Dallas, Texas, and several hammered New England. By March 4, Boston was just
2 inches away from hitting an all-time record for snow, Boston.com reported.

It’s a reality more in keeping with media warnings from the 1970s than
today’s arguments about global warming.

That's completely different from the media's line today that global warming
is settled sciencesnip

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seymour/2015/03/05/and-thats-way-it-was-1972-cronkite-warned-new-ice-age

Makes sense, doesn't it?
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30

2015-03-04 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes

I've never smoked it but it's a known fact that pot is less harmful than
alcohol. Why pot should be illegal goes beyond me.

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wrote:

War on Addiction?
Pot is going to get legalized little by little and good on it, I can't see
how its any worse than alcohol. Stuff like crack and heroin I've got a
different attitude to but still we need to fight the addiction not the drug.
Kid gets picked up for a little pot, if he's black he goes to jail which
basically ruins any chance he ever had for a normal life...
-Curt

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Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30

Dan,
I totally agree that we need to try another direction than the so-called war
on drugs. I've been saying for decades that the war on drugs has been lost
and has become a huge financial drain on our society. Rather than keeping on
locking people up, inducing them to commit more crimes to fund their habits,
making drug cartels rich, etc., we need to at least investigate some other
possible ways to control drug use. Just as the attempt at alcohol prohibition
didn't stop the use of alcohol but enabled the growth of organized crime
syndicates, the war on drugs has enabled the growth of even more powerful
drug cartels. I've never used drugs and haven't even tried a marijuana
cigarette but can see the futility of the path we've been on since LBJ.
Addison

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From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts
Date: March 4, 2015 2:27:37 PM PST
To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com

I'm not endorsing Bill Maher by any means, but he did say something the other
day on his show that I thought was pretty astute:

http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/bill-maher-calls-obama-end-drug-war-free-drug-war-prisoners

We lock up so many people in Federal prisons with mandatory sentences for
stupid things. This has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs or for that
matter, the drug war. It's a giant resource suck of not only taxpayer's
dollars but of human resources as well.

Just my $0.02.

Dan

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wrote:

Not the guns yet, but the bullets now. The Apostate has a pen and a phone!

--R

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Hey - you forgot our first Kenyan Muslim non-Christian President who Wants
to Confiscate Your Guns. You're getting soft!
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Re: [MBZ] this CL ad is mine

And I had cousins and an aunt in Athens, GA. Furthermore, I was born in Athens, 
Greece.

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 On Mar 3, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 My-now dimitri's - 240D came from athens. PO was university employee.
 On Mar 3, 2015 10:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I've been to a commencement ceremony at U of GA in Athens.  Quite a bucolic
 area.  Drove through some violent thunderstorms from Atlanta to get
 there.
 
 Mecedes content:  We were in a 1985 300CD.   Trunk was a swimming pool
 afterwards, which was solved by replacing the TL lens gaskets
 
 On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I see at least two projects, put the 123 stick shift wagon drive train
 into the least rusty sedan body, then combine the good 240D cars to make
 a
 nice driver with stick shift.
 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
 
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 http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/cto/4912896586.html
 
 we have too many cars
 
 massive 123 sell off of mostly rusty cars
 
 some are mine and some belong to friends
 
 
 thanks,
 
 xx rick
 Rick Hawkins
 
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 LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

Any thoughts?

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 On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with 12 
 point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts?
 Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came with 
 such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on old engine.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Good thing you have another head...
 
 Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

The head bolts on the car are not 12 point. They are the old hex head style. 
According to the shop manual, I must use same style bolts that came with engine 
so it appears I must re-use them. My question is whether I can use them with a 
newer head- the one I got at ChowdahQ 2014 which I believe came from a car that 
took 12 point bolts.


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 On Mar 3, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Dimitri.WARNING.
 This is just an opinion.The head probably will not have been re-engineered to 
 accept different types of bolts.The bolts went from torque-to-spec to torque 
 to yield. In effect the old bolts became rigid under tension and the later 
 ones retained some springy-nessProvided that the used 12 point bolts are 
 within spec and not cracked, I'd re-use them after cleaning the block threads 
 thoroughly and hand fitting them to ensure smooth fitment.Have you matched 
 the head/gaskets to the olde and new parts?YMMV.
 
 Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
 
 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 12:08:48 -0500
 To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd:  Overheating 240D more info
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 
 Any thoughts?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with 12 
 point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts?
 Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came with 
 such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on old 
 engine.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

I'm thinking that diagnosis is important. How do I know the leak isn't stemming 
from the block? The head really did look ok. 
Perhaps I take the head off and ask machine shop to check. That way  I can know 
for sure head is at fault. If that's confirmed then I can have them prepare the 
other head I got at ChowdahQ.

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 wrote:
 
 The head that is on it now is the head that was on it when Dwight's brother 
 got it years ago. It has a replacement head gasket.
 4 of us looked over the head carefully checking for cracks, bumps and 
 imperfections, Fred checked it for flatness and pronounced it okay. The same 
 for the block.
 -Curt
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 To: Fred Moir fredh.s...@hotmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
 
 Thoughts:
 
 I recall, this car had the head replaced before?  Or was it just the
 head gasket?
 
 On removal of the head, I would inspect carefully for any evidence of
 cavitation, with a weep hole in a cylinder wall, block crack, or other
 leak path, while the head is being checked.
 
 Open once.. check twice..
 
 On 3/3/15, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 Dimitri.WARNING.
 This is just an opinion.The head probably will not have been re-engineered
 to accept different types of bolts.The bolts went from torque-to-spec to
 torque to yield. In effect the old bolts became rigid under tension and the
 later ones retained some springy-nessProvided that the used 12 point bolts
 are within spec and not cracked, I'd re-use them after cleaning the block
 threads thoroughly and hand fitting them to ensure smooth fitment.Have you
 matched the head/gaskets to the olde and new parts?YMMV.
 
 Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
 
 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 12:08:48 -0500
 To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd:  Overheating 240D more info
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 
 Any thoughts?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with
 12 point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts?
 Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came
 with such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on
 old engine.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

I guess there is no hurry. It's obvious that problem is getting worse as hoses 
get pressurized but I guess I can leave rad cap loose. 

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 On Mar 3, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Why is there a hurry to do more work?
 If the engine runs hundreds of miles north to Maine and back with no
 heating problem, why not leave it?  Thermostat being blocked open
 isn't a terrible thing, is it?  A bit of coolant leak is not as bad as
 an oil leak, is it?  Run it as is and watch things closely.  You drove
 it to Maine and back, no problem.  It drives around town today, why
 not leave things as they are?  Is there a hurry to fix?  When you have
 mayonnaise oil... yeah, then there needs to be a fix sometime soon.
 But with performance as it stands now, drive it?
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

Yup toadass suck. 

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On Mar 2, 2015, at 5:20 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:

 Well, I think we need to wait a bit.
 My Mercedes is 39 years old.
 Let us see how the Prius is at that age.
 My experience with the Toyotas that I have owned has not been great.
 2 of them rusted away and the 3rd one committed suicide before I managed to 
 fix all of the other known faults.
 
 RB
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

Ok ya'll. Car had pressurized hoses this am. Took it for a short spin in town, 
temp remained cool. Popped hood, remove rad cap, revved engine and for the 
first time ever- bubbles in coolant! Yay, actually, CRAP! In my opinion car has 
a head issue!

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Funny stuff! Did you have cafe au lait oil?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Well yeah but I realized what had happened. I pulled the glow plugs and 
 cranked it to get the water out. Put 'em back in and it ran. If I left the 
 cap loose it wasn't a problem.
 -Curt
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 mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
 
 You didn't end up hydro locking the engine?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 The engine got repeatedly overheated. A couple times by the previous owner, 
 once or twice by me, until the head gasket couldn't handle it anymore...
 That one was actually the best kind of head gasket failure, it just 
 consumed some coolant and if you left the cap tight while the engine was 
 off it would fill the cylinders with coolant. We drove it a few months like 
 that until it needed injector return lines and I decided it wasn't worth 
 it...
 -Curt
 
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 To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
 
 How did the stuff ruin the head gasket?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I 
 used it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of 
 my MB wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results.
 In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps 
 on giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC 
 I became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 
 10 minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. 
 Then when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have 
 flushed the system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the 
 stuff.My wagon I managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff 
 out and never clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, 
 the head gasket was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace 
 it and I didn't have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that 
 time to fix it myself...
 -Curt
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 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
 
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 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
 Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
 To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
 
 If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the 
 coolant system.
 
 And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . .
 
 RB
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with 12 point 
head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts?
Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came with such 
bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on old engine.

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 Good thing you have another head...
 
 Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

M104 in a w123 with a 5 speed sounds like a very interesting project!
Hey wait a minute, I thought you were Mr. Originality!!

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 The M104 is a wonderful engine.  I had one for years in my 95 E320 wagon.
 Smooth and powerful when you wind it out.  I always thought it would make
 an awesome engine to swap into something else.
 
 Oddly enough, I have an opportunity to buy my old wagon back for cheap, now
 the the current teenage own is done smashing it into things.  I'm kinda
 tempted to buy it back, part it out, and put the engine in a W123 with a 5
 speed.
 
 Jaime
 
 
 On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Anyone familiar with the inline six?
 
 I may go to Orlando tomorrow to look at this car.
 
 1999 S320, approximately 180,000 miles, one owner Florida car.  Dealer and
 indie maintained, most service records. Everything works, cosmetics look
 good, too.
 
 I realize the S320 won't have all the bells and whistles of an S500, but
 that's not a big deal to me. If anything, I'm most concerned about the
 engine, as I know nothing about how this vintage inline six.
 
 Anybody here familiar with them? Pitfalls? Things to look for?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Dan
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter

Tell me about it. As I write this I'm headed to buy ten gallons of kerosene to 
keep the oil tank from running out till I get my next delivery. $1000 per month 
this winter in oil.

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 On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:09 AM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:
 
 Every morning when I wake up, I look out the window to check Dimitri’s 
 chimney.  If his house were a steam locomotive, it’d be moving down the 
 tracks at 90mph!
 
 On Mar 2, 2015, at 6:41 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Oh shut it! :)
 
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 On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Should I mention that we had to turn on the AC today?
 
 Guess not
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 On Sun, 1 Mar 2015 19:30:48 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 The 400 gallons of propane that I have will be burned in the grill . . .
 
 Too bad I use charcoal.
 My goal was to get the tank under 50 gallons without running out this 
 winter.
 December/January were so cold that I panicked a bit and used the air-air 
 heat pump too much.
 When January ended I bumped raised the switchover temp to 30° to get rid 
 of some LP, burned more of it in February than in Nov-Dec-Jan combined. 
 Probably ran the heat pump less than 50 hours all month. I should just set 
 the switchover temp to 20 or 25 and manually turn on aux heat when I want 
 a quick recovery from overnight setback.
 
 
 mitch
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter

Oh shut it! :)

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 On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Should I mention that we had to turn on the AC today?
 
 Guess not
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 On Sun, 1 Mar 2015 19:30:48 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 The 400 gallons of propane that I have will be burned in the grill . . .
 
 Too bad I use charcoal.
 My goal was to get the tank under 50 gallons without running out this winter.
 December/January were so cold that I panicked a bit and used the air-air 
 heat pump too much.
 When January ended I bumped raised the switchover temp to 30° to get rid of 
 some LP, burned more of it in February than in Nov-Dec-Jan combined. 
 Probably ran the heat pump less than 50 hours all month. I should just set 
 the switchover temp to 20 or 25 and manually turn on aux heat when I want a 
 quick recovery from overnight setback.
 
 
 mitch
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

How did the stuff ruin the head gasket?

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 On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used 
 it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB 
 wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results.
 In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps on 
 giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I 
 became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 
 minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. Then 
 when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have flushed the 
 system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the stuff.My wagon I 
 managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff out and never 
 clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, the head gasket 
 was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace it and I didn't 
 have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it 
 myself...
 -Curt
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 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
 
 On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
 
 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
 Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
 To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
 
 If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the 
 coolant system.
 
 And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . .
 
 RB
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

You didn't end up hydro locking the engine?

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 On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 The engine got repeatedly overheated. A couple times by the previous owner, 
 once or twice by me, until the head gasket couldn't handle it anymore...
 That one was actually the best kind of head gasket failure, it just consumed 
 some coolant and if you left the cap tight while the engine was off it would 
 fill the cylinders with coolant. We drove it a few months like that until it 
 needed injector return lines and I decided it wasn't worth it...
 -Curt
 
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 To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
 
 How did the stuff ruin the head gasket?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used 
 it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB 
 wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results.
 In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps on 
 giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I 
 became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 
 minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. Then 
 when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have flushed the 
 system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the stuff.My wagon I 
 managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff out and never 
 clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, the head gasket 
 was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace it and I didn't 
 have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it 
 myself...
 -Curt
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 To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
 
 On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
 
 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
 Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
 To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
 
 If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the 
 coolant system.
 
 And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . .
 
 RB
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

It lost some coolant but could be from known area around tstat housing cover.

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 On Mar 1, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 What’s the coolant level?
 
 
 On Mar 1, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Pressurized hoses on a cold engine is not a good sign. This is typical of a
 head problem. 
 
 If it is more convenient, you can borrow a cooling system pressure tester
 from most FLAPS for free.  Actually, they charge it to your credit card when
 you get it and refund to your card when you return it.  I found this tool so
 useful (when I had old cars) that I bought one.
 
 On the positive side, if you are weeping coolant could explain how an air
 bubble can get into the system and prevents circulation.  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes
 Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 1:53 PM
 
 ...
 I'm considering taking car to radiator shop to have system pressure
 tested.
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[MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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Begin forwarded message:

 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
 Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
 To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

 If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the coolant 
 system.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 1, 2015, at 3:59 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 Were the car mine, I would be very interested in why the system is still 
 pressurized after setting overnight.. 

 Dead cold cooling systems should not have pressure, so , to me, it speaks of 
 combustion air incursion into the cooling system and likely, serious over 
 pressure somehow.. although, the radiator cap should vent anything above the 
 rated pressure... further concern, to me.. 

 Cooling system pressure test would be my next step.. certainly.

 On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 11:53 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 So I've driven the car now for 250 miles with blocked open tstat  and no 
 overheating. I'm noticing that the cooling system is pressurized in the 
 mornings. This morning I noticed that the upper and lower radiator hoses 
 were moderately swollen, and there was a puff of air when I removed 
 radiator cap. There was some leakage of coolant from the thermostat housing 
 cover sealed by a rubber o ring which I have not yet replaced. Perhaps 
 coolant leaking because system pressurized?
 I'm considering taking car to radiator shop to have system pressure tested.
 Sent from my iPhone

  On Feb 28, 2015, at 8:09 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  Yes. No way I'm doing that in these ridiculous temps. A nice summer 
  project!

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  On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
  wrote:

  On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:16:13 -0600 Peter Frederick via Mercedes
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  Now that you have a forced open thermostat, it's time to do a citric
  acid flush.

  You will need a kilogram of food grade citric acid (should be able to
  find that fairly easily without spending the money for analytical
  grade).  Dissolve in a gallon of water.  Empty cooling system,
  including draining the block through the drain valve or plug.

  I think you might want to wait until the weather is back above
  freezing ...

  Craig

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[MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
 Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:45:40 PM EST
 To: OK Don okd...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

 That was my impression as well.

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 On Mar 1, 2015, at 1:59 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 I thought that a pressurized system in the AM is the result of a cracked 
 head or leaking head gasket.

 On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 12:53 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 So I've driven the car now for 250 miles with blocked open tstat  and no 
 overheating. I'm noticing that the cooling system is pressurized in the 
 mornings. This morning I noticed that the upper and lower radiator hoses 
 were moderately swollen, and there was a puff of air when I removed 
 radiator cap. There was some leakage of coolant from the thermostat housing 
 cover sealed by a rubber o ring which I have not yet replaced. Perhaps 
 coolant leaking because system pressurized?
 I'm considering taking car to radiator shop to have system pressure tested.
 Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

Why do you hate it?

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 If it was done it was before I got the car. I hate that stuff..
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

I can see why you hate it now.

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 I've used it twice and blocked two thermostats, the second one leading to a 
 bad head gasket in my wagon. Never more.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

So I've driven the car now for 250 miles with blocked open tstat  and no 
overheating. I'm noticing that the cooling system is pressurized in the 
mornings. This morning I noticed that the upper and lower radiator hoses were 
moderately swollen, and there was a puff of air when I removed radiator cap. 
There was some leakage of coolant from the thermostat housing cover sealed by a 
rubber o ring which I have not yet replaced. Perhaps coolant leaking because 
system pressurized? 
I'm considering taking car to radiator shop to have system pressure tested.
Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 28, 2015, at 8:09 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Yes. No way I'm doing that in these ridiculous temps. A nice summer project!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:16:13 -0600 Peter Frederick via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Now that you have a forced open thermostat, it's time to do a citric  
 acid flush.
 
 You will need a kilogram of food grade citric acid (should be able to  
 find that fairly easily without spending the money for analytical  
 grade).  Dissolve in a gallon of water.  Empty cooling system,  
 including draining the block through the drain valve or plug.
 
 I think you might want to wait until the weather is back above
 freezing ...
 
 
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[MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
 Date: February 28, 2015 at 1:40:46 PM EST
 To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

 Yeah like F*CK YOU PRIUS! 

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 On Feb 28, 2015, at 12:38 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 You should write a whimsical message on the cardboard blocking the radiator 
 to be read by drivers of the cars you are following.

 On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:01 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 The thermostat housing looked pretty good.

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Feb 27, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  IIRC corroded thermostat _housings_ can induce problems.
  The plates don't seat right.  If the bypass channel couldn't
  be closed properly, and hot water takes the path of least
  resistance, then it could overheat then.

  Did you check the inside of the thermostat housing for
  corrosion or damage?

  -- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

I blocked off the entire radiator this morning and drove to Maine. It took a 
while but the car reached normal operating temp- a tad bit above the 175 F 
mark. Halfway through the trip, I pulled over at the Kennebunkport service area 
and pulled some of the cardboard back to 50% coverage. I did this because I 
still had a good 1hr plus to go and didn't want to push my luck. The car 
started cooling down to just a tad above the 100F mark. 
Other than that the car drove like a dream. Even hit 80 mph! Didn't think 
theses old boys could do that.

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 On Feb 28, 2015, at 9:23 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 That  the manual cold idle knob. I miss my old 240D's.
 On Feb 28, 2015 9:05 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 I also thought the button was kind of cool and a good anti-theft device,
 especially since its way over on the other side of the console.
 I think I've still got all the pieces to convert it back to stock...
 -Curt
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 11:06 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
 
 
 
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 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
 Date: February 27, 2015 at 11:00:28 PM EST
 To: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
 
 I think the gp push button is kind of cool.
 
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 On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:56 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Actually the PO before my brotherr bought it put in that GP button.
 When the relay was bad my Indy offered to taje it back to stock, i said no
 leave the button.  Nostalgia for me. My first car- a 49 Pontiac had a
 starter button on the dash. I liked that you could hold it down as long as
 you thought was needed.
 
 On Feb 27, 2015 6:08 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 Not too many people will know how to steal it. First of all most young
 thieves today can't drive a stick. Second of all, nobody will know how to
 glow the car -Curt retrofitted it with pencil type plugs and wired them to
 a push button on the dash. Hahahaha dumb thieves, try stealing that!
 
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 On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 On 26/02/2015 6:42 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote:
 I love that “like I stole it” phrase!  Just imagining it a 240D is
 rather amusing……
 Are you suggesting no one would steal a 240D? or that driving it
 hard would likely go unnoticed by most folks?
 
 RB
 
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

Yes. No way I'm doing that in these ridiculous temps. A nice summer project!

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 On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:16:13 -0600 Peter Frederick via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Now that you have a forced open thermostat, it's time to do a citric  
 acid flush.
 
 You will need a kilogram of food grade citric acid (should be able to  
 find that fairly easily without spending the money for analytical  
 grade).  Dissolve in a gallon of water.  Empty cooling system,  
 including draining the block through the drain valve or plug.
 
 I think you might want to wait until the weather is back above
 freezing ...
 
 
 Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] ML

Wow 450 torque! Must be a blast!

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 On Feb 28, 2015, at 11:15 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Went with wifey and bought a 2012 ML V-6 bluejuice turbodizzel this 
 afternoon. Somewhat unpleasant experience dealing with the stealer. They 
 tried twice to stick me with the $650 documentation fee and we finally 
 walked out, the salesdroid chased us into the parking lot, finally they 
 caved. Then I made him throw in some roof racks for pissing me off and 
 wasting our time with their jerkaround.  Whole deal took 4 hr to come to 
 agreement, though we did also take 2 GLs out for a spin. go back tomorrow to 
 finalize.   Their whole process is not geared to buying more to shopping. 
  The salesdroid kept trying to run the script, that got old fast.  I clued my 
 wife into the game, and she is less tolerant of that kind of stuff than I am, 
 so she played her role well. 
 
 30k miles, they put new tires on it, rear pads and rotors replaced, front 
 pads 50% which is kinda weird (stability control?). CPO adds another year of 
 warranty, bought another 2 yrs, unlimited miles so 4.5yr altogether.
 
 This thing is a rocket, huge torque, very quiet. Easy to get to felonious 
 speeds very quickly accelerating from 60. Has like 450 ftlb torque. 
 
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[MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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Begin forwarded message:

 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
 Date: February 27, 2015 at 11:00:28 PM EST
 To: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

 I think the gp push button is kind of cool.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:56 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually the PO before my brotherr bought it put in that GP button. When the 
 relay was bad my Indy offered to taje it back to stock, i said no leave the 
 button.  Nostalgia for me. My first car- a 49 Pontiac had a starter button 
 on the dash. I liked that you could hold it down as long as you thought was 
 needed.

 On Feb 27, 2015 6:08 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 Not too many people will know how to steal it. First of all most young 
 thieves today can't drive a stick. Second of all, nobody will know how to 
 glow the car -Curt retrofitted it with pencil type plugs and wired them to 
 a push button on the dash. Hahahaha dumb thieves, try stealing that!

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  On 26/02/2015 6:42 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote:
  I love that “like I stole it” phrase!  Just imagining it a 240D is 
  rather amusing……
  Are you suggesting no one would steal a 240D? or that driving it hard 
  would likely go unnoticed by most folks?

  RB

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

Oops. Sorry for assuming that you did it! 

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 On Feb 27, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I retro fit nothing, it came that way. I put replacement glowplugs in and 
 upped the size of the wires to them which made a big difference in cold 
 starting the car...
 -Curt 
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 To: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca; Mercedes Discussion List 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
 
 Not too many people will know how to steal it. First of all most young 
 thieves today can't drive a stick. Second of all, nobody will know how to 
 glow the car -Curt retrofitted it with pencil type plugs and wired them to a 
 push button on the dash. Hahahaha dumb thieves, try stealing that!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 On 26/02/2015 6:42 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote:
 I love that “like I stole it” phrase!  Just imagining it a 240D is rather 
 amusing……
 Are you suggesting no one would steal a 240D? or that driving it hard would 
 likely go unnoticed by most folks?
 
 RB
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

The thermostat housing looked pretty good.

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 wrote:
 
 IIRC corroded thermostat _housings_ can induce problems.
 The plates don't seat right.  If the bypass channel couldn't
 be closed properly, and hot water takes the path of least
 resistance, then it could overheat then.
 
 Did you check the inside of the thermostat housing for
 corrosion or damage?
 
 -- Jim
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] limited slip rear end for w126 cars

The 560SEL definitely had it. Not sure if standard equipment or as an option.

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 Hello  Does anyone on the list have access to which w126 cars may have come 
 with limited slip rear ends (posi).
 
 I have the idea that some of the big body gas cars may have been equiped with 
 a limited slip rear end.  Which ones would have a similar gear ratio to what 
 the sdl came with?  How to identify the limited slip rear end?  Thanks Ron 
 Courcy
 
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Re: [MBZ] Recovering a Leather Steering Wheel

The pattern made from the old piece with not be very accurate as it will be 
bulged and stretched. It will only give you a general idea

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 I'm not sure if this is good or bad, but since the steering wheel in question 
 has wood segments, I won't have to cover the whole thing, just three 
 relatively small areas at 9:00, 3:00 and 6:00 o'clock, extending in to the 
 area around the air bag.
 
 Again, I plan on using a seam ripper to carefully deconstruct the existing 
 leather so I have a pattern for each piece. Hopefully, that will make the 
 replacement pieces easier to lay out and install.
 
 Dan
 
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 On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:49 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Glad to help. With a bit of care and effort you can produce a perfect wheel 
 cover that will be a good as the $300+ job.
 
 I forgot to mention.. on the hem seam.. use a straight edge [I used a metal 
 yard stick ] and mark the fold to line on the inside surface of the strip. 
 It will help give you a sharp uniform finish on the final product. Lead 
 pencil line worked for me.
 
 From my experience, most Tandy stores are Owner Operated under the franchise 
 name, so some will have smaller pieces , so do not.. Also.. it will depend 
 on your choice of leathers.. If you are doing the wheel in baby seal or 
 extinct condor  chances are you will have to buy the whole hide.. ;))
 
 The strip to make the hoop will be about 6 X 50 [adjusted to your 
 particular wheel]
 
 If you wish, you can add things like increased hand grip areas by laying in 
 additional layers of leather or closed cell foam. Again, simple white glue 
 will suffice to hold those in place until install.. Don't use much.. just a 
 dab spread thinly will do the job.  When you dampen the leather on install, 
 the glue will soften and allow a bit of slip to stretch the single layer 
 leather which will define the increased width areas .. Again.. take you 
 time.
 
 And.. don't forget .. pictures to show off your progress and finished 
 product... 
 
 Can't do an Attaboy without pictures.. ;))
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Re: [MBZ] Recovering a Leather Steering Wheel

Sounds like a fun project. I'm dabbling in the car upholstery world myself. 
Sewing leather is very satisfying.


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 True, but at least it will give me a rough idea of the size and shape of the 
 material. Much better than having to wing it.
 
 I was thinking about how easy it might be to add some bumps for finger grips 
 and suchmaybe some small pieces of leather glued inside, or some foam
 
 Dan
 
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 On Feb 27, 2015, at 7:51 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 The pattern made from the old piece with not be very accurate as it will be 
 bulged and stretched. It will only give you a general idea
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 27, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I'm not sure if this is good or bad, but since the steering wheel in 
 question has wood segments, I won't have to cover the whole thing, just 
 three relatively small areas at 9:00, 3:00 and 6:00 o'clock, extending in 
 to the area around the air bag.
 
 Again, I plan on using a seam ripper to carefully deconstruct the existing 
 leather so I have a pattern for each piece. Hopefully, that will make the 
 replacement pieces easier to lay out and install.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:49 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Glad to help. With a bit of care and effort you can produce a perfect 
 wheel cover that will be a good as the $300+ job.
 
 I forgot to mention.. on the hem seam.. use a straight edge [I used a 
 metal yard stick ] and mark the fold to line on the inside surface of 
 the strip. It will help give you a sharp uniform finish on the final 
 product. Lead pencil line worked for me.
 
 From my experience, most Tandy stores are Owner Operated under the 
 franchise name, so some will have smaller pieces , so do not.. Also.. it 
 will depend on your choice of leathers.. If you are doing the wheel in 
 baby seal or extinct condor  chances are you will have to buy the 
 whole hide.. ;))
 
 The strip to make the hoop will be about 6 X 50 [adjusted to your 
 particular wheel]
 
 If you wish, you can add things like increased hand grip areas by laying 
 in additional layers of leather or closed cell foam. Again, simple white 
 glue will suffice to hold those in place until install.. Don't use much.. 
 just a dab spread thinly will do the job.  When you dampen the leather on 
 install, the glue will soften and allow a bit of slip to stretch the 
 single layer leather which will define the increased width areas .. 
 Again.. take you time.
 
 And.. don't forget .. pictures to show off your progress and finished 
 product... 
 
 Can't do an Attaboy without pictures.. ;))
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

Today I blocked about 1/2 the radiator with a piece of cardboard. I then drove 
the car for 25 miles on city and suburban roads. The temp gauge read cold -no 
more than a hair above the 100 degree Fahrenheit mark at its warmest.

I might get daring and drive it up to Maine tomorrow.

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 Oh. I like it!
 -Curt
 
 
  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
 
 So, how about a new theory - or at least an extension of an existing theory?
 
 With the thermostat blocked open, there is constant flow of coolant so 
 whatever is loose in the engine and occasionally blocking the flow is 
 being held in place by the flow.
 When the thermostat was operating normally and thus opening and closing 
 as the temperature of the coolant rose and fell, the flow would increase 
 or decrease. That permitted whatever loose item is inside the engine to 
 shift around and cause trougle.
 
 RB
 
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 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
 Date: February 26, 2015 at 6:15:05 PM EST
 To: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
 
 I sure hope it stays that way. I drove the car like I stole it today for a 
 total of 90 miles in conditions ranging from stop and go city traffic to 
 75mph highway travel. The temp gauge read stone cold the entire time with 
 no exceptions. Very interesting.
 
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 On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If it stays that way until you take out the copper, then it will prove the 
 car has had 3 bad thermostats.
 
 
 So if the car had a head issue, would the temp drop from almost red zone 
 to normal like that by engine breaking down a hill?
 
 BTW, I've been driving with forced open tstat now and the temp gauge 
 reads stone cold, even after a 15 minutes 65 mph highway drive. It will 
 not budge.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

Not too many people will know how to steal it. First of all most young thieves 
today can't drive a stick. Second of all, nobody will know how to glow the car 
-Curt retrofitted it with pencil type plugs and wired them to a push button on 
the dash. Hahahaha dumb thieves, try stealing that!

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 On 26/02/2015 6:42 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote:
 I love that “like I stole it” phrase!  Just imagining it a 240D is rather 
 amusing……
 Are you suggesting no one would steal a 240D? or that driving it hard would 
 likely go unnoticed by most folks?
 
 RB
 
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

Still not sure I understand why engine braking  especially down hill would 
lower temps dramatically.
Perhaps it causes an air bubble to dislodge?

Anyway, I just forced the tstat open with a piece of brass tubing. Let's see 
what that does.

If I get no answers, I will take car to radiator shop. They said they will 
pressure test cooling system and also look for head leaks. About $100 for that 
service. 
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 dseretakis--- wrote:
 
 Interestingly, I noticed that heavy engine braking down hill
 would bring the temps from almost in the red to normal, but once
 I started accelerating the temp would rise again. Wonder why it
 did that?
 
 At idle, most diesel engines produce very little heat.  With the
 engine forced to turn and pump cold air through it, what little
 heat the burning fuel made is carried out the tail pipe.
 
 So - no heat being generated means no heat for the cooling system
 to carry away - so no problem!
 
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

So if the car had a head issue, would the temp drop from almost red zone to 
normal like that by engine breaking down a hill?

BTW, I've been driving with forced open tstat now and the temp gauge reads 
stone cold, even after a 15 minutes 65 mph highway drive. It will not budge.

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 On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 gassers control combustion by a flapper in the air intake, controlling 
 airflow into the cyl.  Diesels run at full air flow all the time, combustion 
 is controlled with fuel.  In effect coasting downhill, the fuel is shut off, 
 no heat occurrs and the cylinders are washed with lotsa cool air.  nothing to 
 generate heat, cept friction.
 
 
 
 Still not sure I understand why engine braking  especially down hill would 
 lower temps dramatically.
 Perhaps it causes an air bubble to dislodge?
 
 Anyway, I just forced the tstat open with a piece of brass tubing. Let's see 
 what that does.
 
 If I get no answers, I will take car to radiator shop. They said they will 
 pressure test cooling system and also look for head leaks. About $100 for 
 that service.
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 wrote:
 
 dseretakis--- wrote:
 
 Interestingly, I noticed that heavy engine braking down hill
 would bring the temps from almost in the red to normal, but once
 I started accelerating the temp would rise again. Wonder why it
 did that?
 
 At idle, most diesel engines produce very little heat.  With the
 engine forced to turn and pump cold air through it, what little
 heat the burning fuel made is carried out the tail pipe.
 
 So - no heat being generated means no heat for the cooling system
 to carry away - so no problem!
 
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[MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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Begin forwarded message:

 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
 Date: February 26, 2015 at 6:15:05 PM EST
 To: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

 I sure hope it stays that way. I drove the car like I stole it today for a 
 total of 90 miles in conditions ranging from stop and go city traffic to 
 75mph highway travel. The temp gauge read stone cold the entire time with no 
 exceptions. Very interesting.

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 On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 If it stays that way until you take out the copper, then it will prove the 
 car has had 3 bad thermostats.

 So if the car had a head issue, would the temp drop from almost red zone to 
 normal like that by engine breaking down a hill?

 BTW, I've been driving with forced open tstat now and the temp gauge reads 
 stone cold, even after a 15 minutes 65 mph highway drive. It will not budge.

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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

That would be really weird!  I need to test car for a few more days to confirm.

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 On Feb 26, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 3 bad thermostats at least?
 On Feb 26, 2015 4:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 On 26/02/2015 2:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 
 On the one hand I hope this fixes the issue because I'd like to see it
 fixed. On the other hand I really hope this isn't it...
 
 Curt
 
 
 So, if this did fix it, then the verdict would be a bad thermostat??
 
 RB
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

Believe me, I won't get my hopes up! This car is possessed!

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 On Feb 26, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Be patient.  It's been an intermittent thing so you want to be sure this is
 the problem.  Partially blocking the radiator is a good idea.  It will help
 achieve a more normal engine temp as well as make the problem visible
 sooner, if it recurs.  Good luck with this.
 
 -Original Message-
 From:  dseretakis--- via Mercedes
 Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:16 PM
 ...
 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
 Date: February 26, 2015 at 6:15:05 PM EST
 To: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
 
 I sure hope it stays that way. I drove the car like I stole it today for
 a total of
 90 miles in conditions ranging from stop and go city traffic to 75mph
 highway
 travel. The temp gauge read stone cold the entire time with no exceptions.
 Very interesting.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-25 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes

Yup, it's NOT fixed. I drove the piss out of it today and it was fine. The 
lower rad hose started warming up indicating coolant circulation. No 
overheating. Then went to a friend's house and on way back it started again, 
temp rising, no heat, the usual. It was a 7 mile trip back home that required 
pulling over four times to let it cool down enough to start driving again. 
Interestingly, I noticed that heavy engine braking down hill would bring the 
temps from almost in the red to normal, but once I started accelerating the 
temp would rise again. Wonder why it did that?
Anyway, I plan on blocking open the thermostat first thing in the am.

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 On 25/02/2015 1:20 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
 ‎dsereta...@yahoo.com; wrote
 snips
 No overheating. Heat working fine.
 Popped hood when arrived home, felt lower radiator hose and it was stone 
 cold.
 Sounds like problem solved to me.
 The lower radiator hose is cold and the heater is warm, because the engine 
 cooling system is working as designed.
 
 Rick
 
 I would not bet on that given the history.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

2015-02-25 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes

I have one in ME but not with me here in MA. 

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 You really need to get an IR thermometer and get a map of temperatures on the 
 engine, hoses and radiator. That will yield a significant amount of 
 information as far as what's going on both in the engine and radiator.
 
 Dan
 
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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 On 25/02/2015 1:20 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
 ‎dsereta...@yahoo.com; wrote
 snips
 No overheating. Heat working fine.
 Popped hood when arrived home, felt lower radiator hose and it was stone 
 cold.
 Sounds like problem solved to me.
 The lower radiator hose is cold and the heater is warm, because the engine 
 cooling system is working as designed.
 
 Rick
 
 I would not bet on that given the history.
 
 RB
 
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

Just picked up car from the mechanic. I drive it back about 25 minutes local 
inner city driving and some small highway. No overheating. Heat working fine. 
Popped hood when arrived home, felt lower radiator hose and it was stone cold. 
Clearly there is no flow. 
Time for Cathey tstat trick.

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 Bubbles have never appeared in coolant.
 
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 On Feb 23, 2015, at 12:42 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
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 Run the engine with the radiator cap off, while you watch the coolant
 through the filler neck.
 
 If you see bubbles in the coolant while it is running, you have a cracked
 head, block cavitation, or leaking head gasket causing combustion air
 intrusion into coolant system. IF, as engine temp increases, the bubbles
 increase to the point coolant is surging out of the filler neck.. certainly
 combustion intrusion, and always overheat will follow if the system is
 sealed.
 
 I suspect the original loss of lower cooling hose clamp was due to over
 pressure from combustion gas into coolant which simply blew off the hose at
 the weakest point, which happened to be a weak hose clamp, rather than the
 radiator hose.
 
 Further, I suspect all efforts since have not addressed the original issue,
 thus cured it.
 
 Bring the car a little closer to the computer so I can see it better
 . ;)))
 
 
 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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 On 22/02/2015 3:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 
 I say the temperature gauge is faulty.
 
 
 Pay attention Andrew.
 It overheats and spews coolant out of the overflow hose.
 If it was just an issue of a bad sensor or gauge, it would tell you it was
 hot but it would not spew coolant.
 
 
 RB
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter

I don't know what to think. The truth is that my part of the world is getting 
colder, not warmer. It is my understanding that warming is responsible for the 
climate change as we now call it. Problem is that I don't see any warming but 
polar ice caps are melting so how is that explained? And our ozone layer has a 
big hole in it! 

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 On Feb 24, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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 Oh, the joys of conspiracy theories!  So much more comforting than dealing
 with truth.
 
 On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 1:03 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 40 years ago we had to give up R-12 because of global cooling.
 Now that we have global warming, why can't we use R-12 again?
 Seems like it would counteract global warming.
 Gerry
 
 That too was a hoax.  We had to abandon r-12 because the dupont patent was
 expiring.  They had the best pols money could buy, as well as extremist
 groups.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

Thanks for the dimensions!
It is a wahler. It is made in Germany.
Should I heat the tstat in boiling water to open it up to facilitate insertion 
of copper pipe/shell casing?
What will prevent it from dislodging?

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On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
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 He ruined Curt's made in France thermostat. The OE one I got from CC is 
 intact.
  As far as Jim Cathey's mod, I don't have a shell casing so will be using 
  3/8 copper pipe. What length is good?
 
 
 
 22.81 mm or .898 inch.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_ACP
 
 
 
 Is the OE a behr?  Where was it made?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

It was no more than 15 degrees out when I was driving so maybe you are right 
that coolant is losing heat in radiator prior to returning to engine. 
Interesting hypothesis!

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 On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
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 What is the outside temp?   Around here I'd be shocked if the lower radiator 
 hose was warm at all even driving around in town, it's 17 at the moment, and 
 the coolant will lose all the heat in the radiator long before it goes back 
 into the engine.  T-Stat is probably just cracked open, unlike when it's warm 
 out.
 
 Idle it for a while protected from the wind and see if the radiator warms up. 
  If not, and the temp climbs, you still have a problem.  If it warms up, the 
 thermostat is at least partially opening.
 
 Peter
 
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Re: [MBZ] Out of town again

Boston?;)

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 On Feb 24, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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 Anybody want to guess what exotic location I am in this week?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info