Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
If you don't want to bother with pressure bleeding, drip bleeding will probably be fine. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:32 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: New brakes, you should change out the fluid with new. Brake fluid degrades with use. Now is a good time. Grant... On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You may be right, I hate to spend all the money on a master cylinder and not need to... I need to get some more fluid and try again. This time I'll buy a quart. -Curt Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:23:42 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH! Message-ID: cantulyjj7ac+wrkn2vv2nvsk2bkis-e3f7qxpv9ggda0j5y...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt, I'll bet that you still have air in the line. Did you start the reverse bleed at the longest line, then the next longest, etc? Air acts as a spring since it can be compressed. If there is a section of the brake line what has fluid before the bubble and after the bubble [like from the master cylinder] that air will compress enough to feel like you have brake pressure then when released, expand and push the fluid back to the master... next peddle push, you start pushing fluid all over again.. Suggest you take some fluid out of the master tank and pump from the bleed screw again.. Or, if you have a spare electric fuel pump lying around... attach some barb fittings and clear hose to it and let it do the work while you watch the master tank for bubbles [you will see them as they are pushed up]. In any case, hope it sorts out for you. Grant... On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Used Grant's method to bleed the rear brakes on my '84 190D today. I wish I could say it worked perfectly but it didn't. I *think* yesterday's efforts to tag-team the bleeding (with Angie's help) may have cost me in the long run. Right now if I pump the brakes they'll build pressure and work fine until I release and try again at which point they're back to bottom of the throw. The fronts still work fine but the pedal is bottom of the barrel. I *think* this means the MC needs replacing, what say you? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
Fred, who is the best guy in the whole wide world, loaned me his speedee bleeder (a proper one that hooks to the tire and has a regulator) which makes this the easiest job in the world. The guys who said air in the lines were right, everything now works as it should. Having used one, the next time I need to do brakes I'll either borrow Fred's again or buy my own bleeder, its not worth mucking about with any other method, you open the bleed line, the air comes out followed by fluid, you let as much fluid as you want to purge come out and you're done. I imagine it makes changing the fluid very easy. That reminds me I should see if the adapter he has fits the Ranger, I should replace the fluid in that while I have the bleeder. -Curt Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:46:21 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH! Message-ID: CACnCPhkWFs0jjxBk0rpLJC=39leggxele+_o71rrru5kssm...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you don't want to bother with pressure bleeding, drip bleeding will probably be fine. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:32 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: New brakes, you should change out the fluid with new. Brake fluid degrades with use. Now is a good time. Grant... On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You may be right, I hate to spend all the money on a master cylinder and not need to... I need to get some more fluid and try again. This time I'll buy a quart. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
Curt Raymond wrote: Having used one, the next time I need to do brakes I'll either borrow Fred's again or buy my own bleeder, its not worth mucking about with any other method, you open the bleed line, the air comes out followed by fluid, you let as much fluid as you want to purge come out and you're done. I imagine it makes changing the fluid very easy. Now all you need is a liter of ATE racing blue to fill it with next year when you change the fluid before it darkens much. When the blue dye starts coming out, you've flushed that line. I bought a liter of the stuff ten years ago and still haven't opened it. I plan on annual changes but actually do it every two years or so and by then I can tell the old from the new by sight without the help of any dye. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: I bought a liter of the stuff ten years ago and still haven't opened it. M ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: I bought a liter of the stuff ten years ago and still haven't opened it. Me too. (Well, more like five years ago.) Is it still good? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Me too. (Well, more like five years ago.) Is it still good? Mine came in a steel can. I assume it's good until the can springs a leak. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
Used Grant's method to bleed the rear brakes on my '84 190D today. I wish I could say it worked perfectly but it didn't. I *think* yesterday's efforts to tag-team the bleeding (with Angie's help) may have cost me in the long run. Right now if I pump the brakes they'll build pressure and work fine until I release and try again at which point they're back to bottom of the throw. The fronts still work fine but the pedal is bottom of the barrel. I *think* this means the MC needs replacing, what say you? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
Curt, I'll bet that you still have air in the line. Did you start the reverse bleed at the longest line, then the next longest, etc? Air acts as a spring since it can be compressed. If there is a section of the brake line what has fluid before the bubble and after the bubble [like from the master cylinder] that air will compress enough to feel like you have brake pressure then when released, expand and push the fluid back to the master... next peddle push, you start pushing fluid all over again.. Suggest you take some fluid out of the master tank and pump from the bleed screw again.. Or, if you have a spare electric fuel pump lying around... attach some barb fittings and clear hose to it and let it do the work while you watch the master tank for bubbles [you will see them as they are pushed up]. In any case, hope it sorts out for you. Grant... On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Used Grant's method to bleed the rear brakes on my '84 190D today. I wish I could say it worked perfectly but it didn't. I *think* yesterday's efforts to tag-team the bleeding (with Angie's help) may have cost me in the long run. Right now if I pump the brakes they'll build pressure and work fine until I release and try again at which point they're back to bottom of the throw. The fronts still work fine but the pedal is bottom of the barrel. I *think* this means the MC needs replacing, what say you? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
No. sounds exactly like air in the line. try bleeding again. Frustrating, and expensive, especially with silicon fluid. Used Grant's method to bleed the rear brakes on my '84 190D today. I wish I could say it worked perfectly but it didn't. I *think* yesterday's efforts to tag-team the bleeding (with Angie's help) may have cost me in the long run. Right now if I pump the brakes they'll build pressure and work fine until I release and try again at which point they're back to bottom of the throw. The fronts still work fine but the pedal is bottom of the barrel. I *think* this means the MC needs replacing, what say you? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
Curt. Sounds like an air bubble somewhere. I have a Speedi-Bleed that you can use. Use other email for reply. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:56 AM Subject: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH! Used Grant's method to bleed the rear brakes on my '84 190D today. I wish I could say it worked perfectly but it didn't. I *think* yesterday's efforts to tag-team the bleeding (with Angie's help) may have cost me in the long run. Right now if I pump the brakes they'll build pressure and work fine until I release and try again at which point they're back to bottom of the throw. The fronts still work fine but the pedal is bottom of the barrel. I *think* this means the MC needs replacing, what say you? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
G Mann wrote: Curt, I'll bet that you still have air in the line. Did you start the reverse bleed at the longest line, then the next longest, etc? The Olds drove me nuts for a week. First I did the farthest wheel (the one I had to replace a line on) until I quit seeing bubbles, then I did the rest. Pedal still went to the floor. Tested it on a dirt road, one front brake would lock, the other three couldn't skid in gravel. Bled all around again, no change. Pretty much decided it was in the ABS unit or the master cylinder. Old style ABS unit with bleed screws on it, no bubbles from ABS bleeders. Problem was in the back brake that had the busted line. I just didn't bleed it enough the first two times. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Right now if I pump the brakes they'll build pressure and work fine until I release and try again at which point they're back to bottom of the throw. The fronts still work fine but the pedal is bottom of the barrel. I *think* this means the MC needs replacing, what say you? If it were a damaged master cylinder (MC) seals, then it would not _hold_ pressure. If pumping the pedal will build pressure, and the pedal does not sink, then the master cylinder is likely okay. Once there is pressure, does it feel soft? Soft pedal is a clear indication of air in the lines. When you release and try again, is that with the car driving down the road, or when sitting in the driveway? If the pedal is firm, but too low, then also check for something pushing the pads too far from the rotor surface. Drum brakes, which use a spring to return, a low pedal or pumping is an indication of brake mis-adjustment. Since disk brakes use the rotor movement rather than a spring for return, a warped rotor, or one not seated flush on the hub will cause similar symptoms. -- Philip, who has one car in the fleet with 4 wheel drum brakes. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
When I ordered new rubber brake lines for the 260E I had, I bought a $10 Brake Bleeding Kit as well http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=xz2z3q55xchaxxbgw1xftfropartnumber=19200LISLE First time for me, but had no issues (thankfully) bleeding/flushing the lines with new syn DOT 3/4 fluid, just by pumping the brake pedal (being careful not to depress it fully) keeping the reservoir filled. IIRC I did go through 2-3 (small) bottles making sure all the old brake fluid was flushed out. -- Chris J. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
You may be right, I hate to spend all the money on a master cylinder and not need to... I need to get some more fluid and try again. This time I'll buy a quart. -Curt Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:23:42 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH! Message-ID: cantulyjj7ac+wrkn2vv2nvsk2bkis-e3f7qxpv9ggda0j5y...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt, I'll bet that you still have air in the line. Did you start the reverse bleed at the longest line, then the next longest, etc? Air acts as a spring since it can be compressed. If there is a section of the brake line what has fluid before the bubble and after the bubble [like from the master cylinder] that air will compress enough to feel like you have brake pressure then when released, expand and push the fluid back to the master... next peddle push, you start pushing fluid all over again.. Suggest you take some fluid out of the master tank and pump from the bleed screw again.. Or, if you have a spare electric fuel pump lying around... attach some barb fittings and clear hose to it and let it do the work while you watch the master tank for bubbles [you will see them as they are pushed up]. In any case, hope it sorts out for you. Grant... On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Used Grant's method to bleed the rear brakes on my '84 190D today. I wish I could say it worked perfectly but it didn't. I *think* yesterday's efforts to tag-team the bleeding (with Angie's help) may have cost me in the long run. Right now if I pump the brakes they'll build pressure and work fine until I release and try again at which point they're back to bottom of the throw. The fronts still work fine but the pedal is bottom of the barrel. I *think* this means the MC needs replacing, what say you? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
New brakes, you should change out the fluid with new. Brake fluid degrades with use. Now is a good time. Grant... On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You may be right, I hate to spend all the money on a master cylinder and not need to... I need to get some more fluid and try again. This time I'll buy a quart. -Curt Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:23:42 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH! Message-ID: cantulyjj7ac+wrkn2vv2nvsk2bkis-e3f7qxpv9ggda0j5y...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt, I'll bet that you still have air in the line. Did you start the reverse bleed at the longest line, then the next longest, etc? Air acts as a spring since it can be compressed. If there is a section of the brake line what has fluid before the bubble and after the bubble [like from the master cylinder] that air will compress enough to feel like you have brake pressure then when released, expand and push the fluid back to the master... next peddle push, you start pushing fluid all over again.. Suggest you take some fluid out of the master tank and pump from the bleed screw again.. Or, if you have a spare electric fuel pump lying around... attach some barb fittings and clear hose to it and let it do the work while you watch the master tank for bubbles [you will see them as they are pushed up]. In any case, hope it sorts out for you. Grant... On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Used Grant's method to bleed the rear brakes on my '84 190D today. I wish I could say it worked perfectly but it didn't. I *think* yesterday's efforts to tag-team the bleeding (with Angie's help) may have cost me in the long run. Right now if I pump the brakes they'll build pressure and work fine until I release and try again at which point they're back to bottom of the throw. The fronts still work fine but the pedal is bottom of the barrel. I *think* this means the MC needs replacing, what say you? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes and bedding
No mention was made of bedding the brakes in? Recently put some ATE ceramics pads on the rear with new rotors, instructions for bedding in brakes where very specific and lenghty, typical German style. Hendrik who took the car for a trash around the block to get some heat in the brakes On 11/09/12 05:39, Max Dillon wrote: Very nice. Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: My wife reported that the brakes in the 190D made a noise and then got quiet and it scared her. Apparently her definition of quiet and mine aren't the same because when I tried it the right front wheel made an ungodly racket. It'd had a hardened spot on the rotor for some time so I'd already ordered new rotors and pads. Yesterday I installed. Remember a couple weeks ago I asked about replacing the rotor without pulling the hub? A year or two ago I'd done the bearings on the passenger front and the rotor kept falling off as I tried to set the preload. Well yesterday that ^%$@#! rotor wouldn't come off for love nor money. I had to pull the hub and balance it on two 2x4s and beat the hub out of the rotor. On that side the pads fell out of the caliper when I pulled it, neither had any friction material to speak of. On the other side one of the big bolts that holds the caliper on would NOT come off. I resorted to the heat wrench which is hard because the small bolts have a little rubber bellows thing on them, I didn't realize at the time I could take rubber bellows thing off. On that side the pads were fine... I*think* when I did the bearing I got grease on the rotor which created the hardspot and ruined the pads. So it goes. Rusty sent me ceramic pads, I don't remember what brand he said they were but they were in a Textar box. Apparently Akebono doesn't have an application for a 190D. The rotors he sent (I spec'd the cheap PBR ones which I had used on my '83 240D with success) are very nice and thick. They weigh about twice the ones I took off and are marked Made in Germany on the rim. My wife is VERY pleased with the new brakes and much more confident in the car and my abilities. The latter is of course a nice feeling. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
I think its a local choice of what shows to broadcast, its still on Maine Public Broadcasting, 4:30pm on Saturday. As an aside we've got tickets to see the Red Green Wit and Wisdom tour on the 30th of October in Keene, NH. To show what NPR afficianados we are we saw Ira Glass there in the spring. -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:33:27 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Message-ID: a062408bdcc74369ffa7a@[192.168.0.2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Max Dillon wrote: Alpha sierra is aw s##t, usually followed by many and more colorful expressions. Or for Red Dwarf fans, Aw smeg! -- Philip Not much left on PBS here. they took off Red Dwarf, they took off Dr. Who, now they took off Red Green. That is heresy... Only Sat night britcoms, and most of those I have seen before. IPBN kept gas in the possum van for a lot of years. Now they dump him. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
I'm jealous. Tried to get our local art house theater to book the Mike Birbiglia film that he and Ira did. No luck so far. I got to meet the cast of Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me last year in Sarasota. I even got to shake Karl Cassell's hand! Dan NPR nerd On Sep 11, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I think its a local choice of what shows to broadcast, its still on Maine Public Broadcasting, 4:30pm on Saturday. As an aside we've got tickets to see the Red Green Wit and Wisdom tour on the 30th of October in Keene, NH. To show what NPR afficianados we are we saw Ira Glass there in the spring. -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:33:27 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Message-ID: a062408bdcc74369ffa7a@[192.168.0.2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Max Dillon wrote: Alpha sierra is aw s##t, usually followed by many and more colorful expressions. Or for Red Dwarf fans, Aw smeg! -- Philip Not much left on PBS here. they took off Red Dwarf, they took off Dr. Who, now they took off Red Green. That is heresy... Only Sat night britcoms, and most of those I have seen before. IPBN kept gas in the possum van for a lot of years. Now they dump him. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
On 10/09/2012 7:25 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Y'all need a better impact wrench. Randy Glad to see that y'all Southern Canadians speak correspondingly with Southerners in the US of A! Just trying to make sure y'all understand. Randy who was exposed to that sort of language by some folks with a cottage out on Lake of the Woods who hailed from Memphis ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
I have a vague recollection of a story similar to that where the non-snorer woke the other fellow and made some suggestive comment about being gay. Solved the problem because the snorer was then afraid to go back to sleep. Randy On 10/09/2012 7:35 PM, WILTON wrote: While in Greenland in '78 Col. Base Commander and I flew with Danish Air Force crew on their C-130H into the far-south Greenland air field/village of Narsassuaq. Checking into the hotel there, I was shocked by price of the lodging and obviously showed it. Colonel eased up beside me and whispered in my ear, Wilt, I'll 'let' you share a room with me if you'll promise me you don't snore. I replied, Indeed, I don't. That night, with each of us snug in our twin beds, the room began to shake and shudder as he got into some absolutely first class, gold medal, champion snoring. I was up and down all night kicking his bed post to try to make him stop for a few minutes so I could doze off for a bit - very little sleep that night for me. Next morning, I said to 'im, Damn/doggone your time, please don't ever 'let' me share a room with you again. He grinned and said, What? Did I snore? I don't snore, do I? Wilton - Original Message - From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Snoring is bad for marriages but good for the twin bed industry. Of course, serious snorers sometimes have to move into the guest room. Once shared a hotel room with a friend. Never before or since have I heard anything like his snoring. Since sleep was no option, even after blocking it with four pillows, I turned on a tape recorder with the idea of playing it for him later. When played the next morning, the transistors had continuously peaked producing nothing but a steady roar. How his wife stood it I'll never know. Gerry On 10/09/2012 4:50 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote: I had 36 years this past weekend but I suffer like you Randy, not sure how much longer I can take the elbows to my back for snoring. Rusty Cullens The thing that I really find truly amazing is that I don't hear it. I have sort of woken up and realized I was snoring but when truly sleeping one does not know one is snoring. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Ira was great, it was just him on a black stage with his iPad for musical accompaniment. He spoke for about 2 hours and then took questions for another half hour or so. -Curt Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:13:13 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Message-ID: e65f6cb4-a125-4603-a825-666520ff0...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm jealous. Tried to get our local art house theater to book the Mike Birbiglia film that he and Ira did. No luck so far. I got to meet the cast of Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me last year in Sarasota. I even got to shake Karl Cassell's hand! Dan NPR nerd On Sep 11, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I think its a local choice of what shows to broadcast, its still on Maine Public Broadcasting, 4:30pm on Saturday. As an aside we've got tickets to see the Red Green Wit and Wisdom tour on the 30th of October in Keene, NH. To show what NPR afficianados we are we saw Ira Glass there in the spring. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
I've been trying to train 'im. 'Coming along very nicely, eh?. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes On 10/09/2012 7:25 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Y'all need a better impact wrench. Randy Glad to see that y'all Southern Canadians speak correspondingly with Southerners in the US of A! Just trying to make sure y'all understand. Randy who was exposed to that sort of language by some folks with a cottage out on Lake of the Woods who hailed from Memphis ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Well, I wouldn't have done anything like that to The Colonel, my commander at the time, but I certainly laid some kicking on is bedposts. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes I have a vague recollection of a story similar to that where the non-snorer woke the other fellow and made some suggestive comment about being gay. Solved the problem because the snorer was then afraid to go back to sleep. Randy On 10/09/2012 7:35 PM, WILTON wrote: While in Greenland in '78 Col. Base Commander and I flew with Danish Air Force crew on their C-130H into the far-south Greenland air field/village of Narsassuaq. Checking into the hotel there, I was shocked by price of the lodging and obviously showed it. Colonel eased up beside me and whispered in my ear, Wilt, I'll 'let' you share a room with me if you'll promise me you don't snore. I replied, Indeed, I don't. That night, with each of us snug in our twin beds, the room began to shake and shudder as he got into some absolutely first class, gold medal, champion snoring. I was up and down all night kicking his bed post to try to make him stop for a few minutes so I could doze off for a bit - very little sleep that night for me. Next morning, I said to 'im, Damn/doggone your time, please don't ever 'let' me share a room with you again. He grinned and said, What? Did I snore? I don't snore, do I? Wilton - Original Message - From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Snoring is bad for marriages but good for the twin bed industry. Of course, serious snorers sometimes have to move into the guest room. Once shared a hotel room with a friend. Never before or since have I heard anything like his snoring. Since sleep was no option, even after blocking it with four pillows, I turned on a tape recorder with the idea of playing it for him later. When played the next morning, the transistors had continuously peaked producing nothing but a steady roar. How his wife stood it I'll never know. Gerry On 10/09/2012 4:50 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote: I had 36 years this past weekend but I suffer like you Randy, not sure how much longer I can take the elbows to my back for snoring. Rusty Cullens The thing that I really find truly amazing is that I don't hear it. I have sort of woken up and realized I was snoring but when truly sleeping one does not know one is snoring. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 190D brakes
My wife reported that the brakes in the 190D made a noise and then got quiet and it scared her. Apparently her definition of quiet and mine aren't the same because when I tried it the right front wheel made an ungodly racket. It'd had a hardened spot on the rotor for some time so I'd already ordered new rotors and pads. Yesterday I installed. Remember a couple weeks ago I asked about replacing the rotor without pulling the hub? A year or two ago I'd done the bearings on the passenger front and the rotor kept falling off as I tried to set the preload. Well yesterday that ^%$@#! rotor wouldn't come off for love nor money. I had to pull the hub and balance it on two 2x4s and beat the hub out of the rotor. On that side the pads fell out of the caliper when I pulled it, neither had any friction material to speak of. On the other side one of the big bolts that holds the caliper on would NOT come off. I resorted to the heat wrench which is hard because the small bolts have a little rubber bellows thing on them, I didn't realize at the time I could take rubber bellows thing off. On that side the pads were fine... I *think* when I did the bearing I got grease on the rotor which created the hardspot and ruined the pads. So it goes. Rusty sent me ceramic pads, I don't remember what brand he said they were but they were in a Textar box. Apparently Akebono doesn't have an application for a 190D. The rotors he sent (I spec'd the cheap PBR ones which I had used on my '83 240D with success) are very nice and thick. They weigh about twice the ones I took off and are marked Made in Germany on the rim. My wife is VERY pleased with the new brakes and much more confident in the car and my abilities. The latter is of course a nice feeling. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Yep, those of us with SWMBO's are still in training - 59 1/2 years for me. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 3:15 PM Subject: [MBZ] 190D brakes My wife reported that the brakes in the 190D made a noise and then got quiet and it scared her. Apparently her definition of quiet and mine aren't the same because when I tried it the right front wheel made an ungodly racket. It'd had a hardened spot on the rotor for some time so I'd already ordered new rotors and pads. Yesterday I installed. Remember a couple weeks ago I asked about replacing the rotor without pulling the hub? A year or two ago I'd done the bearings on the passenger front and the rotor kept falling off as I tried to set the preload. Well yesterday that ^%$@#! rotor wouldn't come off for love nor money. I had to pull the hub and balance it on two 2x4s and beat the hub out of the rotor. On that side the pads fell out of the caliper when I pulled it, neither had any friction material to speak of. On the other side one of the big bolts that holds the caliper on would NOT come off. I resorted to the heat wrench which is hard because the small bolts have a little rubber bellows thing on them, I didn't realize at the time I could take rubber bellows thing off. On that side the pads were fine... I *think* when I did the bearing I got grease on the rotor which created the hardspot and ruined the pads. So it goes. Rusty sent me ceramic pads, I don't remember what brand he said they were but they were in a Textar box. Apparently Akebono doesn't have an application for a 190D. The rotors he sent (I spec'd the cheap PBR ones which I had used on my '83 240D with success) are very nice and thick. They weigh about twice the ones I took off and are marked Made in Germany on the rim. My wife is VERY pleased with the new brakes and much more confident in the car and my abilities. The latter is of course a nice feeling. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Very nice. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: My wife reported that the brakes in the 190D made a noise and then got quiet and it scared her. Apparently her definition of quiet and mine aren't the same because when I tried it the right front wheel made an ungodly racket. It'd had a hardened spot on the rotor for some time so I'd already ordered new rotors and pads. Yesterday I installed. Remember a couple weeks ago I asked about replacing the rotor without pulling the hub? A year or two ago I'd done the bearings on the passenger front and the rotor kept falling off as I tried to set the preload. Well yesterday that ^%$@#! rotor wouldn't come off for love nor money. I had to pull the hub and balance it on two 2x4s and beat the hub out of the rotor. On that side the pads fell out of the caliper when I pulled it, neither had any friction material to speak of. On the other side one of the big bolts that holds the caliper on would NOT come off. I resorted to the heat wrench which is hard because the small bolts have a little rubber bellows thing on them, I didn't realize at the time I could take rubber bellows thing off. On that side the pads were fine... I *think* when I did the bearing I got grease on the rotor which created the hardspot and ruined the pads. So it goes. Rusty sent me ceramic pads, I don't remember what brand he said they were but they were in a Textar box. Apparently Akebono doesn't have an application for a 190D. The rotors he sent (I spec'd the cheap PBR ones which I had used on my '83 240D with success) are very nice and thick. They weigh about twice the ones I took off and are marked Made in Germany on the rim. My wife is VERY pleased with the new brakes and much more confident in the car and my abilities. The latter is of course a nice feeling. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Good for you! It is nice when a job goes as planned, even with the heat wrench that was added to the original plan. I will leave the Attaboy for Wilton, as it is his name brand. My wife reported that the brakes in the 190D made a noise and then got quiet and it scared her. Apparently her definition of quiet and mine aren't the same because when I tried it the right front wheel made an ungodly racket. It'd had a hardened spot on the rotor for some time so I'd already ordered new rotors and pads. Yesterday I installed. Remember a couple weeks ago I asked about replacing the rotor without pulling the hub? A year or two ago I'd done the bearings on the passenger front and the rotor kept falling off as I tried to set the preload. Well yesterday that ^%$@#! rotor wouldn't come off for love nor money. I had to pull the hub and balance it on two 2x4s and beat the hub out of the rotor. On that side the pads fell out of the caliper when I pulled it, neither had any friction material to speak of. On the other side one of the big bolts that holds the caliper on would NOT come off. I resorted to the heat wrench which is hard because the small bolts have a little rubber bellows thing on them, I didn't realize at the time I could take rubber bellows thing off. On that side the pads were fine... I *think* when I did the bearing I got grease on the rotor which created the hardspot and ruined the pads. So it goes. Rusty sent me ceramic pads, I don't remember what brand he said they were but they were in a Textar box. Apparently Akebono doesn't have an application for a 190D. The rotors he sent (I spec'd the cheap PBR ones which I had used on my '83 240D with success) are very nice and thick. They weigh about twice the ones I took off and are marked Made in Germany on the rim. My wife is VERY pleased with the new brakes and much more confident in the car and my abilities. The latter is of course a nice feeling. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
We'll hit 11 at the end of this month. -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:24:59 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Message-ID: 7423B264383D4996A4A0B84C0DC1E572@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Yep, those of us with SWMBO's are still in training - 59 1/2 years for me. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Others may use it - after all, how'm I ever gonna get one, otherwise. BTW, how many ATTABOYs does it take to clear away one Alpha Sierra; conversely, how many Alpha Sierras does it take to wipe out 10,000 ATTABOYs? Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Good for you! It is nice when a job goes as planned, even with the heat wrench that was added to the original plan. I will leave the Attaboy for Wilton, as it is his name brand. My wife reported that the brakes in the 190D made a noise and then got quiet and it scared her. Apparently her definition of quiet and mine aren't the same because when I tried it the right front wheel made an ungodly racket. It'd had a hardened spot on the rotor for some time so I'd already ordered new rotors and pads. Yesterday I installed. Remember a couple weeks ago I asked about replacing the rotor without pulling the hub? A year or two ago I'd done the bearings on the passenger front and the rotor kept falling off as I tried to set the preload. Well yesterday that ^%$@#! rotor wouldn't come off for love nor money. I had to pull the hub and balance it on two 2x4s and beat the hub out of the rotor. On that side the pads fell out of the caliper when I pulled it, neither had any friction material to speak of. On the other side one of the big bolts that holds the caliper on would NOT come off. I resorted to the heat wrench which is hard because the small bolts have a little rubber bellows thing on them, I didn't realize at the time I could take rubber bellows thing off. On that side the pads were fine... I *think* when I did the bearing I got grease on the rotor which created the hardspot and ruined the pads. So it goes. Rusty sent me ceramic pads, I don't remember what brand he said they were but they were in a Textar box. Apparently Akebono doesn't have an application for a 190D. The rotors he sent (I spec'd the cheap PBR ones which I had used on my '83 240D with success) are very nice and thick. They weigh about twice the ones I took off and are marked Made in Germany on the rim. My wife is VERY pleased with the new brakes and much more confident in the car and my abilities. The latter is of course a nice feeling. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Nice. Congrats. Toni and I just celebrated 11 years together the 30th of Aug. How she has put up with me for this long I will probably never know Mike On Sep 10, 2012 4:32 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: We'll hit 11 at the end of this month. -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:24:59 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Message-ID: 7423B264383D4996A4A0B84C0DC1E572@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Yep, those of us with SWMBO's are still in training - 59 1/2 years for me. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
OK, what's Alpha Sierra, and why would somebody name their company that? http://www.alphasierragroup.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Well, if this is going where I think then one Alpha Sierra will wipe out years worth of attaboys and no amount of attaboys will ever wipe out a whole Alpha Sierra. Did I get that right? Mike On Sep 10, 2012 4:38 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Others may use it - after all, how'm I ever gonna get one, otherwise. BTW, how many ATTABOYs does it take to clear away one Alpha Sierra; conversely, how many Alpha Sierras does it take to wipe out 10,000 ATTABOYs? Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Good for you! It is nice when a job goes as planned, even with the heat wrench that was added to the original plan. I will leave the Attaboy for Wilton, as it is his name brand. My wife reported that the brakes in the 190D made a noise and then got quiet and it scared her. Apparently her definition of quiet and mine aren't the same because when I tried it the right front wheel made an ungodly racket. It'd had a hardened spot on the rotor for some time so I'd already ordered new rotors and pads. Yesterday I installed. Remember a couple weeks ago I asked about replacing the rotor without pulling the hub? A year or two ago I'd done the bearings on the passenger front and the rotor kept falling off as I tried to set the preload. Well yesterday that ^%$@#! rotor wouldn't come off for love nor money. I had to pull the hub and balance it on two 2x4s and beat the hub out of the rotor. On that side the pads fell out of the caliper when I pulled it, neither had any friction material to speak of. On the other side one of the big bolts that holds the caliper on would NOT come off. I resorted to the heat wrench which is hard because the small bolts have a little rubber bellows thing on them, I didn't realize at the time I could take rubber bellows thing off. On that side the pads were fine... I *think* when I did the bearing I got grease on the rotor which created the hardspot and ruined the pads. So it goes. Rusty sent me ceramic pads, I don't remember what brand he said they were but they were in a Textar box. Apparently Akebono doesn't have an application for a 190D. The rotors he sent (I spec'd the cheap PBR ones which I had used on my '83 240D with success) are very nice and thick. They weigh about twice the ones I took off and are marked Made in Germany on the rim. My wife is VERY pleased with the new brakes and much more confident in the car and my abilities. The latter is of course a nice feeling. -Curt __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
THAT is funny, a businesses that will get no offers from anyone with military experience. Alpha sierra is aw s##t, usually followed by many and more colorful expressions. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: OK, what's Alpha Sierra, and why would somebody name their company that? http://www.alphasierragroup.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
On the other side one of the big bolts that holds the caliper on would NOT come off. I resorted to the heat wrench On my 123s and 126s I've had to resort to a jack under the end of the wrench, using the weight of the car to apply force. That has worked well. I think those bolts are heat-treated alloy, I wonder if the blue wrench might weaken them. MB recommends new bolts when replacing these, and it might be a good idea if heat is applied. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 12:16 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] 190D brakes My wife reported that the brakes in the 190D made a noise and then got quiet and it scared her. Apparently her definition of quiet and mine aren't the same because when I tried it the right front wheel made an ungodly racket. It'd had a hardened spot on the rotor for some time so I'd already ordered new rotors and pads. Yesterday I installed. Remember a couple weeks ago I asked about replacing the rotor without pulling the hub? A year or two ago I'd done the bearings on the passenger front and the rotor kept falling off as I tried to set the preload. Well yesterday that ^%$@#! rotor wouldn't come off for love nor money. I had to pull the hub and balance it on two 2x4s and beat the hub out of the rotor. On that side the pads fell out of the caliper when I pulled it, neither had any friction material to speak of. On the other side one of the big bolts that holds the caliper on would NOT come off. I resorted to the heat wrench which is hard because the small bolts have a little rubber bellows thing on them, I didn't realize at the time I could take rubber bellows thing off. On that side the pads were fine... I *think* when I did the bearing I got grease on the rotor which created the hardspot and ruined the pads. So it goes. Rusty sent me ceramic pads, I don't remember what brand he said they were but they were in a Textar box. Apparently Akebono doesn't have an application for a 190D. The rotors he sent (I spec'd the cheap PBR ones which I had used on my '83 240D with success) are very nice and thick. They weigh about twice the ones I took off and are marked Made in Germany on the rim. My wife is VERY pleased with the new brakes and much more confident in the car and my abilities. The latter is of course a nice feeling. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
On 10/09/2012 4:26 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: On the other side one of the big bolts that holds the caliper on would NOT come off. I resorted to the heat wrench On my 123s and 126s I've had to resort to a jack under the end of the wrench, using the weight of the car to apply force. That has worked well. I think those bolts are heat-treated alloy, I wonder if the blue wrench might weaken them. MB recommends new bolts when replacing these, and it might be a good idea if heat is applied. Greg Y'all need a better impact wrench. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
With the exception of Wilton, you are all amateurs so far. Barbara and I have been married 39 years so far. Not sure how much longer though as she is becoming upset with my snoring. Randy On 10/09/2012 3:48 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Nice. Congrats. Toni and I just celebrated 11 years together the 30th of Aug. How she has put up with me for this long I will probably never know Mike On Sep 10, 2012 4:32 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: We'll hit 11 at the end of this month. -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:24:59 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Message-ID: 7423B264383D4996A4A0B84C0DC1E572@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Yep, those of us with SWMBO's are still in training - 59 1/2 years for me. Wilton ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Alpha Sierra - Ah S*** Evidently, they've never been around Air Force aircrewmen. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes OK, what's Alpha Sierra, and why would somebody name their company that? http://www.alphasierragroup.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Yep, that's about it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Well, if this is going where I think then one Alpha Sierra will wipe out years worth of attaboys and no amount of attaboys will ever wipe out a whole Alpha Sierra. Did I get that right? Mike On Sep 10, 2012 4:38 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Others may use it - after all, how'm I ever gonna get one, otherwise. BTW, how many ATTABOYs does it take to clear away one Alpha Sierra; conversely, how many Alpha Sierras does it take to wipe out 10,000 ATTABOYs? Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Good for you! It is nice when a job goes as planned, even with the heat wrench that was added to the original plan. I will leave the Attaboy for Wilton, as it is his name brand. My wife reported that the brakes in the 190D made a noise and then got quiet and it scared her. Apparently her definition of quiet and mine aren't the same because when I tried it the right front wheel made an ungodly racket. It'd had a hardened spot on the rotor for some time so I'd already ordered new rotors and pads. Yesterday I installed. Remember a couple weeks ago I asked about replacing the rotor without pulling the hub? A year or two ago I'd done the bearings on the passenger front and the rotor kept falling off as I tried to set the preload. Well yesterday that ^%$@#! rotor wouldn't come off for love nor money. I had to pull the hub and balance it on two 2x4s and beat the hub out of the rotor. On that side the pads fell out of the caliper when I pulled it, neither had any friction material to speak of. On the other side one of the big bolts that holds the caliper on would NOT come off. I resorted to the heat wrench which is hard because the small bolts have a little rubber bellows thing on them, I didn't realize at the time I could take rubber bellows thing off. On that side the pads were fine... I *think* when I did the bearing I got grease on the rotor which created the hardspot and ruined the pads. So it goes. Rusty sent me ceramic pads, I don't remember what brand he said they were but they were in a Textar box. Apparently Akebono doesn't have an application for a 190D. The rotors he sent (I spec'd the cheap PBR ones which I had used on my '83 240D with success) are very nice and thick. They weigh about twice the ones I took off and are marked Made in Germany on the rim. My wife is VERY pleased with the new brakes and much more confident in the car and my abilities. The latter is of course a nice feeling. -Curt __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Whatever happened to the seven year itch? It was widely accepted that wives/husbands tended to stray after seven years of marriage. I remember it being discussed in the 1930s when I was a child. Since then movies and plays have been written about it. (Marilyn Monroe was in one by that title) and psychologists have addressed the subject. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090429172241.htm Gerry From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com We'll hit 11 at the end of this month. -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:24:59 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Message-ID: 7423B264383D4996A4A0B84C0DC1E572@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Yep, those of us with SWMBO's are still in training - 59 1/2 years for me. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5260 - Release Date: 09/10/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
I've done that on a 123 also but in this case either the wrench was pointed in the wrong direction (needing the jack to pull it down) or was at such an angle because of the strut being in the way that I couldn't make it work. BTW I didn't heat the bolt, I heated the casting the bolt goes into. If you heat the bolt it expands and gets tighter in the hole. When you heat the casting the space gets bigger and the bolt comes out. -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:26:20 -0700 From: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Message-ID: 023701cd8f9a$ed142b70$c73c8250$@net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii On the other side one of the big bolts that holds the caliper on would NOT come off. I resorted to the heat wrench On my 123s and 126s I've had to resort to a jack under the end of the wrench, using the weight of the car to apply force. That has worked well. I think those bolts are heat-treated alloy, I wonder if the blue wrench might weaken them. MB recommends new bolts when replacing these, and it might be a good idea if heat is applied. Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
'Musta whipped right through it without even noticing. I've never strayed. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Whatever happened to the seven year itch? It was widely accepted that wives/husbands tended to stray after seven years of marriage. I remember it being discussed in the 1930s when I was a child. Since then movies and plays have been written about it. (Marilyn Monroe was in one by that title) and psychologists have addressed the subject. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090429172241.htm Gerry From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com We'll hit 11 at the end of this month. -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:24:59 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Message-ID: 7423B264383D4996A4A0B84C0DC1E572@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Yep, those of us with SWMBO's are still in training - 59 1/2 years for me. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5260 - Release Date: 09/10/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
You bet but for this job it would have to be a compact unit and to get those with good power (gotta be 400+ lbs/ft) starts to turn into real money. I also don't really have a big enough compressor. I'd like to get a big 220v unit and mount it in the basement with air piped to the garage so the compressor would always be warm enough to use. SWMBO isn't really enamored if the idea. -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:24:00 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Message-ID: 504e5a70.1060...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 10/09/2012 4:26 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: On the other side one of the big bolts that holds the caliper on would NOT come off. I resorted to the heat wrench On my 123s and 126s I've had to resort to a jack under the end of the wrench, using the weight of the car to apply force. That has worked well. I think those bolts are heat-treated alloy, I wonder if the blue wrench might weaken them. MB recommends new bolts when replacing these, and it might be a good idea if heat is applied. Greg Y'all need a better impact wrench. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Back in the day at 7 years you'd be expected to have a 6 year old right? I can see how that might make somebody want to look around. We've always been too busy having fun. -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 17:36:40 -0400 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Message-ID: 29C9147D5590419BB1A8469FAB4EDD06@PC466116028214 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Whatever happened to the seven year itch? It was widely accepted that wives/husbands tended to stray after seven years of marriage. I remember it being discussed in the 1930s when I was a child. Since then movies and plays have been written about it. (Marilyn Monroe was in one by that title) and psychologists have addressed the subject. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090429172241.htm Gerry From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com We'll hit 11 at the end of this month. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Does not require a huge, fancy compressor to run a high power impact unless you are using it a lot. A small one just requires you wait for it between bursts of power. Mike On Sep 10, 2012 5:45 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You bet but for this job it would have to be a compact unit and to get those with good power (gotta be 400+ lbs/ft) starts to turn into real money. I also don't really have a big enough compressor. I'd like to get a big 220v unit and mount it in the basement with air piped to the garage so the compressor would always be warm enough to use. SWMBO isn't really enamored if the idea. -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:24:00 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Message-ID: 504e5a70.1060...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 10/09/2012 4:26 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: On the other side one of the big bolts that holds the caliper on would NOT come off. I resorted to the heat wrench On my 123s and 126s I've had to resort to a jack under the end of the wrench, using the weight of the car to apply force. That has worked well. I think those bolts are heat-treated alloy, I wonder if the blue wrench might weaken them. MB recommends new bolts when replacing these, and it might be a good idea if heat is applied. Greg Y'all need a better impact wrench. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
I had 36 years this past weekend but I suffer like you Randy, not sure how much longer I can take the elbows to my back for snoring. Rusty Cullens buyMBparts, Inc. 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd. Suite 260 Atlanta, GA 30360 800-741-5252 770-452-7320 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy Bennell Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 5:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes With the exception of Wilton, you are all amateurs so far. Barbara and I have been married 39 years so far. Not sure how much longer though as she is becoming upset with my snoring. Randy On 10/09/2012 3:48 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Nice. Congrats. Toni and I just celebrated 11 years together the 30th of Aug. How she has put up with me for this long I will probably never know Mike On Sep 10, 2012 4:32 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: We'll hit 11 at the end of this month. -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:24:59 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Message-ID: 7423B264383D4996A4A0B84C0DC1E572@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Yep, those of us with SWMBO's are still in training - 59 1/2 years for me. Wilton ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
On 10/09/2012 4:50 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote: I had 36 years this past weekend but I suffer like you Randy, not sure how much longer I can take the elbows to my back for snoring. Rusty Cullens The thing that I really find truly amazing is that I don't hear it. I have sort of woken up and realized I was snoring but when truly sleeping one does not know one is snoring. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Got you beat but way behind Wilton 44 1/4 years here. Russ W. On 9/10/2012 16:25, Randy Bennell wrote: With the exception of Wilton, you are all amateurs so far. Barbara and I have been married 39 years so far. Not sure how much longer though as she is becoming upset with my snoring. Randy On 10/09/2012 3:48 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Nice. Congrats. Toni and I just celebrated 11 years together the 30th of Aug. How she has put up with me for this long I will probably never know Mike On Sep 10, 2012 4:32 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: We'll hit 11 at the end of this month. -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:24:59 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Message-ID: 7423B264383D4996A4A0B84C0DC1E572@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Yep, those of us with SWMBO's are still in training - 59 1/2 years for me. Wilton ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5260 - Release Date: 09/10/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
WILTON wrote: BTW, how many ATTABOYs does it take to clear away one Alpha Sierra; infinite. conversely, how many Alpha Sierras does itL take to wipe out 10,000 ATTABOYs? one. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Max Dillon wrote: Alpha sierra is aw s##t, usually followed by many and more colorful expressions. Or for Red Dwarf fans, Aw smeg! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Yep. Wilton - Original Message - From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes WILTON wrote: BTW, how many ATTABOYs does it take to clear away one Alpha Sierra; infinite. conversely, how many Alpha Sierras does itL take to wipe out 10,000 ATTABOYs? one. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Yeah I've got a little air ratchet I've been through that with. Not fun... -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 17:48:15 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Message-ID: calhj_1dpw5zaykh4osuaswqemh9ax5wq1kbqsdoeuywbrc8...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Does not require a huge, fancy compressor to run a high power impact unless you are using it a lot. A small one just requires you wait for it between bursts of power. Mike On Sep 10, 2012 5:45 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You bet but for this job it would have to be a compact unit and to get those with good power (gotta be 400+ lbs/ft) starts to turn into real money. I also don't really have a big enough compressor. I'd like to get a big 220v unit and mount it in the basement with air piped to the garage so the compressor would always be warm enough to use. SWMBO isn't really enamored if the idea. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Snoring is bad for marriages but good for the twin bed industry. Of course, serious snorers sometimes have to move into the guest room. Once shared a hotel room with a friend. Never before or since have I heard anything like his snoring. Since sleep was no option, even after blocking it with four pillows, I turned on a tape recorder with the idea of playing it for him later. When played the next morning, the transistors had continuously peaked producing nothing but a steady roar. How his wife stood it I'll never know. Gerry On 10/09/2012 4:50 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote: I had 36 years this past weekend but I suffer like you Randy, not sure how much longer I can take the elbows to my back for snoring. Rusty Cullens The thing that I really find truly amazing is that I don't hear it. I have sort of woken up and realized I was snoring but when truly sleeping one does not know one is snoring. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
There are operations for snoring but sometimes they simply change the audio frequency. Wife said my snoring reminded her of a diesel Mercedes idling, but she was probably kidding. How can anyone snore klatta-klatta-klatta? Gerrywho was married for 50 years. On 9/10/2012 16:25, Randy Bennell wrote: With the exception of Wilton, you are all amateurs so far. Barbara and I have been married 39 years so far. Not sure how much longer though as she is becoming upset with my snoring. Randy On 10/09/2012 3:48 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Nice. Congrats. Toni and I just celebrated 11 years together the 30th of Aug. How she has put up with me for this long I will probably never know Mike On Sep 10, 2012 4:32 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: We'll hit 11 at the end of this month. -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:24:59 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Message-ID: 7423B264383D4996A4A0B84C0DC1E572@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Yep, those of us with SWMBO's are still in training - 59 1/2 years for me. Wilton ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5260 - Release Date: 09/10/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5260 - Release Date: 09/10/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Yup, we're still beginners at 37 years - I still learn something about her every week, if not every day :-) On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: With the exception of Wilton, you are all amateurs so far. Barbara and I have been married 39 years so far. Not sure how much longer though as she is becoming upset with my snoring. Randy On 10/09/2012 3:48 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Nice. Congrats. Toni and I just celebrated 11 years together the 30th of Aug. How she has put up with me for this long I will probably never know Mike On Sep 10, 2012 4:32 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: We'll hit 11 at the end of this month. -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:24:59 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Message-ID: **7423B264383D4996A4A0B84C0DC1E5**72@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Yep, those of us with SWMBO's are still in training - 59 1/2 years for me. Wilton __**_ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
OK Don wrote: Yup, we're still beginners at 37 years - I still learn something about her every week, if not every day :-) And... that is why you will make it to 60 years, I posit. Like you, I find this woman interesting from day to day, for 38 years. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Separate bedrooms would be far cheaper than divorce. When the snoring gets too bad at our household, I move to the guest room. Coming up on 14 years of marriage. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: I had 36 years this past weekend but I suffer like you Randy, not sure how much longer I can take the elbows to my back for snoring. Rusty Cullens buyMBparts, Inc. 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd. Suite 260 Atlanta, GA 30360 800-741-5252 770-452-7320 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy Bennell Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 5:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes With the exception of Wilton, you are all amateurs so far. Barbara and I have been married 39 years so far. Not sure how much longer though as she is becoming upset with my snoring. Randy On 10/09/2012 3:48 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Nice. Congrats. Toni and I just celebrated 11 years together the 30th of Aug. How she has put up with me for this long I will probably never know Mike On Sep 10, 2012 4:32 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: We'll hit 11 at the end of this month. -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:24:59 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Message-ID: 7423B264383D4996A4A0B84C0DC1E572@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Yep, those of us with SWMBO's are still in training - 59 1/2 years for me. Wilton ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Once on a church trip, four guys to a room, last guy to arrive hands out ear plugs all around; we needed 'em. I slept ok using the plugs, wouldn't have slept a wink otherwise. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Snoring is bad for marriages but good for the twin bed industry. Of course, serious snorers sometimes have to move into the guest room. Once shared a hotel room with a friend. Never before or since have I heard anything like his snoring. Since sleep was no option, even after blocking it with four pillows, I turned on a tape recorder with the idea of playing it for him later. When played the next morning, the transistors had continuously peaked producing nothing but a steady roar. How his wife stood it I'll never know. Gerry On 10/09/2012 4:50 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote: I had 36 years this past weekend but I suffer like you Randy, not sure how much longer I can take the elbows to my back for snoring. Rusty Cullens The thing that I really find truly amazing is that I don't hear it. I have sort of woken up and realized I was snoring but when truly sleeping one does not know one is snoring. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Alles. My wife snores, I mean SNORES. I find it comforting, somehow. Joanne says that I buzz, unless ill, then I buzz a bit louder. The only time that her snoring wakes me, is, if it is accompanied by the I'm lying on my back and almost choking, very loud and then very quiet, wakes me right up. 27.5 years (this time) and still going strong because she is still as cute as ever. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Separate bedrooms would be far cheaper than divorce. When the snoring gets too bad at our household, I move to the guest room. Coming up on 14 years of marriage. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: I had 36 years this past weekend but I suffer like you Randy, not sure how much longer I can take the elbows to my back for snoring. Rusty Cullens buyMBparts, Inc. 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd. Suite 260 Atlanta, GA 30360 800-741-5252 770-452-7320 With the exception of Wilton, you are all amateurs so far. Barbara and I have been married 39 years so far. Not sure how much longer though as she is becoming upset with my snoring. Randy On 10/09/2012 3:48 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Nice. Congrats. Toni and I just celebrated 11 years together the 30th of Aug. How she has put up with me for this long I will probably never know Mike On Sep 10, 2012 4:32 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: We'll hit 11 at the end of this month. -Curt Yep, those of us with SWMBO's are still in training - 59 1/2 years for me. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Y'all need a better impact wrench. Randy Glad to see that y'all Southern Canadians speak correspondingly with Southerners in the US of A! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Max Dillon wrote: Alpha sierra is aw s##t, usually followed by many and more colorful expressions. Or for Red Dwarf fans, Aw smeg! -- Philip Not much left on PBS here. they took off Red Dwarf, they took off Dr. Who, now they took off Red Green. That is heresy... Only Sat night britcoms, and most of those I have seen before. IPBN kept gas in the possum van for a lot of years. Now they dump him. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
While in Greenland in '78 Col. Base Commander and I flew with Danish Air Force crew on their C-130H into the far-south Greenland air field/village of Narsassuaq. Checking into the hotel there, I was shocked by price of the lodging and obviously showed it. Colonel eased up beside me and whispered in my ear, Wilt, I'll 'let' you share a room with me if you'll promise me you don't snore. I replied, Indeed, I don't. That night, with each of us snug in our twin beds, the room began to shake and shudder as he got into some absolutely first class, gold medal, champion snoring. I was up and down all night kicking his bed post to try to make him stop for a few minutes so I could doze off for a bit - very little sleep that night for me. Next morning, I said to 'im, Damn/doggone your time, please don't ever 'let' me share a room with you again. He grinned and said, What? Did I snore? I don't snore, do I? Wilton - Original Message - From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes Snoring is bad for marriages but good for the twin bed industry. Of course, serious snorers sometimes have to move into the guest room. Once shared a hotel room with a friend. Never before or since have I heard anything like his snoring. Since sleep was no option, even after blocking it with four pillows, I turned on a tape recorder with the idea of playing it for him later. When played the next morning, the transistors had continuously peaked producing nothing but a steady roar. How his wife stood it I'll never know. Gerry On 10/09/2012 4:50 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote: I had 36 years this past weekend but I suffer like you Randy, not sure how much longer I can take the elbows to my back for snoring. Rusty Cullens The thing that I really find truly amazing is that I don't hear it. I have sort of woken up and realized I was snoring but when truly sleeping one does not know one is snoring. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes NOT Snoring
One summer I worked in Virginia, found a room in a house with one guy who owned it, and one other room was vacant at the time. The owner, a fairly young guy, was a realtor. He was out evenings until whenever, then his brother and various other people would come over to the house to have a few pops and other things before going out to a private club where they would party until 2 or 3 or whenever. I had to get up at like 6AM so usually by 10-10:30 I was trying to get some sleep, usually slept with my aircraft lineman noise foes on to get any sleep.. I have seared, seared into my mind, Dr. John singing I was in the right place but it must have been the wrong time... as that was usually the last album they would put on the stereo, then forget to turn it off when they left, so that it just kept playing over and over and over I still like the song lo these many years later, but I sometimes wonder if snoring or that song is worse to listen to all night long. --R On 9/10/12 8:23 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Once on a church trip, four guys to a room, last guy to arrive hands out ear plugs all around; we needed 'em. I slept ok using the plugs, wouldn't have slept a wink otherwise. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
